people who say's Aikido not working in street fight , probably never koming out from his own rooms ,never leves ps3 or computer ,so i say to everyone who knows somting abuot martial arts speccial aikido ,leave this poor fat people in peace ,and lets go throwing some uke on trainig :) Peace ! (sory about my language .
To criticize ExpertVillage once more. He could just punch you when you step in. You're not covering your head, nor preventing him from striking in any manner.
Or if he knew Krav Maga, you'd be in a guillotine hold quite quickly. Those are not fun.
@Kintle182 MMA just might include aikido. It's mixed martial arts, it can be any martial arts combined! The point of MMA is to mix martial arts that suit you best. You may choose 3 styles to combine, your opponent may have three others. Think about what your saying!
I like aikido, but I think this is a bad technique! When he steps in and bends down he is off balance. His uke could just step back n pull him to the floor! This may work against a novice, but there are more simpler and effective ways to deal with this kind of attack!
@Pmathews21 True and, @Diabloluslgnis , that is why the atemi is there at the beginning. If you were to train real time with this, the atemi is there as an actual strike to the face to break their focus, distract them, stun them, whatever you need it for. After the hit, they will be dazed for a moment. That's when you step in and perform the throw. As to you being off balance, you really aren't, but Uke will still be dazed when you do the throw so it doesn't really matter as much.
This bullshit is the stupidest piece of shit excuse for a martial art i've ever even heard of. Take a real man martial art, such as, i dont know, the evolution of mixed martial arts?
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@cwkinser Actually it would make more sense to put Aikido into a striking tournament. Aikido is far more about striking than it is about grappling, like 90% striking.
@cwkinser That's because aikido (the traditional and pure one) is ALL DEFENSE. It is not a sport. Imagine two aikido practitioners refusing to initiate an attack. Good TV? This is the reason someone had to make the version combat aikido.
@cwkinser Theorist who are not willing to test it? AIKIDO (or the variation COMBAT AIKIDO) is being taught in police and military academies. And believe you me, they use it in PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS (and not just in the cage, where rules favor grappling). Just because you don't see it on tv as a sport spectacle doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
@cwkinser I'd rather put myself though a thai boxers training regime than a ballet dancers.
It's a big misconception that we expect people to react in real life as an uke does in training when in fact if anything it's the opposite. Uke isn't simulating an attacker they're learning to escape from techniques and how not to be thrown. Aikido ukemi is the basis of counter techniques. Really messes with judoka. Judoka resist themselves into a throw, funny as fuck.
They got it really wrong, my friends! I saw this kind of koshi nage for a couple of times already and can say this is definitely the worse style you can ever perform it! First of all - Nage(person who does the action) is moving in a very opened, unstable position. His opponent can punch him or squeeze his neck, even if done on a very fast speed! And secondly - look at a distance beetween them in a moment before the actual throw - the distance is huge, but there shouldn't be any!!!
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it will work on a 350lb person. I'm 320 and I've been thrown by this exact throw on many occasions by folks alot smaller. As long as you're using legs and hips and not back and arms, you can throw someone much larger with relative ease.
I really Like Aikido ... but the moves seem unpractical ... all the actions have an opponent who never reacts to the wrist grabs .. and the moves seem way too slow...
This is basically a fireman's carry take down, only your not controlling his leg with you free arm, and you don't follow through with the take down and land in a good position on top (I know that is irrelevant for the demonstration since aikido doesn't go to the ground). At the very least I think having a hand inside the persons legs would help you control them during the take down, its very easy for the opponent to take the back with the arm out, or turn and land on there feet.
uh, never mind, he uses his hand on the leg, its just hard to see... you should mention the hand placement in the video, its not implied that you use it on the leg, but it does make the take down a lot stronger.
with resistance the move would look completly different. it would also require a "setup" or prepmove to throw the defender off. I would assume that not enough time is spent on these just as important aspects, being that i have not seen one video about it. That would be why TMAs are not as efficiant as say wrestling or boxing
@ketsan you obviously have no true grappling experience. First of all Aikido is not about "over powering" your opponent. Its about technique, posture, and leverage so that one can have an advantage against a bigger opponent. Do your research.
And as to you second question. Aikidokas are not the only people with good posture. So you actually answered your own question.
@crabbit87 Aikido, Jujutsu and Judo, I know my grappling and I know my Aikido. I can generate more power than a Judoka and my posture is way better because of my Aikido training. I can use sheer brute force if I want to.
@ketsan I am 5'9 and weigh exactly 140lbs. I have not trained consistantly in about 6 years. I dont care if you are 215 of solid muscle with great posture or technique. You will not be able be able pull this technique on me without a setup. No move is unstoppable. Contrary to what you are claiming
@crabbit87 There's a video called "Aikido Koichi Tohei sensei" in the first minute or so Tohei demonstrates his posture, can you do those kind of things?
but sometimes it's important to objectively analyse the effectiveness of the techniques one practises whatever system of martial art one employs. Proficient atemi is vital in any real life fight & IMHO should be used to facilitate the lock/throwing technique which follows it, if using aikido. Without effective atemi, then aikidoka's may have real problems dealing with aggressive assailants on the streets! Cross train in striking & grappling arts such as kyokushin, wing chun kung fu, bjj, etc
@martialway100 have you explored some of Nishio Sensei's work? He was a HIGH grade judoka and karateka before turning to aikido. His waza are beautiful to watch, and when he explains them, simple and effective as he nevers loses sight of the 'martial' part of aikido. He was conscious of O Sensei explaining that aikido was 90% atemi; the atemi setting up the execution of the waza.
I know how to do this technique, but would not use it in reality against a skilled opponent. People say that aikido is useless/ineffective, but generally those people have never really extensively studied or trained in aikido. I have studied many systems of martial arts & there are strengths and weaknesses in all of them. Techniques like the abbreviated form of iriminage, kaitenage, etc definitely have worked when i have needed to apply them in the past. Wouldn't normally comment on you tube
@youngstunna79 hahahaha it worked on yours because your little brother is shorter than you and lighter and cant fight back well this moves doesnt work on some fighters that could fight back really good so shut your crap it only works on your brother
You've obviously not met a dancer. They're very strong, have very good balance and they have excellent timing. The average ballet dancer makes a Thai Boxer look like a joke.
So if you're going to slag off Aikido I suggest you find something intelligent to say about it.
@ketsan makes a thai boxer look like a joke dude ur the joke i would like to have a fight with you i do thai boxing lets see how the dancer can handel left right punche with a leg kick from the shin :D ... ;)
@moe2744 Challenging people to fight on the internet is the weakest, lamest thing in the history of the world. And yes, professional dancers are in better shape than most martial artists.
@papayatomica Ranting in caps lock on the internet is the second-weakest, second-lamest thing in the history of the world. Now, I'm a shitty dancer, but I'm smart enough not to bash dancers. If you do your research, you'll find that many of history's great martial artists are also dancers.
I agree with Crifstar. We were training with kosi this week at our dojo, and I (as uke) found it very easy to headlock or waist-wrap nage into a take down if nage stays stationary. When I am nage and perform this technique, I move laterally across the front of uke instead of remaining stationary and throwing uke across my back or hip. The movement prevents the grab or head lock.
I'm not a big fan of this technique. Uke's free hand just drops to his side instead of grabbing or taking a punch at Nage? That must be some Atemi to make make Uke be so compliant.
Why the argument? Any art is only as good as the practitioner, therefore practising set pieces is a good method for learning the movements and controls. But randoori must be used to gain experience in the chaos that really tests your skills. If there is no chaos and enexpected threat situations can you have really tested your art?
and if uke is compliant is that really martial? find schools that do this and you have your martial arts.
