This is the crash that brought about restriction plates? There had been worse crashes SINCE the plates have been used! The absence of roof flaps played a bigger part than an unrestricted carburetor!
@ksz01 No, that's a little loop strap that a lot of the drivers use to use to hold their heads straight in the turns. It just slips around the arm and snugs up into the armpit. When it's attached to the helmet, it keeps the head straight and prevents soreness in the neck. They don't use those anymore because of the way the seats are built nowadays, not to mention the HANS device.
all the people who hate the restrictor plate, come back to this particular crash. many people could have been killed, and NASCAR couldn't let that happen again. it's very fourtanate that nobody was killed.
how does restrictor plates prevent this? cars even now still get higher than that off the ground, that was just a crazy random situation. one day they'll restict the cars to like 40mph.
@C0LL1N Before the Restrictor Plates, cars would exceed over 210MPH. The speed is was sent Allison flying into the protective fence. The RP goes over the carburetor to restrict airflow, thus creating less HP and the result is slowing the car down. If the RP were around back in the 80's this wreck would not have been that massive.
that would be amazing if they had a camera view from the flagstand. if that thing stayed airborne for like 50 feet longer, the flagstand would've been destroyed
What some people tend to neglect about Bobby's crash vs. Carl's crash is this. Carl hit the fence in nearly the exact same spot where Neil Bonnett hit back in 1993. If I'm not mistaken, didn't Neil's car get hit when he flipped?
Also, if it wasn't for Jimmy Horton's crash during the same race in 1993. The catch fencing that kept Craven's car inside the track in 1996. If it wasn't for Jimmy Horton's wreck, the crash that Craven had would have killed him.
Craven and Horton had the exact same crash, except Craven had a catch fence to stop him from going out like Horton did. You say if it wasnt for the Catch Fence Craven would have been killed? how so? it didnt kill Horton
I was going to say that as well. It was the near exact same thing. I actually think without the catch fence, Craven might of been spared of a lot of the injuries he recieved, or would not have been hurt as badly
Agreed. Hell, Craven, up to the point of hitting the catch fence, was rolling just like Horton, and probably could of gotten out of it with less injuries than he had.
Those catch fences can do a great job, but at some places, they are just not needed, and just would cause more trouble than its worth
@battalionfan888 I don't know how Horton's car landed in his crash, but if Craven had hit the flat bit on the other side of the wall, or if he had tumbled down the banking, he would have been OK.
What would (or maybe could?) have done damage would have him landing beyond the other side of the banking without hitting anything. That's what probably did the damage in the 1961 Daytona Petty-Beauchamp crash.
@battalionfan888 Horton hit the top of the wall and rolled down the outside grass banking, it slowed the momentum of the car. Craven would have flown straight out and over without any slowing. I don't know if he would have been killed, but it would have been brutal.
@battalionfan888 all it did for Jimmy is make him go back to running Dirt Modifieds at Orange County Fair Speedway in NY where he won the track championship I think in 96.
@jaqua524 If you watch Neil Bonnett's crash during the 1993 Diehard 500. You will clearly see Bonnett's car get hit by another. It was that hit by Ted Musgrave, factored in with the air getting up under the car, that caused Bonnett's car to hit the catchfence.
@WestVirginia1 I actually think Craven's outcome would have been improved had he gone out of the track! He took all of the impact because of the fence, whereas Jimmy's car had time to lose momentum. He wasn't hurt at all. Ricky suffered a serious head injury.
@girlcandream Craven was uninjured in his Talladega crash...came back and qualified 3rd at Sonoma the very next week. His concussion was suffered in a practice crash at Texas in 1997, and he was later diagnosed with post-concussion syndrome and missed most of the 1998 season because of it.
this isn't the only reason for restrictor plates. bill elliot set the track record of 212.809 mph in qualifying for this race. rusty wallace ran a dodge r/t without a plate in 04 or 05 and hit 235 mph solo. even with all aero & safety improvements these car still get airborne, the track is and has always been one track that can't be tamed. check the history of the first race.
that's not true. Thousands of race fans in America and tens of thousands in the world have been killed by racing accidents. Most of the safety you see protecting race fans today, are because of tradgeties of the past with cars, engines, and debris flying into crowds. One of the most notable is the Lemanse disaster in the 50s. No disaster kills auto racing, it just inspires new safety.
yes it was. I find it a little comical how uneducated many people are on the sacrifices, lives lost, and pain Auto Racing has had to endure to develop all it's safety innovations which protect both drivers and fans. RIP to all the people who died on that awful day, and other races.
The crash that made restrictor plates... I can't imagine what the cars would be like now if they didn't have them. And I dont want to imagine how a crash would end
If restrictor plates were not used in the 2009 spring Talladega race, Carl Edwards's car would have almost certainly flown into the grandstand area, killing hundreds of spectators.
Actually the engines are almost running at the limit with the COT because they have to use 8'500 RPM at superspeedways already and the old car only used 7'200RPM to get the same speed. But yeah he would have went over if he got hit about 5MPH more. But if there wasn't a restrictor plate and he got spun and didn't get hit again he probably wouldn't of hit the catch fence.
regretfully, the statement is not true. there is not an infinite amount of power that can be generated on pump gas with a set CID on the engines. you would never see the speeds capable say NHRA top fuel. furthermore, the cars would probably be more stable at higher speeds at tracks like 'dega and Daytona. there would be a lot more space on the track between cars because drafting wouldn't be as important.
