This is some straight up BS right wing propaganda. If you honestly think that wal mart would care about handicapped people that probably make up less than 1% of their customers than you're out of your mind.
@sfm073 Agreed. I have a disability where I can't even walk into stores because the fluorescent lights give me seizures. I've had stores completely refuse to accommodate me in any way. Without the ADA, I would be jobless, unable to do grocery shopping without some sort of private help (probably paid for with everyone's tax dollars), etc. Because companies know they have to comply with it, I can live a full, productive life. And this is the single reason I won't vote Ron Paul.
The crux of the argument p&t make is that business will do the compassionate thing. That is the biggest load of right wing bullshit that this country has been fed. Business does what is best for the business, if it means firing 10,000 or saying fuck you to the disabled, it;s all the same.
@DStalnaker13 Absolutely true. They say that if one business won't accommodate, their competitors will. I have a rare disability and business have been more than happy to tell me straight up that they don't care about my business because I'm just one person. Luckily, threatening them with the ADA means I can shop for groceries instead of starving to death because companies have to make a tiny accommodation that they otherwise wouldn't bother making.
@henrysbigmouth The major problem is that when you have people abuse the ADA by filing lawsuits left & right as described in this video, which pretty much amounts to a legal form of extortion
@TheNightOwl11683 No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The only reason I'm able to be self sufficient is because of the ADA. Abuse actually isn't all that widespread or problematic, but even if it were, all it means is that we need reform, not repeal of a law that is vital to the wellbeing of myself and many others.
I just watched that episode and what I do NOT get is how that autistic girl and her mom need a special parking spot. Both of them can walk perfectly. Yet the mom is a fucking parking spot nazi... WTF?
The problem with P&T is that they think the free market can fix anything. That is usually the starting point and ending point to their criticism of environmentalism etc. The problem is that protesters and other do gooders led the way in forcing private businesses and governments to act responsibly and not the free market. They lied and omitted facts in their "exposes" of the EPA, the UN, Walmart and even their show on patriotism. They have no credibility when it comes to economic issues.
@twisted34afro Problem is it also covers people who have no physical or mental impairments, yet just because they were declared legally incompetent to manage their own money (no matter what age), they're covered by the ADA. Guess what, they can get handicap placards for that reason alone.
The only problem is they assume big business actually have compassion and will (create wheelchair ramps, elevators, ect.) on their own. These accommodations are expensive to install and cater to a minority; most wouldn't make these changes if they didn't have to.
I am a disabled student. The elevator in the Fine Arts building at my college was broken for 2-3 weeks; I struggled just to get to class. My mom threatened to tell the local the news and it was "miraculously" fixed the next day.
@Serikiyo Exactly. I have a friend who has been in a wheelchair her entire life. If it hadn't been for the ADA her life would be a lot more difficult than it is right now. The idea that business will do the right thing on it's own is the most luaghable right wing bullshit every pandered. Business is about money, that's it. Penn & Teller need to read the book The Goal to understand that.
@Serikiyo There were a couple people in wheelchairs in my highschool. Without the ADA, ramps and automatic door openers would never have been installed. Luckily they were able to sue in order to get the basic education that they otherwise would not have had.
@henrysbigmouth It's about having dignity and self-respect. It doesn't matter how disabled you are, you don't *need* anyone else's help because you're not helpless. (Especially the government's help, as Penn & Teller point out.) I kind of liken it to welfare. Once you're given a life line, it's natural to cling to it even if you aren't a dire case where constant help is almost necessary. It's easier to not work, but it also makes you weak. It's not a bad thing to be confident and proud.
As a person with hemiparetic (left-sided) Cerebral Palsy, I found out firsthand that the "employment accommodations" part of the ADA was bullshit, because 75% of the jobs I applied for I was turned down for, and several times the managers specifically told me I was too much of a "liability", which pretty much limited me to bagging groceries, but luckily some autoshops can pay people under the table.
I dont like it more than you eithe,r therefores my opposite opinion is more nonscientifically What the eff evr GOD hahaha Is the joke gettinf funnyer yet
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He is Right, Every store next to a Wal Mart had more Handicapped spaces just to make money. Capitalism fixes all. Bullshit is bullshit(thats the point((joke))moron) The Second Amendment fixes all. Make my(and my friends that can afford it) Space bigger or ill Kill you. LUV IT. God, I'm Glad the laws apply to me and not my wife who couldn't lift a gun to enforce your Fake Libertarian Bullshit . An Ar Ky
This video is BS. But I will tell you that W took an axe to the ADA that his father brought to the US. But the ADA as as employment does little good in many cases. Then they bother to investigate, they will tell you that they can not do anything, and to take it to a lawyer. Who can afford that? And its even worse the the mentally ill. And the employers can LIE, and thats that. But the ADA did good in other ways though. Access is a big one. Side walks, and so on.
@Jezake Back in 2008, when I was a college freshman, the ADA helped me by enlarging the font of the pages, and giving me extra time to take my tests because I am blind. Since the school had a budget cut, they don't do anything for me, and I am failing all my classes!
It does seem crazy that round doorknobs are illegal in order to meet ADA compliance, but legitimately, the press down ones are easier to use than round ones, so I'd think that would naturally develop in a free market, just for ease of use.
The ADA is a tyrannical institution that takes inalienable property rights away from business owners. Nobody owes anyone else a service. Family members and charities could help the disabled, no need to use guns (govt force, threat of jail) to force others to help. It's time we use that word more: tyranny. Don't use euphemisms, always point out the gun that is being used to force free individuals to labor for others. The anti-discrimination laws are also tyrannical.
I saw this guy promoting his “Handicap” book on CSPAN 2 Book TV several years ago. He actually made a statement to the effect that if someone were to park in an accessible parking space illegally, then they could be arrested! It soon became apparent that he knew little about the law, regulations, or anything.
That Penn & Teller used him as a major voice in this episode doesn’t say much about the validity of the argument posited during this show.
Do Libertarians like Special Education at all? Nope! Not everyone can help themselves and I hope you all know that. I'm high functioning Autistic and I don't know where I'd be without some help. Teachers (and even some friends) have helped me with my life. I've been called the r word before and that's not right. That's very offensive i hope you know.
@TommyCraw I'm dyslexic and have been diagnosed with ADD. Back in middle and high school according to my IEP, I was allowed the accomodations of having someone take notes for me, and being given extra time for tests and such. I chose not to use those accomodations because I felt it was unfair to those who did have the option. By excersing some self-control and holding myself accountable I was able to end up in the top 20 in my graduating class. Man Up.
The law has done plenty good, but people have short fucking memories. Nobody wants to talk about the way handicapped veterans were treated upon returning to Vietnam. Disabled people need protection. Wake up, shitbags.
What's next? A black person coming out and saying we never should've abolished slavery? A woman coming out and saying we never should've let women vote or work? Give me a break! I will say this, as a wheelchair user, myself, the guidelines for wheelchair parking spots NEED to be amended. They're a complete joke. There's no need for as many handicapped parking spots as there are because there aren't THAT many people in wheelchairs, crutches, braces or walkers, around.
i understand the points he made i have bad days myself like when somebody has to almost jump out tripping over you to make themselves feel good by holding the door for me as i try to get through a door way
don't believe they consult with a wheel chair person or a blind one. It's very hard to use an unaccesable toilet and wash their hands afterwards. For the ATM, they would have a driver (unless you expect the blind to walk everywhere). If they are in the back seat, they can use the ATM by themself. Most people aren't blind or use a wheelchair but they shouldn't be disadvantaged.
Gah, do they even see the logical fallacies here? If the total number of people with disabilities can be estimated, as they claim, by adding together blind people, deaf people, and wheelchair users, then clearly Greg Perry must not be disabled because he only uses crutches. You can't have it both ways, people!
I don't understand what's wrong with disabled parking spaces. "There's no room for compassion"--so what? Do we have to make things unfair so that people will make the decision to be compassionate? News flash, most people are insensitive or outright jerks. It's cool if someone is compassionate, but the government shouldn't fuck over disabled people just because it might possibly make someone compassionate. Disabled people don't exist just to provide a learning experience for someone else.
