this movie made me think and I finally figured it out. I "unfooled" myself lol I suppose that this movie isn't much discussed anymore, but If you want to be "unfooled as well then message me
Actually I believe that the langford double(knots)were his thing...as he suggested...at the time the girl agrees she can slip it even though Cutter said it would swell its not a wet knot....at the time you see him and her exchange a "OK do it" glance and he does..but i believe it may have been his brother who didn't know when asked. also I noticed when Angier first tests the machine...alone..look where he is..he was transported and his first clone shot him then is what it looks like.
@MrOmniscience No, it would ALWAYS be the main guy and not the clone in the machine and the one that gets transported is the clone. The main Angier is the one that drowns every night but because the clone has the EXACT same memories etc as the main one (right up until he gets cloned) he continues on as if he is the main one.
When Angier (Hugh/) first clones himself...was it the clone that he shot...or was it a clone that shot him??...because it seemed @ 3:07 that he transported outside of the machine ("no no wait i'm the [real one?])...and the clone stayed in the machine....which would make sense of the fact he kills off the clones with the trap door...
@vStreetStruckv All the hats and cats that were cloned from Tesla's original machine were the ones that appeared somewhere else. The real Angier is the one that drowns every night but because the clone is an exact duplicate, it shares all the same memories etc as the real Angier right up until the cloning, so it just assumes the role as real Angier when, in fact, the real one drowns. The clone doesn't know it's a clone because it has all the same memories and would believe it's the real/main one
@illevenlickthegravy actually Angier says at the end that he didn't know which one would be the prestige on a given night (the clone or him), implying that it was a mixture of him and the clone dying every night. So I guess in reality, the "real" Angier died in one of the first couple shows.
@MrHurley795 I don't think so because the clone is always the one that appeared somewhere else. It was the same for the cloned hats and cats that Tesla said were all exact clones that appeared in the forest. He must've had some idea that the clone was going to be the exact same and so when he was cloned he knew he had the possibility of being a clone or the real one because the memories etc were the same, which may have caused him the confusion to say he didn't know.
@illevenlickthegravy the back room was filled with those water tanks. there was an Angier in every tak. if the one that appeared somewhere else was the clone, that means that Angier died in the first act because at every show, he dropped into the tank and drowned. he didnt know what Angier would appear where, so he had to drown on purpose so he knew he would die.
@MrHurley795 Exactly. He didn't know which was going to appear when and then drowned at the end of every act (so the original died in the first show) and the clone didn't know if he was a clone or not and just though he might've survived, thinking it might be his turn next time to die. But because it was an exact duplicate it just assumed Angier's life as normal. The clone always appeared somewhere else.
@fdny9682 I think Tesla's move to Colorado Springs in 1899 was pretty publicized, and as Bale's character said in the movie, giving him the cipher - key word and "method" Tesla was a way of "ridding ourselves of Angier".
When Borden says he didn't know what knot he tied when Hugh Jackman asks him, he really doesn't. Borden's clone tied the knot and the clone was produced from Tesla's machine, and the original borden trained him.
@1986alec Lol its his twin. Borden could not have cloned himself with Telsa's machine because Tesla says to Angier "I have just began working on this machine." and also, Tesla and his assistant had no idea of their machine's abilities until Angier became awareof the two cats and all of his "cloned" hats
it was intentional, he say s at the begginig of the movie that he thinks that tie would work better so its kind of a confrontation with the others, to try to demonstrate he s a better magician, in the end that s the plot
I understand the movie but the one i dont understand is why did christain bale tie a hard knot to that on girls that died in the water thats what i want to know
@MrMask23 well I don't think it was him, I'm pretty sure it was his twin who tied the knot, which is why he said he didn't know and I don't think it was intentional.
@700JSCLIPS007 no, it was him who did it. he didnt use his twin then at all. it was only when the two guys split up to work solo, he just thought that that knot would be more realistic and the audience would believe that she was tied up good. and the girl agreed to it cause she believed him too.. but they were both mistaken. so the whole movie, they are trying to get revenge on each other.
