No scientific project it "threatened if it doesn't get funding for not thinking the science through enough. That is why the 450 billion dollar plan failed and why Zubrin's 55 billion dollar plan may be shelved. it isn't an anti-exploration arguement. What gets me is supercomputers are on everyone's desktop. There is nothing preventing anyone with coming up with a common sense approach to exploring Mars. Make it an open source project and skip NASA. The best plan will win in the end.
I hate to see politics seep into concepts like these. "Threat to their projects..." These people, NASA scientists and engineers, are supposed to be all for exploration! They are supposed to be the descendants of the Apollo teams! Current NASA leadership is a shame, unworthy of their place. I understand we have budget issues now, but we better see progress when our economic woes subside. Hopeful astronauts and engineers have wasted their lives waiting for this sort of project. Let it come!
Maybe common people want simple-minded No-brainer jobs. They don't want to think. The Industrial age is over. We are on the verge of becoming a Technological Industrial Age planet. And, the people are not ready. It's too bad and so sad. I wish some of us could get together and push it forward, to the edge of the limit. Nature gave us this ability -- it is our right, it is our duty. Andrew pt2
We need to get up off our duster and push our technologies to the limit. Nature has worked on humanity for millions of years. Let's proove it. be the first species to leave this planet and colonize the solar system. People risk their lives Mt Everest, the ocean, scateboarding... We are wasting our time on iPods, iPads, cell phones. The minds of the people are our greatest assetts. Not the oil, textile or car industry. Imagine the technical job industry that would come about. Andrew pt1
I think it is one of many plans. I don't get the purpose of traveling to Mars simply to put humans on the surface only to say hey look we saved $395billion. Of course, long term development of Mars certainly there would be a return of investment. The plan is great if you want to show off but it needs serious revision and negates the unknown technologies that will develop in the meantime dropping cost significantly. Clean drinkning water is more important.
@SuperBoogerhead True, but that is always the case when designing projects for the future. There will always be new technologies that could be incorporated, but at some point you have to find the tech you want and stick with it during development, and worry about new tech after the fact. The Army's Land Warrior was a perpetual project that died because they continually attempted to adapt the program to the latest and greatest. There will always be a latest and greatest.
Zubrins Ideas are great... but there are a few things that need to be incorporated into his ideas.. like back up plans.. and first get a sample return mission.. u know we need to know whats in the mars soil before we send humans..
Dr. Zubrin should team up with Space-X.
Iamnotaparakeet 2 months ago
No scientific project it "threatened if it doesn't get funding for not thinking the science through enough. That is why the 450 billion dollar plan failed and why Zubrin's 55 billion dollar plan may be shelved. it isn't an anti-exploration arguement. What gets me is supercomputers are on everyone's desktop. There is nothing preventing anyone with coming up with a common sense approach to exploring Mars. Make it an open source project and skip NASA. The best plan will win in the end.
SuperBoogerhead 3 months ago
I hate to see politics seep into concepts like these. "Threat to their projects..." These people, NASA scientists and engineers, are supposed to be all for exploration! They are supposed to be the descendants of the Apollo teams! Current NASA leadership is a shame, unworthy of their place. I understand we have budget issues now, but we better see progress when our economic woes subside. Hopeful astronauts and engineers have wasted their lives waiting for this sort of project. Let it come!
Pizack3 3 months ago
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Maybe common people want simple-minded No-brainer jobs. They don't want to think. The Industrial age is over. We are on the verge of becoming a Technological Industrial Age planet. And, the people are not ready. It's too bad and so sad. I wish some of us could get together and push it forward, to the edge of the limit. Nature gave us this ability -- it is our right, it is our duty. Andrew pt2
solitonqt 4 months ago
We need to get up off our duster and push our technologies to the limit. Nature has worked on humanity for millions of years. Let's proove it. be the first species to leave this planet and colonize the solar system. People risk their lives Mt Everest, the ocean, scateboarding... We are wasting our time on iPods, iPads, cell phones. The minds of the people are our greatest assetts. Not the oil, textile or car industry. Imagine the technical job industry that would come about. Andrew pt1
solitonqt 4 months ago
I think it is one of many plans. I don't get the purpose of traveling to Mars simply to put humans on the surface only to say hey look we saved $395billion. Of course, long term development of Mars certainly there would be a return of investment. The plan is great if you want to show off but it needs serious revision and negates the unknown technologies that will develop in the meantime dropping cost significantly. Clean drinkning water is more important.
SuperBoogerhead 4 months ago
@SuperBoogerhead True, but that is always the case when designing projects for the future. There will always be new technologies that could be incorporated, but at some point you have to find the tech you want and stick with it during development, and worry about new tech after the fact. The Army's Land Warrior was a perpetual project that died because they continually attempted to adapt the program to the latest and greatest. There will always be a latest and greatest.
Pizack3 3 months ago
I like the Mars semi-direct better
amoghakrishnas 5 months ago
Zubrins Ideas are great... but there are a few things that need to be incorporated into his ideas.. like back up plans.. and first get a sample return mission.. u know we need to know whats in the mars soil before we send humans..
amoghakrishnas 5 months ago