Legislation In The Name Of "Cybersecurity" Will Not Improve The Internet

[masluxx]

So if i rob a bank and take a public bus home will the unknowing driver of the bus now go to jail as an accessory? Will everyone else on the bus go to jail also? This has to be a brain child of a neocon. Oh what i would give for that old time conservative mentality in the republican party to come back. You know the mentality where the constitution was an idea not just a bunch of words to be undermined by trickery of legal language or other such shenanigans.

[gr4ndhustle]

if that law get's legislated internet is going to slowly die like tv is... they hate the fact internet is giving people freedom... that's all this is about.. not going to rant about it tho..

[mythmanjay]

"Copyright" ... I don't get it. Furthermore, I refuse to get it. If my ideas are unbelievably similar to someone else's ideas, what makes someone else's manifestation of their ideas more-worthy than my manifestation of them ... whatever.

But about the other thing, about 'shutting down whole sites in "emergencies".' 1)Like I said above, ideas are very viral;2)(and I don't agree with this) ideas that look like they might put hazards in the road to the High White Tower are deemed cancerousCUTIT!

[AntiBullshitMan]

@mythmanjay "what makes someone else's manifestation of their ideas more-worthy than my manifestation of them"

It's true that lots of creative people have 90% of the same concepts floating around in their heads & just don't bother going that extra 10% and officially claiming it... Problem is, whatever justice you may impose by scrapping copyright altogether, would be vastly outweighed by the number of individuals who'd surely abuse their new found "privileges" & find ways to profit off of them.

[mythmanjay]

@AntiBullshitMan I see how that seems fair in the 'un-enlightened' version of /Quid-pro-Quo/ (which sees 'this for that' as meaning "Somethin` come ta` ME when I spend MY time making somethin`"). I guess I'm used to the enlightened version, which doesn't exactly 'equate with' /Quid-pro-Quo/---something like 'something good from me means more goodness comes from me (especially if you give me good stuff)'

[AntiBullshitMan]

Unfortunately, most people (especially those who spend lots of time downloading music/shows/movies) aren't even content with the unenlightened version, they simply want something for nothing, with the enlightened version (which if you've seen the movie can simply be referred to as "Pay it forward") not even entering the equation.

I should add that I'd scrap all copyright claims for inventions of which the inventor has retired/died. Or I'd just ball park a 25-30 year deadline on all claims...

[VampiressOnDaProwlq]

you look like a mischievous boy up to no good trying to look innocent on your vid thumbnail lol

[marcef100]

Regardless current conversation we have had, it's importantnt not to lose sight, that on this issue, you're right. Not sure why you easily see the "unintended" consequences of this see in most issues involving big gov reg/law.Some are not unintended, just slick ways of gov getting more control. It's the same with almost all law and reg. I guarantee, you and I, break the law in some way, every day, NO ONE can know all the laws and regulations. They add law so they can come for u when the WANT.

[Misterunnamed]

Of course youtube would not be bulldozed, since it's too useful. It's an excellent propaganda tool of the corporate-owned branches of government. They will still of course shut down any channels they deem a threat, and any other websites that they cannot use as a propaganda piece.

[marcef100]

@Misterunnamed there is corpratismk, but don't forgt whom is at the top, it big gove, this is exactly why give needd to be shrunk, then we can have honest competetion.

[demonorse]

The free market is good for dirt bikes vuvuzellas and helmets you can hold 2 beer cans with. The benevolent savior of mankind? That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. It would be funny, but there are many idiots and its scary.

[syn010110]

COICA is just a big fat gift from Uncle Sam to the RIAA/MPAA. It's not about stopping piracy. It's about preventing independent artists and filmmakers from creating WITHOUT going through the big record labels and film studios!

[gardenswan]

Great video. Are you for net-neutrality though?

[Mazchine]

@gardenswan The bill? No bill is going to secure neutrality. It's imposing some type of blockade on some part of the internet or it's users. The ONLY neutrality is that the net is "as is." No bullshit law will provide the means to neutrality.

[2bsirius]

This sounds like revoking net neutrality by stealth.