@MrMask23 I think it's because of the scene where Cutter tells Borden that he screwed up the knot ("some nights you just don't get it...") and that Julie may possibly fall and break her legs. Borden then suggests the "Langford double" but Cutter informs him that it is not a wet knot. Borden and Julie both agree that they can learn to use the "Langford double" but Angier cuts in and protests.
@MrMask23 Borden tied the difficult knot because he thought it would hold her better when she was being lifted into the tank. In a previous scene, Cutter told Border to take more care with his knots because, if it let go, she would break her leg. Borden replied that the langford double would hold better.
@MrMask23 Borden made a deal with a girl to tie some kind of knot, twin did not knew which one it was so he tied a different one, the girl tried to escape from the ropes the way they made a deal, but actually it was a diferent knot, so she got confused
@MrMask23 He tied the "hard" knot because the other knot had a higher chance of coming undone when the crane lifted her up in the air and she could have fallen and been injured. The "hard" knot was safer for her while being lifted into the air, but harder to slip. She insisted she was good enough to do it, but apparently she wasn't.
i forgot all about this, read hollywoodmark's comment here, that's why this machine (were this exactly real etc...) makes dupes slightly further away than the original, it's the movement of the Earth,
THIS MACHINE MADE ANOTHER COPY OF THE PERSON OR ANYTHING.whn danton did this magic every time he had to drowned himself(kill himself the fake 1) but when BORDEn found him inside that tank he wanted to save him but he didnt know that it was the fake 1 and part of DANTON trick.at the end u see water tanks .each 1 contains Dead Danton ...similarly the 1 hat of danton made a dozens ,hope u get this mind sucking movie
Bale had a twin brother abd they lived secret lives just for that one trick and jackman was obsessed ( not knowing about the twin) abd put himself through so much just to find out it was a trick all along
THIS MACHINE MADE ANOTHER COPY OF THE PERSON OR ANYTHING.whn danton did this magic every time he had to drowned himself(kill himself the fake 1) but when BORDEn found him inside that tank he wanted to save him but he didnt know that it was the fake 1 and part of DANTON trick.at the end u see water tanks .each 1 contains Dead Danton ...similarly the 1 hat of danton made a dozens ,hope u get this mind sucking movie
Finding the clone at the end of the Movie IS THE REVEAL.
The entire time we are questioning the reality of the machine because Bale is an unreliable narrator (like you said). But when we see the clone... that's the movie's ending note... It's statement that "everything you saw was real"
That's the shock.
There are no currently accepted theories that the machine was not real. For a reason. It's quite obvious
@darkburnout00 I nor anyone i saw the movie with questioned the reality of the machine, they say it was a cloning a machine earlier in the film. and I said Jackman was an unreliable narrator because of his diary, obviously Bale didn't know anything about a cloning machine so why would u question the machine at all
@darkburnout00 He is finally living his act even when no one is around (remember that's very key). when he was unloading those tanks after every show is paralleled to the old Chinese man pretending to be cripple.
It is an interesting concept, and I really do appreciate your viewpoint. But there is just not enough substance to support it (and the final body contradicts it).
The genius in Cutter's final line is that when he FIRST speaks it in the movie... it is from your viewpoint.
the viewer wants to be fooled (THINK IT IS REALITY and misses the trick).
But when he speaks it in the end, it is from mine. We want to be fooled (THINK IT IS A TRICK and misses the reality).
@darkburnout00 Algier's diary is made for Bale and on one else not even the audience. He's telling BALE a story to convince him there was a machine out there. he did this because Bale told him through his diary that basically "there is no machine your in america wasting time and money and i'm still preforming, I got u again Algier, na na na na." Algier gets pissed and plots out this very detailed plan to get Bale arrested making him the winner in the end.
@superasianalert what clones?? look at it again how many clones do u actually see in those tanks at the end do you really see bodies.......Jackman made the whole cloning machine story up the make Bale think he was doing real magic. think about it through the whole movie we are LISTENING to Bale READ Jackman's notebook. Jackman is not talking to us, he wrote that book purely for Bale......classic "unreliable narrator"
The book puts it explicitly that it was his real twin brother. They are real twin brothers, dedicated to keeping their lives a secret all for one trick.
