Even if this effect were true, and not just a reversal of the film.entrophy was not defied. 1st law of thermodynamics: work = energy and energy = work.The second that the box was lifted into the air, work was being done (heat), the shaking of the box required muscles to be used, burning calories (heat), the marbles rolling in the box created friction (heat). Heat increases entrophy, ergo, entrophy wasn't defied.
Ever watch Mythbusters where the two guys start with mixed up rubic's cubes, are blindfolded, one uses his feet, and both solve it in a few seconds? If not check it out, then get back to me and tell me this entropy video isn't done the same way.
@UnderManiac im not sure what this or entropy has to do with a rubix cube. the cube is solved using an algorithm.
again, i think you may be overlooking the simple fact that regardless of whether or not the marbles arrange themselves, genuinely (fair exp.) or because of different sized marbles/densities, or even a reverse video.
the seperation of distinguishable marbles DOES NOT defy entropy. it is statistically improbable, but given enough time, like shuffling a deck of cards...
Obviously reversed. There are similar experiments done going forward that CAN achieve similar results. Take a large bag of different sized spheres (bb's, marbles, baseballs, golf balls, etc) and shake it up really well. The bottom should have the smallest spheres and at the top should be the bigger spheres. That's not entropy at work though, that's statistics. Bags of chips do the same thing with chips on top and crumbs on bottom.
the thermodynamics you are refering to applies to a closed system. observing a bag of chips or different sized balls is not a closed system.
if that bag were the only thing in existence, then maybe, or if it were sealed in a box that nothing could get through, eg sound, light, heat, etc etc.
entropy of the UNIVERSE (the system) will increase in all cases...of course schrodingers cat raises its head...or does it?.
@daenumen What I'm discussing does not occur because of the 2nd law of thermo. This is strictly a statistics thing. When you gauge the spaces between the large spheres, the small spheres statistically will pass through whereas the space between the small spheres is too small for the large spheres to pass through. I'm well aware of the thermodynamics of the 2nd law as having studied it in college. In this case, it is because of statistics, not because of the 2nd law of thermo.
the statistics you speak of are non-sensical, or a limiting approximation.
if i have two spheres next to each other, a ball with a greater momentum than the combined momentum of the two balls can pass between those two balls.
so as far as i am concerned what you suggest here is not valid.
the 2nd law IS ALWAYS VALID. IT IS A UNIVERSAL LAW OF THE UNIVERSE.
@daenumen But you're correct, if I add kinetic energy (shaking the bag) to the system, most of that will increase entropy by turning that kinetic energy to thermal energy which cannot be used for work. The entropy goes up. My only point is the fact they separate out is because of statistics.
@Ripley747 your determination of their change in seperation is a statistical calculation yes. the phenomena governing this change is governed by the second law of thermodynamics.
@daenumen And that fundamental law doesn't apply to economics or music theory. The 2nd law is used to calculate the reversability of chemical reactions, the direction and magnitude of flow of heat in a system, the equilibrium point in some thermo systems, steam engine calculations, etc. That's why I laugh when people use it to disprove evolution. It doesn't apply. There is negligible heat flow when shaking a bag. It's statistics driven not thermo driven. Trust me.
@Ripley747 the second law will apply to music theory, just not largely applicably so. the phenomena will express itself in economics such as inflation, ie money always depreciates, if not because of an increase in money, because of goods value increasing...
i can see the argument, if DNA was closed system then sequential logical evolution is impossible given the second law, especially without the majority eg 99.9999% of a species population being genetically inviable, ie will not survive
@Ripley747 also, i hope you are not implying that 'evolution theory' in any way undermines god?
for one: evolution AS A PHENOMENA has not been conclusively found/proven
and evolution theory (containing natural selection, genetic drift, and evolution as its three constituent phenomena that it describes) was largely composed by god-fearing scientists, not relgious leaders...
and yes atheism is a religion: a belief that their is no diety. (a lack of belief is not a viable stance).
@daenumen Have you even studied the 2nd law? The 2nd law is
dS/dt > 0 where dS = dQ/T, but this ONLY applies to closed systems.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Music theory? Seriously? It doesn't apply to evolution, but prove me wrong. Do the math and show me exactly how. Describe Q and T and show how it would apply in the universe (closed system).
I'm not Atheist so don't even go there. If you study the 2nd law, you'll see how rediculous you sound.
@Ripley747 firstly: dS is CLASSICALLY defined for a specific (mechanical) system as dQ/T, statistical thermodynamics defines a different expression for dS.
so no, i know more about it than you. and these are simple basics...
if you are looking at the science of music theory, ie sound etc, then yes, the time evolution of a sound will obey the second law (at approximation).
the universe (or part of) approximates well to a closed system, with entropy increasing. again basic classical therm
@daenumen And I never said I was atheist. I never brought religion into it. Did I even say anything about evolution disproving God? Why pull out the religion card? How is the event of separations NOT applicable to statistics? Evolution is fact, deal with it. 2nd law is a mathematical express which, hate to say it, is determined by statistics so you saying the 2nd law applies to bags of chips but statistics doesn't demonstrates how little you know about what you're talking about.
@Ripley747 no, im sorry please read up on EVOLUTION THEORY, and appreciate the difference between 'EVOLUTION THEORY' and the phenomena 'GENETIC-DRIFT' 'NATURAL-SELECTION' and 'EVOLUTION'.
statistics can describe vitually any system, we can either model a system with statistics if we know what effects are occuring eg sand in a gravitational field, or we can observe a system and resolve some 'laws' of that system from statistical interpretation of data.
@daenumen Wow. The stupid! It burns! While it's true I don't hold a PhD in evolutionary biology, but I do know what genetic drift, natural selection and evolution are.
@Ripley747 right...im glad you know the differences between "genetic drift, natural selection and evolution " and i hope you will appreciate that unlike the two others in that bunch, evolution still is unproven.
of course evolution certainly doesnt disprove god, though it would disprove 'the modern adapted biblical creation story'.
@Ripley747 look i wont argue this, pick up a book:
Statistics is the science of the collection, organization, and interpretation of data.[
Entropy is a thermodynamic property that is a measure of the energy not available for work in a thermodynamic process. -- It is defined by the second law of thermodynamics.