Might of been bad, but the thing is, crashes like this is probably the best type of crash for a driver to get into (in terms of the driver coming out ok, not necessarly the fans, of course with Allison's situation). With a car flipping around, all the energy is being dispersed in all the parts flying off the car, and rolling around instead of one big smack (like Dale Earnhardt).
i put them on the same level of intensity tha carl edwards crash didnt look as bad due to every thing being better built and enhanced safety equipment
Pulleeeze...Edwards crash was HALF that of Bobbys.
Bounced off one car and into the fence for a few feet and then back on his wheels....the Allison crash had 5 times the G-forces applied due to the speed and the number of times the car went around.
I was lookin back at all the bad wrecks of all time at talladega and earnhardts wreck in 96 was worse than both of the wrecks we were talking about. Rusty had a bad wreck to there
You got the right year, but Cravens crash I think was the worst of all the Talladega accidents. Craven hitting catch fencing, and almost literally having his car fall from the top of the catchfencing, all the way to the apron, all while it seemed like every car was hitting him.
Think Rusty Wallace's flip was much worse than Craven's crash..... but Craven's crash was quite horrible too. ARCA's had extremely vicious accidents especially prior to the mid 90s.... which actually puts most of NASCAR's wrecks there "to shame".
Rusty's was pretty bad, but the difference between Rusty and Craven was that Rusty rolled, that was it. Craven hit catch fence, almost literally fell from the height of the catch fence to the apron, all while getting hit by other cars coming down, and if I am correct, this crash was one of the big reasons a few years later where Ricky had his Post Concussion problems that he had in the late 90's
but Rusty's wreck involved more G-Forces for longer. Hitting the catch fence looks bad, but the biggest impact Craven took was actually from hitting the ground and getting clipped. Rusty's flip involved several violent G-Force swings. Come to think of it, I think they are both equally as bad in different ways. Also Craven only got hit by one car (after passing over 8 cars, even tho it was originally said to be 5). His roll cage looked a lot better than Rusty's did I'll say that much.
both were terrible let's leave it at that... sorry for being a stickler lol. In general though, barrel rolling in the grass is about as violent of a flip, in terms of g-forces... as you can have.... because the G-Force increases, decreases, and reversals are so sudden. It takes pretty unique circumstances to get that kind of violence on pavement even when impacting the catch fence. Imagine what would have happened to Ryan Newman if the grass was still on the back stretch?
then again, if a car DOES start to literally BARREL ROLL on pavement, any front end impact with that pavement is incredibly hard... but usually still does not result in the rapidness and sudden jerking of flipping in grass.
Wow, Allison crashes driving the #22 car on lap 22. Then, 22 YEARS AFTER, Carl Edwards has a very similar crash...SCARY.
But i dont think that Daytona and Talladega should be taken off the circuit. I do think that the gear limit could work but the safety is fine. Edwards RAN to the finish line!
If anybody needs better protection, it needs to be the flagstand. One of these days it's gonna get taken out. The catch fence did it's job. The fans want to sit so close, that's the risk they take.
I disagree my friend. The tracks are fine, the the days of the restrictor plate need to end. Maybe take the plate buy give evreyone a gear limit. I have an open mind about this. Any other suggestions?
I say take the restrictor plates off, let the drivers drive. that way they can pull away from the rest. But then again it might not be as exciting as it was. No matter the position in those 2 races, someone from the back can come up to the front. Its a chance the fans take. Just like getting out on the highway themselves, they know the risk. people need to stop blaming nascar, this time the fence held up.
I want everyone to watch Carl's crash VERY VERY closely. You see he gets spun...that's obvious...and yes it does get airborne...but before Newmann hits Edwards...the car was coming back down to the ground...then got hit by Newmann sending him flying. I would say that ALL safety measures that are in place today worked perfectly. Even this 1987 wreck showed Bobby walking away unhurt. Also, if you look at the big one, Clint Boyer and also Robby Gordon should have been injured yesterday, but no
Carl Edwards roof flaps did their job. You could see the car coming back down to the track before he got hit and pushed back up by Ryan Newman. The flaps on Edwards' car had deployed, and were both bringing him back to the track and turning him back around.
Does anyone think if he had the roof flaps that the COT cars have he never would have gone airborne?
I think if he did have the roof flaps they would have kept the car on the track. I think if the COT car blew a tire like this at 210mph it would have jsut spun a bunch a times.
Tragic breaking news from Talladega this afternoon, as early reports indicate between 4 and 7 spectators were killed by the flying debris of Carl Edwards, notably a driveshaft and carberatur, with an estimated 10 to 15 others injured, some critical.
Was watching this video just as Carl Edwards took out the catch fencing today (April 26, 2009). Fence appears much stronger than 1987 as his angle was a lot more perpendicular to the fence. Lots of bits and pieces flew into the stands though, hope everyone is ok.
i remember sitting in a little bar/restaurant in ocean isle beach, NC with my best friend watching the race live. i really thought bobby A. was going into the grandstands. as i recall they hauled about 30 or so injured spectators out of the stands. a little know fact that NASCAR mandated plates on all the 358CID motors when they went to daytona on july 4th. Elliott shows up with a 309 CID ford and runs 205. they made him yank motor and run the 358. wild stuff back then. how i miss those days
Not many people know this but in 2004 NASCAR toyed around with the possibility of taking off the plates for the fall Talladega race after they had seen enough of the big one wipe out so many cars. They got Rusty Wallace to do this test in the summer. They made some laps all were faster than Bill's time by more than 5mph. By the end of the day the best was 228mph average around talladega. Rusty said with more tuning they could hit 235 easy. But NASCAR decided to change the aero package instead.
