ok so i've read a pile of comments about this video. it makes me think of riflefuk's 1911 video about the glock 17. he says it is the finest glock ever made i.e, an original design. all other glock models are a "jerry rigged version" of the G17. same thing with the ar. DI was it's original design. Mr. Stoner wasn't kicking the shit back in '59 going "you know my DI idea is cool and all, but hopefully someone someday will stick an op rod on this fucker. piston ar people r gay...
@arfreak1979 That's not right at all. Gaston Glock designed "all the other Glock models" How is it jerry rigged? I'm not sold either on the op rod AR15's.
@esh325 what i mean by that is the glock 17 was wholly designed to function using the 9x19 cartridge and the geometry Mr. Glock came up with for it. the other glocks are not "original" designs. i.e., the other calibers and the shortened versions (baby glocks). much like an officer's model 1911 (3" barrel) will NEVER perform with the same reliability as the gov't model. the commander and officer versions of the 1911 are not original designs. they are "jerry rigged" versions.
@arfreak1979 I have a baby Glock 26 and I never had trouble with it. I haven't shot the hell out of it though. Perhaps under certain instances, it is less reliable then the Glock 17, so you could be right.
@esh325 hey thanks for considering the flip side. you're right though, u could prob. put 20,000 rds. thru baby glock without failure. they all run like a sumbitch
I stopped listening at..... "It aint gonna f@#king run right... you need an AK" I assure you my friend that the M4 platform is a sufficent survival rifle. Everybody fails to understand that 80% or more of issues with the M4 DI system was bad old worn out military magazines... use Pmags= just as reliable as any piston system. Do the research people!!! dont just go by what people say!
@grapplingtech77 you should've kept listening instead of closing your mind up the way you did. (from real life experence) The AR is more reliable than the AK if maintained. I was refering to the AK fanboys "reliability queens" like cokeman2423 and TMHonfire102 that buy an AR just to retrofit a piston and roller cam pins and all that other bullshit and believe that soon we're all going to be living like mad max for decades. Personally I believe the AK to be big ole pile of shit. But whatever man.
@esh325 no its not dipshit. if u keep em clean and maintained, all things being equal, it will be more reliable. the reason is as simple as this: there are less parts to fail on you with a DI gun. i've never seen an op rod explode out of the forearm of an ar before. don't get me wrong, i own 3 three variants of each platform and love all of them but, i don't subscribe to the AK mystique either. so STFU and let riflefuk spread the gospel.
If di is more better. Why is it more cheaper than pis. Shud b vise versa right. I would love to get a pis for 650 bux and not buy a di if iy cost more than 1k
@vanderleibf3 DI has been on the AR platform since its invention. that means there are millions of DI bolt carriers, gas tubes ect on the market. the piston system on the AR has only been around for what 4 years maybe 5? each company has their own design of carriers and rods ect. that means machine work to either a DI carrier or a complete ground up redesign of the carrier. its still new so companies are still trying to recoup R&D at the same time. by the way "more better" are you serious?
@rockrboy83 Assuming similar barrel quality and overall build quality, I don't see a piston being more accurate. I'm not implying the piston rifle will be necessarily less accurate though. While I do not have a piston AR, the piston AR being more reliable is highly debatable. I haven't see any tests conducted that prove the piston AR is significantly more reliable.
never had a problem with any 5.56 at all through it however. i might attribute the cycle issues to the H buffer which i have yet to swap out so ill know for sure. the bcg gets very close to stripping the next round from the mag when it doesnt fully cycle but its always ejected the spent casing so that tells me its getting very close. if you stay away from tula or wolf in the 516 you should be fine. i havent tried any brown or silver bear yet in the 516 however, maybe those will work better.
the sig definetly stays alot cleaner for a longer period of time and i could see that being quit usefull in a wrol situation if you were limited on certain supplies. the sig is also very very smooth in operation terms. unfortunatly the sig is the only piston operated ar i can comment on as that is the only one ive ever fired. the one drawback to the sig 516 is that it will not reliably cycle crap .223 tula even on the adverse setting. ive found higher quality .223 works well.
i own both and like both for different reasons. my sig 516 which i think is a tremendous value for a great piston operated ar15 is very well built and my daniel defense m4 v1 is also a tremendous value and very well built. i do prefer shooting the daniel defense alot more however due to the difference in weight between the 2. both are extremely accurate using 75 gr match with the 1:7 twist on both the rifles. picked them both up for right around 1200 each. if you can afford both id say go forit
you said "like me or not"..I think you are awesome CW and this video is great. You CLEARLY are know Rifles, and can explain the difference between the 2 systems. You are THE ONLY ONE i've seen on youtube that really knows wtf they are talking about when it comes to this subject. I've seen many gunshop channels talk, and lie about the gas piston system. Thank you CW for CLEARLY showing what only some pleople with combat experience know, and are willing to share. This video is great...
@Moldovawineimporter You realize your talking about a rifle (ak-47) that has proved to be the most reliable and durable rifle in history. Your talking about a rifle that is the weapon of choice for thousands of different countrys around the world. This video nor your ridiculous statement proves nothing other then the fact that your both idiots.
@MrWicked98 There are only 194 countries in the world, not thousands. Maybe u should go back to school because in case u didn't know the education system goes all the way up to the 12th grade, not just the 3rd when u dropped out. BTW I agree with u on the AK, but just giving u a little constructive critism, u can take that, right?
Many other guns have just as "free floating" a barrel as an AR, heck most any true blowback design is... The AR/M4/M16 is not a main battle rifle and never will be, the caliber just isn't there... It's an Assault "rifle" or basically the new term post WW2 for a carbine... Same as a AK and many others... it's a SMG on steroids or a condensed version of a main battle rifle...
I have an ATI AT upper with a drop in Adams Arms piston kit and I have nothing but praise for it. Against my two other AR it stays cool, and clean. The adjustable gas block is also alot of fun. 3000+ rounds and still performing great. Required? No. Effective? Yes. I wish people would stop getting offended. Use whatever works for you but don't attack an upgrade just because it doesn't jive with your classic setup.
nutnfancy hails the arsenal sgl ak-47 when that piece of shit weapon uses a thin ass barrel and over heats WAY too quickly, and the polymer grip fucking melts
@sourcemaster I don't own a SGL21, but I have a Saiga 7.62x39 which has the Russian made barrel as the SGL21. The barrel is very good on it, shoots very tight groups. The SGL21 has the same barrel thickness as the majority of AK's do.
2 minutes in, you say for a survival rifle, ou would need a ak, this pretty much proves ignorance, the ak platform is robust, yes, but so is the ar, and pretty much every other semi automatic rifle platform, it all comes down to maintenance, regardless of the gun, you also say di rifles are better then piston, and then 10 seconds later go pistons are always mroe reliabel then di, atleast fucking make up your mind.
@CopperLeagueGaming ahaha ur right dude, plus at the beginning he starts off ripping on nutnfancy. (jealous obviously) and then he flips and starts riding nutnfancys dick, saying hes so smart. then he starts contradicting about muzzle whip (which he calls something random). then says its cuz of the muzzle breaks r sumthin lol he knows alot, but everything he knows is wrong.
You have offered some helpful insight and some legitimate constructive criticism of the piston AR in your video, so thanks for the information. It was the unnecessary comments directed at someone else that we could have done without. This is exactly what the anti-gun nuts love to see—one gun guy throwing petty unfounded criticisms at another gun guy (which is something nutnfancy NEVER does).
