yeah looks like html 5 is the winner. the html 5 shown here was a older version it has been updated and even adobe said that flash for mobile wasn't as good as html 5 and even windows phone won't support it. so adobe has no other choice but to develop html 5 or be left in the dust.
I see all these post are past tense, let's fast forward to the future , Adobe kills off flash to focus on HTML 5 , LMFAO, how do u like them apples , pun intended
Why not have room for both, and let people choose which they would like? The way I see it, the more development tools the better. Let's more people jump into the scene.
Steve Jobs Himself SUCKs not Flash, big loser, Ipod, Iphone - Ipad hahahaha 3G 3GS 4G OS 4, sooon OS 5 never stop, iphone battery eater, and bursted so many times, cant extend memory sucks a lot Steve Job really bad job
Has anyone noticed that the only thing we're seeing is fps? If you've got any type of system monitor on your computer, look at your processor while running each of these tests. HTML5 tests took about half the processing power required by the Flash tests.
Macs are basically designed just for making flash take more power. On a Normal PC flash can get access to the computers hardware and use the graphics processor to make it more efficient. And even then Flash can still be more efficient on certain browsers.
If anyone's read the code this is running... the canvas demo being tested is highly unoptimised and using a very basic (expensive) rendering technique where the flash has been optimised quite heavily
I wouldn't trust these results as I don't think it's anywhere near a fair comparison
html5 is the future. It doesn't matter if it sucks now because Flash was garbage when it first came out too. Give it some time to mature and I'm sure that it can be just as effective as Flash and then some.
That's about as rediculous a comment as I've seen in ages. So you think HTML5 needs to mature to catch up with Flash? Running the same hardware now and performing as Flash did years and years ago on slower hardware?
Even if HTML5 was to mature in however many years they'll need to toil away to improve performance, Flash will continue to surge ahead. Horses for causes.
Many have raised the video tag in HTML5 replacing embedded Flash video, and I don't dispute that.
@oplixity Also, remember that flash is a standard that is controlled by one body (adobe) and can't be "interpreted" like HTML-x can. Look at all the different flavors of HTML. Not a single browser supports the standard to the letter. HTML 5 will not be any different. Microsoft will tweak it for it's own browser, mozilla and chrome will certainly follow suit.
Except flash has been in development for years and has had many versions... HTML 5 video and audio tags still have at least ten years of development to go so how about testing them when both products are finshed?
Flash can be faster to display small animated dots, but try to run complete apps like Adobe's Buzzword on a netbook and you will see why AJAX is a lot faster on this kind of task.
It's worth pointing out that even Apple don't believe the future is entirely HTML5... they are developing their own Flash alternative called Gianduja (as are Microsoft with Silverlight). All of this competition for Flash may actually be a good thing if it forces Adobe to improve Flash. My only concern is it looks like the web is going to become more fractured in the medium term with the big players trying to force users onto their own platform in preference to the wider web. Err, thanks apple
I recently moved to Flash from DHTML, Javascript and AJAX. It was a revelation compared to having to deal with all the browser inconsistencies of different browsers. I will be happy to move to HTML5 when it matures, but it may be some years before HTML5 has enough market penetration AND (this is the crucial bit) is identical from one browser to the next. I have serious doubts about the latter.
You could compile your Flash demo to an Iphone IPA file using one of the CS5 beta builds, and then demo that on your iphone, just for "shits & giggles"
Good demo, though I'm not sure what to make of it. Seems like the difference between a software and hardware renderer. That can change. Somewhat related: I noticed that the benchmarks for FP is generally better on Windows than Mac, at "craftymind guimark2". It maybe that Adobe put its priorities on optimizing Win first. That could be the real reason for blocking flash: relinquishing control of the user experience to Adobe that treats Apple as a lower priority.
If a company writes software which is designed to do this kind of thing (Flash), it's going to be more efficient than some new technology which doesn't require specialized plugins but is handled directly.
Does this ring a bell?