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If you art allows situations to become chaotic is it really a martial art? Take Judo, judo randori happens because judoka have no tools to prevent it. Aikidoka do have those tools so randori becomes impossible.
Im trying to underst the effectiveness of this move because in a real fight when a persons arm is grabbed their initial response is is to tug free, not stand there and allow you to step in, twist your body and then flip them those sequences are just not fast enough to keep that person stationary. anyone agree?
Also like all Aikido techniques it's just a template. It teaches a student all the principles they need to know to make a hip throw work. Then the student can tailor it to their needs or the needs of the situation.
For instance I learned koshi nage and so I find many Judo throws easy to perform because I've learned the principles behind them.
I agree with you and what's worse is that not only these techniques but most of Aikido is ineffective on the street. In an Aikido dojo your partner is very co-operative but on the street it's a different situation.
I feel sorry for the innocent students of Aikido who pay those self proclaimed "masters" thinking that they can protect themselves with this useless art. Aikido is closer to ballet that to martial arts.
Try to understand Aikido then, It was based around disarming techniques, if you want to study the art then look for a dojo that has a more applied, direct and not classical application... it is a fallacy that any martial art is good for self defence, none really are and you can see all martial arts in every other martial art. Ko-shi-nage is about disarming a swordsman and throwing him, relevance in this era? none! I practice aikido also and ours does work, very effective, very direct
I agree that most of today's martial arts are a joke especially the classical or traditional styles when it comes to self defense! One of the main reasons is because of poor training methods and not practiced with realism, belt/rank system and commercialization (selling uniforms, gear, testing, etc.).
It is so bad that I think students should sue their school if their style fails them in a self defense situation. Only then will those fraud "masters" and their schools go.
Relevence in this era? Koshi nage teaches the principles common in all hip throws so you can create your own as the situation demands. It's a template, it saves you having to learn a dozen or more hip throws each of which is so specialised that it only functions in one situation.
I would like to see an Akido black belt go against a more aggressive martial artist. He will very quickly find out the hard way that Aikido is useless because it relies on the opponent over committing!
Really, and how exactly is uke over commiting here? Cuz to me he looks like he's standing perfectly still. he's not even attacking and guess what, tori can still throw him.
In fact if you watch very carefully he does this really amazing thing with his back foot, he like picks his foot up and moves it towards uke. We call this "stepping." By "stepping" Aikidoka can move in to do a technique, even though our opponent isn't coming forward. So it doesn't matter if their attack is "over committed" or not providing our technique is committed.
Next time pay attention to what's being shown on the video.
Next time pay attention to what's being said in my comment. What I said was a criticism of Aikido in general not specifically about this video.
Obviously Aikidoka live in a bubble, a fantasy that their techniques will work without ever testing it's effectiveness in a realistic situation.
Like I said before, I would like to see an Aikido black belt go against another martial artist from a more aggressive style. Only then your bubble or delusions about the effectiveness of Aikido will burst.
To flip it around, can you stop 10-14 stone of charging Aikidoka with a jab? Bearing in mind his guard is up and forward protecting the head and upper body.
Could you stop the Aikidoka with a roundhouse kick? I've yet to see anyone do it.
how so? it relies on a committed attack that is then manipulated and the energy redirected, just looking at your other comments it is very clear that you have only looked at the classical application which indeed won't work, that is a granted in all martial arts, what martial art do you study? I bet it won't work in the street, few rarely do and please don't say BJJ, only effective against 1 opponent
The most important factor to a real martial artist is TRAINING methods. These training methods must be effective and realistic. When your Aikido dojo partner comes at you over committed, lacking serious fighting skills, unrealistic in the drills, you are not getting any practical training. Just this alone without going into the fundamental problems of the style puts Aikido at the bottom of the other martial arts. Again you are wrong, I don't do BJJ, your assumptions show poor judgment.
Ai hamni katate dori, gakyu hami katate dori, ushiro kubi jime, kata dori shomen uchi, kata dori tsuki, ryote dori, morote dori. None of these are over committed.
They all require tori to generate massive power with their hips and tai sabaki.
There are no techniques there are no drills there is only raw power and knowledge of anatomy, that's Aikido.
@ketsan ... well, Aihanmi is a starting position.. but u have said "Aihanmi katetdori", that is an attack (an aggression), so there is energy to manipulate.. especially if the uke will start the katatedori with rage...
Don't think it really makes any difference to be honest. They're not moving, there is no kinetic energy to work with, tori has to do all the work themselves. That's the basis of Aikido. Later on you learn to blend your power with ukes but you start off by developing your own power. When you can move a stationary uke with your hips then you move onto a moving uke and then onto an uke that's locking your technique down.
come on in a real fight no one stands there for you to grab, place your feet in, and then twist your body to flip them thats so much effort for minimum damage to the opponent. i need to see these guys attack with real SPEED! and see an effective response in order for me to say this will prevent me from getting a wooping in the streets.
I've watched a few of your vids. Most of what you've said would be right at home in an Aikido dojo, apart from differences between the priorites of a striking art compared with a grappling art. You strike where we'd take hold and throw, etc. Although your thing about ground work, that was shoddy, there's more to newaza than ground and pound although I'll agree that newaza is not for street fighting.
Oh I've seen more than enough. Aikido is standing BJJ and is equally effective against strikers. At their core they're the same strategy, the only effective strategy there is.
You look and yet do not see. In aikido we take the attacker's ki or intent by redirecting his energy,again his ki. How is this done ? by deflecting his attack with another attack thus creating a one second opening to allow us to enter or perform the technique that's available. Aikido is 90% atemi!(strike)!!
All martial arts claim to be self defence., it isn't a technical distinction, it's sound PR. No-one says "Our art is an attacking art" even if like Thai boxing every technique is offensive. It's better to describe Aikido as counter offensive rather than defencive.
You've confused the art and it's techniques. The art as a whole is not really fighting, but it uses the process of learning how to fight to teach all the other things.
If you prep someone for a life and death fight you prep them to handle just about anything else life can throw at them as well.
Of course it wouldn't happen in a real fight. I is important to understand that this is, in fact, a demonstration. Have a little respect, and maybe train a little at a dojo before you start bashing.
The way I train, we have the classical version of the technique, and then the application. The classical technique is the formal way of doing it. Classical is the complete technique, where ending stance and every little detail matters. The applied technique is the essence, the usable and effective version. Although this video isn't of classical over-the-back, its quite akin. You also have to keep in mind that this is YouTube, if you want to see the technique applied, go visit a dojo.
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Don't think anybody besides O sensei will ever know what they're doing. Why? Because the fundamental principle of this martial art prevents them from ever putting it to a real test/competition. After O sensei refined his own personal techniques he successfully dropped well-trained opponents of other MA schools. But he never allowed his students to do the same. He asked them to learn Ukemi and receive his throws. That's it. The first generation of students of aikido were sub-par from the start.
the other interesting aspect of Aikido is that it trains one against multiple attackers. No offense to BJJ but it seems like it's a one-on-one martial art.
No offense to Aikido (actually, offense intended), but their randori is completely impractical, my friend. 2 ppl running at you side by side and letting you push them away and repeating over and over? It's like watching a cartoon!!!!
The only art I've ever seen that helps with multiple attackers is Krav, and even that might not work in such a situation, so there you go.
And if you want to talk about BJJ, does Aikido even have groundfighting?
I'm not sure- I am contemplating taking it. I have also been checking out Kenpo, Wing Chun, and Shotokan Karate. I have studied Tae Kwon Do and Kung Fu so I have had some grounding in martial arts before. I think any good fighter must know various styles to be able to improvise to any given attack. It's not as straightforward as we see in the movies or even cage matches where there are rules.