[2bsirius]

This sounds like revoking net neutrality by stealth.

[Knightyme]

The 'blacklist' here in Australia is proposed but not yet in place. We would like to think they have wised up but somehow I don't think they have.

In tests it took young to mid teens about 5-10 min to circumvent the block. And then there are that computer admin, techs and other well qualified people that , could nullify the blocks before they finish their morning coffee, before going onto something actually challenging.

No I dont think it would be wise to try. But then I'm not in government

[VampiressOnDaProwlq]

something is wrong and it's not just random coincidence.

Oojamaflipper wasnt suspended, his channel is "unavailable"?!

"Nomoresunsets" is unavailable too following her saying intended to enhance her channels not diminish them.

then what happened to IreMythP.

i've seen people's channels temporarily unavailable for weeks become suddenly available without explanation from YT.

ABM - hacking by Conservatives? they say YT cant be hacked but i know from my experiences that isnt accurate. your thoughts?

[AntiBullshitMan]

"Oojamaflipper wasnt suspended, his channel is "unavailable"?!"

I never said he was suspended, I specifically said that the ooj channel is unavailable. He was hacked back on Dec. 1, 2010.

" "Nomoresunsets" is unavailable too "

Her channel is straight up "closed". I was just wondering if she genuinely wanted to close it. I'm not ruling out the possibility of her being coerced into closing it.

"hacking by Conservatives?"

No evidence... unfair to speculate about specific groups at this stage.

[turnofffox]

@VampiressOnDaProwlq Possibilty 1# It was a typo and you mispelled his name

#2 (and I might add the most likely) His channel was flagged over and over again by Neo con libertarian right wing fascists because they did not like progressive propaganda. I heard they've been going after a lot of channels that promote the Wisconsin labor rights movements. Its sad its almost like when they tried to shut down civil rights demonstrations in the 60s the difference is instead of firehoses they flag them

[marcef100]

Aren't u the same guy that is alway raw raw about gov intervention, WHEN u happen to be for it?? Because u happen to see ridicules nature of gov intervention, in this case, doen't change fact that gov is not nor ever will ever be capable of being a pro active force for anything. Gov needs to stick to protecting boarders & not letting us kill each other, that about it. The market will take care of rest ...save it, gov is what caused the financial; market would have not allowed it to happen.

[AntiBullshitMan]

@marcef100 "Aren't u the same guy..."

Aren't you the same guy who convinced himself that I wear wigs & then went on to troll the ever loving shit out of me in PMs? Yeah...

"...that is alway raw raw about gov intervention, WHEN u happen to be for it"

Wow, imagine that. People advocating gov't intervention when they have actual reason to, & not when they don't. It's madness!

Not at all surprising that all-or-nothing "thinkers" like yourself can draw from this video a false notion of hypocrisy.

[AntiBullshitMan]

But what makes your comment truly amusing is your own lack of consistency:

"gov is not nor ever will ever be capable of being a pro active force for anything"

For ANYTHING! Yet you immediately go on to say:

''Gov needs to stick to protecting boarders & not letting us kill each other''

You JUST SAID gov't can't do anything right, yet you advocate gov't monopolies on boarder control, police & the judiciary system. Why doesn't your faith in markets extend to these services as well? I wonder...

[AntiBullshitMan]

"alway raw raw about gov intervention"

And no I'm not *always* "raw raw gov intervention", not by any rational standards in the rest of the world. I'm just capable of accepting the reality of the fact that private charity has never been able to accommodate the basic needs of the least amongst us anywhere near to the extent of a proper functioning gov't system. Look up the standards of living for the lower class before FDR's social programs, then read up on deregulation & the financial sector.

[marcef100]

@AntiBullshitMan lol, read up on glass stegal, that you and you'rs CREATED, in the fist place

[AntiBSMan]

"read up on glass stegal"

No no, you articulate yourself right here in detail citing the conspiracy theory you've been fed which has duped you into believing that glass steagall act & regulation in general of the financial sector is a hindrance. Read up on the Panic of 1907 & all similar other Panics throughout the 19th century. All sprouting before The Fed, with no system in place to disincentivize private financial imperialism, which you're currently just a shill for, and oblivious to it.