An application which is written specifically for a platform generally performs better than some cross-compiled stuff...
so am i understanding this correction? this is a comparison of a yet to be released beta of the flash player vs a version of webkit released 2 years ago.
I'm not sure where I stand in the whole Flash v HTML5 discussion. But how old is HTML5? Flash has been around for 10+ years (at least right?) so....its got a little bit of a head start. I'm outside my realm of expertise, but not all browsers support HTML5 yet....
@madcityman Yes - Flash has been around the block a few times. Adobe has a massive head start on this stuff. The problem is that Apple and many others are stating that Flash is 'dead' because of this newborn tech called HTML5. Obviously, HTML5 has a lot of growing to do before it catches up, and demos like these prove that.
@theboyofspewn It would be a big surprise if Apple wouldn't say that they want only to use the new HTML5 with canvas because they initially introduced it. It was only later standardized by the WHATWG
But wait.. isnt this why all manufacturers of mobile devices are going to be using flash 10.1 except for Apple. That lazy Adobe they must have some evil sorcerer making all this new technology. Or is it possible that Steve Jobs was just blaming all the shortcomings on his apple products on others because that is the easiest thing to do, and now he has to keep his Apple people away from the real internet so they don't see what they are missing.
@uaboob adobe flash is horrible html 5 is the future. When flash was first introduced it had problem left and right. Over the years it got better, but then it just..well just got stuck. I don't develop in flash anymore, sorry adobe.
@atmancloud html5 is not even a complete standard yet. You like it because it can use a video tag. Cmon wake up. I use html5 and flash. Adobe will get along just fine without you and Apple only has 5% of the market so I suppose Adobe will get along just fine without Apple too. Did you see the comparison with this phone to the iphone. Thats the future. Sorry Apple
@uaboob well Adobe is helping out by making an HTML 5 export from CS 5...thank you Adobe...and have you seen those videos of IE 9 running HTML 5...pretty impressive...they must have found a way to make it GPU accelerated...pretty soon all browsers will copy IE 9...that's the only way they could get Flash 10.1 working on mobile devices...Flash 10 never would have cut it without GPU acceleration...
@BILLYBOBMANTARAY IE explorer still requires a plug in. Actually nvidia worked with adobe on the hardware acceleration and other companies that make hardware. I have a beta flash 10.1 and I don't need ie to make it work . I think you are missing the point of the video which is showing how much better flash 10.1 is vs html5 due to advanced technology and through cooperation with other companies. Will Apple survive without being able to produce advanced products. Answer NO!!!
@uaboob " Will Apple survive without being able to produce advanced products. Answer NO!!! "...well the iphone is not all that advanced...neither are their computers...or the Ipads...but they sure do sell pretty good...so I would have to say YES !!!
@atmancloud it's been about 20 some odd years and the industry still can't decide on a common way to support HTML. How HTML 5 will improve cross browser compatibility, it's anybody's guess. Give me flash and it will run on any browser it supports without fail. HTML? CSS? don't get me started...
@xsonicbladex scaling can happen automatically to fit your device... Its up to the programmer to do this if they so choose. I only watch movies on a 10 foot screen. I only listen to uncompressed music when I am really listening. Unfortunately a lot of people think compressed music sounds terrific. Everyone has their own priority and Apples is to minimize hardware in lieu of advertising dollars. Some put more into their hardware than advertising.
@uaboob I was one of those people for the longest time... Thinking that a 128kbps MP3 sounded fine why would I ever need FLAC or anything similar... Then I bought an entire album in FLAC and then was able to download it in MP3 as well I was literally blown away... I'm still upgrading my HTPC with more drives just so that I can re-rip all of my old CD's... Sounds so amazing now... Just thought I would share...
yeah looks like html 5 is the winner. the html 5 shown here was a older version it has been updated and even adobe said that flash for mobile wasn't as good as html 5 and even windows phone won't support it. so adobe has no other choice but to develop html 5 or be left in the dust.
rlouis215 1 month ago
I see all these post are past tense, let's fast forward to the future , Adobe kills off flash to focus on HTML 5 , LMFAO, how do u like them apples , pun intended
mysteroy3k 3 months ago
html5 is a shit not wonder it couldn't take off
BannyBunch 5 months ago
The difference on the desktop would probably be greater if you were using a PC.
theoriginalKland 10 months ago
question is.....who you want to control the animation on the web?... any browser (html5 world standards)? or just Adobe...