@DuckDodgers2400 I don't really see has this has anything to do with anti gun people. Are you just using that as a defense mechanism? So any time somebody says something negative about another gun person I can just say this is what the anti-gun people want?
Nutfancy has certain companies and firearms he prefers (we all do), like Kel-Tec for example. Yet even when he's testing Kel-Tec weapons like the KSG shotgun, he doesn't hesitate to make criticisms, like the defective sling and the weakness in the design of the loading ports which made it difficult for quick reloading under stress. (See how I'm providing SPECIFICS to back up what I'm saying?) As much as he likes Kel-Tec products, he will not become a blind salesman for them.
Nutnfancy posted his opinion (clearly stating it was only his opinion based on what he's learned so far), which he has every right to do as an experienced shooter. You did not present one legitimate reason for accusing him of being a salesman for the Ruger piston AR and discrediting his video. Were you even listening when he said HE PREFERS THE DI GUNS HIMSELF???
When the DI design first came out there were a lot of guys saying “That will never work” (just like you're saying about the piston ARs), yet look where we are now. This kind of rhetoric would be suspect, even coming from a highly educated engineer, which you admit you are not. Unless you have a crystal ball, there's now way you can tell the world dogmatically that a piston AR will “never work.” Have you ever even tested a piston AR yourself? Seriously.
You're obviously very knowledgeable, and entitled to post your opinion. You are not entitled, however, to accuse hardworking gun reviewers who post loads of useful information on YT, of being a mere “salesman” without showing a shred of actual evidence to back yourself up. How ironic would it be if someone started accusing you of being a salesman for DI guns like the Rock River based on your video here?
@DuckDodgers2400 I don't agree with most things the TheRiflemanChannel says, but he has the right to say anything he wants. This is his channel. Hard working? Stop treating Nutnfancy like he's Jesus Christ. He's just a gun reviewer.
An LWRC does not have a tube for the piston to move in. By the time the recoil happens, the bullet is already out of the barrel. As a matter of fact, if you get one with a free float rail system, there is nothing connecting with both the receiver and the barrel during recoil. If I can hit a target the size of a sheet of paper while standing up unsupported and an ACOG TA31rcom4 at 400 yards with my M6a1, I think that's pretty damn accurate. Can't speak for other piston guns though.
Can some one explain to me what point this guy is trying to make?! I dont even think he can tell me! LOL. Now if you really think about no one type of system is better then the other. In my opinion, it comes down to what the owner prefers. Both types will have theyre own pros n cons!
he IS a salesman and thats why im not subscribed to him anymore he pushes glock shit down peoples throats his reviews are structured but he compares glocks to almost any pistol and im not an anti-glock person i owned a tricked out G19 for awhile but i just couldnt get past how it felt in my hands it felt TO ME like a cheap pistol not to mention if you breathe one word of criticism him or his sister will attack you and downplay you as stupid or ignorant.
@somedirtyangel Some poorly designed pistons have functional issues, some are better though, like the HK416. I agree, I do see them as an improvement. The Marines recently adopted the M27 IAR (support version of the HK417) So a piston must have SOME advantage. It would have been easier to adopt a DI rifle, but they chose a piston rifle. Other armies around the world which have experince with DI M16's and M4's have HK416's in their inventories.
Im still going with the M1A,I only need one well placed shot (.308 vs .223,.308 is bigger) and I can hunt with a .308(HA going to try to get a deer with a .22)
I'll just get some 10round stripper clips,a cleaning kit that fits in my secret door,and a sling.
@dasdew2 Just get an AR10 then if want .308. The AR platform is better then the M1A in my opinion. I've shot both. There are plenty of deers that have died with .223's, but I would say the .308 is probably a much better stopper for deers. I don't like the .223.
@esh325 thanks, oh and another reason i like the M1A is because no one will ever call it a "assult weapon" because it just looks like a ordinary rifle(and shoots like a battle rifle),I just want a standerd M1A no rails,no scope,nothin that makes some one think its a tactical weapon and i shouldn't own one because it looks scary.
People ignore the fact that di is the most accurate and efficient rifle disign ever used by the US military.It is no more a perfect weapon system than the glock,1911,m1 rifle or any other rifle there is a reason why the FAL,m14,and others have come and gone yet the m16and m4 remain with the strongest military power on the planet. Much of this comes from unrealistic one shot kill expectations.
Should mention the force of the bolt in same cases as well. In an AR15 most of the weight goes directly back. Where as with a AK47 the rotating bolt causes directional stress. Although it might not be true for M14 or Piston AR15's. I would also wonder how the delayed roller locking action of the H&K type designs is compared to DI and piston.
quoting Newton and following it by the phrase "or some shit" classic. just for that i have to subscribe.
now about the video or at least the topic of the video, i've used both Di and piston and in truth the difference is ever so slight (in semi). haven't used a full auto piston AR yet...........
@sauerOFkraut I don't know, but it's probably negligible though. Most armies have dropped their roller delayed blowback guns for coventional gas operated pistons guns. The Germans dropped their G3 for a G36 which has a piston guns. And the Swiss dropped their STG57 for a piston gun, the Sig 550.
@ash2975 I never thought about that. Good call. To support your claim, the Marines adopted M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle (squad version of the HK416). I don't think they would adopted a piston rifle if it didn't have an advantage when it would have been easier to make it a DI rifle.
@joeratti It would be nice if the manufacturers would standardize piston parts, but it will never happen. LWRC actually tried to sue Sig sauer because they claimed Sig copied their gas piston design.
@esh325 your right of course. i agree that it wont ever happen. the only time where it might happen is if in a long shot the US military signs a contract with LWRC to supply upgraded M4/M16s then it could happen. probably by everyone elses piston line going out of business. hard to compete with government contracts
@joeratti Yeah, that would be the best bet for piston rifles. The closest thing that's ever happened to that is when the Marines adopted a variation of the HK416.
@ash2975 In some cases, a piston system adds less reliability. Some of the designs are not smartly engineered and have problems. If you want a piston rifle, then get a rifle that was designed as a piston from the start like an AK-74 or SLR-106. I've read they are nearly as accurate as a DI AR15.
@ash2975 I don't think most civilians ever use their guns enough to notice the difference between the reliability of a DI AR15 and a Piston AR15. A lot of people who bring the AR into harms don't have any qualms with the DI system. More accurate? I doubt it. At best it will just as accurate as a DI gun or slightly less accurate. Putting condoms is to keep obstructions out of the bore. Obstructions can damage any rifle whether its DI or piston.
AR>AK. you wouldnt buy a kid a cheaply made, loose tolerent toy. you buy them a nice tight tolerent toy that will last. but that said the Ak is a great gun just not for my situation.
@esh325 i dont mean its cheap. i mean that it has loose tolerences and tha means in accurate. and yes because its loose tolerences it will last a long time
@503Gunslinger The AK isn't inaccurate. I can easily get centermass shots at 100 yard targets with an AK from the bench or off hand. The AR will shooter tighter groups at 100 yards then an AK, but the shot dispersion of an AK isn't great enough at that distance where you wouldn't hit somebody.
The whole piston stuff with the AR is crap. I have to agree. DId you mention that piston run AR's have a shorter life span? One company has tried to extend the life of an AR by building steel uppers and lower (Les Baer) but that defeats the purpose of owning a lighter AR. DI is dirty, but AR cleaning and maitence is basic. I also agree Nutnfancy is trying to sell a product to get freebees. Stone was a genius and desisned the AR with a slide rule and testing, not a computer.