If the govt cared about the handicapped, why haven't they put cutouts in the money? They keep redesigning our paper money. NZ and Oz has cutouts in different shapes for different denominations and celephane inserts in it. Star, crescent moon, circle, can't remember the others. Blind people in this country have to trust that they are gettting the right change. How about braille on it? With so many aging with macular degeneration, where are the changes? No, govt doesn't really care.
I agree with you100%. I have a seizue disorder AND COMPANIES SEE ME ,AS A WALKING LAWSUIT. I'VE BEEN WALKED OFF THE JOB BY THE BEST: AT&T, Verizon telecommunications and have been denied employment by others firms. So I am a walking lawsuit. If something (god willing) happen to me I WILL SUE!!!! THAT IS ONE WAY TO GET THERE ATTENTION.
@ElectricShark The flawed premise of Penn & Teller is that their Cato Institute always has one answer of less government. An affirmative Action type program is the more logical answer for accountability of denying employment, something the posters here seem unaware .
I always questioned why people with disabilities would park 10' from the front of Costco and then walk/roll miles while inside sampling bacon chips and sausage rolls. I have no problem with grandma and her broken hip getting to the bacon chips asap, but once inside the store walking distance is no longer an issue?
Never heard an employer call disabled people a "walking lawsuit" This is simply reasoning. Would like to see an employer whom has said this. Yes, parking spots. When you go to Wal Mart and look for a space, do you look for a space closer to the entrance or further away? So if they take away handicap spaces, do you think people will really think of handicapped people when looking for a spot? Maybe the first week these handicap spaces go away. Human nature looks out for number one.
Let's see, a walking law suit? ano incentive for hiring a handicapped person? Let's see, maybe you do not hire a handicapped person-that is where I would start threatening a lawsuit.
What else, tax incentives(more money for the company-less taxes you have to pay which means more money for your company.)
First, does one disabled guy speak for all disabled people?
This is the fallacy of composition.
Braile on the keyboard of a drive through ATM...uhhhhh...perhaps since they would have to put them on regular keypads on ATM machines blind people can access. Soooo, maybe we make them all that way, because I do not want to pile up my expenses in crafting a button without brail for drive through ATM's ...der da der da der. Common sense.
No I am not. Their whole argument is about how the government is impeding in their lives by having ADA laws and then go find one handicapped guy to show that he does not ADA laws. If this was an honest report, they would find a disabled person in business who have benefited from ADA laws. The whole point to show the computer disabled dude is to get people to see their poin of view as correct. It is propoganda plain and simple. Since they are not news people-I amokay with opinions from non news
They did get people from the other side, they always do that, you just don't see it here because these are the highlights, A seven and a half minute highlight reel of a show that's around a half hour long.
And there's a big difference between propaganda and being biased. Trying to get someone to see your opinion is not propaganda.
@FatherTime89 Hrm, yes, they just put this particular anti-ADA disabled guy on there just for the hell of it... The entire point is having "one of them" speaking out against the ADA, like how anti-affirmative action groups will trot out black spokespeople. It's much less convincing when all you have is able-bodied spokesmen. So yes, he is supposed to be speaking for all disabled people. Stop being a literal-minded shit.
No you are desperately trying to find a way to make it their argument. It's like saying because the only two magicians on the show are against it they are saying all magicians are against it. Not only that but if you were to actually watch the episode (all of it) you would know they have some other cripples on the show who speak in favor of the ADA.
He has a point in the businesses won't hire those with disabilities. They do see us as lawsuits waiting to happen. As a chair user, I appreciate having curb cut outs and things like that. The parking spot is dumb, because able body people park there anyways.
I agree with the fundamental premise of their argument. However, I do believe that some considerations need to be made for people with disabilities. The door handle design doesn't seem to be too evil of a mandate.
I heard that the reason why drive-up ATMs have braille isn't because they're required to; it's because walk-up ATMs have them, and it would be more expensive to produce braille and non-braille ATMs than it is to just to put braille on all of them.
Same reason why 24-hour businesses have front doors that lock: nobody makes exterior doors that don't lock. =]
not my experience. I don't think this veiw divides along the political lines. If you are a republican and have these values, consider it your personality and not the party's (unless you can name an organization or club that represents these values within your party). Otherwise you would have to name at least 3 million freinds to illustrate your party truly holding this as a value.
but I think I am just being a jerk. you don't have to dignify me with a responce
A libertarian is an extreme of conservatism....I still believe the government should regulate drugs and stuff like that, so I am just a conservative..
Good to know, but I just want to make the point that a party (any party) does not solidly represent the advertising to its members. I don't even think my party (which will remain unmentioned) will do everything in the values I hold dear. thus I always read what each issue is about and choose my choice and not be lead by any club
I would classify it as a mix myself, they've insulted conservatives before and they've made some jokes that could be seen as a small attack on the Republican party.
On the other hand they insult liberals, hippies and environmentalists.
equal opportunity insulters and that is one of the ways I like these guys. sadly this also lends to my previous fandom of Carlos mencia and my enduring enjoyment Lewis black.
Yah I agree, but I think marijuana should be legal. We allow a drug that causes many to be violent, why not marijuana? I mean, they are looking something to tax without raising personal income taxes. I do not/cannot drink or do any drugs based on my disability nor really care to.
If he feels so strong about this he should leave this country ad move to Europe, we will see then how they feel about his disability. They wont even look at him because they feel he is a freak.
He doesnt know the truly handicap does he? I met many and they hate being told then cant do anything; they have jobs and go to school. People are born lazy, thats all..
Have any you ever broken your neck and been paralyzed from the neck down? Ony to have to live the rest of your life from a 25K wheel chair. Then have to go to a store and have some abled bodied asshole take the parking spot that is needed for someone that has a ramp coming out of their car.
Stop being insensitive and try to have a little empathy.
The sad thing is how so many people abuse the sysytem by trying to claim disability.
Being fucking fat is not a disability, its just called LAZY
However about "being F***ing fat"---some people have uncontrollable diabetes, and cannot control their weight (despite diet and excercise due to genetics, and have additional physical impairments which are not always obvious that make exercise dangerous, so it's more than just "obesity"--just seems so at first glance.
i live in a relatively small town (23,000 people) and we happen to have a home depot. our home depot has 23 handicapped spaces. TWENTY THREE!! how many handicapped people are going to be buying home improvement supplies -- at the same time -- in our small town??? honestly, i think the amount of spaces should be left to the companies, because 23 is a rediculous amount of empty spaces. home improvemnet supplies are heavy, so those who are working on their home should have the right of way
I see your point. I don't think that "walking the extra 20 feet is the problem, though". The issue becomes that if the lot is full, and there are ***so many*** extra handicapped spaces that are chronically unused.
Good point. He was being sarcastic! But he was being funny, in a sarcastic, negative way (but not insulting people with visual impairments). But if one is that visually impaired, how would one bit fit to **SAFELY***, and ***LEGALLY*** drive?
Actually, although VERY, VERY remote, is is in reason. Suppose someone had a psychiatric disability in which they had a PHOBIA of pressing buttons because one's irrational ear of looking at numbers resulted in such anxiety and heart rate and blood pressure increase that the resulting functional limitation was that one could not press the button to use the ATM? The person could be accommodated by learning to use Braille, and Voila!
So many of these comments appear to be written by the blissfully ignorant, those who believe they will always have the fully functional body and mind they now have, people who have never spent time strapped in a wheelchair, confined to a bed, unable to access a telephone or emergency call button much less a computer. Because we don't see them, we like to think there just aren't that many people with disabilities, but the reason we don't see them is because they are confined to their homes.
someone should've taken that lawyer out. No questions asked. The minute he started trying to extort that town someone should have taken him out... And then made his epitaph in brail
I'm a firefighter and we can not improve or build new fire stations without putting in ADA approved kitchens and bathrooms. Sounds nice but not too many firefighters on duty are disabled and the public is not allowed into our facilities. We're not the park district, it's our home at work.
Very good point why make the FD comply with stupid rules. Just another way for the government to force us to live by there rules and take away some more of our freedoms.
I always wondered why there's so much fucking brail everywhere. Do they really think a blind person will drive up to an ATM? And I've seen plenty of round doorknobs inside public buildings.
Other than that, I don't know which side of the issue to side with. Maybe it just needs reform more than repeal. I gurantee you though, the crippled would get NONE of those close parking spaces that would have been reserved for them. How many people do you know who actually WANT to walk FARTHER?
