You believe your so called 'Right to Choose' to kill your child will be impinged upon by a man wit a microphone and a movie camera sporting pretty good logic!
Haters gonna hate. This 180 movie is no mere movie to get people to switch views from pro-choice to pro-life...but to redeem your relationship with Jesus Christ. The movie is truly amazing! It really opened my eyes and I enjoyed it.
This is what happens when an psudo-intellectual makes a youtube video... U get junk like this. For the uploader:The only reason you think abortion is disanalogous to the Haulocast is probably because you don't think Babies, when in the womb, are human life. Tell me, What Evidence Do U Have That The Life Of That Baby In The Womb Is Not Human?
Not to mention this is just a small snippet of the 180 guys argument. It's a cumulative case, so to take one 3 second clip out of it is obviously dishonest
We are appalled by the gruesome deaths of the holocaust but yet we're okay with the 53 million abortion deaths of our own children--by our own hand? I really don't understand the pro-choice way of thinking. They bring up rape, illness or deformity as the main reason but that is actually a very small percentage of pregnancies!
seriously, this is lame. you edited out the responses that most people who will watch this will think, which include "if the parents can't support the baby" and "if the child's quality-of-life will be bad". both of these were thoroughly addressed in 180. attack something that doesn't bite back.
@jr52990 Nothing is ever free. Just because Ray found some sucker to lower the cost of production, doesn't mean it's free. Evangelicals pay a certain amount and are emotionally blackmailed into sending in "love offerings". Furthermore, Ray is making money from this with his "180" course. Sorry, you can't fool anyone.
@th3w01fv2 I hope he is making money, he did work in order to, not only educate people , but ,also to cover his costs and make some money.I ask you this, you think he did this only to make money,then why does planned parenthood do baby murders? Is it to bring a social and moral problem out into the open and deal with it? Or is it to make money through a "hate" offering?A common tactic among people who cannot debate, or deal with facts, is to offer up name calling,ad homenum, or urdum
Interesting. The WOTM fucks at it again. Trying to exploit the moral and social failures of this world as well as the atrocities in human history by insinuating that their occurences are due to a lack of abiding by their religion yet, their hearers don't that some of these same atrocities have be comiited by their religion. The hypocrsy as well as deceptive manipulation in order to gain power and influence as well as control over people's lives. How sick.
@Chuloloc To Ray and his goons, if you're reading this, yeah, a child deserves to be saved from abortion but also from the death angel, bears and from being killed because they were born through adultery. Fuck religion. Hail the supremacy of reason and morality based on the almighty standard of Man. Coke on it and suffer, fundies.
"Cash Cow"? They're handing them out for free on the street, you can watch the entire movie right here on youtube, and you can order them online, in bulk, for less than $1.00 apiece. You can bring up whatever half-informed beliefs you have about Christianity and the abortion issue, but please don't try to tell me that Ray Comfort is sitting in a mansion, on velvet couch, smoking cigars, and laughing to himself about how much money this movie is making him.
Besides, I wonder how many of those people who allegedly turned anti-choice still hold that view today? I'd be very curious to find out if they STILL think it's ok to force a woman to remain pregnant against her will and her desire.
Ray's video only make sense if you're willing to accept that there's a "baby" in the womb. That the Jews Hitler murdered are the same as fetuses in the womb. If you're willing to forego the concept of bodily autonomy. So Ray's principle is flawed from the beginning. And then anti-choicers wonder why people aren't willing to go along with this?
this documentary is awesome. way to get more people talking about it. whether good or bad it doesn't matter. Its reaching more and more people day by day, giving Christ all the more glory!
Really? You don't have anything better to do with your time? What made you so jaded against God? It sounds like you must be bored a lot, so I suggest you read the Bible. Repent and believe the Gospel. This message is for the person who posted this video.
@th3w01fv2 I am accepting that a lot of people won't agree with me, but I will countinue to tell people the truth, that's my part, and your part is to accept it or deny it.
When you presuppose it's a baby in the womb (as these folks already presupposed) then it only follows that they would struggle with the implications of this. I think they are right, I think abortion is a terrible evil in our world, but it's not Ray Comfort or his question that unsettles them. It's their own presuppositions. That is what we all must study.
@cybersaint2k So if a child just barely capable of becoming pregnant (which happens far before the body is capable of giving birth safely) is raped and becomes pregnant, they should risk their life and die so as not to dispose of an unformed ball of nerves with no consciousness or feeling? That's silly, abortion is not always a bad thing. Can it be abused? Sure, many things can. Making it illegal though when we have situations like these IS evil.
