люди не делятся на хищников и травоядных. они либо падальщики, либо здоровые организмы, существующие в гармонии с природой. падальщики сами не ловят добычу, они поедают уже готовые трупы.
а Феникс красавчик...) вот это я понимаю, веган с детства)
look at dog food has Peta ever thought about whats in cats and dog food are they gonna make a dog or a cat on a vegetation diet too? there food are made made of the same meats that we eat so if they wanna stop killing animals there also taking away the dogs diet too and in the bible animals were put here for us if you look in the wild many of the animals are getting killed by other animals and yes i feel bad for most farm animals get tortured and people need to do less torture to animals
@TheFug666 you cant only get protein from meat..you can get it from beans or Lentis or tofu but im not saying eating meat is bad, i eat meat on rare occasions, you don't have to eat meat every day, for example i would have eaten that turkey. ..just be grateful for the animal that died..animals have a nerve system so they suffer as much as we humans do.
@TheFug666 Actually, it's possible to get all necessary vitamins and minerals from a plant-based diet. You just have to be smart about your diet. Also, every highly intelligent animal does NOT eat meat at some time or another... The common domestic pig is one of the smartest animals in the animal kingdom and it does not consume meat. Eating meat does not "make" somebody smarter... There are no "intelligence" minerals in meat...
Some of you are completely heartless! Murdering of innocent animals entertains you. You guys need to see Earthlings. If you have, watch it again. Any person with a heart wouldn't dare say such hurtful things. Get a life. I don't eat meat for the sake of those poor creatures. Don't like vegans and/or vegetarians? Too bad.
My company donated Turkeys to all of its employees! There are 4,000 employees! We also donated several thousand to the homeless! YA FOR GOOD EATING TURKEYS!!!
You base to much on emotion than fact. Eating meat is apart of human history and alway will be. Thousands of Pigs, chickens and cows are harvested far more than Turkeys. Every, I mean EVERY restaurant severs animal products of some kind. Animal products are used for many thinks. In fact you probably have things or medications that contain animal products. There are cow parts in car tires. So regardless you help in the harvesting of animals too.
No, it's a fact. Rape, infanticide and murder are also a part of human history but I don't see you advocating for those. It doesn't matter which animal is killed the most, the treatment of turkeys to get them nice and fat for slaughter is disgusting. I see you're one of the knob heads who try to distance themself from the word "kill" so you use "harvest" instead to make it sound nice. I don't take medication, I'm healthy and tires can be made without "cow parts".
@LegendxWind Rape, infanticide and murder are against the law and are punished. Utilizing Turkeys as food is not and are put to good use and not waisted, big difference. Yes, animals are killed for human consumption. No different than using "harvested". I grew up on a farm and raised. We treated them very well. If we didn't they would not be healthy. We took great care of them before they were sent to slaughter. I have killed animals for food in a very human way. I eat lots of veggies too!
Doesn't matter, they have still been around for as long as meat eating has. You seem like a smart person who has had experience with raising animals before so I need to ask you, do you have ANY idea what 99% of livestock animals live like in North America? They live in industrialized facilities with thousands packed together and fed meat of other animals, feed that causes digestive distress, hormones and antibiotics. Turkeys get it even worse around Thanksgiving.
@LegendxWind Now it doesn't matter? Your statement of causing digestive distress is inaccurate. By law all feed lots rations are tested on a daily basis to verify the feed is consistent and sample are sent out weekly to labs for testing to ensure they measure up to the strict standards. I have been to feed lots and they are not what you say. Have you been to one? There are strict laws to ensure the safety of animals and humans.
No it is not. Corn is a staple food in the cows diet, and it causes such severe distress to their digestive system because they are grass eating ruminants, that they suffer anal and vaginal prolapses. You have no idea what goes into livestcok feed, or you would know that euthanized cats and dogs from animal shelters, other animals like chickens and pigs and waste goes into the rendering process to be converted to feed. They don't get sent to labs for testing, what a load of shit
@LegendxWind Its very obvious you have no facts to back up your arguments. Like I asked have you ever been to a feed lot? Have you ever seen what really goes on there? I have. If what you said is true I would also be angry and I am against animal abuse. I also believe animals are used for consumption in a humane way. Common sense should always over rule emotion. How do you know samples don't get sent to the labs?
Lion eats impala, wolf eats a sheep, cow eats grass, bird eats seeds, and its noted that domestic pigs can eat humans too... So aren't we all supposed to be sort of connected in the foodchain? Aren't we animals too? Isn't the point in just keeping the balance between flora and fauna? If you eat it - you breed it/grow it/sew it/water it/feed it? Being human and given the opportunity to think logically... we are going to extreme...
Trivia: The 'Juicy plum, Sir?' guy is Anthony Langdon of Spacehog, brother of Royston Langdon, who is the ex-husband of Liv Tyler, who used to date Joaquin Phoenix. More Trivia: He has also been in an instructional video for how to cook chicken cutlets.
He's getting paid to look like he is, who knows if he is or not. It's the same thing with sports drinks, louis vuitton, and active wear...they're paid to promote it, but who knows what they ACTUALLY wear.
@tasteylillemondrop I don't think Peta has the kind of money to hire actors like say "Beef, it's what's for dinner" commercials. If Joaquin's getting paid it's not much, he's doing it because he cares. Though I hope I'm wrong and PETA has tons of money, They Rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You got really unhappy when I point out UFC fighters and hockey players that are vegan. Your original point was vegans are weak pussies. It seems you are the weakest link though. Facts won't deter you from living in a wonderland that is why you glaze over abuse and reduce the issue to a eating meat vs not eating meat. You have no facts , you have no education on the topic.
When you need met than hunt your own animal like the forefathers in the old times but the people dont do this they kill millions of animals only for tests.
PETA and Joaquin are nothing more than hypocritical propaganda-pushing psychopaths who think nothing of using lies and extremism to push their idiotic world views on innocent people.
@bububububak Sure kid, and you heard that on which reliable news channel?. Oh okay, so you heard it on youtube, perhaps you saw a video with 2 idiot magicians that couldn't make it in Vegas, so they came up with a controversial youtube video that aired nowhere. PETA does not shoot dogs, that is why charges have never been brought up, nor have they been indicted, or prosecuted. Grow up kid, and stop repeating what you hear and do some research first.
@truth2748 use google... and don't call me kid, have some decency, please... just calling me names doesn't change facts... of course they won't publish it on their official website! XD
@bububububak I assumed you were a kid based on your comments. Again, people that shoot dogs(with obvious evidence as you point out) are usually prosecuted by law. So again, get your information from a reliable source or quit.
That "controversial youtube video that aired nowhere" was on primetime cable, dumbass, and P&T have done quite well in Vegas. Additionally, PETA WERE brought up on charges for murdering pets given to them, but were cleared of most charges because the animals were legally recognized as their property. in other words, the same laws you AR freakos cry about saved PETA's extremist asses from their own hypocrisy.
Try doing your fucking homework sometime, you pissant little sheep.
@redrosary "Prime time cable", LOL. "Cleared of most charges", citation needed. They were never charged to begin with, Peta were never brought up on charges. Based on your steamed comments, I really think that prozac refill is overdue. Ah the cultist, sigh.
Animal meats are a the worlds biggest sources of protein and zinc, but that's not the main reason eating animals is important.
Eating animals is important because if we didn't, they'd all be going extinct by now. The only animals that aren't naturally dying out due to human dominance of the world are insects and the animals humans EAT. Because if we didn't eat them they would naturally die out anyway, due to human development, which isn't something there's much chance of stopping.
Do you know, that plants are good sources of protein too?
The animals you eat were fed with plant-protein (beans, pulses, grain).
I think it would be better for the hens, turkeys, pigs sheep and cows if they weren't ever born. They live a life full of suffering and die a cruel death.
We call us civilized, but we treat the animals as if they wouldn't feel any pain. That's disgusting.
where's the "enriched soul" and positve outlook vegans are supposed to have? Have you ever seen PETA picket? They're like crazy on heroine. And don't even get me started on their leader! she hates humanity more than anything.
animals are supposed to eat other animals. without eating animals our species wouldn't be around, we're carnivores, so trying to force ethics on people is dumb when its really nature.
