So many want to argue. Why not get yourself a Bible (I recommend KJV) and read it. Read it ALL and don't use the age old excuse...its too long or you don't have enough time. 1 Cor 1:18
"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God."
The late Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said, "There are not even 100 people in this country who hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they think the Catholic Church to be."
You know who else had temples and altars. The Jewish people from which Catholicism takes its lineage. In the bible it talks about incense used during prayer...as the church used it today...and the fragrance of the incense as prayers going up to God. I can keep going on and on. But the reality is, you are not an intellectual equal. Rather than actually seeking out an educated Catholic, or clergy in the church to answer questions. You choose to remain ignorant and assume things about the Church.
Okay. I guess you think the God of the Universe is not powerful enough to conquer paganism and make it serve his glory. Just because things are similar or look pagan, in your view, does not mean they still are. God is powerful. God can use what was once pagan, conquer it, and make it serve him. Seek truth. Not division.
I am a Falun Gong practitioner. Falun Dafa is a cultivation system in the Buddha School based on the principles of the Universe: 真 Truthfulness 善 Compassion 忍 Forbearance.
Since 1999 it has been brutally persecuted by the CCP in China. People are being killed, tortured, put into concentration camps and have organs harvested from live people, simply because of their belief. More than 3400 Falun Gong practitioners have died at the hands of CCP in the past 12 years.
lol someone was showing me this orthodox pope and saying he's the closest to God/ Jesus , then i said no it's all pagan traditions, and he said i'm "Godless", really sad what people would rather believe and use to claim to be christian rather than what is written in the book of truth written by God himself (the Bible).
Is it my imagination or do many atheist claim to be formerly Catholic? I've known a few myself.
At about 2:31, what the heck is all that 'rigormoreaugh' behind and surrounding the Pope? It looks like an explosion of drift wood, with a few skulls thrown in for good measure.
The Inquisition actually began because a catholic priest lost a theological debate concerning the true Gospel versus what the Roman Catholic Church taught. Upon losing, he went back to Rome and with Pope Innocent began rounding up everyone who possessed a Bible and believed in telling others the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Most were burnt at the stake with their Bibles strapped to their necks as a warning to others not to read the scriptures or preach them to anyone beause they contradicted Rome.
Sabbath is Saturday. Satan is a liar and he LOVES how people worship on Sunday. It does matter which day we worship and must keep the seventh day Sabbath and not Sunday. Youtube won't let me post links. website about the truth
There were the yearly Sabbaths then there are the weekly Sabbaths. Colossians 2:16 speaks about the yearly Sabbaths. How will this verse mean if it is speaking of the weekly Sabbath when there is only one weekly Sabbath and that falls on Saturday, the 7th day. Sunday is not a Sabbath. No other day can possibly be a Sabbath.
"...Come out of her [Roman Catholic Church], my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." ~ Revelation 18:4 (KJV).
I DONT THINK GOD WOULD BE SO PETTY AS TO BE DEFINED BY A RELIGION. AND TO SAY THAT ONE IS CHOSEN, IT TO SAY THAT ALL THE OTHERS ARE OF THE LESSER. THEREFORE GODS CREATIONS ARE IMPERFECT, THUS GOD IS IMPERFEECT. SO GO AHEAD AND BE CHOSEN, CAUSE WHEN YOU DO YOUR A BLASPHEMER.
@8osiris so if someone makes a religion where they worship a bunch of inanimate things, thus making it of little value, that makes God imperfect? how rubbish.
@12345soccerguy you apparently didn't understand a single fucking thing I said. So much for universal thought. So much for our teacher being one. So much for the graven images. dumb ass.
@8osiris lol really?, saying God's creation is imperfect making God imperfect is still stupid, especially by saying that if a religion is chosen, making others of lesser value, leads to that conclusion. if there is only one true religion, that doesn't make God imperfect, which you're clearly stating the opposite. all others are false because they aren't worshiping the same God. If they aren't worshiping the same God, it has no value, as those Gods do not exist. if that's not it, what is?
@12345soccerguy Are all of Gods creations PERFECT or not? It's a plain and simple question. Dance around it all you like. They are or they are not! And bringing division between them with the idea of what is chosen is more to do with a persons ego, vanity and arrogance than anything else, which has nothing to do with divinity or any of the like. I think the real problem is your hung up on God being an Omipotent being as opposed to a culmanation of all things.
@8osiris Yes they are. However it is our free will that made us imperfect, that is, our decisions to sin. And if God is a culmination of all things, including what is on earth, then that would be a contradiction to the verse in the Bible that says God is not of this Earth.
@12345soccerguy Free will doesn't make us imperfect, if so then no one can walk the path of god therefore all your teachers are evil, and god has led you no where.
God not of this earth?: Then that contradicts the whole concept of our creation, since it was god that gave life to all things, and if god is not in all things then they are not gods creations.
@8osiris really?? FACEPALM*, being perfect is being sinless, if one's freewill is to sin, then that makes them imperfect. It doesn't contradict creation at all, creating and being a part of something are 2 separate things.
@12345soccerguy you either trust the path your placed on, sin and all or you don't. Your the kind of person who thinks good intentions don't have bad consequences, and that in itself is nuts.
Pharisee: a group of Jews who strickly follow the laws of Moses. Those being the ten commandments. FOllow them and you are claiming to be a Jew, and if your not Born a Jew then you a false Jew. And since even if you think it you are guilty of the Act as Jesus said then you have broken a commandment.
@8osiris The law of moses and the ten commandments are two separate things, the law of moses refers to sacrifices for the forgiveness of sins, but Jesus, the Lamb of God, became a sacrifice for all sin. The ten commandments were from GOD, it was GOD'S COMMANDMENTS, not moses', it was just that he revealed the commandments to moses' so that he can reveal it to the people, his law will stand forever. Following Yehoshua's commandments doesn't make you follow moses, you follow God, and him only.
@8osiris "you know what? "you're so right"! definitely God would give moses the ten commandments from which he took from egypt and destroyed because they didn't obey him, ya makes sooo much sense, =.= " - idiot
@12345soccerguy The only idiot is the ones who ignore that Moses was raised as an Egyptian, therefore was privy to all their knowledge, lets not forget that the Egyptians believed in one god as well. Don't forget there are stella that say as much.
@8osiris that does not mean he approved of their ways, do you even know about the 10 plagues God put on egypt? moses followed God, not the egyptian ways, what is your point anyways? just random conflict and ignorance?
@12345soccerguy Jesus is "Lamb of God"? Jesus is die for our sins? which sins? If Jesus have return, what would He do? Killing all nonbelievers? And what about the christians that already dead?
@MrDannySimple which sins? all sins. the righteous will resurrect from the dead, and the wicked will burn in the lake of fire until death. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
@12345soccerguy All sin? Can you tell me where i can find that in the Bible?
...ressurect... : That's not different with Islamic teaching, the different is Christians must believe Jesus is God, God is Three, God is dead in the cross, But Islam is simply must believe there is no God but God himself, and Jesus is messenger of God. All of us will be Judge by God including Jesus.
@MrDannySimple common islamic misconception saying if Jesus died, God died, God is Spirit, he cannot die, Jesus is in the Father, and the Father in Jesus, Father is Holy, and the Father is Holy. So when Jesus died, his physical Body died, not his Spirit,
@MrDannySimple also, the Jews made a passover sacrifice of a Lamb for the forgiveness of their sins, and so Jesus was crucified and a sacrifice for our sins on the passover day,
@MrDannySimple He's in heaven, how do i crucify Jesus, ? that's just stupid to say. It is a prophesy that the Messiah will be crucified. Read Psalm 22. Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven you." 6 And some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts, 7 "Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?
@12345soccerguy The Jews were under the Law of Moses. They were commanded by God to sacrifice a lamb for the forgiveness of their sins. God would forgive them until the next sacrifice and they had to repeat this year after year.
@diesbl Leviticus 4:35 "And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat of the lamb is taken away from the sacrifice of the peace offerings; and the priest shall burn them upon the altar, according to the offerings made by fire unto the LORD: and the priest shall make an atonement for his sin that he hath committed, and it shall be forgiven him."
@diesbl What made Jesus the perfect and supreme sacrifice was that he was the unique, one and only Son of His Majesty; and, most importantly, that he was well pleasing to his Father. Jesus’ sacrifice is effective on our behalf because it has been accepted by God. This is called God’s mercy. “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood” (Rm 3:28).
@diesbl Hebrews 11:11-14 “And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,”
@diesbl We understand the Passover story of being under the sacrificial blood of a lamb to be pointing to Jesus, the Lamb of God. In that original Passover the blood of a slain lamb was painted upon the door lentil causing inhabitants to go under it to enter the dwelling and be spared from the death plague sweeping Egypt. The first born of all under the blood were spared from death.
@diesbl “Does the Lord delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the voice of the Lord? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams (1 Sam 15:22). God asks, “Do I eat the flesh of strong bulls, or is the blood of goats my drink? Offer to God praise as your sacrifice and fulfill your vows to the Most High; then call upon me in time of distress; I will rescue you, and you shall glorify me” (Ps 50:13-15, NAB).
@diesbl The blood of bulls, goats and lambs don’t remove sin and never did. God forgives and removes sins as he sees a repentant and sincere heart desiring to follow him. Continually God makes plain what he expects from man: “For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings” (Hos 6:6).
@12345soccerguy And second lets not forget, If you follow the ten commandments then you are not only following Moses but Jesus as well, therefore you have two masters. And lets never mind that the punishment for breaking a commandment is death, and we in todays age have never backed up the word of some fucked up God with action, we again prove faithless in our belief.
@12345soccerguy Christians ignored Jesus when he said many will come in my name saying that I am the christ, and many will be decieved. Kind of sounds like Jesus sat down and told them he wasn't the christ and no one listened.
@8osiris That's probably the most stupidest comment i have ever read. First of all, Jesus spoke to Jews, not Christians, in a way, true Jews are true Christians. Also, Jesus said that there will be many false christs. Read that again, WILL BE, it is a prophesy. How in any way does that imply that Jesus is saying he isn't the Messiah? -.-
He's saying he IS the Messiah, and there will be many false messiah's in the future, posers, framers, imposters.