A phenomenon is any observable occurrence
A property of an object is some intrinsic or extrinsic quality of that object
@daenumen Entropy is a measure of the state which energy exists in a system. I'm sorry, no entropy in music theory (I'm not talking the science). I know some musicians and none of them have taken thermo. Statistics is used everything from quantum mechanics to business. You can use 2nd law to calculate the reversability of chemical reactions. I've done these calculations. It's not used to calculate stock market prices nor is it used to calculate buildings being erected from a pile of wood.
@Ripley747 the phenomena refered to as entropy is fundamentally important for anything happening in any system, ie sound waves propogating through air, or the causes of the timbre and hence texture of a musical piece.
as i said 1 day ago "the second law will apply to music theory, just not largely applicably so", clearly your friend didnt study a combined degree then, unlike many others...so continuing this with what a friend of yours knows is completely irrelevant.
@Ripley747 yeh you still are not listening, i defined these terms in my last posts.
"Statistics is the science of the collection, organization, and interpretation of data.[
Entropy is a thermodynamic property that is a measure of the energy not available for work in a thermodynamic process. -- It is defined by the second law of thermodynamics."
@daenumen My whole point is you can achieve separation like what he's showing (albeit different circumstances). However, the reason why the balls tend to separate out is not because you're violating the 2nd law. It's because you can statistically predict the path of each ball. More of a cool fact rather than a troll starting a debate with a creationist. This video was obviously reversed and thus is in no violation of the 2nd law. Is it really that big of an issue for you? Really?
@Ripley747 ugh...well sure you can 'CALCULATE' or 'INTERPRET' the video using statistics...
the balls are not made of 'STATISTICS' nor does it cause the balls to move or change direction...
ugh...talking of stupidity, i clearly stated that this video DOES NOT VIOLATE THE SECOND LAW, and obeys it WITH THE VIDEO BEING TAKEN AS IT IS SHOWN, IE NOT REVERSED.
reversing the video, yes, would APPEAR to be a violation of the second law.
@Ripley747 "However, the reason why the balls tend to separate out is not because you're violating the 2nd law. It's because you can statistically predict the path of each ball."
so no, you have got the second law wrong, and you are trying to EXPLAIN THE CAUSE as statistics, instead of INTERPRETING THE CAUSE VIA STATISTICS.
@UnderManiac you could also simply explain it by the marbles themselves. having had quite a collection of marbles as a child i was aware that different coloured marbles usually also are different in size also. if you have different materials that are mixed, the 'ordering' of the 'types' eg sugar and sand will appear to reorder themselves under gravity; a slight tilt of the box.
however, and this is critical to understand, the system is not closed ie the universe still increases in entropy.
@UnderManiac since the position of the balls, or mixture of sugar and sand is reversible, (breaking a glass would be irreversible in the classroom, of course you could melt it down and get a glass back) entropy and disorder of the system will still increase. all of the noise, heat from friction etc still must go somewhere.
if the box were completely isolated, and heat were visible to the eye, the box would fill with those as the distinguishable particles reordered.
@UnderManiac i do however see what you are saying about playing the video backwards, and may explain why there is no sound. still it certainly isnt impossible for the distinguishable marbles to reorder themselves as they have.
to understand it via statistics, there are a whole host of possible 'microstates' (or positional arrangements) each frame shows one microstate if you like. each are accessible. even in a room of air it isnt impossible (highly improbable) the molecules would do the same.
@daenumen I can understand the statistics behind this, but statistics would state that the possibility of defying entropy in this video is astronomically high. I'm one who also had marbles in my youth. Studying these marbles would lend most people to see that they are of the same mass or density and size, so a true mixture should occur, not separation. Not only do these particular marbles sort themselves out, but they go to their respective sides, leaving a gap between them.
@UnderManiac well our experiences differ. i knew marbles of different colours to be different sizes. i could not speak for the density, though some have air bubbles etc, so in terms of the total density of the body, they certainly do vary. as do marbles from different manufacturers. even within a type of marble, the sizes often varied somewhat.
when the box is put down, the center of the box, which will dip under the weight of the marbles will be flattened and push them out from the centre.
@UnderManiac ...within a trillion shuffles, or 1trillion microstates, one of which is the ascending rank suit ordered arrangement.
perhaps you are confusing entropy with accessible microstates. the final microstate shown in the video is not blocked out because of the initial disordered state. it is as likely as any other 'single' state.
i will point out that the orange marbles order along the side opposite the hand lifting the box, which does support that the orange marbles are heavier.
@daenumen I don't know why you are trying to support the video as it is. The fact remains that the video was played back in reverse. This does not show entropy or the lack of it. I am not disputing the idea that, one in over a trillion trials would give this exact result, however, I am disputing the validity of this video as it stands. It is obvious that the person making the video made it in reverse. Do I have to download it, put it back in proper sequence and re-post it to show you?
@UnderManiac thats for a deck of cards 52 distinguishable cards 1 ordering. the probability of this happening with the marbles is much much much greater.
why are you disputing the video as a fake? we both know that even if it isnt fake, it still doesnt violate the laws!
your dispute is of the description, not the video itself. you could do that, if you liked, and that is the only proof you can produce if it should look 'more normal' played in reverse...(i unfortunately havent got the soft)
@daenumen Take a look at the video again. Watch the marbles carefully at the beginning (between 3 and 4 seconds in). The marbles move before he moves the container. Plus the guy didn't lift the container from the table top. This wouldn't account for the separation at the end (or should I say the beginning)
@UnderManiac the initial motion looks like the motion i would expect to see if the box were lifted slightly from the surface of the table, with the marbles gathering in the centre of the box, where the base dips under the weight of the marbles.
the marbles blue in particular opposite his thumb moves yet remains in contact with the marble next to it (transference of force as in newtons cradle, or a disturbed liquid.)
if you can i would like to see the video in reverse.
@UnderManiac im certainly not denying this is improbable, but without actually comparing the video in reverse, its hard to say. the thumb movements, grabbing and letting go do not look reversed.
@daenumen I have reversed the entropy video and have reposted it here as a video reply. My challenge to you is to watch my video carefully, then watch the entropy video carefully. You could do so several times to make a good comparison. The movement of the marbles at the beginning and the end, the movement of the thumb, look a lot more natural in my reversed video, but focus on the marbles. The box doesn't appear to be lifted from the table top in any case.
