Ill tell you what. The Ancient Greek surviving literature amounts to over 95 million words. And most of the top Universities in the US and Europe keep adding to their databases.When you read even 1/4 of those then you can call me Ignorant. Until then spend some time in the Library.
@joshlazarus Well I'm a pagan and constantly question my beliefs :) Either way, she is definitely a role model for both Atheists and Pagans, and anyone with a brain, come to think of it...
What an absurd caricature of christian history. Monotheism was NOT responsible for the "destruction of civilization." Without the refuges of christian monasteries after the Fall of the Roman Empire, much of our knowledge would have been lost forever. The monks preserved Greek and Roman philosophy in their Scriptoriums, and then the subsequent Church-supported Universities produced people such as Albertus Magnus who translated the Arabic texts of Aristotle into Latin. Please do research.
@StAugustine79 Why argue with idiocy? People don't want to listen to reason anymore--the world is about to be plunged into a new dark age for 7 years at least. A word to the wise is sufficient.
its true polytheist religions, promoted science..if u c all our planets are named after roman gods, and maths etc..and lot of christianity has taken stuff from these religion,for instance the story of noah is exaclt the same as the story of manu ( tale of the great flood in hinduism,and is also the oldest livng religion) and krishna was born frm a virgin mother (hindu again)..if the chruch dint stop spread of science hu noes where we would be now...and im a hindu so these things i said are true
I think the important massage to take away from the movie has nothing to do with monotheism or polytheism its more like no religion is above respecting human rights
well, she was a woman, a paganist and her family was very rich and of greek origin (which means she was envied by all the poor chirstians who rebeled against paganists). All three very bad things to be at those times...
Anyway to answer your finishing question, I'd pretend to be a degenerate Christian and flee to Persia asap, then help them punish the empire for turning on it's own people :)
Are you serious!? Christians destroyed so many scrolls and ancient monuments it isn't funny, scrolls of medicine/history/science/philosophy, funny that your name is Creedchrist, I've learned to never argue with a Christian because its like banging your head against a brick wall layered with shit.
horridly inaccurate movie. Christians didn't even destroy the library. And she was killed because of political issues not because "she taught men". The movie is littered with anti-christian and feminist/liberal rhetoric.
Another way of Christian persecution which started in the year 37 by Rome. The same arguments used by Nero who blamed the Christians of the fire that destroyed Rome.
Ignorence and false conversions was what cause the mad mass. That has nothing to do with Christianity.
BTW folks, the library depicted in this film was not the famed Great Library of Alexandria. This was the Serapeum, which was the temple to the god Serapis, and which (in this movie at least) housed some of the texts saved from the Great Library's destruction centuries earlier.
Actually, Hypatia was not an atheist. She believed in one God, just not necessarily the Christian or Jewish one. There's a blog written by a historian who has spent years studying this time period and the characters in it, especially Hypatia. Type in "Agora: the “Reel” vs. the “Real” Hypatia – Part III" on google and click on the first link. For some reason youtube isn't letting me put the link here.
It sucks so bad that it made me scream on my TV. They made a KEPLER out of that woman for crying out loud!!! That was so truly, unbelievably sketchy and sucky... No it was just plain LAIM.
As for christian depiction - better watch twice if you liked it so much. And look exactly into how up their own asses were the adversaries of christian (both "pagan" and Jews alike).
The movie Sucked and failed on each and every aspect.
Agora does a good job at depicting the destructive influence of Christianity in the final days of Rome. For the intelligent and worldly it must have seemed the end of civilization, like a darkness was swallowing up humanity. And it was...
I'll have to be honest about what I would do in her situation. I would tell them I'll convert. Of course I wouldn't actually believe, but I'd be alive.
Monotheism was responsible for the destruction of Civilization. EVERYTHING was destroyed.Only 1-5 % of the Greek works have ever been recovered, things that were stolen or copies that existed in Konstantinople and taken to Europe by fleeing Greeks in 1453.When these things were translated by Greeks in Europe they brought on the beginning of the Rennessance. We have app. 100 yrs to go before we can rid ourselves of the Scourge of Judaism Christianity and Islam.Monotheism is the scourge of Mankind
@ZeusTelemaxos Do you actualy believe that the movie is historically accurate? Do you know that some of the greatest mind that have ever lived were Christian theologiens who praised reason.
P.S: He have acces to the Greek works because of the monks who copied them and preserved them
@ZeusTelemaxos It's a little unfair to say that monotheism unequivocally was responsible for the destruction of everything. The Pathagorian cult or the Elusian Mystery Cult of which Plato was a member suppressed scientific innovations in Greece extinguishing the Ionian explosion before the Christianity existed. I'm an anti-theist (as Hitch called it) But it's not just monotheism to blame. It's superstition and fraternal elitism from which all religion is born that's to blame.
@ZeusTelemaxos But isn't it something that Christian Europe developed the scientific revolution rather than Islam. Yes, Islam had a brief Golden Age but the luminaries of that time were either non-Muslim or nominal at best. The early scientist of Europe were almost all Christian. I'm not big fan of much of Christianity as well but I try to be fair to all religions. The greatest threat to the world today is Islam. If it conquers the West a perpetual dark age will ensue. Will you stand against it?
The scientific revolution in Europe had EVERYTHING to do with the rediscovery of Greek culture and Art, and NOTHING to do with the witch burning, barbarity and inquisitions of Christianity. People risked their lives thinking scientific thoughts in the middle ages.
@ZeusTelemaxos actually greek philosophy was preserved by christian monks who participated in scholarly works such as history, philosophy,science,linguistics, even the precursor to genetic theory. St thomas aquinas and st augustine is accredited to applying Aristotelian and platonic philosophy to Christianity. later on the the renaissance would come about due increased to exposure and trade with the middle east, who also made strives to conserve greek knowledge in math and philosophy.
Me? I am a free spirit and that is what I would have remained if I was living in those days, as for those Christians in those days, I would have told them that they have forgotten all that Christ taught them and that I don't consider them Christians at all.
Just watched this movie after I rented it on iTunes. Once I heard it was about the story of Hypatia, which I remember hearing when watching Carl Sagan's Cosmos, I had to watch it. It was a great movie. Under-appreciated in my opinion, and definitely should have received more attention. As A.O. Scott said on At the Movies, it's like a Passion of the Christ for liberals.
I'd never heard or knew of Hypatia before I heard of the film. When I researched her, I became fascinated and inspired by her. She's become on of my female role models. She was very bold and brave.
This was a very good movie. My only problem with it was the aristocratic and narcissistic attitudes of the "Greek" members of the Academy, meaning Hypatia and her followers.