[marcef100]

@AntiBSMan never said conspiracy.1st off, u getting debates mixed up. U want to talk about the Central banking & what Wilson, FDR & Nixion did in removing gold stand or GlassStegal? There were "panics" before 1907 will b "panics" after 2011. Gov exacerbates. Glass steagall is more gov "fixing" what gov broke by allowing to get out of hand because unintended consequnces of over regulated bureaucracy.Now vilify's CO's for acting within the govs rules & acting as B/D instead of Investment Adivsor.

[AntiBSMan]

@marcef100 "There were "panics" before 1907 will b "panics" after 2011"

Not if you have a well regulated system, where regulations are actually enforced & not overlooked due to private interests meshing with the enforcement & buying it off.

Start with this:

/watch?v=bkNezph6qGk

I'd like to see you quote the comments you feel he's mistaken in making. Come on, educate the man who specialized in the field. Or are you just going to call him a liar? Either way, it'll be entertaining for me.

[marcef100]

@AntiBSMan lol "Not if have well regulated system" Let's say possible, the smarter but disingenuous keynesians have brainwashed sheep i.e. u for for 200 yrs & we r past point of being able to test that out. U r 99% of problems we c today. Fring would say it not possible, I say there r 2 many brainwashed like u. I didn't even go 2 link, there r tons of "accredited" Keynesian propagandist that say anything to pad pockets. Some even buy noble"prizes".Scumbags count on low thinking sheep, i.e. u.

[AntiBSMan]

Me: "Or are you just going to call him a liar?"

You: "keynesians have brainwashed sheep"

Liar it is. Way to be predictable. Good to know that 99.999% of the pop. is "brainwashed" & only the brilliant mind of marcelf100 along his fellow YT cult members have figured out the real deal.

"I didn't even go 2 link"

Which explains why you're under the false impression that I linked you to a "keynesian" economist.

"some even buy noble"prizes""

Except for Friedman, of course. He's too noble for that

[marcef100]

@AntiBSMan I don't have to call him a liar, it is clear. Carter "fair" housing, nuff said!

[marcef100m]

@AntiBSMan you're an idiot, and your still dodging.

[MRM4Truth]

@AntiBSMan Why would you imply Fruedman bought his noble prize. Friedman was one of the brightest minds in modern History.

[AntiBullshitMan]

@MRM4Truth

I said ""he's too "noble" for that"" as a quirky play on words, since I had just quoted market boy's misspelling of the word/name nobel.

It's also meant to be a jab at him taking everything his people say as gospel while instantly dubbing everything the overwhelming majority of experts have to say, as "teh keynsian propaganda lol".

[marcef100]

@AntiBullshitMan that's defensive, numb nuts

[AntiBSMan]

"that's defensive"

You made a bold claim that gov't cannot be a proactive force for *ANYTHING*. Immediately thereafter, you endorsed gov't having monopolies on certain services. This is called double speak. Instead of just admitting that you got caught on it, you chose to dig an even deeper hole for yourself with this "defensive" exception making. Supply & demand 101 doesn't care whether the service at hand is a defensive one. I can just as easily cite healthcare as a "defense" against illness.

[marcef100]

@AntiBSMan dude, I think you're getting dumber as we speak. You just don't seem to be able to follow a premise all the way to concusion. I've noticed this in some of your other stuff. What did I get caught on?

Regadless, you're using symantics, if you do not understand the difference between, protecting, the boarder, as if you do not, you have nothing to protect, then I have given you to much credit. You can't really be that limited in your understanding. can u??

[AntiBSMan]

"You just don't seem to be able to follow a premise all the way to concusion"

You just don't seem to be able to answer the simple question of why market principles can't apply to boarder control, & why you endorse an uncompetitive gov't monopoly on it. You cannot even grasp the question, as evidenced by your suggestion that "symantics" are involved.

