Is the gray hair a testament to how much stress that guy is under? After Bush? I think the answer is yes.... no wonder he folds in negotiations... he's tired!
Really then please explain how no one even heard of the name of your god [ allah ] until muhammad introduced him as so ? 600 years after christ all of a sudden there's a new god on the block and no body ever heard of him uuumm..
@fordatude WTF are u talking about? Allah simply means God and is not the proper name of God. The same way Gehova and Elohim are also not the proper name for God. Muslims worship the God of Abraham as they are Abraham's decedents just are all Semites. Allah is the same God as written in the old testament and Islam has the same prophets as the old testament all the way back to Adam. So learn before u speak bullshit!
@osensei2987 --i asked someone to explain and i got you ? how come i always get the jerks .. look : jesus used the name elohim and he also called him father ..second you do not worship the same GOD thats in the bible because if you did you would know that the old testament is all about christ..over 300 times it talks about him . so if you want to talk crap go ahead but dont pee on my leg and tell me its raining ..
@fordatude Hmmm! It just so happens that Jews and Muslims both descended from Abraham and both believe in the God of Abraham. Even though the Jews don't worship Christ, you say they're God's chosen ppl. Yet the Muslims are supposedly going to hell for believing the same thing that the Jews believe? Maybe you should exam your reasoning a little. And please don't quote your favorite storefront preacher to me about Jesus in the Old Testament. Find a real scholar please! Not brother Swaggert! HAHA!
@osensei2987 --wow you got something right ..yeah but the difference betwwen jews and muslims is that muslims are descendents from ishmael and jews from isaac . second : muslims dont worship the same GOD as jews and christians third : the jews will come to accept christ as there messiah and be saved from hell ..sooo my muslim friend : where's your messiah ?
@osensei2987 --last ..if you knew anything about the old testament which clearly you dont ..you would know that it was christ who set his people free from egypt ..he is also the one who told sarah even though she was beyong child bearing years that she would have a son ..it was christ all through the old ..
We haven't had a recovery because factories are going to China, Food industries are going everywhere (Mexico, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand),. Technology to India, Automotive to Korea and who knows where else. The mantra is produce it with slaves and sell it to Americans! Then they preach to us about how resisting this BS is protectionism! My ass! There is no global economy w/o the US consumer! They're trying to build a global economy on our consumer's backs!
@osensei2987 If goverment scraps the income tax in favor of a flat tax with no deductions, say 17%, and anyone that doesnt pay taxes cant vote, then mabye factories will stay here.
@calimar28 Watch a show on BBC if it is rebroadcast called Blood, Sweat and Takeaways. Companies are working the shit out of poor ppl in Asia for $3 a fucking week! How is it that a 17% income tax is going to entice them to come back onshore when u have that type of exploitation to compete with? Secondly, those mofos can stay gone as far as I care. It's just that we need to close our markets to foreign multi-national corps if they're not gonna bring jobs here! Put tariffs on that ass!
@osensei2987 They left for a reason. As a buisness owner I can tell you haw fucking hard it is to run a buisness in America, with minimum wage, plus income tax, plus payroll tax (a total scam), plus secretary of state tax, plus excize tax, plus attorney fees, plus state tax, plus property tax, plus regulations, filing fees, lawsuits, I can go on and on. Its way to expensive here, so we outsource. What do you expect? People expect enititlments, so we leave.
@calimar28 It's hard because the multi-national / globalist / corporatist have bought and paid for your politicians to legislate you out of business so that they can set up global monopolies. They have an open door to our consumer markets. Even though they are really foreign entities they are treated like domestic companies. They use slave labor to make their goods and dump them on our consumer. The global economy is fueled by the US consumer but the jobs go elsewhere!
@osensei2987 If we had a 17% flat tax (which is fair) and no deductions, right away we dont need a CPA anymore, and everyone pays. On top of that scrap the minumum wage, get rid of payroll tax, get the goverment OUT OF MY FACE! Then companies will stay here. It is not goverments buisness to be involved in buisness. Right now 50% of people dont even pay taxes...should they get to vote? I say no.
the young turks, please can somebody shut the mouth of this irritating fat man. We can't take this guy serious when his native country is a fucking mess, erdogan changes turkey into a fucking totalitarian state with his new constitution
Sorry for being ignorant but I just found out the people who perpetuated the Armenian Genocide were called the "Young Turks"...so wtf is up with that? Why do they call themselves the Young Turks?
@r1ckyr4y The Young Turks also means upstarts, rebels, outsiders, or the new younger generation of bold status-quo challenging leadership. I'm pretty sure the name reflects this meaning.
A jobs bill amounts to more money into the Unions pockets. Wait at the time of this video the bill wasnt in exsistant. TheCBO also said the Health Care Bill cost only $820bil. Of course we now thats a lie. The stimulus bills have all been restricted to Obamas cronies. Energy companies, construction companies and very little of it goes to real growth industries. Get rid of the HC bill and unemployment will drop 2%. Stop Unemp Comp and it will go down another %1. Obama doesnt give a crap.
@mmac382 Emerging markets: "The place" where Republicans are investing their money and sending American jobs to, so that they can then sell products for pennies in the American market, that's right, the more you buy from Walmart the more jobs and money you are sending out of the country. Investors are not creating jobs anymore, guess who is the only one who can step in and do some thing about it? Are you getting the idea now?
@affiliate30 If you think foriegn investments in emerging markets is a Republican thing your just plain stupid. It has nothing to do with politics its just plain investing. One might say your scenario is right and awful but one can also say that Wal-Mart has created MILLIONS of jobs in the US and provides more tax revenue for the US than anyone. And oh by the way thier prices are cheap. Thats just evil isnt it.
@mmac382 Were you among the ones saying that Democrats were lairs? I wonder, 10% increase in employment in China, does this ring a bell? Hello, anybody home? "I" am the one sending jobs over there? is that why you want me to give you $700 billions dollars in tax cuts?
@affiliate30 China has found their version of Capitalism and its working for them. The problem with jobs your reffering to has nothing to do with NAFTA and sending jobs to China. Its technology that has reduced our manufacturing workforce. We still manfacture by far more products than any country in the world. We just need less people to do it. AUTOMATION. Its the exspensive unions that are forcing jobs overseas. Obama loves Unions.
@mmac382 NAFTA and emerging markets are not the same thing (google "emerging markets") "automation and expensive unions are sending our jobs overseas and Obama loves Unions" that doesn't even make sense, you are saying that the Unions have the Robots here in the US, And at the same time, that the robots are sending jobs overseas, you have gone nuts!!
@affiliate30 Are you illiterate or something? Is a two year old sitting next to you reading these post. Let me slow it down. Robots do not outsource jobs. But AUTOMATION does reduce the need for a large manufacturing workforce. Obama has recently (in the last 2 months) funneled almost $50Bil into Union pockets to pay off their corrupt retirement funds. As well as hundredsof Billions into Unions pockets for infrastructue building that wont create jobs. its a Keyensian thing. You know
@mmac382 "Robots do not outsource jobs. But AUTOMATION does reduce the need for a large manufacturing workforce."
if you are gonna be a inexperienced "know-it-all" teenager (like I once was one) I recommend you do a better job at it, failing to do so could even make you dangerous, if you say that the Robots that are reducing the need for work force are here in America, why would company owners need to outsource abroad something which the Robots are already doing for them here?
@mmac382 "There are some that machines cant do and those are jobs that are subject to off shoring."
man, the more Robots, the more jobs we create (truckers,warehouse people, quality control, road workers, more stores, teachers, trainers, machine operators, more people in marketing, more sailors, more people making ships, more people in sale department, more truck mechanics, more trucks being built, the list goes on...)
@affiliate30 OK I'll try to explain this very simple concept to you. Machines cant do everything. Those jobs that have to be done by humans are subject to off shoring. Do you understand that? I would never call you a stupid, inexperienced, know it all teenager because your 38 years old. So everything applies but your age..... and you dont know much of anything.
You can't make jobs when the last regime sent all of them out of the country via tax breaks for the top 5% and tax breaks for companies to "invest" in expanding overseas markets (outsourcing). I don't care if was MC Cain was in the white house it's near impossible to lure these "jobs" back when bush made it really easy for his buddies at the top to outsource, get a tax break and closing all the manufacturing divisions making sure these jobs never return to the US.
@mmac382 Intelligent spending, firing money never fixes things, and combining government bodies would reduce cost there are a lot of departments doing almost the same jobs, but taxes at the top need to be raised, it is stupid to even consider supporting the whole country using the wealth of the middle class and poor.
@JAMD456 But the poor do not pay taxes and niether do over %50 of what you call middle class. In fact %50 of working America does not pay any tax and those people fall into the lower to middle income brackets. Why Not? I agree with reduce government waiste by ridding some of our fraudulant departments. Thats a great Idea!
@mmac382 We really need to start looking into the average cost of living and tax in excess of that, reducing spending is required, we are spending money stupidly, too many pencil pushers in gov, army is too big, navy is largest in world. We spend money blindly on education firing millions into the system getting one of the worst results in the western world, Our healthcare is a mess, nothing wrong with private systems some European countries have working ones but we need tighter regulation.
@mmac382 Yes I can understand that, but we need to repair the dollar, or at this point abandon it altogether the currency is inflating out of control, as is the dollar and most non hard currencies.
@JAMD456 You rcorrect we do need to repair the dollor. The UE is faultering so abandoning it is probably not good. So we need to stop printing it and get our spending under control. Or inflation is going to hit us in a big way.