Apparently, a federal appeals court in May 2008 ruled that the United States discriminates against blind people by printing paper money that makes it impossible for them to distinguish among the bills' varying values, and they have also unveiled a coin with readable braille. (see usatoday (dot) com/news/nation/2008-07-02-braille_N.htm)
I'm a caregiver to a young man that is blind and intellectualy disabled. He's frustrated when he tries to pay for things. I know there are techniques and equipment made to help him when he pays for things, but he can't remember how to do the techniques he has learned and the equipment is costly for him. I have a question for the libertarians- If the government should be hands off where would all the mentally disabled live? I'm glad the government created boarding care facilities to help them.
I used to work for people with disabilities, and am disabled myself. This piece addresses the Americans with Disabilities Act which does not cover money provided by the government for people with disabilities to subsist off for one reason or another. It only covers things that the government -demands- the businesses and public places do to accomidate people with disabilities.
Wait why would you need a coin with braille on it? All the coins are different sizes, wouldn't you be able to figure out which is which from the size?
02:51 - What exactly is that car in the background waiting for? I can just picture him hoping that the handicapped guy would go away so he could park there! :/
They've got a point. There's a difference in preventing discrimination against the handicapped, or minorities and beating people into showing compassion.
ADA has gone too far. Even before ADA America was one of the easiest countries in the world to manuvere. Just travel to any other country and see for yourself. ADA is now sucking up way too much money that could be spent helping many rather than a small minority of disabled people who complain more now than they did pre-ADA. ADA is a redistribution of wealth. It is taking money from many and spending it on a few. ADA has done enough. It should now be gotten rid of.
Libertarian philosophy is not, as some commenters have implied, that disabled people should go unhelped/unassisted. Everyone is aware that some folks are more fortunate in life than other folks; libertarians agree a moral imperative exists to help out one's fellow man. Where we part with others on this issue is our perspective on government's role in wealth distribution and its bureaucratic "care" for the weak. Libertarians want to redistribute wealth to the less fortunate--on our own terms...
...We would rather solve disability's hardships at a local level, not because we are selfish, but because local application is by far more efficient that beaurocratic application. Do you need government to force you to follow the golden rule? Hardly makes the rule golden when it's a rule...
...And yes, we could use a culture shift in this country to incorporate more kindness and mutual respect. But let's face it: big brother is no panacea. Libertarians are not utopians, idyllically assuming people are by nature good. We just happen to think individuals mesh out social incongruencies better than Big Government does.
being confined to your home because the little town you live in hasn't followed the ADA and you can't grocery shop for yourself, or see a movie or find a restaraunt or a bar with a ramp or an accesible bathroom isn't personal harm. Try it and tell me if you don't feel injured everyday? And by I can tell by your ignorance that you probably park in handicapped parking when you get a chance? Less fortunate???????? end of disscussion!!!!!!!!
The drive-up ATM thing is a crock. The buttons are just manufactured with braille because it's standard. What's less expensive, having the drive-up ATM in braille, or having a separate factory and separate smaller orders for the ATM manufacturers to produce drive-up ATMs without braille?
Um, the ADA is good....they're calling all these good meticulous accomadations bad. They're underestimating their importance. That sucessful compter geek entrepreneur is good and all and I'm happy for him but this is just ridiculous.
I am disabled and I cannot say I agree with what many of you have said.
The ADA also covers the rights of the disabled in housing, the workplace, and in school. I have been asked to leave school because people "fear" my disability, when the only thing they feared is their own lack of knowledge of that particular disability.
Only people that hate the ADA really don't know anything about it.
I tend to agree with you Coalbunny. The problem is that the ADA law is not perfect.
But I don't see any real problem with this law except for the "litigation" part. If this ability to sue any employer for everything was removed it would be a better law.
You know, I really don't give a real shit if large corporations have to follow rules guidlines. They, according to the constitution, should really noe exist to begin with so.
They fear your disability because ADA gave them something to fear. Remember the lawyer? You have people like him to thank for it. People don't want to deal with you because they don't want to get sued.
I've love to see America go back to a constitutional government. Things would be much more simple. But then A LOT of people would be out of jobs because of that simplicity will cut out a lot of middle men. Given that our economy is 80% services...
what bothers me most about the ADA isn't how it treats *actually* disabled ppl. the way it's phrased opens the flood gates to a huge range of BS, unproven "learning disorders". just by saying you have dyscalculia (translation=bad at math) u automatically get an untimed SAT, because they're afraid of being sued. if ur bad at something, u have a disability, and u can get extra priveleges. no one can refuse to hire u as a math teacher b/c ur bad at math if you claim "dyscalculia".
Actually, people with dyscalculia are often great at math, but terrible with arithmetic. And it entails much more than just 'being bad at math'.
If one would believe you, then dyslexia would also just mean 'bad at spelling' or something like that, since it is essentially the same thing. One is a problem with letters and written language, the other is a problem with numbers.
Bunch of ingrates! Dont' they know that the government is only trying to help. Just ask them and they'll you. The government cares about YOU. Whatever laws they pass just remember: It's for your own good. All bow down to caring omnipotent government.
As a person born with a physical disability, The ADA has made little difference in my life. The report is dead on. Employers ARE scared. After being passed over again and again for jobs, I started a video production business and I hold two awards for my work. Today's Computer technology allows me to make professional award winning videos that I could not have done just ten years ago. Please have a look at my channel...
My Girl friend uses a wheelchair and I'm with her daily so It doesn't take long to see that they researched this piece using very few resources and therefore don't have much of a grip on reality.
These guys would freak if they would've become disabled in a pre- ADA era and all of a sudden couldn't get up the curb of 2/3rd of the places they want to go and had to pee on themselves when they couldn't get through the bathroom doors of the rest.
Of course government has to moderate these changes. Are you suggesting that we shouldn't have laws that govern fire codes in buildings for instance! Very, very few businesses would willingly lay down the money to become accesable especially if their competitors don't have to. permanently land your butt in a wheelchair and you'll be screaming bloody murder for higher handicapped parking violation fines in a week, Gauranteed!
State government can regulate these things. I realize you were probably born after FDR, so you have this presupposition that government has to take care of you.
Don't send your kids to school, the government does not have to take care of you. house is on fire, grab a hose and start sprinkling, the government does not have to take care of you. Some one stole your car, no problem-go look for it. The government does not need to take care of you. Some one invades our country, go to Mexico or Canada, the government does not have to take care of you.
So when this invading power decides to tax you heavily, arrest people for speaking against them, force you to convert to their religion or torture and death, kick you out of your house to house their soldiers, take away your guns so you cannot defend family and home-wait a minute-we fought a war over this and created our own government with laws and rules to regulate the conduct of a popuation. Let's see what the alternative is-Anarchy which means only the strong survive.
The whole point of governments is to enforce law, protect citizens and keep order so yeah it is the government's job to find my stolen car, stop invaders etc. That's why people create governments in the first place.
As for fire-department they don't have to have one but we pay taxes to make state run fire departments so yes they are obligated to put out our fires as long as we still pay them for it.
All the ADA did was created a system where the handicapped can sue any time they are inconvenienced and thus widened the gap, not closed it. See 4:48. People abuse it and screw over everyone else including those who have real concerns. ADA: Well meaning but misguided
So some state governments can mandate accessibility and others not? Acess needs to be nationwide and you know what, there are some ignorant people that need to be sued or threatened with it to get off their asses and get the changes done. I come accross these people on a regular basis.
Oh I disagree! Threaten to sue some ignorant biz owner for $20,000 and I'll bet they'll instantly put out a few grand for a ramp. My girlfreind is in a wheelchair and I see how unsympathetic people are regularly. She can drive and she can push her high tech titanium wheelchair anywhere that's accessible. The ADA has made her world huge compared to pre ADA days. Could that be because her right to take her kids to a movie has finally been made into law? It doesn't take a genius to see the truth!
Accomodating the less fortunate IS the right thing to do. Nobody's arguing that. The point here is, making it law does not work. If they made a law requiring you to say please and thank you, would that make us nicer to each other? No, it would make us bitter about having to do it and that's exactly what happens here. Like Greg Perry said, business' accomodate the handicapped on their own because it's good business to and if they don't, someone else will. That's free market for you.