Totally agree. I'm not saying this style or that style is the best in the world; I'm simply saying Aikido is one of the most impractical in terms of self defense.
Muay Thai, JKD, BJJ for groundfighting, Sambo, kickboxing and western boxing all seem to have very practical application. Krav Maga seems the most realistic, though.
I think it does depend on the sensei though. I know that those who teach Aikido with atemi would be the way to go for myself. Although I admire the precept of the art that acts strictly as a defensive position, I think, realistically, there needs to be some development of strikes in order to put away the first of possibly a few attackers.
By the way, I noticed that our exchange has been quite civil. I expect that if one treats those as they would like to be treated, calm rational conversations can ensue. I thank you for your perspective even if we still might not completely see eye-to-eye at the end of the day.
I'm happy to discuss things with you because you're rational and reasonable, which is why there's no animosity here.
I would agree with you philosophy regarding the use of strikes when facing multiple attackers. Krav Maga has an interesting technique called 360 Defense, which they use for such situations. I'm told Systema is somewhat similar in its practicality.
i most recently studied Shaolin Kung Fu. I did not do that too long- got a few belts worth. I found it impractical for self defense and worse, it promoted some aggressive tendencies. A friend who was a black sash showed me some strikes that were just terrible- they would do terrible things to the human anatomy. Wish I hadn't learned them to be honest.
Don't take this the wrong way but I do not wish to impart them. The fact that I have not seen them demonstrated anywhere on YouTube is a testimony to the fact that they should not be common knowledge, especially for inexperienced or undisciplined students/people. The reason these moves are learned at the black sash level is to prevent someone from applying them which would result in killing someone.
If you put someone from anyone or any combination of those arts in Aikido randori they'd get owned. An uke in randori has one objective and that's to charge you down. If you try kickboxing them you might get one kick or punch in before you're taken down and then you're in a ground fight with four people.
I've done Aikido randori and I've done Judo randori and Jujutsu randori so my facts are well observed. On four man attack if you take a strong enough posture from which to strike from you will make yourself immobile and you'll end up with four people dragging you down. That's randori and that's what would happen in the street. It's far more realistic than having one guy try and kick box you, that never happens in real life.
If randori is so easy let's see your video, lets see you do it.
I'm not homophobic, nor am I a homosexual. That you are doesn't make me one.
Where do you get your statistic that most fights are multiple attackers vs 1? Are you confusing things with your sexual fantasy for having a multiple men run a train on you?
I disagree; I believe most fights are one-on-one, but you're right- many fights are 1 vs many.
That said; Aikido randori is a caricature of such a situation (and a bad one at that), so my point still stands: I-M-P-R-A-C-T-I-C-A-L.
If you're not homosexual why talk about it so much?
You don't get out much do you? The vast majority of violence is alcohol related if you want to see real fights go out on a saturday night. 1v1 just doesn't happen, people have these things called friends who tend to jump into fights. So what starts off as a 1v1 thing becomes 6v7 or whatever in about 10 seconds flat.
Watch the CCTV footage. You don't get nice little controled sparring matches, you get anger and hate fueled attacks.
All this gay stuff is coming out of your mind, not mine.
Citations are not required when something regarded as common knowledge is stated.
Actually it trains you to just keep moving and get out of their asap, and not to bother with anything fancy or even to bother trying to fight, it prepares you mentally for no win situations.
Of course no matter what your criticisms of it are you don't have anything better, you don't even do Aikido so your criticisms are all theoretical anyway.
Bu bun ich, that's what I tell them. Read up on koryu bujutsu get to know the mindset of the people responsible for koryu bujutsu. Read up on kata, not individual kata but how kata is used and the thinking behind it as a teaching tool.
Read anything by Lowry, Amdur or Turnbull and every Japanese text on bujutsu. Traditions by Dave Lowry is a particularly good book.
If they're in my dojo I'd pass on a few kuden which really clear things up, but obviously they're not for youtube.
What's so bad about being gay? Anyway. Fights I've been in let's see:
1. I was 14 the chavs were 16, there was about 7 of them against one of me and 2 girls, the other guy in our group had walked off ahead with 4 other girls.
2. 30 chavs against my sister, me, and 3 guys. Boy did I have to save my sister that night(I know nothing about martial arts btw).
3. 5 chavs, 4 chavettes against me, drunk as a skunk, 2 other guys and 5 girls.
I did not initiate any fights but none of them 1 v 1.
You mean outside? Unfortunately that's how it is these days. It happens all around where I live. So not going out is not really an option. thank you for looking out for my safety though.
Seriously, ending every comment calling the other guy gay, makes you out to be a right prick.
Fighting styles and training are only as impractical as the person trying to apply them. The point is to learn the technique in it's optimum scenario and to learn it's limits and when it will not work, and to develop the reactions so that when something WILL work you can move without thinking.
everyone can argue about aikido but if you really studied aikido over a few months youw ould know its not a girly at all. I think alot of girls struggle more in aikido then the boys do because it contains streangth without really needing to emphesize it .
Randori isn't like that. It's much closer to Judo randori. If one of those ukes gets a grip on you they'll take you to the ground. You can end up on the bottom of a pile of 5 people really quite easily.
If it get's to the stage where it's like watching a cartoon the guy in the middle is very good because normally it looks very scrappy. Normally it is very scrappy.
Also, i've never seen a jui jitsu fight (i've seen 2, both were black belts) end with the BJJ guy on his feet. Rowdy guy starts and they grapple them down, great. Except that one guy grappled at closing time and the BJJ guy ended up with glass in his back. the other guy nearly won, till the guys mate stamped on his face. Why do you end all your fights on the floor (show me a youtube video stating otherwise) it's dangerous, people rarely attack alone!
Im always reading how my stle is better than yours crap. The style is only as good as a martial artist using it
Also BJJ is just like Aikido in that it doesn't answer all the questions of a street fight, in fact it answers very few. I'd love to see BJJ grapple multiple opponents. Whenever Isee you guys pin/choke, you're always on the floor, fucked if there's two other guys You have no fast throws, they all take 'loads'. one martial art was specifically designed for street fights, that was JKD.
i cannot see this being usefull in everyday street self defence...way too complex.... just a dojo showing off manoeuvre... too much time for attacker to get you round the throat here..?
actually when you reach like black belt level you have exetremely good reflexes in doing it and it work pretty good just learn another martial art to back it up
Tae Kwon Doe is actually a combat version of karate, its upgrade by korean soldiers during the war. thats y it aided u but its more of an attack than defense. aikido and tae kwon doe r completely oppoosite
i agree with ur comment on jujitsu not being very effective in bar fights..but it IS prtty useful when on the ground n tryin to either get out or counter. im korean n i respect TKD alot. but i find muay thai mor effective cuz TKD is too reliant on feet n the high kicks cant b countered easily. muay thai's nickname is "science of 8 limbs" implyin dat u use every part of ur body dat can b used as weapon
I have studied many martial arts over the years and all have their benefits. I have studied Jujitsu, Aikido, Muey Thai, Karate and Vale Tudo. Many of these diciplines can be expressed in many ways; as an art, as a tool, as a weapon. I don't think they should be used in a 'My dad could beat up your dad' context. That just destroys the whole beauty of it.
I have studied many martial arts over the years and all have their benefits. I have studied Jujitsu, Aikido, Muey Thai, Karate and Vale Tudo. Many of these diciplines can be expressed in many ways; as an art, as a tool, as a weapon. I don't think they should be used in a 'My dad could beat up your dad' context. That just destroys the whole beauty of it.