The whole "review" keeps on babbling about how Hypatia was not a matyr for science and completely misses the point that the movie never claimed that. It does however rightfully deal with the topic of religious fundamentalism and Christianities disregard for science, knowledge and everything that didn't agree with their view of the world and their believes, which is a fact. Christianities answer was often opression and violence for two millenia.
@bighugejake: It claims that the movie invents a second Library even thought it's just the historically correct branch of the library that was indeed subject to a pogrom at that time and two more in later centuries. It never claims the library was gone after that. Luckly books remained even though many were censored by Christian authorities (Synisius even complains about that. The real one, not the movie Synisius).
I read the Agora and Hypatia - Hollywood Strikes Again-"review". It's a bunch of nonsense. It claims the movie says that Hypatia was killed because of her science while the movie makes it 100% clear she was killed because of politics of Cyril. Which doesn't mean she wasn't killed by a mop riled up by Cyril who could still have hated her for being a Pagan, teaching women, witch, whatever.
I agree with you,Criss,this movie deserves more attention,christians aren´t used to hear their religion being criticized,there´s been always only movies in which christians were the poor innocent victims.I love the end of this movie,just before the credits,when appear some text saying that Cirilo was turned into a Saint after his death,even though he was a murderer.
It's being shown in Southern California at at least one, possibly more, small theaters. When I heard the name Hypatia I already knew what it would be about. She's my go-to when I argue that Christianity perpetrated the greatest act of treason against the human race when they got uppity at Alexandria.
This movie has still not be released in the US and I don't think it ever will. Also it is not availble on DVD either. I wish more people would talk about it.
@johncrab67 Me too! I've tried to find this movie, but its only available online! It should've been released in the US. No doubt it would've gotten a lot of praise.
As a Professor of Ancient History, I found found this film to be fair, balanced, accurate, and most of all, poignant. Most impressive was the director's ability to transport the viewer into, what I would consider, a very real world; what life was like in the late 4th century. Brilliant! And the message on religious toleration is needed about now.
I was aware of the story of Hypatia and really looking forward to this movie. While I'm not a huge Rachel Weisz fan (I'm still trying to forget Enemy at the Gate), this was an excellent movie and as I'm very interested in this period of history, the late Roman Empire, it really evokes it brilliantly. I can't praise it enough. And it proves that Hollywood should be catering for adult audiences instead of making kids' movies all the time.
This film finally opened in my city. Had you not posted this review I probably would have missed it. So, thanks for letting me know about it.
Thought it was wonderful example of a classic "sandals and toga" flick of a kind they don't make anymore. Craft levels in all departments were brilliant. Acting was first rate. Yes, it was a historical melodrama, but if one accepts that that's exactly what it was trying to be, I think the film achieved an epic level rarely found today in movies.
Seeing as the Library of Alexandria was destroyed 40 years before Christ was even born, or that many of Hypatia's students were neo-Platonist Christians... I would say that other than watching the lovely Rachel Weiss chew through scenery that this movie is historically bunk, but does hold true to historical fiction. But most of you atheists probably like to believe what Hollywood tells you to believe, so all us Christians are superstitious monsters.
@empacae Maybe you should read some books, they can even be very old works by christian churchfathers, then you'll learn that 4th century ce wasn't a 'nice' time. Nor christians 'nice' people.
Hell, even looking up Hypathias story on wiki would've told you that, and that the library wasn't destroyed 40 bce.
But most of all, it would be nice if christians would stop 'blaming' hollywood for my (lack of) beliefs. [the bible did that, you know] This is a Spanish film.
@LeafHuntress What books do you suggest? I'm open to discover any new insights. From early church fathers I have read Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, some letters and stuff. But all of human history, no matter what stripe (theist or atheist) is not nice. 'Hollywood' as they are the distributors of the film in North America. What we know of Hypatia is from letters from her Chistian students. Peace.
hmmmm christians had the idea from the start that convert or die they just dint have power and athority to do that. if you go back and wach christianity you see that it was a end of the world cult from the beging when the emperor constantinus made iligal to practise any other religion that is when the shit hit the fan. that was the wet dream of christians. if costatius whuld not have done that it whuld be most likley that christians whuld not exist to day.
Agree. Like the movie very much and I hope the dishonest Christians and powerful rich churches in many countries don't do anything underhand to stop it from being shown in cinemas.
I would convert to Christianity its silly dying for your beliefs especially if your not even going to be remembered for it after your execute in some creative way by those around you.
As for you question concerning Hypatia and Xianity maybe you should ask yourself, "If I were being forced to convert to Islam under the threat of death, would I do it?" I wouldn't, so my answer would probably be the same with Xianity during the 4th century. It can't be such a great religion if it kills people and if it were to take over in such a manner... Just a thought, but I find religion to be the source of misery and sometimes death seems better than going with the Vulgar.
Yeah you are right they do try to explain the heliospheric Universe Theory or whatever... but I hate movies that depict that Era as "anti women", the main Female Character "refuses" to marry because she doesnt want "to become a slave" like the rest of em stupid women, well that is the picture that movie gives uson the social construct. BULLSHIT. Women should have babies and be proud mothers and Men should be Men! Fuck feminism. Anyhow, great videos you make girl,
I walked out of that MOVIE, 20 Minutes into the game, it was anti Male BULLSHIT. Full of inconsistencies and bend historical facts about Judaism, Christianity and Beyond. If you ever read this Beauty think about this: The Producers of the Movie PROJECT their VIEWS on HISTORY and think that that is the reality of back then. Think about that. A real GREAT historical movie is: Apocalypto, Mel Gibson or The Bounty.
On your recommendation I watched this the other night. It was great, and i have always been fascinated by the story o Hypatia. I have also always been fasinated by the Cathar crusade. If you ever hear of a movie on that topic, let me know.
I am so happy you suggested Agora. I would never have known of it. I absolutely loved this movie. You were right, you do feel a part of that world. Agora was absolutely fantastic.
I just finished watching this movie and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I now understand why you like Rachel Weisz as an actress. She made an excellent performance in this one. Definitely a movie worth checking out.
By the way Criss. I LOVE YOU! But its OK. I have my wifes blessing because she loves you too..LOL. Thanks for doing what you do. We always look forward to your most excellent posts
The movie is awesome, there isn't something negative about it, as historical facts flow into a smooth and easy flow to be understood and a delight to learn more about this particular era... I'm reading my history books ever since because I want to know more...
I'd unsuccessfully try to hide my ideas(I'm pretty outspoken and a bad liar) and then be killed for corrupting the morality of their society or some such nonsense.
I probably would have done what a lot of the Jews did back during the Spanish Inquisition. I would have pretended to convert, kept up a christian façade but continue my studies in secret. But that's just me.
I just went and checked out the trailer after watching your video. It looks like an awesome movie. I'd never even heard of it, thanks.