Should we have building codes? What about fire codes or laws that prohibit lead paint in childrens toys? Why not just let murderers kill and then make their own decision as to whether what they did was OK? I think you're right, we shouldn't let the government tell us what to do! By the way I notice that you care a lot about wheather Wal mart and every other business has it's feelings hurt!Do you care when a disabled person can't get into their kids school gym to see them play basketball?
Examples given are not the same thing. Personal freedom end at, and only at, the point where you directly inflict harm on others.
And you're not putting on your listening ears: Accomodating the less fortunate IS the right thing to do but don't make laws. Then you have to accomodate everyone who has even the slightest handicapp and that means LESS money spent on people who do have real problems. That is BAD for the handicapped. As stated, where do you draw the line?
being confined to your home because the little town you live in hasn't followed the ADA and you can't grocery shop for yourself, or see a movie or find a restaraunt or a bar with a ramp or an accesible bathroom isn't personal harm. Try it and tell me if you don't feel injured everyday? And by the way I can tell by your ignorance that you probably park in handicapped parking when you get a chance? Just running in for a minute right? Less fortunate???????? end of disscussion!!!!!!!!
"Where exactly do you draw the line? What about dislexics? Are you going to make a law requiring all signs to be palindromes? Sooner or later we're all going to be inconvenienced. Trying to accomodate every possible handicapp is an expensive fool's errand despite everyone's best intentions."
Response?
PS: I ride a bike. Making baseless assumptions about people doesn't make you look smart.
The Ada has worked. We must be adults and manage the ADA for those with real needs, not give up? Handicapped parking violators do so for lots of reasons. Ignorance of why the space is important, which to a person in a wheelchair is extra space, just plain selfishness and the belief that the spots aren't needed. In your case I accused because you can't fathom life with disability. They're just less fortunate to you and I'm sure you feel there's really too many government mandated spaces anyways.
If I don't think ADA is a good idea, then I must be knocking wheelchairs over? Binary thinking like that is very dangerous. There's more than two view points, open the mind up a little.
Plain english: Helping the less fortunate is good advice. That does NOT make it a good law. Just because your intentions are good does not mean your methods are. Think about it.
Let's see. cities build sidewalks. That is not a business function. When you here a beeping sound at a cross walk so blind people know it is safe(hopefully) to cross the street-that is a city function. Wheel chair acessability on city buses. Oh yes, let us not forget-the federal government has to follow the same laws.
Why is he objecting to disabled parking spaces? Just because you see a space vacant once doesn't mean it's vacant 24/7. There's hundreds of empty car spaces for the able bodied at my local supermarket so should they therefore scrap spaces for the able-bodied?
About the atms, they have braille because partially sighted people can still drive, but they need the braille on the atm. Additionally, they build all the units the same, why bother making keypads without braille for the drive through ones?
This is some straight up BS right wing propaganda. If you honestly think that wal mart would care about handicapped people that probably make up less than 1% of their customers than you're out of your mind.
sfm073 5 months ago
@sfm073 Agreed. I have a disability where I can't even walk into stores because the fluorescent lights give me seizures. I've had stores completely refuse to accommodate me in any way. Without the ADA, I would be jobless, unable to do grocery shopping without some sort of private help (probably paid for with everyone's tax dollars), etc. Because companies know they have to comply with it, I can live a full, productive life. And this is the single reason I won't vote Ron Paul.
Sigil93 4 months ago
@sfm073 You do realize Penn & Teller are liberals, right? However most of the views on B.S. are usually as central as they possibly can be
TheNightOwl11683 4 months ago
@TheNightOwl11683 They are libertarians.
sfm073 4 months ago 2
The crux of the argument p&t make is that business will do the compassionate thing. That is the biggest load of right wing bullshit that this country has been fed. Business does what is best for the business, if it means firing 10,000 or saying fuck you to the disabled, it;s all the same.
DStalnaker13 6 months ago
@DStalnaker13 Absolutely true. They say that if one business won't accommodate, their competitors will. I have a rare disability and business have been more than happy to tell me straight up that they don't care about my business because I'm just one person. Luckily, threatening them with the ADA means I can shop for groceries instead of starving to death because companies have to make a tiny accommodation that they otherwise wouldn't bother making.
Sigil93 4 months ago
@henrysbigmouth The major problem is that when you have people abuse the ADA by filing lawsuits left & right as described in this video, which pretty much amounts to a legal form of extortion
TheNightOwl11683 7 months ago
@TheNightOwl11683 No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The only reason I'm able to be self sufficient is because of the ADA. Abuse actually isn't all that widespread or problematic, but even if it were, all it means is that we need reform, not repeal of a law that is vital to the wellbeing of myself and many others.
Sigil93 4 months ago
@Sigil93 Reform may be needed, there are many who have no need to be covered under the ADA, & especially to counteract lawsuit abuse
TheNightOwl11683 4 months ago
I just watched that episode and what I do NOT get is how that autistic girl and her mom need a special parking spot. Both of them can walk perfectly. Yet the mom is a fucking parking spot nazi... WTF?
Kroellmaster 7 months ago
The problem with P&T is that they think the free market can fix anything. That is usually the starting point and ending point to their criticism of environmentalism etc. The problem is that protesters and other do gooders led the way in forcing private businesses and governments to act responsibly and not the free market. They lied and omitted facts in their "exposes" of the EPA, the UN, Walmart and even their show on patriotism. They have no credibility when it comes to economic issues.
perdondaris 7 months ago
The ADA Covers more than people with who are blind and in wheel chairs. It also cover mental retardation, and developmental disabilities.
twisted34afro 8 months ago
@twisted34afro Problem is it also covers people who have no physical or mental impairments, yet just because they were declared legally incompetent to manage their own money (no matter what age), they're covered by the ADA. Guess what, they can get handicap placards for that reason alone.
TheNightOwl11683 7 months ago
2:52 - It looks like the Jaguar in the background has a handicap parking pass on its rearview mirror.
Not trying to make a point, I just found the coincidence (if that is even the case) to be humorous.
BrainRotMenacer 9 months ago
The only problem is they assume big business actually have compassion and will (create wheelchair ramps, elevators, ect.) on their own. These accommodations are expensive to install and cater to a minority; most wouldn't make these changes if they didn't have to.
I am a disabled student. The elevator in the Fine Arts building at my college was broken for 2-3 weeks; I struggled just to get to class. My mom threatened to tell the local the news and it was "miraculously" fixed the next day.
Serikiyo 10 months ago 3
@Serikiyo Exactly. I have a friend who has been in a wheelchair her entire life. If it hadn't been for the ADA her life would be a lot more difficult than it is right now. The idea that business will do the right thing on it's own is the most luaghable right wing bullshit every pandered. Business is about money, that's it. Penn & Teller need to read the book The Goal to understand that.
DStalnaker13 6 months ago 2
@Serikiyo There were a couple people in wheelchairs in my highschool. Without the ADA, ramps and automatic door openers would never have been installed. Luckily they were able to sue in order to get the basic education that they otherwise would not have had.
Sigil93 4 months ago
@henrysbigmouth It's about having dignity and self-respect. It doesn't matter how disabled you are, you don't *need* anyone else's help because you're not helpless. (Especially the government's help, as Penn & Teller point out.) I kind of liken it to welfare. Once you're given a life line, it's natural to cling to it even if you aren't a dire case where constant help is almost necessary. It's easier to not work, but it also makes you weak. It's not a bad thing to be confident and proud.
giveitsomemmph 10 months ago
As a person with hemiparetic (left-sided) Cerebral Palsy, I found out firsthand that the "employment accommodations" part of the ADA was bullshit, because 75% of the jobs I applied for I was turned down for, and several times the managers specifically told me I was too much of a "liability", which pretty much limited me to bagging groceries, but luckily some autoshops can pay people under the table.
SassholeProductionz 1 year ago
I dont like it more than you eithe,r therefores my opposite opinion is more nonscientifically What the eff evr GOD hahaha Is the joke gettinf funnyer yet
the show is called bullsh8T IT B ON tv hAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SEE THE PREMIS AND PUNNCHLINE = SAME ULTIMATE JOKE peNM AGREE SHOW (TIME)ME WRONG
therugburnz 1 year ago
He is Right, Every store next to a Wal Mart had more Handicapped spaces just to make money. Capitalism fixes all. Bullshit is bullshit(thats the point((joke))moron) The Second Amendment fixes all. Make my(and my friends that can afford it) Space bigger or ill Kill you. LUV IT. God, I'm Glad the laws apply to me and not my wife who couldn't lift a gun to enforce your Fake Libertarian Bullshit . An Ar Ky
therugburnz 1 year ago
This video is BS. But I will tell you that W took an axe to the ADA that his father brought to the US. But the ADA as as employment does little good in many cases. Then they bother to investigate, they will tell you that they can not do anything, and to take it to a lawyer. Who can afford that? And its even worse the the mentally ill. And the employers can LIE, and thats that. But the ADA did good in other ways though. Access is a big one. Side walks, and so on.
