This is all sorts of wrong and made me facepalm. Cover True, 3 to have a competitive list? wwwrrrrrrroooonnnnngggg. So wrong it hurts. Predator with TL LC at 10 points cheaper can out range it easy. Long story short, 2 Vinds can work. 3 over specialized.
@CommanderMJ Allso another thing to point out Hunter killer missles can kinda ignore some of the cover save and Take out Vindicators, A Thunderfire would still have the Tech marine which can prove useful in its own right (Taken out Nid Carnavex with one Go go Power Pack! with 2 Power Fists!) Among other things. Vindicators have Less Survivibility then stated hear. Its nice if the other guy ignores such things or the Vindicator itself. or hes just messing around.
@commanderMJ I beleve the person who GOT the destroyed weapon result (Aka if you have the Vidicator and I got the destroyed weapon remark I GET to pick what weapon is destroyed not you. Thus AKA I pick the main gun. Your Main Vidicator demolisher cannon is dead now you still have the storm bolter but w/e.
@commanderMJ No Problem. Personaly I think this guy suggesting 3 Vindicators is ... dumb. Pretty short range. You can have a other nice units out there. Heck thunderfire cannon is 100 points gives +1 cover save and provides alot of nice bonus (Scouts with camo cloaks can get 2+ cover save) So try the 3 Vindicator. Tacticly yes you play anything smartly. But Vindicators when i play get poped no matter what and tend to die pretty fast vs me (I dont phear em at all honestly)
@commanderMJ Agreed Rather have a thunderfire cannon (100 points) and some other things then a Vindicator. There short range. Beefy true but. Thunderfire cannon can beat up infantry longer range have more use for the team (+1 Cover save for all in X With a scout squad It can be used very well) the Vindicator has a nice template but its short range / Bounced/ can miss the Target. Lascannon Predator tank or Land Raidor or something is more useful Anti Tank/Support (Transport and such)
@ThakoManic that is completely true I would personally use a whirlwind over a vidicator or even spend the points on another tactical squad to grab those vital objectives.
@commanderMJ Agree A Wirlewind with its Long distance fireing can hide and contiue to shoot with a Vindicator your kinda sitting at one spot hoping to not be shot at or get close enough. I wouldnt mind spamming Vindicators in Apocolypse enough can survive to get to the enemy to do alot of damage. but in a normal game? Eh. I Like to split my combat squads into 5 with there Special rules on the SM if its an objectivemap. Then again I use Pedro which makes my sternguard scoring units.
@ThakoManic An excellent tactic Mr Pedro is has arguably got the best special rule of any spacemarine character as an army containing a large number of sterngaurd units that can easily take and hold objectives is most certainly a force to be reckond with.
@commanderMJ i tend to run with 2 Stern guard squads. (20 of em) which can combat tactics into 4, 5 man groups, Reguardless I tend to pick units that can do multible roles/support each other (Thunder fire works well and can support scouts or other units I want in hiding with cover save) So maybe 2 Vindicators + Thunderfire would be better then 3 Vincicators. But I rather skip the Vindicators thats just me tho.
@ThakoManic Personally I agree with skipping vidicators I have never personally used them but seeing how bad 6 or so of them performed in an apocalypse game has put me right off them.
@commanderMJ Hehe Ya Sometimes in Apocalypse whatever you use just gets slamed on. A Warlord titan or something can just go "Target sighted" and blast em out of the sky. Personaly I like the transport Baneblades with 40 Transport slots and 20 Fireslots? with powerful lascannons/vulcane gun? Ya love it. Can fill them with devestators or some heavy weapon teams and such.
@ThakoManic That is a really good tactical point and I thankyou for that as I am about to maek an Ultramar PDF To acompany my ultramarines so that tactic could prove very handy. Thankyou
@commanderMJ Ah And your personal Fav? I Tend to like 1750/2500 Lareg but no Apoc. Had to many downfalls in Apoc personaly (Like me blowing up a ork player on turn 1 before he even got to go. made me think wtf was the point?)
I got a question on a tactic ive been comeing up with since i play blood angels my vindicators are fast vehicles so would it be smart in kill point missons to drive my vindactors up the board so they have to chose to shoot at my assault marines i deepstrike or my advanceing vindictors what do you think? My assault marines are very good at destorying any vehicles with there melta guns the turn the deep strike meaning they would have to shoot ethier assault marines or my vindicator with infantry
Is this video Pre-5th edition? None of this is making much sense to me. So when your opponent moves up to the objective, 3 or 6 inches away to either side, your Vin is useless because LoS is blocked by the rock formation...That is to say, if you even get that table edge to deploy on. You might not even get to pick your starting zone. If your opponent is packing enough "heavy resources" to reliably nuke an AV13 vehicle first turn, you need to find someone new to play.
Its a good thing for me when i play a game with my Vindicator ( thats under the tree right now!!!) my friends wont know what 2 do because its pretty much their first game, so they wont think to blow it up right away
Thanks loads for these video's on tactics. They've helped me no end to improving my tactics with my Space Marines. Been trying to learn how to use my vindicator properly for years xD
should i run my deathwing army with a vindicator or predator cus the other two slots are a land raider and land raider crusader or even a dev squad or whirlwind, what should i get?
should i run my deathwing army with a vindicator or predator cus the other two slots are a land raider and land raider crusader or even a dev squad, what should i get?
