While I agree that there needs to be people who would work for these 'lower end' jobs, I believe that many of those jobs could be given to the homeless, to the unemployed, to the mentally ill people of America.
The unemployed do get jobs judging on the decreasing unemployment rate. However, you still have that majority who have too much pride and would rather be jobless than work a low skill, minimum wage job.
FUCK ALL ILLEGALS that is the fuckin bottom line... you are not here leagally and you need to get your asses out, you lower our economic standards, you kill our american citizens, you take advantage of our care and pay no taxes in return, you have no right to be here....THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ILLAGEAL RIGHTS!!!
For being such a patriot of America, you would think you would have enough pride to look into American economic statistics.
I've been over this far too many times. If you choose to be uniformed, then so be it. But if you want a little more education, look at my previous posts.
This is the way my people see the problem; The first illegal immigrant arrived in 1492, unlawfully occupied land stolen to the natives people of ANAHUAC (got it? not america). This land is ours, and we have the right to move, whenever we want to move, by the way fuck the wall on the border. Assholes can build any wall they want in Europe.
If there were no immigrants in the united states this nation would be nothing. From it begings it was all about the immigrants and still today with out them this countrie will go no were with out them.
This is true. The Irish and Germans did it and America still prospered. History is only repeating itself. Only this time we have a bunch of overpossesive morons who don't look into statistics and would much rather speak from their rears.
I have worked with iegal's for years and not one of them care to be a American,But people like you can't see all the shit they are doing to the country!Ron Paul will stop this bull shit!
No the children say they want free education so they can take it back to thier country. That would be great but why do I have to pay for it!Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me ! :)~
By the time a child gets a full education in this country, he or she will more than likely be an American citizen (which is the arguement, their legal status). So why does it matter what country they take their knowledge to? Millions of American citizens travel and disperse their education in foreign countries every day.
"The question should be....why can't lazy Americans get jobs? And citizenship is no walk in the park. It's takes years. Some immigrants have even waited two decades to gain citizenship only to be denied. Shows how weak America's immigration system is."
I cant even fathom how you can say that. How dare you insult America? If were so goddamn lazy, how come wev'e grown to become the richest country in the world?? If all we do is sit on our asses all day, then why has some of history's greatest minds come from America??
I can say that because of the obvious.....ITS TRUE. Yes, the majority of America is lazy. And the only reason we are AMONG the richest nations is because of immigrants who have built America to what it is today. Funny you asked that questions. Yes, great minds have come from America....but for every 'great mind' there are a million dense, bigoted, and unsensible people (as yourself) who also live in the land.
One question....if America's people weren't so dumb and lazy....explain why the health care system, government assistance, and education is at the state it's in?!
how about when they use other peoples social security numbers and fake passports and ids? thats fraud in case you diddnt know. and if you dont approve this comment and the last one then ill know where you actually stand on the subject.
False security numbers, passports, and ids may seem as a negative. But they are inevitable. And if a comprehensive immigration bill were to be passed....there would be no issue with that. However, if you did your research, you'd find that fraud cases are mostly committed by Americans who not only steal identity but purchase thousands of items with the stolen idenity.
what about the common knowlege that they broke our laws. why not fight for the rights of the common drug dealer. if your logic is correct they deserve rights too.
You can't be that dense. You parallel a common drug dealer to an immigrant that seeks nothing more than opportunity. You aren't making your side of the argument sensible....not that it was to begin with.
what happens if a illegal alien gets hit by a car?.........tax payers pay for there injuries they also take americans jobs we dont need them they need us the U.S. wouldn't have as much of a problem if politicians would enforce laws more and send soldiers down to the border and not be so afraid of losing the hispanic vote....... george bush is the only one who even brings up the topic. they smuggle drugs into the U.S every day illegal aliens are a problem
Tax payers waste money on everything. The war is the biggest example.
But it's only right for us to pay for one's injuries if they are hurt no matter the legal status. Please see past your biased political ideology and realize what morally correct.
Why would we send soldiers to the border? These people aren't a threat. They aren't blemishing our economy, our healthcare system, and make almost no effect on our taxes. So no matter how much conservative media lies, the statistics are there.
AMERICANS are keeping the drug border trafficing in demand. Whether you would like to believe it or not, Americans are the root of the drug issue. But the drug issue is exaggerated in itself.
wow you have way to much time on your hands maybe your just an angry mexican who got hit by a car and instead of coming over here illegally why dont you atleast attempt to fix your fucked up country before you come over here and act like you deserve something
I'm an American, moron. The question is why don't you help American (the land of immigrants) create a more sensible immigration system? If people like you would see past your biased race issue, I'm sure you would accomplish something.
You shouldn't waste your time. You aren't informed and only embarrassing youself.
The statistics I use are accurate. They come from studies from federal organizations, credible news sources (not the overexaggerated conservative CRAP), studies from the top Universities in the nation, etc.
I think YOU need to find some source. Because you have no 'info', only biased emotional outcries.
Do you read what you're typing? Comparing an American criminal to a human whose only definition of 'crime' is seeking better opportunity. Not only that, but wanting to inflict violence onto possible women and children based on nothing more than legal status. You're ridiculous and should be ashamed of yourself.
An illegal aliens (for the most part) are not criminals. A criminal is a person who robs,steals,rapes,or murders. U.S.citizens offer these people work and they accep it. The empleyer of illegal aliens is the criminal. By exploiting desparate Mexicans
Exactly. It's hard sharing this common knowledge with the opposers. That's why it's like pulling teeth trying to get the opposer to break down the 'crime' of the average working illegal immigrant. There is none. Nothing other than legal status which only makes their so called 'crime' seem so unjust. The fact that these people are ok with grouping a hard working immigrant with a murderer or rapist is insane.
Are you that dense? It's unjust because the crime they have committed, and has paralleled them with 'real' criminals, is broken down to legal status. How do they pay for a crime when the crime is seeking opportunity?
Mexico's immigration policy is not more tolerant than ours, but nice video and music though. They want to build a border at the south, but they don't want the U.S. to build their own border. You will not get free welfare in Mexico, but you do in the U.S.
My hat goes off to you Jawnzon you are giving the facts to the people and in-turn letting them make an informed and educated opinion education is FREEDOM.You have not degraded nor insulted anyone by trying to get your point across.You have shown class and style with your intelligence WELL DONE you have my uttmost respect!!
Thank you so much. It's difficult attempting to inform people who have their minds set on what they want to believe rather than what they should believe.
This is unfortunate. Spreading this vigilante attitude and not educating the masses shows the condition our country is in when it comes to 'the people'.
No, illegal immigrants are the result of Mexico's unfortunate economy. The fact that 'successful' Mexican as yourself (I'm hoping you are after your comment) opposes and is IGNORANT to the struggle of lower class individuals in your country brings SHAME upon OUR culture.
Being that our sloppy immigration system doesn't always allow immigrants to get a clear legal path to America, the option of legally coming to this country is extremely difficult to immigrants.
Of course illegal immigration is a drain on the country. Just ask the people who live in the border states. This is destroying our hospitals, schools and lowering wages. 300 million people is quite enough. They need to stop talking amnesty and start building the fence.
Destroying hospitals....no. Schools....no. Lowering wages....for illegal immigrants, yes, for Americans.....no. I've touched on each of the subjects above with accurate statistics. I'm not going to go over this again.
There's really no need to 'break' into Mexico being that their immigration system is sadly more tolerant than ours. Illegal immigrants use 1.1 billion of the 88 billion in healthcare services yearly. That's hardly 'demanding'.
No need to 'demand' ENGLISH education in Mexico since it was established decades ago. And the option to pay college tuition was soley in the hands of our American representatives. So do not place blame on the innocent. But you opposer always do, so it's expected.
