Prophecy and Halo B Comparison

[reloadthat]

Thats an inverted halo too not a halo b stupid

[manike99]

@reloadthat

Actually it's neither. It's a prototype hopper with a completely different system inside it that led to the development of the LTD. And for the record the Halo B and Invert Halo too use exactly the same body shell design.

[XSVPUNKk]

@manike99 owned

[JerryLawsMartin]

this whole time didn't realize my prophecy looked like a halo...

[AChewy2]

prophecy is better than a rotor. cheaper, higher capacity, more options

[superinsanepballa123]

@AChewy2 exactly man i used to be all rotor but PROPHECY FTW LOVE THE THING!!!

[Xuntouchable03]

I FUCKING HATE MY ROTOR AND B2! THE B2 IS WAY TO HIGH AND THE ROTOR JUST SUCKS. THEY FOCUSED ON MAKING IT FAST THAT THEY FORGOT EVERYTHING ELSE! BUT ITS GOOD IM GETTING A PROPHECY THIS WEEKEND!

[AznShinigami]

Hey Simon, When I first got my Prophecy I found that there were some gaps on the body. Just wondering if it was normal, there are gaps on the feedneck, the back of the nose cone and movement of the feed tube. In your videos the feed tube snaps in place, mine just slips and and moves freely. Is there a reason that it has these.

Thanks, Jason

[manike99]

@AznShinigami It usually means the loader isn't assembled properly. Check out the video "Prophecy - Detailed Body Shell Assembly." it will show you what to watch out for and help make sure it is together properly. :)

[AznShinigami]

@manike99 So I put it together as you said and the only gap is the feed neck. The left part of the feedneck sticks out and doesn't connect to the right side. Is there somthing wrong with the left side of the body? I think it would be easier if you could see it.

[manike99]

@AznShinigami Check out the technical section "Ask the Techs" on my simonized forums, and post a picture. I will help you there. :)

[AznShinigami]

@manike99 Alright thanks.

[DCsk8er90]

I'm not sure if it works with an infinity legend u might have to buy something for rf chip

[DCsk8er90]

I would go with the pinokio but that's just me and rf chip is radio frequency there's a microphone on the loader so when u pull the trigger the loader starts feedeng milliseconds before the gun fires

[GeoJordan]

simon dont even try to reason with rotor fanboys.

theyre so far up youngblood's ass that they suffocating on the inferiority of their loader.

[manike99]

@GeoJordan lol. I am actually always interested in constructive criticism, it helps me make better products.

I don't mind people posting opinions, but I would really appreciate it if they can justify their opinions.

Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong, and sometimes they are missing information that may make them see things differently.

The reason the lid system on the Prophecy is so large and easy to load is player feedback. Same with the Quick Load Lid system. I do listen. :)

[riderthewake02]

i was one of them

[TheLargepackage]

ohhh thanks

[TheLargepackage]

because the prophecy falls apart, i have both and the rotor never jams opposed to the proph

[manike99]

If your Prophecy is falling apart it sounds like it isn't together properly... that would also explain why it's jamming. I have a video that shows you how to put it together properly and all the points to look out for as you assemble it.

[riderthewake02]

mine hasnt jamed and i have 29.4 cases through it

[TheLargepackage]

dye rotor is better

[manike99]

Can you tell me why you think that please?

Thanks

[TWiiGLegS]

@manike99 I hate rotor fan boys, i'm trying to get a prophecy because i used my friends LTD this weekend and i feel in love. It's just the money issue right now, i lost my job and i'm mowing yards to get money and helping my grandparents pay or food :/ If you ever see one cheap on PBN message me :]

[RickyM20102011]

simon, is the feedneck the same size as the empire reloader b?

[manike99]

The Prophecy feedneck is slightly smaller than the Reloader B shells.

[RickyM20102011]

in length or thickness?

[manike99]

The diameter is slightly less so it fits guns like the Marq which has a smaller sized feedneck.

It's also a lot shorter so it fits flush into most gun feednecks. You won't ever have to cut it down to look flush like some people did with the older style loaders.