FIRSTLY, IT WAS FRANCO WHO DESCRIBED HITLER AS A ' TRUE SON OF THE CHURCH '. SECONDLY, THE STRAIGHT ARM SALUTE IS THE ORIGINAL ROMAN SALUTE. PLEASE DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE CALLING SOMEONE AN IDIOT, YOU'LL FIND IT IMPROVES YOU.
the truth is when christianity became poupular in ancient rome the emperors who were pagan mixed christianity and paganism together forming the roman catholic church that is fact now the sabath before that was always on SATURDAY which is the seventh day but when paganism was mixed in with christianity they made the sabbath on sunday the reason why is because sunday is the day of the sun which is a pagan tradition all you gotta do is look it up
Anyone with the ability to look things up for themselves will know that the rcc is a false church. It basically says that the bible is not enough, and that Christ's sacrifice on the tree is not enough. It tells everyone they are damned, if they do not belong to it. It tries to take the glory of Christ.Come out of her my people- warning, take heed. Romanism is satanism. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world that he did NOT rule in rome.
You know we have been lied to over the years, not only by Governments but by religious leaders, who have preached so many lies that are not even in Scripture and lead many on the path to destruction. You might want to visit a site that is in my user name which is 2besaved dot com.There is a great audio there that will shock you and you will come away asking many questions. Thanks Jane
"If you belonged to the world, the world would love its own; but because you do not belong to the world, and I have chosen you out of the world, the world hates you. Remember the word I spoke to you, 'No slave is greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you" -John 15: 19-20
Catholics don't worship the Pope or the Virgin Mary. We honor Mary because she was the vessel that bore Jesus Christ. We honor the Pope because, through the Holy Spirit, he leads the Church!
@wutchamacallit The Pope is leading a false church , i hear cathlics pray all the time and you hear them say Mary's name more then they say jesus . Jesus told us all what we needed to do , he said pray to him and pray for others , mary cant save you only jesus can . The devil runs the churches God even told us this in the Bible . Jesus doesn't want us to Honour Mary and if he did you must be calling our lord a liar He told us all what we need to be saved does the bible tell u to honour mary? NO
@candy25love4ever Check the other comment I posted about intercessions. "hear them say Mary's name more then they say jesus" What? Who told you that? That's false! "Mary can't save you, only Jesus can". Yes, that is true and I agree. "The devil runs the churches God even told us this in the Bible" What Bible are you reading? Where (what verse) does it say that? In Matt 16:18, God appoints Peter to start the Church. St. Peter was the first Pope of the Catholic Church.
Eat your own words stinger know one know's if any of the bibles are write or wrong , no one is suppose to follow the bible , truth comes from jesus not man , God told us we would be deceived in many ways and the Bible is one of those deceptions , man controled and took over everything , man didnt leave any truth for us , anything created or tought by man has been abolished . And shame on you for telling people that god is going to reward u and not others God will condem you f lies
@ChristianPatriarchy Hey there , maybe my words are not coming out right , what i mean buy what i wrote is , i do learn from the bible i first learned about jesus because of the bible , what i was trying to say is that some things in the bible were changed , and i follow our lord jesus more through prayer and having a personal relationship with him then i do with the bible . the more we seek jesus the more we will know him , the lord is in my heart . Blessings
@Stinger4186 .. stinger people are only suppose to learn from the bible not follow the Bible , we are suppose to pray and keep a relationship with jesus , the bible wont save us Jesus is the only way to heaven , the bible isnt important Faith and the truth are and no one will fined truth , but in christ we will . @ stinger again . you are not an elder or bishop and the ones who are today are false teachings , we dont follow elders and bishops you follow Jesus seek the truth before its to late
Does your bible tell you that God is a spirit? Then why is everything spiritual frowned upon by your churches. Prophecy, healing, discernment, holy ghost, etc. It is through his spirit that you will know the truth. Not by what someone told you was the truth. Bible says you should grow spiritually. If you know your bible it says the body is made up of many parts that need each other. Your preachers don't want to share their praise with others. Easier for them to lie to you. I will pray for you.
You poor people are so brain washed. Not saying there is not a God. Not saying there was no Yeshua. I'm saying the story was changed around so you people would stay weak by not knowing the whole truth. How are your Churches working out for you so far? You pointed your finger at the catholic church but if you would look at your hand you would see three pointing back at you. All you people spend so much time arguing about who is right you are missing the big picture. In the end you all lose.
HELLO KINDAVE, I HOPE YOUR WELL. I WAS BROUGHT UP WITH CHURCH ON A SUNDAY AND I AM ALWAYS SUSPICIOUS OF INNOVATIONS. THE EARLY CHURCH FATHERS WORSHIPPED ON A SUNDAY AND SO DID LUTHER AND CALVIN. SO I THINK IF ITS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THEM...BUT LETS NOT FORGET THAT OUR LORD LOVES WORSHIP WHATEVER DAY IT IS. GOD BLESS.
@ChristianPatriarchy Hello . the earliest church fathers did not worship on Sunday and neither did our Lord and the disciples ... God's Sabbath day is so important that even our Lord's sacrifice for us and his work on this earth was ended before the Sabbath began .. I too grew up believing that Sunday was the Sabbath and was shocked to discover the truth .. The Roman Church regards Sunday as the day she appointed and regard it as the mark of her authority ..check it out .. blessings
@kindave1 HELLO KINDAVE, I RESPECT YOUR POSITION. YOUR RIGHT THAT THE EARLIEST FATHERS, PETER, PAUL AND JAMES ALL WOULD KEEP THE JEWISH SABBATH. BUT I WILL HAVE TO STICK WITH SUNDAY AS A DAY OF CELEBRATION FOR THE RESURECTION AND THE NEW COVANENT. GOD BLESS.
One simple way to see for yourself that religion is man made and is not worshiping the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is to simply look around. A Church(circle) on every corner. Billions of people claiming to follow the one true God and children go to bed hungry. The poor are being abused. An American president who is pro-abortion. The lost people are not being reached. People in the Churches(circles) are arrogant and full of pride. They are no better than the people outside.
The translation for church is not body or house of God it's circle.The seventh day of the week is Saturday the sabbath.There is no historical proof the Romans crucified people on crosses. The cross dates back way before Yeshua was crucified. You can see crosses on the walls of the pyramids. Yeshua does not translate into Jesus. So be it also does not translate into amen. This is from a Jew who speaks Hebrew. Don't always believe what you hear. The scriptures tell you to study yourself.
@andreb5017 LISTEN UP ANDRE, YOU BETTER CHECK YOUR FACTS. PAUL DESCRIBES THE CHURCH AS THE BODY OF CHRIST, THAT'S HOW A CHRISTIAN SHOULD UNDERSTAND IT. THE BIBLE TELLS US CLEARLY THAT OUR LORD WAS CRUCIFIED. YESHUA DOES TRANSLATE INTO GREEK AS JESUS, AMEN IS HEBREW FOR ' SO BE IT '. AND YOUR A JEW ?! YOUR EITHER IGNORANT OR DELIBERATELY TRYING TO MISLEAD BECAUSE YOUR ANTI CHRIST.
Good post. Read the book trail of blood. It confirms a lot of the things in your video and much more. I almost feel sorry for the catholics. They have been deceived so bad. I was baptist until I woke up. Now I'm a believer in God and his true word with no religious title.I honestly felt so played when I realized I had been attending a Church (circle) on Sunday (day of the sun) kneeling before a cross (pagan symbol) praising the name Jesus (hail Zeus) ending my prayers with amen (sun god Ra)
@andreb5017 1. THE CHURCH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST, I.E EVERY CHRISTIAN IN THE WORLD WHO BELEIVES IN HIS NAME, NOT A CIRCLE. 2. WE WORSHIP ON A SUNDAY BECAUSE THAT IS THE DAY OF RESSURECTION. 3. THE CROSS IS THE SYMBOL OF HIS CRUCIFIXTION, WITHOUT WHICH WE ARE ALL RIGHTLY CONDEMNED 4. JESUS IS GREEK FOR JOSHUA OR YESHUA. DON,T THROW THE BABY OUT......
@ChristianPatriarchy Hi, i disagree that with your take on Worshipping on Sunday. The day was officially adopted in approx 321 AD when the roman emperor Constantine changed the day to attract pagans to christianity .. sunday was their day of worship ... the roman church accepted the change and also took the many pagan statutes of various gods and gave them names of the saints .. this cross breed of pagan and christian emerged as the RC church we know today . and no I'm not seventh day adventist
@andreb5017 your so right about that , saturday is the sabbeth . i feel sorry for cathlics too , they have been deceived very badly i will pray for all ! Blessings
CP: "Peddling"? LOL. Look Ricky-Bobby, the assembly you belong to isn't "The Church". Furthermore, you don't even FOLLOW the bible. You cherry pick, as do all fundies
CP: Look man, I know you mean well & all, but you ont "follow" the bible. I know you fundies wanna change Christian history & claim that Peter, Paul, the apostles, Barnabus, Titus, Timothy, Linus, Clement etc were not Bishops. See? They were all Bishops, Ricky-Bobby.. I know you & ur preacher Maynerd disgaree & all. The pope today os the successor to Peter & a BISHOP: 1Tim3; Tit1:7; 1Pt2:25; 2Thes2:15
green: there are many simpletons in other denoms that don't even know the bible. The "harlot" is Jerusalem. It's only in about 1/3 of the OT.. It has nothing to do with The Church. Read Ezek 16, namely 16:15. Ever read Matt23:31-37? Luke11:43-52? Many preachers even who think they "know" the bible, don't know the bible. Ur following the wrong exegesis. Be careful whom you listen to. Ur assembly isn't The Church anyway. There's only ONE true Church. One
@Stinger4186 ARE YOU STILL HERE ! STILL PEDDLING YOUR PAPIST APOLOGIES AND TRYING TO DECEIVE PEOPLE WITH YOUR ROMAN LIES. HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THE BIBLE. IF THE CHURCH OF ROME HAD SUCCEEDED, THEN NO ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO EVEN OWN A BIBLE. ROME IS THE WHORE THAT IS DRUNK ON THE BLOOD OF THE SAINTS AND COMMITS FORNICATION WITH THE KINGS OF THE EARTH.
green: ur wrong. ln the OT, God chose people to LEAD. He does that oday to LEAD in His Church, lest we get the wrong doctrine. Ur assembly is not the Church of the Bible, green.. You mean well & all, but it is what is is. The apostles & Paul were Bishops (1Tim3; Tit1:7; 1Pt2:25)
kindave: the Church never "changed" the Commandments. The Church already is divinely protected. There's no other "Church".. Also, the day of worship was moved to Sunday because of Easter Sunday. If that's ur argument, you need to lump in the rest of all Christian assemblies - Baptists, Methodists, Orthodox etc who worship on Sundays too. How many people worldwide make up ur assembly? Not so many.. Not a powerful argument
@Stinger4186 Your church certainly did change the commandments - disregarding the second commandment and changing the sabbath of the fourth commandment to sunday and it has nothing to do with the day of resurrection .and yes certainly I'll lump them all together ... the pope says his church is the mother of all other churches and for the most part he is correct or as the Bible refers ot her the Mother of Harlots .. most protestant churches are moving back toward Mother again
@kindave1 The roman catholic church is the mother of harlots...she had many daughters that came out of her in protest, hence the words protestants. They took all the characteristics of their mother with them, Sunday, cross, pagan deity worship (easter, xmas, mother-child worship, etc.) and the abominations goes on and on. This religion is the very same one that nimrod started. The idolarty is really sickening when one opens their eyes.