Straight from the President of the United States mouth:
In the third quarter of 2003, worker productivity rose at a 9.4 percent annual rate -- the fastest pace since 1983. Rising productivity means rising wages.
And productivity gains help companies keep prices low, which allows American families to stretch their paychecks further.Other economic signs are positive. Surveys show manufacturing activity to be at its strongest level in 20 years. Automobile sales rose in November. Home construction continues to expand.
Oh dense one. Please stop. One can't assimilate into the 'American' culture for the obvious reason- America IS THE MELTING POT OF ALL CULTURES. And please, the Latin culture and Spanish traditions were established in the land long before America was established itself. I gave gizmonic65 a brief history lesson above. You should read it too.
Any rift that is created in the country is due in part to uncultured people like you who paint their own picture of what makes one American.
Illegal immigration is no drain on the economy. It's funny how that argument is so alive when it's beyond obvious that the economy shows no sign of suffering. Especially in the past 7 years where illegal immigration has risen. Coincidently, the economy has improved. Hmmmm.
Why wouldn't latinos support illegal immigration? Especially when most see first hand the bull conservative media spews about immigrants on a daily basis.
Yes, they are 'breaking the law'....very unjust laws. But if our immigration system wasn't so unstable that wouldn't be an issue. The process is much more complicated than what conservative media makes it out to be. Placing children (most of which are American born) in school isn't a buren....it's a must. In the long run NOT placing their children in any schooling would have much more of a 'burden' to our 'social infrastructure'.
And as I've already mentioned. Hospital care is SIMPLY NOT AN ISSUE. When you have individuals who pay upfront for their health services....how in the world do you label that a 'burden'.
Statistics speak for themselves....illegal immigrants use a minute 1.1 billion of the 88 billion used yearly in healthcare services. OBVIOUSLY the problem does not lie within the immigrant community....but moreso Americans. And any tax preparer can tell you that illegal immigrants do infact pay taxes. However, because it is simply voluntary, you'll of course have your few bad apples who won't. But to assume ALL illegal immigrants don't pay taxes is senseless.
And no, only 60 million is sent to Latin America on a yearly basis. There are 20 million immigrants. So yes, your theory about not contributing to the economy is nothing more than a fib. Nice try, though.
When will this country ever know what the word accountability means? never, keep blaming hard working people that feed their families, if that is what makes you sleep better at night, but dont be to surprised when Judgment day comes around, you may not like what you see!
The information is there, people are blind to it, and use scapegoats to make themselves feel better. It is sad that this country has come to that, but hey they have been doing it for YEARS, Chinese, then Irish, then Black, then mexicans, and mexicans and latinos again.
hey i completely agree with you on illegal immigration...im actually doing a debate on it for school...do u think u can give me some websites or some points that can make my argument stronger?
Alot of people are slowly agreeing the more 'accurate' information is let out there.
I would definitely suggest National Council of La Raza webpage. You should email them with concern to garner important information of the whole immigration issue.
I would also take notes on debates. You'll find those who oppose are right wingers with flooky imformation.
I would also emphasize that illegal immigrants use a minute 1 billion of the 88 billion spent on healthcare, which shows that either the "overcrowded ERs" debate is oversensationalized (which it is in most cases) or illegal immigrants are paying much more than the American citizen when it comes to health services. Also don't forget to mention that the "uninsured American" is much more harmful to America than any illegal immigrant.
Don't forget to mention that illegal immigrants commit crimes at a much lower rate than American citizens. Glad Heraldo Rivera added that information with his shouting debate with O'Reilly. You should see the video. lol.
Better idea: American media, stop overexaggerating the crime rate in the illegal immigrant community....start focusing on the overlooked high crime rate of American citizens.
Jawnzon: higher crime of citizens? The Bureau of Federal Prisons reports 15-20% of prisoners in Fed, State, local jails are undocumented. If there 20M illegals in the country (6% of the population) while 20% are in jail, illegals are 300% more likely to be in jail. Do the math sport......
No no no! You half wit. Mathematics and basic common sense aren't your strong points, clearly.
The 15-20%, which is probably an exaggeration in itself, pertains only to those serving behind bars NOT 15-20% of the the immigrant community. Are you that dense that you couldn't realize that? By your numbers, 80 or more percent of those in jail are Americans. Thus proving the already known and researched.....AMERICANS COMMIT CRIMES AT A LARGER RATE THAN IMMIGRANTS.
Once again. Biased opposition from a half wit who oversensationalizes the negatives of illegal immigration. 60 emergency rooms in California out of business? Yet another inaccurate statistic. You forgot to mention that the 'uninsured American citizen' do far more damage to ERs across America than illegal immigrants.
And for the last time. What evidence do you have that illegal immigrants TAKE American jobs. These jobs are given to them from employers who take advantage of cheap labor. And why can't the American public grasp that a majority of low income American citizens are lazy, unemployed individuals who leech off the government? Which in my opinion is far more harmful that a hard working illegal immigrant with less that amazing pay.
And it's more than obvious you thrive off of overexaggerations.
There's nothing chaotic about the marches. It's moving to see large crowds opposing a dreadful administration and an ignorance that is widespread in this country.
Ignorance is the PERFECT word to sum up your responce. Drug smuggling is yet another issue that right wing media usually emphasizes on to belittle the millions of hardworking immigrants that are simply here for opportunity. Fence hopping, of course, how else would they come to the US after being rejected from America's laughable immigration system.
Taco eating! Mmmmm sounds delicious. I'm pretty certain you and the rest of America can be considered "taco eaters" being that some of America's largest food chains depend on Spanish cuisine.
Lettuce picking yahoo! I guess it's sensible to place that label on them. They are after all doing jobs that lazy ass Americans like you would snub and would much rather be unemployed, living off the government.
You can't expect a half-wit, who uses labels like "taco-eater" and "lettuce-picker" to assist their side of an arguement, to actually have the brainpower to advance in life.
The only 'vermin scum' in this country are people like you,chicagopoetry. The people who would much rather ramble on with narrow minded, bigotted bias than to actually do research and have an intellectual debate. It's intolerance like you who truely hurt this beautiful country. You should be ashamed.
Oh, gizmonic65...I must add. You're "No Spanish publication 20 years ago" was too hilarious to ignore. So I'm about to prove you wrong. Here's a little bit of history sharing that even in 1849, Spanish speakers were fighting against anti-bilingual morons like you.
Spanish speakers in California experienced an entirely different fate. This conquered group, representing a slight majority of the population at the end of the Mexican--American War,
was initially treated with respect by Anglo elites, who had often intermarried with the local population and learned its vernacular. The 1849 constitution recognized Spanish language rights, including a guarantee for the bilingual publication of state laws. By the following year, however, the Californios' political status plummeted as the Gold Rush made them a minority of about 15 percent.
Experienced Spanish-speaking miners, especially from Mexico and Peru, became targets for the animosity of fortune-seeking gringos. The state legislature began to pass so-called 'greaser laws,' along with a Foreign Miner's tax, to harass the Latin Americans. In 1855, the state officially discontinued Spanish-language schooling (Leibowitz, 1969), although some localities ignored the decree.
Perhaps most damaging, the federal California Land Act of 1851 required all landowners to prove title to their holdings in English-language courts. Over the next generation, the Spanish-speaking gentry lost title to virtually all of the large haciendas, totaling 14 million acres, that they had held at the end of the Mexican--American War; 40 percent of these lands had to be sold simply to pay the fees of English-speaking lawyers (Pitt, 1966).
It is unfortunate that america doesnt have a reasonable citizenship process, but living in this country illegally is well, illegal.America should work on making immigrating to this counrty legally easier,but for the time being illegal immigrants need to be deported back to their own country. Its the alw,unfortunantly.