@superasianalert It did work. That's one of the loops the film throws you for. That's why Cutter turned against him at the end, because he subjected all those clones, still living beings, to the same horrible fate that had befallen his wife. At first I was sad that he died because he had suffered so much and the other guy was so arrogant, but when I found out what the other guy went through and that Jackman was drowning others, I didn't feel quite so bad. Take it for what it is.
@WonderWolf13 lets say the machine works for the sake of your argument.......i don't remember Cutter ever seeing those clones and saying "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE" lol Hugh Jackmen didn't want Cutter working behind the scene remember. Cutter never knew about any "clones." Cutter turned on him when he realized Hugh Jackmen was going the let Bale go to jail for a crime he didn't commit.
Never take a Christopher Nolan movie "for what it is" because that's not his style and that's no fun
alright, first stop. This movie is MADE FROM A BOOK. there are no interpretations of whether it was a real cloning machine or not because the BOOK EXPLICITLY states that it was real.
lol, don't wast your time. There is no trick. What you see on screen is what you get.
@darkburnout00 Did Christopher Nolan follow the Batman comic word for word in Batman Begins or in The Dark Knight? NO, Why? because it doesn't matter what the book says i'm talking about the MOVIE Hey Bruce Wayne didn't get training from Ras Al Ghul and Harvey Dent didn't turn into 2-face because of some gas on his face. Look at the Shining or A Clockwork Orange, wear does it say u have to adapt books to movies word for word. it's okay if u got tricked by a movie i did the first 10x I watched it
I'm not quite sure what you're getting at by the "how many clones do you see at the end" thing. Finding just one is enough to justify that the cloning machine works.
Also, what you don't see at the end, and what the film implies, is that Bale goes through each of the tanks at the end and finds a clone in each one. HUNDREDS...
You cannot, it would be dumb of anyone, to think the film implies this huge conspiracy and think that Bale would look at JUST ONE TANK and leave...
@darkburnout00 im getting at that those tanks are all empty, and that one body we're shown in the tank is the only thing i cant explain. one the other hand it could be Root, Jackman body double from earlier in the film.
Wait, WTF? explain this to me. If your theory is correct.
1.) There is a body which caused Bale to go straight to prison. The body that was dunked into the Tank in the final act. This body was taken out, identified by Cutter, and then Buried. The BODY IS NO LONGER IN A TANK.
2.) now there is this final body in the tank at the end. WHY IS IT THERE? Did they just kill Root for fun and put him in a tank for display? There's no reason for this considering they thought Bale was dead
@darkburnout00 like i said that body in the tank is the only thing i can't explain but if the machine works then there is A LOT of things about this movie that doesn't make sense
@darkburnout00 I CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. Ok, Tesla is a clone machine (produces clones), so in order for there to be only 1 wolverine, the clone must be dropped into the tank to die.
They are reading from each other's diaries... makes both of then unreliable
Bale is an unreliable narrator because he is reading from Algier's diary. Just like Algier is an unreliable narrator because he is reading from Bale's diary. They are reading from each other's diaries.
"u wont find the SECRET because YOUR NOT REALLY LOOKING, your not really looking because you want to be FOOLED."
The secret is that what you see is reality, that is the secret (that there is no reveal).
But you won't find it because you're not really looking... You're not looking for truth, science fiction. You're looking for a trick... a reveal to tell you what you are seeing is not real.
You're not looking because you want to be fooled. You want to be told it is a trick.
@darkburnout00 ok im going to put exactly what Cutter says at the end
"Now you're looking for the secret. But you won't find it because of course, you're not really looking. YOU DON'T REALLY WANT TO WORK IT OUT. You want to be fooled."
(hes talking to u darkburnout00, you don't want to work it out)
WHY would he say that you don't really want to work it out, unless there IS SOMETHING TO WORK OUT.
THE MOVIE IS THE MAGIC TRICK, it wants to be figured out that is the brilliance about it
The story is not an original like Inception or Memento. It's from a book, an already determined script that makes the cloning machine's properties very much apparent in its content.
the machine actually works... that's the trick of the movie.