Running 3 Vindicators is how i just built my new Black templar list. The reason is i can take 2 Land raider crusaders as troop transports:) Run Straight down the table with 3 Vins hiding behind Blessed hull 14 armor land raiders. The reason i am doing this is from Imperial guard being so over powered. Russ armor 14 front 13 side most shoot large blast templates St 8 Ap 2 ALL over 60" RANGE!! SM armor save is useless. Also the D3 Large blast templates Missile tank they have. Horrible!
You can have 3 Vindicators and a Land Raider if you want. The Land Raider just needs to be counted as dectated transport. And if you want to have eve more firepower. Just add 3 Land Speeders (eiter Typhoon or double Melta or anything) and you are all ready. Please respond if I am wrong.
what do you do if your opponent comes with three vindicators and a tactical squad do you bring another tank or try to destroy it with the one that is currently attacked
3 vindicators? Dude...no. *shakes head* 1 of them, sure, they're nice...but a predator can lose 2 guns and still be useful, this thing can only use 1. Say I get a weapon destroyed on all three, that's it. 375 points down the drain.
@Spjungen thats not always true... My BT 1750 point list has 3 vindicators and when they get weapon destroyed they turn into mobile battering rams. in other words, they roam the table tank shocking anything they can get at.
@Chaoskiller34 A predator can do the same, only it has three guns instead of one. Personally, I just think the vindicator's too much of a high-risk, high-reward vehicle. Sure, that demolisher cannon is nice, but it's only 24'', and you won't always be able to find such ideal cover to hide it in. I would much rather have a Russ, with range 72'', a gun that's just as capable against pretty much all infantry, AND three other guns, and of course it's still a battering ram.
absolutely brilliant advice, just so happens i wrote a new list comprising three WINdicators and i was looking to "borrow" some tactics, great help thanks. Subscribed.
Nice Tactics, I really should invest in one. I think another tactic you could use is have a techmarine follow it around to fix if it's weapon is destroyed or unimmobilise them in case of an emergency evacuation. I think you could work with 1 if you wanted to. also, is that a converted vindicator or an older one.
i do believe that u can not fire an ordance wepon if you moved that turn. so hiding then jumping out and shooting in one turn is not possible. unless ive greatly misread the rules
@soruze That all depends on what army you are playing, even chapters. For example, the Black templar can add power of the machine spirt to a vindicator. and so it can move up to 6 inches and still fire.
thats such crap....just absolute crap...black templars, now tell me, how is it that THIS chapter ALONE has access to machine spirits more than other chapters? everyone knows the Ultramarines have the most access to the best equipment in the imperium. Such crap.
@karlscooter1 they get the fluff of the weapondry but when its weapons not as much vehicles rly the salamanders get the well crafted cause they lack recruits and some skill but they got the craft
@sam199166 Ordance weapons can be fired even if you move 6 inches cause they are just another weapon. IF you fire them as Ordinance Barrage, Then you can't move before shooting. Barrage can also be fired without line of sight i believe. Space marine Power of machine spirit fires an additional weapon at BS 4, BT only BS 2
I've never seen a 3 Vindicator list. You could still get Land Raiders in the list by putting terminators in them and making them dedicated elite transports. Still, I think the Vindicator is an overrated tank. Too many weaknesses. Gets exploded in assault. Only 24" range. You're right to plant it on an objective though. Keep a techmarine handy to repair any weapon destroyed results.
I usually play my vindicator as a kimd of troop support. If my opponent has large squads, chances are they are going to be grouped pretty tightly. I just pull my vindicator onto the table with a tactical squad or something. That large blast template will take out the bulk of the squad. Its also useful on swarm armys. Many a time i've used this method to wipe out entire squads like genestealers
But if youre enemy has to choose between my vindi and my dreadnougt, he always is gonna be shot at by a heavy weapon. Just have something that distracts fire (even if its the vindi itself: youre other heavy's will fire without being fired at (LotR SBG trolls :O) ). And if something is more threatning than a vindi (Terminators closing in) it will fire that demolisher! +Imperial Fists are natural siegers so the Vindicators fit me perfectly (and oh, their awesome). Still, good, usefull tactics!
Can I add two vindicators and a predator to my list? Just incase my two vindicators get fucked and my pred gets a weapon destroyed? I'll be able to use those lascannons.
i think predators is a good idea, especially if they are annhilator pattern. its cheaper than a devastator squad, and more accurate. the only downside is that a single melta can take it down with one shot, if you are unluckey.
could you give us some predator stategies. ive been planning to add two vindicators and i want to fill the last slot with a predator. would this be a good setup?
hey i play blood angels and only recently started. i got a vindicator (only 1) and dont know whether i should use it all the time but i dont really play tournaments i mainly play fun games What do u think?
Unless otherwise stated, like the Valkyrie's Hellstrike Missiles, it's a krak missile that you roll 2D6 and pick the highest. It's also one shot. It fucking sucks, you can just take a Vendetta.