This is shown in the video. :)

[RickyM20102011]

thank you, i was asking because to fit my empire reloader b into an aftermarket feedneck i bought i had to sand it down. I bought my Prophecy yesterday and now i know it will fit.

[manike99]

Awesome. Have fun! :)

[noobtard4896]

im pretty sure that thats a empire not a halo b

[manike99]

It's actually neither. It's a prototype. The body shells are the same for the Empire B and the Halo B, and that's what I was really trying to show. :)

[crayons4president]

wow, I would have had no idea that the Prophecy could hold so much more! It looks so identical! Great designing idea about making it lower to the gun, less hopper hits =)

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[PBplayer1202]

i just noticed the prophecy is longer, weird

[manike99]

They are actually almost identical in length. The Prophecy is just far less tall, so it's proportions look a little longer. The Prophecy also has the feedneck set forward just slightly.

[WoWbob396]

the old halos did their work when they were around but they arent being used as much as they used to =/ so sad =(

[WoWbob396]

manike99 i want you to completely sell me on this hopper and not get a dye rotor because i am playing to get either of the hoppers and simply sell me on it.

[dmk477]

get the rotor. go to a psp or uspl event. look at how many teams are shooting rotors. theres a reason the philly americans, who is a smart parts team, shoots the rotor

[WoWbob396]

yah im getting the rotor i am currently saving up for one because i won a free dp g3 =DDDDD NO SHIPPING =DDDDD

[yourbestfriendsbf]

how did you win a dp g3?

[WoWbob396]

ansgear the forum start up thing

[SPBTsnyder]

ya, cause there not only sponsored by sp, also by dye

[dmk477]

last year at cup they werent

[riderthewake02]

doesnt mean anything they could be sponsored by dye or something

[dmk477]

@riderthewake02 they wouuldnt have been sponsored by dy for just one event. they are now, but they made the choice to shoot the rotors over halos back in the 08' world cup

[Xuntouchable03]

@dmk477 dude the rotor didnt come out until worldcup 2009?? are you retarted?

[manike99]

Please don't make rude or insulting posts if you wish to be able to continue posting on my channel.

The loader in that video is not actually a Halo B nor a Reloader B.

It's a prototype halo in Empire body shells. :-P

I used the term "Halo B" because those body shells are generic and the same across the Halo B and Empire Reloader B line.

The comparison is valid independent of the electronics in the loader or if it is a Halo B or Reloader B. :)

[manike99]

I put Empire Logo's on all my loaders too. :) I think they look cooler.

[egomaniac96]

i want to purchase one of these loaders but dnt k where to get one

[pbGooselag]

get one ebay

[p8ntballer97]

how much are these loaders new?

[pivotdude1]

150

[grimer512345]

Can these take halo speedfeeds? Sorry, don't know if you've said or not

[pivotdude1]

no you have to get a special speedfeed designed just for the prophecy because the feedmouth (i have no idea what the technical term is) is much larger than the standard reloaders and halo's

[pb4bean]

whats the hold up with the release of the prophecy?

[manike99]

There isn't one. They are out on sale. A lot more units will be coming in early this month so that should make it easier to find one.

[pb4bean]

thank you

[paintballrockzz]

those a freakin empire hoppers

[Voudim]

hey Techpb wanted to know if they could buy a loader from you to test it for the loader reball test

[manike99]

I can't sell loaders.

The only way to buy a loader is through one of our authorized dealers.

Try contacting the local Empire dealer and see if they can help.

[CoopsPB]

Are you actually part of Techpb, i.e. do you know mike personally? Or are you some yahoo asking useless questions?

[JugHeadPBreviews]

Whats the free fall bps on the Prophecy

[manike99]

My humorous comment was going to be "Irrelevant" but I know that's not what you want to hear. :-)

The drive carrier holds 15 balls and will spin at up to 5 revolutions per second. That's up to 75BPS in free fall...

BUT the only real numbers that count with loaders is when they are on gun. I just got a new video camera today and filmed some on gun shooting. I'll have the first video (with reballs, because it's raining like crazy in NJ right now) up tonight.