@DarkBunnyLord Your question is loaded with circumstances in your favor; why is it necessary to your position for you to frame it that way? If you are trying to prove "abortion is not always a bad thing" then why not talk about an ectopic pregnancy? The problem is when people use abortion for non-medical emergencies, to make themselves feel better, or for simple birth control, or for gender selection. Just as it's illegal to kill others minus self-defense, make abortion illegal. Agreed?
@cybersaint2k Of course it is, that's the point that these situations DO happen, that it isn't always safe for the person giving birth. No not agree'd because I don't agree that a bundle of nerves that can't feel or think is a person yet. What's next we make masturbation illegal because it spills living feed and "possible" babies?
If you're talking late term then I think it could very well be killing, but early term certainly not.
@DarkBunnyLord Then if we can agree that "talking late term, then I think it very well could be killing" then we are coming to some solid ground. Do you then agree that "killing" should be illegal? In, let's say, the last trimester, when the child is obviously viable?
@eltzar, it's neither pure or simple. That's why we are discussing it. Let me ask you a question, since it's pure and simple. A baby is about to be born in a few days. The mother is in pain. She says, "The pain is too much. I want an abortion. Take this painful child out of me now." She goes to Planned Parenthood and plops down $360 in cash. You want that to be legal, yes or no. We are waiting, Mr. Pure and Simple.
@cybersaint2k actually it is pure and simple, don't try and railroad my comment off into some territory it is not.
Owning a gun is not illegal in America, but this does not mean you hand a gun to a man dripping sweat, clearly strung-out on drugs and mumbling about how he is going to shoot his cheatin' wife in the face.
You have put forward a scenario which is not currently viable for an abortion. Why would you do that? Why would you so grossly misrepresent the current situation?
@eltzar72 I plead not guilty. Third Trimester abortions are legal and not rare. Partial birth abortions were legal until 2003, and now abortion providers find ways around that ban. No misrepresentation here. Answer the question--do you want late, Third Trimester abortions to be unrestricted by law (illegal) or not?
So your claim is, then, that is both legal and normal practice for someone only days away from birth to be able to walk into a planned parenthood clinic, put $360 on the counter and get an abortion.
That is a downright lie, and if you have any knowledge whatsoever of the subject you know this.
Your intent is to enflame, and in no way to discuss or engage in honest discussion.
You are as cretinous and deceptive as the banana man himself.
@eltzar72 My agenda is asking hard questions to people who think questions like this, with theology and morality and legality and personal experience flying everywhere, are simple. So far, I'm succeeding because you are clearly stumped.
@cybersaint2k You're agenda is more to be a cog in the wheel of the evangelical propaganda machine. You will fail because more and more people are informed about your campaign of misinformation. Confrontational evangelism is bound to fail when I'm around.
So to be honest the only agenda I have as a follower of christ is to share his love and compasion with the world, and to let others know what I have recieved. I am not empoyed by the church, I gain nothing worldly by praying for others, just a stay at home mother of four. I beleive that a majority of christians are like me, I really don't want to prove to you how right I am I just want you to know the gift that I have recieved, a gift which is totally your right to deny the very existance of.
Asfar as your seemingly anti christian stance thatseems prevelent,though I may be misundrstanding your tonne. Iwould like tosay this, I as a Christian truly with my whole heart believe that their is a God who created me and the world, I truly believe thathe sent his sonto die for all and save us from our own sin. I alsohave joy in knowing what is to me undeniable truth. I also believe that if Jesus had not saved me I would be lost. And I feel this is a great and wonderful gift.
I don't know Ray Comfort, I don't know that I would agree with him on all theological points. So no he is not telling me what to say,all research I've done has been googled, I actually tried to avoid christian websites.I believe abortion is wrong.As far as science, even pro chioce advocates can not deny anymore that embryologists resoundingly agree that life begins at conception and is on a ever changing continuum from that point till death whether it be death at 100years or 14 days in utero.
You are really paranoid. I could care less that you wrote a book on counter-evangelism and that you think I'm lying. It really doesn't matter to me. I have more important things in my life than to be concerned with what a you-tuber thinks of me. In the end when you pass on from this life you will finally know the truth and you won't be able to deny it.
@The5pointsofgrace And in my section "Clichees, taunts and dismissals" you would see what you just wrote. The passive-aggressive behaviour you possess is very predictable.
@1andib No kidding? And what "science" have you been presented with? I see you are a subscriber of "Thewayofthemaster" how can I trust what you say, since I know that you will only parrot what they told you to say?