The Church never "changed" any of the Commandments. Also, the pope is the TENDER OF THE FLOCK per Jesus' words to Peter in Jn21:15-17; Mt16:17-19, and he is the presiding Bishop of the Church & Peter's successor! In Tit1:7 it states "a Bishop is a steward of God".. "U've returned to the shepherd & BISHOP of ur souls" 1Pt2:25
"elders [Bishops] that RULE WELL are worthy of double honor" 1Tim5:17
"Be OBEDIENT to them that RULE for they watch ur souls & must give an account" -Heb13:17
@stuart7034 I don't have to worship the pope. Then only thing you got right about me is that I'm Catholic. If I was a nazi I would probably be protestant trash like you, because that's what most are stupid fuck.
@SANxJONERO hitler was a catholic and up until his death he was celebrated in the vatican and if you fefuse by catholic law to say that the pope is christ on earth u can be expled and dont 4 get all the great reformers left the catholic church because o f the worship of mary praying to the dead and the worship of the pope
@stuart7034 You have a lot to learn about Hitler. I think you should stop watching too many conspiracy theory videos, cuzz it's making you look even more dumb than you already are. We only worship the Lord, so sorry to tell you you're a fool.
@SANxJONERO De Valera, President of the irish republic and General Franco both published and sent condolences to the germany on Hitlers death, descibing him as A TRUE SON OF THE CHURCH. THE STRAIGHT ARM SALUTE OF THE FASCISTS IS THE ROMAN SALUTE. HITLER, MUSOLLINI, FRANCO AND PAVELIC WERE ALL TRUE SONS OF THE ROMAN CHURCH AND THEREFORE SERVANTS OF THE DEVIL.
@ChristianPatriarchy How were they true sons of the Roman chuch? You are an idiot & if you're talking about the nazi salute, I only see nazis doing that
@Stinger4186 Stinger, you need to forget about organized "religion" and STUDY scriptures and history. Its amazing what you learn without "church" interference. The Spirit will lead you to all truth.
@Stinger4186 "There is no other church." Much of what is Catholic came about around 500AD. The Orthodox have a more clear claim to early traditions. Protestants attempted to live in freedom from the torture and tyranny of the Catholics, not them. Your idea that you have "the only church," is truly a matter of institutionalized hubris. This is ego. You have been indoctrinated into the deadly sin of pride and it has blinded you, perhaps.
WERE IT NOT FOR LUTHER AND THE LIKE, YOUR CHURCH WOULD HAVE MADE SURE NO ONE HAD THE BIBLE. ALSO, AS YOU HAVE ADMITTED YOURSELF IT IS YOU ROMANS WHO ADD TO THE BIBLE. FURTHERMORE, IF YOU DON'T WISH TO WASTE YOUR TIME, PLEASE DON'T REPLY.
I SUPPOSE IF CHRISTIANS ARE TO BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS NO WRITTEN GOSPEL THEN WE CAN ALL MAKE CHRISTIANITY BE WHATEVER WE WHAT IT TO BE. BUT THEN WE WOULD ALL BE ROMANS AND PUT OUR FAITH IN THE ROMAN CURIA AND PONTIFF AND NOT IN GOD.
No CP, it's made a point in the letters of Paul that he has NO "written" gospel. They preach via the "spoken" word which is Sacred Tradition. (No, this isnt the same as "human tradition")
@Stinger4186 AGAIN, YOU DENY THE GOSPELS BUT USE THEM WHEN IT SUITS YOU. THAT IS ROMAN DOUBLETHINK. EITHER THE GOSPEL IS THE WORD OF GOD, IN WHICH CASE IT IS SUPREME OR IT IS NOT, IN WHICH CASE TRADITION SUPREME. WHICH IS IT TO BE ROMAN ?
Look, my simpleness, the gospel of Mark & Luke is an example of the "spoken" word. They rec'd their info on a SECOND hand basis. The same with Acts. The books of Acts was written by Luke, my simplicity.. He wasnt even there but rec'd what they did by WORD OF MOUTH, the spoken word. He and Mark recorded it second hand. The epistles, my simplistic, were written BEFORE the "written" gospels came out. How did they preach a written gospel if it wasnt out yet? Explain that one, einstein
Matt wrote his particular gospel in Greek, einstein. St. Jerome translated the entire Bible in the 5th century into Latin. Sacred Tradition is NOT the same, my simpleness, as tradition of men. One is the word of God, the other is not. Man, do you actually READ the NT? Paul says he has no written word.. The letters he writes are all a divine revelation bequeathed to him by the Holy Sp. His last epistle was in 59AD. The 1st written gosp in 61AD. How can he preach a written gospel if not out?
The word of God had to be SPOKEN first, before the hagiographers of the BIble could put it down on parchment, could it not? BUT, not all things FROM GOD GOT RECORDED WITH INK! This is a known FACT, even among protestants. I dont know what crack pipe you've been smoking out of, Ricky Bobby, but youobviously are a little slowwwwww. That's called Sacred Tradition. The "spoken" word. All the apostles & Paul were guided solely by divine revelation when they were out preaching, einstein.
The EPISTLES, einstein, ARE SACRED TRADITION. Paul wrote these letters as the Holy Sp guided him, and HE PASSES THIS ON TO THE PEOPLE. He delivers it to them. The gospel he preaches is a revelation from God! This is called Sacred Tradition. The NT could NOT have been written without Sacred Tradition. Stop wasting my time with your complete idiocy. READ the Bible. Paul never says: "The gospel of Matt, Mark, Luke, or John which I preach", rather, "the gospel I preach is not given by MAN"
@Stinger4186 THE EPISTLES ARE YOUR SACRED TRADTION. SO WHERE IN THE EPISTLES DOES PAUL SAY THAT THE CHURCH OF ROME IS HOLIER THAN ANY OTHER CHURCH. YOU SEE YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT IS BASED ON PETER. BUT NOWHERE IN THE EPISTLES IS PETER MADE BISHOP OF ROME AND HE THEN GIVES ROME TOTAL AUTHORITY ?
Mark, Luke and Acts are Sacred Tradition. The word "tradition" comes from the Latin "Trado, tradere" meaning "to pass on".. God passes on His word TO them to deliver to the people, but the apostles & Paul preach from no Bible --> it wasnt OUT YET. They had only their "authority" from God. 2Cor10:8; Matt16:17-19; Mt18:17-18
Also, Paul says "There are other gospels floating around out there. Do not listen to any gospel except what you get from 'US'" Gal1:9 --> WHY? Remember he's a Bishop now
Sacred Tradition, really is ALL of the word of God. He had to "speak" it first to prophets of old, the old hagiographers and even the new ones of the NT. They wrote it down. He had to "speak" it to the apostles & Paul, but not all got recorded, even read Jn21:25.. What Mark & Luke did, was they got their info SECOND hand. They were not a 1st hand eyewitness, and were not bequeathed the word directly from God as the others were who RECEIVED it.. Got it yet?? It's not rocket science
so CP, THIS is WHY the Church has Authority to this day! See yet? Because, Not all of God's WORD got written. Even Jesus knew that not all the word of God would get "written".. This is WHY Jesus said to His apostles: "He who hears YOU will hear ME. He who rejects YOU rejects Me, as the Father sent Me I now send YOU... it wasnt you who chose Me, but I chose you AND I "ordained' you.."
"What you bind on earth is bound in heaven. What you loose on earth is loosed in heaven"
You are either pathetically stupid, or just screwing with me. Either way, stop wasting my time. You dont know any better, and NO, you still are not OF the One True Church. You are an "offshoot" of the true Church. Were it not FOR the Church, you would not even have a Bible. Just so you know, the KJV has been so doctored up & revised hundreds of times. This is also forbidden to do. Luther even compiled his own bible, which too is forbidden. He added & removed from it which is forbidden.
stinger - "this is forbidden to do" Yes it is ... has your church ever changed God's word or law? Your church even had the gall to change the 10 commandments to suit your pagan practices, taking out the second commandment (that would be the one about bowing down to idols .. you can see the problem with that one) and actually splitting the 9th commandment into 2 in order to make 10 .. you are hung up on the word Church .. Holy Catholic church is diff than Roman Catholic church ..not the ONE
@Stinger4186 IT is your Roman church that also officially changed the Sabbath to the pagan SUNday in order to appease roman pagans .. while also adopting pagan statues of pagan gods and making them into statues of saints ... are messianic Jews an "offshoot" of your Roman church .. the last book of the Bible refers to a group of Christians in the last days and calls them a "remnant" that keep the commandments of God and hold the testimony of Jesus - do u think this refers to 1 billion R catholic
It's been a travesty that theree has been scandal in The Church. Asolutely egregious.. However, of the 65,000 priests in the US, about 1% have had scandal of this sort & one case is too many which the media loves. The overwhelming majority of priests are good holy men who live out their vocation and tend to the needs of people by giving them the sacraments. I abhor what these people have done, but u pray for them. If your without sin, then cast the first stone my pharisaical friend
@Stinger4186 NOW THATS THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK ! I'M A PHARISEE EH. SO IF ANYONE HAS SINNED HE SHOULD KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT ABOUT ROMAN PERVERTS.
CP: You never answered my question.. Who is Linus & who's Clement? What does Peter mean in Acts 15:7? In Eph1:22-23 "The Church is His Body" meaning Christ's. "There I ONE BODY & One Spirit, one Lord, ONE FAITH, one baptism" (not 50K assemblies). Paul speaks to other ordained Bishops in The Church & what's expected of them: Acts 20:28
@Stinger4186 St Irenaeus, the earliest commentator we have, plainly tells us that, "The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. " Clement follows Linus. Our Lord and the Apostles all refer to ' The Church ' but do so long before any church had been established in Rome and cannot therefore be said to regard that title as belonging solely to the episcopate of Rome.