@UnderManiac i do honestly respect your argument, it is quite possible that the video was reversed. even if it wasnt, as ive said numerous times before, the result is possible though improbable without some bias in the system.
if you look at the shadow on the side of the box that is touched, the box is distorted from its original shape.
the only discrepancy with the reversed video i can see is at 0.32, the orange marble near the thumb spontaneously reverses direction...
@daenumen And that's the telling sign that the video is reversed and that the marbles did not defy entropy.
I do understand what you're saying though that it is not impossible for it to happen, but is is in the highest degree possible improbable to have it happen, and catch it on video when it does. We're talking the law of averages here. The possibility of it happening as in the original video is astronomical.
@daenumen so unless you can explain why the marble at 0.32 on the video you reversed changes direction without contacting another marble (whereas in the original video above, the marble initially is in contact with the side of the box, pushes off the side of the box, hits a marble and moves) or the side of the box, the original video is correct and most likely the orange marbles are heavier than the blue ones.
even with a bending of the box, it would change direction on a flat...
@daenumen ...ie where the box curves upwards near the thumb, if the box were lifted, then as the box is put down, the ball reverses its momentum to travel back along the newly flattened part of the box.
@Featherwings Lol it might work my way though. You're right, the marbles start moving before he shakes it. However, even if this video was real it doesn't have anything to do with entropy in the first place.
@Tbone155817 well, yeah...anyone who ACTUALLY knows what entropy is knows better...
but I have a feeling that if someone thinks they can post a video like this and not be shamed in front of the entire internet, they're unlikely to know what entropy ACTUALLY is...
Nothing defying entropy here. Even if the video isn't being played backwards, you're putting energy into the system. Entropy needs a closed system. Sorry, physics fail.
While he may have just run the film backwards, it should be noted: There is no law of physics which prevents this from happening. And in fact it can happen. But it's nothing special; even if these marbles did defy entropy, the amount of entropy in the universe never shrinks.
obviously not defying entropy because your putting energy into the system by shaking it i could move the marbles by hand and place them in groups does that mean they defy entropy no that means i'm putting in energy and arranging them
It's how MARBLES ARE MADE. It's how YOUR TRASH IS SORTED. Most depressingly, I can only assume none of the physics experts who have posted comments about "sheer probability" and "intelligently chosen" stop times have ever used a little device called a CENTRIFUGE.
OTOH, you are right that this has nothing to do with entropy. It is a simple physical process. It is how SAND is sorted into columns and layers. I never post, because you expect Youtubers to be off base, but not sci students/experts.
I am both amused and appalled to see the sheer number of erudite and seemingly informed comments from (presumably) physics students claiming this is fake. I weep for the new generation. First off, the cam is shaky, not the marbles themselves. Look at the lone marble top right as a reference point and you will see the entire camera frame shakes. The relative position remains the same. more important, this isnt even an experiment. It is a SIMPLE PRINCIPLE OF PHYSICS. called a SHAKING TABLE.
The problem with your little experament is that entropy is not a prodiction. Remember, we are talking about order coming out of a chaotic system. The marbels did exactly what they should have done. Remember Heisenberg... By observing things change. By disproving, you have proven.
I agree, but too many posters are ignoring the fact that this is a common physics "novelty" experiment used to demonstrate how sand separates into layers. it's how centrifuges work, etc.
OK, I had to look it up. It's called PACKING THEORY.
My last comment was in reply to Geekpower, who said something sensible. :-)
Actually, it's not packing theory per se, that's geometry. it has to do with the precipitation of objects by weight and volume/density.
The concept of self-separating dissimilar objects under an outside force is pretty darn simple and that's what this vid was intended to show. It's not aesthetics or color, it's not thermodynamics, it's size and weight.
this has nothing to do with entropy. what really hurts is that people may watch this video and actually think that this has something to do with thermodynamics.
1. order has very little to do with aesthetics
2. not a closed system
i know this is nitpicking, but entropy is important and vastly misunderstood.
@backseatjesus of course it has something to do with thermodynamics. it's the same principle as entropy, plus thermodynamics does not need a closed system to work. it's just in reverse.
well, I agree to point two; however point one applies because thermodynamics is linked to probability and a "mixed state" is far more probable than this quite separated state. I think, the point is, they gave the marbles not enough space. It's movement is more compared to some kind of laminar flow than brown movement. If they used a large bowl and shook it wildly I could bet, that then they got mixed.
@backseatjesus im sorry but i dont accept the first point you make:
1. order is important when considering the entropy of the system from a microscopic perspective.
i agree with the second point.
2. the system is not closed.
however i will also add this:
3. the system is more ordered initially than finally. although holding a 'freeze frame' it 'looks' like its more ordered (which i think was largely intentional) at the end of the video it is less ordered. again --> refer to 2.
theoretically, this could happen: two kinds of marbles, one heavier, one lighter, moving it around would mimic a centrifuge and order them. But it's not a closed system so the 2nd law doesn't apply.
Wow not only do they move to order. But they also seem to anticipate which way he will shake the box. They move in the direction he wants before he shakes it. Amazing! This isn't entropy its sentiant marbles! Or it was filmed backwards.
Wow now that was cool!!! I'm curious to see what would happen if there were 141 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of them...I bet it would be the same result! I'm smart!
its funny! and nice try but the motion of the marbles precedes the motion of the box which should be the other way around if it was not filmed backwards. watch how during the shaking the marbles move the direction he wants them to go before he moves the box.
Very clever but clearly running backwards! If you could immediately stop the marbles from moving at the end of the agitation it would look much more convincing. XD
why u do this? play it backwards and clam u did something big, didnt u know you wold get busted? the marble move before you move, your moving counter clockwise which is odd for a righty, and the way you grab the box looks strange as well, the grip looks like a glitch, anyone else agree?
no one writes perfectly online like the way you put your punctuation marks together!! So you go learn how to throw an actual insult. Oh, and Thank You.
Lol its reversed. Watch what happens when he puts his hand on the box. The marbles 'start' moving before any shaking occurs. Of course, it makes sense if you look at it backwards: they're actually slowing down from all the shaking beforehand.
Hey, birds of a feather, they flock in quantum waves of feel-good, man. And, like, they help each other with problems and stuff. It's all love, man, all about the love...(sniff)
only in closed systems the entropy will rise... and your box with marbels aint a closed system... even earth is no closed system it is powerd by the sun... fuck the damn creationists doomsday get my gun
It would be cooler if you made a video of you swallowing the marbles and then shitting them out into your toilet. That would be more entertaining than this dribble.