THe "secret" cutter was talking about doesn't exist. there is no secret.
that is the brilliance of the film. The entire time we are watching and wanting something to explain what we are seeing. We want to see something that is logical, something that will be revealed as a trick. The movie explicitly puts the magic in front of our faces, but we subconsciously refuse to fully accept it. We want to be Fooled.
@darkburnout00 no wait............cutter says "u wont find the secret because YOUR NOT REALLY LOOKING, your not really looking because you want to be fooled." so that means you really have to look for the secret because there is one. just like any magic trick in real life, you are shown something impossible (CLONING MACHINE). you accept it, then walk away smiling because.........YOU WANTED TO BE FOOLED. everything in this movie can be explain through my theory. hit me back
WTF! so batman had a twin, i understood that part, but like wolvy here is making clones and shit? kinda kills it with this cloning shit lol
MrM0MO 1 week ago
Hey Pal! The background music is better with the Inception.
AlbertTanstein 2 weeks ago
Nolan is a genius
Hackmoune 2 weeks ago
this movie made me think and I finally figured it out. I "unfooled" myself lol I suppose that this movie isn't much discussed anymore, but If you want to be "unfooled as well then message me
donovanjameson 2 weeks ago
nice editing
jatman12 3 weeks ago
It would take a tremendous amount of energy to produce just a gram of matter.
Thomas314161 1 month ago
@Thomas314161
1 quintillion to be precise.
shain003 1 month ago
This and Inception are both two of my favorite fims.
queenship7 1 month ago
I need the Explanation of the Explanation for this Explanation... Just Kidding dude...
zeromant80 2 months ago
this is a movie that gets better every time you watch it. i could talk about it for daays
bbawatson 2 months ago
Actually I believe that the langford double(knots)were his thing...as he suggested...at the time the girl agrees she can slip it even though Cutter said it would swell its not a wet knot....at the time you see him and her exchange a "OK do it" glance and he does..but i believe it may have been his brother who didn't know when asked. also I noticed when Angier first tests the machine...alone..look where he is..he was transported and his first clone shot him then is what it looks like.
queenship7 2 months ago
There should be an "Inception Explained" video
lbsacris 2 months ago
next up ... Memento explained - have fun with that one !!! =D
disengagejam 2 months ago
Sometimes it would transport you elsewhere and other times it will create clone in the same position?
MrOmniscience 3 months ago
@MrOmniscience No, it would ALWAYS be the main guy and not the clone in the machine and the one that gets transported is the clone. The main Angier is the one that drowns every night but because the clone has the EXACT same memories etc as the main one (right up until he gets cloned) he continues on as if he is the main one.
illevenlickthegravy 2 months ago
ooops dis aint face book
lol
sorry utube
IsaacEyes1991 3 months ago
@IsaacEyes1991 LOL wtf how can u mistake youtube for facebook?
700JSCLIPS007 3 months ago 7
so what time do i have to get up for work tommorrow mum?
IsaacEyes1991 3 months ago
looooooooooooooooooooooooool
IsaacEyes1991 3 months ago
When Angier (Hugh/) first clones himself...was it the clone that he shot...or was it a clone that shot him??...because it seemed @ 3:07 that he transported outside of the machine ("no no wait i'm the [real one?])...and the clone stayed in the machine....which would make sense of the fact he kills off the clones with the trap door...
vStreetStruckv 3 months ago
@vStreetStruckv All the hats and cats that were cloned from Tesla's original machine were the ones that appeared somewhere else. The real Angier is the one that drowns every night but because the clone is an exact duplicate, it shares all the same memories etc as the real Angier right up until the cloning, so it just assumes the role as real Angier when, in fact, the real one drowns. The clone doesn't know it's a clone because it has all the same memories and would believe it's the real/main one
illevenlickthegravy 2 months ago
@illevenlickthegravy actually Angier says at the end that he didn't know which one would be the prestige on a given night (the clone or him), implying that it was a mixture of him and the clone dying every night. So I guess in reality, the "real" Angier died in one of the first couple shows.