@th3wo1fv2 I maybe beating a dead horse here, but I am still wandering if you concede based on sound, documented, unbias, scientific evidence, that what is inside a woman/mother is a human being, Granted a smaller form but still a human from conception onward.
@th3wo1fv2 I maybe beating a dead horse here, but I am still wandering if you concede based on sound, documented, unbias, scientific evidence, that what is inside a woman/mother is a human being, Granted a smaller form but still a human from conception onward.
@The5pointsofgrace Liar. Your whole approach to evangelism is based on creating confrontation. And hatred? Is it hateful to point out to a charlatan that his tricks won't work?
And the whole "i am not interested in private information" is also a lie. That's how you evangelists get your hooks into someone. You pry for information and tailor your responses on that. If you bothered to check out my channel you'd know that I wrote the book on COUNTER-EVANGELISM.
@th3w01fv2 Dude, ease up with the paranoia. I don't like what they are doing in the 180 film but you need to chill out, use rationality and calmly argue with them instead of raging and/or going all defensive.
I think doing so would do you a great service when trying to spread your views.
Were you a cynic your whole life? I certainly was sincere in what I said. The foul language is not necessary. It seems every time you atheists get ticked off, out comes the foul mouth. Truly sad. I have prayed for you and will continue to do so. Your in Gd's hands
@The5pointsofgrace I do not reveal personal information on-line and even less off-line with scum like you. The foul language IS necessary when dealing with your kind, for we see right through the phony smiles and attempts at being self-rightous. You only seek our anger and then complain about it when it manifests. If you treat people like dogs, expect to be bitten.
You are right bypassing the intellect does have a name, it's called your conscience. Which obviously must really be bothering you right now. I feel sorry for you my friend. You're lost blind soul headed to hell and you don't even know it. I'll be praying for you.
@The5pointsofgrace Nice try again. The whole "conscience" bit only works on those who are unaware of Ray Comfort's method. I am not in the least bothered. You hope that I am bothered because when they found you it bothered you since you're obviously easily manipulated.
And "praying for me" is Christianese for "fuck you". Right back at you, twit!
Not at all. a true believer will never get sucked into atheistic claims. If anything those who argue with Ray have more of a chance to having their spiritual eyes opened. Abortion is murder plain and simple. If it is a child outside of the body, it is a child inside the body. You can never get around that. You can only sear your conscience against it.
So then your stating that it is not a child? Because scientificly (not relgiously, please look it up) human life begins at conception. Or are you saying it is a uniquly desiged human life but not a child/baby? Are you really getting that caught up in semantics? Your issue is that they used the word Baby. Okay then when is it okay to kill a uniquly formed human being in the womb?
Not to get caught up in your politics(I'm Canadian) but is the current administration doing such a bang up job?
Sorry, not meaning to be rude, but when is it okay to kill a baby in the womb? What truth are you exactly exposing here? are you upset because they are possibly going to make money, because if that is the cause of your grief, you should be really upset to hear that the abotion industry makes a ton of cash. Again not meaning to be rude just trying to understand why you are so upset?
@1andib Nice try. At the current stages where abortions are made, it is not a "child". What I am exposing is the religious rights attempt to subjugate women into broodmares. And I am not upset, but concerned. It is an election year and they are pushing not one but two fundies as candidates. We cannot have another Bush Administration. It is unacceptable.
@th3w01fv2 hi, sorry, but you don't have to be religious to be pro-life. In case you didn't know, a fetus is always a baby. Science backs that with facts like the fetus having a heart beat and brain function. So when you say that a fetus is not a baby or living thing, what do you mean? Because you are wrong. A fetus is ALWAYS living, because nonliving things cannot regenerate from living things. A rock cannot turn into a human, so a human was always alive since conception, and possibly beforetht
so how many abortion have you had th3w01fv2 ? I'm sorry for your loss, thank you for posting this so I know what it was that he said so I can talk to those who need help in the pro life booth at the fair :)
@wasillarocks To answer your question and comment. None and if you're stupid enough to use that question, be my guest. No need to thank me. Ray's 180 will be a failure.
You believe your so called 'Right to Choose' to kill your child will be impinged upon by a man wit a microphone and a movie camera sporting pretty good logic!