Couple of reasons it shouldnt be flash:
- Adobe flash is a propietary product and web animation should be open to every1.
- If Adobe fails in deliver a good flash plugin, we are all doomed.
- If Adobe makes good profit, other brands will come and u can tell the "standards" good bye (silverlight any1? lol)
I know u all know a few other reasons... just complete this list. ;)
cdct81 1 year ago
@cdct81
Why not have room for both, and let people choose which they would like? The way I see it, the more development tools the better. Let's more people jump into the scene.
TwistedHawk1 9 months ago
@TwistedHawk1 youtube..com/html5
WXKFA 7 months ago
@cdct819PROPRIETY?) so as apple mac and windows pc.. adobe plugin is free ... you probably own a mac and love steve bashing flash..
BannyBunch 5 months ago
Thumbs up if you watched this with flash
Coliekokker 1 year ago
Steve Jobs Himself SUCKs not Flash, big loser, Ipod, Iphone - Ipad hahahaha 3G 3GS 4G OS 4, sooon OS 5 never stop, iphone battery eater, and bursted so many times, cant extend memory sucks a lot Steve Job really bad job
soniasmile 1 year ago
@soniasmile ? Are you retarded?
HTML5 is WAY better than flash.
bobbystar101 1 year ago
uay this video is html5 enabled
dcj991 1 year ago
And it's the PREREALEASE version of flash.
5000abcz 1 year ago
HTML5 Canvas on iphone: SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
5000abcz 1 year ago 3
Html5 canvas: 6 FPS
Flash: 30, 20 or 11 FPS
Flash WINS, Yet it has to be better on android.
5000abcz 1 year ago 2
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5000abcz 1 year ago
Has anyone noticed that the only thing we're seeing is fps? If you've got any type of system monitor on your computer, look at your processor while running each of these tests. HTML5 tests took about half the processing power required by the Flash tests.
SporloMBSSB 1 year ago 3
@SporloMBSSB
Are you on a mac?
Macs are basically designed just for making flash take more power. On a Normal PC flash can get access to the computers hardware and use the graphics processor to make it more efficient. And even then Flash can still be more efficient on certain browsers.
StedySniper 1 year ago
If anyone's read the code this is running... the canvas demo being tested is highly unoptimised and using a very basic (expensive) rendering technique where the flash has been optimised quite heavily
I wouldn't trust these results as I don't think it's anywhere near a fair comparison
timwintle 1 year ago
html5 is the future. It doesn't matter if it sucks now because Flash was garbage when it first came out too. Give it some time to mature and I'm sure that it can be just as effective as Flash and then some.
oplixity 1 year ago
@oplixity
That's about as rediculous a comment as I've seen in ages. So you think HTML5 needs to mature to catch up with Flash? Running the same hardware now and performing as Flash did years and years ago on slower hardware?
Even if HTML5 was to mature in however many years they'll need to toil away to improve performance, Flash will continue to surge ahead. Horses for causes.
Many have raised the video tag in HTML5 replacing embedded Flash video, and I don't dispute that.
Sledge13graffiti 1 year ago 3
@oplixity Also, remember that flash is a standard that is controlled by one body (adobe) and can't be "interpreted" like HTML-x can. Look at all the different flavors of HTML. Not a single browser supports the standard to the letter. HTML 5 will not be any different. Microsoft will tweak it for it's own browser, mozilla and chrome will certainly follow suit.
curlyman72 1 year ago
Hurray! 5 years late, and still not on my Mac.