If I remember correctly, Rusty himself said that he felt 'nervous' going almost 230mph. I think he suggested to NASCAR not to remove the restrictor plates due to the speeds.
They'd still be bunched up if there were no plates - just at 240 mph. It would NOT solve the problem of the Big One happening, and would create new much more serious problems.
No, the faster they go, the harder it is to handle. Handling would become a factor at those speeds, you would not be able to hold it full throttle all day. When they had the roof wickers in 2001, Sterling Marlin said the cars needed to run 200 mph to seperate the good cars from the bad cars. Trust me they'd be spread out
Thanks for posting what you have of this race I remember watching this on espn and it brings back a lot of great memories Bobby Allison gave an interview on Raceday in 2007 on the 20th anniversary of this and he said his engine blew up so bad that it sent a big piece of crankshaft out the back of the car and it hit his right rear tire and well the rest is history (The smoke puffs are visible) They asked him if he thought the plates were the answer at that time to slow em down and he said yes
Jimmie Johnson might be dead if not for the new walls. Hit HARD E style at Daytona and walked away. A Wrangler car took away all Ford hopes in 86 and 87. When Big E was in a Ford he lead almost every race. It just was a FORD and blew up.
Ahh! One of the main reasons for restrictor plate racing! Safety right? What a clever disguise! The real reason was to take away the horsepower advantage that Ford teams had back then by putting plates on 'em! Check the records, ticket sales were down due to the Bill Elliott and Ford show! Gm had an engine package with several hours of plate testing ready to go! I guess that's one way to get those ticket sales back up. Mission accomplished!
By 1987 I doubt the T-bird had any aero advantage at all! Nascar mandated several rule changes to the car in a attempt to slow them down. As far as the horsepower figures go? Gm's power figure's weren't even comparable. If they were Robert Yates , Waddell Wilson and Junior Johnson would have stayed with Gm.
The wreck occurred on the 22nd lap. The race was delayed about 4 hours while they fixed the fence. The race was shortened because Talledega didn't have lights. This was my first NASCAR race.
Bobby said that he thought for sure there were people dead, because they took him all the way around the track in the ambulance, instead of just turning around and driving by the crash site, to get to the infield care unit.
Roof flaps are designed to keep the cars on the ground, but they only work up to a certain speed (about 200mph, give or take).
Given Allison's situation, if he turned like that even today with Restrictor Plates, it is more than likely he will still flip (see Ryan Newman's crash at Daytona a few years back as an example). The blown tire and such will just help in the air pushing that car up and over.
Although I think if the best drivers of today, like Johnson, Edwards, Jr, Kyle Busch, Jeff Gordon, Smoke had driven in the 70s and 80s they'd still have been major players and would have won championships.
I just wish something could be done about restrictor plate racing. The races at Daytona and Talladega back then were simply superb.
this was when you had to appreciate the drivers for how much mental strength they had to have. the cars were harder to control, there were no restrictor plates, and there weren't as many safety devices.
these days the drivers have it so much easier, so it's as though they don't need as much skill as nascar drivers from those days.
Well, you could say NASCAR destroyed the "risk factor", but I would rather have the drivers be safe first before ways are found for better racing.
Saying NASCAR destroyed the risk factor is the same line of thinking that got Dale Earnhardt killed, that got many numerous driver seriously hurt or killed as well.
You know what they say, better safe than sorry. Racing will NEVER be a 100% safe sport, the risk factor will never be destroyed, it will always be there. But thanks to many safety innovations, the risk factor is so small now.
Considering that the COT keeps, by and large, the cars from spinning around, I wonder if NASCAR could get away with running the COT unrestricted at Talladega.
No, you still risk if the car does end up going sideways, a wild 210+ flip like this. There is a reason why they have restrictor plates, as 210+ crashes just are not pretty, and could seriously hurt drivers (though with the safety advances, im sure end results can be a lot less than 20 years ago)
well i believe that they more than likely just partially fixed it to a good fix so it would eb safe for fans and drivers, then they most likely fixed it after the race fully
Agreed. They rarely ever used the red flag in those days. But that day, Harold Kinder was quick to wave it. He probably needed a change of drawers himself!
Bobby Allison blew a tire and smashed into the catching fence. He would land into the grandstand and could cause fatalities of injuries, if the catching fence is not strong enough. After the Spring Talladega race crash in 1987, NASCAR announced that all cars are required to have restrictor plates at Daytona and Talladega races beginning in 1988.
If I'm not mistaken, this crash started because Bobby Allison's driveshaft broke and jammed into the racing surface which ended up with him going airborne. This is the reason for the driveshaft tunnel that the COT's have. Scary crash. It's too bad it takes something bad to happen for Nascar to take steps to safety.
and that was Davey's first win
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Putting restrictor plates on nascar cars is like making bullfighters where full armor body suits. TAKES THE SPORT OUT OF IT!
pyramidsofgizah 3 months ago
I think it was lap 22 to be exact
SaintWicked721 4 months ago
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sneezabonk 4 months ago
@bagnome
The HANS device had been around before Dale's death, just few, if any NASCAR drivers wanted to use them
PYLrulz1984 4 months ago
thta why they have a catch fence now
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jamestargetedindiv 7 months ago
it changed nascar forever. i remember watching it live and believe me, it was terrifying.
midatlanticcycle 8 months ago
god if someone in the stands would have got that on film, that would be SO cool.
creamyfilling102 1 year ago
This is the crash that brought about restriction plates? There had been worse crashes SINCE the plates have been used! The absence of roof flaps played a bigger part than an unrestricted carburetor!