@shaunpisk Yeah, you generally will create more problems by going to a piston AR then solving them. I wasn't aware a piston gives a shorter life span to an AR.
I think the our military should use something like the Ruger mini 14. It combines the incredible accuracy and reliability of the m14 with the benefits of the smaller 556 cartridge all in a smaller more manageable package.
The ar is usually more accurate than bolt operated ,but bolt action isnt the best idea for urban warfare.A 308 semi auto ar would be most effective. In hollywood they make snipers out to be headshot only, but in the urban sand box ;talk to any sniper; its one center mass shot .Not everyone can carry m14's,its virtually impossible to stay on target .HOW in the hell would you clear a room full of dune coons with one. So that guy with the m14 better have some friends with m4's to back him up.
@ARMEDINFIDEL741 true. the UK MoD just released their own designed ar-10 platform for use in combat to make it easier for the marksman in combat because they only need one gun.
@ARMEDINFIDEL741 I can't believe an AR is going to be more accurate bolt action. I've shot both and I don't think my AR15 could out shoot a bolt action. Like I said, the M14 is used at long range.
Expending six mags on a target 400 meters away then complaining about your carbine overheating might make headlines, but is a sign of poor leadership and training.We all cant be poorly trained idiots out their spraying bullets with our piston run shit asking to be picked off by a direct impingement rifle.
People ignore the fact that di is the most accurate and efficient rifle disign ever used by the US military.It is no more a perfect weapon system than the glock,1911,m1 rifle or any other rifle there is a reason why the FAL,m14,and others have come and gone yet the m16and m4 remain with the strongest military power on the planet. Much of this comes from unrealistic one shot kill expectations.
@ARMEDINFIDEL741 The M16 and M4 are not without disadvantages like you make it out to be. Every gun has them. The military started fielding the M14 again because the M16 and M4 couldn't perform well at long range.
@esh325 If my ruger had the same contour barrel than the S&W, The DI gun would outshoot it just a tad, but its all about the quality of the weapon and size of and thickness for accuracy
Nice vid, I never even though about the piston stretching the barrel during a cycle. Also the DI AR-15 still has a piston but people like to ignore that, why else would you have to pay close attention to the gas rings. The piston is perfectly inline with the bore, not adding or subtracting from muzzle rise and putting the recoil straight into the shoulder.
I consider the AR-15 to be the best rifle from a design and accuracy standpoint, it may not be the best as a COMBAT rifle for those who want to moan about reliability. My friend that's back from Afghanistan said no matter how much you clean the rifle the nuisance dust in the air will clog them up.
Dude, fuck these corn hole fagots. Dude I dig you vids and the info you have. What is your opinion of the new Mini 14 Tactical rifles? I have one, and love it. I can live with 2 MOA just find.
People always say how unreliable the Ar15 system is, if it was so damn unreliable than why the fuck would a good chunk of western world armies use it?
@kop4321 by wetsern you mean the US. because it costs money to replace their weapons and DI wasnt even designed for iraq/afghan enviroments. their fault. the dirt in those enviroments caused gun jams, not the carbon fouling or anything else. you can shoot a few thousand rounds through a DI gun in a clean enviroment and have no failures with brass ammo. either way, piston and DI are still a shit storm to clean.
I spent 5 years in the sand box as both a US Marine and a Private Contractor. The M16 needed to be cleaned at least 3 times a day to keep it running, the AK47 and M14 only needed to be cleaned once a day and will run dry or lubed. A center mass hit out to 200 yards with a 7.62X39 or a 600 yard hit with a 7.62 nato round will put a man down for good. The 5.56 round doesn't do it, you need to score at least 3 hits.
Oh... and several manufacturers would disagree with regards to a piston rifle lacking in accuracy. LWRC's Reaper in 7.62 is a good case in point. Pricey, but more than adequate.
@ Waseem: Good point. Field experience has shown us that differences in ACTUAL accuracy b/w DI and Piston is more theory that reality. Furthermore, most people running Piston ARs are running them as special purpose weapons for CQB missions. For example a 10 - 12.5" barrel w/ suppressor doesn't make for a very good DI gun. @ Rifleman, you make some relevant points, but I'm always suspicious of someone who feels the need to tear down someone else's opinion to try to strengthen their own.
i get what you're saying but answer this. what ever little difference in accuracy there is between a piston driven or DI ar , can you notice a smidge of difference when shooting off hand ? heck even on a rest
yes a DI may be supposedly more "accurate" but the difference is too minute for an average shooter to notice. your slightly bad trigger pull will off set your shot placement more then the non free floating barrel in a piston driven.
Funny and entertaining. I think you would have been better served and more well received if you left out the salesman speculation about nutnfancy. Still offered good info.
The fuck is wrong with people complaining about how he "goes on" if your complaining then your obviously a little call of duty whore and dont know shit about weapons to care enough to listen. Give him a chance to get his point across.
@TheRiflemanChannel there are some of us 15 year olds who dont want nutsrfancy's dick. very few though because most people my age are out playing with cheap chinese made airsoft guns. and they buy the cheap chinese made "tactical equipment" that he advertises. but as soon as you say anything about nutsrfancy his fanboys are all over you like a fly on shit.
@ChadisbrokenDIB You're right, nutnfancy isn't a salesman, he is a wanna be door kicker with too much money and time on his hands and most likely a deal with Dura Coat to paint everything as awful as he does.
@ChadisbrokenDIB as a soldier having a weapon system that will keep me out of my enemies (haji's lmao) cross hairs but still keep them within mine is worth more than a 100,000 views. 300 meters plus is a nice distance to reach out an touch someone. I would like to thank the uploader for keeping servicemen in mind. I'm in the market for a civilian AR. Haven't heard this side of piston vs DI argument.
@ChadisbrokenDIB he is a spokesperson for companies that donate their products for him to test, rifleman just lays it down and cuts the bullshit.... very well spoken and much profanity is needed... what does DIB stand for? Dick Is Broken?
This video is funny because EVERY time I goto a gun store to look ar AR's, they always recommend the Ruger 556, which is a $1000 more and less accurate. I just call it as I see it, proly one best AR vids on YouTube...
@TheRiflemanChannel not everyone can run methlabs out of our homes all day and make gun videos in their spare time, and for that I envy you. You obviously have a passion for guns that could have made for a good video but im just saying this turned out to be more of the same.
But I will give you credit for being honest in the description, this certainly was inexperienced and uneducated, but I wouldn't call this anything close to a proper analysis.
I've never had problems with either my Colt HBAR or Rock River Carbine. The DI system works. If it was shit, the military would have scrapped it in the 1970's.
I'm reconsidering the .762 NATO. The cost is a bit higher. The .556 is probably the best place for me to start so I can shoot more. Great video bud...YouTube classic..
Negative, my rifle preference here is not an issue, you can say what you want about TNP but you have a thing or two to learn from him about professionalism, objectivity, and quality in a gun video IMHO. But that's just me, I clicked this expecting maybe something new on this topic and all I got was some guy on a camera ranting, those type of gun videos are a dime a dozen dude.
@homerj109 lol yeah sure, I know you mad because if you werent mad you would've just moved on without trying to somehoew hurt my feelings by leaving rude, snobbish comments.
Its so obvious you just got butthurt and didn't even watch the video seeing as you only mention where I talked about Airforce Amy the first 4 secs of the video.