Erm no I actually I didn't find out that Vulkan was a Space Marine Primarch till about a year after I THOUGHT I came up with the name.. ^_^ I'm actually a ..well more like WAS a blood angels player.. It's been about a year going on 2 since I played
I was expecting a Vindicator to have front armour 14, its meant to be the extreme siege weapon and it only has armour 13, even if it has the 3 feet thick amn dozer blade in it.
notice that this vindicator has a the bullldozer blades from the leman russ kit and has the gun from the original vindicator model. Which suggest this particular model was built before the new kit came out but after the new rhino was released since it has the new rhino chassi
Im assembling my first vindicator ( and vehicle ) now ( bought it cause of this video) and im having a assembling problem. That armor that you have to glue on the side doesnt seem to fit. How have you guys solved that or am i the only 1 that had that problem?
I was thinking of what to field for my last slot. You just filled it...I may take a second, but I think having a MotF repairing it with a 50% chance may make it work. I'll have to try it out and see...
Land Raiders are just as destructive and valuable, screening your Vindicator with a valuable Land Raider is stupid, if youre gonna screen with other vechiles, use rhinos, they ar eonly 50 points each, and teh same size, using 250 points worth of Tank is really stupid.
one thing i advise for 3 of them is purchase a techmarine with servitors. if you spread them out they can get all vindicators, and on a 2+ u can fix the wep destroyed or immobilized result and act as normal that turn.
ye the vindicator does. according too the space marine codex it does. alot of people think as you do but if you look on page 144 or the summary sheet you will see at the bottom it is a barrage weapon. it will not say it in the vindicator rules but it does in the summary. i play vindicators and i have to point this out to basically every player i face. not sure what it was in old code but it is a barrage in the new codex, not sure why friz missed that out...
I agree, i havnt seen Vindicators with barrage before, arent Barrage weapons meant to be Artillery/indirect fire weapons, i dont think a Vindicator shoots shells in an arc.
Well.. i only take 1 and i haven't lost yet.... the key is keep it in reserves and bring it when you can... bring it closest to your enemy as you can... first of it can come on and shoot. AND secondly it draws fire so if you have to move infantry thru tank heavy areas then they will shoot the vin rather than the infantry.
Is that one of the old vindicators? Before the one with the huge shovel. btw thats a cool wee chaos podium thingy.
Boring tactic, heres a more fun one, surround your vindicator with 2 empty rhinos, rush them forward at top speed positioning the rhinos between heavy weapons and the vindicator and deploy smoke, take deamonic possesion if ur chaos. Then have fun the next turn :D
I hate to go against you Fritz. ( Because you are an ELDAR GOD) ( and a 40k legend) But no matter how many Vindicators you have on the field, they aren't a threat.
They are 1 HUGE flaw, there 24 inch range. Even if your enemy comes to you they are going to come prepared.
I play one with my wolves wins 13 draws 4 losses 6, i just keep it in reserve then bring it in. Oponents normally too scared of blood claws to notice it :P
for annihilation i was thinking all in reserves then bring everything out on turn 5 and blow the $h!t out of everything with those tanks... good idea? (i dont watch many of your tactic videos.... did you come up with this??)
great tactics. kinda similar to the devastator tactics (placing objectives in front of them). but you didn't explained why I need 3 of them. seems to work well with 1.
also the ordinance is very auqued but you can get one of in the first turn you kill more than if it suvives as they need a wie range of close opponients cool tactics tho
Great Advice i can apply this to my Imperial Guard LR Demolisher as well, same stats and weapon with an extra kick too it for having hull mounted and sponson weapons
I wish the land raider ares was playable in normal games. :C
WilhelmScreamer 2 days ago
This is all sorts of wrong and made me facepalm. Cover True, 3 to have a competitive list? wwwrrrrrrroooonnnnngggg. So wrong it hurts. Predator with TL LC at 10 points cheaper can out range it easy. Long story short, 2 Vinds can work. 3 over specialized.
TwitchUriahable 4 weeks ago
Key to space marines=Rhinos and combat squads
AlamAbaAb 1 month ago
You can minis so AWESOMELY,make painting tutorial vids.Please
supermaksas 2 months ago
vindicators need the lumbering rule (if it still exists)
scionofsanguinius 4 months ago
no land raiders, thats why we play blood angels
scionofsanguinius 4 months ago
@scionofsanguinius we space marines can take them as dedicated transports for terminator squads only
dylankadlub 2 months ago
@dylankadlub 6 land raiders vs 12 land raiders what would win i think i will go with the twelve
scionofsanguinius 1 month ago
You should have mentioned that from a penetrating hit, 5 of the 6 options puts the tank out of action for at least 1 turn :-P
Angelsdownfall 5 months ago
@CommanderMJ Allso another thing to point out Hunter killer missles can kinda ignore some of the cover save and Take out Vindicators, A Thunderfire would still have the Tech marine which can prove useful in its own right (Taken out Nid Carnavex with one Go go Power Pack! with 2 Power Fists!) Among other things. Vindicators have Less Survivibility then stated hear. Its nice if the other guy ignores such things or the Vindicator itself. or hes just messing around.
ThakoManic 5 months ago
If you take a strom bolter on a vidicator then can't that just take the weapon destroyed result????
commanderMJ 6 months ago
@commanderMJ I beleve the person who GOT the destroyed weapon result (Aka if you have the Vidicator and I got the destroyed weapon remark I GET to pick what weapon is destroyed not you. Thus AKA I pick the main gun. Your Main Vidicator demolisher cannon is dead now you still have the storm bolter but w/e.