Philippe1613 2 weeks ago
@Narrowroadchapel no it isn't, one must be born and alive before murder can take place.
shonkey 3 weeks ago
Haters gonna hate. This 180 movie is no mere movie to get people to switch views from pro-choice to pro-life...but to redeem your relationship with Jesus Christ. The movie is truly amazing! It really opened my eyes and I enjoyed it.
iluvj35u5chri5t 1 month ago
its never ok to abort a baby
123snobro 1 month ago
@123snobro yes it is
shonkey 3 weeks ago
This is what happens when an psudo-intellectual makes a youtube video... U get junk like this. For the uploader:The only reason you think abortion is disanalogous to the Haulocast is probably because you don't think Babies, when in the womb, are human life. Tell me, What Evidence Do U Have That The Life Of That Baby In The Womb Is Not Human?
Not to mention this is just a small snippet of the 180 guys argument. It's a cumulative case, so to take one 3 second clip out of it is obviously dishonest
IceKnight366 3 months ago
@bloodngutspatriot Derp.
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possumpistol 3 months ago
We are appalled by the gruesome deaths of the holocaust but yet we're okay with the 53 million abortion deaths of our own children--by our own hand? I really don't understand the pro-choice way of thinking. They bring up rape, illness or deformity as the main reason but that is actually a very small percentage of pregnancies!
timfr525 3 months ago
seriously, this is lame. you edited out the responses that most people who will watch this will think, which include "if the parents can't support the baby" and "if the child's quality-of-life will be bad". both of these were thoroughly addressed in 180. attack something that doesn't bite back.
daffodilsparkle 4 months ago 2
@dougmoerhoffman That's the point I've been trying to make! lol
MissLeanaFaith 4 months ago
"Cash cow".... dude its free
jr52990 4 months ago 4
@jr52990 Nothing is ever free. Just because Ray found some sucker to lower the cost of production, doesn't mean it's free. Evangelicals pay a certain amount and are emotionally blackmailed into sending in "love offerings". Furthermore, Ray is making money from this with his "180" course. Sorry, you can't fool anyone.
th3w01fv2 4 months ago
@th3w01fv2 damn it I should i have looked for this instead of watching that diatribe of shit that is ray comforts video.
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@th3w01fv2 I hope he is making money, he did work in order to, not only educate people , but ,also to cover his costs and make some money.I ask you this, you think he did this only to make money,then why does planned parenthood do baby murders? Is it to bring a social and moral problem out into the open and deal with it? Or is it to make money through a "hate" offering?A common tactic among people who cannot debate, or deal with facts, is to offer up name calling,ad homenum, or urdum
poopypoopyhead1 3 weeks ago
iM SURPRISED MORE PEOPLE DIDNT JUST COME RIGHT OUT AND SAY IT.....
iTS OK TO KILL A BABY IN THE ROOM,...WHEN EVER THE HELL I WANT TO.
THATS WHAT i THINK .....AND THATS WHAT PRESIDENT OBAMA THINKS
ageofgrace 4 months ago
One argument? They act like they won a debate when they come up with one argument.
typical fucking christians
AtomicDonut22 4 months ago
Interesting. The WOTM fucks at it again. Trying to exploit the moral and social failures of this world as well as the atrocities in human history by insinuating that their occurences are due to a lack of abiding by their religion yet, their hearers don't that some of these same atrocities have be comiited by their religion. The hypocrsy as well as deceptive manipulation in order to gain power and influence as well as control over people's lives. How sick.
Chuloloc 4 months ago
@Chuloloc To Ray and his goons, if you're reading this, yeah, a child deserves to be saved from abortion but also from the death angel, bears and from being killed because they were born through adultery. Fuck religion. Hail the supremacy of reason and morality based on the almighty standard of Man. Coke on it and suffer, fundies.
Chuloloc 4 months ago
"Cash Cow"? They're handing them out for free on the street, you can watch the entire movie right here on youtube, and you can order them online, in bulk, for less than $1.00 apiece. You can bring up whatever half-informed beliefs you have about Christianity and the abortion issue, but please don't try to tell me that Ray Comfort is sitting in a mansion, on velvet couch, smoking cigars, and laughing to himself about how much money this movie is making him.
DavidScott1020 4 months ago
@DavidScott1020 He makes a six figure salary and anyone can see that he profits from people like you if you look at his 990 forms. It's on guidestar.
th3w01fv2 4 months ago
whole movie was an insult. Sad part is that people are raving about how life changing and revolutionary it is.
CleezyClark 4 months ago
Besides, I wonder how many of those people who allegedly turned anti-choice still hold that view today? I'd be very curious to find out if they STILL think it's ok to force a woman to remain pregnant against her will and her desire.
Skulander1 4 months ago
Ray's video only make sense if you're willing to accept that there's a "baby" in the womb. That the Jews Hitler murdered are the same as fetuses in the womb. If you're willing to forego the concept of bodily autonomy. So Ray's principle is flawed from the beginning. And then anti-choicers wonder why people aren't willing to go along with this?