MrHurley795 2 months ago
@MrHurley795 I don't think so because the clone is always the one that appeared somewhere else. It was the same for the cloned hats and cats that Tesla said were all exact clones that appeared in the forest. He must've had some idea that the clone was going to be the exact same and so when he was cloned he knew he had the possibility of being a clone or the real one because the memories etc were the same, which may have caused him the confusion to say he didn't know.
illevenlickthegravy 2 months ago
@illevenlickthegravy the back room was filled with those water tanks. there was an Angier in every tak. if the one that appeared somewhere else was the clone, that means that Angier died in the first act because at every show, he dropped into the tank and drowned. he didnt know what Angier would appear where, so he had to drown on purpose so he knew he would die.
MrHurley795 2 months ago
@MrHurley795 Exactly. He didn't know which was going to appear when and then drowned at the end of every act (so the original died in the first show) and the clone didn't know if he was a clone or not and just though he might've survived, thinking it might be his turn next time to die. But because it was an exact duplicate it just assumed Angier's life as normal. The clone always appeared somewhere else.
illevenlickthegravy 2 months ago
So how did bales character know to send jackman to tesla?
fdny9682 3 months ago
@fdny9682 I think Tesla's move to Colorado Springs in 1899 was pretty publicized, and as Bale's character said in the movie, giving him the cipher - key word and "method" Tesla was a way of "ridding ourselves of Angier".
AChrisL 3 months ago
why is their inception music playing.
hailmary7283 3 months ago
When Borden says he didn't know what knot he tied when Hugh Jackman asks him, he really doesn't. Borden's clone tied the knot and the clone was produced from Tesla's machine, and the original borden trained him.
1986alec 3 months ago
@1986alec wow your so wrong, borden had a twin, it wasnt a fucking clone.. did you not watch the movie??!?!?
ShlomoMetzenbaum 3 months ago
@1986alec Lol its his twin. Borden could not have cloned himself with Telsa's machine because Tesla says to Angier "I have just began working on this machine." and also, Tesla and his assistant had no idea of their machine's abilities until Angier became awareof the two cats and all of his "cloned" hats
700JSCLIPS007 3 months ago 8
@1986alec you incompetent fool!! Watch the movie again to prevent posting that kind of bullshit
olipalli1 1 month ago
@olipalli1 you are not a cinematic connoisseur as I am so just shut your trash talking mouth. It was just an insight.
1986alec 1 month ago
it was intentional, he say s at the begginig of the movie that he thinks that tie would work better so its kind of a confrontation with the others, to try to demonstrate he s a better magician, in the end that s the plot
quekosafa 4 months ago
I understand the movie but the one i dont understand is why did christain bale tie a hard knot to that on girls that died in the water thats what i want to know
MrMask23 4 months ago
@MrMask23 well I don't think it was him, I'm pretty sure it was his twin who tied the knot, which is why he said he didn't know and I don't think it was intentional.
700JSCLIPS007 4 months ago 7
@700JSCLIPS007 no, it was him who did it. he didnt use his twin then at all. it was only when the two guys split up to work solo, he just thought that that knot would be more realistic and the audience would believe that she was tied up good. and the girl agreed to it cause she believed him too.. but they were both mistaken. so the whole movie, they are trying to get revenge on each other.
MissMistifyable 4 months ago
@700JSCLIPS007 ur right! thank you!
MrMask23 4 months ago
@700JSCLIPS007 lol true but couldn't he just ask him
angelface794 3 months ago
@MrMask23 He tied the hard knot because he thought the first knot wasnt strong enough to hold her while she was dangling.
charmed7773 3 months ago
@charmed7773 ur right thank you!
MrMask23 3 months ago
@MrMask23 I think it's because of the scene where Cutter tells Borden that he screwed up the knot ("some nights you just don't get it...") and that Julie may possibly fall and break her legs. Borden then suggests the "Langford double" but Cutter informs him that it is not a wet knot. Borden and Julie both agree that they can learn to use the "Langford double" but Angier cuts in and protests.