@JAMD456 I cant disagree with most of what you've said especially the spending part. Throwing money education only feeds a broken system. Id invest in family education and stop subsidizing those whom use baby making as a revenue stream. Private schools with vouchers and a guarantee of results is a good alternative. We just cant have Euro styled HC system. Too much diversity of races and needs. Euro may as well be a closed system. Much easier to manage. Even though they still do it poorly.
@ 1:54 he said the stimulus worked and created 3 million jobs... WTF is this man talking about??? Where are these 3 million jobs?? Certainly not in the private sector! MSNBC really is a lap dog for this administration.. 3 million jobs? Give me a fucking break. Unemployment has gone up since this man took office and pasted the "stimulus package" He is in way over his head. I'm not surprised. He was a professor and a community organizer... November will be a telling time..
@dontblockmedk Essentially Communism, which is not a bad thing, it is just difficult to get it to work people are corruptible, but then it really is not communism's fault all governments are corruptible.
A far easier thing to do is abolish the Federal Bank and return to Constitutional orthodoxy, the problem with the country is that the constitution is not obeyed, compare it to the way the country is run and look at what the founding fathers wrote.
@J NO this has absolutely NOTHING to do with communism. I know everyone has been brainwashed into thinking there are only 2 choices for everything. NOT Repub or Dem BUT NO GOVERNMENT.
NOT communism or capitalism BUT NO MONEY PROPERTY system or social stratification. The only way to eliminate corruption is to have a system that DOES NOT REWARD CORRUPTION, hence no money/property/competition, but ABUNDANCE/SHARING/COOPERATION.
@dontblockmedk I know that people are brainwashed into seeing only the two, what you propose in doing is idealistic, it will not work, it never has, there are inbuilt carnal natures within all that we would need to suppress otherwise the system would fail (Education helps here). Part of what is "wrong" is eons of instinctual action that is hard coded into ourselves. Also we do not grow up, as we grow older the "games" we play as children transform into what we see today the bullies oft stay same
@J Those things that you call human nature are NOT proven and there is a mountain of evidence that the are CONDITIONED BEHAVIOR. But let's just say for argument's sake you are correct, greed, corruption are 'inbuilt carnal natures'.
The question is do we keep the current system where that behavior is REWARDED and even essential for survival, OR do we create a system of ABUNDANCE where those behaviors become OBSOLETE because they provide no benefit? ie when all are fed no one steals food.
@dontblockmedk I am not suggesting we are stuck like that, but we would all need to actively focus on higher learning. And to the second no we offer no reward, but we cannot do this until people learn how we are conditioned and what the full alternatives are, those two video series are only one of two possibilities, perhaps if we came together a better idea could be found.
I like those ideas, but they would need a lot of co-operation to work and a form of governance to keep the system healthy.
@J Please watch the full video, the idea is NO GOVERNANCE. Just using the SCIENTIFIC METHOD to make decisions, NOT opinions of capitalists and politicians. This is OPPOSITE that.
Cooperation is NOT a problem, in fact, people are doing it all the time, and FOR FREE. Linux, Apache, wikipedia, all open source stuff. When people have all their necessities totally provided there will be an explosion of innovation and technology that you can't even imagine.
@dontblockmedk I know what you mean by open source industry and technology and I agree,
But we still need some form of government in order to keep things in check, the problem with open source is that there are often a large volume of people working against one another hence the reason most have benevolent "dictators" for life, to help keep everything organized. We need some form of leadership to prevent abuses, a council would be Ideal for this.
@J One of the biggest problems we have is small groups of people who have the power to make decisions that affect everyone. We do NOT need them.
VP proposes using the scientific method to make all decisions. We can use a computer database with all human knowledge and artificial intelligence to assess projects and determine the best most sustainable ones to implement.
We don't need leaders telling everyone what to do, just objectively produced what we need based on RESULTS and REALITY.
@dontblockmedk When you say AI aiding us in our lives the first thing I think of is Mother Brain or HAL etc.
I would rather a direct democracy then leaving all choices up to another singular mind that is open to abuse in many ways, we do not need leaders but we do need councils so that we can all voice our ideas and opinions.
Power from the top down is dangerous, but power from the bottom up is ideal, reaching a consensus would be difficult though.
@J NO, not top down. Think of it like a better version of wikipedia, where all the info is entered by many people and updated all the time with the latest info, also have sensors around the world that take REAL data from the environment.
Some things like making sure a certain amount of nutrients are in the ground can be done automatically. The AIs (more than one DECENTRALIZED) wouldn't have 'control' they just take in ALL the data to give suggestions to what projects should be implemented.
Think, why is it that the "corrupt" people in power have done nothing to take action against those video movements? Why are you able and "allowed" to see that?
I agree with the sharing of knowledge, and automation, but we also need to control our population, as well as living within our means, the Brehon Laws are a good template, probably the worlds only example of a law written taking into account man's actual nature as opposed to a social ideal
@dontblockmedk Hey dontblock, I have heard your ignorance before. You are part of that Z movement crap that believes hi tech cities and RBE would have the world live happily ever after. You guys live in lala land, but go ahead, build you cybercities with no money.
@dontblockmedk Lack of free market caused the problem and too much government control. Money is an important tool to use in a market economy, without money we would be living in a very poor primitive society with people starving everywhere. We need money just not government monopoly created money.
@19TEC85 That is not necessarily true, it is *possible* to have an advanced "money free" society, but due to the reality of the human nature it would be very likely unstable and eventually break down, money is just a trading tool an agreed "fixed" unit with value.
@JAMD456 So due to the reality of human nature it's actually not possible to have an advanced society 'free' of money. A money free society is an unrealistic idea. It's a tool that's needed, it's subject to the laws of supply and demand just as anything else.
Get it straight, folks. If Cenk criticizes Obama, it's because he feels he's compromising on the progressive values he ran and get elected on. When FOX News criticizes him, it's because they feel he's the scary hAfrican Marxist with a Muslim name, and it's Gawd's will we all be feeding off Sarah Palin's holy teats.
And the Democrats are the party of Reagan. The Republicans are the party of George Wallace. The real liberals are the Green Party or something.
@DaWierTX Spoken like a true Racists, scare monger with no clue on what the real world is about. The Dems these days are unfortunately the part of Marx/Hitler/Mao/Che and they dont even know it. The Reps are the party of Kennedy but unfortunately thats not good enough. We want the Party of true freedom.
YES IAM calling Cenk out. He spent a lot of time attacking fox news but they are basically all doing the same thing. I watched his interview with Bob Mcewan on Social Security and he portrayed the same fake anger that the Fox guys do all the time all in the name of ratings and ended up looking just as ridiculous. I guess maybe he wants Obama to show that same type of fake anger and bravado…maybe you want Obama to be more like Bush….well in November you will all get your chance.
@undergroundcollab So where is Cenk being factually inaccurate about anything he says?
And how do you know anger is fake? Should we just simply take your word for it because you're a mind reader or something?
And unless you say otherwise, we should assume you totally despise Rush, Hannity, O'Reiley, Savage, and Beck, which would show at least some degree of consistency.
@Scipio2021 I never said Cenk was being factually inaccurate, everything Cenk says is basically just his opinion anyway, like in this very video he is criticizing the presidents speech. Unnecessary bashing in my opinion. It just seems to be big business to be on the attacking side of the media I guess
@undergroundcollab The guy has achieved alot and continues to try to achieve alot and the Media Cenk included (I know you love him) just attack for ratings, that is what it looks like to me. I have no problem whatsoever with what Obama said in this videos speech so I have no Idea what Cenk is whining about. Unless ofcourse it helps him with is image of "Cenk attack" and "Cenks rants" etc and whatever other way he wants to market himself.
@undergroundcollab The bailouts are not something that were engendered by Obama however, so if you're prior post is to be believed Bush is the one you'd have to give credit too (cringes). Obama has actually just added heaps of Federal reserve notes, to the fire that is our national deficit, which is something you and I, and are children will never be able to pay.
@Scipio2021 Obama was sworn into office in January of 2009. He has been president for 1 year and 5 months. This is some of what he was able to accomplish in a short period of time: Averted a 1930's era Depression or worse with Bank Bailouts and Car Industry Bailouts.Passed health care reform.
Returned science to its rightful place" by lifting the Bush restrictions on federally funded embryonic stem cell research. Setting a fixed timetable for withdrawing U.S. combat forces from Iraq.
@undergroundcollab So you're saying you despise outlandish over the top news casters on both the left and the right and prefer getting the news from those on TV that are more calm about it.
I don't care how they act, as long as they're factually informative. So we disagree on style but not substance. That's fair. Some like Coke, others like Pepsi.
I feel like many Democrats are just a bunch of arm chair quarterbacks. They have no idea how to run a business and all the politics that needs to be played for a long lasting solution.
Democrat supporters are hypocrites I listen to Cenk all the time saying that democrats in Government are not working together to pass laws. The same thing can be said about the supporters. They don’t work together and are too damn impatient!!! Republican supporters are united. Understand this people YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE EVERY DECISION HE MAKES!! If that were the case then maybe you should just go and be president.
Think what would have happened in south Africa if Mandela came into office. Kicked out all the old people in power and changed everything to appease his base. He would have looked like a lunatic and would have completely alienated a large section of the country (much like what happened in Zimbabwe) GRADUAL TRANSITION IS THE KEY!!!!!!
If Obama does what you are suggesting, comes into office, puts in a super liberal cabinet, supreme court. Passes all kinds of liberal laws, raises taxes immediately, removes everybody from iraq and Afghanistan as you guys want. I guarantee you there will be more problems than you think. That is not how you transition. Transition is a slow and steady process.
