skeptics cant prove anything, this is a real bigfoot, no doubt about it,sasquatch is real, basicly the only thing we dont have is a body, and that can be easilly explained, basicly: it is not just something u find laying around, really for any animal
@storminator1969 I'm just a guy who's curious about bigfoot, not here to judge you or anything. If you have a story to tell, which I'm sure you would want to talk about, I'd actually like to hear what happened. If not, I understand and sorry to bother you.
Two best pieces of bigfootage remain the PGF and the Marble Mountain video, they're not the only genuine ones but they're the best ones still. They actually caught the real deal on film/video, real BFs. In the mid-1950s Albert Ostman, the guy snatched from his 1924 prospecting camp, already described his kidnapping BF family as a type of humans. Just like the old Indian guide initially setting him on his way also said. The detailed descriptions of them match both the PGF female and the MM male.
The "skeletal overlay" is silly. Why didn't they do a "skeletal overlay" of a big guy like Bob Hieronimous wearing bulky football shoulder-pads and a heavy fake gorilla suit? Like someone else remarked, try walking normally in over-sized clown shoes... of course they make you adjust your leg & knee motion and set your foot down in an oddly flat way, otherwise you'd trip and fall on your face.
nisey's quite a naive geek, isn't he. Like every other geeky Bigfoot denier out there, utterly oblivion and indifferent to Patty's proportions and height positively stating she's too tall and wide to have silly things like football pads, extended arms or floppy feet. lol Too muscular for one thing, torso too long, etc. Love the ignorance of the deliberate blinders, it's bliss to read such troll nonsense and know it can't be done.
You're babblin' again, komododiot. That makes dodge #869. You said that Ken Peterson was a costume expert, and then never backed your statement up. Still waiting. You also said that I wanted a recreation. Show me where. If anyone is the geek, it's you, lol. ;)
@eminboztepe Never said that and nobody cares, least of all me. Only kindly gonna show you your teeth on the floor, bitch... That's all we're ever gonna show you eminaidiot, & nuthin' else. lol
So, when a guy portays godzilla in any godzilla film, is he trying to walk like a human, or how a dinosaur might walk? This is just SO stupid! Who analzyes a film like this, and doesn't realize that the guy might actually be trying to dehumanize his gait to fit the notion of how a bigfoot might walk? Throw in costume girth, the football shoulder pads, the extended arms, it's obvious, he won't walk too much like a human, OH, and the big floppy feet.
@19nisey69 I think the experiment is simply going in other direction: to prove if a human actor can recreate the purported gait of the Patterson-Gimlin creature...in order to get some clues to find out if the movie is actually a man on a suit.
Sorry for laughing Norma, but U got that way wrong. Patty's hair's by no means uniform, it's anything but & the complete opposite. It's spotty & showing her skin underneath, otherwise we'd not see the muscle movement most folks notice very clearly. Had it been a suit, it would have been uniform as U say, cos that's how all suits were in the past. Indeed still 20 years later with Harry Henderson & more or less today. 2001's caveape looked like a suit. BFs are hairy, doesn't mean they're animals.
Guess this analysis doesn't consider someone trying to fake it..frankly a large male in a suit would fit ok....anyone remember 2001 space odyssey...not that hard to fake behavior..also primates do NOT have hair in the same uniform manner...primates have hair up/down etc..the Patterson film shows uniform hair which is very unnatural for any wild animal...typical of a suit.
CameFrombeyond most likely wouldn't make it back home, he'd no doubt be rendered a headless lump himself before he knew what hit him, that's why killing a BF hasn't succeeded. So far. There's often more than one being around, so your ass is grass if you try or even think they'll stand for it. Besides, you simply don't shoot at anything bipedal. First rule of hunting, you break that one and lawyers will find a way you're headed for jail big time, especially if the species is more human than ape.
Yeah. BobH is old now so he simply doesn't care that he's just telling tall tales, he's got no clue about Sasquatch and figured why the hell not, thinking we're not going to find a Bigfoot anyway soon to prove him wrong. Most six-packs out there think that way, blissfully unaware and indifferent, that's why there's never been a BF expedition from the highest order under way. The US national authorities may already know, but figure why rock the boat as long as there's no greater public demand.
I'm still uncertain with all this stuff, but... when there are hairsamples found in North America that are scientifically proven being from an unknown primate and not from known animals from that habitat AND the Patterson/Gimlin film showing a proposed outstandingly tall man in a suit that must have been made in the future back then to copy and imitate all that biological specifics that makes it stand broadly apart from the possibilies of a suit actor of that time... WHAT is on this film then?
I live in Carson Washington {Skamania county}. Have lived here off and on my whole life. Am hunter, fisherman, outdoorsman. Have seen fresh bigfoot tracks in the snow going up VERY steep terrain. No way they were faked....someone would have had to have been on stilts to make the stride of the tracks left. So someone is faking tracks on stilts going up STEEP grades in rough terrain, going over stuff I would have difficulty going over?....I dont think so....Have never seen bigfoot, but he EXISTS!
@XBattleDude proving what made the tracks has always been in contention. Even though the dermal ridges are primate (running laterally along the foot and not diagnally as humans do). How many hoaxers would have known this and then incorporated each individual line into thier casts including scar tissues. So do we believe there is a secret society of hoaxers making false prints in the thousands all across north america. Or do we accept the possibility of an unknown large primate.
Don't care if it's illegal to kill a bigfoot. I'll put 3 slugs in it's fat ass with my 50 cal. desert eagle. Drag it to my house and sell tickets to look at it. No unknown creature on this planet is protected legally.