AChrisL 3 months ago
@MrMask23 Borden tied the difficult knot because he thought it would hold her better when she was being lifted into the tank. In a previous scene, Cutter told Border to take more care with his knots because, if it let go, she would break her leg. Borden replied that the langford double would hold better.
Foxworthy7 2 months ago
@MrMask23 Borden made a deal with a girl to tie some kind of knot, twin did not knew which one it was so he tied a different one, the girl tried to escape from the ropes the way they made a deal, but actually it was a diferent knot, so she got confused
MrErupas 2 months ago
@MrMask23 He tied the "hard" knot because the other knot had a higher chance of coming undone when the crane lifted her up in the air and she could have fallen and been injured. The "hard" knot was safer for her while being lifted into the air, but harder to slip. She insisted she was good enough to do it, but apparently she wasn't.
tllewellyn11 3 weeks ago
great movie!
TheMagicOfArne221 4 months ago
i forgot all about this, read hollywoodmark's comment here, that's why this machine (were this exactly real etc...) makes dupes slightly further away than the original, it's the movement of the Earth,
watch?v=ChjyCR8V2Bg&
JustSomePerson888 4 months ago
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THIS MACHINE MADE ANOTHER COPY OF THE PERSON OR ANYTHING.whn danton did this magic every time he had to drowned himself(kill himself the fake 1) but when BORDEn found him inside that tank he wanted to save him but he didnt know that it was the fake 1 and part of DANTON trick.at the end u see water tanks .each 1 contains Dead Danton ...similarly the 1 hat of danton made a dozens ,hope u get this mind sucking movie
MrHamtaq 4 months ago
People who need to have this movie explained to them, clearly didnt pay attention.
CarlWarnberg 4 months ago
Bale had a twin brother abd they lived secret lives just for that one trick and jackman was obsessed ( not knowing about the twin) abd put himself through so much just to find out it was a trick all along
TheGRIMEYGOBLIN 4 months ago
I still don't get it? Sorry. Can you make another video, this time The Prestige Explained "Explained"...
konqueror1 4 months ago 20
@konqueror1 I'm working on it
700JSCLIPS007 4 months ago
@700JSCLIPS007 Get on it!
konqueror1 4 months ago
@konqueror1
THIS MACHINE MADE ANOTHER COPY OF THE PERSON OR ANYTHING.whn danton did this magic every time he had to drowned himself(kill himself the fake 1) but when BORDEn found him inside that tank he wanted to save him but he didnt know that it was the fake 1 and part of DANTON trick.at the end u see water tanks .each 1 contains Dead Danton ...similarly the 1 hat of danton made a dozens ,hope u get this mind sucking movie
MrHamtaq 4 months ago
@MrHamtaq I already know this...great movie, I was a non-blind stage hand myself for a magic show.
konqueror1 4 months ago
@konqueror1
lolz ;p
MrHamtaq 4 months ago
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@konqueror1 which part do you not understand?
MW2GamepIay 4 months ago
@konqueror1 you really dont want to know the end :)
TheCanuck09 4 months ago
They killed one angier every night...that's the final body..the body from previous acts..
justinjiang 5 months ago
This is why this is my favourite movie, their is so much to discuss...
700JSCLIPS007 6 months ago 2
Finding the clone at the end of the Movie IS THE REVEAL.
The entire time we are questioning the reality of the machine because Bale is an unreliable narrator (like you said). But when we see the clone... that's the movie's ending note... It's statement that "everything you saw was real"
That's the shock.
There are no currently accepted theories that the machine was not real. For a reason. It's quite obvious
darkburnout00 6 months ago
@darkburnout00 I nor anyone i saw the movie with questioned the reality of the machine, they say it was a cloning a machine earlier in the film. and I said Jackman was an unreliable narrator because of his diary, obviously Bale didn't know anything about a cloning machine so why would u question the machine at all
SandmanJr7 6 months ago
@SandmanJr7
Basically there is no way for your theory to explain the final body in the tank (if there is just one).