Great review, you made me very eager to see the movie. As far as what I would do if I were in Hypatia's place: I would not admit my atheism, not when the odds are that steep that a homicidal theist will come calling. When it's you alone against psychotic enemies, I'd have to recommend you don't get yourself killed. I can appreciate sticking to principles, but it's much better to live to fight another day, when there might be a fair fight, and you have a chance.
Great review, I haven't seen the movie so I'm glad that you didn't give out the ending - although I'm guessing - now that it aint' good for a woman with intelligence!! :-)
+1 on Criss's review. The saddest part of this movie is where the christian zealots storm the library of Alexandria and burn everything in sight. There's no telling what knowledge was lost. I can see the equivalent of this happening again today if they ever get the theocracy they desire - but in the form of CENSORSHIP.
@citizen762 unfortunatley that didn't happen. The library was destroyed by Julius Caesar's before the time of Jesus' birth. The only reason that we have any of these texts today is because islamic and christian monastic communities preserved them.
Part of the Library wa destroyd by Julious Ceasar. The Story of Hypatia took place 400 Yrs before Islam was Invented, and about 300 Years after Ceasars death. The City was as its peak. in 391 AD Alexandria was like New York is today. compared to how New Yiork was in the year 1600. The Barbarity of the Monotheist JudeoChristians and Later Islam is consideed to be the Death of civilization. Hypatia invented the Astrolabe and she was considered a witch for predecting the future.
@ZeusTelemaxos Actually Julius Caesar set fire to the docks and the outer city. Not the library and the temple.
The Library was very well protected in the inner city by walls and channels of water.
Nor was his custom to destroy Greek/Egyptian knowledge and understanding.
That’s a vice the Romans learned from the Christian fundamentalists that infested Rome from the Middle East with their primitive and horrible view on knowledge(the apple of knowledge).
Aparently you dont read very well. Ceasar set the library on fire 300 Yrs before the city was at its peak.
Yes things were lost, but Nothing compared to what what was lost in 391 AD when the Judeobarbarians and their Satanic religion took over. Apparently 300 Yrs means nothing to you. The City was compared to the New York of today. Not the New York of the Year 1700. Big Difference
You misunderstood my comment. I dint contradict your statement on the issue of Christians destroying the Library in the 4th century. Nor did I indicated in my comment that JC attacked Alexandria in the 4th century. I was merely stating that JC attacked the city to conquer it, not to burn libraries. And he did so by attacking a strategic point, the docks, not the inner city and the library. There is little evidence to support any claim that JC made any damage in the Alexandrian Library.
@citizen762 @citizen762 unfortunatley that didn't happen. The library was destroyed by Julius Caesar's before the time of Jesus' birth. The only reason that we have any of these texts today is because islamic and christian monastic communities preserved them.
Criss - The Copernican model of the solar system (Heliocentrism) may have taken place 1000 years after Hypatia, but the first "scientist" to place the sun at the centre of the solar system, with the planets revolving around it, was Aristarchus, who lived around 600 years before Hypatia. Alas, according to Carl Sagan, the works of both Aristarchus and Hypatia were lost in the fire at Alexandria - helping to make way for the Dark Ages (of Christianity)
Thanks for pointing this movie out! sound like a movie I'll want to get on DVD (I'll check it out first though).
you'll have to do a video review of your top 5 undiscovered gems. don't know if you got the movie "Creation" out there but it played in only a few theater in Canada just because it was about Darwin. My sister said it was good.
Ya back then being a Atheist was like being a phedophile in our modern age. In the sense that they were thought to be without morals and pure evil. (not defending phedophiles lol):P
The movie is great and has a good message but it is not very historically accurate. I feel Alejandro Amenabar distorted the truth of the story, which would have had even more of an impact about religion, politics, science and philosophy.
Hypatia was probably not an atheist. It's speculative and improbable that she was.
Search "armariummagnus Agora hollywood" on google
It's is an excellent article that explains the historical inaccuracies of the movie.
I am willing to live for my beliefs, but I don't think that I am willing to die for them.
This is partly because so much of what I used to believe was true turned out to be wrong.
It is also because the 911 hijackers, and their suicide bombing brethren are oh so willing to not only die for their beliefs, but also murder for them.
The step from one to the other is a small one.
Living for your beliefs sounds more rational to me.
These kind of films can be so far from the truth of the matter that they are usually wise to describe as fictional. Who really knows what happened 400ad to those people and in their minds. To grasp their mindset from our time must be as difficult as them to grap ours > quite impossible.
i enjoyed this movie. but Hypatia's death in the movie was toned down. now wheather it happened after Hypatia was murdered or before: could anyone imagine being flayed alive by ostraca (pot shards) and then set ablazed.
And God spoke to Moses: "Thou Shall Not Commit Murder... unless you can find a loophole. And in that case, have at it. I'm outtie. Peace!"
I loved the movie, good review. I would have probably converted, survival is paramount. Besides, they can never take away freedom of thought. I might have felt like a hypocrite but at least I'd have been alive :D
i would of pretended to be a christian ..since my purpose was more important than my principles in this circumstance ... atleast i would still be alive and contribute more to the world by not telling anyone about my lack of faith..
and the sad thing is there sprobably thousands of atheists living like this in islam or other places where religion is too fucked up and matters alot to thoose people ...
I haven't seen the movie, but if it portrays Hypatia as an atheist and Copernican, then I doubt it's historically accurate. There were Heliocentrists back then--Copernicus himself actually appealed to the authority of Aristarchus, an ancient who promoted heliocentrism. But was Hypatia part of this? I don't know. Also, as far as I understand, she was condemned for being a pagan rather than an atheist.
People have pretty much always responded with violence to someone who stands seperate to the group. I think its a leftover from our social tribal nature when group unity was a necessity for survival. I dont know if anyone has died because of the global warming debate but sadly it would not surprise me if they had.
I probably would have been like. "Oh praise god and shit" just to keep myself in good health if you know what I mean then laughed at them in private for thier silly beleifs
Well, you are right for the most part there. It's hard to tell that we aren't at the center of the solar system, except the planetary movements of Mars, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn and Mercury made people question the model very early (Ptolemy around 100*ish*AD); which under close examination they appear to move "backwards" in relation to everything else. Ptolemy's model involved epicycles, using still the geocentric model.
Looked almost like that was what she was drawing. Check out Ptolemy's model.
If you think she is the first female philosopher, look up Sosipatra on Wikipedia.
I want to see the film also, but I'm a specialist in Neoplatonism. so I am afraid the historical flaws will stand out to me. She was not an Atheist, she supported traditional Greek religion. She did not endorse Heliocentrism (developed by Aristarchus about 600 years before her time). She was also about 60 years old at the time of her murder.