CK90 1 year ago
if that car went into the stands that would have been disgusting as fuck!
havertrace 1 year ago
Harold Kinder was already famous, but this put him as a legend as far as flagmen/starters go in motorsports.
ljostarter 1 year ago
do I see a kind of HANS device on Parsons helmet at 4:23?
ksz01 1 year ago
@ksz01 No, that's a little loop strap that a lot of the drivers use to use to hold their heads straight in the turns. It just slips around the arm and snugs up into the armpit. When it's attached to the helmet, it keeps the head straight and prevents soreness in the neck. They don't use those anymore because of the way the seats are built nowadays, not to mention the HANS device.
JRNII 1 year ago
@JRNII and the HANS device was made after the death of Dale Earnhart.
bagnome 10 months ago
@bagnome other motorsport catagories mandated the HANS device b4 nascar.... if only dale had one :(
MrDontFuckAbout 10 months ago
all the people who hate the restrictor plate, come back to this particular crash. many people could have been killed, and NASCAR couldn't let that happen again. it's very fourtanate that nobody was killed.
LostHighwayFilms 1 year ago
how does restrictor plates prevent this? cars even now still get higher than that off the ground, that was just a crazy random situation. one day they'll restict the cars to like 40mph.
C0LL1N 1 year ago
@C0LL1N Before the Restrictor Plates, cars would exceed over 210MPH. The speed is was sent Allison flying into the protective fence. The RP goes over the carburetor to restrict airflow, thus creating less HP and the result is slowing the car down. If the RP were around back in the 80's this wreck would not have been that massive.
intelcore2duo43 6 months ago
you can hear someone in the press both yell 'ooohhh' in the background, almost knowing what was about to unfold.
hookups 1 year ago
I cant imagine sitting near the area the car hit the catch fence when
allison flipped.
Chuckycheeseize 1 year ago
did they ever get the fence fixed
storm24awesome 1 year ago
was bobby alright?
14DHong 1 year ago
That was massive for sure. Bobby Allison, what a great driver and all time legend of the ovals
natbec01 1 year ago
wow
golfer82484 1 year ago
bobby allison now thats a stockcar driver
0verdrive177 1 year ago
that would be amazing if they had a camera view from the flagstand. if that thing stayed airborne for like 50 feet longer, the flagstand would've been destroyed
sabbathbassdude14 2 years ago
Harold Kinder was otugh as balls. I'm sure he never flinched.
MrRocker04 2 years ago
@MrRocker04 If you look closely enough you will see Kinder's yelloq flag waving as Allison crashes by. Class act, was Harold.
cartryahoo 1 year ago
I wonder what the flagman was thinking when he saw the 22 flying up into the fence right in front of the flagstand.
MossyOakRcn42 2 years ago
i was reading a book and i heard that Carl Edwards wreck hurted 8 people while this wreck hurted only 2
Bluestorm5 2 years ago
"hurted" ? ; come on BlueGums5 !!
doakwinston 2 years ago
dude! I serious!
Bluestorm5 2 years ago
Gee he walks away from this but next year he almost died from a crash..
jazzbo1974 2 years ago
What some people tend to neglect about Bobby's crash vs. Carl's crash is this. Carl hit the fence in nearly the exact same spot where Neil Bonnett hit back in 1993. If I'm not mistaken, didn't Neil's car get hit when he flipped?
Also, if it wasn't for Jimmy Horton's crash during the same race in 1993. The catch fencing that kept Craven's car inside the track in 1996. If it wasn't for Jimmy Horton's wreck, the crash that Craven had would have killed him.
WestVirginia1 2 years ago
Craven and Horton had the exact same crash, except Craven had a catch fence to stop him from going out like Horton did. You say if it wasnt for the Catch Fence Craven would have been killed? how so? it didnt kill Horton
battalionfan888 2 years ago
@battalionfan888
I was going to say that as well. It was the near exact same thing. I actually think without the catch fence, Craven might of been spared of a lot of the injuries he recieved, or would not have been hurt as badly
PYLrulz1984 2 years ago
@battalionfan888
Agreed. Hell, Craven, up to the point of hitting the catch fence, was rolling just like Horton, and probably could of gotten out of it with less injuries than he had.
Those catch fences can do a great job, but at some places, they are just not needed, and just would cause more trouble than its worth
PYLrulz1984 1 year ago
@battalionfan888 I don't know how Horton's car landed in his crash, but if Craven had hit the flat bit on the other side of the wall, or if he had tumbled down the banking, he would have been OK.
What would (or maybe could?) have done damage would have him landing beyond the other side of the banking without hitting anything. That's what probably did the damage in the 1961 Daytona Petty-Beauchamp crash.
TheRacer120 7 months ago
@battalionfan888 Horton hit the top of the wall and rolled down the outside grass banking, it slowed the momentum of the car. Craven would have flown straight out and over without any slowing. I don't know if he would have been killed, but it would have been brutal.
F1IsSuperior 4 months ago
@battalionfan888 all it did for Jimmy is make him go back to running Dirt Modifieds at Orange County Fair Speedway in NY where he won the track championship I think in 96.
SunocoCupSeries 1 month ago
@WestVirginia1 ok so what is ur point? i am not being an ass...i just dont quite understand what you are saying..elaborate a little?
jaqua524 1 year ago
@jaqua524 If you watch Neil Bonnett's crash during the 1993 Diehard 500. You will clearly see Bonnett's car get hit by another. It was that hit by Ted Musgrave, factored in with the air getting up under the car, that caused Bonnett's car to hit the catchfence.