ThakoManic 5 months ago
@ThakoManic Ahh thankyou very much for clearing that up =D
commanderMJ 5 months ago
@commanderMJ No Problem. Personaly I think this guy suggesting 3 Vindicators is ... dumb. Pretty short range. You can have a other nice units out there. Heck thunderfire cannon is 100 points gives +1 cover save and provides alot of nice bonus (Scouts with camo cloaks can get 2+ cover save) So try the 3 Vindicator. Tacticly yes you play anything smartly. But Vindicators when i play get poped no matter what and tend to die pretty fast vs me (I dont phear em at all honestly)
ThakoManic 5 months ago
@ThakoManic an excellent point that you make there thunderfires are indeed a lot better value for pointswith a greater range that they can fire.
commanderMJ 5 months ago
@commanderMJ Agreed Rather have a thunderfire cannon (100 points) and some other things then a Vindicator. There short range. Beefy true but. Thunderfire cannon can beat up infantry longer range have more use for the team (+1 Cover save for all in X With a scout squad It can be used very well) the Vindicator has a nice template but its short range / Bounced/ can miss the Target. Lascannon Predator tank or Land Raidor or something is more useful Anti Tank/Support (Transport and such)
ThakoManic 5 months ago
@ThakoManic that is completely true I would personally use a whirlwind over a vidicator or even spend the points on another tactical squad to grab those vital objectives.
commanderMJ 5 months ago
@commanderMJ Agree A Wirlewind with its Long distance fireing can hide and contiue to shoot with a Vindicator your kinda sitting at one spot hoping to not be shot at or get close enough. I wouldnt mind spamming Vindicators in Apocolypse enough can survive to get to the enemy to do alot of damage. but in a normal game? Eh. I Like to split my combat squads into 5 with there Special rules on the SM if its an objectivemap. Then again I use Pedro which makes my sternguard scoring units.
ThakoManic 5 months ago
@ThakoManic An excellent tactic Mr Pedro is has arguably got the best special rule of any spacemarine character as an army containing a large number of sterngaurd units that can easily take and hold objectives is most certainly a force to be reckond with.
commanderMJ 5 months ago
@commanderMJ i tend to run with 2 Stern guard squads. (20 of em) which can combat tactics into 4, 5 man groups, Reguardless I tend to pick units that can do multible roles/support each other (Thunder fire works well and can support scouts or other units I want in hiding with cover save) So maybe 2 Vindicators + Thunderfire would be better then 3 Vincicators. But I rather skip the Vindicators thats just me tho.
ThakoManic 5 months ago
@ThakoManic Personally I agree with skipping vidicators I have never personally used them but seeing how bad 6 or so of them performed in an apocalypse game has put me right off them.
commanderMJ 5 months ago
@commanderMJ Hehe Ya Sometimes in Apocalypse whatever you use just gets slamed on. A Warlord titan or something can just go "Target sighted" and blast em out of the sky. Personaly I like the transport Baneblades with 40 Transport slots and 20 Fireslots? with powerful lascannons/vulcane gun? Ya love it. Can fill them with devestators or some heavy weapon teams and such.
ThakoManic 5 months ago
@ThakoManic That is a really good tactical point and I thankyou for that as I am about to maek an Ultramar PDF To acompany my ultramarines so that tactic could prove very handy. Thankyou
commanderMJ 5 months ago
@commanderMJ Question dude What type of games do you tend to play Apocolpyse? 2500 points? 1500 points?
ThakoManic 5 months ago
@ThakoManic It really does vary a lot I tend to play apoc, 500, 2500, 1500 or 1000 (sometimes 2000)
commanderMJ 5 months ago
@commanderMJ Ah And your personal Fav? I Tend to like 1750/2500 Lareg but no Apoc. Had to many downfalls in Apoc personaly (Like me blowing up a ork player on turn 1 before he even got to go. made me think wtf was the point?)
ThakoManic 5 months ago
@ThakoManic my fave game is probably 2500pts as there are still plenty of models on the borad with the slow pace of an apocalypse game.
commanderMJ 5 months ago
I got a question on a tactic ive been comeing up with since i play blood angels my vindicators are fast vehicles so would it be smart in kill point missons to drive my vindactors up the board so they have to chose to shoot at my assault marines i deepstrike or my advanceing vindictors what do you think? My assault marines are very good at destorying any vehicles with there melta guns the turn the deep strike meaning they would have to shoot ethier assault marines or my vindicator with infantry
iwonthegameWON 7 months ago
cool video but i prefer vindicator with missile launcher!!!
spacemarinemax 8 months ago
Great video!!!!
stupidcowboyz 9 months ago
to get vindicators as S-Marines use hunter killers >:D
HaloFan2531 9 months ago
Remember when the Imperial Guard could use those tanks? Of course, that was 20+ years ago....
BluTrilobite 10 months ago 2
Can you ram troops with vehicles? It would seem that badass dozer blade on the vindicator would excel at that!