I love this movie, i was interest in see a movie about Hipatia since 20 years ago when Carl Sagan talk about her.
I love your opinions, are exactly equals to mine. XD
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Ill tell you what. The Ancient Greek surviving literature amounts to over 95 million words. And most of the top Universities in the US and Europe keep adding to their databases.When you read even 1/4 of those then you can call me Ignorant. Until then spend some time in the Library.
ZeusTelemaxos 2 weeks ago
Question for the religious folk: Who do you hate more, atheists, or worshipers of the wrong faith?
LowellMorgan 2 months ago
@joshlazarus Well I'm a pagan and constantly question my beliefs :) Either way, she is definitely a role model for both Atheists and Pagans, and anyone with a brain, come to think of it...
JulianusFlavius1 4 months ago 2
What an absurd caricature of christian history. Monotheism was NOT responsible for the "destruction of civilization." Without the refuges of christian monasteries after the Fall of the Roman Empire, much of our knowledge would have been lost forever. The monks preserved Greek and Roman philosophy in their Scriptoriums, and then the subsequent Church-supported Universities produced people such as Albertus Magnus who translated the Arabic texts of Aristotle into Latin. Please do research.
StAugustine79 5 months ago
@StAugustine79 Why argue with idiocy? People don't want to listen to reason anymore--the world is about to be plunged into a new dark age for 7 years at least. A word to the wise is sufficient.
FORMETOKNOWONLY 5 months ago
its true polytheist religions, promoted science..if u c all our planets are named after roman gods, and maths etc..and lot of christianity has taken stuff from these religion,for instance the story of noah is exaclt the same as the story of manu ( tale of the great flood in hinduism,and is also the oldest livng religion) and krishna was born frm a virgin mother (hindu again)..if the chruch dint stop spread of science hu noes where we would be now...and im a hindu so these things i said are true
TheLowsofSolipsism 6 months ago
Hypathia was the ZOMGitsCriss of her day.
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gideonjamesabbott 10 months ago
great review!
Johnchuk3 10 months ago
I think the important massage to take away from the movie has nothing to do with monotheism or polytheism its more like no religion is above respecting human rights
Johnchuk3 10 months ago
Anti-religion movie, can draw MANY parallells to todays history, but other religion...excellent!
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well, she was a woman, a paganist and her family was very rich and of greek origin (which means she was envied by all the poor chirstians who rebeled against paganists). All three very bad things to be at those times...
mebrowneyedgirl 11 months ago
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mebrowneyedgirl 11 months ago
She was in fact a pagan...
Anyway to answer your finishing question, I'd pretend to be a degenerate Christian and flee to Persia asap, then help them punish the empire for turning on it's own people :)
JulianusFlavius1 11 months ago
She was an atheist? That's news to me and every other credible historical reference one can find.
thegorn68 11 months ago
Are you serious!? Christians destroyed so many scrolls and ancient monuments it isn't funny, scrolls of medicine/history/science/philosophy, funny that your name is Creedchrist, I've learned to never argue with a Christian because its like banging your head against a brick wall layered with shit.
Trippinpatchouli 11 months ago 2
horridly inaccurate movie. Christians didn't even destroy the library. And she was killed because of political issues not because "she taught men". The movie is littered with anti-christian and feminist/liberal rhetoric.
CreedChrist 11 months ago
Recomiendo que leas Baudolino de Umberto Eco para que conozcas otra cara de Hypatia, aunque ficticia altamente interesante, saludos desde Montreal.
Babaldira 1 year ago
Another way of Christian persecution which started in the year 37 by Rome. The same arguments used by Nero who blamed the Christians of the fire that destroyed Rome.
Ignorence and false conversions was what cause the mad mass. That has nothing to do with Christianity.
ggonjon 1 year ago
BTW folks, the library depicted in this film was not the famed Great Library of Alexandria. This was the Serapeum, which was the temple to the god Serapis, and which (in this movie at least) housed some of the texts saved from the Great Library's destruction centuries earlier.
Syrinx69 1 year ago
Actually, Hypatia was not an atheist. She believed in one God, just not necessarily the Christian or Jewish one. There's a blog written by a historian who has spent years studying this time period and the characters in it, especially Hypatia. Type in "Agora: the “Reel” vs. the “Real” Hypatia – Part III" on google and click on the first link. For some reason youtube isn't letting me put the link here.
Besides that little detail, great review!
nn102707 1 year ago
I was forced to watch Agora and IT SUCKS!
It sucks so bad that it made me scream on my TV. They made a KEPLER out of that woman for crying out loud!!! That was so truly, unbelievably sketchy and sucky... No it was just plain LAIM.
As for christian depiction - better watch twice if you liked it so much. And look exactly into how up their own asses were the adversaries of christian (both "pagan" and Jews alike).
The movie Sucked and failed on each and every aspect.
SGresponse 1 year ago
Agora does a good job at depicting the destructive influence of Christianity in the final days of Rome. For the intelligent and worldly it must have seemed the end of civilization, like a darkness was swallowing up humanity. And it was...
GodlessInfinity 1 year ago
im spanish, i find funny hearing you speak about Amenabar sounds familiar to me, like when you lend your tracksuit to someone
i didnt watch Vanila Sky but i dont think it can be at the level of "Abre los ojos", the original one
jruizdemena 1 year ago
It was a damn good movie.
So sad how she died...
I'll have to be honest about what I would do in her situation. I would tell them I'll convert. Of course I wouldn't actually believe, but I'd be alive.
Does that make me a coward?
Zentz29 1 year ago
@Zentz29
"I would tell them I'll convert. Of course I wouldn't actually believe, but I'd be alive."
Yep, and that's probably what 99% of the so called Christian scientists & intellectuals throughout history did.
Syrinx69 1 year ago
@Zentz29 i wud hav done d same as u wats wrong in pretending if u get to live among the maniacs in those days
thescorpionking2020 1 year ago
I would have probably died when I was a baby. I think you would have stood up for your beliefs, you seem pretty ballsy.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
Monotheism was responsible for the destruction of Civilization. EVERYTHING was destroyed.Only 1-5 % of the Greek works have ever been recovered, things that were stolen or copies that existed in Konstantinople and taken to Europe by fleeing Greeks in 1453.When these things were translated by Greeks in Europe they brought on the beginning of the Rennessance. We have app. 100 yrs to go before we can rid ourselves of the Scourge of Judaism Christianity and Islam.Monotheism is the scourge of Mankind
ZeusTelemaxos 1 year ago 20
@ZeusTelemaxos or rather the fanatism that sometimes comes with it... believing in one and only god didn't ever destroy anything ; fanatics did.
purplelunacy 6 months ago
@purplelunacy Believing in one and only one God destroys your willingness to question.