@CameFrombeyond In response to your "I dont care if its illegal to shoot one... no unknown animal is protected legally" comment I have this as a reply.
In 1969 an ordinance in Skamania County, Washington was passed stating "No injury of any kind - including shooting - should be inflicted on Bigfoot (if it exists)"
fyi
or·di·nance (noun)
A piece of legislation enacted by a municipal authority.
It would also probably be illegal to kill a human that changes into a werewolf. Does that make werewolves real too? You really think the corp of engineers has anything to do with identification of new species? How desperate are you? 1975? Pathetic.
The Army Corp of Engineers in 1975 added Sasquatch to their "Environmental Atlas"
also in Skamania county Washington it is illegal to kill a Bigfoot. So that right there is a form of evidence. I could go into the audio recording analysis that has been done but your little brain couldn't deal with that.
Another bigfooter running away to avoid the embarrassing lack of evidence to support his claims. Go look for bigfoot tracks and report back to us. Haha.
No I didn't say any were real. Krantz said the majority of prints he had see were fake so therefore he was saying a few were real. I'm saying NONE are real because bigfoot doesn't exist. All prints attributed to bigfoot are fakes,or bear tracks or even human tracks.
Tracks can be faked and have been since the 1950s--worthless. As for the claims of eyewitness sightings--people have claimed to have seen werewolves,vampires,fairies etc. Anything that someone claims to see becomes real?that's Bigfooter logic -it has no scientific validity.
Dr. Melba Ketchum update: I thought we would be finished in a few weeks, but instead, Sasquatch threw us curve balls even with their DNA which can be as elusive as they are.We are past that! As a result, we have assembled a renowned team, each of us with our own specialties to make this project "extraordinary".If everyone will hang in there, I promise it will be worth the wait. We have the proof, now just give us the opportunity to present it in a form that will even convince skeptics.
You guys act like there's tracks and sightings by the thousands requiring an "army" of hoaxers. There aren't that many tracks found.when they are found some conman like moneymaker just happens to be nearby. Krantz dismissed the huge majority as fake anyway.
The hoaxers would have to communicate together over generations and have the time, energy, intelligence, patience, money, and skills to provide tracks with the various aspect ratios (width to lengths, toe length to foot size, etc, etc) and size distributions that fit a natural living population as described in sasquatch legend meets science part 5 of 5. That in itself is very X 143,564 unlikely, not with the consistencies and amount of data- which includes juvenile prints, too.
Bigfoot tracks ARE not being found all over the place. They seem to always pop up when meldrum or biscardi or moneymaker or some other con man who makes money off the bigfoot myth is in the area. Funny how that works aint it?
Like grover krantz said the huge majority of tracks he had seen were FAKE.ie human made. There's never been one track found in the USA has having been verified coming from a giant biped primate. Not one.
"Where are all the plaster casts coming from"? How many are being found? Not many. You act as tho they are all over the place. Grover krantz ,the godfather of bigfoot research,said near the end of his life that the huge majority of print casts he had see were fake. Impressions in mud,by the way, are NOT scientific evidence anyway. Find a specimen otherwise your full of scat.
There's not one speck of scientific evidence for a giant primate living in north america. Let me say it again---theres not one speck of scientific evidence that points to a giant unknown primate living in north america.
@seymourbbest That is a truly insane statement. There is alot of evidence that says its real, but you wont even look at it because you are an egotistical blockhead unwilling to learn anything.
If this creature exists still today then we don't need the Patterson film...the film is so limited and grainy even with the enhancements that is is like looking at clouds..everyone can read into it what they want to see and the nay sayers can prove their disagreement...but this shouldn't be the basis..if that is all we really have than I am willing to believe it is a present myth..a creature perhaps seen years ago and ready into history and later myth but a truth origin.
"Confessor" Bob Hieronimous.In January, 2001, he was quoted as saying "These Bigfoot people are making money off it. Well, I should be gettin' a little cut of that, see. I'm gettin' nuthin'."
Dmitri Donskoy, D.W. Grieve were both impressed by the film. I'm sure you have no idea who they are. I have heard very few serious researchers say it was a hoax and it doesn't even matter because I'm sure they are going to be proven to be real in the next few years anyway.
Krantz said either the creature in the PGF is fake or the prints patterson claimed it left are fake due to size and shape difference. Of course they're both fake. More and more people consider the pGF real? No even only a few bigfoot nerds still consider it real. Meldrum still says its real,other than him name me someone who still thinks its real.
Near the end of his career krantz said the huge majority of prints he had examined were fake. Calling me names doesn't change that. Meldrum on a discovery channel show also said he had seen hoaxed prints. Even if you believe in bigfoot you can't deny that people fake prints.
@seymourbbest In your comment you tried to claim the "Patty " casts are fake. That is an outright lie. Nobody other than you and your BS friends has ever claimed they were faked. You must be getting real desperate because the more that whole incident is studied the more obvious it is that it was a real animal on that film.
For one thing, I've always questioned the 'angle' of the cameraman to the 'walker' ... which suddenly changes from approx 35 degree angle (from path 'walker' took) to approx. 15 degree angle, which occurs at 0:42 in the original footage. You can also notice the large tree trunk at bottom right suddenly disappear as additional evidence.
I enjoyed these clips immensely. There was ALOT of time, effort, and capital put into making this film, 'The Truth Series' == However, despite all of the analytical data, subjective and objective information, quantitative and qualitative descriptions -- I always was under the assumption that along with a 'compliant gait' that their footprints made a linear pattern, not a staggered human pattern. In other words, one foot lands directly in FRONT of the other - ??