Rage all you want, knock yourself out. The TRC project is a free and open forum. Not some cult for fatherless 15-16 year old virgins obsessed with weapons
@TheRiflemanChannel negative, my rifle preference here is not an issue, you can say what you want about TNP but you have a thing or two to learn from him about professionalism, objectivity, and quality in a gun video IMHO. But that's just me, I clicked this expecting maybe something new on this topic and all I got was some guy on a camera ranting, those type of gun videos are a dime a dozen dude.
@TheRiflemanChannel negative, my rifle preference here is not an issue, you can say what you want about TNP but you have a thing or two to learn from him about professionalism, objectivity, and quality in a gun video IMHO. But that's just me, I clicked this expecting maybe something new on this topic and all I got was some guy on a camera ranting, those type of gun videos are a dime a dozen dude.
The ar15 (and the ak to a lesser extent) is the gun for everything, it CAN shoot accurately at long range and is small enough to be somewhat capable of cqc, it is semi auto to allow suppressive fire. The down side is that it does none of these things well. There are platforms that cost less and do any one or 2 of these things better for less money.
ok so i've read a pile of comments about this video. it makes me think of riflefuk's 1911 video about the glock 17. he says it is the finest glock ever made i.e, an original design. all other glock models are a "jerry rigged version" of the G17. same thing with the ar. DI was it's original design. Mr. Stoner wasn't kicking the shit back in '59 going "you know my DI idea is cool and all, but hopefully someone someday will stick an op rod on this fucker. piston ar people r gay...
arfreak1979 3 days ago
@arfreak1979 That's not right at all. Gaston Glock designed "all the other Glock models" How is it jerry rigged? I'm not sold either on the op rod AR15's.
esh325 2 days ago
@esh325 what i mean by that is the glock 17 was wholly designed to function using the 9x19 cartridge and the geometry Mr. Glock came up with for it. the other glocks are not "original" designs. i.e., the other calibers and the shortened versions (baby glocks). much like an officer's model 1911 (3" barrel) will NEVER perform with the same reliability as the gov't model. the commander and officer versions of the 1911 are not original designs. they are "jerry rigged" versions.
arfreak1979 1 day ago
@arfreak1979 I have a baby Glock 26 and I never had trouble with it. I haven't shot the hell out of it though. Perhaps under certain instances, it is less reliable then the Glock 17, so you could be right.
esh325 1 day ago
@esh325 hey thanks for considering the flip side. you're right though, u could prob. put 20,000 rds. thru baby glock without failure. they all run like a sumbitch
arfreak1979 1 day ago
I really think you have really done justice to the AR yes it is more accurate it does need to be maintained and it is that simple.
dragonseptor 3 days ago
Thank You for this video,It helped me a lot.I have seen them all but you came thru clear and to the point.Hope to see more from you.
187cisoULcRUNcHER 1 week ago
I stopped listening at..... "It aint gonna f@#king run right... you need an AK" I assure you my friend that the M4 platform is a sufficent survival rifle. Everybody fails to understand that 80% or more of issues with the M4 DI system was bad old worn out military magazines... use Pmags= just as reliable as any piston system. Do the research people!!! dont just go by what people say!
grapplingtech77 2 weeks ago
@grapplingtech77 you should've kept listening instead of closing your mind up the way you did. (from real life experence) The AR is more reliable than the AK if maintained. I was refering to the AK fanboys "reliability queens" like cokeman2423 and TMHonfire102 that buy an AR just to retrofit a piston and roller cam pins and all that other bullshit and believe that soon we're all going to be living like mad max for decades. Personally I believe the AK to be big ole pile of shit. But whatever man.
TheRiflemanChannel 2 weeks ago
@TheRiflemanChannel It's a blatantly false statement to say an AR15 is more reliable then an AK.
esh325 1 week ago
@esh325 no its not dipshit. if u keep em clean and maintained, all things being equal, it will be more reliable. the reason is as simple as this: there are less parts to fail on you with a DI gun. i've never seen an op rod explode out of the forearm of an ar before. don't get me wrong, i own 3 three variants of each platform and love all of them but, i don't subscribe to the AK mystique either. so STFU and let riflefuk spread the gospel.
arfreak1979 3 days ago
@arfreak1979 When the op rod exploded out of the hand guard, it clearly must have got stuck in your brain.
esh325 3 days ago
@TheRiflemanChannel I agree that slapping a piston on an AR15 is not really a good idea though.
esh325 1 week ago
Cutting through all the fud bullshit..lol..
Rock3t138 2 weeks ago
If di is more better. Why is it more cheaper than pis. Shud b vise versa right. I would love to get a pis for 650 bux and not buy a di if iy cost more than 1k
vanderleibf3 3 weeks ago
@vanderleibf3 DI has been on the AR platform since its invention. that means there are millions of DI bolt carriers, gas tubes ect on the market. the piston system on the AR has only been around for what 4 years maybe 5? each company has their own design of carriers and rods ect. that means machine work to either a DI carrier or a complete ground up redesign of the carrier. its still new so companies are still trying to recoup R&D at the same time. by the way "more better" are you serious?
nmdiesel89 1 day ago
@rockrboy83 Assuming similar barrel quality and overall build quality, I don't see a piston being more accurate. I'm not implying the piston rifle will be necessarily less accurate though. While I do not have a piston AR, the piston AR being more reliable is highly debatable. I haven't see any tests conducted that prove the piston AR is significantly more reliable.
esh325 1 month ago
i like these type of vids because i can go into and do somthing else online and learn at the same time , thank you
vkigo3 1 month ago
great video. i got some problems with nutnfancy too
derek223556 1 month ago
thank you! and nutnfancy does suck!
StoneFACEDKilla10 1 month ago
never had a problem with any 5.56 at all through it however. i might attribute the cycle issues to the H buffer which i have yet to swap out so ill know for sure. the bcg gets very close to stripping the next round from the mag when it doesnt fully cycle but its always ejected the spent casing so that tells me its getting very close. if you stay away from tula or wolf in the 516 you should be fine. i havent tried any brown or silver bear yet in the 516 however, maybe those will work better.
rcroach23 1 month ago
the sig definetly stays alot cleaner for a longer period of time and i could see that being quit usefull in a wrol situation if you were limited on certain supplies. the sig is also very very smooth in operation terms. unfortunatly the sig is the only piston operated ar i can comment on as that is the only one ive ever fired. the one drawback to the sig 516 is that it will not reliably cycle crap .223 tula even on the adverse setting. ive found higher quality .223 works well.
rcroach23 1 month ago
i own both and like both for different reasons. my sig 516 which i think is a tremendous value for a great piston operated ar15 is very well built and my daniel defense m4 v1 is also a tremendous value and very well built. i do prefer shooting the daniel defense alot more however due to the difference in weight between the 2. both are extremely accurate using 75 gr match with the 1:7 twist on both the rifles. picked them both up for right around 1200 each. if you can afford both id say go forit
rcroach23 1 month ago
piston, way more reliable and my AR has one
flowingwolfpack 2 months ago
you said "like me or not"..I think you are awesome CW and this video is great. You CLEARLY are know Rifles, and can explain the difference between the 2 systems. You are THE ONLY ONE i've seen on youtube that really knows wtf they are talking about when it comes to this subject. I've seen many gunshop channels talk, and lie about the gas piston system. Thank you CW for CLEARLY showing what only some pleople with combat experience know, and are willing to share. This video is great...
Rock3t138 2 months ago
@Moldovawineimporter You realize your talking about a rifle (ak-47) that has proved to be the most reliable and durable rifle in history. Your talking about a rifle that is the weapon of choice for thousands of different countrys around the world. This video nor your ridiculous statement proves nothing other then the fact that your both idiots.