RCK502 1 year ago
4:37 I am a legally blind driver, and I like that the drive-up ATM's have bail! Back off dude!
Introspective91 1 year ago 2
People wern't afraid to hire the handicapped because there was no protection then... was a stupid ass reason, ADA protects the handicapped.
Jezake 1 year ago
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The video is pure Bull Shit... so one writer with one leg doesn't like it, fuk him. Talk to the thousands and thousands that ADA has helped!
Jezake 1 year ago 3
@Jezake Back in 2008, when I was a college freshman, the ADA helped me by enlarging the font of the pages, and giving me extra time to take my tests because I am blind. Since the school had a budget cut, they don't do anything for me, and I am failing all my classes!
Introspective91 1 year ago 2
@Introspective91 you didn't learn anything in college... did you? A blind driver,,,, you dumb ass.
Jezake 1 year ago
It does seem crazy that round doorknobs are illegal in order to meet ADA compliance, but legitimately, the press down ones are easier to use than round ones, so I'd think that would naturally develop in a free market, just for ease of use.
hughtub 1 year ago
The ADA is a tyrannical institution that takes inalienable property rights away from business owners. Nobody owes anyone else a service. Family members and charities could help the disabled, no need to use guns (govt force, threat of jail) to force others to help. It's time we use that word more: tyranny. Don't use euphemisms, always point out the gun that is being used to force free individuals to labor for others. The anti-discrimination laws are also tyrannical.
hughtub 1 year ago
I saw this guy promoting his “Handicap” book on CSPAN 2 Book TV several years ago. He actually made a statement to the effect that if someone were to park in an accessible parking space illegally, then they could be arrested! It soon became apparent that he knew little about the law, regulations, or anything.
That Penn & Teller used him as a major voice in this episode doesn’t say much about the validity of the argument posited during this show.
elisabethbun 1 year ago
Let business regulate business? We'd go back into time where the disabled were SOL. Is the answer to vilify the disabled? Sorry. Try again.
nodecafplz 1 year ago
Do Libertarians like Special Education at all? Nope! Not everyone can help themselves and I hope you all know that. I'm high functioning Autistic and I don't know where I'd be without some help. Teachers (and even some friends) have helped me with my life. I've been called the r word before and that's not right. That's very offensive i hope you know.
TommyCraw 1 year ago
@TommyCraw I'm dyslexic and have been diagnosed with ADD. Back in middle and high school according to my IEP, I was allowed the accomodations of having someone take notes for me, and being given extra time for tests and such. I chose not to use those accomodations because I felt it was unfair to those who did have the option. By excersing some self-control and holding myself accountable I was able to end up in the top 20 in my graduating class. Man Up.
FoDaddy 1 year ago
@FoDaddy Well that's alright but it does help some people. You're problem one of those people who just cares about himself and not a true Christian.
TommyCraw 1 year ago
@TommyCraw Where did I ever claim to be a"true Christian" in the first place? You're making blind assumptions.
FoDaddy 1 year ago
The law has done plenty good, but people have short fucking memories. Nobody wants to talk about the way handicapped veterans were treated upon returning to Vietnam. Disabled people need protection. Wake up, shitbags.
NYCJuggalo 1 year ago
What's next? A black person coming out and saying we never should've abolished slavery? A woman coming out and saying we never should've let women vote or work? Give me a break! I will say this, as a wheelchair user, myself, the guidelines for wheelchair parking spots NEED to be amended. They're a complete joke. There's no need for as many handicapped parking spots as there are because there aren't THAT many people in wheelchairs, crutches, braces or walkers, around.
JOSHSKORN 1 year ago
i understand the points he made i have bad days myself like when somebody has to almost jump out tripping over you to make themselves feel good by holding the door for me as i try to get through a door way
flatfootfoss77 1 year ago
The ADA sould be made up of all type of disabled people, becauseonly a disabled person can understand what another disabled person needs.
eag7522 2 years ago 4
don't believe they consult with a wheel chair person or a blind one. It's very hard to use an unaccesable toilet and wash their hands afterwards. For the ATM, they would have a driver (unless you expect the blind to walk everywhere). If they are in the back seat, they can use the ATM by themself. Most people aren't blind or use a wheelchair but they shouldn't be disadvantaged.
BadgerVidder 2 years ago
Seriously, you're a moron, stop posting.
Calanctus 2 years ago
@FatherTime89 Does it really matter what I call them? Chink, Jap, Asian it's all the same thing.
Calanctus 2 years ago
Gah, do they even see the logical fallacies here? If the total number of people with disabilities can be estimated, as they claim, by adding together blind people, deaf people, and wheelchair users, then clearly Greg Perry must not be disabled because he only uses crutches. You can't have it both ways, people!
codeman38 2 years ago 4
I don't understand what's wrong with disabled parking spaces. "There's no room for compassion"--so what? Do we have to make things unfair so that people will make the decision to be compassionate? News flash, most people are insensitive or outright jerks. It's cool if someone is compassionate, but the government shouldn't fuck over disabled people just because it might possibly make someone compassionate. Disabled people don't exist just to provide a learning experience for someone else.
gorramdoll 2 years ago
Just stop posting, you're embarrassing yourself.
Calanctus 2 years ago
I'm reading a lot of "What is the government doing for ME?" in the comments. Oh what an era of entitlement we have regressed to.
snoobeagle 2 years ago
If the govt cared about the handicapped, why haven't they put cutouts in the money? They keep redesigning our paper money. NZ and Oz has cutouts in different shapes for different denominations and celephane inserts in it. Star, crescent moon, circle, can't remember the others. Blind people in this country have to trust that they are gettting the right change. How about braille on it? With so many aging with macular degeneration, where are the changes? No, govt doesn't really care.
bengalwoman 2 years ago 3
i have autism and I never mention having a disability as I know people will assume things and wont let me get the job
rayblack2004 2 years ago
Walk-up customers for drive-up ATMs. No mystery. Duh.
voyeurdug 2 years ago
LOL i love playing with wheelchairs!
Eric3575 2 years ago
Penns speech at the end is dead on.
kbrinks 2 years ago
I'm disabled and the ADA hasn't done shit for me!
ElectricShark 2 years ago 9
I agree with you100%. I have a seizue disorder AND COMPANIES SEE ME ,AS A WALKING LAWSUIT. I'VE BEEN WALKED OFF THE JOB BY THE BEST: AT&T, Verizon telecommunications and have been denied employment by others firms. So I am a walking lawsuit. If something (god willing) happen to me I WILL SUE!!!! THAT IS ONE WAY TO GET THERE ATTENTION.
THE EEOC DID NOTHING FOR ME .
ThePayback123 2 years ago
@ElectricShark The flawed premise of Penn & Teller is that their Cato Institute always has one answer of less government. An affirmative Action type program is the more logical answer for accountability of denying employment, something the posters here seem unaware .
robertmike57 1 year ago
maybe people should have the right to drive into the store and sample through the burger drops and ten pound buckets of cheescicles.
nicholi2212 2 years ago
I always questioned why people with disabilities would park 10' from the front of Costco and then walk/roll miles while inside sampling bacon chips and sausage rolls. I have no problem with grandma and her broken hip getting to the bacon chips asap, but once inside the store walking distance is no longer an issue?
nicholi2212 2 years ago
@nicholi2212 There's things called carts and electric carts that help them get around.
TommyCraw 1 year ago
Never heard an employer call disabled people a "walking lawsuit" This is simply reasoning. Would like to see an employer whom has said this. Yes, parking spots. When you go to Wal Mart and look for a space, do you look for a space closer to the entrance or further away? So if they take away handicap spaces, do you think people will really think of handicapped people when looking for a spot? Maybe the first week these handicap spaces go away. Human nature looks out for number one.
daveme7 2 years ago
Let's see, a walking law suit? ano incentive for hiring a handicapped person? Let's see, maybe you do not hire a handicapped person-that is where I would start threatening a lawsuit.