LowellMorgan 2 months ago
@ZeusTelemaxos Ωραίος!
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@ZeusTelemaxos Do you actualy believe that the movie is historically accurate? Do you know that some of the greatest mind that have ever lived were Christian theologiens who praised reason.
P.S: He have acces to the Greek works because of the monks who copied them and preserved them
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@ZeusTelemaxos It's a little unfair to say that monotheism unequivocally was responsible for the destruction of everything. The Pathagorian cult or the Elusian Mystery Cult of which Plato was a member suppressed scientific innovations in Greece extinguishing the Ionian explosion before the Christianity existed. I'm an anti-theist (as Hitch called it) But it's not just monotheism to blame. It's superstition and fraternal elitism from which all religion is born that's to blame.
jeremylhay 1 month ago
@ZeusTelemaxos But isn't it something that Christian Europe developed the scientific revolution rather than Islam. Yes, Islam had a brief Golden Age but the luminaries of that time were either non-Muslim or nominal at best. The early scientist of Europe were almost all Christian. I'm not big fan of much of Christianity as well but I try to be fair to all religions. The greatest threat to the world today is Islam. If it conquers the West a perpetual dark age will ensue. Will you stand against it?
dtoiam 3 weeks ago
@dtoiam
The scientific revolution in Europe had EVERYTHING to do with the rediscovery of Greek culture and Art, and NOTHING to do with the witch burning, barbarity and inquisitions of Christianity. People risked their lives thinking scientific thoughts in the middle ages.
ZeusTelemaxos 3 weeks ago
@ZeusTelemaxos You are ignorant of history.
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@ZeusTelemaxos actually greek philosophy was preserved by christian monks who participated in scholarly works such as history, philosophy,science,linguistics, even the precursor to genetic theory. St thomas aquinas and st augustine is accredited to applying Aristotelian and platonic philosophy to Christianity. later on the the renaissance would come about due increased to exposure and trade with the middle east, who also made strives to conserve greek knowledge in math and philosophy.
MrRedo123123 3 days ago
@EqualAndFree "For a 1000 year Dark Age free thought was replaced by rote learning of "approved" texts"
Not if one lived in Ireland or Scotland.
MagUalghairg1916 1 year ago
Me? I am a free spirit and that is what I would have remained if I was living in those days, as for those Christians in those days, I would have told them that they have forgotten all that Christ taught them and that I don't consider them Christians at all.
orlandobabe 1 year ago
Just watched this movie after I rented it on iTunes. Once I heard it was about the story of Hypatia, which I remember hearing when watching Carl Sagan's Cosmos, I had to watch it. It was a great movie. Under-appreciated in my opinion, and definitely should have received more attention. As A.O. Scott said on At the Movies, it's like a Passion of the Christ for liberals.
caffingdu 1 year ago
The music in this movie's so moving!
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
this movie made me cry
rottenspectre 1 year ago 3
I finally found this movie on dvd in america. shockingly enough at walmart. amazingly beautiful and timely movie
fbvamp 1 year ago
I'd never heard or knew of Hypatia before I heard of the film. When I researched her, I became fascinated and inspired by her. She's become on of my female role models. She was very bold and brave.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
This movie was like a time machine in some ways, it makes you actually feel your in that place and time, really fascinating.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
@Noah2112 Rachel Weisz is fantastic!
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
This was a very awesome movie!
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
This was a very good movie. My only problem with it was the aristocratic and narcissistic attitudes of the "Greek" members of the Academy, meaning Hypatia and her followers.
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kennegun 1 year ago
The whole "review" keeps on babbling about how Hypatia was not a matyr for science and completely misses the point that the movie never claimed that. It does however rightfully deal with the topic of religious fundamentalism and Christianities disregard for science, knowledge and everything that didn't agree with their view of the world and their believes, which is a fact. Christianities answer was often opression and violence for two millenia.
Trampadoo 1 year ago
@bighugejake: It claims that the movie invents a second Library even thought it's just the historically correct branch of the library that was indeed subject to a pogrom at that time and two more in later centuries. It never claims the library was gone after that. Luckly books remained even though many were censored by Christian authorities (Synisius even complains about that. The real one, not the movie Synisius).
Trampadoo 1 year ago
@bighugejake:
I read the Agora and Hypatia - Hollywood Strikes Again-"review". It's a bunch of nonsense. It claims the movie says that Hypatia was killed because of her science while the movie makes it 100% clear she was killed because of politics of Cyril. Which doesn't mean she wasn't killed by a mop riled up by Cyril who could still have hated her for being a Pagan, teaching women, witch, whatever.
Trampadoo 1 year ago
I LOVED THAT MOVIE!!!
LimenSpirit 1 year ago 2
A must-see.And indeed, Carl Sagan was just as worried.
Swamoez0rs 1 year ago
I agree with you,Criss,this movie deserves more attention,christians aren´t used to hear their religion being criticized,there´s been always only movies in which christians were the poor innocent victims.I love the end of this movie,just before the credits,when appear some text saying that Cirilo was turned into a Saint after his death,even though he was a murderer.
MITHWORLD1 1 year ago
It's being shown in Southern California at at least one, possibly more, small theaters. When I heard the name Hypatia I already knew what it would be about. She's my go-to when I argue that Christianity perpetrated the greatest act of treason against the human race when they got uppity at Alexandria.
GabrieLaVedier 1 year ago
This movie has still not be released in the US and I don't think it ever will. Also it is not availble on DVD either. I wish more people would talk about it.
johncrab67 1 year ago
@johncrab67 The movie had a VERY limited release in the U.S., 7 screens total in N.Y. & L.A.
It is finally being releasd in Oct. on DVD.
America is apparently too sheltered to be able to handle any history concerning Xtianity.
lonebison 1 year ago
@johncrab67 Me too! I've tried to find this movie, but its only available online! It should've been released in the US. No doubt it would've gotten a lot of praise.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
As a Professor of Ancient History, I found found this film to be fair, balanced, accurate, and most of all, poignant. Most impressive was the director's ability to transport the viewer into, what I would consider, a very real world; what life was like in the late 4th century. Brilliant! And the message on religious toleration is needed about now.
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This movie seems to be pretty interesting.
VitoPossilipo 1 year ago
I am overjoyed to finally live in a time where justifiable disbelief isn't fatal.
PersonalPariah 1 year ago
I would learn how to make poisons and poison their water supply lol. Blood for blood is only fitting for those times.