Even if this effect were true, and not just a reversal of the film.entrophy was not defied. 1st law of thermodynamics: work = energy and energy = work.The second that the box was lifted into the air, work was being done (heat), the shaking of the box required muscles to be used, burning calories (heat), the marbles rolling in the box created friction (heat). Heat increases entrophy, ergo, entrophy wasn't defied.
eidolonproject 7 months ago 3
ok so wat the fuck am i suposed to be watchin
andyhasel1998 8 months ago
OMG this proves evolution correct and true
isrealjason 8 months ago
the marbles started moving before he started shaking the box... 0:04
ohcram22 9 months ago
...even if he did this forwards it's possible in a thing known as the Brazil Nut Effect.
JohnnyTakeAll 9 months ago
You're an ass.
hadokn 10 months ago
Lol its kinda obvious when the marbles start moving before he even shakes/touches it.
D4rkSilhouette 10 months ago
A very experienced shaker indeed.
bwnsaj 10 months ago
ynnuf os si sihT
GR1o6180339887498948 11 months ago
I tink i jus lost my marbles
wordreet 11 months ago
Come on guy. You reversed the video.
UnderManiac 1 year ago
Ever watch Mythbusters where the two guys start with mixed up rubic's cubes, are blindfolded, one uses his feet, and both solve it in a few seconds? If not check it out, then get back to me and tell me this entropy video isn't done the same way.
UnderManiac 1 year ago
@UnderManiac im not sure what this or entropy has to do with a rubix cube. the cube is solved using an algorithm.
again, i think you may be overlooking the simple fact that regardless of whether or not the marbles arrange themselves, genuinely (fair exp.) or because of different sized marbles/densities, or even a reverse video.
the seperation of distinguishable marbles DOES NOT defy entropy. it is statistically improbable, but given enough time, like shuffling a deck of cards...
daenumen 1 year ago
im dizzy
MrViikid 1 year ago
Backwards video is backwards! :O
Zidana123 1 year ago
its reversed, you can see it at 0:04 when the marbels move for no reason
wariokid244 1 year ago
Obviously reversed. There are similar experiments done going forward that CAN achieve similar results. Take a large bag of different sized spheres (bb's, marbles, baseballs, golf balls, etc) and shake it up really well. The bottom should have the smallest spheres and at the top should be the bigger spheres. That's not entropy at work though, that's statistics. Bags of chips do the same thing with chips on top and crumbs on bottom.
Ripley747 1 year ago
@Ripley747 in reply and also to make clear:
the thermodynamics you are refering to applies to a closed system. observing a bag of chips or different sized balls is not a closed system.
if that bag were the only thing in existence, then maybe, or if it were sealed in a box that nothing could get through, eg sound, light, heat, etc etc.
entropy of the UNIVERSE (the system) will increase in all cases...of course schrodingers cat raises its head...or does it?.
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen What I'm discussing does not occur because of the 2nd law of thermo. This is strictly a statistics thing. When you gauge the spaces between the large spheres, the small spheres statistically will pass through whereas the space between the small spheres is too small for the large spheres to pass through. I'm well aware of the thermodynamics of the 2nd law as having studied it in college. In this case, it is because of statistics, not because of the 2nd law of thermo.
Ripley747 1 year ago
@Ripley747 no it is governed by the 2nd law.
the statistics you speak of are non-sensical, or a limiting approximation.
if i have two spheres next to each other, a ball with a greater momentum than the combined momentum of the two balls can pass between those two balls.
so as far as i am concerned what you suggest here is not valid.
the 2nd law IS ALWAYS VALID. IT IS A UNIVERSAL LAW OF THE UNIVERSE.
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen But you're correct, if I add kinetic energy (shaking the bag) to the system, most of that will increase entropy by turning that kinetic energy to thermal energy which cannot be used for work. The entropy goes up. My only point is the fact they separate out is because of statistics.
Ripley747 1 year ago
@Ripley747 your determination of their change in seperation is a statistical calculation yes. the phenomena governing this change is governed by the second law of thermodynamics.
it is a FUNDAMENTAL LAW.
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen And that fundamental law doesn't apply to economics or music theory. The 2nd law is used to calculate the reversability of chemical reactions, the direction and magnitude of flow of heat in a system, the equilibrium point in some thermo systems, steam engine calculations, etc. That's why I laugh when people use it to disprove evolution. It doesn't apply. There is negligible heat flow when shaking a bag. It's statistics driven not thermo driven. Trust me.
Ripley747 1 year ago
@Ripley747 the second law will apply to music theory, just not largely applicably so. the phenomena will express itself in economics such as inflation, ie money always depreciates, if not because of an increase in money, because of goods value increasing...
i can see the argument, if DNA was closed system then sequential logical evolution is impossible given the second law, especially without the majority eg 99.9999% of a species population being genetically inviable, ie will not survive
daenumen 1 year ago
@Ripley747 it cannot be 'statistics driven'. statistics is a mathematical approach to finding a number scale that relates to real events...
increasing entropy is the law that describes the PHENOMENA, that the statistics of statistical thermodynamics describes.
"Statistics is the science of the collection, organization, and interpretation of data." its not a fundamental of nature...
you seem intelligent, dont let this be your failing.
daenumen 1 year ago
@Ripley747 also, i hope you are not implying that 'evolution theory' in any way undermines god?
for one: evolution AS A PHENOMENA has not been conclusively found/proven
and evolution theory (containing natural selection, genetic drift, and evolution as its three constituent phenomena that it describes) was largely composed by god-fearing scientists, not relgious leaders...
and yes atheism is a religion: a belief that their is no diety. (a lack of belief is not a viable stance).
daenumen 1 year ago
@Ripley747
daenumen 1 year ago
@Ripley747 sorry vvvv 2nd law DEFINES the PHENOMENA statistics DESCRIBES the phenomena.
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen Have you even studied the 2nd law? The 2nd law is
dS/dt > 0 where dS = dQ/T, but this ONLY applies to closed systems.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Music theory? Seriously? It doesn't apply to evolution, but prove me wrong. Do the math and show me exactly how. Describe Q and T and show how it would apply in the universe (closed system).
I'm not Atheist so don't even go there. If you study the 2nd law, you'll see how rediculous you sound.