TheUndert0ker 11 months ago
Is this video Pre-5th edition? None of this is making much sense to me. So when your opponent moves up to the objective, 3 or 6 inches away to either side, your Vin is useless because LoS is blocked by the rock formation...That is to say, if you even get that table edge to deploy on. You might not even get to pick your starting zone. If your opponent is packing enough "heavy resources" to reliably nuke an AV13 vehicle first turn, you need to find someone new to play.
TrustkillProductionz 11 months ago
is it a good plan to get 2 vidacaters and one deve squad 2 plas 2 lass? please help
eroin7 1 year ago
put the vindicator in a bunker and bolster defences -- 2+ cover save :D
3picpurpl3 1 year ago
When in doubt... take 3!
purplefood1 1 year ago
i use my single vindicator to draw the attention away from my land raider with terminators+sicarius, so pretty much as cannon feed....
i know that it's totally stupid, but it always works and i get the land raider across the field --> fun with the termies!
188Katana188 1 year ago
Its a good thing for me when i play a game with my Vindicator ( thats under the tree right now!!!) my friends wont know what 2 do because its pretty much their first game, so they wont think to blow it up right away
bannanaboy8 1 year ago
Thanks loads for these video's on tactics. They've helped me no end to improving my tactics with my Space Marines. Been trying to learn how to use my vindicator properly for years xD
jogs225 1 year ago
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should i run my deathwing army with a vindicator or predator cus the other two slots are a land raider and land raider crusader or even a dev squad or whirlwind, what should i get?
jamesravanal40 1 year ago
should i run my deathwing army with a vindicator or predator cus the other two slots are a land raider and land raider crusader or even a dev squad, what should i get?
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jackboom530 1 year ago
i Don haves dur monies for another vindi =C
suzukahikaru 1 year ago
I play blood angels, and if you employ land raiders as dedicated transports, then you can use 3 vindicators AND they get away as fast!!!!!
jackboom530 1 year ago
Running 3 Vindicators is how i just built my new Black templar list. The reason is i can take 2 Land raider crusaders as troop transports:) Run Straight down the table with 3 Vins hiding behind Blessed hull 14 armor land raiders. The reason i am doing this is from Imperial guard being so over powered. Russ armor 14 front 13 side most shoot large blast templates St 8 Ap 2 ALL over 60" RANGE!! SM armor save is useless. Also the D3 Large blast templates Missile tank they have. Horrible!
TheMonsterLego 1 year ago
3 vins shows you don't care about sportsmen ship... good job
theblessing8386 1 year ago
@theblessing8386 you sound like you got your ass handed to you a lot in 40k by space marines lol
nuclearthreat545 1 year ago
@nuclearthreat545
You're right... they beat me all the time. I can beat BA's no prob, it's the ultra marines that hurt me so bad!
theblessing8386 1 month ago
@theblessing8386 ok, be a sportsman and lose forever, ill kick your ass with 3 vindicators. Lemme guess, your chaos using defilers......
ElderLyonsHighEldar 1 year ago
@ElderLyonsHighEldar
I play tau
theblessing8386 1 month ago
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GREAT video helps me so much at games workshop :)
mentalbikers1976 1 year ago
GREAT video helps me so much at games workshop :)
mentalbikers1976 1 year ago
You can have 3 Vindicators and a Land Raider if you want. The Land Raider just needs to be counted as dectated transport. And if you want to have eve more firepower. Just add 3 Land Speeders (eiter Typhoon or double Melta or anything) and you are all ready. Please respond if I am wrong.
bonfire300shadow 1 year ago
so baseicly camping?
ventrillo1 1 year ago
what do you do if your opponent comes with three vindicators and a tactical squad do you bring another tank or try to destroy it with the one that is currently attacked
40kfreak123 1 year ago
I like vindicators but I don't know if I should get a vindicator or a preadeator
40kfreak123 1 year ago
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thumbs up if you are straight
spartanxxzzx2 1 year ago
for what size army is 3 of em
cos 3 is like 360 pts
kevraets 1 year ago
Demolisher cannon is Ordinance 1, Can you hide vindicator behind another tank and shoot over it at the enemy?
hitman287 1 year ago
3 vindicators? Dude...no. *shakes head* 1 of them, sure, they're nice...but a predator can lose 2 guns and still be useful, this thing can only use 1. Say I get a weapon destroyed on all three, that's it. 375 points down the drain.
Spjungen 1 year ago
@Spjungen thats not always true... My BT 1750 point list has 3 vindicators and when they get weapon destroyed they turn into mobile battering rams. in other words, they roam the table tank shocking anything they can get at.
Chaoskiller34 1 year ago
@Chaoskiller34 A predator can do the same, only it has three guns instead of one. Personally, I just think the vindicator's too much of a high-risk, high-reward vehicle. Sure, that demolisher cannon is nice, but it's only 24'', and you won't always be able to find such ideal cover to hide it in. I would much rather have a Russ, with range 72'', a gun that's just as capable against pretty much all infantry, AND three other guns, and of course it's still a battering ram.
Spjungen 1 year ago
I totally agree, Vindicators FTW! They're my favorite battle tank by far. Sucks that I don't have one yet...........