@Supaduck0 "animals are supposed to eat other animals" As humans, we have something that non-human animals lack, that is a sense of awareness, so we can choose not to eat animals. In the physiological sense, we are not carnivores, carnivores eat only meat, human physiology is that of a frugivorous ape. "without eating animals our species wouldn't be around". The Jain have lived and thrived without eating animals since the 9th century BC(recorded).
While I agree with mos of what you said, about being mostly frugivores, and about how we with a higher conscious should know better, I have to point out something. While the Jain may have been able to live without eating animals, that is not true for most of the world, particularly most of Europe. One extreme case is that of the Irish, whose only food sources were one edible genus of potato, cow meat and milk. When that one genus of potato became diseased, the Potato Famine ensued.
@DarkAngel0125 I was refuting some one's erroneous assertion that we're carnivores, and explaining that we have the physiology of a frugivorous ape, not mostly, we ARE frugivorous apes, this I know first hand. I also explained that the Jain have survived on an animal free diet for centuries. Commenting on the Irish diet was completely futile to this argument, since it doesn't refute the aforementioned but only takes the subject at hand in a totally different and irrelevant direction.
Woah, what? No, no, no! Our nutritional needs can be and would be mostly met by fruits, but we are OMNIVORES. We have the capability, whether it is right for us to do so, to eat the meat, milk, eggs, and virtually any other animal byproduct. We also can eat any non-poisonous vegetable in almost any form, cooked or raw, and including the stems, roots, and leaves.
@DarkAngel0125 I will not argue nor discuss human physiology with you. I guess you'll just have to wait until they update you high school and college text books. In the mean time, go ahead and continue to believe what ever they feed you. 27 years in this field and several publications allow me to make this statement.
The case of the Irish is NOT irrelevant. You used the logical fallicy that the sample represents the whole of humanity, to back up your vegan view of the world. I was proving that "logic" ridiculous by saying that not all human beings would have been able to survive without animal-based food. The Irish were clearly dependant on an omnivorous lifestyle, unlike the vegan Jain.
We are not apes, we are homo sapians. How do you "know that we are frugivores first hand", exactly?
@DarkAngel0125 I think you meant to say we're homo sapiens. I forget that I'm not talking to a colleague primatologist. "How do you "know that we are frugivores first hand", exactly?". 14 years as a vivisectionist, 20 years plus of first hand science, much of it yet to be published. Again, I never used the Jain to explain the whole of humanity, I was simply telling him that were and are people that have survived on an animal free diet, hence your comment was indeed futile.
We're not carnivores, we're omnivores. Yes, it is in our nature to an extent. Anything edible we would eat if it were our last resort. If we were starving and had no other choice, we would form a culture on animal husbandry. Later, we would figure out new technology and agriculture, but we continue animal husbandry even if though it's not neccessary because human beings simply cling to their culture......
.......We are mainly fruit, nut, and bean eaters (those are the foods that best compliment our digestive system in general). It is not wrong, per se, to eat meat. It is wrong, however, to cause animal suffering, to show no care for an environment that everyone must share in order to survive, and to continue animal husbandry in agriculture when half the world is starving and 70% of grains produced go to feeding animals to be made into food.......
.....Those grains could easily feed all of the hungry in the world, so why haven't we done it yet? Well, because some people can't stand the idea of legislating morality (when all that any law really is about is morality, such as laws against murder and rape), and because steak just tastes so good that other people don't matter.
To all you Vegans: I get my protein from animals. Protein is good for heart muscles. If you eat lean protein (such as chicken breast, lean cuts of beef, and turkey) you won't get heart disease. Have you ever seen a vegan when they hit age 50? They look like fucking skeletons. No thanks, I'd rather eat meat and exercise like a normal healthy person. Also, Soy bean and Tofu has been linked to Alzheimer's disease. Have fun forgetting your grandkids names.
@natija08 Humans have been eating meat for thousands of years. I don't think it's healthy if one stupid generation decides to stop eating meat entirely (aka the Vegans). That's not natural, your ancestors ate meat, their ancestors ate meat and now you think its really natural if you decide to not eat meat? You're just fucking up your body. Jack-tard.
For more than 20 (twenty!) years I didn't eat any peace of meat. Since December 2008 I'm a vegan and it was the best decision I made in my life. I feel really good and the last blood and body check at the doctors said: Everything (!) is absolutely o.k.
@natija08 from wikipedia "...vegan diets can be deficient in nutrients such as vitamin B12,[103] iron,[104][105] vitamin D,[106] calcium,[106][107] iodine[108] and omega-3 fatty acids.[109] These deficiencies have potentially serious consequences, including anemia,[110] rickets[111] and cretinism[112] in children, and osteomalacia[111] and hypothyroidism[112] in adults."
To all of you people arguing....just go watch the documentary "Earthlings" and it'll shut you up pretty fuckin quick. If you can still eat meat after watching it, you are a cold heartless fucked up individual. ;)
@natija08 but it also provides you this nutrients such as protein. If you eat too much heart disease can be a problem. But the human body is designed to be an omnivore. That and meat tastes really good.
Many plants have a lot of protein. Where do you think plant-eating animals have their protein from?
These plants are beans (soy beans for example), pulses, lentils, nuts and seeds. I can eat as much plants as I want without becoming fat and ill. But it's not healthy to eat much sugar or vegetable fat.
We can digest meat. But look around: Many people who are omnivores are fat and ill.
With a good balanced vegan diet and a lot of row food you live an excellent and healthy life.
@natija08 maybe a healthy life, but not excellent, because you sacrifice your entire sense of taste. The best tasting foods are almost all meat, crab legs, steak, bacon, rabbit, squirrel, fish it all taste amazing.
@natija08 - The reason most people are fat is because they eat shit that they shouldn't be eating... Chicken isn't naturally deep fried in a shit load of grease, now is it?
@natija08 Breeding is perfectly natural. It's simply mating the organisms who possess the traits that the breeder desires.
If a cow possesses the ability to produce more than 30L of milk a day, and is bred with a bull, creating offspring that can produce more than 30L of milk a day, it's pretty damned natural to me.
And vegetables and fruits aren't sprayed down with insecticides and grown in chemically enhanced fertilizer? They're not loads larger than they were a hundred years ago?
But ... the results are not natural. Let me explain:
In nature a cow feeds her calf with the milk, she produces. To produce MORE milk than the calf needs is not economical for her. She has a disadvantage compared to normal cows.
More important is, that the races used today suffer a lot. After 5 years they are exhausted and ill. Now they are slaughtered.
@natija08 Organic is an invalid argument. There's organic fruits and vegetables as well as organic meats. You pretty much said fruits and vegetables are unnatural (Which was your argument against meat).
So basically your argument is that you're against the way animals are treated. Which has NOTHING to do with our health (which, if I remember correctly, was your original argument?)
I am not a vegetarian myself but I know that I should take the step. If not else but for ethical reasons. And as such I cant very well understand the anti-vegan prejudgement that if flooding our society since the 90s.
Please tell me, why do people die from heart disease? I know that stress plays an important role, but the main reason is - as far as I know - arteriosclerosis.
We weren't meant to eat meat. We have no fangs.
My main reason not to eat meat is, that all animals suffer a lot, when raised on farms and slaughtered.
@gregff9966 Its not only the fact that animals are enslaved and slaughtered meat is very bad for the human body. It disrupts our natural ph balance and creates a highly acidic state in our body which leads to many problems all of the above and mainly fat retention to neutralise the acid..
Eating meat has not been around since the begining of time. We once started eating meat when it was hard to grow veg, so it served as a way for man to survive. Now we do not need that.
There is nothing we eat meat for apart from its taste. 85% of protein is destroyed upon cooking and everything else we get from plant based whole foods.
Just wanted to share what I have learnt, hope it doesnt offend you my friend ; )
@wingchunming You are a fucking idiot. Yea, I bet the indians and cave men only ate veggies. Hate to break it to ya, but they were mostly meat eaters, so yes, eating meat has been around since the begining of time. Hate to break it to ya, idiot.