WestVirginia1 1 year ago
@WestVirginia1 yeah i know, but what does that have to do with carl's crash though?
jaqua524 1 year ago
@jaqua524 Carl's crash was similar to Bonnett's, not Allsion's like everybody thinks
WestVirginia1 1 year ago
@WestVirginia1 ah ok gotcha
jaqua524 1 year ago
@WestVirginia1 I actually think Craven's outcome would have been improved had he gone out of the track! He took all of the impact because of the fence, whereas Jimmy's car had time to lose momentum. He wasn't hurt at all. Ricky suffered a serious head injury.
girlcandream 1 year ago
@girlcandream Craven was uninjured in his Talladega crash...came back and qualified 3rd at Sonoma the very next week. His concussion was suffered in a practice crash at Texas in 1997, and he was later diagnosed with post-concussion syndrome and missed most of the 1998 season because of it.
astatslpvids 1 year ago
@WestVirginia1 no, Neil said it himself - the motor blew up which made him spin the car.
SAMMYJS991 8 months ago
If this crash did not happen, the excuse for restrictor plates would have probably cropped up elsewere.
trekkiepro 2 years ago
I love it when Bobby is checking to see if his hands are still working.
spokybob 2 years ago
That car is TOTALLED. Fortunately Bobby wasn't. He could have been badly hurt had Phil hit him any harder.
Earnhardt did a great job of not hitting Allison or spinning in the oil. He did slide around behind him.
FrodothePuppet 2 years ago
this isn't the only reason for restrictor plates. bill elliot set the track record of 212.809 mph in qualifying for this race. rusty wallace ran a dodge r/t without a plate in 04 or 05 and hit 235 mph solo. even with all aero & safety improvements these car still get airborne, the track is and has always been one track that can't be tamed. check the history of the first race.
JesusLovesScreamo 2 years ago
that happened after this crash ??
ErickSatoh 2 years ago
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erasetoimprove 2 years ago
If that car goes into the stands, auto racing would be done for
VanHoorelbeke 2 years ago 6
that's not true. Thousands of race fans in America and tens of thousands in the world have been killed by racing accidents. Most of the safety you see protecting race fans today, are because of tradgeties of the past with cars, engines, and debris flying into crowds. One of the most notable is the Lemanse disaster in the 50s. No disaster kills auto racing, it just inspires new safety.
erasetoimprove 2 years ago
That Lemanse incident was awful.
crvorhees 2 years ago
yes it was. I find it a little comical how uneducated many people are on the sacrifices, lives lost, and pain Auto Racing has had to endure to develop all it's safety innovations which protect both drivers and fans. RIP to all the people who died on that awful day, and other races.
erasetoimprove 2 years ago
Carl's lucky there is lucky there is a restrictor plate!
NascarRacing2003Fan 2 years ago
Very scary crash wow
JorgeHGPR 2 years ago 2
The crash that made restrictor plates... I can't imagine what the cars would be like now if they didn't have them. And I dont want to imagine how a crash would end
MIBFreakPack 2 years ago 2
If restrictor plates were not used in the 2009 spring Talladega race, Carl Edwards's car would have almost certainly flown into the grandstand area, killing hundreds of spectators.
AaronApolloCamp 2 years ago 4
exactly. Very scary
MIBFreakPack 2 years ago 3
Actually the engines are almost running at the limit with the COT because they have to use 8'500 RPM at superspeedways already and the old car only used 7'200RPM to get the same speed. But yeah he would have went over if he got hit about 5MPH more. But if there wasn't a restrictor plate and he got spun and didn't get hit again he probably wouldn't of hit the catch fence.
flyer2359 2 years ago 3
regretfully, the statement is not true. there is not an infinite amount of power that can be generated on pump gas with a set CID on the engines. you would never see the speeds capable say NHRA top fuel. furthermore, the cars would probably be more stable at higher speeds at tracks like 'dega and Daytona. there would be a lot more space on the track between cars because drafting wouldn't be as important.
ampdrage 2 years ago
when you have 30 of 43 cars covering the same spot on the track in less than 2 seconds for 500 miles, crap happens.
ampdrage 2 years ago
no kidding...that would be scary as hell!
MIBFreakPack 2 years ago
I tell ya what. that flag man and some of they there fans have gotta have a full load in there droars.
buck5m 2 years ago 12
Carl Edwards crash also reminded me of Neil Bonnets crash too remember Neil hit the fince too
rockinlunatic34610 2 years ago 7
who was the guy that flipped over the wall in one of the turns. it was like the early 90's that one would be the worst.
t1bmxfbm 2 years ago
That would have been Jimmy Horton. He's still running Modifieds in NJ.
RacerRose 2 years ago
Might of been bad, but the thing is, crashes like this is probably the best type of crash for a driver to get into (in terms of the driver coming out ok, not necessarly the fans, of course with Allison's situation). With a car flipping around, all the energy is being dispersed in all the parts flying off the car, and rolling around instead of one big smack (like Dale Earnhardt).
PYLrulz1984 2 years ago
which crash was worse do you think bobby allison or carl edwards.. remember fences back then where a lot worse then they are now.
24roger24 2 years ago
i put them on the same level of intensity tha carl edwards crash didnt look as bad due to every thing being better built and enhanced safety equipment
kix96fan 2 years ago
can you imagine if that crash was just five more feet forward. bobby would have hit the guys in the flag box. very close call.
limitlessracer 2 years ago
carl edwards crash was worse
Hollywo0d18 2 years ago
Pulleeeze...Edwards crash was HALF that of Bobbys.