I, and most others, firmly believe that all the tanks in the room were filled with bodies. Otherwise, why would he have so many tanks?
darkburnout00 6 months ago
@darkburnout00 He is finally living his act even when no one is around (remember that's very key). when he was unloading those tanks after every show is paralleled to the old Chinese man pretending to be cripple.
i'm having fun with this by the way
SandmanJr7 6 months ago
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darkburnout00 6 months ago
@SandmanJr7
It is an interesting concept, and I really do appreciate your viewpoint. But there is just not enough substance to support it (and the final body contradicts it).
The genius in Cutter's final line is that when he FIRST speaks it in the movie... it is from your viewpoint.
the viewer wants to be fooled (THINK IT IS REALITY and misses the trick).
But when he speaks it in the end, it is from mine. We want to be fooled (THINK IT IS A TRICK and misses the reality).
darkburnout00 6 months ago
@darkburnout00 If the machine works, i have some questions that i believe contradicts your viewpoint
Why would Bale tell his arch rival about a machine that can make him a better magician
Why would Jackman willingly kill himself every night just to get Bale arrested
Why would Bale get angry about how Jackman does his trick if hes the one who told him about the machine
Why would Bale and his twin try to figure it the trick using REAL LOGIC if they know this machine exists
some to name a few...
SandmanJr7 6 months ago
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darkburnout00 6 months ago
@SandmanJr7
In fact, most of the movie is narrated by Bale reading from Algier's diary.
This is an important part of the film.
darkburnout00 6 months ago
@darkburnout00 Algier's diary is made for Bale and on one else not even the audience. He's telling BALE a story to convince him there was a machine out there. he did this because Bale told him through his diary that basically "there is no machine your in america wasting time and money and i'm still preforming, I got u again Algier, na na na na." Algier gets pissed and plots out this very detailed plan to get Bale arrested making him the winner in the end.
SandmanJr7 6 months ago
@superasianalert what clones?? look at it again how many clones do u actually see in those tanks at the end do you really see bodies.......Jackman made the whole cloning machine story up the make Bale think he was doing real magic. think about it through the whole movie we are LISTENING to Bale READ Jackman's notebook. Jackman is not talking to us, he wrote that book purely for Bale......classic "unreliable narrator"
SandmanJr7 6 months ago
@superasianalert
The book puts it explicitly that it was his real twin brother. They are real twin brothers, dedicated to keeping their lives a secret all for one trick.
darkburnout00 6 months ago
@superasianalert It did work. That's one of the loops the film throws you for. That's why Cutter turned against him at the end, because he subjected all those clones, still living beings, to the same horrible fate that had befallen his wife. At first I was sad that he died because he had suffered so much and the other guy was so arrogant, but when I found out what the other guy went through and that Jackman was drowning others, I didn't feel quite so bad. Take it for what it is.
WonderWolf13 6 months ago
@WonderWolf13 lets say the machine works for the sake of your argument.......i don't remember Cutter ever seeing those clones and saying "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE" lol Hugh Jackmen didn't want Cutter working behind the scene remember. Cutter never knew about any "clones." Cutter turned on him when he realized Hugh Jackmen was going the let Bale go to jail for a crime he didn't commit.
Never take a Christopher Nolan movie "for what it is" because that's not his style and that's no fun
SandmanJr7 6 months ago
@SandmanJr7
alright, first stop. This movie is MADE FROM A BOOK. there are no interpretations of whether it was a real cloning machine or not because the BOOK EXPLICITLY states that it was real.
lol, don't wast your time. There is no trick. What you see on screen is what you get.
darkburnout00 6 months ago 3
@darkburnout00 Did Christopher Nolan follow the Batman comic word for word in Batman Begins or in The Dark Knight? NO, Why? because it doesn't matter what the book says i'm talking about the MOVIE Hey Bruce Wayne didn't get training from Ras Al Ghul and Harvey Dent didn't turn into 2-face because of some gas on his face. Look at the Shining or A Clockwork Orange, wear does it say u have to adapt books to movies word for word. it's okay if u got tricked by a movie i did the first 10x I watched it
SandmanJr7 6 months ago
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darkburnout00 6 months ago
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darkburnout00 6 months ago
@SandmanJr7
I'm not quite sure what you're getting at by the "how many clones do you see at the end" thing. Finding just one is enough to justify that the cloning machine works.