That's not true. Peter had been the presiding bishop of The Church in Jerusalem, Antioch, Corinth, then oversaw The Church from Rome. These arent all recorded in the BIble except for Jerusalem. Not all Jesus did got recorded. Doesnt matter. Peter & Paul were both martyred in Rome under Nero, 3 yrs apart. Paul was beheaded & Peter crucified upside down since he felt unworthy to be crucufied in the same manner as Christ. Find em
Nonetheless, all Authority was given to them by Christ.
@Stinger4186 WHAT IS NOT TRUE ? YOU DON'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO GRASP THE SPIRIT OF CHRISTIANITY. WHERE DOES OUR LORD SAY THAT THOSE WHO HE SENDS OUT INTO THE WORLD TO CARRY ABROAD THE GOOD NEWS ARE TO KILL, MAIM AND TORTURE IN HIS NAME. DO YOU STILL DENY THE LIVES THAT ROME HAS TAKEN AND THE TORTURE IT HAS INFLICTED IN THE NAME OF CHRIST.
your Caps Lock is stuck. You do not have an understanding of early Christian history & the early Church. In 250AD, Cyprian, the martyr Bishop in Carthage wrote: "It is on Peter that Jesus builds his Church, & to him He entrusts to feed His sheep. Although He assigns power to all the apostles, yet He founded a single Chair, thus establishing His own Authority the source and hallmark of the Church's 'oneness'. No doubt the others were all that Peter was, but a 'primacy' is given (contd)
... to Peter & it is thus made clear that there is but ONE Church and ONE Chair. If a man does not hold fast to this oneness, does he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he deserts the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, has he still confidence that he is in The Church..?"
Later Christian leaders also viewed the Bishop of Rome as Cyprian did, as a "chairman" for the whole Church- directing it, teaching it, and preserving its unity
I know this, newton. Irenaeus refuted false teachers in the late 2nd century by this: "The tradition which that very great, oldest, and well known Church, founded and established at Rome by those 2 glorious apostles Peter & Paul, received from the apostles...every church must be in harmony with this Church, the Church in Rome because of its outstanding pre-eminence"
Ever look at the flag of the Vatican? It has Keys on it.
You're a simpleton. That's not true. If u refer to the Inquisitions, heresy was a crime against the state. The state handled the matter. The Church actually dealt mercifully to heretics. That was in a different time & place much different to what we're used to today. Many of these heresies e.g Catharism, Jansenism, Albegensianism to name a few were rapidly spreading across Europe & touted things like Jesus isnt God, or He was fully human & fully divine etc. Refer to Gal1:9
@Stinger4186 THE TEMPORAL POWERS WERE COMMANDED BY POPE TO KILL PROTESTANTS. FACT. ROMAN PREISTS MERCIFULLY TORE YOUR FLESH, BROKE YOUR BONES AND BURN YOU ALIVE.
That's a load of crap. You simpletons are somethiing else. You have no clue what ur even writing about. You go by what ur preacher Maynerd (or Ricky-Bobby) says, & even HE doesnt have a clue. You make stuff up and you have nothing to substantiate what u write
Why would I want you to give me what the bible says when you dont know the Bible, from where the Bible came, which books were omitted from it, you dont follow it, you dont know that none of the apostles preached a written gospel, you dont know that Jesus began His Church and ordained the apostles as the 1st BISHOPS of The Church, and Peter oversaw the Church. (Read what he says in Acts15:7), and on & on..in short, you're this little gnome clanging a cymbal looking for attention
I dont offer insults. I concur with Peter's words in 2Pet1:20, 3:16 "There's NO part of scripture for private interpetation" (What protestants do).. and the simple & the Unlearned DISTORT the scriptures to their own destruction"
CP, the assembly you belong to, though well intentioned, is NOT The Church of the BIble. This very institution by Christ, with ALL authority, chose the books to make up the BIble, i.e to compile the Bible as guided by GOD, and omit other books.
What's this "Romans" crap? You mean the Bishops of The Church? Well, the Bishops of the Church had a Council at Nicea b/c heresies were floating around even in the early days. They basically convened to give the doctrines and beliefs of the Church
@CP, yes and they were in obedience to the Bishops. Paul states in his letters, "Im sending so & so".. it's either a priest or a Bishop aready ordained. Read Acts. They ordain Bishops (elders) & priests by the laying on of hands.
"Younger, SUBMIT yourselves to the elder (Bishop), and I who too am an elder.." 1Pt5:1-5, 2:25
"Be obedient to them who RULE for they watch your souls & must give an account" Heb13:17
"know that the elders [Bishops] the RULE well are worthy of double HONOR" 1Tim5:17
@Stinger4186 PETER ACTUALLY SAYS " KNOWING THIS FIRST, THAT NO PROPHECY OF THE SCRIPTURE IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION. FOR THE PROPHECY CAME NOT IN OLD TIME BY THE WILL OF MAN; BUT HOLY MEN OF GOD SPAKE AS THEY WERE MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST. NOW WHO'S BEING A PHARISEE.
@Stinger4186 I THINK YOU WILL FIND PETER SAYS " KNOWING THIS FIRST, THAT NO PROPHECY OF THE SCRIPTURE IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION. FOR THE PROPHECY CAME NOT IN OLD TIME BY THE WILL OF MAN; BUT HOLY MEN OF GOD SPAKE AS THEY WERE MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST . NOW WHO'S BEING A PHARISEE.
Stop wasting my time. Jesus said: "He who does NOT HEAR 'THE CHURCH', let him be as a HEATHEN AND A PUBLICAN.. what you BIND on earth is BOUND in heaven" Mt18:17-18... Also, "The CHURCH is the pillar and foundation of TRUTH" 1Tim3;15
@CP: Irenaeus never denied Peter's primacy to the Chair. Look, Jesus GAVE Peter the Keys. When Matt wrote his gosp he used the 2 pers singular of "you" in "Peter I give YOU the Keys", he did NOT write it in the 2nd pers plural meaning all of em. When Irenaeus makes this comment of Linus, Linus DID ascend to the office of
So many want to argue. Why not get yourself a Bible (I recommend KJV) and read it. Read it ALL and don't use the age old excuse...its too long or you don't have enough time. 1 Cor 1:18
"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God."
diesbl 20 hours ago
The only church where Roman gods were recycled as saints.
Samael51760 2 weeks ago
The late Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said, "There are not even 100 people in this country who hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they think the Catholic Church to be."
MrGavinArvizo 3 weeks ago
You know who else had temples and altars. The Jewish people from which Catholicism takes its lineage. In the bible it talks about incense used during prayer...as the church used it today...and the fragrance of the incense as prayers going up to God. I can keep going on and on. But the reality is, you are not an intellectual equal. Rather than actually seeking out an educated Catholic, or clergy in the church to answer questions. You choose to remain ignorant and assume things about the Church.
MrGavinArvizo 3 weeks ago
Okay. I guess you think the God of the Universe is not powerful enough to conquer paganism and make it serve his glory. Just because things are similar or look pagan, in your view, does not mean they still are. God is powerful. God can use what was once pagan, conquer it, and make it serve him. Seek truth. Not division.
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Xiaolian7 1 month ago
lol someone was showing me this orthodox pope and saying he's the closest to God/ Jesus , then i said no it's all pagan traditions, and he said i'm "Godless", really sad what people would rather believe and use to claim to be christian rather than what is written in the book of truth written by God himself (the Bible).
12345soccerguy 1 month ago
Is it my imagination or do many atheist claim to be formerly Catholic? I've known a few myself.
At about 2:31, what the heck is all that 'rigormoreaugh' behind and surrounding the Pope? It looks like an explosion of drift wood, with a few skulls thrown in for good measure.
kingmackattack42 2 months ago
The Inquisition actually began because a catholic priest lost a theological debate concerning the true Gospel versus what the Roman Catholic Church taught. Upon losing, he went back to Rome and with Pope Innocent began rounding up everyone who possessed a Bible and believed in telling others the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Most were burnt at the stake with their Bibles strapped to their necks as a warning to others not to read the scriptures or preach them to anyone beause they contradicted Rome.
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jc4l90 3 months ago
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There were the yearly Sabbaths then there are the weekly Sabbaths. Colossians 2:16 speaks about the yearly Sabbaths. How will this verse mean if it is speaking of the weekly Sabbath when there is only one weekly Sabbath and that falls on Saturday, the 7th day. Sunday is not a Sabbath. No other day can possibly be a Sabbath.
jc4l90 3 months ago
stupid.
TravisRochaRox21 3 months ago
I feel so much sympathy for Jesus Christ and his Mother.
JavierAri12 3 months ago
What is with over the top devotion and adulation for Mary and Catholics? Explain.
asdf234233 3 months ago
"...Come out of her [Roman Catholic Church], my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." ~ Revelation 18:4 (KJV).
XBleach88X 3 months ago
I DONT THINK GOD WOULD BE SO PETTY AS TO BE DEFINED BY A RELIGION. AND TO SAY THAT ONE IS CHOSEN, IT TO SAY THAT ALL THE OTHERS ARE OF THE LESSER. THEREFORE GODS CREATIONS ARE IMPERFECT, THUS GOD IS IMPERFEECT. SO GO AHEAD AND BE CHOSEN, CAUSE WHEN YOU DO YOUR A BLASPHEMER.
8osiris 5 months ago
@8osiris so if someone makes a religion where they worship a bunch of inanimate things, thus making it of little value, that makes God imperfect? how rubbish.
12345soccerguy 1 month ago
@12345soccerguy you apparently didn't understand a single fucking thing I said. So much for universal thought. So much for our teacher being one. So much for the graven images. dumb ass.
8osiris 3 weeks ago
@8osiris lol really?, saying God's creation is imperfect making God imperfect is still stupid, especially by saying that if a religion is chosen, making others of lesser value, leads to that conclusion. if there is only one true religion, that doesn't make God imperfect, which you're clearly stating the opposite. all others are false because they aren't worshiping the same God. If they aren't worshiping the same God, it has no value, as those Gods do not exist. if that's not it, what is?