DurexDurpaneu2 1 year ago
don't ask me cuz this is my situation lol
its very hard " almost impossible" to open somebody's eyes when they don't want to
picecs 1 year ago
How refreshing to see great beauty and powerful intelligence holding so politic a state !
mountainbreath 1 year ago 2
It is so grand to see Beauty and intelligence holding so politic a state in these times of dumb beauty , and TV smarts !!!
mountainbreath 1 year ago
I was aware of the story of Hypatia and really looking forward to this movie. While I'm not a huge Rachel Weisz fan (I'm still trying to forget Enemy at the Gate), this was an excellent movie and as I'm very interested in this period of history, the late Roman Empire, it really evokes it brilliantly. I can't praise it enough. And it proves that Hollywood should be catering for adult audiences instead of making kids' movies all the time.
MrTonymcmahon 1 year ago
This film finally opened in my city. Had you not posted this review I probably would have missed it. So, thanks for letting me know about it.
Thought it was wonderful example of a classic "sandals and toga" flick of a kind they don't make anymore. Craft levels in all departments were brilliant. Acting was first rate. Yes, it was a historical melodrama, but if one accepts that that's exactly what it was trying to be, I think the film achieved an epic level rarely found today in movies.
atthetopofmyvoice 1 year ago
Seeing as the Library of Alexandria was destroyed 40 years before Christ was even born, or that many of Hypatia's students were neo-Platonist Christians... I would say that other than watching the lovely Rachel Weiss chew through scenery that this movie is historically bunk, but does hold true to historical fiction. But most of you atheists probably like to believe what Hollywood tells you to believe, so all us Christians are superstitious monsters.
empacae 1 year ago
@empacae Maybe you should read some books, they can even be very old works by christian churchfathers, then you'll learn that 4th century ce wasn't a 'nice' time. Nor christians 'nice' people.
Hell, even looking up Hypathias story on wiki would've told you that, and that the library wasn't destroyed 40 bce.
But most of all, it would be nice if christians would stop 'blaming' hollywood for my (lack of) beliefs. [the bible did that, you know] This is a Spanish film.
LeafHuntress 1 year ago
@LeafHuntress What books do you suggest? I'm open to discover any new insights. From early church fathers I have read Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, some letters and stuff. But all of human history, no matter what stripe (theist or atheist) is not nice. 'Hollywood' as they are the distributors of the film in North America. What we know of Hypatia is from letters from her Chistian students. Peace.
empacae 1 year ago
wow!! Thank you for this video! I gotta' see this movie!!!
r0ck5tarrM 1 year ago
hmmmm christians had the idea from the start that convert or die they just dint have power and athority to do that. if you go back and wach christianity you see that it was a end of the world cult from the beging when the emperor constantinus made iligal to practise any other religion that is when the shit hit the fan. that was the wet dream of christians. if costatius whuld not have done that it whuld be most likley that christians whuld not exist to day.
gooddarkjedi 1 year ago
@gooddarkjedi Yeah. Well you should get out sometimes because you know things have kinda changed in the west. Not so much in Afghanistan.
giovanni9107 1 year ago
contributions got lost? I think they were destroyed.
SavageDogg38 1 year ago
Criss, I'm confused because my research said that she was a pagan. Are you sure?
xxxTayaRoisxxx 1 year ago
probably convert and then poison all the wells I could reach.. that would spare us from 2000 years of bullshit XDXDXDX
DocStrange0123 1 year ago
I love the movie, and it is funny how so many Christians out there said it was anti-Christian and asked for it to be banned.
firenearth78 1 year ago
I just watched this movie last night. It was amazing! Thanks for recommending it.
:D
a192589 1 year ago
Agree. Like the movie very much and I hope the dishonest Christians and powerful rich churches in many countries don't do anything underhand to stop it from being shown in cinemas.
smartcat001 1 year ago
Just go to Persia..they were Zoratostrians,so they wouldn't care.:)
Loveyouall91 1 year ago
Great movie, show real good the tragedy of stupidity.
Trinivalts 1 year ago
I would convert to Christianity its silly dying for your beliefs especially if your not even going to be remembered for it after your execute in some creative way by those around you.
ThePlannedEscape 1 year ago
I watched it and i loved it! :D
Great movie.
MrBoomable 1 year ago
that shit pisses me off cowards making threats well no matter what bullshit u believe in,what god u pray to.I SHIT ON U, YOUR BELIEFS AND UR god.
chaos9696 1 year ago 2
As for you question concerning Hypatia and Xianity maybe you should ask yourself, "If I were being forced to convert to Islam under the threat of death, would I do it?" I wouldn't, so my answer would probably be the same with Xianity during the 4th century. It can't be such a great religion if it kills people and if it were to take over in such a manner... Just a thought, but I find religion to be the source of misery and sometimes death seems better than going with the Vulgar.
MrianaTroi 1 year ago 2
Yeah you are right they do try to explain the heliospheric Universe Theory or whatever... but I hate movies that depict that Era as "anti women", the main Female Character "refuses" to marry because she doesnt want "to become a slave" like the rest of em stupid women, well that is the picture that movie gives uson the social construct. BULLSHIT. Women should have babies and be proud mothers and Men should be Men! Fuck feminism. Anyhow, great videos you make girl,
Hails!
Alex
AryanNoblemanXXVII 1 year ago
I walked out of that MOVIE, 20 Minutes into the game, it was anti Male BULLSHIT. Full of inconsistencies and bend historical facts about Judaism, Christianity and Beyond. If you ever read this Beauty think about this: The Producers of the Movie PROJECT their VIEWS on HISTORY and think that that is the reality of back then. Think about that. A real GREAT historical movie is: Apocalypto, Mel Gibson or The Bounty.
AryanNoblemanXXVII 1 year ago
On your recommendation I watched this the other night. It was great, and i have always been fascinated by the story o Hypatia. I have also always been fasinated by the Cathar crusade. If you ever hear of a movie on that topic, let me know.
gamutman 1 year ago
I am so happy you suggested Agora. I would never have known of it. I absolutely loved this movie. You were right, you do feel a part of that world. Agora was absolutely fantastic.
skywize 1 year ago 3
I can't wear it: makes me itch.
kherux 1 year ago
"... but what would I have done? I honestly don't know.
How about you?"
You, dear lady, are one of the treasures on the net.
**thank you** for what you do
paralleldivergence 1 year ago
I knew you were a Fan if not related!
Carl Sagan was a Great one, my favorite catch phrase;
"A galaxy is composed of gas and dust and stars—billions upon billions of stars."
We are the center of what? What center?
Thanks for sharing this and please keep it up.
jeepin4on4 2 years ago
I just finished watching this movie and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I now understand why you like Rachel Weisz as an actress. She made an excellent performance in this one. Definitely a movie worth checking out.
religiousnonbeliever 2 years ago
thanks for the review, just watched the movie and really enjoyed it
camnick8923 2 years ago
Really great movie.
But damn, it was more depressing than I expected. Hell, the ending could even be called disturbing.