I don't dismiss the theory that this species does exist out of hand? But I am a bit of skeptic, so I'd like to see one just once to confirm it myself. That said, if they are real? I almost hope proof of their existence is never found. Because if it is, rest assured that man will be out hunting them to the brink of extension. Which would be a real shame. Because they're obviously a smart enough species that they've gone to great length's to try and avoid the human species.
@longfootbuddy, Boy ain't that the truth!! To supposedly be the smartest mammals on the planet, human beings sure have the ability at times to look like the most ignorant. LOL.
Even Pattersons friend ,bernard krantz bigfoot searcher,admitted he knew patterson faked prints. Krantz said either the pgf was fake or the prints patterson claimed it left were fake. Of course the real answer,he chose to omit,was they were BoTH fake.
@seymourbbest You are the biggest liar i've ever come across. Dr. Grover Krantz and Dr. Jeffery Meldrum have studied those casts, along with every other notable researcher and none of them have ever said they were fake.And they have NO reason to cover for them so stop spreading your insane lies and outright bullcrap.
The deniers love to ignore how this figure can't even be 6ft, and thus not BobH or any other geezer, simply because we see her legs in full. There's no padding her legs, they're in perfect view, so with a top body much longer than the bottom - and more importantly - longer than BobH's torso how can it be his height, when her arms are also swinging naturally from up there on too broad shoulders, plus head moving too. Easy; it can't be. So 6ft it's not, more like the 7ft Bill Munns arrived at.
One frame shows a clean shaven Roger pouring the plaster for the Patty casts. Then it is claimed that 90 minutes later he is holding the casts. Wow, he grew a full beard in 90 minutes! And the plaster is suddenly gone that he spilled on his jeans. But no big deal, right, believers? Roger's famous "Ape Canyon" photo was taken across the street from his house, not at Ape Canyon, according To Jerry Merritt's sister and niece. So Roger was lying again. No biggie again, right believers?
@eminboztepe Or, he didn't bother to mention all of the places he had gone that did NOT have tracks. Just like a person addicted to gambling or slot machines. Seem to hear alot about "I won 200.00 yesterday, and 600.00 last week, 1200.00 three weeks ago. -- Average person would think, "man, they are really raking it in!" -- Then you realize that all of the OTHER days NOT mentioned they lost their ass. Same concept , ? maybe.
And why did Roger and Bob lie about when the film was shot? The Patty cakes ignore that too. Why is it still a mystery where the film was developed? Irrelevant, right? Why is the film edited? Even John Green's copy has some frames flipped. No big deal, right? Why was no one allowed to the original negative. I mean, no one can find it today. Conveniently lost by Ron Olson. No biggie, though, right believers?
This is how cons work, kids. Accept what they give you and ask no questions.
The PGF is a man in a suit. Very obvious. Funny how this "bigfoot" filmed in the 60's looks like....a man in a 60's costume!
What's really funny is that the bigfoot geeks totally disregard Al DeAtley's confession. And yes, he acknowledges that Bob Heironimus asked him about his $1000.
But nah, Al DeAtley is lying, right, guys? Just for the hell of it? LOL
@eminboztepe You are one big bag of horse manure. Why are you always coming up with more bull. How could one man have so much scamming and deception going on in his life. Maybe because its more like you are ?
More lies joey? Heironimus took and passed his first poly in 1975. Gimlin also refused to go out and promote the film because patterson ripped him off. Patterson would appear at events with a guy pretending to be gimlin. Now there's a great guy---roger patterson---died owing even gimlin money.
What a swell chap this Bob Heronimus is...I mean Patterson screwed him out of his thousand bucks for wearing the suit, THEN Patterson goes on to make even MORE money and notoriety from the hoax...and all the while Bob H. remains silent...decade after decade after decade...what a swell fella!! .
Joey, it'll be BobH's turn to make a real confession on his own deathbed, you can believe that...no more lies...since he clearly wasn't Patty (physically/technically impossible) he should have no interest in being remembered as a hairy tit suitman when it wasn't him... Let's see how much pride he has come that fateful day.
Digg---gimlin has already admitted in a BBC interview a few years back that it was possible Patterson had hoax him too. Of course that's only partially true because gimlin knew there was a man in the suit all along. Gimlin isn't quite ready to give up the truth but since these bigfoot conventions have played out he might be close to admitting to the hoax. But even if he never does Bob Heironimus has proved the hoax.
Gimlin is an old man now. Elderly men often get twitchy when confronted with the prospect of their own mortality, especially when it stands to effect their reputation. If Gimlin genuinely believes that PGF is real then he'll go to his grave insisting just that. However, if he has any doubts he'll likely voice them 'cos he won't want to risk exposure after his death as a liar in this business. If he is holding out after all these years ...I reckon he'll come clean while he still has the chance.
Funny how Patterson himself never got 'twitchy' when confronting HIS own mortality...considering he was on his DEATH BED in 1972 insisting that the film was authentic...I guess he was willing to "risk exposure after his death as a liar in this business" Quite a risk, considering that he screwed Bob H. outta his money, and at ANY time Heronimus could've come forward...why didn't Patterson 'come clean while he still had the chance', knowing that Bob H. only had to say one word?
@joeyvader: Patterson was still a young man when he died. PGF was still making a little money for his wife and the clip just didn't have the notoriety then that it has now. Nobody was passionately defending or de-bunking. RP couldn't have imagined the digital attempts to dissect PGF in the minutest detail we have now? Impossible to see through all the claims & counter claims, PGF is almost bigger than Bigfoot now in some ways? I wonder what RP would think if he could see these arguments on YT?
If Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin really did fake this film? I give them huge prop's. Because they were able to shoot it at a time when there was very little in the way of technology that was advanced. Yet even with today's most modern and advanced technology, the film still cannot be confirmed or denied as being authentic.
@GBeret83 Patterson was an artist and inventor. The people who knew him called him a con-arist. Plus he never apid for the camera rental of the 16mm camera and the shop called the law.
@WaybackMachine1, I had seen in a documentary about the Patterson-Gimlin film once that Patterson either held or had applied for several different patents for thing's he invented or was trying to invent during his lifetime.
I find it hard to believe that the people who made the video had the knowledge to make the creature move in that manner so fluently,little was known back then,and the suit was never produced,nor was the video ever duplicated by anybody including a movie production company unlimited materials at their disposal.
The suit imposes restrictions on locomotion and visibility forcing the actor to abide by these restrictions. Thus the head and shoulders move simultaneously not due to the head being so far forward as some have claimed but rather due to a lack of peripheral vision imposed by the "helmet" .
@Kirlian196 Your opinion,my opinion is the footage is real,its way too consistant,you can see muscle under the fur,the porportions of the limbs and body are not human if you ask me.
@DaAlphaOmega: Of course.....however I think you are forgetting the scientific principle. Only a body (skin and bones) will satisfy the requirements to finally prove it one way or another. Patterson had a LONG history of fraud ...that doesn't help matters. Even Gimlin admitted Patterson may have duped him. He refused to respond to assertions that the film was a hoax. Odd behavior.
Morris didn't make the suit. Morris made cheapie Halloween costumes. The suit in the PGF came from Hollywood. Wah Chang, Janos Prohaska, and John Chambers were the men responsible.
@eminboztepe There sure are alot of people you've implicated in this supposed "suit " theory. But yet 44 years later and no proof it ever was a suit, and thats because there never was a suit. If you knew anything about science you would clearly see that what you are looking at is a real animal and not some patchwork joke like your insane buddy Blevins.
Skeptics don't have to prove anything. The burden of proof is on you believers.
BigHoaxFoot 3 hours ago
skeptics cant prove anything, this is a real bigfoot, no doubt about it,sasquatch is real, basicly the only thing we dont have is a body, and that can be easilly explained, basicly: it is not just something u find laying around, really for any animal
jjjones64 9 hours ago
IF THE PATTERSON TAPE WAS FAKE WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY GO SO FAR AS GIVING THE BIGFOOT TITS?
storminator1969 1 day ago
I HAVE SEEN ONE THEY ARE OUT THERE,PATTERSON TOOK AND PASSED A LIE DETECTOR TEST,WHY DID GIMLIN NEVER TAKE ONE?
storminator1969 1 day ago
@storminator1969 You've seen a bigfoot?
electricwagster 1 day ago
@electricwagster YES.
storminator1969 1 day ago
@storminator1969 Can you message me the details please?
electricwagster 1 day ago
@electricwagster WHY WHO ARE YOU?
storminator1969 7 hours ago
@storminator1969 I'm just a guy who's curious about bigfoot, not here to judge you or anything. If you have a story to tell, which I'm sure you would want to talk about, I'd actually like to hear what happened. If not, I understand and sorry to bother you.
electricwagster 6 hours ago
@electricwagster SEND ME A NAME AND E MAIL ADDRESS....
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Two best pieces of bigfootage remain the PGF and the Marble Mountain video, they're not the only genuine ones but they're the best ones still. They actually caught the real deal on film/video, real BFs. In the mid-1950s Albert Ostman, the guy snatched from his 1924 prospecting camp, already described his kidnapping BF family as a type of humans. Just like the old Indian guide initially setting him on his way also said. The detailed descriptions of them match both the PGF female and the MM male.
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The "skeletal overlay" is silly. Why didn't they do a "skeletal overlay" of a big guy like Bob Hieronimous wearing bulky football shoulder-pads and a heavy fake gorilla suit? Like someone else remarked, try walking normally in over-sized clown shoes... of course they make you adjust your leg & knee motion and set your foot down in an oddly flat way, otherwise you'd trip and fall on your face.
ROCKSLIDZ 2 weeks ago 2
i dont know what to believe i just have to know!
snrub99 2 weeks ago
nisey's quite a naive geek, isn't he. Like every other geeky Bigfoot denier out there, utterly oblivion and indifferent to Patty's proportions and height positively stating she's too tall and wide to have silly things like football pads, extended arms or floppy feet. lol Too muscular for one thing, torso too long, etc. Love the ignorance of the deliberate blinders, it's bliss to read such troll nonsense and know it can't be done.
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You're babblin' again, komododiot. That makes dodge #869. You said that Ken Peterson was a costume expert, and then never backed your statement up. Still waiting. You also said that I wanted a recreation. Show me where. If anyone is the geek, it's you, lol. ;)
eminboztepe 3 weeks ago
@eminboztepe Never said that and nobody cares, least of all me. Only kindly gonna show you your teeth on the floor, bitch... That's all we're ever gonna show you eminaidiot, & nuthin' else. lol
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You said it twice, komodoidiot. Dodge #871. ggek
eminboztepe 3 weeks ago
Jeff is the footprint expert, Todd Standing is the photo video expert, and Matt Moneymaker well he smells like bigfoot
justinsmuscles 3 weeks ago
So, when a guy portays godzilla in any godzilla film, is he trying to walk like a human, or how a dinosaur might walk? This is just SO stupid! Who analzyes a film like this, and doesn't realize that the guy might actually be trying to dehumanize his gait to fit the notion of how a bigfoot might walk? Throw in costume girth, the football shoulder pads, the extended arms, it's obvious, he won't walk too much like a human, OH, and the big floppy feet.