MrWicked98 2 months ago
@MrWicked98 There are only 194 countries in the world, not thousands. Maybe u should go back to school because in case u didn't know the education system goes all the way up to the 12th grade, not just the 3rd when u dropped out. BTW I agree with u on the AK, but just giving u a little constructive critism, u can take that, right?
NeverEnuffAmmo 1 month ago
Many other guns have just as "free floating" a barrel as an AR, heck most any true blowback design is... The AR/M4/M16 is not a main battle rifle and never will be, the caliber just isn't there... It's an Assault "rifle" or basically the new term post WW2 for a carbine... Same as a AK and many others... it's a SMG on steroids or a condensed version of a main battle rifle...
PupSterNH 3 months ago
@PupSterNH This does hold some truth. The M4 and M16 are supplemented by the M14 because they don't have the range of the old school battle rifles.
esh325 2 months ago
Favored and featured =D
Rock3t138 3 months ago
You shouldn't use "okay" as a comma. = ) Outside of that, you gave good information, thanks.
RaaronR 3 months ago
@Moldovawineimporter 0.o "has know idea" or do you mean "no idea" ha ha
Homehous 3 months ago
In my opinion, A Piston AR should be used in the same role as an AK, A battle rifle for CQB. IF you want accuracy for long range then go DI.
By the way, LWRC doesn't have a support tube like the M14 does and others. The LWRC is the AK of the AR world.
HecklerandKochdude 3 months ago
Hey dumbass, have you heard of the short stroke piston, look at the HK 416, it killed Osama bin laden, so fuck off you redneck piece of shit
crashtest2302 3 months ago
I have an ATI AT upper with a drop in Adams Arms piston kit and I have nothing but praise for it. Against my two other AR it stays cool, and clean. The adjustable gas block is also alot of fun. 3000+ rounds and still performing great. Required? No. Effective? Yes. I wish people would stop getting offended. Use whatever works for you but don't attack an upgrade just because it doesn't jive with your classic setup.
naireland 3 months ago
nutnfancy hails the arsenal sgl ak-47 when that piece of shit weapon uses a thin ass barrel and over heats WAY too quickly, and the polymer grip fucking melts
that fucker is a salesman
sourcemaster 3 months ago
@sourcemaster I don't own a SGL21, but I have a Saiga 7.62x39 which has the Russian made barrel as the SGL21. The barrel is very good on it, shoots very tight groups. The SGL21 has the same barrel thickness as the majority of AK's do.
esh325 3 months ago
COOL REVIEW .. KEEP UP THE GOOD VIDS
licha5050 3 months ago
@Moldovawineimporter YES HE DOSE KNOW HIS SHIT. YOU DONT
licha5050 3 months ago
@Moldovawineimporter lawlz fag European.
TheRiflemanChannel 4 months ago 2
@TheRiflemanChannel OK so who is the queer , you are the queer with your queer video's on your channel !
And who is the ingorant loose you are ! , I am a 51 year old American born in Portland Oregon USA now living in Romania !
Moldovawineimporter 4 months ago
Isn't the M1-A more accurate than an AR-15?
R3DF00T 4 months ago
@R3DF00T never
thats like saying a mini14 is more accurate than an ar15
a ar10 sr25 will out shoot an m14 m21
the new sr25 is DI
turboMATRIX03 4 months ago
@turboMATRIX03 The SR-25 is not new, it's old. It's been around for 20 years. The M14 may be less accurate, but it's argubally more reliable.
esh325 3 months ago
soz ... i got bored with your voice 1:30 in
liberalarestupid 4 months ago
2 minutes in, you say for a survival rifle, ou would need a ak, this pretty much proves ignorance, the ak platform is robust, yes, but so is the ar, and pretty much every other semi automatic rifle platform, it all comes down to maintenance, regardless of the gun, you also say di rifles are better then piston, and then 10 seconds later go pistons are always mroe reliabel then di, atleast fucking make up your mind.
CopperLeagueGaming 4 months ago
@CopperLeagueGaming ahaha ur right dude, plus at the beginning he starts off ripping on nutnfancy. (jealous obviously) and then he flips and starts riding nutnfancys dick, saying hes so smart. then he starts contradicting about muzzle whip (which he calls something random). then says its cuz of the muzzle breaks r sumthin lol he knows alot, but everything he knows is wrong.
boombap420 4 months ago
@daser1220 What is the most accurate self loading rifle then? Perhaps the only one I can think at the moment is the Sig 550.
esh325 4 months ago
You have offered some helpful insight and some legitimate constructive criticism of the piston AR in your video, so thanks for the information. It was the unnecessary comments directed at someone else that we could have done without. This is exactly what the anti-gun nuts love to see—one gun guy throwing petty unfounded criticisms at another gun guy (which is something nutnfancy NEVER does).
DuckDodgers2400 4 months ago in playlist Armalite-15 (AR-15) The Basics (for beginers)
@DuckDodgers2400 I don't really see has this has anything to do with anti gun people. Are you just using that as a defense mechanism? So any time somebody says something negative about another gun person I can just say this is what the anti-gun people want?
esh325 4 months ago
Nutfancy has certain companies and firearms he prefers (we all do), like Kel-Tec for example. Yet even when he's testing Kel-Tec weapons like the KSG shotgun, he doesn't hesitate to make criticisms, like the defective sling and the weakness in the design of the loading ports which made it difficult for quick reloading under stress. (See how I'm providing SPECIFICS to back up what I'm saying?) As much as he likes Kel-Tec products, he will not become a blind salesman for them.
DuckDodgers2400 4 months ago in playlist Armalite-15 (AR-15) The Basics (for beginers)
Nutnfancy posted his opinion (clearly stating it was only his opinion based on what he's learned so far), which he has every right to do as an experienced shooter. You did not present one legitimate reason for accusing him of being a salesman for the Ruger piston AR and discrediting his video. Were you even listening when he said HE PREFERS THE DI GUNS HIMSELF???
DuckDodgers2400 4 months ago in playlist Armalite-15 (AR-15) The Basics (for beginers)
When the DI design first came out there were a lot of guys saying “That will never work” (just like you're saying about the piston ARs), yet look where we are now. This kind of rhetoric would be suspect, even coming from a highly educated engineer, which you admit you are not. Unless you have a crystal ball, there's now way you can tell the world dogmatically that a piston AR will “never work.” Have you ever even tested a piston AR yourself? Seriously.
DuckDodgers2400 4 months ago in playlist Armalite-15 (AR-15) The Basics (for beginers)
You're obviously very knowledgeable, and entitled to post your opinion. You are not entitled, however, to accuse hardworking gun reviewers who post loads of useful information on YT, of being a mere “salesman” without showing a shred of actual evidence to back yourself up. How ironic would it be if someone started accusing you of being a salesman for DI guns like the Rock River based on your video here?
DuckDodgers2400 4 months ago in playlist Armalite-15 (AR-15) The Basics (for beginers)
Obvious nutnfancy is obvious. @DuckDodgers2400 AKA nutnfancy, your childish tactics expose who you are better than I ever could.