RepublicCustoms 1 year ago
absolutely brilliant advice, just so happens i wrote a new list comprising three WINdicators and i was looking to "borrow" some tactics, great help thanks. Subscribed.
thomas4319 1 year ago
can the vindicator move and shoot??
urashima42 1 year ago
Nice Tactics, I really should invest in one. I think another tactic you could use is have a techmarine follow it around to fix if it's weapon is destroyed or unimmobilise them in case of an emergency evacuation. I think you could work with 1 if you wanted to. also, is that a converted vindicator or an older one.
quilavamaster 1 year ago
i do believe that u can not fire an ordance wepon if you moved that turn. so hiding then jumping out and shooting in one turn is not possible. unless ive greatly misread the rules
soruze 1 year ago
@soruze That all depends on what army you are playing, even chapters. For example, the Black templar can add power of the machine spirt to a vindicator. and so it can move up to 6 inches and still fire.
sam199166 1 year ago
@sam199166
thats such crap....just absolute crap...black templars, now tell me, how is it that THIS chapter ALONE has access to machine spirits more than other chapters? everyone knows the Ultramarines have the most access to the best equipment in the imperium. Such crap.
karlscooter1 1 year ago
@karlscooter1 they get the fluff of the weapondry but when its weapons not as much vehicles rly the salamanders get the well crafted cause they lack recruits and some skill but they got the craft
boredomdisease 1 year ago
@sam199166 Ordance weapons can be fired even if you move 6 inches cause they are just another weapon. IF you fire them as Ordinance Barrage, Then you can't move before shooting. Barrage can also be fired without line of sight i believe. Space marine Power of machine spirit fires an additional weapon at BS 4, BT only BS 2
TheMonsterLego 1 year ago
There's a lovely mention of Vindicators also in the Chaos Space Marine Codex.
KaralynAD 1 year ago
ah!
starchubs 1 year ago
I'm a warhammer noob but can't you just take 1 and protect it with 2 regular tanks?
cliffthelightning 1 year ago
@cliffthelightning what would be the point? the points like 120 pts rhinos cheapest.
just dive into cover or get smoke launchers
Heerodude 1 year ago
I've never seen a 3 Vindicator list. You could still get Land Raiders in the list by putting terminators in them and making them dedicated elite transports. Still, I think the Vindicator is an overrated tank. Too many weaknesses. Gets exploded in assault. Only 24" range. You're right to plant it on an objective though. Keep a techmarine handy to repair any weapon destroyed results.
JeremiahLiend 1 year ago
full scout speeder or DS assult marines would be a nice counter :)
ExillDan 1 year ago
this is so useful!!!! Thanks so much!!!!
Diesel2738 1 year ago
OMG your tactics are so helpful!
supergauntxx 2 years ago
i like crusaders (black templars)
starchubs 2 years ago
i play vindicators as a sweeper sort of unit, i move my preds up taking out all anti tank units then move in for the kill with vindicaors
kinging264 2 years ago
I usually play my vindicator as a kimd of troop support. If my opponent has large squads, chances are they are going to be grouped pretty tightly. I just pull my vindicator onto the table with a tactical squad or something. That large blast template will take out the bulk of the squad. Its also useful on swarm armys. Many a time i've used this method to wipe out entire squads like genestealers
felixonthemac 2 years ago
But if youre enemy has to choose between my vindi and my dreadnougt, he always is gonna be shot at by a heavy weapon. Just have something that distracts fire (even if its the vindi itself: youre other heavy's will fire without being fired at (LotR SBG trolls :O) ). And if something is more threatning than a vindi (Terminators closing in) it will fire that demolisher! +Imperial Fists are natural siegers so the Vindicators fit me perfectly (and oh, their awesome). Still, good, usefull tactics!
1hermans1 2 years ago
Can I add two vindicators and a predator to my list? Just incase my two vindicators get fucked and my pred gets a weapon destroyed? I'll be able to use those lascannons.
CommanderChet 2 years ago
i think predators is a good idea, especially if they are annhilator pattern. its cheaper than a devastator squad, and more accurate. the only downside is that a single melta can take it down with one shot, if you are unluckey.
Khorneberzerker1000 2 years ago
try putting a splatter of blood red on the bottom of the seige sled on the front, looks well good
EagleArk 2 years ago
could you give us some predator stategies. ive been planning to add two vindicators and i want to fill the last slot with a predator. would this be a good setup?
shankork 2 years ago
man 3 vindys , cheese.
pur3pk3rpwn 2 years ago
hey i play blood angels and only recently started. i got a vindicator (only 1) and dont know whether i should use it all the time but i dont really play tournaments i mainly play fun games What do u think?
mutilatingbob9 2 years ago
vindi all the way...
Darkvoidof40k 2 years ago
ty :D
mutilatingbob9 2 years ago
where does it say that the vindicater get to use the blast/large blast? i the weapon type only says ordnance
tecnowiz53 2 years ago
ordanaance always means large blast.
MrCODMODERNWAR 2 years ago
Unless otherwise stated, like the Valkyrie's Hellstrike Missiles, it's a krak missile that you roll 2D6 and pick the highest. It's also one shot. It fucking sucks, you can just take a Vendetta.
Gavo265 1 year ago
U TAKE 3
taitc123 2 years ago
Could I in theory have a squad of marines in front of to provide a cover save for the vindicator?