19nisey69 4 weeks ago
@19nisey69 I think the experiment is simply going in other direction: to prove if a human actor can recreate the purported gait of the Patterson-Gimlin creature...in order to get some clues to find out if the movie is actually a man on a suit.
KronprinzAdam 3 weeks ago
Well said Norma.
seymourbbest 1 month ago
stfu
yasinyucell 1 month ago
Sorry for laughing Norma, but U got that way wrong. Patty's hair's by no means uniform, it's anything but & the complete opposite. It's spotty & showing her skin underneath, otherwise we'd not see the muscle movement most folks notice very clearly. Had it been a suit, it would have been uniform as U say, cos that's how all suits were in the past. Indeed still 20 years later with Harry Henderson & more or less today. 2001's caveape looked like a suit. BFs are hairy, doesn't mean they're animals.
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Guess this analysis doesn't consider someone trying to fake it..frankly a large male in a suit would fit ok....anyone remember 2001 space odyssey...not that hard to fake behavior..also primates do NOT have hair in the same uniform manner...primates have hair up/down etc..the Patterson film shows uniform hair which is very unnatural for any wild animal...typical of a suit.
1927Norma 1 month ago
CameFrombeyond most likely wouldn't make it back home, he'd no doubt be rendered a headless lump himself before he knew what hit him, that's why killing a BF hasn't succeeded. So far. There's often more than one being around, so your ass is grass if you try or even think they'll stand for it. Besides, you simply don't shoot at anything bipedal. First rule of hunting, you break that one and lawyers will find a way you're headed for jail big time, especially if the species is more human than ape.
reclaimerReclaimer 2 months ago
Yeah. BobH is old now so he simply doesn't care that he's just telling tall tales, he's got no clue about Sasquatch and figured why the hell not, thinking we're not going to find a Bigfoot anyway soon to prove him wrong. Most six-packs out there think that way, blissfully unaware and indifferent, that's why there's never been a BF expedition from the highest order under way. The US national authorities may already know, but figure why rock the boat as long as there's no greater public demand.
reclaimerReclaimer 3 months ago
I'm still uncertain with all this stuff, but... when there are hairsamples found in North America that are scientifically proven being from an unknown primate and not from known animals from that habitat AND the Patterson/Gimlin film showing a proposed outstandingly tall man in a suit that must have been made in the future back then to copy and imitate all that biological specifics that makes it stand broadly apart from the possibilies of a suit actor of that time... WHAT is on this film then?
Plitsche86 3 months ago
Bob is a dreamer.
If you examine the walking posture, You'll notice that the mid-back slumps forward, in the Patterson film.
That same posture can be seen in the Marble Mountain footage.
Bob will ultimately be "The Horses Ass" of the century, when the truth comes out. His family will be the victims of his lies.
Pretty pathetic. I don't know of his family life, but he turned his name into a joke. Pathetic, Very pathetic!
AzBirdDog 3 months ago
bigfoot is real i heard him true story on easter 2011
beretta03 3 months ago
I live in Carson Washington {Skamania county}. Have lived here off and on my whole life. Am hunter, fisherman, outdoorsman. Have seen fresh bigfoot tracks in the snow going up VERY steep terrain. No way they were faked....someone would have had to have been on stilts to make the stride of the tracks left. So someone is faking tracks on stilts going up STEEP grades in rough terrain, going over stuff I would have difficulty going over?....I dont think so....Have never seen bigfoot, but he EXISTS!
sturgeonslayer7 3 months ago
@XBattleDude proving what made the tracks has always been in contention. Even though the dermal ridges are primate (running laterally along the foot and not diagnally as humans do). How many hoaxers would have known this and then incorporated each individual line into thier casts including scar tissues. So do we believe there is a secret society of hoaxers making false prints in the thousands all across north america. Or do we accept the possibility of an unknown large primate.
2ndRCHAret 3 months ago
I would love bob heironimus to watch this he shit his pants because he is a LIAR
LeebeKing 3 months ago
Don't care if it's illegal to kill a bigfoot. I'll put 3 slugs in it's fat ass with my 50 cal. desert eagle. Drag it to my house and sell tickets to look at it. No unknown creature on this planet is protected legally.
CameFrombeyond 3 months ago
@CameFrombeyond In response to your "I dont care if its illegal to shoot one... no unknown animal is protected legally" comment I have this as a reply.
In 1969 an ordinance in Skamania County, Washington was passed stating "No injury of any kind - including shooting - should be inflicted on Bigfoot (if it exists)"
fyi
or·di·nance (noun)
A piece of legislation enacted by a municipal authority.
An authoritative order.
Fahnestock1 3 months ago
It would also probably be illegal to kill a human that changes into a werewolf. Does that make werewolves real too? You really think the corp of engineers has anything to do with identification of new species? How desperate are you? 1975? Pathetic.
seymourbbest 4 months ago
The Army Corp of Engineers in 1975 added Sasquatch to their "Environmental Atlas"
also in Skamania county Washington it is illegal to kill a Bigfoot. So that right there is a form of evidence. I could go into the audio recording analysis that has been done but your little brain couldn't deal with that.
511marko 4 months ago
Another bigfooter running away to avoid the embarrassing lack of evidence to support his claims. Go look for bigfoot tracks and report back to us. Haha.
seymourbbest 4 months ago
@seymourbbest Your a total moron. Where do you live anyway ?