Bounced off one car and into the fence for a few feet and then back on his wheels....the Allison crash had 5 times the G-forces applied due to the speed and the number of times the car went around.
lexicon5 2 years ago
I was lookin back at all the bad wrecks of all time at talladega and earnhardts wreck in 96 was worse than both of the wrecks we were talking about. Rusty had a bad wreck to there
Hollywo0d18 2 years ago
You got the right year, but Cravens crash I think was the worst of all the Talladega accidents. Craven hitting catch fencing, and almost literally having his car fall from the top of the catchfencing, all the way to the apron, all while it seemed like every car was hitting him.
PYLrulz1984 2 years ago 4
Think Rusty Wallace's flip was much worse than Craven's crash..... but Craven's crash was quite horrible too. ARCA's had extremely vicious accidents especially prior to the mid 90s.... which actually puts most of NASCAR's wrecks there "to shame".
erasetoimprove 2 years ago
Rusty's was pretty bad, but the difference between Rusty and Craven was that Rusty rolled, that was it. Craven hit catch fence, almost literally fell from the height of the catch fence to the apron, all while getting hit by other cars coming down, and if I am correct, this crash was one of the big reasons a few years later where Ricky had his Post Concussion problems that he had in the late 90's
PYLrulz1984 2 years ago
also, to clarify, when I mean "this crash", I mean Ricky's crash, not the Allison crash, just so no one gets confused
PYLrulz1984 2 years ago
but Rusty's wreck involved more G-Forces for longer. Hitting the catch fence looks bad, but the biggest impact Craven took was actually from hitting the ground and getting clipped. Rusty's flip involved several violent G-Force swings. Come to think of it, I think they are both equally as bad in different ways. Also Craven only got hit by one car (after passing over 8 cars, even tho it was originally said to be 5). His roll cage looked a lot better than Rusty's did I'll say that much.
erasetoimprove 2 years ago
both were terrible let's leave it at that... sorry for being a stickler lol. In general though, barrel rolling in the grass is about as violent of a flip, in terms of g-forces... as you can have.... because the G-Force increases, decreases, and reversals are so sudden. It takes pretty unique circumstances to get that kind of violence on pavement even when impacting the catch fence. Imagine what would have happened to Ryan Newman if the grass was still on the back stretch?
erasetoimprove 2 years ago
then again, if a car DOES start to literally BARREL ROLL on pavement, any front end impact with that pavement is incredibly hard... but usually still does not result in the rapidness and sudden jerking of flipping in grass.
erasetoimprove 2 years ago
Edwards's crash likely had more G-forces applied because his car decelerated more quickly.
AaronApolloCamp 2 years ago
Forward progress never stopped though.
AEMoreira81 2 years ago
Wow, Allison crashes driving the #22 car on lap 22. Then, 22 YEARS AFTER, Carl Edwards has a very similar crash...SCARY.
But i dont think that Daytona and Talladega should be taken off the circuit. I do think that the gear limit could work but the safety is fine. Edwards RAN to the finish line!
ABalla1122 2 years ago 6
Bobby's car was headed for the flagstand.
sirboggs 2 years ago
This.
If anybody needs better protection, it needs to be the flagstand. One of these days it's gonna get taken out. The catch fence did it's job. The fans want to sit so close, that's the risk they take.
creightonballa26 2 years ago 2
yeah if bobby was just a few feet down, then the flag men would have been dead lol
gwood299 2 years ago
what is funny about that?
k0ehl3r 2 years ago
the time of talladega and daytona have passed. Will nascar wait until a car lands in the stands and kills 25 people to do something about it?
smackythefrog23 2 years ago
I disagree my friend. The tracks are fine, the the days of the restrictor plate need to end. Maybe take the plate buy give evreyone a gear limit. I have an open mind about this. Any other suggestions?
ElmRjFudd 2 years ago
I say take the restrictor plates off, let the drivers drive. that way they can pull away from the rest. But then again it might not be as exciting as it was. No matter the position in those 2 races, someone from the back can come up to the front. Its a chance the fans take. Just like getting out on the highway themselves, they know the risk. people need to stop blaming nascar, this time the fence held up.
ronnieacts238 2 years ago
Edwards looks almost exactly like this wreck. Thank you nascar for the safety improvements.
rexars24 2 years ago
I want everyone to watch Carl's crash VERY VERY closely. You see he gets spun...that's obvious...and yes it does get airborne...but before Newmann hits Edwards...the car was coming back down to the ground...then got hit by Newmann sending him flying. I would say that ALL safety measures that are in place today worked perfectly. Even this 1987 wreck showed Bobby walking away unhurt. Also, if you look at the big one, Clint Boyer and also Robby Gordon should have been injured yesterday, but no
ltlguy2 2 years ago
heck since the safty improvments since dale sr death there could of been a dozen deaths with all that
Nascarfever 2 years ago
That looked just like Carl's crash yesterday. Wow.
mholzman37545 2 years ago
Carl Edwards had roof flaps and we see what happened! Thank God for the catch fencing!!
Sammiejay3 2 years ago
Carl Edwards roof flaps did their job. You could see the car coming back down to the track before he got hit and pushed back up by Ryan Newman. The flaps on Edwards' car had deployed, and were both bringing him back to the track and turning him back around.
ghpowers 2 years ago
Does anyone think if he had the roof flaps that the COT cars have he never would have gone airborne?
I think if he did have the roof flaps they would have kept the car on the track. I think if the COT car blew a tire like this at 210mph it would have jsut spun a bunch a times.