Ripley747 1 year ago
@Ripley747 firstly: dS is CLASSICALLY defined for a specific (mechanical) system as dQ/T, statistical thermodynamics defines a different expression for dS.
so no, i know more about it than you. and these are simple basics...
if you are looking at the science of music theory, ie sound etc, then yes, the time evolution of a sound will obey the second law (at approximation).
the universe (or part of) approximates well to a closed system, with entropy increasing. again basic classical therm
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen And I never said I was atheist. I never brought religion into it. Did I even say anything about evolution disproving God? Why pull out the religion card? How is the event of separations NOT applicable to statistics? Evolution is fact, deal with it. 2nd law is a mathematical express which, hate to say it, is determined by statistics so you saying the 2nd law applies to bags of chips but statistics doesn't demonstrates how little you know about what you're talking about.
Ripley747 1 year ago
@Ripley747 no, im sorry please read up on EVOLUTION THEORY, and appreciate the difference between 'EVOLUTION THEORY' and the phenomena 'GENETIC-DRIFT' 'NATURAL-SELECTION' and 'EVOLUTION'.
statistics can describe vitually any system, we can either model a system with statistics if we know what effects are occuring eg sand in a gravitational field, or we can observe a system and resolve some 'laws' of that system from statistical interpretation of data.
the phenomena is not 'statistical'.
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen Wow. The stupid! It burns! While it's true I don't hold a PhD in evolutionary biology, but I do know what genetic drift, natural selection and evolution are.
Ripley747 1 year ago
@Ripley747 right...im glad you know the differences between "genetic drift, natural selection and evolution " and i hope you will appreciate that unlike the two others in that bunch, evolution still is unproven.
of course evolution certainly doesnt disprove god, though it would disprove 'the modern adapted biblical creation story'.
daenumen 1 year ago
@Ripley747 look i wont argue this, pick up a book:
Statistics is the science of the collection, organization, and interpretation of data.[
Entropy is a thermodynamic property that is a measure of the energy not available for work in a thermodynamic process. -- It is defined by the second law of thermodynamics.
A phenomenon is any observable occurrence
A property of an object is some intrinsic or extrinsic quality of that object
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen Entropy is a measure of the state which energy exists in a system. I'm sorry, no entropy in music theory (I'm not talking the science). I know some musicians and none of them have taken thermo. Statistics is used everything from quantum mechanics to business. You can use 2nd law to calculate the reversability of chemical reactions. I've done these calculations. It's not used to calculate stock market prices nor is it used to calculate buildings being erected from a pile of wood.
Ripley747 1 year ago
@Ripley747 the phenomena refered to as entropy is fundamentally important for anything happening in any system, ie sound waves propogating through air, or the causes of the timbre and hence texture of a musical piece.
as i said 1 day ago "the second law will apply to music theory, just not largely applicably so", clearly your friend didnt study a combined degree then, unlike many others...so continuing this with what a friend of yours knows is completely irrelevant.
daenumen 1 year ago
@Ripley747 yeh you still are not listening, i defined these terms in my last posts.
"Statistics is the science of the collection, organization, and interpretation of data.[
Entropy is a thermodynamic property that is a measure of the energy not available for work in a thermodynamic process. -- It is defined by the second law of thermodynamics."
are you just looking for an argument?
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen My whole point is you can achieve separation like what he's showing (albeit different circumstances). However, the reason why the balls tend to separate out is not because you're violating the 2nd law. It's because you can statistically predict the path of each ball. More of a cool fact rather than a troll starting a debate with a creationist. This video was obviously reversed and thus is in no violation of the 2nd law. Is it really that big of an issue for you? Really?
Ripley747 1 year ago
@Ripley747 ugh...well sure you can 'CALCULATE' or 'INTERPRET' the video using statistics...
the balls are not made of 'STATISTICS' nor does it cause the balls to move or change direction...
ugh...talking of stupidity, i clearly stated that this video DOES NOT VIOLATE THE SECOND LAW, and obeys it WITH THE VIDEO BEING TAKEN AS IT IS SHOWN, IE NOT REVERSED.
reversing the video, yes, would APPEAR to be a violation of the second law.
so no, no issue for me...at all!
daenumen 1 year ago
@Ripley747 "However, the reason why the balls tend to separate out is not because you're violating the 2nd law. It's because you can statistically predict the path of each ball."
so no, you have got the second law wrong, and you are trying to EXPLAIN THE CAUSE as statistics, instead of INTERPRETING THE CAUSE VIA STATISTICS.
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen How about running the video backwards. Would explain it a lot better. Watch it again expecting that it is done backwards. You'll see it.
UnderManiac 1 year ago
@UnderManiac you could also simply explain it by the marbles themselves. having had quite a collection of marbles as a child i was aware that different coloured marbles usually also are different in size also. if you have different materials that are mixed, the 'ordering' of the 'types' eg sugar and sand will appear to reorder themselves under gravity; a slight tilt of the box.
however, and this is critical to understand, the system is not closed ie the universe still increases in entropy.
daenumen 1 year ago
@UnderManiac since the position of the balls, or mixture of sugar and sand is reversible, (breaking a glass would be irreversible in the classroom, of course you could melt it down and get a glass back) entropy and disorder of the system will still increase. all of the noise, heat from friction etc still must go somewhere.
if the box were completely isolated, and heat were visible to the eye, the box would fill with those as the distinguishable particles reordered.
it isnt a violation.
daenumen 1 year ago
@UnderManiac i do however see what you are saying about playing the video backwards, and may explain why there is no sound. still it certainly isnt impossible for the distinguishable marbles to reorder themselves as they have.
to understand it via statistics, there are a whole host of possible 'microstates' (or positional arrangements) each frame shows one microstate if you like. each are accessible. even in a room of air it isnt impossible (highly improbable) the molecules would do the same.
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen I can understand the statistics behind this, but statistics would state that the possibility of defying entropy in this video is astronomically high. I'm one who also had marbles in my youth. Studying these marbles would lend most people to see that they are of the same mass or density and size, so a true mixture should occur, not separation. Not only do these particular marbles sort themselves out, but they go to their respective sides, leaving a gap between them.