It just disgusts me to think that stuff like this, and worse, actually happened and worse still, is the fact that it's still happening right now.
TookiGuy 2 years ago
By the way Criss. I LOVE YOU! But its OK. I have my wifes blessing because she loves you too..LOL. Thanks for doing what you do. We always look forward to your most excellent posts
ematt454 2 years ago
Rachel Weisz? HOT DAMN!
Gives me a reason to watch it. lol
SCRulerShinoda 2 years ago
well, I've never heard of it before but it looks decent, I'll try to watch it soon.
jonhhh13 2 years ago
in primur rand esti o blonda prostuta!
EU ti-am spus pt prima oara de Hipatia, atunci cand ti-am trimis poza cu "ea".
In al doilea rand Hipatia
NU A FOST ATEISTA SI STIMA ASTA DIN DOCUMNENTE!
EuVyck 2 years ago
The movie is awesome, there isn't something negative about it, as historical facts flow into a smooth and easy flow to be understood and a delight to learn more about this particular era... I'm reading my history books ever since because I want to know more...
Bambrette 2 years ago
I'd unsuccessfully try to hide my ideas(I'm pretty outspoken and a bad liar) and then be killed for corrupting the morality of their society or some such nonsense.
maj0rm0le 2 years ago
I wish I had the strength to see it but knowing about her gruesome end I don't think I could manage it...
RONLAST 2 years ago
Thanks, I'm surprised I hadn't heard anything at all about this film.
edgarae1 2 years ago
This girl is sooo beautiful.
doubledyll 2 years ago
I probably would have done what a lot of the Jews did back during the Spanish Inquisition. I would have pretended to convert, kept up a christian façade but continue my studies in secret. But that's just me.
I just went and checked out the trailer after watching your video. It looks like an awesome movie. I'd never even heard of it, thanks.
Disthron 2 years ago
thanks for this find... can't wait to see it...
chyrd 2 years ago
hey criss =))
very nice review surely made me wanna se the movie, thanks alot for putting this review out =))
loads of hugs and love =))
per =))
Pensionisten 2 years ago
Wow, thank you so much for this, I hadn't known of it. But I do know the story of Hypatia -- a woman very ahead of her time.
WARNING -- SPOILER:
...But can you spoil history...?
I've read that she was skinned alive with oyster shells by a mad group of fundamentalist Christians. Is this in the film?
Thanks again, Criss! ^_^
StevenErnest 2 years ago
I just saw the movie. It was great. Thanks for pointing it out.
ISeeFurther 2 years ago 2
Great review, you made me very eager to see the movie. As far as what I would do if I were in Hypatia's place: I would not admit my atheism, not when the odds are that steep that a homicidal theist will come calling. When it's you alone against psychotic enemies, I'd have to recommend you don't get yourself killed. I can appreciate sticking to principles, but it's much better to live to fight another day, when there might be a fair fight, and you have a chance.
NYatheist 2 years ago 3
I loved this movie, magical!
totally agree:)
fortunad 2 years ago
Great review, I haven't seen the movie so I'm glad that you didn't give out the ending - although I'm guessing - now that it aint' good for a woman with intelligence!! :-)
Daridawn 2 years ago
Saved on Netflix queue... Hasn't been released yet, but i'll be ready. :) Thanks for the review!
thookerov 2 years ago
Of course it was not promoted, it's not something the fucking mentally handicapped meme called Christians would want to see.
Proleetness 2 years ago 3
Thank you for this. I was not even aware of this movie. Like you said, it was not very well promoted. Now I really want to go check it out!
CelticMisfit 2 years ago
Added to my rental list.
MaskOfSanity999 2 years ago 11
+1 on Criss's review. The saddest part of this movie is where the christian zealots storm the library of Alexandria and burn everything in sight. There's no telling what knowledge was lost. I can see the equivalent of this happening again today if they ever get the theocracy they desire - but in the form of CENSORSHIP.
citizen762 2 years ago 26
@citizen762 unfortunatley that didn't happen. The library was destroyed by Julius Caesar's before the time of Jesus' birth. The only reason that we have any of these texts today is because islamic and christian monastic communities preserved them.
muhnlaven 1 year ago
@muhnlaven
Part of the Library wa destroyd by Julious Ceasar. The Story of Hypatia took place 400 Yrs before Islam was Invented, and about 300 Years after Ceasars death. The City was as its peak. in 391 AD Alexandria was like New York is today. compared to how New Yiork was in the year 1600. The Barbarity of the Monotheist JudeoChristians and Later Islam is consideed to be the Death of civilization. Hypatia invented the Astrolabe and she was considered a witch for predecting the future.
ZeusTelemaxos 1 year ago 10
@ZeusTelemaxos Actually Julius Caesar set fire to the docks and the outer city. Not the library and the temple.
The Library was very well protected in the inner city by walls and channels of water.
Nor was his custom to destroy Greek/Egyptian knowledge and understanding.
That’s a vice the Romans learned from the Christian fundamentalists that infested Rome from the Middle East with their primitive and horrible view on knowledge(the apple of knowledge).
eldadevata 1 year ago
@eldadevata
Aparently you dont read very well. Ceasar set the library on fire 300 Yrs before the city was at its peak.
Yes things were lost, but Nothing compared to what what was lost in 391 AD when the Judeobarbarians and their Satanic religion took over. Apparently 300 Yrs means nothing to you. The City was compared to the New York of today. Not the New York of the Year 1700. Big Difference
ZeusTelemaxos 1 year ago
You misunderstood my comment. I dint contradict your statement on the issue of Christians destroying the Library in the 4th century. Nor did I indicated in my comment that JC attacked Alexandria in the 4th century. I was merely stating that JC attacked the city to conquer it, not to burn libraries. And he did so by attacking a strategic point, the docks, not the inner city and the library. There is little evidence to support any claim that JC made any damage in the Alexandrian Library.
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@citizen762 @citizen762 unfortunatley that didn't happen. The library was destroyed by Julius Caesar's before the time of Jesus' birth. The only reason that we have any of these texts today is because islamic and christian monastic communities preserved them.
muhnlaven 1 year ago
Criss - The Copernican model of the solar system (Heliocentrism) may have taken place 1000 years after Hypatia, but the first "scientist" to place the sun at the centre of the solar system, with the planets revolving around it, was Aristarchus, who lived around 600 years before Hypatia. Alas, according to Carl Sagan, the works of both Aristarchus and Hypatia were lost in the fire at Alexandria - helping to make way for the Dark Ages (of Christianity)
Still, looking forward to seeing this.
Gcarse 2 years ago 4
Thank you.
GulSalve 2 years ago 3
"How about you?" <-- That instantly gave me goosebumps. :-/
OkNowImWatching 2 years ago
is this movie new i want to see it nice revue.
pinzgauernorcal 2 years ago
i'm gonna see it!