They shouldn't pay for America's mistakes. It is illegal. But not all laws are just. They are grouped with criminals of all kinds just for wanting better opportunities in America.
It is not hard to become a citizen if you come here LEGALLY. I know someone who just went through the process. Breaking the law is exactly that. Yes, our system is screwed. But it MUST be fixed and this group, no matter WHERE they are from MUST BE DEPORTED. It is THAT simple. Break the law, do the time.
That isn't a 'just' or comprehensive way to go on about it. Especially since 90 percent of illegal immigration is due to our broken system. Numerous immigrants have waited up to 2 decades for citizenship only to be denied. President Bush has a very sensible route for these immigrants.
Please explain why. I see these kind of posts all the time and they are never backed with any statistics to help their argument on deportation for these hard workers.
WHAT? They have broken our laws. They collect food stamps, social security and MANY other services without contributing to ANY of it. The REFUSE to learn the language. I know a friend who just lost a painting job a bunch of VERMIN. DEPORT THIS GARBAGE NOW!
Broken the laws? Let's examine that. If America didn't have a broken immigration system these immigrants wouldn't have to sneak in to work. It's sad coming from a country that was built by immigrants. Illegal aliens do infact pay taxes and use less than 1% of healthcare.
And they've contributed more than enough. an estimated 29 billion a year. And that number is rising. What evidence do you have that they refuse to learn English? Nothing. Studies have showed that most immigrants have knowledge of at least the basics of English. And your friend probably lost the job because an illegal immigrant does more work, faster, better, and with less pay than he/she. That's how it usually is.
It all goes back to Mexico. I have loads of evidence. Just ask anyone in the medical field. They get mad when you dont know Spanish. My friend lost the job because he was undercut in price. Typical open border liberal reply. Educate yourself. They are destroying our country as we know it.
You don't have 'loads' of evidence. Clearly it more 'loads of bull'. Statistically, you're very wrong.
And as far as immigrants upset of non-Spanish speakers. Again this is simply heresay. If you 'ask anyone in the medical field' you would come to find that most hospitals have a staff of Spanish speakers. In medical school is it encouraged to learn Spanish and French prior to externships. But I'm so sure you were aware of that.
Take your statistics and go preach to someone else. I see this crap everyday. Try the real world dude. Great, we have to learn THEIR language to assist them. DEPORT THESE VERMIN NOW!
Yes, because morons like yourself fail to grasp the truth and all the honest information out there due to personal, biased opinions. It's time to YOU are introduced into the real world....and FACTS to the real issues.
No, you are spewing LIES. But it is ok to break the law in your mind. Go ahead, destroy all that what makes this country great. As for moron, why I am bothering talking to one like you is beyond me. But you started the name calling, so who is the one who cant grasp reality? Pro law breaker, that's you ya jerk.
I have yet to give any sort of inaccurate information. YOU are dispersing lies and biased opinions. And the only statistic you provided was easily shot down.
American citizen destroy this country enough. Since you love to emphasize on illegal criminal activity, why don't you see the high percentage of AMERICAN crime.
One more thing NIMROD. Lets go back to basics. In this country we have LAWS. Not like Mexico which treats their illegals like dog shit. Or PROMOTES breaking our laws by encouraging illegal activity, such as drug, people and gun running. These laws are being broken, no only by a majority of mexicans, but from losers all over the world. Once we give up on that law, whats next dope? Bringing back slavery? Ok to rape women? Murder?
How does Mexico encourage drug activity when 98% of the buyers are AMERICANS. Once again, you ignorant opposers love to throw the same old "breaking laws" phrase like no tomorrow. Like I've said numerous times....they wouldn't be breaking laws if AMERICA HAD A WORKING IMMIGRATION SYSTEM.
You are like the majority of idiots who emphasize on the negatives of illegal immigration. When criminal activity in the immigrant community is dismal.
REMEMBER there is 20 MILLION IMMIGRANTS living in America. By opposing there existance in this country because of the small percentage of illegal criminals only makes it unfair to those (The dramatic majority) who are here soley for work.
That's the problem. They are here to get money. Working illegally and hurting our economy. Go fix Mexico, we don't need more illegals. Hell we don't need legal immigrants who don't want to be citizens and most DO NOT WANT citizenship, they want money.
Hurting the economy? The economy is doing amazingly well. So I don't see how the economy has suffered with the billions immigrants make both big and small businesses.
If we aren't for sale, then why do a large number of Americans who are unemployed live off the government?
BALONY. There are only 2 ways to come here, legally and ILEGALLY. They are bringing in drugs. We have American citizens getting raped, robbed and murdered by this ass holes. I am sick of it. Deport this GARBAGE NOW!
Wait, use les than 1% of our healthcare? That is because MOST hopitals AND medical groups WRITE off the cost of care. They come here, stealing our social security numbers and can get FREE health care at ANY hospital because by LAW they cannot refuse someone who is sick. Who pays for this? WE DO. the tax payer. Yes, we have a broken system that needs to be fixed. NOW. They DONT pay taxes if they are paid in CASH!
You seem lost and uninformed. I feel I should educate you.
A Rand Corp. study finds that the amount of federal, state and local tax money spent providing healthcare for illegal immigrants in the United States is small.
or about $11 in taxes per U.S. household. Total government spending on healthcare for all adults in the same age group comes to $88 billion.
Researchers say that illegal immigrants tend to be healthier than the general population. Their estimates were based on a survey of households in Los Angeles that found large percentages of illegal immigrants had never visited a doctor or had a checkup.
James Smith, an expert in labor market and demographic studies and one of the authors of the report, said that debate on the influx of undocumented aliens is looking at the wrong issues.
Where are you getting this crap? Please, dont waste your time on preaching lies to me. We have a sub culture that refuses to speak english, thanks to the government and businesses that encourge it. Go to any store, one side printed in English, the other in spanish. Call any business/bank, etc. Press 1 for ENGLISH???
I am getting this information from federal organizations and studies from elite economist. THAT'S the ACCURATE information the nation need to see.
You have zero proof that these people refuse to learn English. I am half Mexican myself and I have never heard of any immigrant who had that kind of ideology....that's they don't need to learn English. As I stated before, a dramatic majority of immigrants know the basics of English. What did you not grasp from that the first time?
And on a side note....what in world does Spanish publication have to do with illegal immigration? There ARE hispanic Americans living in America. Not to mention hispanics are the largest minority of the nation. Spanish publication of all businesses has been in this country for centuries, my uninformed friend. you are seriously making a fool out of yourself with your lack of knowledge.
No, you are the fool. Go into ANY store and read the labels ass hole. 20 years ago, it was ALL in English. Now half is in spanish. Companies and our government are making it easer for LAW BREAKERS to come here an not join the Great AMERICAN fabric like so many have done before. You sir are as educated as a an liberal, simply DUMB.
You mean to tell me that there were NO Spanish publications before 1987? YOU ARE WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS. Since you want to be percieved as someone who even knows a tinge of what they're saying....feel free to give evidence that agrees with your claim? TRUST ME....you won't find any. Your dead wrong. It's hilarious now.
Here is a statistic for you dope. The U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has only 18 fugitive operations squads charged with hunting down 80,000 criminal aliens and more than 320,000 foreign nationals who were ordered deported but disappeared.
And what does this imformation prove? Especially since I already stated that the Federal Organization for Immigration Reform has charged 500 thousand immigrants with crimes. A majority being minor charges for minute crimes.