12345soccerguy 3 weeks ago
@12345soccerguy Are all of Gods creations PERFECT or not? It's a plain and simple question. Dance around it all you like. They are or they are not! And bringing division between them with the idea of what is chosen is more to do with a persons ego, vanity and arrogance than anything else, which has nothing to do with divinity or any of the like. I think the real problem is your hung up on God being an Omipotent being as opposed to a culmanation of all things.
8osiris 3 weeks ago
@8osiris Yes they are. However it is our free will that made us imperfect, that is, our decisions to sin. And if God is a culmination of all things, including what is on earth, then that would be a contradiction to the verse in the Bible that says God is not of this Earth.
12345soccerguy 3 weeks ago
@12345soccerguy Free will doesn't make us imperfect, if so then no one can walk the path of god therefore all your teachers are evil, and god has led you no where.
God not of this earth?: Then that contradicts the whole concept of our creation, since it was god that gave life to all things, and if god is not in all things then they are not gods creations.
8osiris 2 weeks ago
@8osiris really?? FACEPALM*, being perfect is being sinless, if one's freewill is to sin, then that makes them imperfect. It doesn't contradict creation at all, creating and being a part of something are 2 separate things.
12345soccerguy 2 weeks ago
@12345soccerguy you either trust the path your placed on, sin and all or you don't. Your the kind of person who thinks good intentions don't have bad consequences, and that in itself is nuts.
Pharisee: a group of Jews who strickly follow the laws of Moses. Those being the ten commandments. FOllow them and you are claiming to be a Jew, and if your not Born a Jew then you a false Jew. And since even if you think it you are guilty of the Act as Jesus said then you have broken a commandment.
8osiris 2 weeks ago
@8osiris The law of moses and the ten commandments are two separate things, the law of moses refers to sacrifices for the forgiveness of sins, but Jesus, the Lamb of God, became a sacrifice for all sin. The ten commandments were from GOD, it was GOD'S COMMANDMENTS, not moses', it was just that he revealed the commandments to moses' so that he can reveal it to the people, his law will stand forever. Following Yehoshua's commandments doesn't make you follow moses, you follow God, and him only.
12345soccerguy 2 weeks ago
@12345soccerguy pretty sure those ten commandments are from spell 125 of the egyptian book of the dead.
8osiris 1 week ago
@8osiris "you know what? "you're so right"! definitely God would give moses the ten commandments from which he took from egypt and destroyed because they didn't obey him, ya makes sooo much sense, =.= " - idiot
12345soccerguy 1 week ago
@12345soccerguy The only idiot is the ones who ignore that Moses was raised as an Egyptian, therefore was privy to all their knowledge, lets not forget that the Egyptians believed in one god as well. Don't forget there are stella that say as much.
8osiris 3 days ago
@8osiris that does not mean he approved of their ways, do you even know about the 10 plagues God put on egypt? moses followed God, not the egyptian ways, what is your point anyways? just random conflict and ignorance?
12345soccerguy 3 days ago
@12345soccerguy Jesus is "Lamb of God"? Jesus is die for our sins? which sins? If Jesus have return, what would He do? Killing all nonbelievers? And what about the christians that already dead?
MrDannySimple 3 days ago
@MrDannySimple which sins? all sins. the righteous will resurrect from the dead, and the wicked will burn in the lake of fire until death. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
12345soccerguy 3 days ago
@12345soccerguy All sin? Can you tell me where i can find that in the Bible?
...ressurect... : That's not different with Islamic teaching, the different is Christians must believe Jesus is God, God is Three, God is dead in the cross, But Islam is simply must believe there is no God but God himself, and Jesus is messenger of God. All of us will be Judge by God including Jesus.
MrDannySimple 3 days ago
@MrDannySimple common islamic misconception saying if Jesus died, God died, God is Spirit, he cannot die, Jesus is in the Father, and the Father in Jesus, Father is Holy, and the Father is Holy. So when Jesus died, his physical Body died, not his Spirit,
12345soccerguy 3 days ago
@12345soccerguy The Father is Spirit* , repeated by accident
12345soccerguy 20 hours ago
@12345soccerguy Amen to that!!
diesbl 20 hours ago
@MrDannySimple also, the Jews made a passover sacrifice of a Lamb for the forgiveness of their sins, and so Jesus was crucified and a sacrifice for our sins on the passover day,
12345soccerguy 3 days ago
@12345soccerguy So you crucified Jesus as sacrifice for your sins? Can your God forgive you without any sacrificial?
MrDannySimple 3 days ago
@MrDannySimple He's in heaven, how do i crucify Jesus, ? that's just stupid to say. It is a prophesy that the Messiah will be crucified. Read Psalm 22. Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven you." 6 And some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts, 7 "Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?
12345soccerguy 3 days ago
@12345soccerguy The Jews were under the Law of Moses. They were commanded by God to sacrifice a lamb for the forgiveness of their sins. God would forgive them until the next sacrifice and they had to repeat this year after year.
diesbl 21 hours ago
@diesbl Leviticus 4:35 "And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat of the lamb is taken away from the sacrifice of the peace offerings; and the priest shall burn them upon the altar, according to the offerings made by fire unto the LORD: and the priest shall make an atonement for his sin that he hath committed, and it shall be forgiven him."
diesbl 21 hours ago
@diesbl What made Jesus the perfect and supreme sacrifice was that he was the unique, one and only Son of His Majesty; and, most importantly, that he was well pleasing to his Father. Jesus’ sacrifice is effective on our behalf because it has been accepted by God. This is called God’s mercy. “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood” (Rm 3:28).
diesbl 21 hours ago
@diesbl Hebrews 11:11-14 “And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,”
diesbl 20 hours ago
@diesbl We understand the Passover story of being under the sacrificial blood of a lamb to be pointing to Jesus, the Lamb of God. In that original Passover the blood of a slain lamb was painted upon the door lentil causing inhabitants to go under it to enter the dwelling and be spared from the death plague sweeping Egypt. The first born of all under the blood were spared from death.
diesbl 21 hours ago
@diesbl “Does the Lord delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the voice of the Lord? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams (1 Sam 15:22). God asks, “Do I eat the flesh of strong bulls, or is the blood of goats my drink? Offer to God praise as your sacrifice and fulfill your vows to the Most High; then call upon me in time of distress; I will rescue you, and you shall glorify me” (Ps 50:13-15, NAB).
diesbl 21 hours ago
@diesbl The blood of bulls, goats and lambs don’t remove sin and never did. God forgives and removes sins as he sees a repentant and sincere heart desiring to follow him. Continually God makes plain what he expects from man: “For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings” (Hos 6:6).
diesbl 21 hours ago
@MrDannySimple Do you people actually live here in the United States or in some 3rd world country?
diesbl 20 hours ago
@12345soccerguy And second lets not forget, If you follow the ten commandments then you are not only following Moses but Jesus as well, therefore you have two masters. And lets never mind that the punishment for breaking a commandment is death, and we in todays age have never backed up the word of some fucked up God with action, we again prove faithless in our belief.
8osiris 2 weeks ago
@12345soccerguy Christians ignored Jesus when he said many will come in my name saying that I am the christ, and many will be decieved. Kind of sounds like Jesus sat down and told them he wasn't the christ and no one listened.
8osiris 2 weeks ago
@8osiris That's probably the most stupidest comment i have ever read. First of all, Jesus spoke to Jews, not Christians, in a way, true Jews are true Christians. Also, Jesus said that there will be many false christs. Read that again, WILL BE, it is a prophesy. How in any way does that imply that Jesus is saying he isn't the Messiah? -.-
He's saying he IS the Messiah, and there will be many false messiah's in the future, posers, framers, imposters.
12345soccerguy 2 weeks ago
FIRSTLY, IT WAS FRANCO WHO DESCRIBED HITLER AS A ' TRUE SON OF THE CHURCH '. SECONDLY, THE STRAIGHT ARM SALUTE IS THE ORIGINAL ROMAN SALUTE. PLEASE DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE CALLING SOMEONE AN IDIOT, YOU'LL FIND IT IMPROVES YOU.
ChristianPatriarchy 6 months ago
the truth is when christianity became poupular in ancient rome the emperors who were pagan mixed christianity and paganism together forming the roman catholic church that is fact now the sabath before that was always on SATURDAY which is the seventh day but when paganism was mixed in with christianity they made the sabbath on sunday the reason why is because sunday is the day of the sun which is a pagan tradition all you gotta do is look it up
latinojerk305usa 7 months ago
@latinojerk305usa Yeah yeah yeah, just like Saturday is SATURN day. ALL YOU STUPID MOTHER FUCKERS SHUT THE FUCK UP N QUIT TALKING BOUT MY RELIGION!
SANxJONERO 6 months ago
Anyone with the ability to look things up for themselves will know that the rcc is a false church. It basically says that the bible is not enough, and that Christ's sacrifice on the tree is not enough. It tells everyone they are damned, if they do not belong to it. It tries to take the glory of Christ.Come out of her my people- warning, take heed. Romanism is satanism. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world that he did NOT rule in rome.
MrBear1873 7 months ago
@MrBear1873 You're an idiot
SANxJONERO 6 months ago
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Really,lol. If you believe the GASH the papes pedal for you, good luck to you. You are fooked already.
MrBear1873 6 months ago
he is just a idol..we cannot worship idols right....wtf are these people stupid ore what.
Wazztheweasel 7 months ago
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2besavedcom 8 months ago
Does the Second Commandment ring a bell (Exodus 20:4-5)?
Kyouryuu5000 9 months ago
Furthermore, we ask the Virgin Mary to intercede in our prayers. We don't worship her, only the God.
wutchamacallit 9 months ago
"If you belonged to the world, the world would love its own; but because you do not belong to the world, and I have chosen you out of the world, the world hates you. Remember the word I spoke to you, 'No slave is greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you" -John 15: 19-20
Catholics don't worship the Pope or the Virgin Mary. We honor Mary because she was the vessel that bore Jesus Christ. We honor the Pope because, through the Holy Spirit, he leads the Church!
wutchamacallit 9 months ago
@wutchamacallit The Pope is leading a false church , i hear cathlics pray all the time and you hear them say Mary's name more then they say jesus . Jesus told us all what we needed to do , he said pray to him and pray for others , mary cant save you only jesus can . The devil runs the churches God even told us this in the Bible . Jesus doesn't want us to Honour Mary and if he did you must be calling our lord a liar He told us all what we need to be saved does the bible tell u to honour mary? NO
candy25love4ever 9 months ago
@candy25love4ever Check the other comment I posted about intercessions. "hear them say Mary's name more then they say jesus" What? Who told you that? That's false! "Mary can't save you, only Jesus can". Yes, that is true and I agree. "The devil runs the churches God even told us this in the Bible" What Bible are you reading? Where (what verse) does it say that? In Matt 16:18, God appoints Peter to start the Church. St. Peter was the first Pope of the Catholic Church.
wutchamacallit 9 months ago
@wutchamacallit PETER WAS NEVER THE BISHOP OF ROME. THE FIRST BISHOP OF ROME WAS LINUS.