WHolyKnight 2 years ago
could be. carl went airborne but crash was completely different he got lifted and hit.
mtripp04 2 years ago
ya freak it was
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WHolyKnight 2 years ago
wow, that was much harder than carl edwards, way more harder...did people really die from the carl edwards wreck?
Tall95Guy 2 years ago
no...worst injury was a lady with a broken jaw(possibly) 7 total with injuries from debris no deaths tho. nothing life threatening
mtripp04 2 years ago
no 8 injured 2 sent to hospital..possible broken jaw
Nascarfever 2 years ago
That Crash Was Reminensce To What Happened To Carl Edwards At Talladega Today!!!!!
jamespic 2 years ago
Correction on this. ESPN reporting 8 injuries to fans, none seriously.
guyatacomputer 2 years ago
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Tragic breaking news from Talladega this afternoon, as early reports indicate between 4 and 7 spectators were killed by the flying debris of Carl Edwards, notably a driveshaft and carberatur, with an estimated 10 to 15 others injured, some critical.
A tragic day for moto-sport :(
slitheringinterstate 2 years ago
No one died, you idiot.
word360 2 years ago 3
Maybe, they'll take the plates of these cars now since this is why they put them on.
imadctd2caffyn 2 years ago
If he crashed like Carl Edwards just did he would have went straight into the crowd.
Manfred782745 2 years ago
It was pretty much identical to what happened at Talladega on Sunday, April 26, 2009
BrianDirtRider18 2 years ago
that crash today was probably the most scary crash I've ever seen!
utvolfan2012 2 years ago
Wow, DW wasn't kidding, this was just like it.
Kingfishersquadron75 2 years ago 2
the same thing just happened (4/2609), but the fence did a way better job this time!
mcmobius1 2 years ago
Holy crap i saw the same thing TOO!!
youlox123456789 2 years ago
Was watching this video just as Carl Edwards took out the catch fencing today (April 26, 2009). Fence appears much stronger than 1987 as his angle was a lot more perpendicular to the fence. Lots of bits and pieces flew into the stands though, hope everyone is ok.
GoldSilverLead 2 years ago
They might want to slow things down more before Daytona, I'd cut the restrictor plates at least 1/16" (or more).
itsalleternal 2 years ago
Damn. I just read about that on my issue of NASCAR Scene.
Tomaszewski1394 2 years ago
yeah i read that article too.
mrnascar445 2 years ago
i remember sitting in a little bar/restaurant in ocean isle beach, NC with my best friend watching the race live. i really thought bobby A. was going into the grandstands. as i recall they hauled about 30 or so injured spectators out of the stands. a little know fact that NASCAR mandated plates on all the 358CID motors when they went to daytona on july 4th. Elliott shows up with a 309 CID ford and runs 205. they made him yank motor and run the 358. wild stuff back then. how i miss those days
midatlanticcycle 2 years ago 2
Not many people know this but in 2004 NASCAR toyed around with the possibility of taking off the plates for the fall Talladega race after they had seen enough of the big one wipe out so many cars. They got Rusty Wallace to do this test in the summer. They made some laps all were faster than Bill's time by more than 5mph. By the end of the day the best was 228mph average around talladega. Rusty said with more tuning they could hit 235 easy. But NASCAR decided to change the aero package instead.
cman17012003 2 years ago
Wonder if R&D held any unrestricted tests like this with the new car, and if so, what were the lap times and speeds?
4stringrager 2 years ago
If I remember correctly, Rusty himself said that he felt 'nervous' going almost 230mph. I think he suggested to NASCAR not to remove the restrictor plates due to the speeds.
dadoofus 2 years ago
They'd still be bunched up if there were no plates - just at 240 mph. It would NOT solve the problem of the Big One happening, and would create new much more serious problems.
itsalleternal 2 years ago
no way, money would separate them, not everyone can afford to go as fast as everyone else when you are talking unhindered speed
doesn't mean it wouldn't be violent
MasterJoBob 2 years ago
No, the faster they go, the harder it is to handle. Handling would become a factor at those speeds, you would not be able to hold it full throttle all day. When they had the roof wickers in 2001, Sterling Marlin said the cars needed to run 200 mph to seperate the good cars from the bad cars. Trust me they'd be spread out
reidmustang88 2 years ago
I miss the Buicks and Olds.
dnasty312 2 years ago
Thanks for posting what you have of this race I remember watching this on espn and it brings back a lot of great memories Bobby Allison gave an interview on Raceday in 2007 on the 20th anniversary of this and he said his engine blew up so bad that it sent a big piece of crankshaft out the back of the car and it hit his right rear tire and well the rest is history (The smoke puffs are visible) They asked him if he thought the plates were the answer at that time to slow em down and he said yes
4stringrager 3 years ago
Jimmie Johnson might be dead if not for the new walls. Hit HARD E style at Daytona and walked away. A Wrangler car took away all Ford hopes in 86 and 87. When Big E was in a Ford he lead almost every race. It just was a FORD and blew up.
sivvybee 3 years ago
When i saw this wreck i was pretty sure he was dead and alot of fans thank god no one died
jazzbo1974 3 years ago
Ahh! One of the main reasons for restrictor plate racing! Safety right? What a clever disguise! The real reason was to take away the horsepower advantage that Ford teams had back then by putting plates on 'em! Check the records, ticket sales were down due to the Bill Elliott and Ford show! Gm had an engine package with several hours of plate testing ready to go! I guess that's one way to get those ticket sales back up. Mission accomplished!