@wingchunming Oh, another thing that proves you dont know what your talking about. You said in the begining it was hard to grow veggies, so eating meat was a way to survive. Then you say meat is only good for its taste, all the protein is destroyed in the cooking. So basically your saying meat serves no purpous for survival? Make up your fucking mind, find out what the fuck you are talking about, then comment back. Your just making yourself look like a fucking idiot.
@gregff9966 Ok first off whats with all this swearing? are we not just trying to have a discussion here? if your gonna just go off on one and act like that then whats the point in posting on here?
If you read my points you would have got that I said at one point it was hard to grow veg. What I ment from "the taste is that we dont eat meat to gain anything other than protein which 80% of is gone from heating, fact.
@wingchunming Never heard that before. Yall dumb ass vegans come up with the dumbest things. Thats all you can do, just because you dont like the fact that people kill animals for food, you come up with all these lies saying meat is poison, meat is bad and will kill us, ect. Maybe we would belive your idiotic comments if people actually died frome eating meat. Untill then, shut the fuck up.
@gregff9966 Well just because you have never heard it before I guess that makes it a lie? or made up? haha... Your right i dont like that fact. But I didnt come up with the scientific research that state all these facts. Your just so blind to see that meat is killing us... biggest cause of heart disease and diabetes, gout etc
If you want proof just ask your doctor what are the main causes of these. You prob wont though haha
Ps chillout nothing to lose by talking about things
@wingchunming I never have the chance to see the doctor to ask that. But someone in my famly did. The doctor told him not to eat as much red meat, because of the higher fat content. But did say to eat more fish, chicken, turkey, pork, ect.
@gregff9966 Ah i see. I think that is a eat these meats if your gonna kinda thing right? It makes sense to eat leaner meat if you need to for health reasons.
It feels nice talking to you now dude. I never ment to offend anyone with my comments ; )
Look at our teeth: no teeth to tear meat into pieces. Our teeth are very good to chew all kinds of plants like leaves, fruit, seeds or nuts.
Plants are full of vitamins and minerals and they contain a lot of roughage (I found that in my dictionary - is it the right word?).
To understand the ethical argument, you should perhaps inform yourself about all the cruelty animals have to endure. On my channel you can find videos about that subject. Please open your mind.
@natija08 What about our teeth? I just ate a steak today and I had no problem at all tearing it into pieces.
This is why I say you dont make a bit of sence. Like I said, you people say we are not made to eat meat just becase you dont like the fact that we kill animals.
I have an open mind, its just not open to bullshit.
Did you ever see the teeth of a meat eating animal? It has special teeth to cut off peaces of meat from their victims. You can look into the mouth of your cat or dog. There you will find those teeth. Or just google it.
If you would try to eat a peace of meat from a whole dead cow, you would fail with your teeth.
If you refuse to look at the cruel treatment of animals you will not understand what vegans talk about.
@natija08 Yea, they have those teeth. Because they were designed to eat 100% meat. People are omnivors, meaning we were ment to eat meat and plants. LOL, bet you never thought of that.
Why dont you just admit that you dint know what your talking about? Obviously you dont. Your just making up lies because you dont like animals being killed for food.
Don't you understand? If you were designed to eat meat, you would have those teeth too. Humans are not born with a knife and a fork in their hands.
I know what I am talking about ... I don't tell lies. It's not a lie that we have no teeth to tear meat into peaces.
I don't eat meat for more than 20 years now. Why do you think I'm still alive? If I were to follow your theory that humans are omnivores, I would have died long ago.
@natija08 I dont think you understand. Trying to talk sence into you is like talking to a pile of shit. I dont know what is dumber.
We dont have the meat eating teeth because we are not 100% meat eaters.
We are NOT designed to eat only plants or else we would be 100% plant eaters.
Hard telling why you are still alive, bet you are very thin and weak. So you say if you ate meat, you would have been dead a long time ago? LOL!!!!! Your a fucking idiot.
You try to insult me. You don't respect other humans.
Back to the teeth: You know that bears are omnivores, don't you? They eat plants and meat. Look at the teeth a bear has: You find those teeth which are able to tear meat of a dead animal into pieces.
But we have no such teeth.
How can you say that I'm thin and weak? You don't know me.
And I said: YOU THINK that humans must eat meat. I didn't eat meat for more than 20 years. If you were right, I would have died long ago.
@natija08 How do you think your going to get respect from acting like an idiot? You try to spread lies and all this shit just because you dont like the fact that animals die for us to eat.
Anyone with some inteligence would know that if we were not designed to eat meat, we simply would not eat it.
Its the same thing with trying to feed a horse a steak, it wont even touch it. Why? Because they were ment to eat plants. Try that with a lion, give it a carrot. See what im saying?
@natija08 Sorry, but you do tell lies. If we dont have the teeth to tear meat into pieces, then how do we eat it? Like I said, it we were not ment to eat meat, we simply would not eat it. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
As for all the other vegans saying they live longer and have more energy, well thats a lie too. Just speeking for myself, I work sun up to sun down 7 days a week in logging. The hardest job known to man. I dont have a problem with loss of energy.
Look, the meat on your plate once was a piece of a cow (or another animal). This cow was slaughtered, her thick (!) skin was teared down with a machine (!) and she was cut into halves with a chainsaw (!). The halves were cut into pieces with a sharp knife (!). You than buy the meat at your discounter. You fry your meat in a pan and eat it with fork and knife.
A lion has no bolt gun, chainsaw or knife to get his meal. He has to use his claws and teeth. We can't do that.
@natija08 Like I said. If we were not ment to eat meat, we never would have. How do you think people in the begining of time got the idea to kill something and eat it?
Because it is perfectly natural. Thats why you dont see a horse chasing down, killing and eating another animal. Thats why you dont see lion out grazing.
@natija08 yeah. that happens in america and in other western developed countries. In other parts of the world farmers do it more humbly. we don't have fancy machines or big corporation owned farms.They tend to their own animals, fish their food for the day and plant their own wheat. Muslims even pray before killing their meat, thaking god for the blessing upon them.
@natija08 my point is that not all killing is as brutal as PETA makes people believe. I don't know about your culture, but in ours meat (esp. seafood) will always be a part of our diet--if not just for me but for all the people in my homeland. I hope PETA would respect that. I think human beings deserve more respect than animals.
It doesn't matter what you think. What's right and wrong doesn't change just because you think different (or with the crowd). Right and wrong can't change, only your mind can. You should change yours.
@DarkAngel0125 you are very ethnocentric. why don't you visit a fishing village in japan, or visit a cow farm in the philippines, and tell the people there that they and their ancestors are "wrong".
I'm really for animal rights. But to put them above any human being is just sick
@natija08 animals have feelings and souls too? don't humans have feelings and souls too? Do you think what PETA did to those fishermen in Japan (wherein they protested their way of living and source of income) can be called respect?
@arthurs12inchcook are you joking? The firshermen are in the process of unnecessary killing, so you want people to sit on their hands and have a civilized discussion about killing dolphins that at one moment is swimming with its family then the next moment the family is slaughtered and the dolphin is enslaved and sold to a marine park for life. Are you for real? Do you understand those guys get up to 100grand for a live catch? Shut them down! Don't feel sad for the a-holes.
@sohcsarewicked So you saying that the fishermen from Wakayama get 100grand per catch? have you ever been there? perhaps you're talking about the fishermen from big companies. Local fishermen don't get 100grand! if they did they wouldn't go fishing anymore!
@arthurs12inchcook You better do some research, if you think only a couple of village fishermen are out there you are uninformed and if you don't know how much they get paid PER dead dolphin and for a LIVE catch then you are very uninformed. Its up to $100 000 per live catch. Watch this video on youtube called "A dolphin in the truck (live load)". that dolphin is either 1 already paid for 2 up for sale to higest bidder. If you think these are some poor village people you are wrong.
@sohcsarewicked 100,000? Don't use the word "research" next to a youtube video. Have you ever been to Wakayama? people there don't get 100,000 per live catch! because if they do they wouldn't stay in Wakayama. That's another crazy misconception of another westerner thinking that everyone else in the world doesn't matter. "spare the cute little dolphins and fuck those humans who don't speak english" --just crazy.