ChristianPatriarchy 8 months ago
@stinger4186
Eat your own words stinger know one know's if any of the bibles are write or wrong , no one is suppose to follow the bible , truth comes from jesus not man , God told us we would be deceived in many ways and the Bible is one of those deceptions , man controled and took over everything , man didnt leave any truth for us , anything created or tought by man has been abolished . And shame on you for telling people that god is going to reward u and not others God will condem you f lies
candy25love4ever 9 months ago
@candy25love4ever ' THE BIBLE IS ONE OF THOSE DECEPTIONS' ? ! IF SO THEN HOW DO YOU KNOW ABOUT OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST ?
ChristianPatriarchy 9 months ago
@ChristianPatriarchy Hey there , maybe my words are not coming out right , what i mean buy what i wrote is , i do learn from the bible i first learned about jesus because of the bible , what i was trying to say is that some things in the bible were changed , and i follow our lord jesus more through prayer and having a personal relationship with him then i do with the bible . the more we seek jesus the more we will know him , the lord is in my heart . Blessings
candy25love4ever 9 months ago
@Stinger4186 .. stinger people are only suppose to learn from the bible not follow the Bible , we are suppose to pray and keep a relationship with jesus , the bible wont save us Jesus is the only way to heaven , the bible isnt important Faith and the truth are and no one will fined truth , but in christ we will . @ stinger again . you are not an elder or bishop and the ones who are today are false teachings , we dont follow elders and bishops you follow Jesus seek the truth before its to late
candy25love4ever 9 months ago
The best of men are men at best.
6 is the number of man; 3 is the number of perfection... 666 is man in his perfection -- the devil.
When man creates religion, or adds religious traditions, it becomes Satan's church.
DiJohnny18 10 months ago
Great video and even better choice of song! :)
pommepot 11 months ago
Does your bible tell you that God is a spirit? Then why is everything spiritual frowned upon by your churches. Prophecy, healing, discernment, holy ghost, etc. It is through his spirit that you will know the truth. Not by what someone told you was the truth. Bible says you should grow spiritually. If you know your bible it says the body is made up of many parts that need each other. Your preachers don't want to share their praise with others. Easier for them to lie to you. I will pray for you.
andreb5017 11 months ago
You poor people are so brain washed. Not saying there is not a God. Not saying there was no Yeshua. I'm saying the story was changed around so you people would stay weak by not knowing the whole truth. How are your Churches working out for you so far? You pointed your finger at the catholic church but if you would look at your hand you would see three pointing back at you. All you people spend so much time arguing about who is right you are missing the big picture. In the end you all lose.
andreb5017 11 months ago
HELLO KINDAVE, I HOPE YOUR WELL. I WAS BROUGHT UP WITH CHURCH ON A SUNDAY AND I AM ALWAYS SUSPICIOUS OF INNOVATIONS. THE EARLY CHURCH FATHERS WORSHIPPED ON A SUNDAY AND SO DID LUTHER AND CALVIN. SO I THINK IF ITS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THEM...BUT LETS NOT FORGET THAT OUR LORD LOVES WORSHIP WHATEVER DAY IT IS. GOD BLESS.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@ChristianPatriarchy Hello . the earliest church fathers did not worship on Sunday and neither did our Lord and the disciples ... God's Sabbath day is so important that even our Lord's sacrifice for us and his work on this earth was ended before the Sabbath began .. I too grew up believing that Sunday was the Sabbath and was shocked to discover the truth .. The Roman Church regards Sunday as the day she appointed and regard it as the mark of her authority ..check it out .. blessings
kindave1 11 months ago 3
@kindave1 HELLO KINDAVE, I RESPECT YOUR POSITION. YOUR RIGHT THAT THE EARLIEST FATHERS, PETER, PAUL AND JAMES ALL WOULD KEEP THE JEWISH SABBATH. BUT I WILL HAVE TO STICK WITH SUNDAY AS A DAY OF CELEBRATION FOR THE RESURECTION AND THE NEW COVANENT. GOD BLESS.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@ChristianPatriarchy but that does not mean the sabbath should be disregarded.
12345soccerguy 1 month ago
One simple way to see for yourself that religion is man made and is not worshiping the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is to simply look around. A Church(circle) on every corner. Billions of people claiming to follow the one true God and children go to bed hungry. The poor are being abused. An American president who is pro-abortion. The lost people are not being reached. People in the Churches(circles) are arrogant and full of pride. They are no better than the people outside.
andreb5017 11 months ago
The translation for church is not body or house of God it's circle.The seventh day of the week is Saturday the sabbath.There is no historical proof the Romans crucified people on crosses. The cross dates back way before Yeshua was crucified. You can see crosses on the walls of the pyramids. Yeshua does not translate into Jesus. So be it also does not translate into amen. This is from a Jew who speaks Hebrew. Don't always believe what you hear. The scriptures tell you to study yourself.
andreb5017 11 months ago
@andreb5017 LISTEN UP ANDRE, YOU BETTER CHECK YOUR FACTS. PAUL DESCRIBES THE CHURCH AS THE BODY OF CHRIST, THAT'S HOW A CHRISTIAN SHOULD UNDERSTAND IT. THE BIBLE TELLS US CLEARLY THAT OUR LORD WAS CRUCIFIED. YESHUA DOES TRANSLATE INTO GREEK AS JESUS, AMEN IS HEBREW FOR ' SO BE IT '. AND YOUR A JEW ?! YOUR EITHER IGNORANT OR DELIBERATELY TRYING TO MISLEAD BECAUSE YOUR ANTI CHRIST.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
.......WITH THE BATH WATER. LASTLY, AMEN IS HEBREW FOR SO BE IT. GOD BLESS.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
Good post. Read the book trail of blood. It confirms a lot of the things in your video and much more. I almost feel sorry for the catholics. They have been deceived so bad. I was baptist until I woke up. Now I'm a believer in God and his true word with no religious title.I honestly felt so played when I realized I had been attending a Church (circle) on Sunday (day of the sun) kneeling before a cross (pagan symbol) praising the name Jesus (hail Zeus) ending my prayers with amen (sun god Ra)
andreb5017 11 months ago
@andreb5017 1. THE CHURCH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST, I.E EVERY CHRISTIAN IN THE WORLD WHO BELEIVES IN HIS NAME, NOT A CIRCLE. 2. WE WORSHIP ON A SUNDAY BECAUSE THAT IS THE DAY OF RESSURECTION. 3. THE CROSS IS THE SYMBOL OF HIS CRUCIFIXTION, WITHOUT WHICH WE ARE ALL RIGHTLY CONDEMNED 4. JESUS IS GREEK FOR JOSHUA OR YESHUA. DON,T THROW THE BABY OUT......
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@ChristianPatriarchy Hi, i disagree that with your take on Worshipping on Sunday. The day was officially adopted in approx 321 AD when the roman emperor Constantine changed the day to attract pagans to christianity .. sunday was their day of worship ... the roman church accepted the change and also took the many pagan statutes of various gods and gave them names of the saints .. this cross breed of pagan and christian emerged as the RC church we know today . and no I'm not seventh day adventist
kindave1 11 months ago
@andreb5017 your so right about that , saturday is the sabbeth . i feel sorry for cathlics too , they have been deceived very badly i will pray for all ! Blessings
candy25love4ever 9 months ago
@candy25love4ever well really it starts friday evening and ends on saturday evening
ivorydove28 9 months ago
The pope looks like that evil guy on stars wars. Darth vadors boss
andreb5017 11 months ago
CP: "Peddling"? LOL. Look Ricky-Bobby, the assembly you belong to isn't "The Church". Furthermore, you don't even FOLLOW the bible. You cherry pick, as do all fundies
Stinger4186 11 months ago
CP: Look man, I know you mean well & all, but you ont "follow" the bible. I know you fundies wanna change Christian history & claim that Peter, Paul, the apostles, Barnabus, Titus, Timothy, Linus, Clement etc were not Bishops. See? They were all Bishops, Ricky-Bobby.. I know you & ur preacher Maynerd disgaree & all. The pope today os the successor to Peter & a BISHOP: 1Tim3; Tit1:7; 1Pt2:25; 2Thes2:15
Stinger4186 11 months ago
kindave: ur a simpleton
Stinger4186 11 months ago
green: there are many simpletons in other denoms that don't even know the bible. The "harlot" is Jerusalem. It's only in about 1/3 of the OT.. It has nothing to do with The Church. Read Ezek 16, namely 16:15. Ever read Matt23:31-37? Luke11:43-52? Many preachers even who think they "know" the bible, don't know the bible. Ur following the wrong exegesis. Be careful whom you listen to. Ur assembly isn't The Church anyway. There's only ONE true Church. One
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 ARE YOU STILL HERE ! STILL PEDDLING YOUR PAPIST APOLOGIES AND TRYING TO DECEIVE PEOPLE WITH YOUR ROMAN LIES. HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THE BIBLE. IF THE CHURCH OF ROME HAD SUCCEEDED, THEN NO ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO EVEN OWN A BIBLE. ROME IS THE WHORE THAT IS DRUNK ON THE BLOOD OF THE SAINTS AND COMMITS FORNICATION WITH THE KINGS OF THE EARTH.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
green: ur wrong. ln the OT, God chose people to LEAD. He does that oday to LEAD in His Church, lest we get the wrong doctrine. Ur assembly is not the Church of the Bible, green.. You mean well & all, but it is what is is. The apostles & Paul were Bishops (1Tim3; Tit1:7; 1Pt2:25)
Stinger4186 11 months ago
kindave: the Church never "changed" the Commandments. The Church already is divinely protected. There's no other "Church".. Also, the day of worship was moved to Sunday because of Easter Sunday. If that's ur argument, you need to lump in the rest of all Christian assemblies - Baptists, Methodists, Orthodox etc who worship on Sundays too. How many people worldwide make up ur assembly? Not so many.. Not a powerful argument
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 Your church certainly did change the commandments - disregarding the second commandment and changing the sabbath of the fourth commandment to sunday and it has nothing to do with the day of resurrection .and yes certainly I'll lump them all together ... the pope says his church is the mother of all other churches and for the most part he is correct or as the Bible refers ot her the Mother of Harlots .. most protestant churches are moving back toward Mother again
kindave1 11 months ago 3
@kindave1 The roman catholic church is the mother of harlots...she had many daughters that came out of her in protest, hence the words protestants. They took all the characteristics of their mother with them, Sunday, cross, pagan deity worship (easter, xmas, mother-child worship, etc.) and the abominations goes on and on. This religion is the very same one that nimrod started. The idolarty is really sickening when one opens their eyes.
thegreenieye 11 months ago
kind:
The Church never "changed" any of the Commandments. Also, the pope is the TENDER OF THE FLOCK per Jesus' words to Peter in Jn21:15-17; Mt16:17-19, and he is the presiding Bishop of the Church & Peter's successor! In Tit1:7 it states "a Bishop is a steward of God".. "U've returned to the shepherd & BISHOP of ur souls" 1Pt2:25
"elders [Bishops] that RULE WELL are worthy of double honor" 1Tim5:17
"Be OBEDIENT to them that RULE for they watch ur souls & must give an account" -Heb13:17
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@kindave1 It would be easier to believe him if impoverished nations did not pay for the roman palaces.
westchesterny 8 months ago
@kindave1 I don't care what protestants are doing, because at the end of the day they are still protestants & not trying to learn true teachings.