68drummer 3 years ago
oh please it wasnt a horsepower advantage it was that the tbird was much better aerodynamically than the boxey chevys, buicks, and pontiacs
ctrailfan07 3 years ago
By 1987 I doubt the T-bird had any aero advantage at all! Nascar mandated several rule changes to the car in a attempt to slow them down. As far as the horsepower figures go? Gm's power figure's weren't even comparable. If they were Robert Yates , Waddell Wilson and Junior Johnson would have stayed with Gm.
68drummer 3 years ago
ya bills coors t-brid was slick
matthewfaustin 2 years ago 3
How ironic that Bobby's son, Davey Allison, won this race, the 1st of his career.
wlevoy 3 years ago
There is absolutely no irony in that
mark71183 3 years ago 2
Not ironic in any way, but it is a footnote worth noting...
AaronApolloCamp 2 years ago
so was that the end of the race or did they fix the fence somehow and keep going?
chedder72 3 years ago
The wreck occurred on the 22nd lap. The race was delayed about 4 hours while they fixed the fence. The race was shortened because Talledega didn't have lights. This was my first NASCAR race.
markdruffner 3 years ago
Bobby said that he thought for sure there were people dead, because they took him all the way around the track in the ambulance, instead of just turning around and driving by the crash site, to get to the infield care unit.
RandomHero1971 3 years ago
Question
Would roof flaps alone prevent an incident like this?
DieKolkrabe 3 years ago
very possible yes, but could not.
Sometimes the roof flaps save cars from going over but they can still turn over given the right circumstances
battalionmedia 3 years ago
Actually, no.
Roof flaps are designed to keep the cars on the ground, but they only work up to a certain speed (about 200mph, give or take).
Given Allison's situation, if he turned like that even today with Restrictor Plates, it is more than likely he will still flip (see Ryan Newman's crash at Daytona a few years back as an example). The blown tire and such will just help in the air pushing that car up and over.
PYLrulz1984 3 years ago
i'm not even gonna lie if i were bobby allison or the flag man i would have shit myself
kidd1023 3 years ago 2
LusterPurge94
Totally agree.
Although I think if the best drivers of today, like Johnson, Edwards, Jr, Kyle Busch, Jeff Gordon, Smoke had driven in the 70s and 80s they'd still have been major players and would have won championships.
I just wish something could be done about restrictor plate racing. The races at Daytona and Talladega back then were simply superb.
Maybe one day...
mcqueenthee 3 years ago 2
this was when you had to appreciate the drivers for how much mental strength they had to have. the cars were harder to control, there were no restrictor plates, and there weren't as many safety devices.
these days the drivers have it so much easier, so it's as though they don't need as much skill as nascar drivers from those days.
LusterPurge94 3 years ago 4
But thank goodness there is restrictor plates, and all these safety devices, that way we can enjoy watching the drivers race.
PYLrulz1984 3 years ago
no way is it better today . nascar destoyed the risk factor
bowtech333 3 years ago
Well, you could say NASCAR destroyed the "risk factor", but I would rather have the drivers be safe first before ways are found for better racing.
Saying NASCAR destroyed the risk factor is the same line of thinking that got Dale Earnhardt killed, that got many numerous driver seriously hurt or killed as well.
PYLrulz1984 3 years ago
You know what they say, better safe than sorry. Racing will NEVER be a 100% safe sport, the risk factor will never be destroyed, it will always be there. But thanks to many safety innovations, the risk factor is so small now.
Gamers4rLife 3 years ago
poor Harold Kinder i can only imagine what he was thinking if he even had time to think when he saw Bobby's car heading right for him
AMIEVIL86 3 years ago 3
Nascar was real back then!!! to many restrictions now
a2dmobileservice 3 years ago 8
Damn nearly wiped out the flag man
mikeylikeycookies 3 years ago
This was actually caused by a broken gear box. It came apart, blew the tire, and sent the #22 flying.
dsmcclellan 3 years ago
That would be sweet....
davefs25 3 years ago
Considering that the COT keeps, by and large, the cars from spinning around, I wonder if NASCAR could get away with running the COT unrestricted at Talladega.
JoeytheHDK 3 years ago 2
No, you still risk if the car does end up going sideways, a wild 210+ flip like this. There is a reason why they have restrictor plates, as 210+ crashes just are not pretty, and could seriously hurt drivers (though with the safety advances, im sure end results can be a lot less than 20 years ago)
PYLrulz1984 3 years ago
Amazing considering how fast Bobby was going. More amazing, they fixed the fence in 2 hours. Fast repair crew.
wildarms007 3 years ago
well i believe that they more than likely just partially fixed it to a good fix so it would eb safe for fans and drivers, then they most likely fixed it after the race fully
nintendoboy90091 3 years ago
Thats why you never sit in the front seats in the stands.
FlamingPotatoe 3 years ago
They were quick to red flag this.
racermac1988 3 years ago
Agreed. They rarely ever used the red flag in those days. But that day, Harold Kinder was quick to wave it. He probably needed a change of drawers himself!
davidd2172 3 years ago 5
Bobby Allison blew a tire and smashed into the catching fence. He would land into the grandstand and could cause fatalities of injuries, if the catching fence is not strong enough. After the Spring Talladega race crash in 1987, NASCAR announced that all cars are required to have restrictor plates at Daytona and Talladega races beginning in 1988.
GotRiceBish 3 years ago
If I'm not mistaken, this crash started because Bobby Allison's driveshaft broke and jammed into the racing surface which ended up with him going airborne. This is the reason for the driveshaft tunnel that the COT's have. Scary crash. It's too bad it takes something bad to happen for Nascar to take steps to safety.
tukkitrocks79 3 years ago