TheRiflemanChannel 4 months ago
@DuckDodgers2400 I don't agree with most things the TheRiflemanChannel says, but he has the right to say anything he wants. This is his channel. Hard working? Stop treating Nutnfancy like he's Jesus Christ. He's just a gun reviewer.
esh325 4 months ago
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badapplez1 1 month ago
An LWRC does not have a tube for the piston to move in. By the time the recoil happens, the bullet is already out of the barrel. As a matter of fact, if you get one with a free float rail system, there is nothing connecting with both the receiver and the barrel during recoil. If I can hit a target the size of a sheet of paper while standing up unsupported and an ACOG TA31rcom4 at 400 yards with my M6a1, I think that's pretty damn accurate. Can't speak for other piston guns though.
DavidChou1 4 months ago
I stick with direct gas impingement for my ARs.
Kliffton415 4 months ago
You sound like Mr Mackey from SP.. Mkay Drugs are Bad Mkaayyy. lol
USMCM107A1 4 months ago
Can some one explain to me what point this guy is trying to make?! I dont even think he can tell me! LOL. Now if you really think about no one type of system is better then the other. In my opinion, it comes down to what the owner prefers. Both types will have theyre own pros n cons!
AkaJohnnyT23 4 months ago
Yall niggas GAY!
85mackey1 5 months ago
he IS a salesman and thats why im not subscribed to him anymore he pushes glock shit down peoples throats his reviews are structured but he compares glocks to almost any pistol and im not an anti-glock person i owned a tricked out G19 for awhile but i just couldnt get past how it felt in my hands it felt TO ME like a cheap pistol not to mention if you breathe one word of criticism him or his sister will attack you and downplay you as stupid or ignorant.
soonersfan081 5 months ago
What's wrong with piston driven AR-15's? It's an improvement on the AR design, and that being said, the M4 as well.
somedirtyangel 5 months ago
@somedirtyangel Some poorly designed pistons have functional issues, some are better though, like the HK416. I agree, I do see them as an improvement. The Marines recently adopted the M27 IAR (support version of the HK417) So a piston must have SOME advantage. It would have been easier to adopt a DI rifle, but they chose a piston rifle. Other armies around the world which have experince with DI M16's and M4's have HK416's in their inventories.
esh325 5 months ago
@esh325 Also Delta Force uses it, don't forget they helped H&K design the weapon.
somedirtyangel 5 months ago
Im still going with the M1A,I only need one well placed shot (.308 vs .223,.308 is bigger) and I can hunt with a .308(HA going to try to get a deer with a .22)
I'll just get some 10round stripper clips,a cleaning kit that fits in my secret door,and a sling.
dasdew2 5 months ago
@dasdew2 Just get an AR10 then if want .308. The AR platform is better then the M1A in my opinion. I've shot both. There are plenty of deers that have died with .223's, but I would say the .308 is probably a much better stopper for deers. I don't like the .223.
esh325 5 months ago
@esh325 I cant afford a M1A yet so a AR-10 is way over priced( yet worth the money ) for me,by the way whats a AR-5?Only heard of it never seen it.
dasdew2 5 months ago
@dasdew2 It's a survival single shot rifle in .22 hornet that was made for the air force. Some company makes a reproduction of it today.
esh325 5 months ago
@esh325 thanks, oh and another reason i like the M1A is because no one will ever call it a "assult weapon" because it just looks like a ordinary rifle(and shoots like a battle rifle),I just want a standerd M1A no rails,no scope,nothin that makes some one think its a tactical weapon and i shouldn't own one because it looks scary.
take care.
dasdew2 5 months ago
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People ignore the fact that di is the most accurate and efficient rifle disign ever used by the US military.It is no more a perfect weapon system than the glock,1911,m1 rifle or any other rifle there is a reason why the FAL,m14,and others have come and gone yet the m16and m4 remain with the strongest military power on the planet. Much of this comes from unrealistic one shot kill expectations.
ARMEDINFIDEL741 1 month ago
ARMEDINFIDEL741 5 months ago in playlist More videos from TheRiflemanChannel
Should mention the force of the bolt in same cases as well. In an AR15 most of the weight goes directly back. Where as with a AK47 the rotating bolt causes directional stress. Although it might not be true for M14 or Piston AR15's. I would also wonder how the delayed roller locking action of the H&K type designs is compared to DI and piston.
Wolfren1000 5 months ago
quoting Newton and following it by the phrase "or some shit" classic. just for that i have to subscribe.
now about the video or at least the topic of the video, i've used both Di and piston and in truth the difference is ever so slight (in semi). haven't used a full auto piston AR yet...........
jonyan07 5 months ago
@jonyan07 Never used a piston AR, but the army has ordered 12,000 piston kits for their M4's.
esh325 5 months ago
how does the roller-delayed blowback operating system(HK-91, HK G3, PTR-91) compare to the DI system in terms of accuracy?
sauerOFkraut 5 months ago
@sauerOFkraut I don't know, but it's probably negligible though. Most armies have dropped their roller delayed blowback guns for coventional gas operated pistons guns. The Germans dropped their G3 for a G36 which has a piston guns. And the Swiss dropped their STG57 for a piston gun, the Sig 550.
esh325 5 months ago
Building an AR from kits from the ground up - pros/ cons or general opinions would be appreciated!
FishinBoat119 5 months ago
good info,thanks.
dasdew2 5 months ago
@ash2975 I never thought about that. Good call. To support your claim, the Marines adopted M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle (squad version of the HK416). I don't think they would adopted a piston rifle if it didn't have an advantage when it would have been easier to make it a DI rifle.
esh325 6 months ago
LWRC should be the standard for AR piston systems. that would shut all the piston haters up
joeratti 6 months ago
@joeratti It would be nice if the manufacturers would standardize piston parts, but it will never happen. LWRC actually tried to sue Sig sauer because they claimed Sig copied their gas piston design.
esh325 6 months ago
@esh325 your right of course. i agree that it wont ever happen. the only time where it might happen is if in a long shot the US military signs a contract with LWRC to supply upgraded M4/M16s then it could happen. probably by everyone elses piston line going out of business. hard to compete with government contracts
joeratti 6 months ago
@joeratti Yeah, that would be the best bet for piston rifles. The closest thing that's ever happened to that is when the Marines adopted a variation of the HK416.
esh325 6 months ago
@ash2975 In some cases, a piston system adds less reliability. Some of the designs are not smartly engineered and have problems. If you want a piston rifle, then get a rifle that was designed as a piston from the start like an AK-74 or SLR-106. I've read they are nearly as accurate as a DI AR15.
esh325 6 months ago
@ash2975 I don't think most civilians ever use their guns enough to notice the difference between the reliability of a DI AR15 and a Piston AR15. A lot of people who bring the AR into harms don't have any qualms with the DI system. More accurate? I doubt it. At best it will just as accurate as a DI gun or slightly less accurate. Putting condoms is to keep obstructions out of the bore. Obstructions can damage any rifle whether its DI or piston.
esh325 6 months ago
AR>AK. you wouldnt buy a kid a cheaply made, loose tolerent toy. you buy them a nice tight tolerent toy that will last. but that said the Ak is a great gun just not for my situation.