NO it is NOT. The info your are getting is SLANTED to make us believe that illegal immigration is working. The current government is all for this crap. I have more then enough REAL life. I dont need any BS from some website to see whats really going on. I am ALL American, that is how it works when you are BORN here or come here LEGALLY and get naturalized. It is called a MELTING POT!
If anything is slanted, it's you biased opposition to something you have no idea about. You haven't done your research, you don't look at ALL statistics, and you don't embody what it is to be an AMERICAN. You are just a right wing, over possessive moron who has little to no knowledge of our country's history and oour present day surroundings. Wake up and smell the coffee.
No my friend, you are lost and uninformed. Breaking the law is what it is. I dont care about studies or whatever other lies the government wants to spew. DEPORT THESE VERMIN NOW!
Ahh, now I see. Again, typical, when someone disagrees, you resort to name calling. Ok, I can go there to jerk. I have serveral jobs that have exposed me to many folks from all walks of life. I am MARRIED to a so called minority. I have DATED more women from different races, WHY? Because of WHO they were, not WHAT they were. Open your eyes moron.
It is difficult to learn an entire language is such a short period. Most illegal immigrants have knowledge of the basics of English. But it's hilarious how any American can exprobate anyone on the English language when they usually botch it on a daily basis. And they do get jobs. That's why they come to America.
The question should be....why can't lazy Americans get jobs? And citizenship is no walk in the park. It's takes years. Some immigrants have even waited two decades to gain citizenship only to be denied. Shows how weak America's immigration system is.
the u.s.a. was founded by immigrants, most of the land was populated by native americans, natives that you`ve killed , the way i see it , you have stolen their land, so you have no rights on the land nor the people that would like to live there
"you people" is very racist and a steretype to boot...go back to school..you obviously need it and i wouldnt be taking advise from pro-Illegal advocates, most of them are very uneducated thats why afetr all their srgument doesnt have and validity to it..just like yours
You clearly need some sort of schooling yourself. "You people" is OBVIOUSLY the subsitute for opposers of illegal immigration. I didn't know it was that's complex for you to understand. It's hilarious how you concocted some kind racial slur out of it.
And I have so much education to boot. So spare me with the insults. If anything the 'validity' of one's pro-immigrant arguments is much more sensable than those who oppose it.
I'm sure that what you want. Race is the true issue here, not the safety of America. You racist in denial need to do some serious homework and have some kind of tolerance. It's like dealing with whiny children when it comes to your people.
It was a typo moron. "You people" is what I meant. Because we all know damn well "white" people are not on this same page with this issue. I've befriended wonderful pro-immigrant white people who put up a decent arguement for those who seem to have thrown statistics out the window when it's there turn to discuss their side of the issue.
Sadly it's the same recycled "They aren't American citizens", "They're commiting crimes", "They leech off the goverment (which is so beyond the truth by the way)". If you chose to look from a stat friendly point of view, you would discover how silly those arguments are.
Sad.
Jawnzon 3 years ago
While I agree that there needs to be people who would work for these 'lower end' jobs, I believe that many of those jobs could be given to the homeless, to the unemployed, to the mentally ill people of America.
JammaPants 3 years ago 2
The unemployed do get jobs judging on the decreasing unemployment rate. However, you still have that majority who have too much pride and would rather be jobless than work a low skill, minimum wage job.
Jawnzon 3 years ago
FUCK ALL ILLEGALS that is the fuckin bottom line... you are not here leagally and you need to get your asses out, you lower our economic standards, you kill our american citizens, you take advantage of our care and pay no taxes in return, you have no right to be here....THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ILLAGEAL RIGHTS!!!
uspatriot1989 3 years ago 2
For being such a patriot of America, you would think you would have enough pride to look into American economic statistics.
I've been over this far too many times. If you choose to be uniformed, then so be it. But if you want a little more education, look at my previous posts.
Jawnzon 3 years ago
This is the way my people see the problem; The first illegal immigrant arrived in 1492, unlawfully occupied land stolen to the natives people of ANAHUAC (got it? not america). This land is ours, and we have the right to move, whenever we want to move, by the way fuck the wall on the border. Assholes can build any wall they want in Europe.
crossward7 4 years ago
Interesting.
Jawnzon 3 years ago
thank you all for "tolerating" our nation. please return to your native countries and resume tolerating thier opression.
Fish880 4 years ago
Way to take what I said out of context.
These immigrants tolerate half wits like you who know a little more than nothing about not only your native country, but others as well.
Jawnzon 3 years ago
If there were no immigrants in the united states this nation would be nothing. From it begings it was all about the immigrants and still today with out them this countrie will go no were with out them.
dirrtybaster 4 years ago
This is true. The Irish and Germans did it and America still prospered. History is only repeating itself. Only this time we have a bunch of overpossesive morons who don't look into statistics and would much rather speak from their rears.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
I can see why she isn't making any money anymore.
linwooddeaton 4 years ago
Who?
Jawnzon 4 years ago
The us government has to stop this shit or we the people will!!!
killergames187 4 years ago 2
Why would want to stop it? Americans hurt our our own country far more than any illegal immigrant would.
Simply secure the borders and make an easier route for illegal immigrants to become legal residents.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
I have worked with iegal's for years and not one of them care to be a American,But people like you can't see all the shit they are doing to the country!Ron Paul will stop this bull shit!
gothbunny61294 4 years ago 2
Wait you said they're legal? They're already Americans, you half wit.
I have grown up with, worked, and gone to college with 'illegal' immigrants.....all of whom WANTED the American dream.
Your lies aren't going to change the fact that all immigrants (legal and illegal) all seek better opportunity and citizenship.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
No the children say they want free education so they can take it back to thier country. That would be great but why do I have to pay for it!Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me ! :)~
Atlantaminuteman 3 years ago
By the time a child gets a full education in this country, he or she will more than likely be an American citizen (which is the arguement, their legal status). So why does it matter what country they take their knowledge to? Millions of American citizens travel and disperse their education in foreign countries every day.
Jawnzon 3 years ago
Foreigners are the root of all evil.
ibilldavis 4 years ago
With racist ideology like that, it's no wonder congress is leaning toward our side.
The truth is biggoted, ignorant, overpossesive morons like you are the real root of all evil.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
No human is illegal. Superb video.
StopRacismAndHate 4 years ago
Yes. I agree.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
except if you're in the country illegally.
risler34 4 years ago
Which is due to America's broken immigration system.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
AWESOME VIDEO!!! NICE JOB!!!
VronRN 4 years ago
Thank you!
Jawnzon 4 years ago
"The question should be....why can't lazy Americans get jobs? And citizenship is no walk in the park. It's takes years. Some immigrants have even waited two decades to gain citizenship only to be denied. Shows how weak America's immigration system is."
luvhellokittykat100 4 years ago
Thanks for reposting that.....
IT'S THE TRUTH!
Jawnzon 4 years ago
?? If were so simple minded, how come America had established freedom HUNDREDS of years before the taco shack called Mexico.
luvhellokittykat100 4 years ago
Only a simple mind would stoop as low as to call Mexico a "taco shack".
Why is it so hard for you to believe that a large portion of America's people are dumb and lazy? The proof is in the pudding.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
I cant even fathom how you can say that. How dare you insult America? If were so goddamn lazy, how come wev'e grown to become the richest country in the world?? If all we do is sit on our asses all day, then why has some of history's greatest minds come from America??
luvhellokittykat100 4 years ago
I can say that because of the obvious.....ITS TRUE. Yes, the majority of America is lazy. And the only reason we are AMONG the richest nations is because of immigrants who have built America to what it is today. Funny you asked that questions. Yes, great minds have come from America....but for every 'great mind' there are a million dense, bigoted, and unsensible people (as yourself) who also live in the land.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
One question....if America's people weren't so dumb and lazy....explain why the health care system, government assistance, and education is at the state it's in?!