Iv read through the comments aired here about Aikido. And ive seen the most arrogant and ignorant statements ever.
One can ALWAYS learn something valuable from ANY art form...
And to anybody that makes stupid challenges as iv read here about "Come to my club ill take you on..." Bullsh@t buddy... You clearly have no idea what a real fight is!!!! Usually the winner is the guy that dies last... Is that egotistical prize worth it?
They're not trying to act japanese. It's a Japanese art, there are concepts from japanese culture that don't translate into English just as there are concepts from western culture that don't translate into Japanese.
If we want to learn from each other we have to lean to do things from each others perspective.
Im sorry but I must disagree with that notion. True it is a Japanese art form. But just like any Japanese or Chinese art form. It was adopted by another culture. Karate they studied boxing and wrestling from Romans. Also Kung Fu was from a traveling Indian monk. Who made his way to China. So it is fine to take things or ideas from another culture. But taking on there lifestyles, tradition and language is something different in its self.
I'm not taking on a Japanese life style, if I did I'd be far more western than I am!
I practice Aikido and I use Japanese terminology and when I practice I wear a gi, which is actually as western as it is Japanese, the Japanese never wore trousers until the 1900's.
Outside of Aikido I speak English, drink German beer, Russian vodka and French Absinth. I listen to music and read books from all over the world. I eat italian pizza.
hey can anybody tell me what to eat to gain a lot of stamina? please? oh yeah and what style should I learn ? my friend knows aikido and i need to beat him up. (not in a bad way but in a fun way) hes kinda fat and im really small and skinny compared to him so i need a stile that can easily take down a big fellow. PLEASE HELP!!
Mate you can't eat to improve your stamina, you have to exercise. Improve your aerobic fitness and your stamina will come. As for what art to take, well that depends on what you hope to achieve: think about what you want to get out of an art and what would suit you... oh and don't just go and blindly sign up for some "MMA" school just because everyone else seems to be!
every martial arts system has good and bad not everyone is suited for jj,aikido or any other style just pick the one that you like and enjoy it. peace
My man, if you think that Aikido randori is realistic training for multiple attackers, you're just another brainwashed Aikido loser.
In real fights, three guys don't come running at you from the center, slowing down so you can "throw" each one before it's their turn (I saw "throw" because they jump for you in Aikido). They come at all sides and directions, and they're not reaching their arms out for you to grab, they're taking you down and fucking you up.
people who say's Aikido not working in street fight , probably never koming out from his own rooms ,never leves ps3 or computer ,so i say to everyone who knows somting abuot martial arts speccial aikido ,leave this poor fat people in peace ,and lets go throwing some uke on trainig :) Peace ! (sory about my language .
maverick8228 2 weeks ago
ACCORDING TO ME AIKIDO REALLY WORKS IN EVERY SITUATION IT JUST DEPENDS ON U HOW U DO IT :)
Siddharth7195 1 month ago
To criticize ExpertVillage once more. He could just punch you when you step in. You're not covering your head, nor preventing him from striking in any manner.
Or if he knew Krav Maga, you'd be in a guillotine hold quite quickly. Those are not fun.
DiabolusIgnis 4 months ago
@Kintle182 MMA just might include aikido. It's mixed martial arts, it can be any martial arts combined! The point of MMA is to mix martial arts that suit you best. You may choose 3 styles to combine, your opponent may have three others. Think about what your saying!
Pmathews21 5 months ago
I like aikido, but I think this is a bad technique! When he steps in and bends down he is off balance. His uke could just step back n pull him to the floor! This may work against a novice, but there are more simpler and effective ways to deal with this kind of attack!
Pmathews21 5 months ago
@Pmathews21 True and, @Diabloluslgnis , that is why the atemi is there at the beginning. If you were to train real time with this, the atemi is there as an actual strike to the face to break their focus, distract them, stun them, whatever you need it for. After the hit, they will be dazed for a moment. That's when you step in and perform the throw. As to you being off balance, you really aren't, but Uke will still be dazed when you do the throw so it doesn't really matter as much.
StormbringerStudios 4 months ago
This bullshit is the stupidest piece of shit excuse for a martial art i've ever even heard of. Take a real man martial art, such as, i dont know, the evolution of mixed martial arts?
kintle182 7 months ago
@kintle182 come back and say that once you've been destroyed by an Aikido martial artist!
WhitakerSJA 6 months ago
muchos critican y critican lo importante en las artes marciales es que te sientas agusto contigo mismo y con la diciplina que practicas sin importar cual sea. soy pracicante de fullcontac elias drago y aikido aikikai. saludos.
saitopit 8 months ago
m'kay.
AcousticJamesSGP 9 months ago
@cwkinser Actually it would make more sense to put Aikido into a striking tournament. Aikido is far more about striking than it is about grappling, like 90% striking.
ketsan 9 months ago
@cwkinser That's because aikido (the traditional and pure one) is ALL DEFENSE. It is not a sport. Imagine two aikido practitioners refusing to initiate an attack. Good TV? This is the reason someone had to make the version combat aikido.
dondiemarte 9 months ago
@cwkinser Umm you made the original claim, you post the videos of Aikido not working.
ketsan 9 months ago
@cwkinser Theorist who are not willing to test it? AIKIDO (or the variation COMBAT AIKIDO) is being taught in police and military academies. And believe you me, they use it in PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS (and not just in the cage, where rules favor grappling). Just because you don't see it on tv as a sport spectacle doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
dondiemarte 9 months ago
what happens when flails his fist at the back of your head?
K3dzz 10 months ago
@cwkinser I'd rather put myself though a thai boxers training regime than a ballet dancers.
It's a big misconception that we expect people to react in real life as an uke does in training when in fact if anything it's the opposite. Uke isn't simulating an attacker they're learning to escape from techniques and how not to be thrown. Aikido ukemi is the basis of counter techniques. Really messes with judoka. Judoka resist themselves into a throw, funny as fuck.
ketsan 10 months ago
i dont realy like the place where u are training. its kind of unrealaxing.
GokiGandalf 10 months ago
@GokiGandalf Yeah
vboxeca 10 months ago
so advanced. maaan
Jenivera 10 months ago
Cool.
Looks like someone with aikido experience could do a real good job at judo competitions.
Btw, gratz for the video.
brunozxch2o 11 months ago
They got it really wrong, my friends! I saw this kind of koshi nage for a couple of times already and can say this is definitely the worse style you can ever perform it! First of all - Nage(person who does the action) is moving in a very opened, unstable position. His opponent can punch him or squeeze his neck, even if done on a very fast speed! And secondly - look at a distance beetween them in a moment before the actual throw - the distance is huge, but there shouldn't be any!!!
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nikinilakmali 1 year ago
Where´s the forward punch?
Flavioxeneize 1 year ago
woah... im learning aikido without getting hurt by my teacher!
but i think it is better to feel the pain to be that good.
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martialartguyxxx 1 year ago
it will work on a 350lb person. I'm 320 and I've been thrown by this exact throw on many occasions by folks alot smaller. As long as you're using legs and hips and not back and arms, you can throw someone much larger with relative ease.
claudiobrother1 1 year ago
Now would this work on a 350 lb oppent?
bigdaddyx2009 1 year ago
Excellent. Hope one day I learn these techniques.
karunamaya 1 year ago
I really Like Aikido ... but the moves seem unpractical ... all the actions have an opponent who never reacts to the wrist grabs .. and the moves seem way too slow...