Adobe - move on!
jakobpeterhansel 1 year ago
Except flash has been in development for years and has had many versions... HTML 5 video and audio tags still have at least ten years of development to go so how about testing them when both products are finshed?
lazlowdiablo 1 year ago
Flash can be faster to display small animated dots, but try to run complete apps like Adobe's Buzzword on a netbook and you will see why AJAX is a lot faster on this kind of task.
marcomugnatto 1 year ago
It's worth pointing out that even Apple don't believe the future is entirely HTML5... they are developing their own Flash alternative called Gianduja (as are Microsoft with Silverlight). All of this competition for Flash may actually be a good thing if it forces Adobe to improve Flash. My only concern is it looks like the web is going to become more fractured in the medium term with the big players trying to force users onto their own platform in preference to the wider web. Err, thanks apple
fanjules 1 year ago 2
I recently moved to Flash from DHTML, Javascript and AJAX. It was a revelation compared to having to deal with all the browser inconsistencies of different browsers. I will be happy to move to HTML5 when it matures, but it may be some years before HTML5 has enough market penetration AND (this is the crucial bit) is identical from one browser to the next. I have serious doubts about the latter.
fanjules 1 year ago
esto es una patada en los webos a jobs XD
D4V1C0 1 year ago
you forgot that there is no Flash player on Apple mobile devices so why any developer would make anything in it? ;)
even Ads on web move away from Flash (unfortunately :D)
zarjesve2 1 year ago
You could compile your Flash demo to an Iphone IPA file using one of the CS5 beta builds, and then demo that on your iphone, just for "shits & giggles"
rabidowski 1 year ago
Good demo, though I'm not sure what to make of it. Seems like the difference between a software and hardware renderer. That can change. Somewhat related: I noticed that the benchmarks for FP is generally better on Windows than Mac, at "craftymind guimark2". It maybe that Adobe put its priorities on optimizing Win first. That could be the real reason for blocking flash: relinquishing control of the user experience to Adobe that treats Apple as a lower priority.
ikoino 1 year ago
If a company writes software which is designed to do this kind of thing (Flash), it's going to be more efficient than some new technology which doesn't require specialized plugins but is handled directly.
Does this ring a bell?
An application which is written specifically for a platform generally performs better than some cross-compiled stuff...
attilaworx 1 year ago
on my mac flash comes joint last with SVG.
TheGiantSponge 1 year ago
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TheGiantSponge 1 year ago
@TheGiantSponge SVG does better with shadows on though
TheGiantSponge 1 year ago
On Opera 10.53 canvas and Flash are the same :P
Gediminas1111 1 year ago
Maybe the Nexus One just sucks at rendering HTML5 :)
gcoghill 1 year ago 2
another win for Flash...
Aniforce 1 year ago
so am i understanding this correction? this is a comparison of a yet to be released beta of the flash player vs a version of webkit released 2 years ago.
alxknt 1 year ago 4
@alxknt Technically flashPlayer 10.1 is a Release Candidate, not a Beta.
theboyofspewn 1 year ago
@alxknt
. . . and your point is?!
ReddFeather62 1 year ago
impressive !
UTube2K6 1 year ago
I'm not sure where I stand in the whole Flash v HTML5 discussion. But how old is HTML5? Flash has been around for 10+ years (at least right?) so....its got a little bit of a head start. I'm outside my realm of expertise, but not all browsers support HTML5 yet....
madcityman 1 year ago
@madcityman Yes - Flash has been around the block a few times. Adobe has a massive head start on this stuff. The problem is that Apple and many others are stating that Flash is 'dead' because of this newborn tech called HTML5. Obviously, HTML5 has a lot of growing to do before it catches up, and demos like these prove that.
theboyofspewn 1 year ago
@theboyofspewn It would be a big surprise if Apple wouldn't say that they want only to use the new HTML5 with canvas because they initially introduced it. It was only later standardized by the WHATWG
W1ese1 1 year ago
@W1ese1 Not to mention that Apple owns patents in the HTML5 spec, and has reserved all rights in regards to them...