You'd probably blame that on the immigrants.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
how about when they use other peoples social security numbers and fake passports and ids? thats fraud in case you diddnt know. and if you dont approve this comment and the last one then ill know where you actually stand on the subject.
ihurthurt 4 years ago
False security numbers, passports, and ids may seem as a negative. But they are inevitable. And if a comprehensive immigration bill were to be passed....there would be no issue with that. However, if you did your research, you'd find that fraud cases are mostly committed by Americans who not only steal identity but purchase thousands of items with the stolen idenity.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
what about the common knowlege that they broke our laws. why not fight for the rights of the common drug dealer. if your logic is correct they deserve rights too.
ihurthurt 4 years ago
You can't be that dense. You parallel a common drug dealer to an immigrant that seeks nothing more than opportunity. You aren't making your side of the argument sensible....not that it was to begin with.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
what happens if a illegal alien gets hit by a car?.........tax payers pay for there injuries they also take americans jobs we dont need them they need us the U.S. wouldn't have as much of a problem if politicians would enforce laws more and send soldiers down to the border and not be so afraid of losing the hispanic vote....... george bush is the only one who even brings up the topic. they smuggle drugs into the U.S every day illegal aliens are a problem
sgtSpanish911 4 years ago
Tax payers waste money on everything. The war is the biggest example.
But it's only right for us to pay for one's injuries if they are hurt no matter the legal status. Please see past your biased political ideology and realize what morally correct.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
Why would we send soldiers to the border? These people aren't a threat. They aren't blemishing our economy, our healthcare system, and make almost no effect on our taxes. So no matter how much conservative media lies, the statistics are there.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
And lastly, the entire drug debate needs to end.
AMERICANS are keeping the drug border trafficing in demand. Whether you would like to believe it or not, Americans are the root of the drug issue. But the drug issue is exaggerated in itself.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
if i could argue with you face to face you would lose i get tired of typing eventually
sgtSpanish911 4 years ago 2
Highly doubt that. I've debated this issue far too many times. Accurate statistics will always outweigh the conservative bull you morons try to voice.
So if this arguement were to be taken face to face...you'd still look like the uninformed half-wit you do now.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
wow you have way to much time on your hands maybe your just an angry mexican who got hit by a car and instead of coming over here illegally why dont you atleast attempt to fix your fucked up country before you come over here and act like you deserve something
sgtSpanish911 4 years ago
You're dense.
I'm an American, moron. The question is why don't you help American (the land of immigrants) create a more sensible immigration system? If people like you would see past your biased race issue, I'm sure you would accomplish something.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
im not even going to waste my time and argue just get your info from a better source
sgtSpanish911 4 years ago
You shouldn't waste your time. You aren't informed and only embarrassing youself.
The statistics I use are accurate. They come from studies from federal organizations, credible news sources (not the overexaggerated conservative CRAP), studies from the top Universities in the nation, etc.
I think YOU need to find some source. Because you have no 'info', only biased emotional outcries.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
Do you read what you're typing? Comparing an American criminal to a human whose only definition of 'crime' is seeking better opportunity. Not only that, but wanting to inflict violence onto possible women and children based on nothing more than legal status. You're ridiculous and should be ashamed of yourself.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
An illegal aliens (for the most part) are not criminals. A criminal is a person who robs,steals,rapes,or murders. U.S.citizens offer these people work and they accep it. The empleyer of illegal aliens is the criminal. By exploiting desparate Mexicans
global6674 4 years ago
Exactly. It's hard sharing this common knowledge with the opposers. That's why it's like pulling teeth trying to get the opposer to break down the 'crime' of the average working illegal immigrant. There is none. Nothing other than legal status which only makes their so called 'crime' seem so unjust. The fact that these people are ok with grouping a hard working immigrant with a murderer or rapist is insane.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
A criminal is one who breaks the law.
risler34 4 years ago
True. But in this case....the 'crime' is unjust.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
How is it unjust? Are we expected to take in everything poor person in the world?
risler34 4 years ago
Are you that dense? It's unjust because the crime they have committed, and has paralleled them with 'real' criminals, is broken down to legal status. How do they pay for a crime when the crime is seeking opportunity?
Jawnzon 4 years ago
What is unjust about it? Trying to uphold our borders?
risler34 4 years ago
I've explained this. You're too much of a biased half-wit to understand. READ.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
Is it just to let all these people in eventually leading to our 3rd world demise? Lowering the standard of what a U.S. citizen is?
risler34 4 years ago 2
3rd world demise? So rich culture, tanned skin, and hard work is lowering the standard of America?
Wake up and smell the 'diversity' of America.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
Mexico's immigration policy is not more tolerant than ours, but nice video and music though. They want to build a border at the south, but they don't want the U.S. to build their own border. You will not get free welfare in Mexico, but you do in the U.S.
metalreflectslime 4 years ago
Actually it is in fact more tolerant to immigrants going in than the U.S. Garnering citizenship is less of a hassle.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
My hat goes off to you Jawnzon you are giving the facts to the people and in-turn letting them make an informed and educated opinion education is FREEDOM.You have not degraded nor insulted anyone by trying to get your point across.You have shown class and style with your intelligence WELL DONE you have my uttmost respect!!
chicagokiwi 4 years ago
Thank you so much. It's difficult attempting to inform people who have their minds set on what they want to believe rather than what they should believe.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
illegal are criminal, turn in a criminal
Go to the government's new and improved website !
ice(dot)gov/about/investigations/contact.htm
lift a finger against illegals by dialing
ICE Tip Line at 1-866-DHS-2ICE.
thecoldhardtruth 4 years ago
This is unfortunate. Spreading this vigilante attitude and not educating the masses shows the condition our country is in when it comes to 'the people'.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
Illegal Immigrants are a shame for all the successful people who lives in México, illegal inmigrants bring shame upon our heritage.
mdmemeche 4 years ago
No, illegal immigrants are the result of Mexico's unfortunate economy. The fact that 'successful' Mexican as yourself (I'm hoping you are after your comment) opposes and is IGNORANT to the struggle of lower class individuals in your country brings SHAME upon OUR culture.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
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Enfore our BORDERS!. DEPORT ILLEGALS!
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michaelglenn06 4 years ago
^I simply cannot take you seriously with that.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
Learn how to spell, then we can debate your sad, insensitive intolerance for your own people.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
Immigrants are great we are all immigrants. All America asks is two things.
1. Do it legally
2. ..... I guess there is only one condition.
Is this to much to ask?
Berch19 4 years ago
Being that our sloppy immigration system doesn't always allow immigrants to get a clear legal path to America, the option of legally coming to this country is extremely difficult to immigrants.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
Jawnzon, thanks for this vid and your continued campaign for justice and help for illegal immigrants. THanks once again.
AOCU 4 years ago
Of course illegal immigration is a drain on the country. Just ask the people who live in the border states. This is destroying our hospitals, schools and lowering wages. 300 million people is quite enough. They need to stop talking amnesty and start building the fence.
stealth423 4 years ago
Destroying hospitals....no. Schools....no. Lowering wages....for illegal immigrants, yes, for Americans.....no. I've touched on each of the subjects above with accurate statistics. I'm not going to go over this again.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
I Think my family and I will break into mexico and demand free healthcare, education in english and in state college tuition.
stealth423 4 years ago
There's really no need to 'break' into Mexico being that their immigration system is sadly more tolerant than ours. Illegal immigrants use 1.1 billion of the 88 billion in healthcare services yearly. That's hardly 'demanding'.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
No need to 'demand' ENGLISH education in Mexico since it was established decades ago. And the option to pay college tuition was soley in the hands of our American representatives. So do not place blame on the innocent. But you opposer always do, so it's expected.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
economy has not improved u shit the dollar is actually worth 4cents dat inflation out the ass not good economy were the fuck do u get ur information?