Fishbones2studios 1 year ago
@Fishbones2studios thats cuz you dont wanna hurt your partner
UrMomzDED 1 year ago
This is basically a fireman's carry take down, only your not controlling his leg with you free arm, and you don't follow through with the take down and land in a good position on top (I know that is irrelevant for the demonstration since aikido doesn't go to the ground). At the very least I think having a hand inside the persons legs would help you control them during the take down, its very easy for the opponent to take the back with the arm out, or turn and land on there feet.
midilodical 1 year ago
uh, never mind, he uses his hand on the leg, its just hard to see... you should mention the hand placement in the video, its not implied that you use it on the leg, but it does make the take down a lot stronger.
midilodical 1 year ago
with resistance the move would look completly different. it would also require a "setup" or prepmove to throw the defender off. I would assume that not enough time is spent on these just as important aspects, being that i have not seen one video about it. That would be why TMAs are not as efficiant as say wrestling or boxing
crabbit87 1 year ago
@crabbit87 Why do you need a setup if your posture can't be broken? Why do you need a setup if you can simply overpower the person?
ketsan 1 year ago
@ketsan you obviously have no true grappling experience. First of all Aikido is not about "over powering" your opponent. Its about technique, posture, and leverage so that one can have an advantage against a bigger opponent. Do your research.
And as to you second question. Aikidokas are not the only people with good posture. So you actually answered your own question.
crabbit87 1 year ago
@crabbit87 Aikido, Jujutsu and Judo, I know my grappling and I know my Aikido. I can generate more power than a Judoka and my posture is way better because of my Aikido training. I can use sheer brute force if I want to.
ketsan 1 year ago
@ketsan I am 5'9 and weigh exactly 140lbs. I have not trained consistantly in about 6 years. I dont care if you are 215 of solid muscle with great posture or technique. You will not be able be able pull this technique on me without a setup. No move is unstoppable. Contrary to what you are claiming
crabbit87 1 year ago
@crabbit87 What if you weighed 800lbs of solid muscle?
ketsan 1 year ago
@ketsan still no. where my arm goes, so does my base
crabbit87 1 year ago
@crabbit87 There's a video called "Aikido Koichi Tohei sensei" in the first minute or so Tohei demonstrates his posture, can you do those kind of things?
ketsan 1 year ago
@ketsan yes just long enough to get my hips around the attack. fin
crabbit87 1 year ago
@crabbit87 gotta have that setup
crabbit87 1 year ago
@crabbit87 Sounds like you have really bad posture
ketsan 1 year ago
@ketsan Water has no posture my friend
crabbit87 1 year ago
but sometimes it's important to objectively analyse the effectiveness of the techniques one practises whatever system of martial art one employs. Proficient atemi is vital in any real life fight & IMHO should be used to facilitate the lock/throwing technique which follows it, if using aikido. Without effective atemi, then aikidoka's may have real problems dealing with aggressive assailants on the streets! Cross train in striking & grappling arts such as kyokushin, wing chun kung fu, bjj, etc
martialway100 1 year ago
@martialway100 have you explored some of Nishio Sensei's work? He was a HIGH grade judoka and karateka before turning to aikido. His waza are beautiful to watch, and when he explains them, simple and effective as he nevers loses sight of the 'martial' part of aikido. He was conscious of O Sensei explaining that aikido was 90% atemi; the atemi setting up the execution of the waza.
sisabra 1 year ago
I know how to do this technique, but would not use it in reality against a skilled opponent. People say that aikido is useless/ineffective, but generally those people have never really extensively studied or trained in aikido. I have studied many systems of martial arts & there are strengths and weaknesses in all of them. Techniques like the abbreviated form of iriminage, kaitenage, etc definitely have worked when i have needed to apply them in the past. Wouldn't normally comment on you tube
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DJCRAZY1989 2 years ago
fuckin lame.. id like to see him do that to fedor emelianenko or randy couture.. u know? some one who actually knows how to fight
axlslice 2 years ago
Dis move works, it worked on my little brother.
youngstunna79 2 years ago 5
@youngstunna79 hahahaha it worked on yours because your little brother is shorter than you and lighter and cant fight back well this moves doesnt work on some fighters that could fight back really good so shut your crap it only works on your brother
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Jackthemeat 2 years ago
You've obviously not met a dancer. They're very strong, have very good balance and they have excellent timing. The average ballet dancer makes a Thai Boxer look like a joke.
So if you're going to slag off Aikido I suggest you find something intelligent to say about it.
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Jackthemeat 2 years ago
I'm stunned by the intelligence of your reply. Well done.
ketsan 2 years ago 19
@ketsan makes a thai boxer look like a joke dude ur the joke i would like to have a fight with you i do thai boxing lets see how the dancer can handel left right punche with a leg kick from the shin :D ... ;)
moe2744 1 year ago
@moe2744 Umm, same way BJJer does, enters in, takes hold, moves through, takes down, stomps.
ketsan 1 year ago
@moe2744 Challenging people to fight on the internet is the weakest, lamest thing in the history of the world. And yes, professional dancers are in better shape than most martial artists.
storyacoustic 1 year ago
@storyacoustic who asked you fag dancer..:D lol
moe2744 1 year ago
@storyacoustic WHO CARES, ASK THEM TO FIGHT THE DANCER STARTS CRYING OVER AN BROKEN NAIL SO FUCK YOU HOMO
papayatomica 1 year ago
@papayatomica Ranting in caps lock on the internet is the second-weakest, second-lamest thing in the history of the world. Now, I'm a shitty dancer, but I'm smart enough not to bash dancers. If you do your research, you'll find that many of history's great martial artists are also dancers.
storyacoustic 1 year ago
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GhostfogND 10 months ago
I agree with Crifstar. We were training with kosi this week at our dojo, and I (as uke) found it very easy to headlock or waist-wrap nage into a take down if nage stays stationary. When I am nage and perform this technique, I move laterally across the front of uke instead of remaining stationary and throwing uke across my back or hip. The movement prevents the grab or head lock.
vinatt1990 2 years ago
I'm not a big fan of this technique. Uke's free hand just drops to his side instead of grabbing or taking a punch at Nage? That must be some Atemi to make make Uke be so compliant.
Crifstar 2 years ago
brilliant
Vausgorn 2 years ago
Why the argument? Any art is only as good as the practitioner, therefore practising set pieces is a good method for learning the movements and controls. But randoori must be used to gain experience in the chaos that really tests your skills. If there is no chaos and enexpected threat situations can you have really tested your art?
and if uke is compliant is that really martial? find schools that do this and you have your martial arts.
sisabra 2 years ago 2
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If you art allows situations to become chaotic is it really a martial art? Take Judo, judo randori happens because judoka have no tools to prevent it. Aikidoka do have those tools so randori becomes impossible.
ketsan 2 years ago
exactly man....
shakou1 2 years ago
Im trying to underst the effectiveness of this move because in a real fight when a persons arm is grabbed their initial response is is to tug free, not stand there and allow you to step in, twist your body and then flip them those sequences are just not fast enough to keep that person stationary. anyone agree?
EHealthnFitness 2 years ago
You can grab anywhere, doesn't have to be their arm and it doesn't have to be in response to an attack.
ketsan 2 years ago
Also like all Aikido techniques it's just a template. It teaches a student all the principles they need to know to make a hip throw work. Then the student can tailor it to their needs or the needs of the situation.
For instance I learned koshi nage and so I find many Judo throws easy to perform because I've learned the principles behind them.
ketsan 2 years ago
I agree with you and what's worse is that not only these techniques but most of Aikido is ineffective on the street. In an Aikido dojo your partner is very co-operative but on the street it's a different situation.
I feel sorry for the innocent students of Aikido who pay those self proclaimed "masters" thinking that they can protect themselves with this useless art. Aikido is closer to ballet that to martial arts.