So with all this Obama bashing I guess you think Obama is a conservative disguised as a liberal?? Is that it? I guess you think it is his plan to help the corporations and help his friends the conservatives. Yeah that is what he is doing. In my opinion It makes no sense to come into office and completely alienate all the centrist democrats and independents just to appease the liberals. Where are the liberals going to go in November. Are they going to Vote Republican is that it???
Hey turk, the problem with the economy is Obama. The 898b stim bill is a failure. Unemployment went as high as 10% at one point and now it is stagnating at 9.6%. The private sector does not know what crappy bill is coming down the street, health care has gone up, Obama policies have put insurance co, car dealerships, financial loan (college loan companies) offices out of bizz. The private sector are in bunker mentality not knowing if the Bush tax cuts will go, and ofcourse the dumb cap and tax.
@joskemom The Bush tax cuts were meant to expire after 10 years thanks to the GOP using what your kind love to call the nuclear option. If any business was not aware of this and cannot adjust then they shouldn't be in business. This also proves that the GOP was in their usual insincere bullshit mode when they dodged the question about how the extension of the Bush tax cuts will be paid for.
@Scipio2021 Hey scipio, businesses were well aware of the expiration date but they also have to adjust for this joke of an economic policy of Obamanomics. If Obama and the dems allow the cuts to expire then they really are clueless of how the economy works. Oh and when the Bush tax cuts kicked in not only did the unemployment go down to lower than Clinton's numbers but the IRS collected record revenues so that should take care of your 'paid for' problem.
@joskemom Health care went up during the Bush years, as he ignored the problem. Did you get outraged then as well? If not, then don't answer the question and prove you're a hypocrite. If so, tell us how you felt about when health care costs went up during the Bush era, and who did you blame from 2000 to 2006.
@Scipio2021 Tell it like it is. I'm tired of people bashing every single president that comes through because they want to focus on ONLY what he does wrong. Not telling the WHOLE truth is worse than a lie.
@Scipio2021 Healthcare was always going up because of govt regulations and no cap on liability lawsuits which the Bush and rep tried to put an end to.The threat of lawsuits was the major factor in healthcare cost. No, I did not get outraged because we still had a choice of insurance. Now Obama with his universal healthcare is taking away chioce and copying a system that is failing all over the world. And his total montra was lower cost and we see that too was a lie. Jan 20,2013 eviction date.
I really need enlightned again...HOW many supporters in Senate does Obama really have? He HAS the House, but why is the senate so difficult? How many people actually vote in his favor? I know ALL Repugs are against him but the Blue dogs, how many of those are there?
u know I hate to say it but there is know difference between cenk and glenn beck! Cenk you are basically getting popular and making money by bashing the president all the time....and you use all kinds of useless gimmicks,catch phrases to drive ur point across....dont worry ull soon be super wealthy and would have helped exactly no one becuase ur helping no one by bashing obama
Cenk criticizes Obama for refusing to take drastic steps to help the economy, and limiting corruption in government, among other things. It makes sense. Glenn Beck doesn't criticize the president. He tears up, foams at the mouth, and makes shit up as he goes along.
The job gauge stuff and catch phrases are annoying, but that's the only way you can get people to pay attention to politics. Flashing lights and big red buttons. It's sad, really.
@undergroundcollab I guess everyone should shut up and bow down to our Great Leader and over Lord-the President of the US. Only say nice things about him while he keeps innocent men locked in Gitmo and continues spreading war in the middle east increasing drone strikes that kill hundreds of innocent people,while troops die for an unclear undeclared war all in the name of making him look "tough" on terror. Let's all just shut up while Obama signs and renews Bushes patriot act.
The real "young turks" are heartless killers that killed Armenians, Assyrians, and Greeks in mass genocide during the turkish ottoman empire like the cold hearted killers they were. Why would you use a name like the young turks knowing their brutal history? Could it be because they're scumbags?
honestly, for those of you who think that jobs are gonna return just 2 years after the greatest recession since the great depression, then you guys don't know economic history. This thing is gonna take time, whether you like it or not. My only wish was that obama made the stimulus bigger and more targeted for small business, but the things is, not all of the stimulus has even been spent
@jamaicanification Why isn't he spending it? Is he holding on to it for a rainy day? We're paying interest on borrowed money he won't spend? Look outside Obama, IT'S RAINING!!!
Obama could create 11,000,000 jobs today. All he has to do is deport illegals. Don't forget 40% of illegals are NOT from Mexico. A German or Russian doesn't get a visa to come wash dishes. They overstay a visa because they've got a great paying job. Also, don't be fooled about the Mexicans. An illegal in the construction trade is now more valuable than an American because he fits in culturally with the rest of the illegals. Therefore the illegal is paid more. I've seen some making 60,000+
@TreyLutrash I've actually seen that happening. I know people who get a fake haircutting license from Syria, come here and overstay their visa, and then obviously make a lot of money because they are able to buy 6 bedroom houses for their families back home they were never able to afford before.
Deporting people does not reduce unemployment. Yes, the workforce gets reduced, but since demand for services/goods also falls, the unemployment rate does not really change. The correlation is not as strong as you may think.
PS: No German would go to the US and look for a job there.
@TreyLutrash I agree that the government should work on deporting illegal immigrants, but freeing up 11 million jobs doesn't necessarily mean everyone will suddenly scoop them up. Would you work at McDonald's for minimum wage with a college degree? Sure, some of those jobs would be picked up by high school dropouts and people who have lower educational levels, but those jobs are taken by illegal immigrants because some Americans simply don't want them.
@mrm87 I don't dispute the immigrant problem, but the American can do better than asking college grads to compete with illegals for fast food jobs. Have we fallen that far that we must be content with such a lousy option?
Obama created more jobs in two years during Bush's recession than Bush did in eight years after being given a ginormous surplus by Big Dog Bill Clinton. Obama's cut middle class and working class taxes to historic lows. Go vote Democratic!
@dizzymasekela Hey dizzy, what golly gee facts are you going by? Bush had unemployment down to 4.6% Obama has not created anything. Obama and his policies lost jobs. And what Obama tax cuts? The fact is there is a record number of people on welfare and 1 out of every 6 Americans are on some type of govt assistance. Obamanomics will bring the country to bankruptcy. The bizz world have no coinfidence in Obama.
More employment is only good if its created through the private sector based on real growth. Just because the stimulus created jobs doesn't mean anything good, if they jobs waste resources and are unproductive. We need productive jobs, not just any ol job. Wasteful jobs(gov jobs) bring up the deficit and waste capital/resources. People then loan to the gov instead of investing in productive areas in the economy.
@19TEC85 exactly, everybody in the USSR was employed but it did nothing to help their standard of living. productivity is what raises the standard of living, not employment. these jobs that were created were service sector jobs and will do nothing to help our manufacturing base.
@bonfirejovi and that is the problem with Obama, his idea is to tax the hell out of the rich and distribute the money to as many people as possible. He is the true believer of wealth redistribution and not wealth creation. Big, controlling, over whelming govt is what he wants. And this from a guy who never needed the use of a pickup truck to earn a dollar. Really, what business experence does this suit have?
"Let's get all bankers and we will all get rich. This is a strawman argument. I have never said, that the economy should be reduced to teachers only.
However, they do play a key role in creating wealth. The whole debate in the US/UK about the service economy is misleading, btw. Reagan/Thathcer have intentionally crushed manifactoring. Now, you want to change again? Every country needs jobs for less educated, that is important, but specializing is okay, changing fast not.
@AustrianAtheist,"every country needs jobs for the less educated."
Beautifull.
Let me guess,YOU consider yourself to be one of the "more" educated class,right?
It seems Proffessor Von Strudelstein has failed you in this fine academic rearing of yours,because you appear to have things the wrong way around entirely.
The people you consider "less educated",are the ones that actually BUILD and SUSTAIN countries from the ground up,the same "lesser" people that make YOUR "education" possible.
Hahah, I don't give a shit about your ridicolous political correctness, you pussy. I am from a working class district and proud of my proletarian roots. Yes, not all people want to study until they are 25, some want to have families earlier, some hate school and then, they are less educated. Fuck all political correctness.
And apart from that, it indeed is a problem of the US economy that their manufactoring is not that competitive. Free education, health care combined with taxing the rich like in Germany (and they could still tax the wealthy even much more) would make lower wages for the working class possible and increase exports and lower unemployment.
Instead of thinking about real measures to support the people/working class, you cry about political correctness. people like you ruin the labour movement
@AustrianAtheist You missed the point, the jobs you mention are not productive. A logger goes out, cuts trees for his employer who sells the trees to a mill. Out of the money he gets for the trees he pays the loggers salary and has money left over(profit). That is a productive job in economic terms. The same cannot be said for any of the jobs you mention. Your jobs have to be paid for by taxing the logging which may cause it to become unprofitable resulting in the loggers layoff.
@AustrianAtheist Yeah only up to a certain point. Policemen for example provide a service, but hiring more of them would not bring up the standard of living. Teachers, police etc are a luxury, something a productive society can afford to pay for, but without a productive base their would be no money to support a service sector.
Without education, there will be no productive society. And education, safety are just goods like material products. I support some Austrian economists (Schulmeister..), who point out that GDP indices are really incorrect and unclear, and start working with the happyness-index or other methods to messure quality of living
@AustrianAtheist Education is important but the college degress most get are worthless. That college game is soon going to be over. We need people that can do real practical hands-on jobs. I myself am ashamed that I have no home building skills while I sit in my cubicle answering phones and supportin computer software. What a pathetic contribution to society....I wish I knew how to wire a circuit or run some pipes
@lilbromarky1 Don't be so self critical about not having more practical 'home building' skills. Most people have one skill set they specialise in. We can't all be experts in everything. A lack of other skills does not detract from the skills you do have. As a guy interested in nice cars, I used to want to learn about mechanics - now I see I'm better off focusing on my professional skills and paying my mechanic to take care of my car for me.