BRKLYNBEN 4 years ago
WRONG.
Straight from the President of the United States mouth:
In the third quarter of 2003, worker productivity rose at a 9.4 percent annual rate -- the fastest pace since 1983. Rising productivity means rising wages.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
And productivity gains help companies keep prices low, which allows American families to stretch their paychecks further.Other economic signs are positive. Surveys show manufacturing activity to be at its strongest level in 20 years. Automobile sales rose in November. Home construction continues to expand.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
Oh dense one. Please stop. One can't assimilate into the 'American' culture for the obvious reason- America IS THE MELTING POT OF ALL CULTURES. And please, the Latin culture and Spanish traditions were established in the land long before America was established itself. I gave gizmonic65 a brief history lesson above. You should read it too.
Any rift that is created in the country is due in part to uncultured people like you who paint their own picture of what makes one American.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
Illegal immigration is no drain on the economy. It's funny how that argument is so alive when it's beyond obvious that the economy shows no sign of suffering. Especially in the past 7 years where illegal immigration has risen. Coincidently, the economy has improved. Hmmmm.
Why wouldn't latinos support illegal immigration? Especially when most see first hand the bull conservative media spews about immigrants on a daily basis.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
Yes, they are 'breaking the law'....very unjust laws. But if our immigration system wasn't so unstable that wouldn't be an issue. The process is much more complicated than what conservative media makes it out to be. Placing children (most of which are American born) in school isn't a buren....it's a must. In the long run NOT placing their children in any schooling would have much more of a 'burden' to our 'social infrastructure'.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
And as I've already mentioned. Hospital care is SIMPLY NOT AN ISSUE. When you have individuals who pay upfront for their health services....how in the world do you label that a 'burden'.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
Statistics speak for themselves....illegal immigrants use a minute 1.1 billion of the 88 billion used yearly in healthcare services. OBVIOUSLY the problem does not lie within the immigrant community....but moreso Americans. And any tax preparer can tell you that illegal immigrants do infact pay taxes. However, because it is simply voluntary, you'll of course have your few bad apples who won't. But to assume ALL illegal immigrants don't pay taxes is senseless.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
And no, only 60 million is sent to Latin America on a yearly basis. There are 20 million immigrants. So yes, your theory about not contributing to the economy is nothing more than a fib. Nice try, though.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
When will this country ever know what the word accountability means? never, keep blaming hard working people that feed their families, if that is what makes you sleep better at night, but dont be to surprised when Judgment day comes around, you may not like what you see!
alexciaramirez05 4 years ago
The information is there, people are blind to it, and use scapegoats to make themselves feel better. It is sad that this country has come to that, but hey they have been doing it for YEARS, Chinese, then Irish, then Black, then mexicans, and mexicans and latinos again.
alexciaramirez05 4 years ago
hey i completely agree with you on illegal immigration...im actually doing a debate on it for school...do u think u can give me some websites or some points that can make my argument stronger?
Sumoswan 4 years ago
Hey there!
Alot of people are slowly agreeing the more 'accurate' information is let out there.
I would definitely suggest National Council of La Raza webpage. You should email them with concern to garner important information of the whole immigration issue.
I would also take notes on debates. You'll find those who oppose are right wingers with flooky imformation.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
I would also emphasize that illegal immigrants use a minute 1 billion of the 88 billion spent on healthcare, which shows that either the "overcrowded ERs" debate is oversensationalized (which it is in most cases) or illegal immigrants are paying much more than the American citizen when it comes to health services. Also don't forget to mention that the "uninsured American" is much more harmful to America than any illegal immigrant.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
Don't forget to mention that illegal immigrants commit crimes at a much lower rate than American citizens. Glad Heraldo Rivera added that information with his shouting debate with O'Reilly. You should see the video. lol.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
thanks...so i won my debate and pretty much kicked ass haha
Sumoswan 4 years ago
Thats great! But the opposers arguement is usually dead to begin with. lol.
Glad you kicked ass!
Jawnzon 4 years ago
brilliant idea: let's increase the number of illigal immigrants, since they commit less crime.
bill4justice 4 years ago
Better idea: American media, stop overexaggerating the crime rate in the illegal immigrant community....start focusing on the overlooked high crime rate of American citizens.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
Jawnzon: higher crime of citizens? The Bureau of Federal Prisons reports 15-20% of prisoners in Fed, State, local jails are undocumented. If there 20M illegals in the country (6% of the population) while 20% are in jail, illegals are 300% more likely to be in jail. Do the math sport......
bill4justice2 4 years ago
No no no! You half wit. Mathematics and basic common sense aren't your strong points, clearly.
The 15-20%, which is probably an exaggeration in itself, pertains only to those serving behind bars NOT 15-20% of the the immigrant community. Are you that dense that you couldn't realize that? By your numbers, 80 or more percent of those in jail are Americans. Thus proving the already known and researched.....AMERICANS COMMIT CRIMES AT A LARGER RATE THAN IMMIGRANTS.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
google or search youtube for 'North American Union' and 'SPP' In 2010 there will be no more borders, and no 'illegals'
Sillyrabt 4 years ago
Now google "being realistic".
Hopefully by 2010 there will be a comprehensive immigration reform....but I'm sure you will still be an uneducated bigot staining America.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
Once again. Biased opposition from a half wit who oversensationalizes the negatives of illegal immigration. 60 emergency rooms in California out of business? Yet another inaccurate statistic. You forgot to mention that the 'uninsured American citizen' do far more damage to ERs across America than illegal immigrants.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
And for the last time. What evidence do you have that illegal immigrants TAKE American jobs. These jobs are given to them from employers who take advantage of cheap labor. And why can't the American public grasp that a majority of low income American citizens are lazy, unemployed individuals who leech off the government? Which in my opinion is far more harmful that a hard working illegal immigrant with less that amazing pay.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
fucking slimey spic lover
danksmoooka 4 years ago
Hello there bigot!
Now if only you guys got an education and started helping America, I would love you just as much.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
If you think this video is "inspiring" you must thrive on chaos!
dbart27 4 years ago
And it's more than obvious you thrive off of overexaggerations.
There's nothing chaotic about the marches. It's moving to see large crowds opposing a dreadful administration and an ignorance that is widespread in this country.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
The only ignorance is you own. Law breaking drug smuggling, fence hoppying, taco eating, lettuce picking YAHOOS!! Deport this vermin SCUM NOW!
chicaqopoetry 4 years ago
Ignorance is the PERFECT word to sum up your responce. Drug smuggling is yet another issue that right wing media usually emphasizes on to belittle the millions of hardworking immigrants that are simply here for opportunity. Fence hopping, of course, how else would they come to the US after being rejected from America's laughable immigration system.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
Taco eating! Mmmmm sounds delicious. I'm pretty certain you and the rest of America can be considered "taco eaters" being that some of America's largest food chains depend on Spanish cuisine.
Lettuce picking yahoo! I guess it's sensible to place that label on them. They are after all doing jobs that lazy ass Americans like you would snub and would much rather be unemployed, living off the government.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
You can't expect a half-wit, who uses labels like "taco-eater" and "lettuce-picker" to assist their side of an arguement, to actually have the brainpower to advance in life.
The only 'vermin scum' in this country are people like you,chicagopoetry. The people who would much rather ramble on with narrow minded, bigotted bias than to actually do research and have an intellectual debate. It's intolerance like you who truely hurt this beautiful country. You should be ashamed.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
CONT'D
7.They are not entitled to any gov't assistances
8.They can come, but only if they invest an amount equal to 40,000 times the minimum wage.