511marko 4 months ago
No I didn't say any were real. Krantz said the majority of prints he had see were fake so therefore he was saying a few were real. I'm saying NONE are real because bigfoot doesn't exist. All prints attributed to bigfoot are fakes,or bear tracks or even human tracks.
seymourbbest 4 months ago
@seymourbbest Just like u dont exist because I cant see you.............. just your u tube typing tracks
sturgeonslayer7 3 months ago
Tracks can be faked and have been since the 1950s--worthless. As for the claims of eyewitness sightings--people have claimed to have seen werewolves,vampires,fairies etc. Anything that someone claims to see becomes real?that's Bigfooter logic -it has no scientific validity.
seymourbbest 4 months ago
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Dr. Melba Ketchum update: I thought we would be finished in a few weeks, but instead, Sasquatch threw us curve balls even with their DNA which can be as elusive as they are.We are past that! As a result, we have assembled a renowned team, each of us with our own specialties to make this project "extraordinary".If everyone will hang in there, I promise it will be worth the wait. We have the proof, now just give us the opportunity to present it in a form that will even convince skeptics.
rockstarzep 4 months ago
@XBattleDude
Bob Heironimus never said Morris made the suit. That was Greg Long's guess.
eminboztepe 4 months ago
You guys act like there's tracks and sightings by the thousands requiring an "army" of hoaxers. There aren't that many tracks found.when they are found some conman like moneymaker just happens to be nearby. Krantz dismissed the huge majority as fake anyway.
seymourbbest 4 months ago
I believe that a lot (maybe a majority) of tracks are fake, but not the ones accepted and used in the data analyses discussed below.
rockstarzep 4 months ago
The hoaxers would have to communicate together over generations and have the time, energy, intelligence, patience, money, and skills to provide tracks with the various aspect ratios (width to lengths, toe length to foot size, etc, etc) and size distributions that fit a natural living population as described in sasquatch legend meets science part 5 of 5. That in itself is very X 143,564 unlikely, not with the consistencies and amount of data- which includes juvenile prints, too.
rockstarzep 4 months ago
@XBattleDude
click on my name. I have a short youtube video on this hoax which will help point you in the right direction.
eminboztepe 4 months ago
Bigfoot tracks ARE not being found all over the place. They seem to always pop up when meldrum or biscardi or moneymaker or some other con man who makes money off the bigfoot myth is in the area. Funny how that works aint it?
seymourbbest 4 months ago
Like grover krantz said the huge majority of tracks he had seen were FAKE.ie human made. There's never been one track found in the USA has having been verified coming from a giant biped primate. Not one.
seymourbbest 4 months ago
"Where are all the plaster casts coming from"? How many are being found? Not many. You act as tho they are all over the place. Grover krantz ,the godfather of bigfoot research,said near the end of his life that the huge majority of print casts he had see were fake. Impressions in mud,by the way, are NOT scientific evidence anyway. Find a specimen otherwise your full of scat.
seymourbbest 4 months ago
@XBattleDude
It was a suit. Period. The man's own family confessed.
eminboztepe 4 months ago
There's not one speck of scientific evidence for a giant primate living in north america. Let me say it again---theres not one speck of scientific evidence that points to a giant unknown primate living in north america.
seymourbbest 4 months ago
Research into patterson and this film quickly show it to be fake. No evidence exists to the contrary.
seymourbbest 4 months ago
@seymourbbest That is a truly insane statement. There is alot of evidence that says its real, but you wont even look at it because you are an egotistical blockhead unwilling to learn anything.
511marko 4 months ago
If this creature exists still today then we don't need the Patterson film...the film is so limited and grainy even with the enhancements that is is like looking at clouds..everyone can read into it what they want to see and the nay sayers can prove their disagreement...but this shouldn't be the basis..if that is all we really have than I am willing to believe it is a present myth..a creature perhaps seen years ago and ready into history and later myth but a truth origin.
1927Norma 4 months ago
"Confessor" Bob Hieronimous.In January, 2001, he was quoted as saying "These Bigfoot people are making money off it. Well, I should be gettin' a little cut of that, see. I'm gettin' nuthin'."
511marko 4 months ago
Dmitri Donskoy, D.W. Grieve were both impressed by the film. I'm sure you have no idea who they are. I have heard very few serious researchers say it was a hoax and it doesn't even matter because I'm sure they are going to be proven to be real in the next few years anyway.
511marko 4 months ago
Krantz said either the creature in the PGF is fake or the prints patterson claimed it left are fake due to size and shape difference. Of course they're both fake. More and more people consider the pGF real? No even only a few bigfoot nerds still consider it real. Meldrum still says its real,other than him name me someone who still thinks its real.
seymourbbest 4 months ago
This isn't part 1, can you guys please fix this?
Ravenlock99 4 months ago
Near the end of his career krantz said the huge majority of prints he had examined were fake. Calling me names doesn't change that. Meldrum on a discovery channel show also said he had seen hoaxed prints. Even if you believe in bigfoot you can't deny that people fake prints.
seymourbbest 4 months ago
@seymourbbest In your comment you tried to claim the "Patty " casts are fake. That is an outright lie. Nobody other than you and your BS friends has ever claimed they were faked. You must be getting real desperate because the more that whole incident is studied the more obvious it is that it was a real animal on that film.
511marko 4 months ago
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For one thing, I've always questioned the 'angle' of the cameraman to the 'walker' ... which suddenly changes from approx 35 degree angle (from path 'walker' took) to approx. 15 degree angle, which occurs at 0:42 in the original footage. You can also notice the large tree trunk at bottom right suddenly disappear as additional evidence.
rntonp 5 months ago
@rntonp Its because Patterson moved. He also fell down at one point.