503Gunslinger 6 months ago
@503Gunslinger The AK isn't cheaply made at all, and is built to last.
esh325 6 months ago
@esh325 i dont mean its cheap. i mean that it has loose tolerences and tha means in accurate. and yes because its loose tolerences it will last a long time
503Gunslinger 6 months ago
@503Gunslinger The AK isn't inaccurate. I can easily get centermass shots at 100 yard targets with an AK from the bench or off hand. The AR will shooter tighter groups at 100 yards then an AK, but the shot dispersion of an AK isn't great enough at that distance where you wouldn't hit somebody.
esh325 6 months ago
@esh325 the AK wasnt made cheaply? thats one of its claims to fame. its one of the most cheaply built rifles there are.
joeratti 6 months ago
@joeratti Cheap to produce is different then cheap quality. That tool was implying that the AK is a cheap quality weapon which is not true at all.
esh325 6 months ago
The whole piston stuff with the AR is crap. I have to agree. DId you mention that piston run AR's have a shorter life span? One company has tried to extend the life of an AR by building steel uppers and lower (Les Baer) but that defeats the purpose of owning a lighter AR. DI is dirty, but AR cleaning and maitence is basic. I also agree Nutnfancy is trying to sell a product to get freebees. Stone was a genius and desisned the AR with a slide rule and testing, not a computer.
shaunpisk 6 months ago
@shaunpisk Yeah, you generally will create more problems by going to a piston AR then solving them. I wasn't aware a piston gives a shorter life span to an AR.
esh325 6 months ago
PWS
identityisrelative 6 months ago
I think the our military should use something like the Ruger mini 14. It combines the incredible accuracy and reliability of the m14 with the benefits of the smaller 556 cartridge all in a smaller more manageable package.
SilvianoJ 6 months ago
@SilvianoJ .I think there are a lot better things then a Ruger mini 14. Had functioning problems with mine, but got it fixed.
esh325 6 months ago
The ar is usually more accurate than bolt operated ,but bolt action isnt the best idea for urban warfare.A 308 semi auto ar would be most effective. In hollywood they make snipers out to be headshot only, but in the urban sand box ;talk to any sniper; its one center mass shot .Not everyone can carry m14's,its virtually impossible to stay on target .HOW in the hell would you clear a room full of dune coons with one. So that guy with the m14 better have some friends with m4's to back him up.
ARMEDINFIDEL741 7 months ago
@ARMEDINFIDEL741 true. the UK MoD just released their own designed ar-10 platform for use in combat to make it easier for the marksman in combat because they only need one gun.
jimmyhoffa9 7 months ago
@ARMEDINFIDEL741 I can't believe an AR is going to be more accurate bolt action. I've shot both and I don't think my AR15 could out shoot a bolt action. Like I said, the M14 is used at long range.
esh325 7 months ago
Expending six mags on a target 400 meters away then complaining about your carbine overheating might make headlines, but is a sign of poor leadership and training.We all cant be poorly trained idiots out their spraying bullets with our piston run shit asking to be picked off by a direct impingement rifle.
ARMEDINFIDEL741 7 months ago
People ignore the fact that di is the most accurate and efficient rifle disign ever used by the US military.It is no more a perfect weapon system than the glock,1911,m1 rifle or any other rifle there is a reason why the FAL,m14,and others have come and gone yet the m16and m4 remain with the strongest military power on the planet. Much of this comes from unrealistic one shot kill expectations.
ARMEDINFIDEL741 7 months ago
@ARMEDINFIDEL741 The M16 and M4 are not without disadvantages like you make it out to be. Every gun has them. The military started fielding the M14 again because the M16 and M4 couldn't perform well at long range.
esh325 7 months ago
@ARMEDINFIDEL741 Even more accurate then a bolt action?
esh325 7 months ago
Thanks for the video, I'm looking at getting my first AR and this really helped.
treizTUBE 7 months ago
My ruger sr556 outshoots my S&W mp15 due to the barrel thickness.... not gas system
1980sSportsMan 7 months ago
@1980sSportsMan The things he talks about a piston being less accurate then a DI gun is more theoretical then fact.
esh325 7 months ago
@esh325 If my ruger had the same contour barrel than the S&W, The DI gun would outshoot it just a tad, but its all about the quality of the weapon and size of and thickness for accuracy
1980sSportsMan 7 months ago
"nutnfancy ain't stupid"
stopped watching there
TheSupahero 7 months ago
Nice vid, I never even though about the piston stretching the barrel during a cycle. Also the DI AR-15 still has a piston but people like to ignore that, why else would you have to pay close attention to the gas rings. The piston is perfectly inline with the bore, not adding or subtracting from muzzle rise and putting the recoil straight into the shoulder.
tansit2344 7 months ago
I consider the AR-15 to be the best rifle from a design and accuracy standpoint, it may not be the best as a COMBAT rifle for those who want to moan about reliability. My friend that's back from Afghanistan said no matter how much you clean the rifle the nuisance dust in the air will clog them up.
tansit2344 7 months ago
Dude, fuck these corn hole fagots. Dude I dig you vids and the info you have. What is your opinion of the new Mini 14 Tactical rifles? I have one, and love it. I can live with 2 MOA just find.
MrAppleseed88 8 months ago
The most accurate self loading rifles are made by HK with delayed roller actions.
thomassophiea 8 months ago
Great info!!Always good to get a different point of veiw!!
hapki 8 months ago
People always say how unreliable the Ar15 system is, if it was so damn unreliable than why the fuck would a good chunk of western world armies use it?
kop4321 8 months ago
@kop4321 by wetsern you mean the US. because it costs money to replace their weapons and DI wasnt even designed for iraq/afghan enviroments. their fault. the dirt in those enviroments caused gun jams, not the carbon fouling or anything else. you can shoot a few thousand rounds through a DI gun in a clean enviroment and have no failures with brass ammo. either way, piston and DI are still a shit storm to clean.
jimmyhoffa9 7 months ago
I spent 5 years in the sand box as both a US Marine and a Private Contractor. The M16 needed to be cleaned at least 3 times a day to keep it running, the AK47 and M14 only needed to be cleaned once a day and will run dry or lubed. A center mass hit out to 200 yards with a 7.62X39 or a 600 yard hit with a 7.62 nato round will put a man down for good. The 5.56 round doesn't do it, you need to score at least 3 hits.
nightrider00758 8 months ago 3
Oh... and several manufacturers would disagree with regards to a piston rifle lacking in accuracy. LWRC's Reaper in 7.62 is a good case in point. Pricey, but more than adequate.
aphillips3325 8 months ago
@ Waseem: Good point. Field experience has shown us that differences in ACTUAL accuracy b/w DI and Piston is more theory that reality. Furthermore, most people running Piston ARs are running them as special purpose weapons for CQB missions. For example a 10 - 12.5" barrel w/ suppressor doesn't make for a very good DI gun. @ Rifleman, you make some relevant points, but I'm always suspicious of someone who feels the need to tear down someone else's opinion to try to strengthen their own.
aphillips3325 8 months ago
i get what you're saying but answer this. what ever little difference in accuracy there is between a piston driven or DI ar , can you notice a smidge of difference when shooting off hand ? heck even on a rest
yes a DI may be supposedly more "accurate" but the difference is too minute for an average shooter to notice. your slightly bad trigger pull will off set your shot placement more then the non free floating barrel in a piston driven.
waseem1173 8 months ago
good vid, although i watch nutnfancy he is a sellout. keep up the entertaining videos man.
1badwhiteman 9 months ago
every action has an equal and opposite reaction ... or some shit lol
bigTexan19 9 months ago
Funny and entertaining. I think you would have been better served and more well received if you left out the salesman speculation about nutnfancy. Still offered good info.
joedaddy1227 9 months ago
all AR's=FAILL!!!!!!! to much BS(barral length+bullit weight+twist rait) ALL JEST BS!!
and it shoots that that littil grain of rice thing we call a bullit....lmfao!
jest another one of americas many fails....................
mini30mach 9 months ago
Great vid. I like Nutnfancy, but sometimes he seems "myopic", to put it in his words. You seem pretty straight forward, and I like that.