@lilbromarky1 Obama thinks your very capable of pouring concrete and laying asphalt. So if you loose your office job you can go right out and get an infrastructure job. HA!
@AustrianAtheist I know education is important, but simply hiring teachers can't grow the economy on it's own. It's a service that is wanted and needed, yes. But the simple act of paying more gov workers high salaries does not add productivity that is needed especially in a bad economy. When production is high then we can afford to talk about investing in more services.
@19TEC85 you couldn't be more wrong. There's a demand for more teachers, so we need to hire more teachers so America's children have a better education and are not stuck in 40 kid classrooms.
And ask any teacher who's getting a paycheck if it's not adding to productivity.
It's far more of a real job than a wal mart door greeter, or a bank phone rep trying to justify that top to bottom NSF fee scam that the corrupt too big to fail banks have been doing to the American people.
@Scipio2021 I work with teachers everyday, I know whats going on. Theirs no money left in many districts, and printing more and borrowing more won't fix the problem or the economy. It's sad but that's reality. I agree we don't need more wal mart greeters or too big too fail banks. Our economy is in trouble because it's based on nothing but a over grown service sector. Americans don't make things and we use other countries and take advantage of the the reserve currency but it will come to an end.
@ethanhuntersmith That percentage includes people that stopped collecting unemployment, and stopped looking for work, that's around the same percentage it's been The 9% you're talking about hasn't changed much, and didn't help that the amount of public sector jobs lost outpaced private sector, that's one of the reasons why we went from 9.5-9.6%.
@ethanhuntersmith if they count unemployment how they did in the 30s then it would be 16% and underemployment adds around 7% to that. and it isn't 9% using current measurements, it is actually 9.6%
oh btw did anyone see Brian Williams on the Daily Show? He was pushing a story he was airing on MSNBC.... Jon Stewart says .. "MSNBC? I thought you wanted people to see it?" BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Cenk when will you and the Young Turds get it. The private sector doesn't owe you jack shit. Obama's tax rate is so high, a company can actually make more money by letting their money sit there. Why expand, hire workers, make a profit, but the profit you make is taxed so high you end up making less than you would if you never expanded in the first place? Face it, your monkey boy is blaming companies for not hiring, but punishing them if they do. I'm just sitting back enjoying watching him fail
Obama has reduced taxes, not raised them? However, high taxes are not punishing companies, who employ anyone. When you make 100.000€ profit and pay 30.000€ taxes, you still have 70.000€ after paying taxes, when you make 200.000€ profit, you still have 140.000€, which is more than 70.000€.
The slogans of you rightwing US-americans are so stupid, it is crazy. Did you support the Bush hand outs for the rich, the wars, the deregulation? Bush has fucked up the US and now you blame Obama..so funny!
@TreyLutrash 'Young turds'? 'Monkey boy'? Gee, that's a reasoned argument and not a racist ad hominem at all. So you think that the working classes don't pay unfairly high taxes relative to the rich? You think the rich don't take advantage of others to become wealthy, and they can't afford to pay higher taxes? HA! You continue sitting back watching these changes and calling names without bothering to investigate the reality.
@SupermarketsRevil Let's examine your statement. First of all the term "monkey boy" isn't racist unless of course YOU consider a certain race as resembling the primate family. But that would make YOU the racist now wouldn't it .. hmmmm
Point #2: your statement was .. "You think the rich don't take advantage of others to become wealthy" ... Your words, not mine. Now why would the rich have to take advantage of anyone to BECOME wealthy? They're RICH!!! Again, your words, not mine
@TreyLutrash Nice attempt to deflect my criticism there, however illogical. The term 'monkey boy' is widely viewed as having racist connotations, &is usually used in reference to black people. But hey, I guess you're just an innocent, pure minded victim of miscommunication & weren't trying to be racist at all (btw, humans ARE primates FYI).
Second, your response to taxes on the wealthy was a non-response. I clearly implied that the wealthy create wealth off the back of the working class.
Did Cenk just say the stim bill worked? Damn, is he on crack?
joskemom 8 months ago
Cenk you sound like pawlenty in his overdramatic 2012 presidential candidacy announcement video. "pres. Obama doesn't have that courage. I do."
dmcarefuldriver 8 months ago
Is the gray hair a testament to how much stress that guy is under? After Bush? I think the answer is yes.... no wonder he folds in negotiations... he's tired!
wjbluv 10 months ago
The republicans must be kept from power if any economic recovery is our goal. They are nothing more than slaves to the wealthy.
Groggy1981 10 months ago
I think Cenk has promise to be a great commentator one day, but I dont want him to leave TYT :(
dom44444 1 year ago
Where are all the logical thinking conservatives who don't support these lunatic republican views?
oodlesofosz 1 year ago
Really then please explain how no one even heard of the name of your god [ allah ] until muhammad introduced him as so ? 600 years after christ all of a sudden there's a new god on the block and no body ever heard of him uuumm..
fordatude 1 year ago
@fordatude WTF are u talking about? Allah simply means God and is not the proper name of God. The same way Gehova and Elohim are also not the proper name for God. Muslims worship the God of Abraham as they are Abraham's decedents just are all Semites. Allah is the same God as written in the old testament and Islam has the same prophets as the old testament all the way back to Adam. So learn before u speak bullshit!
osensei2987 1 year ago
@osensei2987 --i asked someone to explain and i got you ? how come i always get the jerks .. look : jesus used the name elohim and he also called him father ..second you do not worship the same GOD thats in the bible because if you did you would know that the old testament is all about christ..over 300 times it talks about him . so if you want to talk crap go ahead but dont pee on my leg and tell me its raining ..
fordatude 1 year ago
@fordatude Hmmm! It just so happens that Jews and Muslims both descended from Abraham and both believe in the God of Abraham. Even though the Jews don't worship Christ, you say they're God's chosen ppl. Yet the Muslims are supposedly going to hell for believing the same thing that the Jews believe? Maybe you should exam your reasoning a little. And please don't quote your favorite storefront preacher to me about Jesus in the Old Testament. Find a real scholar please! Not brother Swaggert! HAHA!
osensei2987 1 year ago
@osensei2987 --wow you got something right ..yeah but the difference betwwen jews and muslims is that muslims are descendents from ishmael and jews from isaac . second : muslims dont worship the same GOD as jews and christians third : the jews will come to accept christ as there messiah and be saved from hell ..sooo my muslim friend : where's your messiah ?
fordatude 1 year ago
@osensei2987 --last ..if you knew anything about the old testament which clearly you dont ..you would know that it was christ who set his people free from egypt ..he is also the one who told sarah even though she was beyong child bearing years that she would have a son ..it was christ all through the old ..
fordatude 1 year ago
We haven't had a recovery because factories are going to China, Food industries are going everywhere (Mexico, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand),. Technology to India, Automotive to Korea and who knows where else. The mantra is produce it with slaves and sell it to Americans! Then they preach to us about how resisting this BS is protectionism! My ass! There is no global economy w/o the US consumer! They're trying to build a global economy on our consumer's backs!
osensei2987 1 year ago
@osensei2987 If goverment scraps the income tax in favor of a flat tax with no deductions, say 17%, and anyone that doesnt pay taxes cant vote, then mabye factories will stay here.
calimar28 1 year ago
@calimar28 Watch a show on BBC if it is rebroadcast called Blood, Sweat and Takeaways. Companies are working the shit out of poor ppl in Asia for $3 a fucking week! How is it that a 17% income tax is going to entice them to come back onshore when u have that type of exploitation to compete with? Secondly, those mofos can stay gone as far as I care. It's just that we need to close our markets to foreign multi-national corps if they're not gonna bring jobs here! Put tariffs on that ass!
osensei2987 1 year ago
@osensei2987 They left for a reason. As a buisness owner I can tell you haw fucking hard it is to run a buisness in America, with minimum wage, plus income tax, plus payroll tax (a total scam), plus secretary of state tax, plus excize tax, plus attorney fees, plus state tax, plus property tax, plus regulations, filing fees, lawsuits, I can go on and on. Its way to expensive here, so we outsource. What do you expect? People expect enititlments, so we leave.
calimar28 1 year ago
@calimar28 It's hard because the multi-national / globalist / corporatist have bought and paid for your politicians to legislate you out of business so that they can set up global monopolies. They have an open door to our consumer markets. Even though they are really foreign entities they are treated like domestic companies. They use slave labor to make their goods and dump them on our consumer. The global economy is fueled by the US consumer but the jobs go elsewhere!
osensei2987 1 year ago
@osensei2987 If we had a 17% flat tax (which is fair) and no deductions, right away we dont need a CPA anymore, and everyone pays. On top of that scrap the minumum wage, get rid of payroll tax, get the goverment OUT OF MY FACE! Then companies will stay here. It is not goverments buisness to be involved in buisness. Right now 50% of people dont even pay taxes...should they get to vote? I say no.
calimar28 1 year ago
The people don't have any money because the savings rate went down to almost 0.
skwira001 1 year ago
The GOP must have photos of Obama humping a labradoodle. Poor dog..
bd1965 1 year ago
the young turks, please can somebody shut the mouth of this irritating fat man. We can't take this guy serious when his native country is a fucking mess, erdogan changes turkey into a fucking totalitarian state with his new constitution
revo989 1 year ago
Sorry for being ignorant but I just found out the people who perpetuated the Armenian Genocide were called the "Young Turks"...so wtf is up with that? Why do they call themselves the Young Turks?
r1ckyr4y 1 year ago
@r1ckyr4y The Young Turks also means upstarts, rebels, outsiders, or the new younger generation of bold status-quo challenging leadership. I'm pretty sure the name reflects this meaning.