SANxJONERO 6 months ago
@SANxJONERO paedophile dirty loving nazi fucking catholic go worship the pope then
stuart7034 6 months ago
@stuart7034 I don't have to worship the pope. Then only thing you got right about me is that I'm Catholic. If I was a nazi I would probably be protestant trash like you, because that's what most are stupid fuck.
SANxJONERO 6 months ago
@SANxJONERO hitler was a catholic and up until his death he was celebrated in the vatican and if you fefuse by catholic law to say that the pope is christ on earth u can be expled and dont 4 get all the great reformers left the catholic church because o f the worship of mary praying to the dead and the worship of the pope
stuart7034 6 months ago
@stuart7034 You have a lot to learn about Hitler. I think you should stop watching too many conspiracy theory videos, cuzz it's making you look even more dumb than you already are. We only worship the Lord, so sorry to tell you you're a fool.
SANxJONERO 6 months ago
@SANxJONERO De Valera, President of the irish republic and General Franco both published and sent condolences to the germany on Hitlers death, descibing him as A TRUE SON OF THE CHURCH. THE STRAIGHT ARM SALUTE OF THE FASCISTS IS THE ROMAN SALUTE. HITLER, MUSOLLINI, FRANCO AND PAVELIC WERE ALL TRUE SONS OF THE ROMAN CHURCH AND THEREFORE SERVANTS OF THE DEVIL.
ChristianPatriarchy 6 months ago
@ChristianPatriarchy How were they true sons of the Roman chuch? You are an idiot & if you're talking about the nazi salute, I only see nazis doing that
SANxJONERO 6 months ago
@Stinger4186 Stinger, you need to forget about organized "religion" and STUDY scriptures and history. Its amazing what you learn without "church" interference. The Spirit will lead you to all truth.
thegreenieye 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 "There is no other church." Much of what is Catholic came about around 500AD. The Orthodox have a more clear claim to early traditions. Protestants attempted to live in freedom from the torture and tyranny of the Catholics, not them. Your idea that you have "the only church," is truly a matter of institutionalized hubris. This is ego. You have been indoctrinated into the deadly sin of pride and it has blinded you, perhaps.
westchesterny 8 months ago
WERE IT NOT FOR LUTHER AND THE LIKE, YOUR CHURCH WOULD HAVE MADE SURE NO ONE HAD THE BIBLE. ALSO, AS YOU HAVE ADMITTED YOURSELF IT IS YOU ROMANS WHO ADD TO THE BIBLE. FURTHERMORE, IF YOU DON'T WISH TO WASTE YOUR TIME, PLEASE DON'T REPLY.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
I SUPPOSE IF CHRISTIANS ARE TO BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS NO WRITTEN GOSPEL THEN WE CAN ALL MAKE CHRISTIANITY BE WHATEVER WE WHAT IT TO BE. BUT THEN WE WOULD ALL BE ROMANS AND PUT OUR FAITH IN THE ROMAN CURIA AND PONTIFF AND NOT IN GOD.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@CP,
No CP, it's made a point in the letters of Paul that he has NO "written" gospel. They preach via the "spoken" word which is Sacred Tradition. (No, this isnt the same as "human tradition")
"The tradition I rec'd from the Lord.." 1Cor11:23
"Be obedient to all the doctrines & traditions we TELL you whether 'orally' or by epistle" 2Thes2:15
"the gospel I preach has not been given by any MAN, but a revelation of Jesus Christ" Gal1:11-12
"the word of God NOT written with INK.." 2Cor3:3
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 AGAIN, YOU DENY THE GOSPELS BUT USE THEM WHEN IT SUITS YOU. THAT IS ROMAN DOUBLETHINK. EITHER THE GOSPEL IS THE WORD OF GOD, IN WHICH CASE IT IS SUPREME OR IT IS NOT, IN WHICH CASE TRADITION SUPREME. WHICH IS IT TO BE ROMAN ?
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@CP,
Look, my simpleness, the gospel of Mark & Luke is an example of the "spoken" word. They rec'd their info on a SECOND hand basis. The same with Acts. The books of Acts was written by Luke, my simplicity.. He wasnt even there but rec'd what they did by WORD OF MOUTH, the spoken word. He and Mark recorded it second hand. The epistles, my simplistic, were written BEFORE the "written" gospels came out. How did they preach a written gospel if it wasnt out yet? Explain that one, einstein
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 WORD OF GOD OR TRADITION OF MEN ?
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@CP:
Matt wrote his particular gospel in Greek, einstein. St. Jerome translated the entire Bible in the 5th century into Latin. Sacred Tradition is NOT the same, my simpleness, as tradition of men. One is the word of God, the other is not. Man, do you actually READ the NT? Paul says he has no written word.. The letters he writes are all a divine revelation bequeathed to him by the Holy Sp. His last epistle was in 59AD. The 1st written gosp in 61AD. How can he preach a written gospel if not out?
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 IS THE BIBLE THE WORD OF GOD AND SUPREME OR THE TRADITIONS OF THE ROMAN CURIA. PLEASE CHOOSE INSTEAD OF DODGING THE ISSUE.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@CP:
The word of God had to be SPOKEN first, before the hagiographers of the BIble could put it down on parchment, could it not? BUT, not all things FROM GOD GOT RECORDED WITH INK! This is a known FACT, even among protestants. I dont know what crack pipe you've been smoking out of, Ricky Bobby, but youobviously are a little slowwwwww. That's called Sacred Tradition. The "spoken" word. All the apostles & Paul were guided solely by divine revelation when they were out preaching, einstein.
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 WHERE IS YOUR SACRED TRADTION RECORDED ?
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 THE GNOSTICS ALSO CLAIMED AN ORAL TRADTION. ARE YOU ROMANS GNOSTICS ?
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 WHERE ARE YOUR ' SACRED TRADTIONS ' RECORDED ?
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@CP:
The EPISTLES, einstein, ARE SACRED TRADITION. Paul wrote these letters as the Holy Sp guided him, and HE PASSES THIS ON TO THE PEOPLE. He delivers it to them. The gospel he preaches is a revelation from God! This is called Sacred Tradition. The NT could NOT have been written without Sacred Tradition. Stop wasting my time with your complete idiocy. READ the Bible. Paul never says: "The gospel of Matt, Mark, Luke, or John which I preach", rather, "the gospel I preach is not given by MAN"
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 THE EPISTLES ARE YOUR SACRED TRADTION. SO WHERE IN THE EPISTLES DOES PAUL SAY THAT THE CHURCH OF ROME IS HOLIER THAN ANY OTHER CHURCH. YOU SEE YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT IS BASED ON PETER. BUT NOWHERE IN THE EPISTLES IS PETER MADE BISHOP OF ROME AND HE THEN GIVES ROME TOTAL AUTHORITY ?
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
Mark, Luke and Acts are Sacred Tradition. The word "tradition" comes from the Latin "Trado, tradere" meaning "to pass on".. God passes on His word TO them to deliver to the people, but the apostles & Paul preach from no Bible --> it wasnt OUT YET. They had only their "authority" from God. 2Cor10:8; Matt16:17-19; Mt18:17-18
Also, Paul says "There are other gospels floating around out there. Do not listen to any gospel except what you get from 'US'" Gal1:9 --> WHY? Remember he's a Bishop now
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 FINALLY, I THINK WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THAT YOUR ' SACRED TRADTION ' IS IN FACT THE NEW TESTAMENT.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@CP:
Sacred Tradition, really is ALL of the word of God. He had to "speak" it first to prophets of old, the old hagiographers and even the new ones of the NT. They wrote it down. He had to "speak" it to the apostles & Paul, but not all got recorded, even read Jn21:25.. What Mark & Luke did, was they got their info SECOND hand. They were not a 1st hand eyewitness, and were not bequeathed the word directly from God as the others were who RECEIVED it.. Got it yet?? It's not rocket science
Stinger4186 11 months ago
so CP, THIS is WHY the Church has Authority to this day! See yet? Because, Not all of God's WORD got written. Even Jesus knew that not all the word of God would get "written".. This is WHY Jesus said to His apostles: "He who hears YOU will hear ME. He who rejects YOU rejects Me, as the Father sent Me I now send YOU... it wasnt you who chose Me, but I chose you AND I "ordained' you.."
"What you bind on earth is bound in heaven. What you loose on earth is loosed in heaven"
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 AGAIN YOU USE THE BIBLE TO NEGATE IT. ROMAN DOUBLETHINK.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@CP:
You are either pathetically stupid, or just screwing with me. Either way, stop wasting my time. You dont know any better, and NO, you still are not OF the One True Church. You are an "offshoot" of the true Church. Were it not FOR the Church, you would not even have a Bible. Just so you know, the KJV has been so doctored up & revised hundreds of times. This is also forbidden to do. Luther even compiled his own bible, which too is forbidden. He added & removed from it which is forbidden.