Video's with paint will follow. :)

[JugHeadPBreviews]

yea it is raining like crazy out

[Voudim]

What is the tention on the Empire Prophecy

[manike99]

The tension on the Prophecy is created via attracting and repelling magnets. It's a progressive system and adjustable via the simple changing of magnets in the clutch system which takes seconds and can be done without even taking the loader apart.

[Voudim]

is the feedneck made in the shell?

[manike99]

There is a one piece insert in the middle that gives it strength and transfers the forces out from the feedneck, then there are parts (the outer) of the feedneck that are made in the shell.

It's the strongest feedneck we've ever put on a loader, by far!

[nymet428]

do u no wen they will be out in like the reatalers

[achang28]

Manike99, sorta off topic here, but i'm curious if brushless motors were a consideration when brainstorming on the features of the Prophecy; or even later down the road?

[manike99]

We consider all types of things when designing products. I can't divulge why we make the design decisions we do though. I don't want to give anything away to my competition. :-)

[Smethwick365]

how fast is this loader going to be able to feed?

[bigkalabaw]

hi, how does this compare in BPS wise to the rotor? can it beat the 40bps?

thanks

[manike99]

One of the most important factors in BPS is the gun. To compare loaders you have to put them on the same gun.

Using a highly modified gun with the eyes off is not a real comparison to someone else using a stock gun with the eyes on.

When we put a stock rotor and a stock Prophecy on the same gun the Prophecy allows the gun to reach higher maximum BPS.

[stramel77]

whens it coming out how well does it work with unlubed reballs

[manike99]

Yes it works well with reballs. They should be clean though.

Don't ever use "fake" reballs. The real ones are far, far better.

It will be out in the first week of December.

[DARQMX]

The Reloader with my Freeway and even halo v35 WITH a Magna clutch did not work with reballs or fakes. Simon how can you prove to me that this will work with reballs when it is close to the same tech? I love Empire and all I wear is Empire but I am getting a little skepical with new parts and loaders from Keeaction when they say reballs and jams will be none exhistant but when I spend all this money onto KEEs loaders and it does not work What should I do? Please help me with this Simon. Thanks.

[manike99]

Do you play at an indoor field or are they your own reballs?

How often do you get jams?

If you aren't having any success with the reloader and Freeway I fear the problem is not just the loader.

Are your ball detents good? Are the reballs clean? I need more information to help you.

The Prophecy has a separate drive top and a larger carrier so it can rotate more slowly and be less likely to jam reballs than any loader we have made before. Obviously it has the integrated freeway also.

[DARQMX]

Add me so I can message you. Thanks. I cannot find any other way to PM you.

[fellgoodfox]

ROTOR FTW !!!!!!!!!!!!!! nothing can beat it

[manike99]

Please explain your reasoning behind your statement? How can't it be beat? Why is it FTW?

Thanks

[tjmclean93]

i hope you guys dont infringe on the pinokios nose cone attachment patent cause i really like the prophecy and am planning on buying one

[Smethwick365]

It looks like there isn't a lot of room to use the rip drive

[manike99]

It's tight but functional. If you slide your fingers along the underneath of the loader body it works the rip drive just perfect. :)

[JailBreakJIm]

do some vids with the prophecy with paint in it and slow motion the loader

just ideas

[manike99]

I will be doing a bunch more videos. I've just been a little busy with the SD event, and getting this into production.

Stay tuned. :D

[iamzbatman]

almost completely screw free how sick is that?!

[manike99]

It is COMPLETELY screw free. There isn't a single screw, nut or bolt anywhere in the loader. :D

[iamzbatman]

thats fucking awesome! i want one real bad!!!!

[stewey956]

Faster than 30 BPS I guarantee you that, which is plenty fast for tournaments.

Unless you are one of those who like to show off their new Ego or something.

[stewey956]

This will probably be my next hopper.

[PaintbaLLKinG07]

i have to get myself one of these lol when do the come out