Also, what you don't see at the end, and what the film implies, is that Bale goes through each of the tanks at the end and finds a clone in each one. HUNDREDS...
You cannot, it would be dumb of anyone, to think the film implies this huge conspiracy and think that Bale would look at JUST ONE TANK and leave...
darkburnout00 6 months ago
@darkburnout00 im getting at that those tanks are all empty, and that one body we're shown in the tank is the only thing i cant explain. one the other hand it could be Root, Jackman body double from earlier in the film.
SandmanJr7 6 months ago
@SandmanJr7
Wait, WTF? explain this to me. If your theory is correct.
1.) There is a body which caused Bale to go straight to prison. The body that was dunked into the Tank in the final act. This body was taken out, identified by Cutter, and then Buried. The BODY IS NO LONGER IN A TANK.
2.) now there is this final body in the tank at the end. WHY IS IT THERE? Did they just kill Root for fun and put him in a tank for display? There's no reason for this considering they thought Bale was dead
darkburnout00 6 months ago
@darkburnout00 like i said that body in the tank is the only thing i can't explain but if the machine works then there is A LOT of things about this movie that doesn't make sense
SandmanJr7 6 months ago
@darkburnout00 I CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. Ok, Tesla is a clone machine (produces clones), so in order for there to be only 1 wolverine, the clone must be dropped into the tank to die.
Ur0pinionDoesntCount 3 months ago
@SandmanJr7
They are reading from each other's diaries... makes both of then unreliable
Bale is an unreliable narrator because he is reading from Algier's diary. Just like Algier is an unreliable narrator because he is reading from Bale's diary. They are reading from each other's diaries.
It is a double sense of suspension.
Which makes the final image all the more powerful
darkburnout00 6 months ago
@SandmanJr7
"u wont find the SECRET because YOUR NOT REALLY LOOKING, your not really looking because you want to be FOOLED."
The secret is that what you see is reality, that is the secret (that there is no reveal).
But you won't find it because you're not really looking... You're not looking for truth, science fiction. You're looking for a trick... a reveal to tell you what you are seeing is not real.
You're not looking because you want to be fooled. You want to be told it is a trick.
darkburnout00 6 months ago
@darkburnout00 ok im going to put exactly what Cutter says at the end
"Now you're looking for the secret. But you won't find it because of course, you're not really looking. YOU DON'T REALLY WANT TO WORK IT OUT. You want to be fooled."
(hes talking to u darkburnout00, you don't want to work it out)
WHY would he say that you don't really want to work it out, unless there IS SOMETHING TO WORK OUT.
THE MOVIE IS THE MAGIC TRICK, it wants to be figured out that is the brilliance about it
SandmanJr7 6 months ago
@SandmanJr7
The story is not an original like Inception or Memento. It's from a book, an already determined script that makes the cloning machine's properties very much apparent in its content.
It's a real machine... does real magic
darkburnout00 6 months ago
Is a Fantastic movie!
700JSCLIPS007 11 months ago 2
the machine dosen't work it never worked thats the real secret cutter was talking about at 5:30-5:53
SandmanJr7 11 months ago
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darkburnout00 6 months ago
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darkburnout00 6 months ago
@SandmanJr7
the machine actually works... that's the trick of the movie.
THe "secret" cutter was talking about doesn't exist. there is no secret.
that is the brilliance of the film. The entire time we are watching and wanting something to explain what we are seeing. We want to see something that is logical, something that will be revealed as a trick. The movie explicitly puts the magic in front of our faces, but we subconsciously refuse to fully accept it. We want to be Fooled.
darkburnout00 6 months ago
@darkburnout00 no wait............cutter says "u wont find the secret because YOUR NOT REALLY LOOKING, your not really looking because you want to be fooled." so that means you really have to look for the secret because there is one. just like any magic trick in real life, you are shown something impossible (CLONING MACHINE). you accept it, then walk away smiling because.........YOU WANTED TO BE FOOLED. everything in this movie can be explain through my theory. hit me back
SandmanJr7 6 months ago