What else, tax incentives(more money for the company-less taxes you have to pay which means more money for your company.)
daveme7 2 years ago
If you want to threaten a lawsuit first you have to prove that they aren't hiring you because you are handicapped.
Good luck with that.
FatherTime89 2 years ago
@FatherTime89 That can be proved, problem is it will be expensive as hell in the Discovery phase of litigation.
robertmike57 1 year ago
First, does one disabled guy speak for all disabled people?
This is the fallacy of composition.
Braile on the keyboard of a drive through ATM...uhhhhh...perhaps since they would have to put them on regular keypads on ATM machines blind people can access. Soooo, maybe we make them all that way, because I do not want to pile up my expenses in crafting a button without brail for drive through ATM's ...der da der da der. Common sense.
daveme7 2 years ago 5
they never said that one guy spoke for all disabled people you are using a straw man argument.
FatherTime89 2 years ago 2
No I am not. Their whole argument is about how the government is impeding in their lives by having ADA laws and then go find one handicapped guy to show that he does not ADA laws. If this was an honest report, they would find a disabled person in business who have benefited from ADA laws. The whole point to show the computer disabled dude is to get people to see their poin of view as correct. It is propoganda plain and simple. Since they are not news people-I amokay with opinions from non news
daveme7 2 years ago 3
They did get people from the other side, they always do that, you just don't see it here because these are the highlights, A seven and a half minute highlight reel of a show that's around a half hour long.
And there's a big difference between propaganda and being biased. Trying to get someone to see your opinion is not propaganda.
FatherTime89 2 years ago
@FatherTime89 Hrm, yes, they just put this particular anti-ADA disabled guy on there just for the hell of it... The entire point is having "one of them" speaking out against the ADA, like how anti-affirmative action groups will trot out black spokespeople. It's much less convincing when all you have is able-bodied spokesmen. So yes, he is supposed to be speaking for all disabled people. Stop being a literal-minded shit.
Calanctus 2 years ago
@Calanctus
No you are desperately trying to find a way to make it their argument. It's like saying because the only two magicians on the show are against it they are saying all magicians are against it. Not only that but if you were to actually watch the episode (all of it) you would know they have some other cripples on the show who speak in favor of the ADA.
Any more 'brilliant' deductions you care to make?
FatherTime89 2 years ago
In fact there were two cripples who were for the ADA and one against it.
FatherTime89 2 years ago
@FatherTime89 So, not only are you illiterate, you keep saying "cripples" like it's the 19th century. lmao
Calanctus 2 years ago
@Calanctus
Does it really matter what I call them? Cripple, handicapped, disabled it's all the same thing.
I do find it telling that instead of a counter argument you just complain about semantics and ask me to stop posting.
FatherTime89 2 years ago
He has a point in the businesses won't hire those with disabilities. They do see us as lawsuits waiting to happen. As a chair user, I appreciate having curb cut outs and things like that. The parking spot is dumb, because able body people park there anyways.
akacaleb 2 years ago
How do you know they're able bodied? They aren't just for people in wheelchairs/scooters.
booklover1013 2 years ago 2
I agree with the fundamental premise of their argument. However, I do believe that some considerations need to be made for people with disabilities. The door handle design doesn't seem to be too evil of a mandate.
redpoint5 2 years ago 4
I heard that the reason why drive-up ATMs have braille isn't because they're required to; it's because walk-up ATMs have them, and it would be more expensive to produce braille and non-braille ATMs than it is to just to put braille on all of them.
Same reason why 24-hour businesses have front doors that lock: nobody makes exterior doors that don't lock. =]
NewColdness 2 years ago 21
I heard that to,owe studied that in economics.
npgjfmcc 2 years ago 2
very good republican viewpoints
pickerjones 2 years ago
not my experience. I don't think this veiw divides along the political lines. If you are a republican and have these values, consider it your personality and not the party's (unless you can name an organization or club that represents these values within your party). Otherwise you would have to name at least 3 million freinds to illustrate your party truly holding this as a value.
but I think I am just being a jerk. you don't have to dignify me with a responce
butchdeadlift10 2 years ago
He is a libertarian, which is one step above conservatism. They believe the government shouldn't regulate anything at all.
pickerjones 2 years ago
do you agree or disagree with him in that notion?
butchdeadlift10 2 years ago
A libertarian is an extreme of conservatism....I still believe the government should regulate drugs and stuff like that, so I am just a conservative..
pickerjones 2 years ago
Good to know, but I just want to make the point that a party (any party) does not solidly represent the advertising to its members. I don't even think my party (which will remain unmentioned) will do everything in the values I hold dear. thus I always read what each issue is about and choose my choice and not be lead by any club
butchdeadlift10 2 years ago 2
I would classify it as a mix myself, they've insulted conservatives before and they've made some jokes that could be seen as a small attack on the Republican party.
On the other hand they insult liberals, hippies and environmentalists.
FatherTime89 2 years ago
equal opportunity insulters and that is one of the ways I like these guys. sadly this also lends to my previous fandom of Carlos mencia and my enduring enjoyment Lewis black.
watch the BS episode on organic food
butchdeadlift10 2 years ago
They're libertarians. They hate virtually all intrusion of government into private life.
NewColdness 2 years ago
Yah I agree, but I think marijuana should be legal. We allow a drug that causes many to be violent, why not marijuana? I mean, they are looking something to tax without raising personal income taxes. I do not/cannot drink or do any drugs based on my disability nor really care to.
daveme7 2 years ago
See my posts here:
watch?v=sOk_9SXiW0c
jfsfrnd 2 years ago
If he feels so strong about this he should leave this country ad move to Europe, we will see then how they feel about his disability. They wont even look at him because they feel he is a freak.
XxLuciferousxX 3 years ago
He doesnt know the truly handicap does he? I met many and they hate being told then cant do anything; they have jobs and go to school. People are born lazy, thats all..
XxLuciferousxX 3 years ago 5
Have any you ever broken your neck and been paralyzed from the neck down? Ony to have to live the rest of your life from a 25K wheel chair. Then have to go to a store and have some abled bodied asshole take the parking spot that is needed for someone that has a ramp coming out of their car.
Stop being insensitive and try to have a little empathy.
The sad thing is how so many people abuse the sysytem by trying to claim disability.
Being fucking fat is not a disability, its just called LAZY
ksskidude 3 years ago 6
Good points you make.
However about "being F***ing fat"---some people have uncontrollable diabetes, and cannot control their weight (despite diet and excercise due to genetics, and have additional physical impairments which are not always obvious that make exercise dangerous, so it's more than just "obesity"--just seems so at first glance.
ticks4ticks4 2 years ago 2
i live in a relatively small town (23,000 people) and we happen to have a home depot. our home depot has 23 handicapped spaces. TWENTY THREE!! how many handicapped people are going to be buying home improvement supplies -- at the same time -- in our small town??? honestly, i think the amount of spaces should be left to the companies, because 23 is a rediculous amount of empty spaces. home improvemnet supplies are heavy, so those who are working on their home should have the right of way
MissMandaEskimo 3 years ago 2
I totally agree with this. It is wrong to place such restrictions on businesses.
zstratus 3 years ago
This is a "Just in case" kind of thing. So you should quit being so lazy and stop complaining just walk the extra twenty feet.
skcuspar03 3 years ago
I see your point. I don't think that "walking the extra 20 feet is the problem, though". The issue becomes that if the lot is full, and there are ***so many*** extra handicapped spaces that are chronically unused.
ticks4ticks4 2 years ago
o- i thought he really meant there was a brail steering wheel. my bad
80cwyk80 3 years ago
Good point. He was being sarcastic! But he was being funny, in a sarcastic, negative way (but not insulting people with visual impairments). But if one is that visually impaired, how would one bit fit to **SAFELY***, and ***LEGALLY*** drive?
ticks4ticks4 2 years ago
Whoa - hold up there a minute.. A fuckin brail steering wheel? please O please someone respond to me how that is even remotely in reason?