@sohcsarewicked There are non-locals participating. but that doesn't erase the fact that they have been doing so for hundreds of years. it's their culture. PETA doesn't get that. The west doesn't get that. All you care about is your feelings on these cute animals. Dont preach about research while defending PETA. Because they are the worst conspirators. I personally have discovered the errors in the information they send out so many times. It's not research when you got it from a youtube video.
Now I'm even more attracted to him.
YourLittleAmpersand 6 days ago
люди не делятся на хищников и травоядных. они либо падальщики, либо здоровые организмы, существующие в гармонии с природой. падальщики сами не ловят добычу, они поедают уже готовые трупы.
а Феникс красавчик...) вот это я понимаю, веган с детства)
igogoshens 1 week ago
@tinker12ist the phoeix familes dogs eat vegan dog food.. true!
BedazzleGlitterGal 3 weeks ago
@tinjer12ist The Phoenix family dogs ate vegetarian dog food.... very true.
BedazzleGlitterGal 3 weeks ago
How did they convince Joaquin to be in such shit? I feel so bad for him.
Frisby2007 3 weeks ago
look at dog food has Peta ever thought about whats in cats and dog food are they gonna make a dog or a cat on a vegetation diet too? there food are made made of the same meats that we eat so if they wanna stop killing animals there also taking away the dogs diet too and in the bible animals were put here for us if you look in the wild many of the animals are getting killed by other animals and yes i feel bad for most farm animals get tortured and people need to do less torture to animals
tinker12ist 1 month ago
@TheFug666 you cant only get protein from meat..you can get it from beans or Lentis or tofu but im not saying eating meat is bad, i eat meat on rare occasions, you don't have to eat meat every day, for example i would have eaten that turkey. ..just be grateful for the animal that died..animals have a nerve system so they suffer as much as we humans do.
Afootchip 1 month ago
@TheFug666 Actually, it's possible to get all necessary vitamins and minerals from a plant-based diet. You just have to be smart about your diet. Also, every highly intelligent animal does NOT eat meat at some time or another... The common domestic pig is one of the smartest animals in the animal kingdom and it does not consume meat. Eating meat does not "make" somebody smarter... There are no "intelligence" minerals in meat...
sparklygoldfish 1 month ago
@sparklygoldfish Great point. Veganism/Vegeterianism rules. Check out this video! Are meat eaters brainwashed? /watch?v=wCK2nJSalqU
haridham 1 month ago
Some of you are completely heartless! Murdering of innocent animals entertains you. You guys need to see Earthlings. If you have, watch it again. Any person with a heart wouldn't dare say such hurtful things. Get a life. I don't eat meat for the sake of those poor creatures. Don't like vegans and/or vegetarians? Too bad.
Aangbabe 1 month ago
@Aangbabe I agree. Be kind. Be vegan/Vegetarian. Check out this video! Are meat eaters brainwashed? /watch?v=wCK2nJSalqU
haridham 1 month ago
He doesn't eat turkey? Fine. More for me.
TheRealThreeP 1 month ago
and christmas is murder on pigs and pine trees
sickasso72 1 month ago
My company donated Turkeys to all of its employees! There are 4,000 employees! We also donated several thousand to the homeless! YA FOR GOOD EATING TURKEYS!!!
7378AA 2 months ago
@7378AA
You caused the suffering of thousands of animals so that people could eat them on one occasion for the sake of tradition? Shame on you.
LegendxWind 2 months ago
@LegendxWind
You base to much on emotion than fact. Eating meat is apart of human history and alway will be. Thousands of Pigs, chickens and cows are harvested far more than Turkeys. Every, I mean EVERY restaurant severs animal products of some kind. Animal products are used for many thinks. In fact you probably have things or medications that contain animal products. There are cow parts in car tires. So regardless you help in the harvesting of animals too.
7378AA 2 months ago
@7378AA
No, it's a fact. Rape, infanticide and murder are also a part of human history but I don't see you advocating for those. It doesn't matter which animal is killed the most, the treatment of turkeys to get them nice and fat for slaughter is disgusting. I see you're one of the knob heads who try to distance themself from the word "kill" so you use "harvest" instead to make it sound nice. I don't take medication, I'm healthy and tires can be made without "cow parts".
LegendxWind 2 months ago
@LegendxWind Rape, infanticide and murder are against the law and are punished. Utilizing Turkeys as food is not and are put to good use and not waisted, big difference. Yes, animals are killed for human consumption. No different than using "harvested". I grew up on a farm and raised. We treated them very well. If we didn't they would not be healthy. We took great care of them before they were sent to slaughter. I have killed animals for food in a very human way. I eat lots of veggies too!
7378AA 2 months ago
@7378AA
Doesn't matter, they have still been around for as long as meat eating has. You seem like a smart person who has had experience with raising animals before so I need to ask you, do you have ANY idea what 99% of livestock animals live like in North America? They live in industrialized facilities with thousands packed together and fed meat of other animals, feed that causes digestive distress, hormones and antibiotics. Turkeys get it even worse around Thanksgiving.
LegendxWind 2 months ago
@LegendxWind Now it doesn't matter? Your statement of causing digestive distress is inaccurate. By law all feed lots rations are tested on a daily basis to verify the feed is consistent and sample are sent out weekly to labs for testing to ensure they measure up to the strict standards. I have been to feed lots and they are not what you say. Have you been to one? There are strict laws to ensure the safety of animals and humans.
7378AA 2 months ago
@7378AA
No it is not. Corn is a staple food in the cows diet, and it causes such severe distress to their digestive system because they are grass eating ruminants, that they suffer anal and vaginal prolapses. You have no idea what goes into livestcok feed, or you would know that euthanized cats and dogs from animal shelters, other animals like chickens and pigs and waste goes into the rendering process to be converted to feed. They don't get sent to labs for testing, what a load of shit
LegendxWind 2 months ago
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@LegendxWind Its very obvious you have no facts to back up your arguments. Like I asked have you ever been to a feed lot? Have you ever seen what really goes on there? I have. If what you said is true I would also be angry and I am against animal abuse. I also believe animals are used for consumption in a humane way. Common sense should always over rule emotion. How do you know samples don't get sent to the labs?
7378AA 2 months ago
fuck PETA, wait, ...support "People Eating Tasty Animals"
MrFisheyProductions 2 months ago
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@MrFisheyProductions
How original you fucking retard
LegendxWind 2 months ago
@MrFisheyProductions Awesome!! Im a member of PETA! People Eating Tasty Animals! With gravy too!
7378AA 2 months ago
Turkes are so delicious! I buy one for me and I donate six to church for poor families!
JustWaIkAway 2 months ago
@JustWaIkAway Good for you.
hugodominguez9 2 months ago
I didnt know that Joacim is a gay :O
sienestys94 2 months ago
I am buying a butterball turkey!!! I dont care about animal cruelty I love meat.
lovebigboobs29 2 months ago
@lovebigboobs29 Selfish bastard
hugodominguez9 2 months ago 2
@hugodominguez9 Damn right! Its my money I will purchase as I choose.
lovebigboobs29 2 months ago
Joaquin Phoenix also does drugs. A lot of drugs.
sirmcclain 2 months ago 2
he looks so hot here
britishtwiggy 3 months ago
Lion eats impala, wolf eats a sheep, cow eats grass, bird eats seeds, and its noted that domestic pigs can eat humans too... So aren't we all supposed to be sort of connected in the foodchain? Aren't we animals too? Isn't the point in just keeping the balance between flora and fauna? If you eat it - you breed it/grow it/sew it/water it/feed it? Being human and given the opportunity to think logically... we are going to extreme...
EverHeardOfSlade 3 months ago
@EverHeardOfSlade - but are you prepared to kill the animal with your own hands
15deidreanne 2 months ago
@15deidreanne Yeah, if on survival mode.