CitizenOfUtube 2 years ago
Try to understand Aikido then, It was based around disarming techniques, if you want to study the art then look for a dojo that has a more applied, direct and not classical application... it is a fallacy that any martial art is good for self defence, none really are and you can see all martial arts in every other martial art. Ko-shi-nage is about disarming a swordsman and throwing him, relevance in this era? none! I practice aikido also and ours does work, very effective, very direct
shakou1 2 years ago
I agree that most of today's martial arts are a joke especially the classical or traditional styles when it comes to self defense! One of the main reasons is because of poor training methods and not practiced with realism, belt/rank system and commercialization (selling uniforms, gear, testing, etc.).
It is so bad that I think students should sue their school if their style fails them in a self defense situation. Only then will those fraud "masters" and their schools go.
CitizenOfUtube 2 years ago
Relevence in this era? Koshi nage teaches the principles common in all hip throws so you can create your own as the situation demands. It's a template, it saves you having to learn a dozen or more hip throws each of which is so specialised that it only functions in one situation.
ketsan 2 years ago
I would like to see an Akido black belt go against a more aggressive martial artist. He will very quickly find out the hard way that Aikido is useless because it relies on the opponent over committing!
CitizenOfUtube 2 years ago
Really, and how exactly is uke over commiting here? Cuz to me he looks like he's standing perfectly still. he's not even attacking and guess what, tori can still throw him.
ketsan 2 years ago
In fact if you watch very carefully he does this really amazing thing with his back foot, he like picks his foot up and moves it towards uke. We call this "stepping." By "stepping" Aikidoka can move in to do a technique, even though our opponent isn't coming forward. So it doesn't matter if their attack is "over committed" or not providing our technique is committed.
Next time pay attention to what's being shown on the video.
ketsan 2 years ago
Next time pay attention to what's being said in my comment. What I said was a criticism of Aikido in general not specifically about this video.
Obviously Aikidoka live in a bubble, a fantasy that their techniques will work without ever testing it's effectiveness in a realistic situation.
Like I said before, I would like to see an Aikido black belt go against another martial artist from a more aggressive style. Only then your bubble or delusions about the effectiveness of Aikido will burst.
CitizenOfUtube 2 years ago
My comment was a rebuttle of the criticism generally, not just in response to this video.
Aikido is very aggressive, we always move forward to grapple with the opponent.
ketsan 2 years ago
To flip it around, can you stop 10-14 stone of charging Aikidoka with a jab? Bearing in mind his guard is up and forward protecting the head and upper body.
Could you stop the Aikidoka with a roundhouse kick? I've yet to see anyone do it.
ketsan 2 years ago
how so? it relies on a committed attack that is then manipulated and the energy redirected, just looking at your other comments it is very clear that you have only looked at the classical application which indeed won't work, that is a granted in all martial arts, what martial art do you study? I bet it won't work in the street, few rarely do and please don't say BJJ, only effective against 1 opponent
shakou1 2 years ago
The most important factor to a real martial artist is TRAINING methods. These training methods must be effective and realistic. When your Aikido dojo partner comes at you over committed, lacking serious fighting skills, unrealistic in the drills, you are not getting any practical training. Just this alone without going into the fundamental problems of the style puts Aikido at the bottom of the other martial arts. Again you are wrong, I don't do BJJ, your assumptions show poor judgment.
CitizenOfUtube 2 years ago
Ai hamni katate dori, gakyu hami katate dori, ushiro kubi jime, kata dori shomen uchi, kata dori tsuki, ryote dori, morote dori. None of these are over committed.
They all require tori to generate massive power with their hips and tai sabaki.
There are no techniques there are no drills there is only raw power and knowledge of anatomy, that's Aikido.
ketsan 2 years ago
Ahem, Ai hamni is not a committed attack and there is no energy ti manipulate.
ketsan 2 years ago
@ketsan ... well, Aihanmi is a starting position.. but u have said "Aihanmi katetdori", that is an attack (an aggression), so there is energy to manipulate.. especially if the uke will start the katatedori with rage...
VikingDeusEx 2 years ago
Don't think it really makes any difference to be honest. They're not moving, there is no kinetic energy to work with, tori has to do all the work themselves. That's the basis of Aikido. Later on you learn to blend your power with ukes but you start off by developing your own power. When you can move a stationary uke with your hips then you move onto a moving uke and then onto an uke that's locking your technique down.
ketsan 2 years ago
come on in a real fight no one stands there for you to grab, place your feet in, and then twist your body to flip them thats so much effort for minimum damage to the opponent. i need to see these guys attack with real SPEED! and see an effective response in order for me to say this will prevent me from getting a wooping in the streets.
EHealthnFitness 2 years ago
Imagine being dropped from two meteres onto your head. That's what koshi nage feels like done at full power, on a mat.
Now imagine there's no mat.
ketsan 2 years ago
I've watched a few of your vids. Most of what you've said would be right at home in an Aikido dojo, apart from differences between the priorites of a striking art compared with a grappling art. You strike where we'd take hold and throw, etc. Although your thing about ground work, that was shoddy, there's more to newaza than ground and pound although I'll agree that newaza is not for street fighting.
ketsan 2 years ago
very good!
raven121233 2 years ago
Oh I've seen more than enough. Aikido is standing BJJ and is equally effective against strikers. At their core they're the same strategy, the only effective strategy there is.
ketsan 2 years ago
i agree with you
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CrunchyNut1000 2 years ago
You look and yet do not see. In aikido we take the attacker's ki or intent by redirecting his energy,again his ki. How is this done ? by deflecting his attack with another attack thus creating a one second opening to allow us to enter or perform the technique that's available. Aikido is 90% atemi!(strike)!!
lleyvajr 2 years ago
Aikido is awesome, taking down just about any striker is a doddle.
ketsan 2 years ago
All martial arts claim to be self defence., it isn't a technical distinction, it's sound PR. No-one says "Our art is an attacking art" even if like Thai boxing every technique is offensive. It's better to describe Aikido as counter offensive rather than defencive.
ketsan 2 years ago
JKD > Aikido
hxckid1988 2 years ago
martial arts is not really fighting. they are based on self defense. but over the years attacking techniques have been incorpoorated into the arts
freightshaker007 2 years ago
You've confused the art and it's techniques. The art as a whole is not really fighting, but it uses the process of learning how to fight to teach all the other things.
If you prep someone for a life and death fight you prep them to handle just about anything else life can throw at them as well.
ketsan 2 years ago
Huh? I'm confused. Are you in support of Aikido and wanting Aikidoka to initiate attacks, Or do you just plain hate Aikido?
8dahar1 2 years ago
You've got a point there, my fault. Sorry
freakycrawler 2 years ago
This system named Aikido wasn't meant for fightring, it was meant to defend yourself
freakycrawler 2 years ago
lmfao
Jay12341235 2 years ago
check out the real aikido video its really good
Jay12341235 2 years ago
this would never happen in a real fight. you just don't hold hands with pepole like that these days
Jay12341235 2 years ago
They did in the 1800s though.