UnderManiac 1 year ago
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daenumen 1 year ago
@UnderManiac well our experiences differ. i knew marbles of different colours to be different sizes. i could not speak for the density, though some have air bubbles etc, so in terms of the total density of the body, they certainly do vary. as do marbles from different manufacturers. even within a type of marble, the sizes often varied somewhat.
when the box is put down, the center of the box, which will dip under the weight of the marbles will be flattened and push them out from the centre.
daenumen 1 year ago
@UnderManiac ...within a trillion shuffles, or 1trillion microstates, one of which is the ascending rank suit ordered arrangement.
perhaps you are confusing entropy with accessible microstates. the final microstate shown in the video is not blocked out because of the initial disordered state. it is as likely as any other 'single' state.
i will point out that the orange marbles order along the side opposite the hand lifting the box, which does support that the orange marbles are heavier.
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen I don't know why you are trying to support the video as it is. The fact remains that the video was played back in reverse. This does not show entropy or the lack of it. I am not disputing the idea that, one in over a trillion trials would give this exact result, however, I am disputing the validity of this video as it stands. It is obvious that the person making the video made it in reverse. Do I have to download it, put it back in proper sequence and re-post it to show you?
UnderManiac 1 year ago
@UnderManiac thats for a deck of cards 52 distinguishable cards 1 ordering. the probability of this happening with the marbles is much much much greater.
why are you disputing the video as a fake? we both know that even if it isnt fake, it still doesnt violate the laws!
your dispute is of the description, not the video itself. you could do that, if you liked, and that is the only proof you can produce if it should look 'more normal' played in reverse...(i unfortunately havent got the soft)
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen Take a look at the video again. Watch the marbles carefully at the beginning (between 3 and 4 seconds in). The marbles move before he moves the container. Plus the guy didn't lift the container from the table top. This wouldn't account for the separation at the end (or should I say the beginning)
UnderManiac 1 year ago
@UnderManiac the initial motion looks like the motion i would expect to see if the box were lifted slightly from the surface of the table, with the marbles gathering in the centre of the box, where the base dips under the weight of the marbles.
the marbles blue in particular opposite his thumb moves yet remains in contact with the marble next to it (transference of force as in newtons cradle, or a disturbed liquid.)
if you can i would like to see the video in reverse.
daenumen 1 year ago
@UnderManiac im certainly not denying this is improbable, but without actually comparing the video in reverse, its hard to say. the thumb movements, grabbing and letting go do not look reversed.
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen I have reversed the entropy video and have reposted it here as a video reply. My challenge to you is to watch my video carefully, then watch the entropy video carefully. You could do so several times to make a good comparison. The movement of the marbles at the beginning and the end, the movement of the thumb, look a lot more natural in my reversed video, but focus on the marbles. The box doesn't appear to be lifted from the table top in any case.
UnderManiac 1 year ago
@UnderManiac i do honestly respect your argument, it is quite possible that the video was reversed. even if it wasnt, as ive said numerous times before, the result is possible though improbable without some bias in the system.
if you look at the shadow on the side of the box that is touched, the box is distorted from its original shape.
the only discrepancy with the reversed video i can see is at 0.32, the orange marble near the thumb spontaneously reverses direction...
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen And that's the telling sign that the video is reversed and that the marbles did not defy entropy.
I do understand what you're saying though that it is not impossible for it to happen, but is is in the highest degree possible improbable to have it happen, and catch it on video when it does. We're talking the law of averages here. The possibility of it happening as in the original video is astronomical.
UnderManiac 1 year ago
@UnderManiac the only discrepancy with the reversed video i can see is at 0.32, the orange marble near the thumb spontaneously reverses direction...
otherwise we agree that the laws are not violated by either video. the above point renders the video you reversed questionable.
daenumen 1 year ago
@UnderManiac i accidently posted some messages ment for you to myself. vv
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen so unless you can explain why the marble at 0.32 on the video you reversed changes direction without contacting another marble (whereas in the original video above, the marble initially is in contact with the side of the box, pushes off the side of the box, hits a marble and moves) or the side of the box, the original video is correct and most likely the orange marbles are heavier than the blue ones.
even with a bending of the box, it would change direction on a flat...
daenumen 1 year ago
@daenumen ...ie where the box curves upwards near the thumb, if the box were lifted, then as the box is put down, the ball reverses its momentum to travel back along the newly flattened part of the box.
daenumen 1 year ago
Lol. You can easily see that it is run backwords when he first touches the box.
TirianB 1 year ago
In reverse you fuckhead
imowtflol 1 year ago
You can almost not see that this is reverse footage.
OmegaDude22 1 year ago
This is clearly an example of marble racism, nothing to do with entropy!!
hapexamendar 1 year ago
Reversed you can see the marbles sudden odd move in the begin. And the end they stop to abrupt which is not correct.
chungdha 1 year ago
dude are you psychic?! cause those marbles are totally moving by themselves before you put your hand on the box.
drewschkelton 1 year ago
Obviously different weight marbles. Not the same thing as defying entropy (which doesn't happen)
Tbone155817 1 year ago
@Tbone155817 not different weights- recording was played backward. but good idea :)
Featherwings 1 year ago
@Featherwings Lol it might work my way though. You're right, the marbles start moving before he shakes it. However, even if this video was real it doesn't have anything to do with entropy in the first place.
Tbone155817 1 year ago
@Tbone155817 well, yeah...anyone who ACTUALLY knows what entropy is knows better...
but I have a feeling that if someone thinks they can post a video like this and not be shamed in front of the entire internet, they're unlikely to know what entropy ACTUALLY is...
Featherwings 1 year ago
Maxwell's Demon would be impressed.
DDSeever 1 year ago
You suck. It's in reverse. I dont know who's a bigger geek though. You for doing it or me for pointing it out. :P
rikkim87 1 year ago
Were this the case, the marbles would remain in the same positions at the end.
PatheticToady 1 year ago
Poor attempt to look smart... awful backwards played video + not knowing what entropy means...
Kremesfeka 1 year ago
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"You Down with Entropy?... Doomsday get my gun!" -MC Hawkings
staphoto123 1 year ago
"You Down with Entropy?... Doomsday get my gun!" -MC Hawkings
staphoto123 1 year ago
yeah, that was played backwards. plus what it has to do with thermodynamics makes me alittle confused.
staphoto123 1 year ago
the video is either ran backwards or the different colored marbles have different weights
gevo12321 1 year ago
Fake and Gay
Sorry I just had to do a little RWJ tribute
michalchik 1 year ago
whatb is this, itjust a bunch of marbles being shaken i want to look at that... NOT!