"dude, I think you're getting dumber as we speak"

And you're trying to score points through empty insults with huffing & puffing. Transparent.

[marcef100]

@AntiBSMan lol, i use to argue on your behalf when speaking with the intteleganet folk, saying u were not as bad as some of your bleeding heart broherenm but u have proven now that you are just as dumb.

lol, i like how u just skipped past your misunderstanding of the FED/central banking, the gold standard, and Glass Steagall/Investment advice and serving as a provider of transactions.

[AntiBSMan]

"i use to argue on your behalf"

Yeah yeah, you mentioned that already the last time we spoke. Apparently your memory matches your political commentary.

"i like how u just skipped past your misunderstanding of the FED/central banking"

I've written about those items extensively. I'd tell you to go to my blog & read up on it, but it's no use. You didn't come here to accept the folly of your position, you came here to shove your delusional notions of correctness down my throat. So kindly fuck off

[marcef100]

@AntiBSMan lol, do u think you're clevor in leaving out rest of statment, the parts u know nothing about " Glass Steagall/Investment advice & serving as a provider of transactions." Our convo had NOTHING to do with ur misguided notion that central banking & K bullshit r good instead of creating all the poblems we see today. U gratuitously brought that into debate. LOL I thought just like u, when I was 19 and sitting in econ 101 @ BIG DADDY FUNDED,STATE U. "a little knowledge is dangerouse" AE!

[AntiBSMan]

"if you do not understand the difference between, protecting, the boarder, as if you do not, you have nothing to protect"

So your argument is that protecting the boarder takes precedence. This doesn't at all explain why you exclude market principles from this particular service. But I know why, it's because you don't have genuine faith in it. If you did, you'd advocate private protection agencies for boarder control. The same argument from competition would apply. But you don't. Consider why.

[marcef100]

@AntiBSMan no, Idon't tale it that far, i don't agree with that, not in 2011. maybe by 2200. It expains it becomes im a realist, unlike you, I don't find a postitom the feeeeeeels good, and thrw throw reality out the window. Billions of of people do not believe as I do, even in my own country, UNTILL the rest of the world stops thinking like you, only gov can't protect us, from people like you! that is why I stop there, ....REALITY!

[AntiBSMan]

"Idon't tale it that far, not in 2011. maybe by 2200"

So your argument is, that because of "people like me" we have to wait until the year 2200 for market principles to extend to police/military/judiciary system. Principles aren't really *principles* if they're contingent on superficial tripe like the arbitrary rationalizations in your post. You've repeatedly failed to come even close to explaining why market principles currently apply to health, but must wait until 2200 to apply to crime.

[AntiBSMan]

"What did I get caught on?"

Not going to spoon feed it to you forever & ever, it'll just keep going over your head. You find boarder control/police to be one of the most essential services encompassed by the demand & supply paradigm. A true believer in markets would advocate MARKETS even more vehemently when it comes to these, instead of a gov't which they say "can't be a proactive force for *anything*"

Healthcare is just as vital & is a defense against illness, yet you arbitrarily separate it

[marcef100]

@AntiBSMan not just ON the boarder dumbass, just a word to express. I do wish war mongers such as Bush and even more so BO, did not have the support of the people so easiy. 90% military should come home. I would say leave in IRAQ for a while, but only now, that they are there, and the mission largley succedded. I said not then, and would say no again, most military action is about tricking young men into "manning up" to "protect" a nation that does not protect them.

[AntiBSMan]

@marcef100 "not just ON the boarder dumbass"

I never said that it's just on the boarder. I blatantly mentioned the military in general

"leave in IRAQ for a while, but only now, that they are there, and the mission largley succedded. I said not then, and would say no again, most military action is about tricking young men into "manning up" to "protect" a nation"

This is probably the most transparent, shameless non-sequitur I've ever seen. Nothing to do with the post you're "replying" to. Oaf

[demonorse]

@marcef100 The market will take care of the rest? Where have you been?

[marcef100]

@demonorse spoken like a true sheep, that does not understand, we do not, and never have had, anything close to a free market.