Spartacus217 2 years ago
Of course it wouldn't happen in a real fight. I is important to understand that this is, in fact, a demonstration. Have a little respect, and maybe train a little at a dojo before you start bashing.
x0AikidoKa0x 2 years ago
didn't mean to disrespect you. but whats the point then? if you can't really use any of this in a fight
Jay12341235 2 years ago
The way I train, we have the classical version of the technique, and then the application. The classical technique is the formal way of doing it. Classical is the complete technique, where ending stance and every little detail matters. The applied technique is the essence, the usable and effective version. Although this video isn't of classical over-the-back, its quite akin. You also have to keep in mind that this is YouTube, if you want to see the technique applied, go visit a dojo.
x0AikidoKa0x 2 years ago
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA where are the videos showcasing these techniques?
jeepdude770 2 years ago
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punhada 2 years ago
Stunning clearly instructions
niettevragen 2 years ago
Don't think anybody besides O sensei will ever know what they're doing. Why? Because the fundamental principle of this martial art prevents them from ever putting it to a real test/competition. After O sensei refined his own personal techniques he successfully dropped well-trained opponents of other MA schools. But he never allowed his students to do the same. He asked them to learn Ukemi and receive his throws. That's it. The first generation of students of aikido were sub-par from the start.
thehymner 2 years ago
Actually the first generation were constantly fighting challenge matches and getting into drunken brawls. As were most of the succeeding generations.
ketsan 2 years ago
the other interesting aspect of Aikido is that it trains one against multiple attackers. No offense to BJJ but it seems like it's a one-on-one martial art.
majin2912 2 years ago
No offense taken; it is a one-on-one martial art.
No offense to Aikido (actually, offense intended), but their randori is completely impractical, my friend. 2 ppl running at you side by side and letting you push them away and repeating over and over? It's like watching a cartoon!!!!
The only art I've ever seen that helps with multiple attackers is Krav, and even that might not work in such a situation, so there you go.
And if you want to talk about BJJ, does Aikido even have groundfighting?
solpapisolmook 2 years ago
I'm not sure- I am contemplating taking it. I have also been checking out Kenpo, Wing Chun, and Shotokan Karate. I have studied Tae Kwon Do and Kung Fu so I have had some grounding in martial arts before. I think any good fighter must know various styles to be able to improvise to any given attack. It's not as straightforward as we see in the movies or even cage matches where there are rules.
majin2912 2 years ago
Totally agree. I'm not saying this style or that style is the best in the world; I'm simply saying Aikido is one of the most impractical in terms of self defense.
Muay Thai, JKD, BJJ for groundfighting, Sambo, kickboxing and western boxing all seem to have very practical application. Krav Maga seems the most realistic, though.
solpapisolmook 2 years ago
I think it does depend on the sensei though. I know that those who teach Aikido with atemi would be the way to go for myself. Although I admire the precept of the art that acts strictly as a defensive position, I think, realistically, there needs to be some development of strikes in order to put away the first of possibly a few attackers.
majin2912 2 years ago
By the way, I noticed that our exchange has been quite civil. I expect that if one treats those as they would like to be treated, calm rational conversations can ensue. I thank you for your perspective even if we still might not completely see eye-to-eye at the end of the day.
majin2912 2 years ago
I'm happy to discuss things with you because you're rational and reasonable, which is why there's no animosity here.
I would agree with you philosophy regarding the use of strikes when facing multiple attackers. Krav Maga has an interesting technique called 360 Defense, which they use for such situations. I'm told Systema is somewhat similar in its practicality.
What do you train, if I may ask?
solpapisolmook 2 years ago
i most recently studied Shaolin Kung Fu. I did not do that too long- got a few belts worth. I found it impractical for self defense and worse, it promoted some aggressive tendencies. A friend who was a black sash showed me some strikes that were just terrible- they would do terrible things to the human anatomy. Wish I hadn't learned them to be honest.
majin2912 2 years ago
you said that shaolin kung fu do terrible technique to the human anatomy. May i know what are they ??
magykdoll 2 years ago
Don't take this the wrong way but I do not wish to impart them. The fact that I have not seen them demonstrated anywhere on YouTube is a testimony to the fact that they should not be common knowledge, especially for inexperienced or undisciplined students/people. The reason these moves are learned at the black sash level is to prevent someone from applying them which would result in killing someone.
majin2912 2 years ago
If you put someone from anyone or any combination of those arts in Aikido randori they'd get owned. An uke in randori has one objective and that's to charge you down. If you try kickboxing them you might get one kick or punch in before you're taken down and then you're in a ground fight with four people.
ketsan 2 years ago
And here come the Aikido faggots, totally out of touch with reality!!
Welcome back, jackasses!!!
solpapisolmook 2 years ago
I've done Aikido randori and I've done Judo randori and Jujutsu randori so my facts are well observed. On four man attack if you take a strong enough posture from which to strike from you will make yourself immobile and you'll end up with four people dragging you down. That's randori and that's what would happen in the street. It's far more realistic than having one guy try and kick box you, that never happens in real life.
If randori is so easy let's see your video, lets see you do it.
ketsan 2 years ago
I didn't say it was easy; I said it was useless.
Get it right, you Aikido faggot.
solpapisolmook 2 years ago
Homophobia is a sign of homosexuality.
Being dragged to the ground by many attackers is far more likely than having a one on one MMA match.
In that sense it is far more real and therefore logically it's far more useful practice than learning to fight one on one.
Since 1v1 is never going to happen, why bother practicing it? Why have a martial art based on such an unlikely situation?
What possible use is it?
ketsan 2 years ago
I'm not homophobic, nor am I a homosexual. That you are doesn't make me one.
Where do you get your statistic that most fights are multiple attackers vs 1? Are you confusing things with your sexual fantasy for having a multiple men run a train on you?
I disagree; I believe most fights are one-on-one, but you're right- many fights are 1 vs many.
That said; Aikido randori is a caricature of such a situation (and a bad one at that), so my point still stands: I-M-P-R-A-C-T-I-C-A-L.
solpapisolmook 2 years ago
If you're not homosexual why talk about it so much?
You don't get out much do you? The vast majority of violence is alcohol related if you want to see real fights go out on a saturday night. 1v1 just doesn't happen, people have these things called friends who tend to jump into fights. So what starts off as a 1v1 thing becomes 6v7 or whatever in about 10 seconds flat.
Watch the CCTV footage. You don't get nice little controled sparring matches, you get anger and hate fueled attacks.
ketsan 2 years ago
1. I'm not talking about it; I'm simply pointing out your homosexuality.
2. I get out plenty, actually.
3. Still no citation that "most" fights are not 1 vs 1.
4. Again; in multiple attackers situations, randori will train you to get killed quickly.
You're a fruit.
solpapisolmook 2 years ago
All this gay stuff is coming out of your mind, not mine.
Citations are not required when something regarded as common knowledge is stated.
Actually it trains you to just keep moving and get out of their asap, and not to bother with anything fancy or even to bother trying to fight, it prepares you mentally for no win situations.
Of course no matter what your criticisms of it are you don't have anything better, you don't even do Aikido so your criticisms are all theoretical anyway.
ketsan 2 years ago
Ok, so in other words, you pulled that statistic out of your ass.
All the people who have dropped Aikido because of its impracticality....what do you have to say to them?
Let me guess; they didn't grasp the essence of Aikido and they don't know true Aikido and all that nonsense...
You're gay.
solpapisolmook 2 years ago
Bu bun ich, that's what I tell them. Read up on koryu bujutsu get to know the mindset of the people responsible for koryu bujutsu. Read up on kata, not individual kata but how kata is used and the thinking behind it as a teaching tool.
Read anything by Lowry, Amdur or Turnbull and every Japanese text on bujutsu. Traditions by Dave Lowry is a particularly good book.
If they're in my dojo I'd pass on a few kuden which really clear things up, but obviously they're not for youtube.
ketsan 2 years ago
What's so bad about being gay? Anyway. Fights I've been in let's see:
1. I was 14 the chavs were 16, there was about 7 of them against one of me and 2 girls, the other guy in our group had walked off ahead with 4 other girls.
2. 30 chavs against my sister, me, and 3 guys. Boy did I have to save my sister that night(I know nothing about martial arts btw).