WHEN I SAW THETITLE I THOUGHT THIS WAS GONNA BE INTRESTING
SketchyLemonade 2 years ago
wow that was so cool.....in reverse....LAME!!
420ALI3N 2 years ago
I wondered why the marbles moved before his hand. Of course it's backwards. Thanks for pointing that out, I forgot you can do that with a video.
VulcanFleet 2 years ago
Nothing defying entropy here. Even if the video isn't being played backwards, you're putting energy into the system. Entropy needs a closed system. Sorry, physics fail.
TheFifthApes 2 years ago
While he may have just run the film backwards, it should be noted: There is no law of physics which prevents this from happening. And in fact it can happen. But it's nothing special; even if these marbles did defy entropy, the amount of entropy in the universe never shrinks.
k0namiman 2 years ago 3
Now I see that everything is possible, like the ninja jumps of the old asian movies.
orcodrilo 2 years ago
This reminds me of the Gondroy video where he does the Rubik's Cube with his feet...but very lo-fi
dkordahl 2 years ago
you just did it backwards, i'd be amazed if anyone actually fell for this
julrin7122 2 years ago 10
... That would be me xP
Thanks for pointing out the obvious, seeing as I was dumbfounded.
JLMoriart 2 years ago
The marbles moving before he started shaking the box...is that what tipped you off?
jstoddar 2 years ago
Please look at 0:05 - the marbles are moving WITHOUT moving hand.
It is impossible to kill 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.
tom6341 2 years ago
dude nothing special first the marbles were correctly placed and he played the video backwards DUH
ead021 2 years ago
you sir fail looking at the video you stoped the film and started to arrange the marbles
everyone look at the persons hand
yasum90 2 years ago
obviously not defying entropy because your putting energy into the system by shaking it i could move the marbles by hand and place them in groups does that mean they defy entropy no that means i'm putting in energy and arranging them
Billyasaurous 2 years ago
in reverse much?
MattChez 2 years ago 52
It's how MARBLES ARE MADE. It's how YOUR TRASH IS SORTED. Most depressingly, I can only assume none of the physics experts who have posted comments about "sheer probability" and "intelligently chosen" stop times have ever used a little device called a CENTRIFUGE.
OTOH, you are right that this has nothing to do with entropy. It is a simple physical process. It is how SAND is sorted into columns and layers. I never post, because you expect Youtubers to be off base, but not sci students/experts.
ijwi 2 years ago
I am both amused and appalled to see the sheer number of erudite and seemingly informed comments from (presumably) physics students claiming this is fake. I weep for the new generation. First off, the cam is shaky, not the marbles themselves. Look at the lone marble top right as a reference point and you will see the entire camera frame shakes. The relative position remains the same. more important, this isnt even an experiment. It is a SIMPLE PRINCIPLE OF PHYSICS. called a SHAKING TABLE.
ijwi 2 years ago
and you have also troubles with the gravity, the goes up at the begginig. The world it's gonna colaps, physics si failing
ikbenyo 2 years ago
i get it, its marbles in a box
seanfilms13 2 years ago 2
so much for the equipartition theorem
dibbuck 2 years ago
played backward...played backward...played backward...played backward...played backward...played backward...played backward...played backward...played backward...played backward...played backward...played backward...
tomi06nigga 2 years ago 8
The problem with your little experament is that entropy is not a prodiction. Remember, we are talking about order coming out of a chaotic system. The marbels did exactly what they should have done. Remember Heisenberg... By observing things change. By disproving, you have proven.
Geekpower2000 2 years ago
it's played backwards
greeneyedgeek 2 years ago
I agree, but too many posters are ignoring the fact that this is a common physics "novelty" experiment used to demonstrate how sand separates into layers. it's how centrifuges work, etc.
OK, I had to look it up. It's called PACKING THEORY.
ijwi 2 years ago
My last comment was in reply to Geekpower, who said something sensible. :-)
Actually, it's not packing theory per se, that's geometry. it has to do with the precipitation of objects by weight and volume/density.
The concept of self-separating dissimilar objects under an outside force is pretty darn simple and that's what this vid was intended to show. It's not aesthetics or color, it's not thermodynamics, it's size and weight.
ijwi 2 years ago
they are probably different weights and the box has a middle upward curve
modmaster12 2 years ago
played backward... Amazingly... hehe fake!
boumiz 2 years ago 3
its easy to see its be played in reverse before the hand starts moveing the box a few of the marbles move it shows that still had momentum
bluecow818 2 years ago 4
That is not in defiance of entropy! there was an enerfy input fron an externak source. So the marble could gragitate according to size/mass
boldfart 2 years ago
bolfart (what a self descriptor!) all the marbles are the same size......
and what's: gragitate?
btw, the marbles seem to defy probability.
issak 2 years ago
holy shit how did he do that?! that mustve taken so many takes to get it like that!
uggles2 2 years ago
this has nothing to do with entropy. what really hurts is that people may watch this video and actually think that this has something to do with thermodynamics.
1. order has very little to do with aesthetics
2. not a closed system
i know this is nitpicking, but entropy is important and vastly misunderstood.
backseatjesus 2 years ago 23
the video is being played backward
778918 2 years ago
@backseatjesus of course it has something to do with thermodynamics. it's the same principle as entropy, plus thermodynamics does not need a closed system to work. it's just in reverse.
TheOkokokokokokokok 1 year ago
@backseatjesus
well, I agree to point two; however point one applies because thermodynamics is linked to probability and a "mixed state" is far more probable than this quite separated state. I think, the point is, they gave the marbles not enough space. It's movement is more compared to some kind of laminar flow than brown movement. If they used a large bowl and shook it wildly I could bet, that then they got mixed.
Elune137 1 year ago
@backseatjesus im sorry but i dont accept the first point you make:
1. order is important when considering the entropy of the system from a microscopic perspective.
i agree with the second point.
2. the system is not closed.
however i will also add this:
3. the system is more ordered initially than finally. although holding a 'freeze frame' it 'looks' like its more ordered (which i think was largely intentional) at the end of the video it is less ordered. again --> refer to 2.
daenumen 1 year ago
HAH, good stuff.
54spiritedwill54 2 years ago
stupid
tightcars05 2 years ago
HAAAHAAAHAAA! LOL
Honesty... did you reverse the video XD?