511marko 4 months ago
I enjoyed these clips immensely. There was ALOT of time, effort, and capital put into making this film, 'The Truth Series' == However, despite all of the analytical data, subjective and objective information, quantitative and qualitative descriptions -- I always was under the assumption that along with a 'compliant gait' that their footprints made a linear pattern, not a staggered human pattern. In other words, one foot lands directly in FRONT of the other - ??
rntonp 5 months ago
I don't dismiss the theory that this species does exist out of hand? But I am a bit of skeptic, so I'd like to see one just once to confirm it myself. That said, if they are real? I almost hope proof of their existence is never found. Because if it is, rest assured that man will be out hunting them to the brink of extension. Which would be a real shame. Because they're obviously a smart enough species that they've gone to great length's to try and avoid the human species.
GBeret83 5 months ago
@GBeret83 humans even treat their own like slaves
longfootbuddy 4 months ago
@longfootbuddy, Boy ain't that the truth!! To supposedly be the smartest mammals on the planet, human beings sure have the ability at times to look like the most ignorant. LOL.
GBeret83 4 months ago
@GBeret83 yes, sometimes its as iff there is an evil spell on them, making them blind and stupid
longfootbuddy 4 months ago
fuckin' samsquanch
blackmage3000 5 months ago
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Even Pattersons friend ,bernard krantz bigfoot searcher,admitted he knew patterson faked prints. Krantz said either the pgf was fake or the prints patterson claimed it left were fake. Of course the real answer,he chose to omit,was they were BoTH fake.
seymourbbest 5 months ago
@seymourbbest You are the biggest liar i've ever come across. Dr. Grover Krantz and Dr. Jeffery Meldrum have studied those casts, along with every other notable researcher and none of them have ever said they were fake.And they have NO reason to cover for them so stop spreading your insane lies and outright bullcrap.
511marko 4 months ago
The deniers love to ignore how this figure can't even be 6ft, and thus not BobH or any other geezer, simply because we see her legs in full. There's no padding her legs, they're in perfect view, so with a top body much longer than the bottom - and more importantly - longer than BobH's torso how can it be his height, when her arms are also swinging naturally from up there on too broad shoulders, plus head moving too. Easy; it can't be. So 6ft it's not, more like the 7ft Bill Munns arrived at.
reclaimerReclaimer 6 months ago
One frame shows a clean shaven Roger pouring the plaster for the Patty casts. Then it is claimed that 90 minutes later he is holding the casts. Wow, he grew a full beard in 90 minutes! And the plaster is suddenly gone that he spilled on his jeans. But no big deal, right, believers? Roger's famous "Ape Canyon" photo was taken across the street from his house, not at Ape Canyon, according To Jerry Merritt's sister and niece. So Roger was lying again. No biggie again, right believers?
eminboztepe 6 months ago
@eminboztepe He did find prints at other times, including 1964 in the Bluff Creek area.
rockstarzep 6 months ago
@rockstarzep
Yes, wherever Roger went he claimed to have found tracks. Typical conman methodology.
eminboztepe 6 months ago
@eminboztepe Or, he didn't bother to mention all of the places he had gone that did NOT have tracks. Just like a person addicted to gambling or slot machines. Seem to hear alot about "I won 200.00 yesterday, and 600.00 last week, 1200.00 three weeks ago. -- Average person would think, "man, they are really raking it in!" -- Then you realize that all of the OTHER days NOT mentioned they lost their ass. Same concept , ? maybe.
rntonp 5 months ago
@rntonp
I hear what you are saying, but that's not the case here.
eminboztepe 5 months ago
And why did Roger and Bob lie about when the film was shot? The Patty cakes ignore that too. Why is it still a mystery where the film was developed? Irrelevant, right? Why is the film edited? Even John Green's copy has some frames flipped. No big deal, right? Why was no one allowed to the original negative. I mean, no one can find it today. Conveniently lost by Ron Olson. No biggie, though, right believers?
This is how cons work, kids. Accept what they give you and ask no questions.
eminboztepe 6 months ago
The PGF is a man in a suit. Very obvious. Funny how this "bigfoot" filmed in the 60's looks like....a man in a 60's costume!
What's really funny is that the bigfoot geeks totally disregard Al DeAtley's confession. And yes, he acknowledges that Bob Heironimus asked him about his $1000.
But nah, Al DeAtley is lying, right, guys? Just for the hell of it? LOL
eminboztepe 6 months ago
@eminboztepe Al DeAtley's confession? can you please cite your sources?
PoulsenFilms 6 months ago
@PoulsenFilms
Sure. It's in the interview he gave to Greg Long in his book. Everything was tape recorded by Long to ensure accuracy.
eminboztepe 6 months ago
@eminboztepe wow, thanks, I'll have to look that one up
PoulsenFilms 6 months ago
@eminboztepe You are one big bag of horse manure. Why are you always coming up with more bull. How could one man have so much scamming and deception going on in his life. Maybe because its more like you are ?