[demonorse]

@marcef100 Then what market do you speak of? The one created by a deregulated wall street? Do you really think they will look out for everyones interests?

[marcef100]

@demonorse lol, dummy is dumber thought. There is no "they" in "free market. It just IS, but yes, "they" will look out for everyones inerest,because "they" IS every 1's interest. Do u think over time people are stupid enough to keep consuming inferior product. That is how is works only when big daddy gov, pretends know's better....yes, some i.e. u,(the dummer) get screwd at times, but on AVE, we ALL get better STUFF, because the ave is not dumb. and is smarter then u,or overregulated market.

[demonorse]

@marcef100 Well if better stuff is what floats your boat, then have at it. You have a pretty shallow outlook on the world

[marcef100]

@demonorse your lack of rght & insight is staggering. Stuff, is everything, like techology that has doubled life expectancy, feeds billions of starving, and allowsmeto educate, low thinking sheep, such as your self. a free market would allows us to be hundreds of years ahead of where we are, with singularity, fusion, and solar exploration providing resources beyond imagination.

[demonorse]

@marcef100 your right on there, professor corey, stuff will cure everything! We all certainly need to live longer!

[fringeelements]

Good point. Do you really think the people at the grocery store are working because they care about your best interest? Clearly, a market in those things cannot work. But outright central planning is a proven failure, so lets assign some people through popularity contest to "regulate" other businesses, and they will do so because these people do actually have our best interest at heart.

*circular argument implosion*

[marcef100]

@marcef100 the gov plays gate keeper & keeps small guy at bay. the is why amost all Frtn 500 CEO's r liberal, they want your tax $ to pay for blocking small competetion that overtime, would surpass.Then just increase price &pass off to consumer, knowing that the don't have to improve much or WORK SMARTER & HARRDER, because they have u paying so they don't have to. The rich guys in the tower, are all to happy to LOOK like they fight big gov, but they R gov. Corpatism101, a liberal ideology.

[TheJimboism]

Unfortunately I see internet censorship as an inevitability in some shape or form at some point soon. One of the Rockefellers has already said " the Internet is the number one international hazard " Whatever the reason is used for it, be it copyright or international security a bill will be put forward and get through at some point. It will have a ton of holes in it and be completely open to abuse and interpretation. Much like the Prevention of Terrorism Act in the uk.

[TheAzov]

Hmm - this didn't show up in my subscriptions, either. Well, I'm *sure* there's a perfectly rational, justified exc- reason - for this, so let's not just jump to logical conclusions. We can't all live in Mendham.

[AntiBullshitMan]

@TheAzov "let's not just jump to logical conclusions. We can't all live in Mendham"

I'm not sure whether this is supposed to be a snark on him and you said "logical" by mistake instead of illogical, or if it's supposed to be a compliment. Or maybe I'm just missing me some vital context again... cuz yeah Gary ain't too big on the conspiracy stuff.

[TheAzov]

@AntiBullshitMan Just me trying to be subtle again. Rather than just sit back and say "Google sucks" and such, why not listen to the rational corporate explanation that it's not their piss you feel on your head - just rain no one can do anything about. 

[bubbamickmac]

@AntiBullshitMan, Damn good video. It's an absolute disgrace when a bill like this is introduced, yet our government has more of a concern for wikileaks which does 10 times more for the sake of democracy. Thumb'd up and fav'd :-)

By the way, I am irritated by the fact that NoMoreSunsets closed her accounts. She made some good videos as well. Oh well :-/

[GoatOfTheMountains]

"Copyright infringement" is just a diversion.

They want to silence and control dissent. It's that simple.

[KamikazeChicken5000]

The Australian blacklist was never actually implemented, it was blocked before it even got off the drawing boards. The Australian government made however, free local "net nanny" software for parents to use instead.

[StandardsOThought]

"Communication is one of the best things we have going for us"

Thats why they are scared, a public that can communicate and rally must be to dangerous

[mdlittle5466]

I find the Government seeking to 'lockdown security' on the internet to be laughable at best. First, do they REALLY expect to moderate those who know how the Internet works? Answer: No, because they can't - there's far too many ways to access the Internet. Second, even IF they manage to secure the entire internet...will this make things more secure? Answer: No, individuals who know what their doing will simply construct a new, unmoderated internet (...and probably hack the old internet, ho-hum).