80cwyk80 3 years ago
It's called sarcasm.... look it up!
cometepiace 3 years ago 2
Actually, although VERY, VERY remote, is is in reason. Suppose someone had a psychiatric disability in which they had a PHOBIA of pressing buttons because one's irrational ear of looking at numbers resulted in such anxiety and heart rate and blood pressure increase that the resulting functional limitation was that one could not press the button to use the ATM? The person could be accommodated by learning to use Braille, and Voila!
ticks4ticks4 2 years ago
So many of these comments appear to be written by the blissfully ignorant, those who believe they will always have the fully functional body and mind they now have, people who have never spent time strapped in a wheelchair, confined to a bed, unable to access a telephone or emergency call button much less a computer. Because we don't see them, we like to think there just aren't that many people with disabilities, but the reason we don't see them is because they are confined to their homes.
bigrockbo 3 years ago
someone should've taken that lawyer out. No questions asked. The minute he started trying to extort that town someone should have taken him out... And then made his epitaph in brail
jbrazil2008 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Gee, who would have thought America would have retarded laws?
HMMM!
InuvikPhil 3 years ago
wow that is an eye opener
bhadji 3 years ago 2
whats trolling?
i gave an honest opinion no less vulgar then Penn an Teller rants
i say again let stay let the community rebutt
fusion451 3 years ago
libertarians stop removing my comments afraid of free speech???
fusion451 3 years ago
You were trolling.
videothink 3 years ago
1 in 6 americans on disablitity? holy sht I know where my taxes are going.
yeaowl 3 years ago 2
not americans.
mexicans. illegal mexicans living off your tax money.
theraVen27 3 years ago
I'm a firefighter and we can not improve or build new fire stations without putting in ADA approved kitchens and bathrooms. Sounds nice but not too many firefighters on duty are disabled and the public is not allowed into our facilities. We're not the park district, it's our home at work.
firejack007 3 years ago 5
Very good point why make the FD comply with stupid rules. Just another way for the government to force us to live by there rules and take away some more of our freedoms.
bigjon1359 3 years ago
I always wondered why there's so much fucking brail everywhere. Do they really think a blind person will drive up to an ATM? And I've seen plenty of round doorknobs inside public buildings.
Other than that, I don't know which side of the issue to side with. Maybe it just needs reform more than repeal. I gurantee you though, the crippled would get NONE of those close parking spaces that would have been reserved for them. How many people do you know who actually WANT to walk FARTHER?
kommisar 3 years ago 5
Apparently, a federal appeals court in May 2008 ruled that the United States discriminates against blind people by printing paper money that makes it impossible for them to distinguish among the bills' varying values, and they have also unveiled a coin with readable braille. (see usatoday (dot) com/news/nation/2008-07-02-braille_N.htm)
JNOtaku 3 years ago 2
Pretty fucking stupid.
kommisar 3 years ago
I'm a caregiver to a young man that is blind and intellectualy disabled. He's frustrated when he tries to pay for things. I know there are techniques and equipment made to help him when he pays for things, but he can't remember how to do the techniques he has learned and the equipment is costly for him. I have a question for the libertarians- If the government should be hands off where would all the mentally disabled live? I'm glad the government created boarding care facilities to help them.
Joyz80 3 years ago
I used to work for people with disabilities, and am disabled myself. This piece addresses the Americans with Disabilities Act which does not cover money provided by the government for people with disabilities to subsist off for one reason or another. It only covers things that the government -demands- the businesses and public places do to accomidate people with disabilities.
SupraJulie 3 years ago
Wait why would you need a coin with braille on it? All the coins are different sizes, wouldn't you be able to figure out which is which from the size?
FatherTime89 3 years ago 5
02:51 - What exactly is that car in the background waiting for? I can just picture him hoping that the handicapped guy would go away so he could park there! :/
EikC 3 years ago 3
They've got a point. There's a difference in preventing discrimination against the handicapped, or minorities and beating people into showing compassion.
srk4044 3 years ago
He is right.
ADA has gone too far. Even before ADA America was one of the easiest countries in the world to manuvere. Just travel to any other country and see for yourself. ADA is now sucking up way too much money that could be spent helping many rather than a small minority of disabled people who complain more now than they did pre-ADA. ADA is a redistribution of wealth. It is taking money from many and spending it on a few. ADA has done enough. It should now be gotten rid of.
magicact 3 years ago
You're full of shit. I've been to Ireland, England, and Japan, and they are much more disabled-friendly in public areas.
Even areas of Communist China are easier to navigate that my hometown in Illinois.
freethegoats 2 years ago
Libertarian philosophy is not, as some commenters have implied, that disabled people should go unhelped/unassisted. Everyone is aware that some folks are more fortunate in life than other folks; libertarians agree a moral imperative exists to help out one's fellow man. Where we part with others on this issue is our perspective on government's role in wealth distribution and its bureaucratic "care" for the weak. Libertarians want to redistribute wealth to the less fortunate--on our own terms...
videothink 3 years ago 2
...We would rather solve disability's hardships at a local level, not because we are selfish, but because local application is by far more efficient that beaurocratic application. Do you need government to force you to follow the golden rule? Hardly makes the rule golden when it's a rule...
videothink 3 years ago
...And yes, we could use a culture shift in this country to incorporate more kindness and mutual respect. But let's face it: big brother is no panacea. Libertarians are not utopians, idyllically assuming people are by nature good. We just happen to think individuals mesh out social incongruencies better than Big Government does.
videothink 3 years ago
being confined to your home because the little town you live in hasn't followed the ADA and you can't grocery shop for yourself, or see a movie or find a restaraunt or a bar with a ramp or an accesible bathroom isn't personal harm. Try it and tell me if you don't feel injured everyday? And by I can tell by your ignorance that you probably park in handicapped parking when you get a chance? Less fortunate???????? end of disscussion!!!!!!!!
jb173 4 years ago 6
So there are going to make special atm keys without braile especially for drive thru atms? Thats stupid!
TheBigGameHunter1 4 years ago 3
The drive-up ATM thing is a crock. The buttons are just manufactured with braille because it's standard. What's less expensive, having the drive-up ATM in braille, or having a separate factory and separate smaller orders for the ATM manufacturers to produce drive-up ATMs without braille?
Ethoxyethane 4 years ago 7
Um, the ADA is good....they're calling all these good meticulous accomadations bad. They're underestimating their importance. That sucessful compter geek entrepreneur is good and all and I'm happy for him but this is just ridiculous.
SugarAddict 4 years ago
you really show your honesty by calling him a computer geek
WhiteTiger225 4 years ago
I am disabled and I cannot say I agree with what many of you have said.
The ADA also covers the rights of the disabled in housing, the workplace, and in school. I have been asked to leave school because people "fear" my disability, when the only thing they feared is their own lack of knowledge of that particular disability.
Only people that hate the ADA really don't know anything about it.
Coalbunny 4 years ago
I tend to agree with you Coalbunny. The problem is that the ADA law is not perfect.
But I don't see any real problem with this law except for the "litigation" part. If this ability to sue any employer for everything was removed it would be a better law.
You know, I really don't give a real shit if large corporations have to follow rules guidlines. They, according to the constitution, should really noe exist to begin with so.
pumaman1 4 years ago
They fear your disability because ADA gave them something to fear. Remember the lawyer? You have people like him to thank for it. People don't want to deal with you because they don't want to get sued.
lordthawkeye 4 years ago
I've love to see America go back to a constitutional government. Things would be much more simple. But then A LOT of people would be out of jobs because of that simplicity will cut out a lot of middle men. Given that our economy is 80% services...
critfive 4 years ago 3
Government breaks your legs, gives you a crutch, and tells you to be grateful for it or else it'll break your other leg.
Go Ron Paul!!
takadi 4 years ago 2
what bothers me most about the ADA isn't how it treats *actually* disabled ppl. the way it's phrased opens the flood gates to a huge range of BS, unproven "learning disorders". just by saying you have dyscalculia (translation=bad at math) u automatically get an untimed SAT, because they're afraid of being sued. if ur bad at something, u have a disability, and u can get extra priveleges. no one can refuse to hire u as a math teacher b/c ur bad at math if you claim "dyscalculia".
sarahsbooks 4 years ago 2
@sarahsbooks
Actually, people with dyscalculia are often great at math, but terrible with arithmetic. And it entails much more than just 'being bad at math'.