9.They cant buy waterfront property
10.They cannot take part in public protesting, carrying flags, or bad-mouthing the President
11.foreigners must be respectful or leave the country!
How sucky are THOSE laws right? Well, these are actual laws of MEXICO.
dbart27 4 years ago
Point being? The discussion is on America. You're proof only helps my arguement that illegal have some justification for crossing the border.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
I think that's quite enough for today. I wipe my hands of your ignorance.
Anyone else like to comment? Hopefully someone who is educated.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
Oh, gizmonic65...I must add. You're "No Spanish publication 20 years ago" was too hilarious to ignore. So I'm about to prove you wrong. Here's a little bit of history sharing that even in 1849, Spanish speakers were fighting against anti-bilingual morons like you.
Spanish speakers in California experienced an entirely different fate. This conquered group, representing a slight majority of the population at the end of the Mexican--American War,
Jawnzon 4 years ago
continued...
was initially treated with respect by Anglo elites, who had often intermarried with the local population and learned its vernacular. The 1849 constitution recognized Spanish language rights, including a guarantee for the bilingual publication of state laws. By the following year, however, the Californios' political status plummeted as the Gold Rush made them a minority of about 15 percent.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
Experienced Spanish-speaking miners, especially from Mexico and Peru, became targets for the animosity of fortune-seeking gringos. The state legislature began to pass so-called 'greaser laws,' along with a Foreign Miner's tax, to harass the Latin Americans. In 1855, the state officially discontinued Spanish-language schooling (Leibowitz, 1969), although some localities ignored the decree.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
continued...
Perhaps most damaging, the federal California Land Act of 1851 required all landowners to prove title to their holdings in English-language courts. Over the next generation, the Spanish-speaking gentry lost title to virtually all of the large haciendas, totaling 14 million acres, that they had held at the end of the Mexican--American War; 40 percent of these lands had to be sold simply to pay the fees of English-speaking lawyers (Pitt, 1966).
Jawnzon 4 years ago
It is unfortunate that america doesnt have a reasonable citizenship process, but living in this country illegally is well, illegal.America should work on making immigrating to this counrty legally easier,but for the time being illegal immigrants need to be deported back to their own country. Its the alw,unfortunantly.
spikeyguy777 4 years ago
They shouldn't pay for America's mistakes. It is illegal. But not all laws are just. They are grouped with criminals of all kinds just for wanting better opportunities in America.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
It is not hard to become a citizen if you come here LEGALLY. I know someone who just went through the process. Breaking the law is exactly that. Yes, our system is screwed. But it MUST be fixed and this group, no matter WHERE they are from MUST BE DEPORTED. It is THAT simple. Break the law, do the time.
gizmonic65 4 years ago
That isn't a 'just' or comprehensive way to go on about it. Especially since 90 percent of illegal immigration is due to our broken system. Numerous immigrants have waited up to 2 decades for citizenship only to be denied. President Bush has a very sensible route for these immigrants.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
DEPORT THIS VERMIN!
gizmonic65 4 years ago
Please explain why. I see these kind of posts all the time and they are never backed with any statistics to help their argument on deportation for these hard workers.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
WHAT? They have broken our laws. They collect food stamps, social security and MANY other services without contributing to ANY of it. The REFUSE to learn the language. I know a friend who just lost a painting job a bunch of VERMIN. DEPORT THIS GARBAGE NOW!
gizmonic65 4 years ago
Broken the laws? Let's examine that. If America didn't have a broken immigration system these immigrants wouldn't have to sneak in to work. It's sad coming from a country that was built by immigrants. Illegal aliens do infact pay taxes and use less than 1% of healthcare.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
And they've contributed more than enough. an estimated 29 billion a year. And that number is rising. What evidence do you have that they refuse to learn English? Nothing. Studies have showed that most immigrants have knowledge of at least the basics of English. And your friend probably lost the job because an illegal immigrant does more work, faster, better, and with less pay than he/she. That's how it usually is.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
It all goes back to Mexico. I have loads of evidence. Just ask anyone in the medical field. They get mad when you dont know Spanish.
gizmonic65 4 years ago
It all goes back to Mexico. I have loads of evidence. Just ask anyone in the medical field. They get mad when you dont know Spanish. My friend lost the job because he was undercut in price. Typical open border liberal reply. Educate yourself. They are destroying our country as we know it.
gizmonic65 4 years ago
You don't have 'loads' of evidence. Clearly it more 'loads of bull'. Statistically, you're very wrong.
And as far as immigrants upset of non-Spanish speakers. Again this is simply heresay. If you 'ask anyone in the medical field' you would come to find that most hospitals have a staff of Spanish speakers. In medical school is it encouraged to learn Spanish and French prior to externships. But I'm so sure you were aware of that.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
Take your statistics and go preach to someone else. I see this crap everyday. Try the real world dude. Great, we have to learn THEIR language to assist them. DEPORT THESE VERMIN NOW!
gizmonic65 4 years ago
Yes, because morons like yourself fail to grasp the truth and all the honest information out there due to personal, biased opinions. It's time to YOU are introduced into the real world....and FACTS to the real issues.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
No, you are spewing LIES. But it is ok to break the law in your mind. Go ahead, destroy all that what makes this country great. As for moron, why I am bothering talking to one like you is beyond me. But you started the name calling, so who is the one who cant grasp reality? Pro law breaker, that's you ya jerk.
gizmonic65 4 years ago
I have yet to give any sort of inaccurate information. YOU are dispersing lies and biased opinions. And the only statistic you provided was easily shot down.
American citizen destroy this country enough. Since you love to emphasize on illegal criminal activity, why don't you see the high percentage of AMERICAN crime.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
One more thing NIMROD. Lets go back to basics. In this country we have LAWS. Not like Mexico which treats their illegals like dog shit. Or PROMOTES breaking our laws by encouraging illegal activity, such as drug, people and gun running. These laws are being broken, no only by a majority of mexicans, but from losers all over the world. Once we give up on that law, whats next dope? Bringing back slavery? Ok to rape women? Murder?
gizmonic65 4 years ago
How does Mexico encourage drug activity when 98% of the buyers are AMERICANS. Once again, you ignorant opposers love to throw the same old "breaking laws" phrase like no tomorrow. Like I've said numerous times....they wouldn't be breaking laws if AMERICA HAD A WORKING IMMIGRATION SYSTEM.
You are like the majority of idiots who emphasize on the negatives of illegal immigration. When criminal activity in the immigrant community is dismal.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
REMEMBER there is 20 MILLION IMMIGRANTS living in America. By opposing there existance in this country because of the small percentage of illegal criminals only makes it unfair to those (The dramatic majority) who are here soley for work.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
That's the problem. They are here to get money. Working illegally and hurting our economy. Go fix Mexico, we don't need more illegals. Hell we don't need legal immigrants who don't want to be citizens and most DO NOT WANT citizenship, they want money.
WE ARE NOT FOR SALE!!
ddd46219 4 years ago
Hurting the economy? The economy is doing amazingly well. So I don't see how the economy has suffered with the billions immigrants make both big and small businesses.
If we aren't for sale, then why do a large number of Americans who are unemployed live off the government?
Jawnzon 4 years ago
BALONY. There are only 2 ways to come here, legally and ILEGALLY. They are bringing in drugs. We have American citizens getting raped, robbed and murdered by this ass holes. I am sick of it. Deport this GARBAGE NOW!
gizmonic65 4 years ago
Wait, use les than 1% of our healthcare? That is because MOST hopitals AND medical groups WRITE off the cost of care. They come here, stealing our social security numbers and can get FREE health care at ANY hospital because by LAW they cannot refuse someone who is sick. Who pays for this? WE DO. the tax payer. Yes, we have a broken system that needs to be fixed. NOW. They DONT pay taxes if they are paid in CASH!
gizmonic65 4 years ago
You seem lost and uninformed. I feel I should educate you.