EverHeardOfSlade 2 months ago
This makes him even hotter <3
blondeybaby23 3 months ago 3
@blondeybaby23 Vegetarianism rules. /watch?v=WWMnscY04AY&feature=channel_video_title
haridham 3 months ago
Damn them turkeys look good. I hope they died a slow death, the meat is always taste better that way
Bradtayloranator 4 months ago
@Bradtayloranator go die. please. just fuck you.
blondeybaby23 3 months ago 2
Joaquin is merciful.
gringolazlo 4 months ago
EPIC MEAL TIME lol
urb3stm8 4 months ago
Ugh. This is exactly why I gave up being a vegetarian - being lumped in with all you pretentious pricks.
MrVinushka 4 months ago
hmmm is it bad if im cooking a turkey right now
bradledots 5 months ago
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I was born a meat eater and I will die a meat eater. Steak, Lamb, Chicken, Turkey, Duck, you just can’t beat it!
boi187 5 months ago
Thank You Joaquin, I'm Vegan and I'm cruelty Free!!!
Ronaldo1207 6 months ago
GREAT * GREAT * GREAT * AWESOME * AMAZING * POWERFUL * RIGHT ON * PERFECT VIDEO. POST MORE LIKE THIS PLEASE.
Veggie Girl
blueskypoems 6 months ago
He's too sexy.
VenusAsABoyFilms 7 months ago 2
Trivia: The 'Juicy plum, Sir?' guy is Anthony Langdon of Spacehog, brother of Royston Langdon, who is the ex-husband of Liv Tyler, who used to date Joaquin Phoenix. More Trivia: He has also been in an instructional video for how to cook chicken cutlets.
ArwenPendragon 7 months ago 7
he's vegan
GoGopinkGoGo 8 months ago 2
@GoGopinkGoGo
He's getting paid to look like he is, who knows if he is or not. It's the same thing with sports drinks, louis vuitton, and active wear...they're paid to promote it, but who knows what they ACTUALLY wear.
tasteylillemondrop 7 months ago
@tasteylillemondrop I don't think Peta has the kind of money to hire actors like say "Beef, it's what's for dinner" commercials. If Joaquin's getting paid it's not much, he's doing it because he cares. Though I hope I'm wrong and PETA has tons of money, They Rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Myflesh101 4 months ago
From the book: The ANSWER
It’s also occurred to Ztingar that cows, sheep and horses only
eat grass to survive and are among the most peaceful animals on
Earth. “How come they’ve always been treated so badly, he asks
himself, “cuz we humans not only eat ‘em, but drag ‘em into wars
‘n’ even make ‘em work ‘til they drop sometimes. Maybe instead o’
killin’ other creatures to survive, part of our journey on Earth is to
evolve ‘n’ find more peaceful ways to get our food?”
LIFESKEY 8 months ago
From the book: The ANSWER
It’s also occurred to Ztingar that cows, sheep and horses only
eat grass to survive and are among the most peaceful animals on
Earth. “How come they’ve always been treated so badly, he asks
himself, “cuz we humans not only eat ‘em, but drag ‘em into wars
‘n’ even make ‘em work ‘til they drop sometimes. Maybe instead o’
killin’ other creatures to survive, part of our journey on Earth is to
evolve ‘n’ find more peaceful ways to get our food?”
LIFESKEY 8 months ago
this made me laugh kind of
luckymi4U 11 months ago
i'd like to eat juancain's penis for tahnksgiving, if you catch my drift.
valdezmiguel2 11 months ago 21
@valdezmiguel2 But then he'd have no penis! everyone loses 8P be a Vegan, save the penis 8D
An123Observer 5 months ago
@valdezmiguel2 That was brilliant. Not even joking.
ClayMastah344 4 weeks ago
Tofurkey is awesome. Better than Turkey. I highly recommend it. Leave the birds alone.
Mrsilenciobackgammon 11 months ago 3
How bout no but seriously meat is murder
Ps
I'm tired of snooty vegans!
ReesePiecesPooPoo 11 months ago
how sexy... vegans are sexy
Bimboesque 11 months ago 2
That video is footage from 2009 by the way.
sohcsarewicked 1 year ago
You got really unhappy when I point out UFC fighters and hockey players that are vegan. Your original point was vegans are weak pussies. It seems you are the weakest link though. Facts won't deter you from living in a wonderland that is why you glaze over abuse and reduce the issue to a eating meat vs not eating meat. You have no facts , you have no education on the topic.
sohcsarewicked 1 year ago
Nature is the provider, Animals are consumers of nature.
Humans are consumers of nature as-well. but we should shouldn't consume animal kind.
Ktwonnn 1 year ago
he dont eat turkey...he eats cock
SuperOldfart1 1 year ago
But joaquin,... it's the ciiiiircle of liife!
SgtPepper303 1 year ago
I love animals and vegetarians :)
AshtonsMama872010 1 year ago
When you need met than hunt your own animal like the forefathers in the old times but the people dont do this they kill millions of animals only for tests.
EmbassyTalib 1 year ago
PETA and Joaquin are nothing more than hypocritical propaganda-pushing psychopaths who think nothing of using lies and extremism to push their idiotic world views on innocent people.
redrosary 1 year ago
@redrosary "innocent people", my you're dense.
truth2748 1 year ago
@redrosary true dat
SuperOldfart1 1 year ago
peta suck, they shoot dogs.... great example by joaquin though... it's just that peta is a bunch of hypocrites...
bububububak 1 year ago
@bububububak Sure kid, and you heard that on which reliable news channel?. Oh okay, so you heard it on youtube, perhaps you saw a video with 2 idiot magicians that couldn't make it in Vegas, so they came up with a controversial youtube video that aired nowhere. PETA does not shoot dogs, that is why charges have never been brought up, nor have they been indicted, or prosecuted. Grow up kid, and stop repeating what you hear and do some research first.
truth2748 1 year ago
@truth2748 use google... and don't call me kid, have some decency, please... just calling me names doesn't change facts... of course they won't publish it on their official website! XD
bububububak 1 year ago
@bububububak I assumed you were a kid based on your comments. Again, people that shoot dogs(with obvious evidence as you point out) are usually prosecuted by law. So again, get your information from a reliable source or quit.
truth2748 1 year ago
@truth2748
That "controversial youtube video that aired nowhere" was on primetime cable, dumbass, and P&T have done quite well in Vegas. Additionally, PETA WERE brought up on charges for murdering pets given to them, but were cleared of most charges because the animals were legally recognized as their property. in other words, the same laws you AR freakos cry about saved PETA's extremist asses from their own hypocrisy.
Try doing your fucking homework sometime, you pissant little sheep.
redrosary 1 year ago
@redrosary "Prime time cable", LOL. "Cleared of most charges", citation needed. They were never charged to begin with, Peta were never brought up on charges. Based on your steamed comments, I really think that prozac refill is overdue. Ah the cultist, sigh.
truth2748 1 year ago
Animal meats are a the worlds biggest sources of protein and zinc, but that's not the main reason eating animals is important.
Eating animals is important because if we didn't, they'd all be going extinct by now. The only animals that aren't naturally dying out due to human dominance of the world are insects and the animals humans EAT. Because if we didn't eat them they would naturally die out anyway, due to human development, which isn't something there's much chance of stopping.
Supaduck0 1 year ago
@Supaduck0
Do you know, that plants are good sources of protein too?
The animals you eat were fed with plant-protein (beans, pulses, grain).
I think it would be better for the hens, turkeys, pigs sheep and cows if they weren't ever born. They live a life full of suffering and die a cruel death.
We call us civilized, but we treat the animals as if they wouldn't feel any pain. That's disgusting.
natija08 1 year ago
Love Joaquin! I'm glad that he can use his celebrity to spread the word about veganism.
SarahAnne8484 1 year ago
where's the "enriched soul" and positve outlook vegans are supposed to have? Have you ever seen PETA picket? They're like crazy on heroine. And don't even get me started on their leader! she hates humanity more than anything.
arthurs12inchcook 1 year ago
animals are supposed to eat other animals. without eating animals our species wouldn't be around, we're carnivores, so trying to force ethics on people is dumb when its really nature.