TheGunpowderTreason 1 year ago
@r1ckyr4y Thier actually the Young Turds! An by the looks of this guys they arent that young.
mmac382 1 year ago
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@r1ckyr4y They're actually the Young Turds. And by the looks of this guy they really aren that young.
mmac382 1 year ago
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Small business jobs bill = YOUR tax money loaned to smaller banks, through offshore banks.
Turbo Timmy is in charge of the distribution.
What a deal.
jag10 1 year ago
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jag10 1 year ago
A jobs bill amounts to more money into the Unions pockets. Wait at the time of this video the bill wasnt in exsistant. TheCBO also said the Health Care Bill cost only $820bil. Of course we now thats a lie. The stimulus bills have all been restricted to Obamas cronies. Energy companies, construction companies and very little of it goes to real growth industries. Get rid of the HC bill and unemployment will drop 2%. Stop Unemp Comp and it will go down another %1. Obama doesnt give a crap.
mmac382 1 year ago
@mmac382 Emerging markets: "The place" where Republicans are investing their money and sending American jobs to, so that they can then sell products for pennies in the American market, that's right, the more you buy from Walmart the more jobs and money you are sending out of the country. Investors are not creating jobs anymore, guess who is the only one who can step in and do some thing about it? Are you getting the idea now?
affiliate30 1 year ago
@affiliate30 If you think foriegn investments in emerging markets is a Republican thing your just plain stupid. It has nothing to do with politics its just plain investing. One might say your scenario is right and awful but one can also say that Wal-Mart has created MILLIONS of jobs in the US and provides more tax revenue for the US than anyone. And oh by the way thier prices are cheap. Thats just evil isnt it.
mmac382 1 year ago
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@mmac382 "If you think foriegn investments in emerging markets is a Republican thing your just plain stupid"
Really, is that the reason why you want to give "us Democrats" in the top 3% of American income $700 billion dollars in the next 10 years?
"Wal-Mart has created MILLIONS of jobs in the US"
10% increase in employment in China, and 10% unemployment in the US, does this ring a bell? hello, is anybody home?
affiliate30 1 year ago
@mmac382 Were you among the ones saying that Democrats were lairs? I wonder, 10% increase in employment in China, does this ring a bell? Hello, anybody home? "I" am the one sending jobs over there? is that why you want me to give you $700 billions dollars in tax cuts?
affiliate30 1 year ago
@affiliate30 China has found their version of Capitalism and its working for them. The problem with jobs your reffering to has nothing to do with NAFTA and sending jobs to China. Its technology that has reduced our manufacturing workforce. We still manfacture by far more products than any country in the world. We just need less people to do it. AUTOMATION. Its the exspensive unions that are forcing jobs overseas. Obama loves Unions.
mmac382 1 year ago
@mmac382 NAFTA and emerging markets are not the same thing (google "emerging markets") "automation and expensive unions are sending our jobs overseas and Obama loves Unions" that doesn't even make sense, you are saying that the Unions have the Robots here in the US, And at the same time, that the robots are sending jobs overseas, you have gone nuts!!
affiliate30 1 year ago
@affiliate30 Are you illiterate or something? Is a two year old sitting next to you reading these post. Let me slow it down. Robots do not outsource jobs. But AUTOMATION does reduce the need for a large manufacturing workforce. Obama has recently (in the last 2 months) funneled almost $50Bil into Union pockets to pay off their corrupt retirement funds. As well as hundredsof Billions into Unions pockets for infrastructue building that wont create jobs. its a Keyensian thing. You know
mmac382 1 year ago
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affiliate30 1 year ago
@mmac382 "Robots do not outsource jobs. But AUTOMATION does reduce the need for a large manufacturing workforce."
if you are gonna be a inexperienced "know-it-all" teenager (like I once was one) I recommend you do a better job at it, failing to do so could even make you dangerous, if you say that the Robots that are reducing the need for work force are here in America, why would company owners need to outsource abroad something which the Robots are already doing for them here?
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mmac382 1 year ago
@mmac382 "There are some that machines cant do and those are jobs that are subject to off shoring."
man, the more Robots, the more jobs we create (truckers,warehouse people, quality control, road workers, more stores, teachers, trainers, machine operators, more people in marketing, more sailors, more people making ships, more people in sale department, more truck mechanics, more trucks being built, the list goes on...)
affiliate30 1 year ago
@affiliate30 OK I'll try to explain this very simple concept to you. Machines cant do everything. Those jobs that have to be done by humans are subject to off shoring. Do you understand that? I would never call you a stupid, inexperienced, know it all teenager because your 38 years old. So everything applies but your age..... and you dont know much of anything.
mmac382 1 year ago
all you idiots say you are so shocked on how obama turned out,, lets review,,
1-OBAMA STARTED HIS POLITICAL CAREER IN THE LIVING ROOM OF A CONVICTED TERRORIST-BILL AYERS
2-OBAMA IS CLOSE FRIENDS WITH RESCO--A COVICTED FELON
3-OBAMA SAT IN A RACIST-RADICAL-ANTI AMERICAN CHURCH FOR 20 FUCKING YEARS, SAID HE WAS UNAWARE OF HIS SURROUNDINGS
4-OBAMA WAS A MEMBER OF SEVERAL ANTI-AMERICAN FOCUS GROUPS IN COLLEGE,,READ HIS BOOKS AND YOU WILL SEE
now with the above FACTS, why are you shocked?
SAMODANO1 1 year ago
this an't news, it's entertainment
19fas88 1 year ago
The numbers are in! tun, tun tun tahhh ....and there kinda mediocre lol
klasco1991 1 year ago
You can't make jobs when the last regime sent all of them out of the country via tax breaks for the top 5% and tax breaks for companies to "invest" in expanding overseas markets (outsourcing). I don't care if was MC Cain was in the white house it's near impossible to lure these "jobs" back when bush made it really easy for his buddies at the top to outsource, get a tax break and closing all the manufacturing divisions making sure these jobs never return to the US.
nascarsuxx 1 year ago
@nascarsuxx You could always tax outsourced jobs making it expensive to do so.
JAMD456 1 year ago 8
@JAMD456 How about just reducing spending. Taxing never gets anywhere without cost cutting. Never has.
mmac382 1 year ago
@mmac382 Let me go ahead and show you what are the Robots that are sending jobs overseas: ( outsourcerandy(dot)com )
affiliate30 1 year ago
@mmac382 Intelligent spending, firing money never fixes things, and combining government bodies would reduce cost there are a lot of departments doing almost the same jobs, but taxes at the top need to be raised, it is stupid to even consider supporting the whole country using the wealth of the middle class and poor.
JAMD456 1 year ago
@JAMD456 But the poor do not pay taxes and niether do over %50 of what you call middle class. In fact %50 of working America does not pay any tax and those people fall into the lower to middle income brackets. Why Not? I agree with reduce government waiste by ridding some of our fraudulant departments. Thats a great Idea!
mmac382 1 year ago
@mmac382 We really need to start looking into the average cost of living and tax in excess of that, reducing spending is required, we are spending money stupidly, too many pencil pushers in gov, army is too big, navy is largest in world. We spend money blindly on education firing millions into the system getting one of the worst results in the western world, Our healthcare is a mess, nothing wrong with private systems some European countries have working ones but we need tighter regulation.
JAMD456 1 year ago
@JAMD456 No we need to reduce the cost of living. Just increasing taxs is a never ending merry fo round and never ends.Just as Europe.
mmac382 1 year ago
@mmac382 "There are some that machines cant do"
Thank you, if the machine can't do them, then the machines has nothing to do with those jobs going overseas, thanks again, have a nice day
affiliate30 1 year ago
@mmac382 Yes I can understand that, but we need to repair the dollar, or at this point abandon it altogether the currency is inflating out of control, as is the dollar and most non hard currencies.
JAMD456 1 year ago
@JAMD456 You rcorrect we do need to repair the dollor. The UE is faultering so abandoning it is probably not good. So we need to stop printing it and get our spending under control. Or inflation is going to hit us in a big way.
mmac382 1 year ago
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@JAMD456 No we need to reduce the cost of living. Just increasing taxs is a never ending merry fo round and never ends.Just ask Europe.
mmac382 1 year ago
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@JAMD456 No we need to reduce the cost of living. Just increasing taxs is a never ending merry go round and never ends.Just ask Europe.
mmac382 1 year ago
@JAMD456 I cant disagree with most of what you've said especially the spending part. Throwing money education only feeds a broken system. Id invest in family education and stop subsidizing those whom use baby making as a revenue stream. Private schools with vouchers and a guarantee of results is a good alternative. We just cant have Euro styled HC system. Too much diversity of races and needs. Euro may as well be a closed system. Much easier to manage. Even though they still do it poorly.
mmac382 1 year ago
@ 1:54 he said the stimulus worked and created 3 million jobs... WTF is this man talking about??? Where are these 3 million jobs?? Certainly not in the private sector! MSNBC really is a lap dog for this administration.. 3 million jobs? Give me a fucking break. Unemployment has gone up since this man took office and pasted the "stimulus package" He is in way over his head. I'm not surprised. He was a professor and a community organizer... November will be a telling time..
imax1971 1 year ago
Obama is a corrupt PUPPET
"Free market" is ROOT of problems
1. how do you stop negative consequences of the profit motive?
2. how do you ensures that everyone has the minimum necessities?