A Rand Corp. study finds that the amount of federal, state and local tax money spent providing healthcare for illegal immigrants in the United States is small.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
The total public spending on healthcare for undocumented aliens between the ages of 18 and 64 comes to $1.1 billion,
Jawnzon 4 years ago
or about $11 in taxes per U.S. household. Total government spending on healthcare for all adults in the same age group comes to $88 billion.
Researchers say that illegal immigrants tend to be healthier than the general population. Their estimates were based on a survey of households in Los Angeles that found large percentages of illegal immigrants had never visited a doctor or had a checkup.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
James Smith, an expert in labor market and demographic studies and one of the authors of the report, said that debate on the influx of undocumented aliens is looking at the wrong issues.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
Where are you getting this crap? Please, dont waste your time on preaching lies to me. We have a sub culture that refuses to speak english, thanks to the government and businesses that encourge it. Go to any store, one side printed in English, the other in spanish. Call any business/bank, etc. Press 1 for ENGLISH???
gizmonic65 4 years ago
I am getting this information from federal organizations and studies from elite economist. THAT'S the ACCURATE information the nation need to see.
You have zero proof that these people refuse to learn English. I am half Mexican myself and I have never heard of any immigrant who had that kind of ideology....that's they don't need to learn English. As I stated before, a dramatic majority of immigrants know the basics of English. What did you not grasp from that the first time?
Jawnzon 4 years ago
And on a side note....what in world does Spanish publication have to do with illegal immigration? There ARE hispanic Americans living in America. Not to mention hispanics are the largest minority of the nation. Spanish publication of all businesses has been in this country for centuries, my uninformed friend. you are seriously making a fool out of yourself with your lack of knowledge.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
No, you are the fool. Go into ANY store and read the labels ass hole. 20 years ago, it was ALL in English. Now half is in spanish. Companies and our government are making it easer for LAW BREAKERS to come here an not join the Great AMERICAN fabric like so many have done before. You sir are as educated as a an liberal, simply DUMB.
gizmonic65 4 years ago
You mean to tell me that there were NO Spanish publications before 1987? YOU ARE WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS. Since you want to be percieved as someone who even knows a tinge of what they're saying....feel free to give evidence that agrees with your claim? TRUST ME....you won't find any. Your dead wrong. It's hilarious now.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
Here is a statistic for you dope. The U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has only 18 fugitive operations squads charged with hunting down 80,000 criminal aliens and more than 320,000 foreign nationals who were ordered deported but disappeared.
Source: The Washington Times 7/21/2004
SMOKE THAT JERK!
gizmonic65 4 years ago
And what does this imformation prove? Especially since I already stated that the Federal Organization for Immigration Reform has charged 500 thousand immigrants with crimes. A majority being minor charges for minute crimes.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
NO it is NOT. The info your are getting is SLANTED to make us believe that illegal immigration is working. The current government is all for this crap. I have more then enough REAL life. I dont need any BS from some website to see whats really going on. I am ALL American, that is how it works when you are BORN here or come here LEGALLY and get naturalized. It is called a MELTING POT!
gizmonic65 4 years ago
Slanted. No. And prove me otherwise.
I was born here as well. I'm American. My Mexican mother is American. I see this everyday and I do my research and get educated.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
If anything is slanted, it's you biased opposition to something you have no idea about. You haven't done your research, you don't look at ALL statistics, and you don't embody what it is to be an AMERICAN. You are just a right wing, over possessive moron who has little to no knowledge of our country's history and oour present day surroundings. Wake up and smell the coffee.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
No my friend, you are lost and uninformed. Breaking the law is what it is. I dont care about studies or whatever other lies the government wants to spew. DEPORT THESE VERMIN NOW!
gizmonic65 4 years ago
Once again, you half-wit! These unjust laws wouldn't be broken if the immigration system in a country of immigrants weren't a complete mockery.
Jawnzon 4 years ago
Ahh, now I see. Again, typical, when someone disagrees, you resort to name calling. Ok, I can go there to jerk. I have serveral jobs that have exposed me to many folks from all walks of life. I am MARRIED to a so called minority. I have DATED more women from different races, WHY? Because of WHO they were, not WHAT they were. Open your eyes moron.
gizmonic65 4 years ago
NO AMNESTY!KEEP DEPORTING!
iagrv8 5 years ago
Reason being? Share them.
Jawnzon 5 years ago
How hard is it to learn English, get a job, and oh yeah a citizenship!
sk8erboi92784 5 years ago
It is difficult to learn an entire language is such a short period. Most illegal immigrants have knowledge of the basics of English. But it's hilarious how any American can exprobate anyone on the English language when they usually botch it on a daily basis. And they do get jobs. That's why they come to America.
Jawnzon 5 years ago
The question should be....why can't lazy Americans get jobs? And citizenship is no walk in the park. It's takes years. Some immigrants have even waited two decades to gain citizenship only to be denied. Shows how weak America's immigration system is.
Jawnzon 5 years ago
the u.s.a. was founded by immigrants, most of the land was populated by native americans, natives that you`ve killed , the way i see it , you have stolen their land, so you have no rights on the land nor the people that would like to live there
cristiandario 5 years ago
"you people" is very racist and a steretype to boot...go back to school..you obviously need it and i wouldnt be taking advise from pro-Illegal advocates, most of them are very uneducated thats why afetr all their srgument doesnt have and validity to it..just like yours
Illegalsgo2hell 5 years ago
You clearly need some sort of schooling yourself. "You people" is OBVIOUSLY the subsitute for opposers of illegal immigration. I didn't know it was that's complex for you to understand. It's hilarious how you concocted some kind racial slur out of it.
Jawnzon 5 years ago
And I have so much education to boot. So spare me with the insults. If anything the 'validity' of one's pro-immigrant arguments is much more sensable than those who oppose it.
Jawnzon 5 years ago
wow I'll have to give you a gold star..your so dumb your actually funny..you crazy racist
Illegalsgo2hell 5 years ago
Hahaha. You have nothing to back your argument. It's too obvious. This is the norm. I wipe my hand of your ignorance.
Jawnzon 5 years ago
i back jawnzon on this argument/debate...
im ready to jump on any SOS minuteman debate ill tear you fools apart with stats, and good ol' history.
alexpg1 5 years ago
yeah grow up hater...string em up and give em a good hangin then toss their bodies back over the border..yeah theres some hate for you dumb fuck!!
Illegalsgo2hell 5 years ago
I'm sure that what you want. Race is the true issue here, not the safety of America. You racist in denial need to do some serious homework and have some kind of tolerance. It's like dealing with whiny children when it comes to your people.
Jawnzon 5 years ago
"your people"...yeah like thats not a racist thing to say..you fucking hypocrite
Illegalsgo2hell 5 years ago
It was a typo moron. "You people" is what I meant. Because we all know damn well "white" people are not on this same page with this issue. I've befriended wonderful pro-immigrant white people who put up a decent arguement for those who seem to have thrown statistics out the window when it's there turn to discuss their side of the issue.
Jawnzon 5 years ago
Sadly it's the same recycled "They aren't American citizens", "They're commiting crimes", "They leech off the goverment (which is so beyond the truth by the way)". If you chose to look from a stat friendly point of view, you would discover how silly those arguments are.
Jawnzon 5 years ago
whatever man your the only racist I see..guess your in denial ..thats why your all back ass backwards
Illegalsgo2hell 5 years ago