Since you know it's ordinance and fires over the squad.. I'm sorry my GW closed when 5th came out I'm really behind..
commandervulkan 2 years ago
do you have a vulkan in your army> just wondering.
spearoflife 2 years ago
Erm no I actually I didn't find out that Vulkan was a Space Marine Primarch till about a year after I THOUGHT I came up with the name.. ^_^ I'm actually a ..well more like WAS a blood angels player.. It's been about a year going on 2 since I played
commandervulkan 2 years ago
this helped me alot thankx =]
dk12553 2 years ago
ehh... i prefer whirlwinds by the way....could u do a vid on whirlwinds???
deathspartan209 2 years ago
Fire magnet!
Poxyquotl 2 years ago
you could put rhino on each side of it and stil move out (together)
but opponents just spread out if you have the 5"
so they are very useless
RetributionAngel 2 years ago
u could but that means more targets for meh tau's railguns
deathspartan209 2 years ago
I was expecting a Vindicator to have front armour 14, its meant to be the extreme siege weapon and it only has armour 13, even if it has the 3 feet thick amn dozer blade in it.
TheChaosUndivided 2 years ago
can't u just put the storm bolter, the hunter killer missiles, and the other weapons on so you don't loose the demolisher cannon?
Charkzilla20 2 years ago
The opponent tells you what he destroys ;]
Inmemorial 2 years ago
Intresting usage for vindicator.. however i never is to fond of it..
Its rare for my experience to find terrain to protect my vehicles most of the time..
If its an annihilation game then players can simply avoid the vindicator.
redeye117 2 years ago
cant u just add a storm bolter or something to get away with one weapon destroyed ?
methodhigh3 2 years ago
Read the rules please.
enemy can choose which weapon is destroyed
KisstoR 2 years ago
no... opponent picks
RetributionAngel 2 years ago
I looked at the Space Marine Codex. The Demolisher Cannon doesn't show it having a template. Hoe do you know that you use it?
HarbingerGunship 2 years ago
it says blast or large blast template is for the flamethrower
stormtrooper495 2 years ago
notice that this vindicator has a the bullldozer blades from the leman russ kit and has the gun from the original vindicator model. Which suggest this particular model was built before the new kit came out but after the new rhino was released since it has the new rhino chassi
halffliffe 2 years ago
Im assembling my first vindicator ( and vehicle ) now ( bought it cause of this video) and im having a assembling problem. That armor that you have to glue on the side doesnt seem to fit. How have you guys solved that or am i the only 1 that had that problem?
aapjeBOB0 2 years ago
only part of the side armor is supost to fit
gligar15 2 years ago
since it more of a deffs tank should it really need the siege shield or can i just take storm bolters instead for the 10 points
deeshytnest 2 years ago
I was thinking of what to field for my last slot. You just filled it...I may take a second, but I think having a MotF repairing it with a 50% chance may make it work. I'll have to try it out and see...
anotherwrld 2 years ago
cant u just protect vindicator with land raiders
destroyer5656 2 years ago
Land Raiders are just as destructive and valuable, screening your Vindicator with a valuable Land Raider is stupid, if youre gonna screen with other vechiles, use rhinos, they ar eonly 50 points each, and teh same size, using 250 points worth of Tank is really stupid.
TheChaosUndivided 2 years ago
can you use the same sort of tactics for whirlwinds?
Joe143cool 2 years ago
WayOfChaos, vehicles can move and still shoot heavy weapons. This includes tanks, bikes, walkers, etc.
You can also take storm bolter/hunter seeker to buffered against weapon destroyed
lhansona 2 years ago
demolisher cannon is a heavy so u cant move and shoot
WAYofCHAOS9 2 years ago
one thing i advise for 3 of them is purchase a techmarine with servitors. if you spread them out they can get all vindicators, and on a 2+ u can fix the wep destroyed or immobilized result and act as normal that turn.
Haggismckilt 2 years ago
Cant you just hide the vindicator behind the rock and just shoot over the rock with barrage?
somebodystudios 2 years ago
no... the vindicator doesnt have the barrage rule
Itgiger 2 years ago
ye the vindicator does. according too the space marine codex it does. alot of people think as you do but if you look on page 144 or the summary sheet you will see at the bottom it is a barrage weapon. it will not say it in the vindicator rules but it does in the summary. i play vindicators and i have to point this out to basically every player i face. not sure what it was in old code but it is a barrage in the new codex, not sure why friz missed that out...
Haggismckilt 2 years ago
i was basing wat i said on the black templars codex assuming they were the same
Itgiger 2 years ago
fair does man.
Haggismckilt 2 years ago
It's been changed in the errata, they're nor barrage anymore.
WindlordRyu 2 years ago
in 5th edition it does say its barrage so whats errata?
somebodystudios 2 years ago
Updates written by GW, it's under the "Gaming" section of their webpage.
WindlordRyu 2 years ago
just checked for myself. and ur rite. cheers for clearing that up.
Haggismckilt 2 years ago
THANK YOU!!!!!