Hammeroftruth 9 months ago
inexperience and uneducated is spot on
bravowhiskey223 9 months ago
Do you think that the Ruger 2 piston system reduces the stress on the barrel of the rifle?
MitchyBOYYi 9 months ago
Mr. Macky mmmmkkkk!
Ivanrico238 9 months ago
@Ivanrico238 hahahaha thats all i was thinking the whole time
CornMakesWhiskey 9 months ago
I definitely give you two thumbs up on your knowledge and presentation. You made some really good points through out this video.
LUVMAGNUMGUNS2 9 months ago
Tell it Rifleman!
zap427 10 months ago
The fuck is wrong with people complaining about how he "goes on" if your complaining then your obviously a little call of duty whore and dont know shit about weapons to care enough to listen. Give him a chance to get his point across.
StunnedMutha 10 months ago
Try not to be so angry when presenting to get your point across. You lose credibility.
martiniw2olives 10 months ago
this vidio is hilarious and he makes valid points, nutnfancy bashing aside (go nutnfancy! woo hoo!), he just does it in an unprofessional manner.
snogs11 10 months ago
he's not a salesman. he likes products and shares opinions. get 100,000 views then talk.
ChadisbrokenDIB 10 months ago
@ChadisbrokenDIB Aww wow go suck his ass some more y dont cha. You must be another one of his 15 year old boy worshipers. Its really sick.
TheRiflemanChannel 10 months ago 19
@TheRiflemanChannel there are some of us 15 year olds who dont want nutsrfancy's dick. very few though because most people my age are out playing with cheap chinese made airsoft guns. and they buy the cheap chinese made "tactical equipment" that he advertises. but as soon as you say anything about nutsrfancy his fanboys are all over you like a fly on shit.
joshkkv 6 months ago
@ChadisbrokenDIB You're right, nutnfancy isn't a salesman, he is a wanna be door kicker with too much money and time on his hands and most likely a deal with Dura Coat to paint everything as awful as he does.
PettyOfficerPain107 10 months ago
@ChadisbrokenDIB dude, he plays an angle, if you think otherwise, you ain't got brains to think with.
Alexn1067 10 months ago
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chrislhemiram 8 months ago
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chrislhemiram 8 months ago
@ChadisbrokenDIB as a soldier having a weapon system that will keep me out of my enemies (haji's lmao) cross hairs but still keep them within mine is worth more than a 100,000 views. 300 meters plus is a nice distance to reach out an touch someone. I would like to thank the uploader for keeping servicemen in mind. I'm in the market for a civilian AR. Haven't heard this side of piston vs DI argument.
chrislhemiram 8 months ago
@ChadisbrokenDIB he is a spokesperson for companies that donate their products for him to test, rifleman just lays it down and cuts the bullshit.... very well spoken and much profanity is needed... what does DIB stand for? Dick Is Broken?
GeLsEnKiRcHeN95 4 months ago
dude this video has sound issues man.
SOA209 10 months ago
haha i like you sir u tell it right !
thedude44963 10 months ago
During this vid I just kept staring at the ar-15/M16 what ever it is because I think it looks so awesome with the RAS
DeathWeasels 10 months ago
This video is funny because EVERY time I goto a gun store to look ar AR's, they always recommend the Ruger 556, which is a $1000 more and less accurate. I just call it as I see it, proly one best AR vids on YouTube...
Rock3t138 10 months ago
@TheRiflemanChannel not everyone can run methlabs out of our homes all day and make gun videos in their spare time, and for that I envy you. You obviously have a passion for guns that could have made for a good video but im just saying this turned out to be more of the same.
But I will give you credit for being honest in the description, this certainly was inexperienced and uneducated, but I wouldn't call this anything close to a proper analysis.
homerj109 10 months ago
@homerj109 WoW I must have really struck a cord for you to type up this long ass paragragh. lol yep he mad XD
TheRiflemanChannel 10 months ago 7
@TheRiflemanChannel You call 3 sentences "typing up a long paragraph"? There's an issue with your attention span, your reading skills, or both.
DuckDodgers2400 4 months ago in playlist Armalite-15 (AR-15) The Basics (for beginers)
I've never had problems with either my Colt HBAR or Rock River Carbine. The DI system works. If it was shit, the military would have scrapped it in the 1970's.
the308capital 10 months ago
I'm reconsidering the .762 NATO. The cost is a bit higher. The .556 is probably the best place for me to start so I can shoot more. Great video bud...YouTube classic..
Rock3t138 10 months ago
This was just too painful to finish listening to...
homerj109 10 months ago
@homerj109 The butthurtness must have been severe then huh ? Let me guess, AK fanboy ??
TheRiflemanChannel 10 months ago
Negative, my rifle preference here is not an issue, you can say what you want about TNP but you have a thing or two to learn from him about professionalism, objectivity, and quality in a gun video IMHO. But that's just me, I clicked this expecting maybe something new on this topic and all I got was some guy on a camera ranting, those type of gun videos are a dime a dozen dude.
homerj109 10 months ago
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homerj109 10 months ago
@homerj109 lol yeah sure, I know you mad because if you werent mad you would've just moved on without trying to somehoew hurt my feelings by leaving rude, snobbish comments.
Its so obvious you just got butthurt and didn't even watch the video seeing as you only mention where I talked about Airforce Amy the first 4 secs of the video.
Rage all you want, knock yourself out. The TRC project is a free and open forum. Not some cult for fatherless 15-16 year old virgins obsessed with weapons
TheRiflemanChannel 10 months ago
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@TheRiflemanChannel negative, my rifle preference here is not an issue, you can say what you want about TNP but you have a thing or two to learn from him about professionalism, objectivity, and quality in a gun video IMHO. But that's just me, I clicked this expecting maybe something new on this topic and all I got was some guy on a camera ranting, those type of gun videos are a dime a dozen dude.
homerj109 10 months ago
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@TheRiflemanChannel negative, my rifle preference here is not an issue, you can say what you want about TNP but you have a thing or two to learn from him about professionalism, objectivity, and quality in a gun video IMHO. But that's just me, I clicked this expecting maybe something new on this topic and all I got was some guy on a camera ranting, those type of gun videos are a dime a dozen dude.
homerj109 10 months ago
To compound on what i said before. If you want a gun that will do everything really well you better be ready to carry several guns.
preluderacer88 11 months ago
One word: Garand.
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The ar15 (and the ak to a lesser extent) is the gun for everything, it CAN shoot accurately at long range and is small enough to be somewhat capable of cqc, it is semi auto to allow suppressive fire. The down side is that it does none of these things well. There are platforms that cost less and do any one or 2 of these things better for less money.
ps the best 'survival rifle' shoots .22LR
preluderacer88 11 months ago
Excellent info..... thanks
mutexnet 11 months ago
I trained on the M16 A1 in Parris Island (1983) and had no problems with it.
It never jammed, nor do I have problems with my AR15 that I've owned for 20 years.
My experience tells me that those who talk the most crap about them have the least experience w/them.
dgl1962 11 months ago
thanks for the clearing that up dude thanks a ton!
MasterMoose00 11 months ago
How as he buttering everyone up? If you actually watched his video he says that he still prefers the DI run ar over the piston!! Your a Genius
ridah925 11 months ago
@ridah925 (facepalm) really ?? the only thing you got from this video was the fist 5 secs where I mentioned nutters ?? captin save a hoe much ??
TheRiflemanChannel 11 months ago