ANSWER
1. FREELY Share ALL resources & knowledge worldwide, NO more money/property
2. Use LATEST technology to create an ABUNDANCE of all our needs, NO more waste/theft
3. Automate/localize ALL production and distribution, NO more central control/wage slavery
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dontblockmedk 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk Essentially Communism, which is not a bad thing, it is just difficult to get it to work people are corruptible, but then it really is not communism's fault all governments are corruptible.
A far easier thing to do is abolish the Federal Bank and return to Constitutional orthodoxy, the problem with the country is that the constitution is not obeyed, compare it to the way the country is run and look at what the founding fathers wrote.
JAMD456 1 year ago
@J NO this has absolutely NOTHING to do with communism. I know everyone has been brainwashed into thinking there are only 2 choices for everything. NOT Repub or Dem BUT NO GOVERNMENT.
NOT communism or capitalism BUT NO MONEY PROPERTY system or social stratification. The only way to eliminate corruption is to have a system that DOES NOT REWARD CORRUPTION, hence no money/property/competition, but ABUNDANCE/SHARING/COOPERATION.
Watch the vids and you will understand
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dontblockmedk 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk I know that people are brainwashed into seeing only the two, what you propose in doing is idealistic, it will not work, it never has, there are inbuilt carnal natures within all that we would need to suppress otherwise the system would fail (Education helps here). Part of what is "wrong" is eons of instinctual action that is hard coded into ourselves. Also we do not grow up, as we grow older the "games" we play as children transform into what we see today the bullies oft stay same
JAMD456 1 year ago
@J Those things that you call human nature are NOT proven and there is a mountain of evidence that the are CONDITIONED BEHAVIOR. But let's just say for argument's sake you are correct, greed, corruption are 'inbuilt carnal natures'.
The question is do we keep the current system where that behavior is REWARDED and even essential for survival, OR do we create a system of ABUNDANCE where those behaviors become OBSOLETE because they provide no benefit? ie when all are fed no one steals food.
dontblockmedk 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk I am not suggesting we are stuck like that, but we would all need to actively focus on higher learning. And to the second no we offer no reward, but we cannot do this until people learn how we are conditioned and what the full alternatives are, those two video series are only one of two possibilities, perhaps if we came together a better idea could be found.
I like those ideas, but they would need a lot of co-operation to work and a form of governance to keep the system healthy.
JAMD456 1 year ago
@J Please watch the full video, the idea is NO GOVERNANCE. Just using the SCIENTIFIC METHOD to make decisions, NOT opinions of capitalists and politicians. This is OPPOSITE that.
Cooperation is NOT a problem, in fact, people are doing it all the time, and FOR FREE. Linux, Apache, wikipedia, all open source stuff. When people have all their necessities totally provided there will be an explosion of innovation and technology that you can't even imagine.
dontblockmedk 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk I know what you mean by open source industry and technology and I agree,
But we still need some form of government in order to keep things in check, the problem with open source is that there are often a large volume of people working against one another hence the reason most have benevolent "dictators" for life, to help keep everything organized. We need some form of leadership to prevent abuses, a council would be Ideal for this.
JAMD456 1 year ago
@J One of the biggest problems we have is small groups of people who have the power to make decisions that affect everyone. We do NOT need them.
VP proposes using the scientific method to make all decisions. We can use a computer database with all human knowledge and artificial intelligence to assess projects and determine the best most sustainable ones to implement.
We don't need leaders telling everyone what to do, just objectively produced what we need based on RESULTS and REALITY.
dontblockmedk 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk When you say AI aiding us in our lives the first thing I think of is Mother Brain or HAL etc.
I would rather a direct democracy then leaving all choices up to another singular mind that is open to abuse in many ways, we do not need leaders but we do need councils so that we can all voice our ideas and opinions.
Power from the top down is dangerous, but power from the bottom up is ideal, reaching a consensus would be difficult though.
JAMD456 1 year ago
@J NO, not top down. Think of it like a better version of wikipedia, where all the info is entered by many people and updated all the time with the latest info, also have sensors around the world that take REAL data from the environment.
Some things like making sure a certain amount of nutrients are in the ground can be done automatically. The AIs (more than one DECENTRALIZED) wouldn't have 'control' they just take in ALL the data to give suggestions to what projects should be implemented.
dontblockmedk 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk Also I have seen both before
Think, why is it that the "corrupt" people in power have done nothing to take action against those video movements? Why are you able and "allowed" to see that?
I agree with the sharing of knowledge, and automation, but we also need to control our population, as well as living within our means, the Brehon Laws are a good template, probably the worlds only example of a law written taking into account man's actual nature as opposed to a social ideal
JAMD456 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk Hey dontblock, I have heard your ignorance before. You are part of that Z movement crap that believes hi tech cities and RBE would have the world live happily ever after. You guys live in lala land, but go ahead, build you cybercities with no money.
joskemom 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk Lack of free market caused the problem and too much government control. Money is an important tool to use in a market economy, without money we would be living in a very poor primitive society with people starving everywhere. We need money just not government monopoly created money.
19TEC85 1 year ago
@19TEC85 That is not necessarily true, it is *possible* to have an advanced "money free" society, but due to the reality of the human nature it would be very likely unstable and eventually break down, money is just a trading tool an agreed "fixed" unit with value.
JAMD456 1 year ago
@JAMD456 So due to the reality of human nature it's actually not possible to have an advanced society 'free' of money. A money free society is an unrealistic idea. It's a tool that's needed, it's subject to the laws of supply and demand just as anything else.
19TEC85 1 year ago
Get it straight, folks. If Cenk criticizes Obama, it's because he feels he's compromising on the progressive values he ran and get elected on. When FOX News criticizes him, it's because they feel he's the scary hAfrican Marxist with a Muslim name, and it's Gawd's will we all be feeding off Sarah Palin's holy teats.
And the Democrats are the party of Reagan. The Republicans are the party of George Wallace. The real liberals are the Green Party or something.
DaWierTX 1 year ago 11
@DaWierTX Spoken like a true Racists, scare monger with no clue on what the real world is about. The Dems these days are unfortunately the part of Marx/Hitler/Mao/Che and they dont even know it. The Reps are the party of Kennedy but unfortunately thats not good enough. We want the Party of true freedom.
mmac382 1 year ago
15% unemployment? Well why dont we lower the taxes to give the average man more money... oh wait!
lololol ahahahahahahaa you americans suck, you should rename your country Nigeria II
DrakeIcn 1 year ago
presidents hair always goes grey
kieran514 1 year ago
YES IAM calling Cenk out. He spent a lot of time attacking fox news but they are basically all doing the same thing. I watched his interview with Bob Mcewan on Social Security and he portrayed the same fake anger that the Fox guys do all the time all in the name of ratings and ended up looking just as ridiculous. I guess maybe he wants Obama to show that same type of fake anger and bravado…maybe you want Obama to be more like Bush….well in November you will all get your chance.
undergroundcollab 1 year ago
@undergroundcollab So where is Cenk being factually inaccurate about anything he says?
And how do you know anger is fake? Should we just simply take your word for it because you're a mind reader or something?
And unless you say otherwise, we should assume you totally despise Rush, Hannity, O'Reiley, Savage, and Beck, which would show at least some degree of consistency.
Scipio2021 1 year ago
@Scipio2021 I never said Cenk was being factually inaccurate, everything Cenk says is basically just his opinion anyway, like in this very video he is criticizing the presidents speech. Unnecessary bashing in my opinion. It just seems to be big business to be on the attacking side of the media I guess
undergroundcollab 1 year ago
@undergroundcollab The guy has achieved alot and continues to try to achieve alot and the Media Cenk included (I know you love him) just attack for ratings, that is what it looks like to me. I have no problem whatsoever with what Obama said in this videos speech so I have no Idea what Cenk is whining about. Unless ofcourse it helps him with is image of "Cenk attack" and "Cenks rants" etc and whatever other way he wants to market himself.
undergroundcollab 1 year ago
@undergroundcollab The bailouts are not something that were engendered by Obama however, so if you're prior post is to be believed Bush is the one you'd have to give credit too (cringes). Obama has actually just added heaps of Federal reserve notes, to the fire that is our national deficit, which is something you and I, and are children will never be able to pay.
viletree 1 year ago
@Scipio2021 Obama was sworn into office in January of 2009. He has been president for 1 year and 5 months. This is some of what he was able to accomplish in a short period of time: Averted a 1930's era Depression or worse with Bank Bailouts and Car Industry Bailouts.Passed health care reform.
Returned science to its rightful place" by lifting the Bush restrictions on federally funded embryonic stem cell research. Setting a fixed timetable for withdrawing U.S. combat forces from Iraq.
undergroundcollab 1 year ago
@undergroundcollab So you're saying you despise outlandish over the top news casters on both the left and the right and prefer getting the news from those on TV that are more calm about it.
I don't care how they act, as long as they're factually informative. So we disagree on style but not substance. That's fair. Some like Coke, others like Pepsi.