MeiziVu 2 years ago
Thanks for pointing this movie out! sound like a movie I'll want to get on DVD (I'll check it out first though).
you'll have to do a video review of your top 5 undiscovered gems. don't know if you got the movie "Creation" out there but it played in only a few theater in Canada just because it was about Darwin. My sister said it was good.
opaldragon75 2 years ago
ty 4 video really enjoj youre videos keep send me youre rewies i like youre rewies youre really awsome youre the best love youre steil i like it
CrazyXFox 2 years ago
Ya back then being a Atheist was like being a phedophile in our modern age. In the sense that they were thought to be without morals and pure evil. (not defending phedophiles lol):P
3dcow 2 years ago
lol I use Hypatia as the name of my gaming avatar, just because of her story... nice
ChackYaska 2 years ago
Saw this as well. Good movie.
EnervatedSociety 2 years ago
The movie is great and has a good message but it is not very historically accurate. I feel Alejandro Amenabar distorted the truth of the story, which would have had even more of an impact about religion, politics, science and philosophy.
Hypatia was probably not an atheist. It's speculative and improbable that she was.
Search "armariummagnus Agora hollywood" on google
It's is an excellent article that explains the historical inaccuracies of the movie.
bighugejake 2 years ago
I really liked Agora. Sadly, we can see knowledge and science persecuted even nowadays especially in islamic countries.
mirageiris 2 years ago
I am willing to live for my beliefs, but I don't think that I am willing to die for them.
This is partly because so much of what I used to believe was true turned out to be wrong.
It is also because the 911 hijackers, and their suicide bombing brethren are oh so willing to not only die for their beliefs, but also murder for them.
The step from one to the other is a small one.
Living for your beliefs sounds more rational to me.
PFWoody488 2 years ago
These kind of films can be so far from the truth of the matter that they are usually wise to describe as fictional. Who really knows what happened 400ad to those people and in their minds. To grasp their mindset from our time must be as difficult as them to grap ours > quite impossible.
RiemDouce 2 years ago
This looks like a great movie. I'll have to go see this one. Thanks for the review. =)
draac1 2 years ago
p.s. i remember there was already someone in ancient greece who said the earth went around the sun.
mycatisamoron 2 years ago
I hope this film isn't going to just be a feminist propaganda tripe and I hope they don't whitewash the Christian bigotrt.
mycatisamoron 2 years ago
No, it is not and no, they do not.
arokstone 2 years ago
We love you Criss! *downloads the movie*
777neotamakachi777 2 years ago
i enjoyed this movie. but Hypatia's death in the movie was toned down. now wheather it happened after Hypatia was murdered or before: could anyone imagine being flayed alive by ostraca (pot shards) and then set ablazed.
And God spoke to Moses: "Thou Shall Not Commit Murder... unless you can find a loophole. And in that case, have at it. I'm outtie. Peace!"
slurm420 2 years ago
I know what Richard would have done, he would have converted to christianity, as he has said on multiple occasions.
Me? If they come to me spreading their faith by the sword then their faith it is.
voyagervsbor 2 years ago
I loved the movie, good review. I would have probably converted, survival is paramount. Besides, they can never take away freedom of thought. I might have felt like a hypocrite but at least I'd have been alive :D
chestbuster1987 2 years ago
i would of pretended to be a christian ..since my purpose was more important than my principles in this circumstance ... atleast i would still be alive and contribute more to the world by not telling anyone about my lack of faith..
and the sad thing is there sprobably thousands of atheists living like this in islam or other places where religion is too fucked up and matters alot to thoose people ...
sidewaysfcs0718 2 years ago
Is this film was shown in Romania?
Because here in Poland(88% Roman Catholics) most cinemas are afraid of making controversy by showing this movie.
So I had no choice but to download it.
TheChaosWarrior 2 years ago
I haven't seen the movie, but if it portrays Hypatia as an atheist and Copernican, then I doubt it's historically accurate. There were Heliocentrists back then--Copernicus himself actually appealed to the authority of Aristarchus, an ancient who promoted heliocentrism. But was Hypatia part of this? I don't know. Also, as far as I understand, she was condemned for being a pagan rather than an atheist.
Wes964 2 years ago
Thank you Criss! I end up watching every movie you recommend!
BorrahAlive 2 years ago
People have pretty much always responded with violence to someone who stands seperate to the group. I think its a leftover from our social tribal nature when group unity was a necessity for survival. I dont know if anyone has died because of the global warming debate but sadly it would not surprise me if they had.
AudibleOpinion 2 years ago
I probably would have been like. "Oh praise god and shit" just to keep myself in good health if you know what I mean then laughed at them in private for thier silly beleifs
exacerbatedtaboo 2 years ago
Yes, she was the first woman to be burned under the claim that she was a witch. Fuck St. Cyril and fuck his canonization! That's all I have to say.
Antichrist4Life 2 years ago
the passion of the Atheist anyone?
DiceWarwick 2 years ago
I had not heard of this at all-- I'll definately have to check it out! Thanks, Criss.
GoblinXXX 2 years ago
i see it on your recommendation
rpVerlaine 2 years ago
With your review and checking the trailer you made this a NEED TO WATCH movie...thanks...
chuz87 2 years ago
This movie looks amazing, I wish I had heard of it sooner.
skywize 2 years ago
Looks pretty good. I hadn't heard of this movie until now.
Raverouso 2 years ago
I think I'll go watch this now thx.
Vesha667 2 years ago
i think i heard this convo quoted by Dawkins...or something like it...
"I wonder why people used to think the sun revolved around the earth?"
"Well, it looks like it does."
"Well, then what would it look like if it looked the other way around?"
alx90x 2 years ago
Well, you are right for the most part there. It's hard to tell that we aren't at the center of the solar system, except the planetary movements of Mars, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn and Mercury made people question the model very early (Ptolemy around 100*ish*AD); which under close examination they appear to move "backwards" in relation to everything else. Ptolemy's model involved epicycles, using still the geocentric model.
Looked almost like that was what she was drawing. Check out Ptolemy's model.
chon4186 2 years ago
If you think she is the first female philosopher, look up Sosipatra on Wikipedia.
I want to see the film also, but I'm a specialist in Neoplatonism. so I am afraid the historical flaws will stand out to me. She was not an Atheist, she supported traditional Greek religion. She did not endorse Heliocentrism (developed by Aristarchus about 600 years before her time). She was also about 60 years old at the time of her murder.
HConstantine 2 years ago
What would i have done?? I would have said i was a christian.. even though i'm an atheist
QuestionsAThousand 2 years ago
It kills me that Agora hasn't been released in the U.S. Why the delay?
defenestrati 2 years ago