If one would believe you, then dyslexia would also just mean 'bad at spelling' or something like that, since it is essentially the same thing. One is a problem with letters and written language, the other is a problem with numbers.
ursulamargrit 1 year ago
go penm & teller. Go.
there is a perapalgic i know that draws comics and he said that he hated all the "special treatment".
reddragonlaser 4 years ago 3
Bunch of ingrates! Dont' they know that the government is only trying to help. Just ask them and they'll you. The government cares about YOU. Whatever laws they pass just remember: It's for your own good. All bow down to caring omnipotent government.
btskidz 4 years ago
why did someone mark this down, obviously this is sarcasm...
RIPhillel 4 years ago 6
exactly. the last sentence shows that.
reddragonlaser 4 years ago
Greg Perry got only one point for this one:
Some people are afraid and need a "kick in the ass" in some way... But some people need help.
therrydicule 4 years ago 2
As a person born with a physical disability, The ADA has made little difference in my life. The report is dead on. Employers ARE scared. After being passed over again and again for jobs, I started a video production business and I hold two awards for my work. Today's Computer technology allows me to make professional award winning videos that I could not have done just ten years ago. Please have a look at my channel...
roon41 4 years ago 6
My Girl friend uses a wheelchair and I'm with her daily so It doesn't take long to see that they researched this piece using very few resources and therefore don't have much of a grip on reality.
These guys would freak if they would've become disabled in a pre- ADA era and all of a sudden couldn't get up the curb of 2/3rd of the places they want to go and had to pee on themselves when they couldn't get through the bathroom doors of the rest.
jb173 4 years ago 2
Government shouldn't force these changes.
mjhacker 4 years ago
Of course government has to moderate these changes. Are you suggesting that we shouldn't have laws that govern fire codes in buildings for instance! Very, very few businesses would willingly lay down the money to become accesable especially if their competitors don't have to. permanently land your butt in a wheelchair and you'll be screaming bloody murder for higher handicapped parking violation fines in a week, Gauranteed!
jb173 4 years ago 4
State government can regulate these things. I realize you were probably born after FDR, so you have this presupposition that government has to take care of you.
mjhacker 4 years ago 3
Don't send your kids to school, the government does not have to take care of you. house is on fire, grab a hose and start sprinkling, the government does not have to take care of you. Some one stole your car, no problem-go look for it. The government does not need to take care of you. Some one invades our country, go to Mexico or Canada, the government does not have to take care of you.
daveme7 2 years ago
So when this invading power decides to tax you heavily, arrest people for speaking against them, force you to convert to their religion or torture and death, kick you out of your house to house their soldiers, take away your guns so you cannot defend family and home-wait a minute-we fought a war over this and created our own government with laws and rules to regulate the conduct of a popuation. Let's see what the alternative is-Anarchy which means only the strong survive.
daveme7 2 years ago
The whole point of governments is to enforce law, protect citizens and keep order so yeah it is the government's job to find my stolen car, stop invaders etc. That's why people create governments in the first place.
As for fire-department they don't have to have one but we pay taxes to make state run fire departments so yes they are obligated to put out our fires as long as we still pay them for it.
FatherTime89 2 years ago 4
All the ADA did was created a system where the handicapped can sue any time they are inconvenienced and thus widened the gap, not closed it. See 4:48. People abuse it and screw over everyone else including those who have real concerns. ADA: Well meaning but misguided
lordthawkeye 4 years ago 6
So some state governments can mandate accessibility and others not? Acess needs to be nationwide and you know what, there are some ignorant people that need to be sued or threatened with it to get off their asses and get the changes done. I come accross these people on a regular basis.
jb173 4 years ago
This may be a big shock to you but suing people generally isn't a good way to make them sympathetic to your needs. -_-
lordthawkeye 4 years ago 3
Oh I disagree! Threaten to sue some ignorant biz owner for $20,000 and I'll bet they'll instantly put out a few grand for a ramp. My girlfreind is in a wheelchair and I see how unsympathetic people are regularly. She can drive and she can push her high tech titanium wheelchair anywhere that's accessible. The ADA has made her world huge compared to pre ADA days. Could that be because her right to take her kids to a movie has finally been made into law? It doesn't take a genius to see the truth!
jb173 4 years ago
Accomodating the less fortunate IS the right thing to do. Nobody's arguing that. The point here is, making it law does not work. If they made a law requiring you to say please and thank you, would that make us nicer to each other? No, it would make us bitter about having to do it and that's exactly what happens here. Like Greg Perry said, business' accomodate the handicapped on their own because it's good business to and if they don't, someone else will. That's free market for you.
lordthawkeye 4 years ago 2
Should we have building codes? What about fire codes or laws that prohibit lead paint in childrens toys? Why not just let murderers kill and then make their own decision as to whether what they did was OK? I think you're right, we shouldn't let the government tell us what to do! By the way I notice that you care a lot about wheather Wal mart and every other business has it's feelings hurt!Do you care when a disabled person can't get into their kids school gym to see them play basketball?
jb173 4 years ago
"The government doesn't interfere ENOUGH in my life. I want a full time babysitter."
lordthawkeye 4 years ago
I've already heard the babysitter rhetoric before. Are you going to answer any of the questions I posed?
jb173 4 years ago
Examples given are not the same thing. Personal freedom end at, and only at, the point where you directly inflict harm on others.
And you're not putting on your listening ears: Accomodating the less fortunate IS the right thing to do but don't make laws. Then you have to accomodate everyone who has even the slightest handicapp and that means LESS money spent on people who do have real problems. That is BAD for the handicapped. As stated, where do you draw the line?
lordthawkeye 4 years ago 4
being confined to your home because the little town you live in hasn't followed the ADA and you can't grocery shop for yourself, or see a movie or find a restaraunt or a bar with a ramp or an accesible bathroom isn't personal harm. Try it and tell me if you don't feel injured everyday? And by the way I can tell by your ignorance that you probably park in handicapped parking when you get a chance? Just running in for a minute right? Less fortunate???????? end of disscussion!!!!!!!!
jb173 4 years ago
"Where exactly do you draw the line? What about dislexics? Are you going to make a law requiring all signs to be palindromes? Sooner or later we're all going to be inconvenienced. Trying to accomodate every possible handicapp is an expensive fool's errand despite everyone's best intentions."
Response?
PS: I ride a bike. Making baseless assumptions about people doesn't make you look smart.
lordthawkeye 4 years ago
The Ada has worked. We must be adults and manage the ADA for those with real needs, not give up? Handicapped parking violators do so for lots of reasons. Ignorance of why the space is important, which to a person in a wheelchair is extra space, just plain selfishness and the belief that the spots aren't needed. In your case I accused because you can't fathom life with disability. They're just less fortunate to you and I'm sure you feel there's really too many government mandated spaces anyways.
jb173 4 years ago
If I don't think ADA is a good idea, then I must be knocking wheelchairs over? Binary thinking like that is very dangerous. There's more than two view points, open the mind up a little.
Plain english: Helping the less fortunate is good advice. That does NOT make it a good law. Just because your intentions are good does not mean your methods are. Think about it.
lordthawkeye 3 years ago 2
Let's see. cities build sidewalks. That is not a business function. When you here a beeping sound at a cross walk so blind people know it is safe(hopefully) to cross the street-that is a city function. Wheel chair acessability on city buses. Oh yes, let us not forget-the federal government has to follow the same laws.
daveme7 2 years ago
This is because of leftist judges.
daveme7 2 years ago
Why is he objecting to disabled parking spaces? Just because you see a space vacant once doesn't mean it's vacant 24/7. There's hundreds of empty car spaces for the able bodied at my local supermarket so should they therefore scrap spaces for the able-bodied?
SPAG22 4 years ago 2
play 4:49
beamo616 4 years ago
"The Same can also be said about Race Laws...does more harm than good!"
Race laws? What race laws? Are you talking about the old Jim Crow laws? Yea they definitely did more harm than good. Duh.
silverbackman 4 years ago
"Hate Crime" laws? Minority Hiring? Those laws dipshit
marksiwel 4 years ago
P&T are entertaining and often informative but remember, they have their own bias.
atypicalguy 4 years ago 3
Everyone is inherently biased
ShckJok 4 years ago 3
About the atms, they have braille because partially sighted people can still drive, but they need the braille on the atm. Additionally, they build all the units the same, why bother making keypads without braille for the drive through ones?
timcousins 4 years ago 6