Scipio2021 1 year ago
I feel like many Democrats are just a bunch of arm chair quarterbacks. They have no idea how to run a business and all the politics that needs to be played for a long lasting solution.
undergroundcollab 1 year ago
Democrat supporters are hypocrites I listen to Cenk all the time saying that democrats in Government are not working together to pass laws. The same thing can be said about the supporters. They don’t work together and are too damn impatient!!! Republican supporters are united. Understand this people YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE EVERY DECISION HE MAKES!! If that were the case then maybe you should just go and be president.
undergroundcollab 1 year ago
Think what would have happened in south Africa if Mandela came into office. Kicked out all the old people in power and changed everything to appease his base. He would have looked like a lunatic and would have completely alienated a large section of the country (much like what happened in Zimbabwe) GRADUAL TRANSITION IS THE KEY!!!!!!
undergroundcollab 1 year ago
If Obama does what you are suggesting, comes into office, puts in a super liberal cabinet, supreme court. Passes all kinds of liberal laws, raises taxes immediately, removes everybody from iraq and Afghanistan as you guys want. I guarantee you there will be more problems than you think. That is not how you transition. Transition is a slow and steady process.
undergroundcollab 1 year ago
So with all this Obama bashing I guess you think Obama is a conservative disguised as a liberal?? Is that it? I guess you think it is his plan to help the corporations and help his friends the conservatives. Yeah that is what he is doing. In my opinion It makes no sense to come into office and completely alienate all the centrist democrats and independents just to appease the liberals. Where are the liberals going to go in November. Are they going to Vote Republican is that it???
undergroundcollab 1 year ago
Hey turk, the problem with the economy is Obama. The 898b stim bill is a failure. Unemployment went as high as 10% at one point and now it is stagnating at 9.6%. The private sector does not know what crappy bill is coming down the street, health care has gone up, Obama policies have put insurance co, car dealerships, financial loan (college loan companies) offices out of bizz. The private sector are in bunker mentality not knowing if the Bush tax cuts will go, and ofcourse the dumb cap and tax.
joskemom 1 year ago
@joskemom The Bush tax cuts were meant to expire after 10 years thanks to the GOP using what your kind love to call the nuclear option. If any business was not aware of this and cannot adjust then they shouldn't be in business. This also proves that the GOP was in their usual insincere bullshit mode when they dodged the question about how the extension of the Bush tax cuts will be paid for.
Scipio2021 1 year ago
@Scipio2021 Hey scipio, businesses were well aware of the expiration date but they also have to adjust for this joke of an economic policy of Obamanomics. If Obama and the dems allow the cuts to expire then they really are clueless of how the economy works. Oh and when the Bush tax cuts kicked in not only did the unemployment go down to lower than Clinton's numbers but the IRS collected record revenues so that should take care of your 'paid for' problem.
joskemom 1 year ago
@joskemom Health care went up during the Bush years, as he ignored the problem. Did you get outraged then as well? If not, then don't answer the question and prove you're a hypocrite. If so, tell us how you felt about when health care costs went up during the Bush era, and who did you blame from 2000 to 2006.
Scipio2021 1 year ago
@Scipio2021 Tell it like it is. I'm tired of people bashing every single president that comes through because they want to focus on ONLY what he does wrong. Not telling the WHOLE truth is worse than a lie.
scruffziller 1 year ago
@Scipio2021 Healthcare was always going up because of govt regulations and no cap on liability lawsuits which the Bush and rep tried to put an end to.The threat of lawsuits was the major factor in healthcare cost. No, I did not get outraged because we still had a choice of insurance. Now Obama with his universal healthcare is taking away chioce and copying a system that is failing all over the world. And his total montra was lower cost and we see that too was a lie. Jan 20,2013 eviction date.
joskemom 1 year ago
Cenk is "Bad Ass" right on target.
UCVibes 1 year ago
I really need enlightned again...HOW many supporters in Senate does Obama really have? He HAS the House, but why is the senate so difficult? How many people actually vote in his favor? I know ALL Repugs are against him but the Blue dogs, how many of those are there?
fonkymaster 1 year ago
@Pilaf1984
And Clinton
fonkymaster 1 year ago
u know I hate to say it but there is know difference between cenk and glenn beck! Cenk you are basically getting popular and making money by bashing the president all the time....and you use all kinds of useless gimmicks,catch phrases to drive ur point across....dont worry ull soon be super wealthy and would have helped exactly no one becuase ur helping no one by bashing obama
undergroundcollab 1 year ago
@undergroundcollab,
Cenk criticizes Obama for refusing to take drastic steps to help the economy, and limiting corruption in government, among other things. It makes sense. Glenn Beck doesn't criticize the president. He tears up, foams at the mouth, and makes shit up as he goes along.
The job gauge stuff and catch phrases are annoying, but that's the only way you can get people to pay attention to politics. Flashing lights and big red buttons. It's sad, really.
IngridEkpo 1 year ago
@undergroundcollab Then you'll be able to say how Cenk is wrong by bashing Obama or prove your opinion is impotent and worthless by not answering.
Scipio2021 1 year ago
@Scipio2021 I have replied above sir :)
undergroundcollab 1 year ago
@undergroundcollab I have replied above sir
undergroundcollab 1 year ago
@undergroundcollab I guess everyone should shut up and bow down to our Great Leader and over Lord-the President of the US. Only say nice things about him while he keeps innocent men locked in Gitmo and continues spreading war in the middle east increasing drone strikes that kill hundreds of innocent people,while troops die for an unclear undeclared war all in the name of making him look "tough" on terror. Let's all just shut up while Obama signs and renews Bushes patriot act.
19TEC85 1 year ago
@19TEC85 my reply is above
undergroundcollab 1 year ago
Labor Nay? I bet before that the boys in the newsroom had a good snicker about Labor Gee A Why.
daevczen 1 year ago
WHY ARE WE WATCHING THIS, CENK SHOULD JUST HAND OUT THE TELEPROMPT SCRIPT AND IT WOULD BE MUCH EASIER
erdal0 1 year ago
Obama said that his, (and the Democrat party), Trillion dollar "stimulus" plan,
was necesssary to grow the economy.
So, yes Cenk, the Obama Administration did do something else wrong.
Call it what you will, he lied to us.
bobbytiger 1 year ago
tv cenk is not as likable
spaik007 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
The real "young turks" are heartless killers that killed Armenians, Assyrians, and Greeks in mass genocide during the turkish ottoman empire like the cold hearted killers they were. Why would you use a name like the young turks knowing their brutal history? Could it be because they're scumbags?
NMEzZNVME 1 year ago
the republicans only want to hurt the economy so a republican get's voted into the big house in 12..
unlovingfilms 1 year ago
he needs to go back to the same person he was on the internet when he goes on tv its like they control him and make him a totaly diffrent person.
Bobmarley4201992 1 year ago
Christ does Ratigan even host the show anymore?
F33bs 1 year ago
honestly, for those of you who think that jobs are gonna return just 2 years after the greatest recession since the great depression, then you guys don't know economic history. This thing is gonna take time, whether you like it or not. My only wish was that obama made the stimulus bigger and more targeted for small business, but the things is, not all of the stimulus has even been spent
jamaicanification 1 year ago
@jamaicanification True, and they need to stabilize the workforce until then. Stop cutting people off of unemployment, help the 99ers.
godawefulll 1 year ago
@jamaicanification Why isn't he spending it? Is he holding on to it for a rainy day? We're paying interest on borrowed money he won't spend? Look outside Obama, IT'S RAINING!!!
TreyLutrash 1 year ago
Obama could create 11,000,000 jobs today. All he has to do is deport illegals. Don't forget 40% of illegals are NOT from Mexico. A German or Russian doesn't get a visa to come wash dishes. They overstay a visa because they've got a great paying job. Also, don't be fooled about the Mexicans. An illegal in the construction trade is now more valuable than an American because he fits in culturally with the rest of the illegals. Therefore the illegal is paid more. I've seen some making 60,000+
TreyLutrash 1 year ago
@TreyLutrash I've actually seen that happening. I know people who get a fake haircutting license from Syria, come here and overstay their visa, and then obviously make a lot of money because they are able to buy 6 bedroom houses for their families back home they were never able to afford before.
Cherri3x3 1 year ago
This is one of the most common mistakes:
Deporting people does not reduce unemployment. Yes, the workforce gets reduced, but since demand for services/goods also falls, the unemployment rate does not really change. The correlation is not as strong as you may think.
PS: No German would go to the US and look for a job there.
AustrianAtheist 1 year ago
@TreyLutrash I agree that the government should work on deporting illegal immigrants, but freeing up 11 million jobs doesn't necessarily mean everyone will suddenly scoop them up. Would you work at McDonald's for minimum wage with a college degree? Sure, some of those jobs would be picked up by high school dropouts and people who have lower educational levels, but those jobs are taken by illegal immigrants because some Americans simply don't want them.
mrm87 1 year ago
@mrm87 I don't dispute the immigrant problem, but the American can do better than asking college grads to compete with illegals for fast food jobs. Have we fallen that far that we must be content with such a lousy option?
Scipio2021 1 year ago
Printing money and handing it out technically can create jobs as it did, but it's not sustainable.
gotitans999 1 year ago
Obama created more jobs in two years during Bush's recession than Bush did in eight years after being given a ginormous surplus by Big Dog Bill Clinton. Obama's cut middle class and working class taxes to historic lows. Go vote Democratic!
dizzymasekela 1 year ago 2
@dizzymasekela Hey dizzy, what golly gee facts are you going by? Bush had unemployment down to 4.6% Obama has not created anything. Obama and his policies lost jobs. And what Obama tax cuts? The fact is there is a record number of people on welfare and 1 out of every 6 Americans are on some type of govt assistance. Obamanomics will bring the country to bankruptcy. The bizz world have no coinfidence in Obama.
joskemom 1 year ago
This shit is scary.
EliteDoomer 1 year ago
Alexander Hamilton manufacturing policies, that's enough said.
Macabre215 1 year ago
More employment is only good if its created through the private sector based on real growth. Just because the stimulus created jobs doesn't mean anything good, if they jobs waste resources and are unproductive. We need productive jobs, not just any ol job. Wasteful jobs(gov jobs) bring up the deficit and waste capital/resources. People then loan to the gov instead of investing in productive areas in the economy.