511marko 4 months ago
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More lies joey? Heironimus took and passed his first poly in 1975. Gimlin also refused to go out and promote the film because patterson ripped him off. Patterson would appear at events with a guy pretending to be gimlin. Now there's a great guy---roger patterson---died owing even gimlin money.
seymourbbest 6 months ago
Anyone in an ape uniform is obvious. PG film is real. Still hasn't been proven a hoax.
rockstarzep 6 months ago
What a swell chap this Bob Heronimus is...I mean Patterson screwed him out of his thousand bucks for wearing the suit, THEN Patterson goes on to make even MORE money and notoriety from the hoax...and all the while Bob H. remains silent...decade after decade after decade...what a swell fella!! .
joeyvader 7 months ago
Joey, it'll be BobH's turn to make a real confession on his own deathbed, you can believe that...no more lies...since he clearly wasn't Patty (physically/technically impossible) he should have no interest in being remembered as a hairy tit suitman when it wasn't him... Let's see how much pride he has come that fateful day.
komodoman 7 months ago
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Digg---gimlin has already admitted in a BBC interview a few years back that it was possible Patterson had hoax him too. Of course that's only partially true because gimlin knew there was a man in the suit all along. Gimlin isn't quite ready to give up the truth but since these bigfoot conventions have played out he might be close to admitting to the hoax. But even if he never does Bob Heironimus has proved the hoax.
seymourbbest 7 months ago
Gimlin is an old man now. Elderly men often get twitchy when confronted with the prospect of their own mortality, especially when it stands to effect their reputation. If Gimlin genuinely believes that PGF is real then he'll go to his grave insisting just that. However, if he has any doubts he'll likely voice them 'cos he won't want to risk exposure after his death as a liar in this business. If he is holding out after all these years ...I reckon he'll come clean while he still has the chance.
digglyda 7 months ago
Funny how Patterson himself never got 'twitchy' when confronting HIS own mortality...considering he was on his DEATH BED in 1972 insisting that the film was authentic...I guess he was willing to "risk exposure after his death as a liar in this business" Quite a risk, considering that he screwed Bob H. outta his money, and at ANY time Heronimus could've come forward...why didn't Patterson 'come clean while he still had the chance', knowing that Bob H. only had to say one word?
joeyvader 7 months ago
@joeyvader: Patterson was still a young man when he died. PGF was still making a little money for his wife and the clip just didn't have the notoriety then that it has now. Nobody was passionately defending or de-bunking. RP couldn't have imagined the digital attempts to dissect PGF in the minutest detail we have now? Impossible to see through all the claims & counter claims, PGF is almost bigger than Bigfoot now in some ways? I wonder what RP would think if he could see these arguments on YT?
digglyda 7 months ago
There's not a speck of scientific proof for bigfoot. Lots of bad suits on grainy film.
seymourbbest 7 months ago
@seymourbbest There's not a spec of scientific proof that you're not a half-wit...lots of bad thoughts in a grainy brain.
joeyvader 7 months ago
I believe this guy.
wheelmanstan 8 months ago
If Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin really did fake this film? I give them huge prop's. Because they were able to shoot it at a time when there was very little in the way of technology that was advanced. Yet even with today's most modern and advanced technology, the film still cannot be confirmed or denied as being authentic.
GBeret83 9 months ago
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GBeret83 9 months ago
@GBeret83 Patterson was an artist and inventor. The people who knew him called him a con-arist. Plus he never apid for the camera rental of the 16mm camera and the shop called the law.
WaybackMachine1 9 months ago
@WaybackMachine1, I had seen in a documentary about the Patterson-Gimlin film once that Patterson either held or had applied for several different patents for thing's he invented or was trying to invent during his lifetime.
GBeret83 9 months ago
I find it hard to believe that the people who made the video had the knowledge to make the creature move in that manner so fluently,little was known back then,and the suit was never produced,nor was the video ever duplicated by anybody including a movie production company unlimited materials at their disposal.
DaAlphaOmega 1 year ago 6
@DaAlphaOmega Precisely.
TheDensley7 9 months ago
@DaAlphaOmega
The suit imposes restrictions on locomotion and visibility forcing the actor to abide by these restrictions. Thus the head and shoulders move simultaneously not due to the head being so far forward as some have claimed but rather due to a lack of peripheral vision imposed by the "helmet" .
Kirlian196 8 months ago
@Kirlian196 Your opinion,my opinion is the footage is real,its way too consistant,you can see muscle under the fur,the porportions of the limbs and body are not human if you ask me.
DaAlphaOmega 8 months ago
@DaAlphaOmega: Of course.....however I think you are forgetting the scientific principle. Only a body (skin and bones) will satisfy the requirements to finally prove it one way or another. Patterson had a LONG history of fraud ...that doesn't help matters. Even Gimlin admitted Patterson may have duped him. He refused to respond to assertions that the film was a hoax. Odd behavior.
Kirlian196 7 months ago
@DaAlphaOmega Didnt Phillip Morris not only produce the suit but currently tours with it as well..?
elchicho25 5 months ago
@elchicho25
Morris didn't make the suit. Morris made cheapie Halloween costumes. The suit in the PGF came from Hollywood. Wah Chang, Janos Prohaska, and John Chambers were the men responsible.
eminboztepe 4 months ago
@eminboztepe There sure are alot of people you've implicated in this supposed "suit " theory. But yet 44 years later and no proof it ever was a suit, and thats because there never was a suit. If you knew anything about science you would clearly see that what you are looking at is a real animal and not some patchwork joke like your insane buddy Blevins.
511marko 4 months ago
Fun- give us a source for that statement you made.
seymourbbest 1 year ago
Its real!!!!
Thebearcat66 1 year ago
fake padded arse.that doesnt ,move..upside down shoulder muscles..
thedemonunderyourbed 1 year ago
Yes there´s...if the Paterson´s vid data proves that it is IMPOSIBLE for a human to emulate Patty´s biomechanics:
IT PROVES THAT THAT VID IS REAL: BIGFOOT EXISTENCE PROVEN.
Funfisique 1 year ago