Supaduck0 1 year ago
@Supaduck0 "animals are supposed to eat other animals" As humans, we have something that non-human animals lack, that is a sense of awareness, so we can choose not to eat animals. In the physiological sense, we are not carnivores, carnivores eat only meat, human physiology is that of a frugivorous ape. "without eating animals our species wouldn't be around". The Jain have lived and thrived without eating animals since the 9th century BC(recorded).
truth2748 1 year ago 2
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DarkAngel0125 1 year ago
@truth2748
While I agree with mos of what you said, about being mostly frugivores, and about how we with a higher conscious should know better, I have to point out something. While the Jain may have been able to live without eating animals, that is not true for most of the world, particularly most of Europe. One extreme case is that of the Irish, whose only food sources were one edible genus of potato, cow meat and milk. When that one genus of potato became diseased, the Potato Famine ensued.
DarkAngel0125 1 year ago
@DarkAngel0125 I was refuting some one's erroneous assertion that we're carnivores, and explaining that we have the physiology of a frugivorous ape, not mostly, we ARE frugivorous apes, this I know first hand. I also explained that the Jain have survived on an animal free diet for centuries. Commenting on the Irish diet was completely futile to this argument, since it doesn't refute the aforementioned but only takes the subject at hand in a totally different and irrelevant direction.
truth2748 1 year ago
@truth2748
Woah, what? No, no, no! Our nutritional needs can be and would be mostly met by fruits, but we are OMNIVORES. We have the capability, whether it is right for us to do so, to eat the meat, milk, eggs, and virtually any other animal byproduct. We also can eat any non-poisonous vegetable in almost any form, cooked or raw, and including the stems, roots, and leaves.
DarkAngel0125 1 year ago
@DarkAngel0125 I will not argue nor discuss human physiology with you. I guess you'll just have to wait until they update you high school and college text books. In the mean time, go ahead and continue to believe what ever they feed you. 27 years in this field and several publications allow me to make this statement.
truth2748 1 year ago
@truth2748
The case of the Irish is NOT irrelevant. You used the logical fallicy that the sample represents the whole of humanity, to back up your vegan view of the world. I was proving that "logic" ridiculous by saying that not all human beings would have been able to survive without animal-based food. The Irish were clearly dependant on an omnivorous lifestyle, unlike the vegan Jain.
We are not apes, we are homo sapians. How do you "know that we are frugivores first hand", exactly?
DarkAngel0125 1 year ago
@DarkAngel0125 I think you meant to say we're homo sapiens. I forget that I'm not talking to a colleague primatologist. "How do you "know that we are frugivores first hand", exactly?". 14 years as a vivisectionist, 20 years plus of first hand science, much of it yet to be published. Again, I never used the Jain to explain the whole of humanity, I was simply telling him that were and are people that have survived on an animal free diet, hence your comment was indeed futile.
truth2748 1 year ago
@Supaduck0
We're not carnivores, we're omnivores. Yes, it is in our nature to an extent. Anything edible we would eat if it were our last resort. If we were starving and had no other choice, we would form a culture on animal husbandry. Later, we would figure out new technology and agriculture, but we continue animal husbandry even if though it's not neccessary because human beings simply cling to their culture......
DarkAngel0125 1 year ago 2
@Supaduck0
.......We are mainly fruit, nut, and bean eaters (those are the foods that best compliment our digestive system in general). It is not wrong, per se, to eat meat. It is wrong, however, to cause animal suffering, to show no care for an environment that everyone must share in order to survive, and to continue animal husbandry in agriculture when half the world is starving and 70% of grains produced go to feeding animals to be made into food.......
DarkAngel0125 1 year ago 2
@Supaduck0
.....Those grains could easily feed all of the hungry in the world, so why haven't we done it yet? Well, because some people can't stand the idea of legislating morality (when all that any law really is about is morality, such as laws against murder and rape), and because steak just tastes so good that other people don't matter.
DarkAngel0125 1 year ago 8
hush. he's hot
01NotoriousChick 1 year ago
Nothing is healthy about eating factory farmed animals. They are full of antibiotics, gmo's, arsenic (in chicken), and who knows what else.
vintagevariety135 1 year ago 2
He doesn't eat turkey cause hes a goddamn pussy!
Dmac11a666 1 year ago
@Dmac11a666
He's brave, because he's able to stand for his convictions - against people like you.
Really cool men care for animals.
natija08 1 year ago 2
@natija08 So you claim.....
Dmac11a666 1 year ago
To all you Vegans: I get my protein from animals. Protein is good for heart muscles. If you eat lean protein (such as chicken breast, lean cuts of beef, and turkey) you won't get heart disease. Have you ever seen a vegan when they hit age 50? They look like fucking skeletons. No thanks, I'd rather eat meat and exercise like a normal healthy person. Also, Soy bean and Tofu has been linked to Alzheimer's disease. Have fun forgetting your grandkids names.
tacticaltrigger 1 year ago
@tacticaltrigger
Your comment is full of lies about vegans.
natija08 1 year ago
@natija08 Humans have been eating meat for thousands of years. I don't think it's healthy if one stupid generation decides to stop eating meat entirely (aka the Vegans). That's not natural, your ancestors ate meat, their ancestors ate meat and now you think its really natural if you decide to not eat meat? You're just fucking up your body. Jack-tard.
tacticaltrigger 1 year ago
@tacticaltrigger
For more than 20 (twenty!) years I didn't eat any peace of meat. Since December 2008 I'm a vegan and it was the best decision I made in my life. I feel really good and the last blood and body check at the doctors said: Everything (!) is absolutely o.k.
natija08 1 year ago
@natija08 from wikipedia "...vegan diets can be deficient in nutrients such as vitamin B12,[103] iron,[104][105] vitamin D,[106] calcium,[106][107] iodine[108] and omega-3 fatty acids.[109] These deficiencies have potentially serious consequences, including anemia,[110] rickets[111] and cretinism[112] in children, and osteomalacia[111] and hypothyroidism[112] in adults."
tacticaltrigger 1 year ago
To all of you people arguing....just go watch the documentary "Earthlings" and it'll shut you up pretty fuckin quick. If you can still eat meat after watching it, you are a cold heartless fucked up individual. ;)
UsedCrx 1 year ago 4
I don't understand why so many nonvegetarians look up vegan/vegetarian vidoes just to get into arguments with vegans and vegetarians.
lwaddell86 1 year ago 4
@lwaddell86 I could as you the same thing. Why do vegans and animal activist look up hunting videos to start shit?
gregff9966 1 year ago
pats on the back to Joaquin for being one of the few celebrities who puts vegan out there as a possibility.
this guy is awesome on a number of levels but this pretty much makes him kick ass.
TheKellydupree 1 year ago 4
but meat is good for you...
LeafItToM3 1 year ago
@LeafItToM3
It's not. It causes heart disease.
natija08 1 year ago
@natija08 but it also provides you this nutrients such as protein. If you eat too much heart disease can be a problem. But the human body is designed to be an omnivore. That and meat tastes really good.
LeafItToM3 1 year ago
@LeafItToM3
Many plants have a lot of protein. Where do you think plant-eating animals have their protein from?
These plants are beans (soy beans for example), pulses, lentils, nuts and seeds. I can eat as much plants as I want without becoming fat and ill. But it's not healthy to eat much sugar or vegetable fat.
We can digest meat. But look around: Many people who are omnivores are fat and ill.
With a good balanced vegan diet and a lot of row food you live an excellent and healthy life.
natija08 1 year ago
@natija08 maybe a healthy life, but not excellent, because you sacrifice your entire sense of taste. The best tasting foods are almost all meat, crab legs, steak, bacon, rabbit, squirrel, fish it all taste amazing.
LeafItToM3 1 year ago
@LeafItToM3
Oh, I think, you don't know how delicious vegan food can be. You will find a lot of recipes in the net.
natija08 1 year ago
@LeafItToM3
You can google "vegan recipes" and will find a lot of recipes for tasty vegan food.
Just try one or two.
If you are afraid that your recipe doesn't work: I read that New York has a good vegan restaurants. Perhaps some other big US-cities have some too?
natija08 1 year ago
@LeafItToM3
I just found out that New York has 58 100% vegan restaurants and a lot of (66, if I remember it correctly) vegetarian (mostly vegan) restaurants.