Itgiger 2 years ago
Demolisher cannon isnt barrage,ppl said it below you its been in the GW errata for some time now concerning the SM codex
Ra1stl1n 2 years ago
Yes it does, 5th edition space marine codex listed in the reference page only
"Demolisher 24 inch 10 2 ord 1, barrage"
somebodystudios 2 years ago
I agree, i havnt seen Vindicators with barrage before, arent Barrage weapons meant to be Artillery/indirect fire weapons, i dont think a Vindicator shoots shells in an arc.
TheChaosUndivided 2 years ago
Well.. i only take 1 and i haven't lost yet.... the key is keep it in reserves and bring it when you can... bring it closest to your enemy as you can... first of it can come on and shoot. AND secondly it draws fire so if you have to move infantry thru tank heavy areas then they will shoot the vin rather than the infantry.
Itgiger 2 years ago
that is actually true now i know why the vindicator goes really fast
phirdude101 2 years ago
vidis rule
WAYofCHAOS9 2 years ago
3 vinidicators isnt as much as a threat as 6 ironclad dreadnoughts.
Raoh 2 years ago
Vindicator = Dead Nobz to me. Or dead CC Tyranid Warriors.
hardrockfreak1337 2 years ago
fritz sorry vindi is bad i roll them over no problamo lol
AutarchAndrew 2 years ago
Is that one of the old vindicators? Before the one with the huge shovel. btw thats a cool wee chaos podium thingy.
Boring tactic, heres a more fun one, surround your vindicator with 2 empty rhinos, rush them forward at top speed positioning the rhinos between heavy weapons and the vindicator and deploy smoke, take deamonic possesion if ur chaos. Then have fun the next turn :D
PenguinPainterz 2 years ago
I hate to go against you Fritz. ( Because you are an ELDAR GOD) ( and a 40k legend) But no matter how many Vindicators you have on the field, they aren't a threat.
They are 1 HUGE flaw, there 24 inch range. Even if your enemy comes to you they are going to come prepared.
I"ll make a vid about it
heller205 2 years ago
I play one with my wolves wins 13 draws 4 losses 6, i just keep it in reserve then bring it in. Oponents normally too scared of blood claws to notice it :P
Elliot9UK 2 years ago
love the fire prism thats why eldar are better because of halo fields and if we get weapon destroyed you laugh and say it will see you on turn 5 lol
AutarchAndrew 2 years ago
if you have 3 vindicators you get the 10 inch blast template and if it goes into a building the building goes boom!!!
Miniwargame1 2 years ago
only in apocalypse games :P
PenguinPainterz 2 years ago
only in apocalypse
weeeryann 2 years ago
only in apoc
Skringly 2 years ago
they die cause their weaker than a leman russ demolisher
1cathar 2 years ago
probably put it like 21 inches away from vindacator so if they are 3" away, no prob :D
UltramarineFTW 2 years ago
for annihilation i was thinking all in reserves then bring everything out on turn 5 and blow the $h!t out of everything with those tanks... good idea? (i dont watch many of your tactic videos.... did you come up with this??)
TheOnlyLichKing 2 years ago
you have to roll for reserves after turn 2 every turn, so pray to god that if you wanted this tactic, your rolls are pretty low on every reserve roll
Sorrowsky 2 years ago
wait.. .you HAVE to roll for reserves? ... woops >.>
TheOnlyLichKing 2 years ago
take land raider for troop transport
kingofmenoth 2 years ago 2
Jawaball didnt use it as a defence
ilikeketchup93 2 years ago
cool vid gd tacticks check out my vids dude :D ty
fantacy2is2mi5life 2 years ago
Aswell as what you said there is the line of sight arc!
Think about it with the dmg table (pen);
1- May not shoot (useless 1 turn)
2- May not move or shoot (even more useless 1 turn)
3- Wepon destoryed (might as well be blown up)
4- Imobalized (Can no longer pivit so it can see, seemsing it only has a 45 degree arc, it may aswell be useless for the game)
5+ - Boom
so basically anything but a 1 or 2 = dead
Vampified 2 years ago
great tactics. kinda similar to the devastator tactics (placing objectives in front of them). but you didn't explained why I need 3 of them. seems to work well with 1.
Drac40k 2 years ago
also the ordinance is very auqued but you can get one of in the first turn you kill more than if it suvives as they need a wie range of close opponients cool tactics tho
Number1GamerAsh 2 years ago
3 of anything is always good
i don´t like vindis... to easy to avoid
stay out of range, spread troops out or
ignor at first... when they come close take em out
RetributionAngel 2 years ago
Great Advice i can apply this to my Imperial Guard LR Demolisher as well, same stats and weapon with an extra kick too it for having hull mounted and sponson weapons
Thanks Fritz
Sorrowsky 2 years ago
100% with russ tanks- even better since they are AV 14 and have a longer range!
WayOfSaimHann 2 years ago
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RetributionAngel 2 years ago
Nice video
Chidaddy 2 years ago
"tactically you have to play them smartly correctly."
Great video.
Even better English :P
CancerMage 2 years ago
LOL! I'm always thinking a sentence or two ahead as I'm filming so sometimes I fail like that...
WayOfSaimHann 2 years ago
Lol i just thought it was really funny.
I love your videos fritz, I've learned so much. Keep up the awesome work!
CancerMage 2 years ago
Good Advice
Auxelli0n 2 years ago
I WANT TAU , I WANT TAU
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