[AntiBullshitMan]

"I find the Government seeking to 'lockdown security' on the internet to be laughable"

I can only hope that you don't find it laughable when the Australian gov't does it, or when gov'ts throughout the Middle East do it. The US is not exempt from this. The same interests are at play. The possibility of top secret information surfacing at undesirable places is a universal problem they all face.

"unmoderated internet"

True, but the average citizen won't be nearly as clued in on it, ala Libya etc

[mdlittle5466]

@AntiBullshitMan,

"True, but the average citizen won't be nearly as clued in on it, ala Libya etc." - That's where educating the masses come in, yes? :) One thing is true, the more legislation seeks to oppress...the more people seek to subvert. In today's society...information has now become so easily accessible, to even CONSIDER trying to 'lock it down' would cause such a 'knee-jerk' reaction...let's put it this way, I wouldn't want to be working for the Government...

[Ramiromasters]

@mdlittle5466 hopefully, tho what is important I think is the fact that the government is interested in putting a gag ball on information... last time I check the only people who are interested in that sort of thing is people who have something to lose by people talking.

[mdlittle5466]

@Ramiromasters Yep...then again, that's why 'white collar' crimes are so prevalent in America. Factual truth is the criminal's worst nightmare and CONTROLLING said information (...via corporate mass-media misdirection and 'gag-orders/sealed documents'...) help cover the tracks well enough. That is, until people get so annoyed with the stupidity...we seek to expose the Truth whenever possible. Hey, part of being a responsible adult is being held accountable for your own actions. Man up, Gov...eh?

[gr4ndhustle]

subscribed.

[RadicalAwesomeness]

fatty fatty fat fat fat fat FAT!!!!!!!

[RadicalAwesomeness]

FUCK! sorry, I couldn't help myself.

[AntiBSMan]

@RadicalAwesomeness

Sure, and anorexic is the new moderate skinny.

17 mag ftw!

[TheAzov]

All part of an ageold pattern: democracy and free information is for others, specifically a tool to be used against enemies, never to be applied to one's self. If this bill had already been in force, freedom would be confined to Egypt and Tunisia and other convenient places and those fucktards in Wisconsin could just pray for a better life in the hereafter, like we give them the religious freedom to do.

[masluxx]

This is a continuance of the trend of the executive branch accumulating more vaguely defined powers that it can use arbitrarily at best this is eroding the balance of powers that the American democracy is based on. At worst they are collecting of the tools of tyranny This current unenlightened 'pragmatic' bent, leading to the consolidation of executive powers, in the political environment IS the biggest threat this country has ever face to the higher ideas that this country is based on.

[MrVDawid]

you'r right

[CoronaMage]

"While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity."

[JungleHyena]

@AntiBullshitMan The only reason they want this bill passed is so they have the ability to shutdown sites like wikileaks, I think. USA makes alot of arrogant laws, like a under Bush the Invasion-law, where the USA has the ability to invade the Netherlands and free a USA politician or general that is on trial in the International Court of Justice in The Hague. It is pure arrogance and stupidity. But I am not surprised about it, as a European.

[HiltownJoe]

Hi, like your video.

But please be so nice to switch of the autofocus of your camera when you sit infront of it. The sudden blur allways distracts me.

[AntiBSMan]

@HiltownJoe

I'll look for "autofocus". Never even considered the existence of it... not sure if my camera has it as an option.

[trifelgeputinage]

Good video. Even if this bill is defeated the control freaks will keep plugging away trying to get their own way by one devious route or another, like they do on abortion for example. Of course when the shit hits the fan they'll take control in whatever way they want, but we shouldn't ever let them con or brainwash people into the idea that they can or should control internet access and content.

[lordblazer]

this is going to basically force websites to change to domains outside of the US.