Wow!
natija08 1 year ago
@natija08 - The reason most people are fat is because they eat shit that they shouldn't be eating... Chicken isn't naturally deep fried in a shit load of grease, now is it?
PSNBloodraid 1 year ago
@PSNBloodraid
And how naturally is it to breed hens who lay an egg every day or cows who produce more than 30 l milk a day?
Or to breed turkeys who can't stand on their own feet, because their chest is so heavy?
Besides the animals are fed with unnatural food, hormones and antibiotika.
The whole industry of factory farming is unnatural and cruel.
natija08 1 year ago
@natija08 Breeding is perfectly natural. It's simply mating the organisms who possess the traits that the breeder desires.
If a cow possesses the ability to produce more than 30L of milk a day, and is bred with a bull, creating offspring that can produce more than 30L of milk a day, it's pretty damned natural to me.
And vegetables and fruits aren't sprayed down with insecticides and grown in chemically enhanced fertilizer? They're not loads larger than they were a hundred years ago?
PSNBloodraid 1 year ago
@PSNBloodraid - part one
I know how breeding works.
But ... the results are not natural. Let me explain:
In nature a cow feeds her calf with the milk, she produces. To produce MORE milk than the calf needs is not economical for her. She has a disadvantage compared to normal cows.
More important is, that the races used today suffer a lot. After 5 years they are exhausted and ill. Now they are slaughtered.
natija08 1 year ago
@PSNBloodraid - part two
Fruits and vegetable are bred too and they have the same disadvantage. In nature they wouldn't survive. They need protection and fertilizer.
The difference is that plants don't suffer exhaustion.
Organic food isn't sprayed with biocides.
natija08 1 year ago
@natija08 Organic is an invalid argument. There's organic fruits and vegetables as well as organic meats. You pretty much said fruits and vegetables are unnatural (Which was your argument against meat).
So basically your argument is that you're against the way animals are treated. Which has NOTHING to do with our health (which, if I remember correctly, was your original argument?)
PSNBloodraid 1 year ago
@PSNBloodraid
My original argument was, that animals shouldn't suffer.
But furthermore I believe that a vegan diet is the best diet for us to get a healthy body and a free soul.
natija08 1 year ago 13
@natija08
I am not a vegetarian myself but I know that I should take the step. If not else but for ethical reasons. And as such I cant very well understand the anti-vegan prejudgement that if flooding our society since the 90s.
CarlMinez 1 year ago 12
@natija08 No, it does not. Dont be an idiot.
gregff9966 1 year ago
@gregff9966
What do you mean?
natija08 1 year ago
@natija08 you said meat is not good for us, it causes heart disease.
gregff9966 1 year ago
@gregff9966
Yes, that's right.
You know, many people die of heart disease, don't you? The reasons are too much fat and cholesterol in their food - in the animal products they eat.
For me, this isn't the most important reason to be a vegan. My main reason is, that animals can suffer.
natija08 1 year ago
@natija08 I hope you realise that turkey is one of the leanest meats you can get.
Meaning there is very little fat and cholesterol. Yes, people die from heart disease, but its not because of meat. We were ment to eat meat.
gregff9966 1 year ago
@gregff9966
Please tell me, why do people die from heart disease? I know that stress plays an important role, but the main reason is - as far as I know - arteriosclerosis.
We weren't meant to eat meat. We have no fangs.
My main reason not to eat meat is, that all animals suffer a lot, when raised on farms and slaughtered.
natija08 1 year ago
@natija08 I dont know why people die from heard disease. Whats your point? People die from cancer, heart attacks, or whatever, care to explain that?
You are not making a bit of sence, the only reason you say we are not ment to meat meat is because you dont like the fact that we kill animals.
Eating meat has been around for ever, the begining of time. If we were not ment to then we never would have.
gregff9966 1 year ago
@gregff9966 Its not only the fact that animals are enslaved and slaughtered meat is very bad for the human body. It disrupts our natural ph balance and creates a highly acidic state in our body which leads to many problems all of the above and mainly fat retention to neutralise the acid..
wingchunming 1 year ago 3
Eating meat has not been around since the begining of time. We once started eating meat when it was hard to grow veg, so it served as a way for man to survive. Now we do not need that.
wingchunming 1 year ago 3
There is nothing we eat meat for apart from its taste. 85% of protein is destroyed upon cooking and everything else we get from plant based whole foods.
Just wanted to share what I have learnt, hope it doesnt offend you my friend ; )
wingchunming 1 year ago 2
@wingchunming You are a fucking idiot. Yea, I bet the indians and cave men only ate veggies. Hate to break it to ya, but they were mostly meat eaters, so yes, eating meat has been around since the begining of time. Hate to break it to ya, idiot.
gregff9966 1 year ago
@wingchunming Oh, another thing that proves you dont know what your talking about. You said in the begining it was hard to grow veggies, so eating meat was a way to survive. Then you say meat is only good for its taste, all the protein is destroyed in the cooking. So basically your saying meat serves no purpous for survival? Make up your fucking mind, find out what the fuck you are talking about, then comment back. Your just making yourself look like a fucking idiot.
gregff9966 1 year ago
@gregff9966 Ok first off whats with all this swearing? are we not just trying to have a discussion here? if your gonna just go off on one and act like that then whats the point in posting on here?
If you read my points you would have got that I said at one point it was hard to grow veg. What I ment from "the taste is that we dont eat meat to gain anything other than protein which 80% of is gone from heating, fact.
wingchunming 1 year ago 2
Of course we could survive off it but now we have an abundance of everything what is the point?
Im only sharing so please dont get too pissed off mate. At the end of the day im not asking you to stop eating meat
wingchunming 1 year ago 3
@wingchunming Never heard that before. Yall dumb ass vegans come up with the dumbest things. Thats all you can do, just because you dont like the fact that people kill animals for food, you come up with all these lies saying meat is poison, meat is bad and will kill us, ect. Maybe we would belive your idiotic comments if people actually died frome eating meat. Untill then, shut the fuck up.
gregff9966 1 year ago
@gregff9966 Well just because you have never heard it before I guess that makes it a lie? or made up? haha... Your right i dont like that fact. But I didnt come up with the scientific research that state all these facts. Your just so blind to see that meat is killing us... biggest cause of heart disease and diabetes, gout etc
If you want proof just ask your doctor what are the main causes of these. You prob wont though haha
Ps chillout nothing to lose by talking about things
wingchunming 1 year ago
@wingchunming I never have the chance to see the doctor to ask that. But someone in my famly did. The doctor told him not to eat as much red meat, because of the higher fat content. But did say to eat more fish, chicken, turkey, pork, ect.
gregff9966 1 year ago
@gregff9966 did he say why?
I think our doctors need to learn more about nutrition. right now they just want to fix a problem but not solve it
wingchunming 1 year ago
@gregff9966 Ah i see. I think that is a eat these meats if your gonna kinda thing right? It makes sense to eat leaner meat if you need to for health reasons.
It feels nice talking to you now dude. I never ment to offend anyone with my comments ; )
wingchunming 1 year ago
@wingchunming Its not about offending anyone, Some people just fail to realize that is perfectly natural to eat meat.
gregff9966 1 year ago
@gregff9966 I would like to understand why mate.
Do you feel weird knowing that the meat you eat comes from those battery farms and slaughter houses? thats one thing that put me off meat as well..
wingchunming 1 year ago
@wingchunming No, I dont feel weird knowing that. Because the only meat I eat is what I kill out in the woods.
gregff9966 1 year ago
@gregff9966
Look at our teeth: no teeth to tear meat into pieces. Our teeth are very good to chew all kinds of plants like leaves, fruit, seeds or nuts.
Plants are full of vitamins and minerals and they contain a lot of roughage (I found that in my dictionary - is it the right word?).
To understand the ethical argument, you should perhaps inform yourself about all the cruelty animals have to endure. On my channel you can find videos about that subject. Please open your mind.
natija08 1 year ago
@natija08 What about our teeth? I just ate a steak today and I had no problem at all tearing it into pieces.
This is why I say you dont make a bit of sence. Like I said, you people say we are not made to eat meat just becase you dont like the fact that we kill animals.