Changer01 3 years ago 2
I love how they start to move just as the hand is lightly placed on the box... sneaky sneaky :)
penguin6636 3 years ago
Yeah i saw that also hehehe
ToniSkit 2 years ago
wats so amazing about it? nothing about it is cool
danderbob6 3 years ago
the brown ones are probably heavier,, he did have it at kind of an angle
thesixshot 3 years ago
this doesnt defy entropy. anyone can shake marbles around till all of one color is on one side. you are pathetic.
imasexybeastsoccer 3 years ago
start moving before your hand moves... stops moving right when your hand stops moving? played in reverse
Mirrorz01 3 years ago 4
theoretically, this could happen: two kinds of marbles, one heavier, one lighter, moving it around would mimic a centrifuge and order them. But it's not a closed system so the 2nd law doesn't apply.
But yeah, you probably just played it in reverse.
BillTheManiac 3 years ago
wow you can play a video in revrse so what
jollyroger822 3 years ago
"... But it seems that the marbles have just ordered themselves by their color..."
Zalo10 3 years ago
wat r u trying to show us?
superzps 3 years ago
Yes, this is fake, but, technically, you could reach two ordered sides. That doesn't mean entropy still isn't in play though.
Presidentjh 3 years ago
rewind note fade away
firecrackerg60 3 years ago
clearly backwarded
curupa66 3 years ago
Lame.
ashlandwithouttheshd 3 years ago
... lame! ... BUT it's a cool effect
DrummerMike666 3 years ago
Wow not only do they move to order. But they also seem to anticipate which way he will shake the box. They move in the direction he wants before he shakes it. Amazing! This isn't entropy its sentiant marbles! Or it was filmed backwards.
wormbaby79 3 years ago
im so stupid i was just thinking how the fuck thaen i read backwards dughhhhhhhhhhhh im going on the train tracks now
leonmcveigh 3 years ago
filmed and then played backwards
ram79la 3 years ago
Wow now that was cool!!! I'm curious to see what would happen if there were 141 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of them...I bet it would be the same result! I'm smart!
p8prclip 3 years ago
its funny! and nice try but the motion of the marbles precedes the motion of the box which should be the other way around if it was not filmed backwards. watch how during the shaking the marbles move the direction he wants them to go before he moves the box.
vws6zaab6ema 3 years ago
hes probably a religious nut trying to make science look stupid
ragnar336 3 years ago 3
Very clever but clearly running backwards! If you could immediately stop the marbles from moving at the end of the agitation it would look much more convincing. XD
jcmegabyte 3 years ago
and they stopped moving at the end before he stopped shaking the box.
tricky778 3 years ago
why u do this? play it backwards and clam u did something big, didnt u know you wold get busted? the marble move before you move, your moving counter clockwise which is odd for a righty, and the way you grab the box looks strange as well, the grip looks like a glitch, anyone else agree?
CVXQ 3 years ago
learn grammar!,good point though.
leadhead616 3 years ago
no one writes perfectly online like the way you put your punctuation marks together!! So you go learn how to throw an actual insult. Oh, and Thank You.
CVXQ 3 years ago
fuck you!!!!!!(global warming is a myth,conclusive research is needed)
leadhead616 3 years ago
you think no one can see you ran it backwards? Oh well at least you proved evolution.
johnknoefler 3 years ago
LOL Actually, order by color is psychological and subjective. It doesn't have anything to do with actual entropy which refers to energy.
luketrashtalker 3 years ago
you have found some way to reverse the arrow of time??!
Qtyled 3 years ago
Lol its reversed. Watch what happens when he puts his hand on the box. The marbles 'start' moving before any shaking occurs. Of course, it makes sense if you look at it backwards: they're actually slowing down from all the shaking beforehand.
GearGOD 3 years ago 2
Good observation!
blower05 3 years ago
yes you see them move before he take the box.... FAKE :P
Gnats255 3 years ago
you can tell its reversed cuz its retarded
DogSoop 3 years ago 2
Indeed, that's a good way to check if something is reversed.
Bobstew68 3 years ago 4
Absolutely, retardation is a direct indication of reversed video.
manvsbear 3 years ago 3
glad you guys agree with me!
DogSoop 3 years ago
you can tell because in the start before his had touches it they start to move....but the box does not so it is not the table being shaken
ironman2530 3 years ago
you guys really have no sense of humor
i was making a joke
not a "scientifical observation herherhehr*
nerds
DogSoop 3 years ago
lol
too true!
282bs35dt 3 years ago
papookie,ookie,ookie,ookie....
Natara628272 3 years ago
you can tell that the video was reversed because the marbles start moving before the box is "picked up"...
biohazard7289 3 years ago 3
Yeah. Nice spotting.
wabbit234 3 years ago
there is no way the marbles can stop so quickly after the box is stopped.
bashibazouks77 3 years ago
"there is no way the marbles can stop so quickly after the box is stopped."
They don't. The vid was reversed.
criscros7 3 years ago 2
thats what i meant
bashibazouks77 3 years ago 2
no way!! that sick!!
GroveStyle 3 years ago
this is easy. the clip was played backwards. as you can see in the beginning the marbles start to move before the box was moved.
therealcedz 3 years ago 5
the marbles are different sizes/mass
heyhonobodyhome 3 years ago
"the marbles are different sizes/mass"
What? No. The video was reversed.
criscros7 3 years ago 2
thats like...part inertia,btw, they actually DO move.
HolyCookiez 3 years ago
Hey, birds of a feather, they flock in quantum waves of feel-good, man. And, like, they help each other with problems and stuff. It's all love, man, all about the love...(sniff)
kennethpace2 3 years ago
Amazing! Because this so obviously ISN'T a reversed video!
gnatz182 3 years ago 3
Note how they move around before he lifts the box. Thus: the film is in reverse. Defy entropy...bah!
cbdoobie 3 years ago 4
only in closed systems the entropy will rise... and your box with marbels aint a closed system... even earth is no closed system it is powerd by the sun... fuck the damn creationists doomsday get my gun
darkfiete 3 years ago
Marbles dont defy entropy. They just choose to ignore it. Screw Entropy!!!!
jedus1 3 years ago
It would be cooler if you made a video of you swallowing the marbles and then shitting them out into your toilet. That would be more entertaining than this dribble.