19TEC85 1 year ago 2
@19TEC85 exactly, everybody in the USSR was employed but it did nothing to help their standard of living. productivity is what raises the standard of living, not employment. these jobs that were created were service sector jobs and will do nothing to help our manufacturing base.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@bonfirejovi and that is the problem with Obama, his idea is to tax the hell out of the rich and distribute the money to as many people as possible. He is the true believer of wealth redistribution and not wealth creation. Big, controlling, over whelming govt is what he wants. And this from a guy who never needed the use of a pickup truck to earn a dollar. Really, what business experence does this suit have?
joskemom 1 year ago
Teacher, policemen, doctors, social workers are productive.
AustrianAtheist 1 year ago
@AustrianAtheist Great, lets all be teachers and policemen and we'll all get rich.
Epic878787 1 year ago
"Let's get all bankers and we will all get rich. This is a strawman argument. I have never said, that the economy should be reduced to teachers only.
However, they do play a key role in creating wealth. The whole debate in the US/UK about the service economy is misleading, btw. Reagan/Thathcer have intentionally crushed manifactoring. Now, you want to change again? Every country needs jobs for less educated, that is important, but specializing is okay, changing fast not.
AustrianAtheist 1 year ago
@AustrianAtheist,"every country needs jobs for the less educated."
Beautifull.
Let me guess,YOU consider yourself to be one of the "more" educated class,right?
It seems Proffessor Von Strudelstein has failed you in this fine academic rearing of yours,because you appear to have things the wrong way around entirely.
The people you consider "less educated",are the ones that actually BUILD and SUSTAIN countries from the ground up,the same "lesser" people that make YOUR "education" possible.
TheOBAMATRON 1 year ago
Hahah, I don't give a shit about your ridicolous political correctness, you pussy. I am from a working class district and proud of my proletarian roots. Yes, not all people want to study until they are 25, some want to have families earlier, some hate school and then, they are less educated. Fuck all political correctness.
AustrianAtheist 1 year ago
And apart from that, it indeed is a problem of the US economy that their manufactoring is not that competitive. Free education, health care combined with taxing the rich like in Germany (and they could still tax the wealthy even much more) would make lower wages for the working class possible and increase exports and lower unemployment.
Instead of thinking about real measures to support the people/working class, you cry about political correctness. people like you ruin the labour movement
AustrianAtheist 1 year ago
AustrianAtheist,You seem confused about what "political correctness" is.
The "better educated" classes you are so anmoured with are the very folks who dreamed that little mind game up.
Political correctness is an abstraction,whereas calling some schmuck out on his nonsense is just good fun.
As for people like me ruining the "labour movement"?
I'm happy to oblige,I despise the so-called "Labour movement" of rabble rousing stemming also from "better educated" circles of self declared elites.
TheOBAMATRON 1 year ago
@AustrianAtheist You missed the point, the jobs you mention are not productive. A logger goes out, cuts trees for his employer who sells the trees to a mill. Out of the money he gets for the trees he pays the loggers salary and has money left over(profit). That is a productive job in economic terms. The same cannot be said for any of the jobs you mention. Your jobs have to be paid for by taxing the logging which may cause it to become unprofitable resulting in the loggers layoff.
Epic878787 1 year ago
@AustrianAtheist Yeah only up to a certain point. Policemen for example provide a service, but hiring more of them would not bring up the standard of living. Teachers, police etc are a luxury, something a productive society can afford to pay for, but without a productive base their would be no money to support a service sector.
19TEC85 1 year ago
Without education, there will be no productive society. And education, safety are just goods like material products. I support some Austrian economists (Schulmeister..), who point out that GDP indices are really incorrect and unclear, and start working with the happyness-index or other methods to messure quality of living
AustrianAtheist 1 year ago
@AustrianAtheist Education is important but the college degress most get are worthless. That college game is soon going to be over. We need people that can do real practical hands-on jobs. I myself am ashamed that I have no home building skills while I sit in my cubicle answering phones and supportin computer software. What a pathetic contribution to society....I wish I knew how to wire a circuit or run some pipes
lilbromarky1 1 year ago 16
@lilbromarky1 Don't be so self critical about not having more practical 'home building' skills. Most people have one skill set they specialise in. We can't all be experts in everything. A lack of other skills does not detract from the skills you do have. As a guy interested in nice cars, I used to want to learn about mechanics - now I see I'm better off focusing on my professional skills and paying my mechanic to take care of my car for me.
I dont see this as a bad thing.
SupermarketsRevil 1 year ago
@lilbromarky1 So quit your job and go learn that skill, Then you can be unemployed like the rest of the construction workers out there.
anthraxfan93 1 year ago
@lilbromarky1 Obama thinks your very capable of pouring concrete and laying asphalt. So if you loose your office job you can go right out and get an infrastructure job. HA!
mmac382 1 year ago
@AustrianAtheist I know education is important, but simply hiring teachers can't grow the economy on it's own. It's a service that is wanted and needed, yes. But the simple act of paying more gov workers high salaries does not add productivity that is needed especially in a bad economy. When production is high then we can afford to talk about investing in more services.
19TEC85 1 year ago
@19TEC85 you couldn't be more wrong. There's a demand for more teachers, so we need to hire more teachers so America's children have a better education and are not stuck in 40 kid classrooms.
And ask any teacher who's getting a paycheck if it's not adding to productivity.
It's far more of a real job than a wal mart door greeter, or a bank phone rep trying to justify that top to bottom NSF fee scam that the corrupt too big to fail banks have been doing to the American people.
Scipio2021 1 year ago
@Scipio2021 I work with teachers everyday, I know whats going on. Theirs no money left in many districts, and printing more and borrowing more won't fix the problem or the economy. It's sad but that's reality. I agree we don't need more wal mart greeters or too big too fail banks. Our economy is in trouble because it's based on nothing but a over grown service sector. Americans don't make things and we use other countries and take advantage of the the reserve currency but it will come to an end.
19TEC85 1 year ago
where does all this money come from? and if we make all this money doesn't that just inflate the currency? thats why stimilous is a bad thing
GodAthie 1 year ago
those sound effects are stupid.
thabooger 1 year ago
16.7 percent. Are you shitting me???!! Last time I checked it was like 9!
ethanhuntersmith 1 year ago
@ethanhuntersmith That percentage includes people that stopped collecting unemployment, and stopped looking for work, that's around the same percentage it's been The 9% you're talking about hasn't changed much, and didn't help that the amount of public sector jobs lost outpaced private sector, that's one of the reasons why we went from 9.5-9.6%.
Macabre215 1 year ago
@ethanhuntersmith if they count unemployment how they did in the 30s then it would be 16% and underemployment adds around 7% to that. and it isn't 9% using current measurements, it is actually 9.6%
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
oh btw did anyone see Brian Williams on the Daily Show? He was pushing a story he was airing on MSNBC.... Jon Stewart says .. "MSNBC? I thought you wanted people to see it?" BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
TreyLutrash 1 year ago
Cenk when will you and the Young Turds get it. The private sector doesn't owe you jack shit. Obama's tax rate is so high, a company can actually make more money by letting their money sit there. Why expand, hire workers, make a profit, but the profit you make is taxed so high you end up making less than you would if you never expanded in the first place? Face it, your monkey boy is blaming companies for not hiring, but punishing them if they do. I'm just sitting back enjoying watching him fail
TreyLutrash 1 year ago
@TreyLutrash HA! Taxed high my ass, your so called high taxes are nothing. Most European countries have a much higher tax level!
kerniani 1 year ago
@kerniani It doesn't matter WHAT Europe is doing. This is America and I'm telling you what companies are doing
TreyLutrash 1 year ago
@kerniani Were taxed through inflation because the US central bank has a monopoly on the worlds reserve currency !
19TEC85 1 year ago
Obama has reduced taxes, not raised them? However, high taxes are not punishing companies, who employ anyone. When you make 100.000€ profit and pay 30.000€ taxes, you still have 70.000€ after paying taxes, when you make 200.000€ profit, you still have 140.000€, which is more than 70.000€.
The slogans of you rightwing US-americans are so stupid, it is crazy. Did you support the Bush hand outs for the rich, the wars, the deregulation? Bush has fucked up the US and now you blame Obama..so funny!
AustrianAtheist 1 year ago
@TreyLutrash 'Young turds'? 'Monkey boy'? Gee, that's a reasoned argument and not a racist ad hominem at all. So you think that the working classes don't pay unfairly high taxes relative to the rich? You think the rich don't take advantage of others to become wealthy, and they can't afford to pay higher taxes? HA! You continue sitting back watching these changes and calling names without bothering to investigate the reality.
SupermarketsRevil 1 year ago
@SupermarketsRevil Let's examine your statement. First of all the term "monkey boy" isn't racist unless of course YOU consider a certain race as resembling the primate family. But that would make YOU the racist now wouldn't it .. hmmmm
Point #2: your statement was .. "You think the rich don't take advantage of others to become wealthy" ... Your words, not mine. Now why would the rich have to take advantage of anyone to BECOME wealthy? They're RICH!!! Again, your words, not mine
TreyLutrash 1 year ago
@TreyLutrash Nice attempt to deflect my criticism there, however illogical. The term 'monkey boy' is widely viewed as having racist connotations, &is usually used in reference to black people. But hey, I guess you're just an innocent, pure minded victim of miscommunication & weren't trying to be racist at all (btw, humans ARE primates FYI).
Second, your response to taxes on the wealthy was a non-response. I clearly implied that the wealthy create wealth off the back of the working class.
SupermarketsRevil 1 year ago
We love you Cenk!!
melekatik 1 year ago 28