Stinger4186 11 months ago
stinger - "this is forbidden to do" Yes it is ... has your church ever changed God's word or law? Your church even had the gall to change the 10 commandments to suit your pagan practices, taking out the second commandment (that would be the one about bowing down to idols .. you can see the problem with that one) and actually splitting the 9th commandment into 2 in order to make 10 .. you are hung up on the word Church .. Holy Catholic church is diff than Roman Catholic church ..not the ONE
kindave1 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 IT is your Roman church that also officially changed the Sabbath to the pagan SUNday in order to appease roman pagans .. while also adopting pagan statues of pagan gods and making them into statues of saints ... are messianic Jews an "offshoot" of your Roman church .. the last book of the Bible refers to a group of Christians in the last days and calls them a "remnant" that keep the commandments of God and hold the testimony of Jesus - do u think this refers to 1 billion R catholic
kindave1 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 BURNING MEN AND WOMEN AT THE STAKE FOR READING THE BIBLE.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
SO IRENEAUS IS A LIAR.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN RAPED BY ROMAN PRIESTS ?
OR ARE THOSE WHO MAKE THESE ACCUSATIONS JUST PROTESTANT LIARS ?
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@CP:
It's been a travesty that theree has been scandal in The Church. Asolutely egregious.. However, of the 65,000 priests in the US, about 1% have had scandal of this sort & one case is too many which the media loves. The overwhelming majority of priests are good holy men who live out their vocation and tend to the needs of people by giving them the sacraments. I abhor what these people have done, but u pray for them. If your without sin, then cast the first stone my pharisaical friend
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 NOW THATS THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK ! I'M A PHARISEE EH. SO IF ANYONE HAS SINNED HE SHOULD KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT ABOUT ROMAN PERVERTS.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@CP:
More Catholics have been killed by protestants, einstein
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 WHERE AND WHEN. FACTS, REFERENCES NOT ASPERSIONS.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
correction: There IS one body, etc from my other post
Stinger4186 11 months ago
CP: You never answered my question.. Who is Linus & who's Clement? What does Peter mean in Acts 15:7? In Eph1:22-23 "The Church is His Body" meaning Christ's. "There I ONE BODY & One Spirit, one Lord, ONE FAITH, one baptism" (not 50K assemblies). Paul speaks to other ordained Bishops in The Church & what's expected of them: Acts 20:28
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 St Irenaeus, the earliest commentator we have, plainly tells us that, "The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. " Clement follows Linus. Our Lord and the Apostles all refer to ' The Church ' but do so long before any church had been established in Rome and cannot therefore be said to regard that title as belonging solely to the episcopate of Rome.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@CP:
That's not true. Peter had been the presiding bishop of The Church in Jerusalem, Antioch, Corinth, then oversaw The Church from Rome. These arent all recorded in the BIble except for Jerusalem. Not all Jesus did got recorded. Doesnt matter. Peter & Paul were both martyred in Rome under Nero, 3 yrs apart. Paul was beheaded & Peter crucified upside down since he felt unworthy to be crucufied in the same manner as Christ. Find em
Nonetheless, all Authority was given to them by Christ.
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 WHAT IS NOT TRUE ? YOU DON'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO GRASP THE SPIRIT OF CHRISTIANITY. WHERE DOES OUR LORD SAY THAT THOSE WHO HE SENDS OUT INTO THE WORLD TO CARRY ABROAD THE GOOD NEWS ARE TO KILL, MAIM AND TORTURE IN HIS NAME. DO YOU STILL DENY THE LIVES THAT ROME HAS TAKEN AND THE TORTURE IT HAS INFLICTED IN THE NAME OF CHRIST.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@CP:
your Caps Lock is stuck. You do not have an understanding of early Christian history & the early Church. In 250AD, Cyprian, the martyr Bishop in Carthage wrote: "It is on Peter that Jesus builds his Church, & to him He entrusts to feed His sheep. Although He assigns power to all the apostles, yet He founded a single Chair, thus establishing His own Authority the source and hallmark of the Church's 'oneness'. No doubt the others were all that Peter was, but a 'primacy' is given (contd)
Stinger4186 11 months ago
(contd)
... to Peter & it is thus made clear that there is but ONE Church and ONE Chair. If a man does not hold fast to this oneness, does he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he deserts the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, has he still confidence that he is in The Church..?"
Later Christian leaders also viewed the Bishop of Rome as Cyprian did, as a "chairman" for the whole Church- directing it, teaching it, and preserving its unity
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 WHICH CHRISTIAN LEADERS ?
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 IRENEAUS IS PRIOR TO CYPRIAN.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@CP:
I know this, newton. Irenaeus refuted false teachers in the late 2nd century by this: "The tradition which that very great, oldest, and well known Church, founded and established at Rome by those 2 glorious apostles Peter & Paul, received from the apostles...every church must be in harmony with this Church, the Church in Rome because of its outstanding pre-eminence"
Ever look at the flag of the Vatican? It has Keys on it.
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 MURDER AND TORTURE IN THE NAME OF CHRIST. THIS IS THE ONLY PREMINENCE OF ROME.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@CP:
You're a simpleton. That's not true. If u refer to the Inquisitions, heresy was a crime against the state. The state handled the matter. The Church actually dealt mercifully to heretics. That was in a different time & place much different to what we're used to today. Many of these heresies e.g Catharism, Jansenism, Albegensianism to name a few were rapidly spreading across Europe & touted things like Jesus isnt God, or He was fully human & fully divine etc. Refer to Gal1:9
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 THE TEMPORAL POWERS WERE COMMANDED BY POPE TO KILL PROTESTANTS. FACT. ROMAN PREISTS MERCIFULLY TORE YOUR FLESH, BROKE YOUR BONES AND BURN YOU ALIVE.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@CP:
That's a load of crap. You simpletons are somethiing else. You have no clue what ur even writing about. You go by what ur preacher Maynerd (or Ricky-Bobby) says, & even HE doesnt have a clue. You make stuff up and you have nothing to substantiate what u write
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT SPECIFIED ? I WILL GLADLY OBLIGE.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 IF ROME HAD THE CHANCE AGAIN IT WOULD KILL ALL PROTESTANTS IN THE NAME OF CHRIST.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@CP:
My simpleness, why dont you google "The Great Heresies", and see what you come up with..?
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 IS THE BIBLE THE WORD OF GOD AND SUPREME OR THE TRADITIONS OF THE ROMAN CURIA
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@CP:
Why would I want you to give me what the bible says when you dont know the Bible, from where the Bible came, which books were omitted from it, you dont follow it, you dont know that none of the apostles preached a written gospel, you dont know that Jesus began His Church and ordained the apostles as the 1st BISHOPS of The Church, and Peter oversaw the Church. (Read what he says in Acts15:7), and on & on..in short, you're this little gnome clanging a cymbal looking for attention
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 NO, I CAN SEE WHY YOU WOULD NOT WISH TO DISCUSS THE FACTS BUT OFFER INSULTS INSTEAD.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@CP:
I dont offer insults. I concur with Peter's words in 2Pet1:20, 3:16 "There's NO part of scripture for private interpetation" (What protestants do).. and the simple & the Unlearned DISTORT the scriptures to their own destruction"
CP, the assembly you belong to, though well intentioned, is NOT The Church of the BIble. This very institution by Christ, with ALL authority, chose the books to make up the BIble, i.e to compile the Bible as guided by GOD, and omit other books.
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 SO ONLY ROMANS WHERE PRESENT AT THE COUNCIL OF NICEA ?
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@CP:
What's this "Romans" crap? You mean the Bishops of The Church? Well, the Bishops of the Church had a Council at Nicea b/c heresies were floating around even in the early days. They basically convened to give the doctrines and beliefs of the Church
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 ALL THE CHURCHES INCLUDING JERUSALEM, ANTIOCH, ALEXADRIA, CONSTANTINOPLE AND ROME SENT REPRESENTATIVES.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@CP, yes and they were in obedience to the Bishops. Paul states in his letters, "Im sending so & so".. it's either a priest or a Bishop aready ordained. Read Acts. They ordain Bishops (elders) & priests by the laying on of hands.
"Younger, SUBMIT yourselves to the elder (Bishop), and I who too am an elder.." 1Pt5:1-5, 2:25
"Be obedient to them who RULE for they watch your souls & must give an account" Heb13:17
"know that the elders [Bishops] the RULE well are worthy of double HONOR" 1Tim5:17
Stinger4186 11 months ago
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@Stinger4186 PETER ACTUALLY SAYS " KNOWING THIS FIRST, THAT NO PROPHECY OF THE SCRIPTURE IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION. FOR THE PROPHECY CAME NOT IN OLD TIME BY THE WILL OF MAN; BUT HOLY MEN OF GOD SPAKE AS THEY WERE MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST. NOW WHO'S BEING A PHARISEE.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 I THINK YOU WILL FIND PETER SAYS " KNOWING THIS FIRST, THAT NO PROPHECY OF THE SCRIPTURE IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION. FOR THE PROPHECY CAME NOT IN OLD TIME BY THE WILL OF MAN; BUT HOLY MEN OF GOD SPAKE AS THEY WERE MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST . NOW WHO'S BEING A PHARISEE.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 WHAT IS MORE YOU COMPLETELY MISS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST. YOU PLACE YOUR AUTHORITY IN MEN AND NOT IN GOD.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@CP:
Stop wasting my time. Jesus said: "He who does NOT HEAR 'THE CHURCH', let him be as a HEATHEN AND A PUBLICAN.. what you BIND on earth is BOUND in heaven" Mt18:17-18... Also, "The CHURCH is the pillar and foundation of TRUTH" 1Tim3;15
Stinger4186 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 JESUS SAID " I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE, NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME " ONLY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST SAVES.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 JESUS SAID " I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME " ONLY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST SAVES.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 DENYING THE TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE INTO ANY OTHER LANGUAGE THAN LATIN. A BOOK WRITTEN IN GREEK AND HEBREW.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@Stinger4186 WHAT ON EARTH HAS THE FACT THAT PETER AND PAUL WERE CRUCIFIED UPSIDE DOWN HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ?
" YOU SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS " HOW DO YOU THINK OUR LORD VIEWS THE HORRORS ROME HAS INFLICTED IN LIGHT OF THIS PRINCIPLE.
ChristianPatriarchy 11 months ago
@CP: Irenaeus never denied Peter's primacy to the Chair. Look, Jesus GAVE Peter the Keys. When Matt wrote his gosp he used the 2 pers singular of "you" in "Peter I give YOU the Keys", he did NOT write it in the 2nd pers plural meaning all of em. When Irenaeus makes this comment of Linus, Linus DID ascend to the office of