theboyofspewn 1 year ago
now this is a good demo
evillilmiget 1 year ago
But wait.. isnt this why all manufacturers of mobile devices are going to be using flash 10.1 except for Apple. That lazy Adobe they must have some evil sorcerer making all this new technology. Or is it possible that Steve Jobs was just blaming all the shortcomings on his apple products on others because that is the easiest thing to do, and now he has to keep his Apple people away from the real internet so they don't see what they are missing.
uaboob 1 year ago 66
@uaboob adobe flash is horrible html 5 is the future. When flash was first introduced it had problem left and right. Over the years it got better, but then it just..well just got stuck. I don't develop in flash anymore, sorry adobe.
atmancloud 1 year ago
@atmancloud html5 is not even a complete standard yet. You like it because it can use a video tag. Cmon wake up. I use html5 and flash. Adobe will get along just fine without you and Apple only has 5% of the market so I suppose Adobe will get along just fine without Apple too. Did you see the comparison with this phone to the iphone. Thats the future. Sorry Apple
uaboob 1 year ago
@uaboob well Adobe is helping out by making an HTML 5 export from CS 5...thank you Adobe...and have you seen those videos of IE 9 running HTML 5...pretty impressive...they must have found a way to make it GPU accelerated...pretty soon all browsers will copy IE 9...that's the only way they could get Flash 10.1 working on mobile devices...Flash 10 never would have cut it without GPU acceleration...
BILLYBOBMANTARAY 1 year ago
@BILLYBOBMANTARAY IE explorer still requires a plug in. Actually nvidia worked with adobe on the hardware acceleration and other companies that make hardware. I have a beta flash 10.1 and I don't need ie to make it work . I think you are missing the point of the video which is showing how much better flash 10.1 is vs html5 due to advanced technology and through cooperation with other companies. Will Apple survive without being able to produce advanced products. Answer NO!!!
uaboob 1 year ago
@uaboob hmmmm...I don't know...I never read anything about IE 9 needing a plug in...seems to run native...
BILLYBOBMANTARAY 1 year ago
@uaboob " Will Apple survive without being able to produce advanced products. Answer NO!!! "...well the iphone is not all that advanced...neither are their computers...or the Ipads...but they sure do sell pretty good...so I would have to say YES !!!
BILLYBOBMANTARAY 1 year ago
@BILLYBOBMANTARAY
im thinking that would be the equivalent of silverlight although i still cant catch up to that technology, looks like flash and java put together
Robindahoodz 1 year ago
@atmancloud it's been about 20 some odd years and the industry still can't decide on a common way to support HTML. How HTML 5 will improve cross browser compatibility, it's anybody's guess. Give me flash and it will run on any browser it supports without fail. HTML? CSS? don't get me started...
curlyman72 1 year ago 11
@curlyman72 Don't take IE as an example of browser compatibility.
xsonicbladex 1 year ago
@uaboob If the "real internet" is proprietary, CPU hugging and laggy as fuck, AND scaled down to fit on a 3" screen, i prefer not to use it at all.
xsonicbladex 1 year ago
@xsonicbladex scaling can happen automatically to fit your device... Its up to the programmer to do this if they so choose. I only watch movies on a 10 foot screen. I only listen to uncompressed music when I am really listening. Unfortunately a lot of people think compressed music sounds terrific. Everyone has their own priority and Apples is to minimize hardware in lieu of advertising dollars. Some put more into their hardware than advertising.
uaboob 1 year ago
@uaboob I was one of those people for the longest time... Thinking that a 128kbps MP3 sounded fine why would I ever need FLAC or anything similar... Then I bought an entire album in FLAC and then was able to download it in MP3 as well I was literally blown away... I'm still upgrading my HTPC with more drives just so that I can re-rip all of my old CD's... Sounds so amazing now... Just thought I would share...
Heratiki 1 year ago
@uaboob
Nope.. proven false
GarebearShields 1 year ago
But i though steve jobs said flash sucked
All hail soviet Cupertino :D
xleo21 1 year ago 44