I have an open mind, its just not open to bullshit.
gregff9966 1 year ago
@gregff9966
Did you ever see the teeth of a meat eating animal? It has special teeth to cut off peaces of meat from their victims. You can look into the mouth of your cat or dog. There you will find those teeth. Or just google it.
If you would try to eat a peace of meat from a whole dead cow, you would fail with your teeth.
If you refuse to look at the cruel treatment of animals you will not understand what vegans talk about.
natija08 1 year ago
@natija08 Yea, they have those teeth. Because they were designed to eat 100% meat. People are omnivors, meaning we were ment to eat meat and plants. LOL, bet you never thought of that.
Why dont you just admit that you dint know what your talking about? Obviously you dont. Your just making up lies because you dont like animals being killed for food.
gregff9966 1 year ago
@gregff9966
Don't you understand? If you were designed to eat meat, you would have those teeth too. Humans are not born with a knife and a fork in their hands.
I know what I am talking about ... I don't tell lies. It's not a lie that we have no teeth to tear meat into peaces.
I don't eat meat for more than 20 years now. Why do you think I'm still alive? If I were to follow your theory that humans are omnivores, I would have died long ago.
natija08 1 year ago
@natija08 I dont think you understand. Trying to talk sence into you is like talking to a pile of shit. I dont know what is dumber.
We dont have the meat eating teeth because we are not 100% meat eaters.
We are NOT designed to eat only plants or else we would be 100% plant eaters.
Hard telling why you are still alive, bet you are very thin and weak. So you say if you ate meat, you would have been dead a long time ago? LOL!!!!! Your a fucking idiot.
gregff9966 1 year ago
@gregff9966
You try to insult me. You don't respect other humans.
Back to the teeth: You know that bears are omnivores, don't you? They eat plants and meat. Look at the teeth a bear has: You find those teeth which are able to tear meat of a dead animal into pieces.
But we have no such teeth.
How can you say that I'm thin and weak? You don't know me.
And I said: YOU THINK that humans must eat meat. I didn't eat meat for more than 20 years. If you were right, I would have died long ago.
natija08 1 year ago
@natija08 How do you think your going to get respect from acting like an idiot? You try to spread lies and all this shit just because you dont like the fact that animals die for us to eat.
Anyone with some inteligence would know that if we were not designed to eat meat, we simply would not eat it.
Its the same thing with trying to feed a horse a steak, it wont even touch it. Why? Because they were ment to eat plants. Try that with a lion, give it a carrot. See what im saying?
gregff9966 1 year ago
@gregff9966
I don't tell lies. Humans have no teeth which can tear meat into pieces. That's a fact.
And another fact is that humans can live a healthy life without meat and can live a healthy life with a vegan diet without any animal product.
There are millions of vegetarians living on this planet and meanwhile hundreds of thousands of vegans.
Again: I didn't eat any meat for more than 20 years and I'm healthy and am able to work 50 to 60 hours a week.
natija08 1 year ago
@natija08 Sorry, but you do tell lies. If we dont have the teeth to tear meat into pieces, then how do we eat it? Like I said, it we were not ment to eat meat, we simply would not eat it. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
As for all the other vegans saying they live longer and have more energy, well thats a lie too. Just speeking for myself, I work sun up to sun down 7 days a week in logging. The hardest job known to man. I dont have a problem with loss of energy.
gregff9966 1 year ago
@gregff9966
Look, the meat on your plate once was a piece of a cow (or another animal). This cow was slaughtered, her thick (!) skin was teared down with a machine (!) and she was cut into halves with a chainsaw (!). The halves were cut into pieces with a sharp knife (!). You than buy the meat at your discounter. You fry your meat in a pan and eat it with fork and knife.
A lion has no bolt gun, chainsaw or knife to get his meal. He has to use his claws and teeth. We can't do that.
natija08 1 year ago
@natija08 Like I said. If we were not ment to eat meat, we never would have. How do you think people in the begining of time got the idea to kill something and eat it?
Because it is perfectly natural. Thats why you dont see a horse chasing down, killing and eating another animal. Thats why you dont see lion out grazing.
gregff9966 1 year ago
@natija08 yeah. that happens in america and in other western developed countries. In other parts of the world farmers do it more humbly. we don't have fancy machines or big corporation owned farms.They tend to their own animals, fish their food for the day and plant their own wheat. Muslims even pray before killing their meat, thaking god for the blessing upon them.
arthurs12inchcook 1 year ago
@arthurs12inchcook
Do you think the animal doesn't suffer if you pray before killing it?
It suffers a lot because many muslims have no respect for animals, are very crude against them and slaughter them without any anesthetic.
They don't know that their Prophet Mohammed told them to be kind to animals.
natija08 1 year ago
@natija08 my point is that not all killing is as brutal as PETA makes people believe. I don't know about your culture, but in ours meat (esp. seafood) will always be a part of our diet--if not just for me but for all the people in my homeland. I hope PETA would respect that. I think human beings deserve more respect than animals.
arthurs12inchcook 1 year ago
@arthurs12inchcook
Animals deserve as much respect as human beings.
It doesn't matter what you think. What's right and wrong doesn't change just because you think different (or with the crowd). Right and wrong can't change, only your mind can. You should change yours.
DarkAngel0125 1 year ago 3
@DarkAngel0125 you are very ethnocentric. why don't you visit a fishing village in japan, or visit a cow farm in the philippines, and tell the people there that they and their ancestors are "wrong".
I'm really for animal rights. But to put them above any human being is just sick
arthurs12inchcook 1 year ago
@arthurs12inchcook
Cultures can change, have changed a lot in the past and will change in the future.
If people notice that animals have feelings and souls too, they will change their treatment of them.
Animals deserve the same respect as humans do. To deserve respect means not to kill or injure animals or humans but help them out of their misery.
natija08 1 year ago
@natija08 animals have feelings and souls too? don't humans have feelings and souls too? Do you think what PETA did to those fishermen in Japan (wherein they protested their way of living and source of income) can be called respect?
arthurs12inchcook 1 year ago
@arthurs12inchcook are you joking? The firshermen are in the process of unnecessary killing, so you want people to sit on their hands and have a civilized discussion about killing dolphins that at one moment is swimming with its family then the next moment the family is slaughtered and the dolphin is enslaved and sold to a marine park for life. Are you for real? Do you understand those guys get up to 100grand for a live catch? Shut them down! Don't feel sad for the a-holes.
sohcsarewicked 1 year ago
@sohcsarewicked So you saying that the fishermen from Wakayama get 100grand per catch? have you ever been there? perhaps you're talking about the fishermen from big companies. Local fishermen don't get 100grand! if they did they wouldn't go fishing anymore!
arthurs12inchcook 1 year ago
@arthurs12inchcook You better do some research, if you think only a couple of village fishermen are out there you are uninformed and if you don't know how much they get paid PER dead dolphin and for a LIVE catch then you are very uninformed. Its up to $100 000 per live catch. Watch this video on youtube called "A dolphin in the truck (live load)". that dolphin is either 1 already paid for 2 up for sale to higest bidder. If you think these are some poor village people you are wrong.
sohcsarewicked 1 year ago
@sohcsarewicked 100,000? Don't use the word "research" next to a youtube video. Have you ever been to Wakayama? people there don't get 100,000 per live catch! because if they do they wouldn't stay in Wakayama. That's another crazy misconception of another westerner thinking that everyone else in the world doesn't matter. "spare the cute little dolphins and fuck those humans who don't speak english" --just crazy.
arthurs12inchcook 1 year ago
@arthurs12inchcook Maybe you should do some research how it is mostly non locals participating in the dolphin slaughter
sohcsarewicked 1 year ago
@sohcsarewicked There are non-locals participating. but that doesn't erase the fact that they have been doing so for hundreds of years. it's their culture. PETA doesn't get that. The west doesn't get that. All you care about is your feelings on these cute animals. Dont preach about research while defending PETA. Because they are the worst conspirators. I personally have discovered the errors in the information they send out so many times. It's not research when you got it from a youtube video.
arthurs12inchcook 1 year ago