3. 5 chavs, 4 chavettes against me, drunk as a skunk, 2 other guys and 5 girls.
I did not initiate any fights but none of them 1 v 1.
hbunnyo 2 years ago
do you choose to go to those places? if you have a choise i would like that you choose for your safety to quit going to these social places.
Aur0rah 2 years ago
You mean outside? Unfortunately that's how it is these days. It happens all around where I live. So not going out is not really an option. thank you for looking out for my safety though.
hbunnyo 2 years ago
Seriously, ending every comment calling the other guy gay, makes you out to be a right prick.
Fighting styles and training are only as impractical as the person trying to apply them. The point is to learn the technique in it's optimum scenario and to learn it's limits and when it will not work, and to develop the reactions so that when something WILL work you can move without thinking.
Olbladele 2 years ago 3
everyone can argue about aikido but if you really studied aikido over a few months youw ould know its not a girly at all. I think alot of girls struggle more in aikido then the boys do because it contains streangth without really needing to emphesize it .
Aur0rah 2 years ago
Randori isn't like that. It's much closer to Judo randori. If one of those ukes gets a grip on you they'll take you to the ground. You can end up on the bottom of a pile of 5 people really quite easily.
If it get's to the stage where it's like watching a cartoon the guy in the middle is very good because normally it looks very scrappy. Normally it is very scrappy.
ketsan 2 years ago
awesome vid
kingdmx3 2 years ago
just run like fuck...or stay home...its always worked for me..?
pmay222 2 years ago 3
get fucked closecombattraining!
longie350 2 years ago
Also, i've never seen a jui jitsu fight (i've seen 2, both were black belts) end with the BJJ guy on his feet. Rowdy guy starts and they grapple them down, great. Except that one guy grappled at closing time and the BJJ guy ended up with glass in his back. the other guy nearly won, till the guys mate stamped on his face. Why do you end all your fights on the floor (show me a youtube video stating otherwise) it's dangerous, people rarely attack alone!
KurtCobain198666 2 years ago 2
Im always reading how my stle is better than yours crap. The style is only as good as a martial artist using it
Also BJJ is just like Aikido in that it doesn't answer all the questions of a street fight, in fact it answers very few. I'd love to see BJJ grapple multiple opponents. Whenever Isee you guys pin/choke, you're always on the floor, fucked if there's two other guys You have no fast throws, they all take 'loads'. one martial art was specifically designed for street fights, that was JKD.
KurtCobain198666 2 years ago 2
Except that JDK isn't a martial art, it's a philosophy of martial arts.
ketsan 2 years ago 2
i cannot see this being usefull in everyday street self defence...way too complex.... just a dojo showing off manoeuvre... too much time for attacker to get you round the throat here..?
pmay222 2 years ago
Yeah at full speed they have like half a second. Loads of time.
ketsan 2 years ago
actually when you reach like black belt level you have exetremely good reflexes in doing it and it work pretty good just learn another martial art to back it up
watupnigganigga 2 years ago
Tae Kwon Doe is actually a combat version of karate, its upgrade by korean soldiers during the war. thats y it aided u but its more of an attack than defense. aikido and tae kwon doe r completely oppoosite
Lukeclout 2 years ago
i agree with ur comment on jujitsu not being very effective in bar fights..but it IS prtty useful when on the ground n tryin to either get out or counter. im korean n i respect TKD alot. but i find muay thai mor effective cuz TKD is too reliant on feet n the high kicks cant b countered easily. muay thai's nickname is "science of 8 limbs" implyin dat u use every part of ur body dat can b used as weapon
LJITLOML 2 years ago
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I have studied many martial arts over the years and all have their benefits. I have studied Jujitsu, Aikido, Muey Thai, Karate and Vale Tudo. Many of these diciplines can be expressed in many ways; as an art, as a tool, as a weapon. I don't think they should be used in a 'My dad could beat up your dad' context. That just destroys the whole beauty of it.
barkermart 2 years ago
I have studied many martial arts over the years and all have their benefits. I have studied Jujitsu, Aikido, Muey Thai, Karate and Vale Tudo. Many of these diciplines can be expressed in many ways; as an art, as a tool, as a weapon. I don't think they should be used in a 'My dad could beat up your dad' context. That just destroys the whole beauty of it.
barkermart 2 years ago
My advice from reading these comments is that everyone should stay out of bars.
Spartacus217 2 years ago 2
There are a few things i hate....
1. Ignorance
2. Arrogance
Iv read through the comments aired here about Aikido. And ive seen the most arrogant and ignorant statements ever.
One can ALWAYS learn something valuable from ANY art form...
And to anybody that makes stupid challenges as iv read here about "Come to my club ill take you on..." Bullsh@t buddy... You clearly have no idea what a real fight is!!!! Usually the winner is the guy that dies last... Is that egotistical prize worth it?
wesselwilms 2 years ago
Why are these guys trying to act japanese. There talking and dressed like them. Sigh....
bananabread119 2 years ago
They're not trying to act japanese. It's a Japanese art, there are concepts from japanese culture that don't translate into English just as there are concepts from western culture that don't translate into Japanese.
If we want to learn from each other we have to lean to do things from each others perspective.
ketsan 2 years ago
Im sorry but I must disagree with that notion. True it is a Japanese art form. But just like any Japanese or Chinese art form. It was adopted by another culture. Karate they studied boxing and wrestling from Romans. Also Kung Fu was from a traveling Indian monk. Who made his way to China. So it is fine to take things or ideas from another culture. But taking on there lifestyles, tradition and language is something different in its self.
bananabread119 2 years ago
I'm not taking on a Japanese life style, if I did I'd be far more western than I am!
I practice Aikido and I use Japanese terminology and when I practice I wear a gi, which is actually as western as it is Japanese, the Japanese never wore trousers until the 1900's.
Outside of Aikido I speak English, drink German beer, Russian vodka and French Absinth. I listen to music and read books from all over the world. I eat italian pizza.
Who's life style am I taking on?
ketsan 2 years ago 2
because its the official uniform of aikido... respect it..
buloron12 2 years ago
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aikido and judo doesn't work in real life lol, not sure how many people would fall for that kind of attack
SoldierCyfix 2 years ago
thanks for your video. you took the time to do it and to share with us.
people will decide to use or not aikido.
if people want to see real figth can go to a dangerous alley .
7262456 2 years ago
hey can anybody tell me what to eat to gain a lot of stamina? please? oh yeah and what style should I learn ? my friend knows aikido and i need to beat him up. (not in a bad way but in a fun way) hes kinda fat and im really small and skinny compared to him so i need a stile that can easily take down a big fellow. PLEASE HELP!!
Overzelousepanda 2 years ago
Mate you can't eat to improve your stamina, you have to exercise. Improve your aerobic fitness and your stamina will come. As for what art to take, well that depends on what you hope to achieve: think about what you want to get out of an art and what would suit you... oh and don't just go and blindly sign up for some "MMA" school just because everyone else seems to be!
Gronked 2 years ago
every martial arts system has good and bad not everyone is suited for jj,aikido or any other style just pick the one that you like and enjoy it. peace
lgo4u 2 years ago
aikido xune cysta
vileikacity 2 years ago
My man, if you think that Aikido randori is realistic training for multiple attackers, you're just another brainwashed Aikido loser.
In real fights, three guys don't come running at you from the center, slowing down so you can "throw" each one before it's their turn (I saw "throw" because they jump for you in Aikido). They come at all sides and directions, and they're not reaching their arms out for you to grab, they're taking you down and fucking you up.
solpapisolmook 2 years ago
You must be kidding.... lol, Get connected to the 21st century...
Tino13 2 years ago
very good
abdidou1983 2 years ago