[mdlittle5466]

@lordblazer Yep, just like how the rich seek to preserve their wealth by moving their liquid assets to foreign bank accounts...this blatant waste of Legislature will do absolutely NOTHING, but annoy those who know how the internet works. This will only cause foreign nations to suddenly experience a 'dot com' explosion. The Government's stopping nothing (...except making themselves look more and more foolish - the United States needs sharper minds working for the Government...seriously...).

[lordblazer]

@mdlittle5466

the govt needs more connected in touch minds working for them, but every agency with this cable scandal has recently declared any student that has even seen wikileaks prior to this, is ineligible for a job or to get a security clearance. Govt is going to be hiring a bunch of disconnected morons. Simply put everyone has seen a wikileak video or info if they are using the net. So yea make money fuck bitches, yea yea yea1 :D nothing we can do about govts man.

[mdlittle5466]

@lordblazer Heh...agreed, I loved it when they proclaimed 'wikileaks' non-accessible. I mirrored it once they said that...if they had just stayed quiet and be the obedient lapdogs they're supposed to be, I'd have been nice...but, oooh-no: 'big brother' wanted to get 'all-uppity'. Bad Government, bow down to the one's you serve...and that is we, the People.

[PraiseTheCrust]

maybe fringeelements hacked her

[philipsidney]

Many people are good talking off the top of their head--you are not one of them. This message needs more facts and fewer words.

[AntiBSMan]

@philipsidney

There are no facts missing here. If you're going to imply that there are, you should present them so that I can explain to you why they're just details which in no way diminish anything about the video.

"you are not one of them"

Ah, you're a troll. Nevermind.

[wintershadows]

yay new video

[JambiRightInTo]

NOOOOOOO nomoresunsets was the fucking best!

[TheMercilessEye]

Spot-on. Faved. Possible feature for tomorrow on my channel. Subbed (sorry - feel free to kick me off if you feel my presence might sully your reputation...)

( O )

[AntiBullshitMan]

@TheMercilessEye "feel free to kick me off if you feel my presence might sully your reputation"

I just had a quick glance at your channel & saw absolutely nothing objectionable... and if any given YT beef isn't rooted in political contempt, it's usually petty drama, in which case I wouldn't have followed it in the first place.

[TheMercilessEye]

@AntiBullshitMan Cool, thanks. I usually feel obligated mention that or some similar disclaimer, since I never know when things I find out might go contrary to the views of people with whom I associate. I have this annoying habit of looking at all the evidence before making any conclusions... You'd be surprised how many people take issue with that...

[dewinthemorning]

2:58, "Dangerous" "Insane" I completely agree. Copyright abuse? This is an excuse for hiding information and criticism by individuals. Equivalent to censorship.

Freedom of speech, though, would be very difficult to stop.

[AntiBullshitMan]

@dewinthemorning

Off topic: Did this video show up in your sub box? I'm asking because 2 people have already told me that they didn't see it in their sub boxes. Very annoying.

[dewinthemorning]

@AntiBullshitMan It did show in my sub box immediately, or very soon, some minutes it said.

[fringeailments]

@AntiBullshitMan just for your info, it showed up in mine.

[TheHairline]

@AntiBullshitMan A video that you made which discusses anti-internet-censorship not showing up in people's subscription boxes?

Mere... coincidence?!

[SkidRowRadio]

this isnt showing up in the subscriptions feed yet. had to click on the 'all activity' thing.

the US gov has been looking for an excuse to control the internet for so long, they were always worried that they didnt have the control over it that they managed to extend to TV and the papers (be it direct or thru their corporate rim-lickers)

a generalised threat is how they sell such levels of control.. the war on terror? a joke. the drug war? laughable.

[SkidRowRadio]

@SkidRowRadio The Obama admin has been putting pressure on internet companies to recede their services to organisations that they do not like, the most high profile example has been wikileaks, which i cover in a vid i could attach here if you like, since it's relevent, they lied about having done so but there is proof that they directly pressured companies to do this. so now they try to pass a bill that will give them the powers they have been exercising anyway.

thanks for the shout out.