Skulander1 4 months ago
there will be a great gnashing of the teeth in the realization of it being to late to repent
vote ron paul 2012
and im gonna pray you God bless
ls1tome36 4 months ago
this documentary is awesome. way to get more people talking about it. whether good or bad it doesn't matter. Its reaching more and more people day by day, giving Christ all the more glory!
rom116rom 4 months ago 2
@rom116rom Boy you are deluded. You're the reason why you need to be voted against each time you try to sneak into schoolboards and politics.
th3w01fv2 4 months ago
Really? You don't have anything better to do with your time? What made you so jaded against God? It sounds like you must be bored a lot, so I suggest you read the Bible. Repent and believe the Gospel. This message is for the person who posted this video.
vance6369 5 months ago
@vance6369 what made you so jaded against Allah?
I suggest you read the Koran. Repent and believe in the Prophet.
See, it works for any old line of b/s.
Here's one you can use though : think rationally. Be skeptical. Be critical.
Demand evidence for assertions, the bigger the assertion the bigger the required evidence.
Peace.
eltzar72 4 months ago
@vance6369 How about you accept that people will not aggree with you and won't allow women's rights to go down into the toilet.
th3w01fv2 4 months ago
@th3w01fv2 The rights of the 25 million women who have been murdered in abortion since 1973? Why don't you stand for their rights?
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@th3w01fv2 Who said anything about woman's rights?
MissLeanaFaith 4 months ago
@th3w01fv2 I am accepting that a lot of people won't agree with me, but I will countinue to tell people the truth, that's my part, and your part is to accept it or deny it.
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vance6369 5 months ago
The fool says in his heart there is no Gd
The5pointsofgrace 5 months ago
When you presuppose it's a baby in the womb (as these folks already presupposed) then it only follows that they would struggle with the implications of this. I think they are right, I think abortion is a terrible evil in our world, but it's not Ray Comfort or his question that unsettles them. It's their own presuppositions. That is what we all must study.
cybersaint2k 5 months ago
@cybersaint2k So if a child just barely capable of becoming pregnant (which happens far before the body is capable of giving birth safely) is raped and becomes pregnant, they should risk their life and die so as not to dispose of an unformed ball of nerves with no consciousness or feeling? That's silly, abortion is not always a bad thing. Can it be abused? Sure, many things can. Making it illegal though when we have situations like these IS evil.
DarkBunnyLord 5 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord Your question is loaded with circumstances in your favor; why is it necessary to your position for you to frame it that way? If you are trying to prove "abortion is not always a bad thing" then why not talk about an ectopic pregnancy? The problem is when people use abortion for non-medical emergencies, to make themselves feel better, or for simple birth control, or for gender selection. Just as it's illegal to kill others minus self-defense, make abortion illegal. Agreed?
cybersaint2k 5 months ago
@cybersaint2k Of course it is, that's the point that these situations DO happen, that it isn't always safe for the person giving birth. No not agree'd because I don't agree that a bundle of nerves that can't feel or think is a person yet. What's next we make masturbation illegal because it spills living feed and "possible" babies?
If you're talking late term then I think it could very well be killing, but early term certainly not.
DarkBunnyLord 5 months ago
@cybersaint2k abortion should not be illegal, pure and simple.
eltzar72 4 months ago
@DarkBunnyLord Then if we can agree that "talking late term, then I think it very well could be killing" then we are coming to some solid ground. Do you then agree that "killing" should be illegal? In, let's say, the last trimester, when the child is obviously viable?
cybersaint2k 4 months ago
@eltzar, it's neither pure or simple. That's why we are discussing it. Let me ask you a question, since it's pure and simple. A baby is about to be born in a few days. The mother is in pain. She says, "The pain is too much. I want an abortion. Take this painful child out of me now." She goes to Planned Parenthood and plops down $360 in cash. You want that to be legal, yes or no. We are waiting, Mr. Pure and Simple.
cybersaint2k 4 months ago
@cybersaint2k actually it is pure and simple, don't try and railroad my comment off into some territory it is not.
Owning a gun is not illegal in America, but this does not mean you hand a gun to a man dripping sweat, clearly strung-out on drugs and mumbling about how he is going to shoot his cheatin' wife in the face.
You have put forward a scenario which is not currently viable for an abortion. Why would you do that? Why would you so grossly misrepresent the current situation?
eltzar72 4 months ago
@eltzar72 I plead not guilty. Third Trimester abortions are legal and not rare. Partial birth abortions were legal until 2003, and now abortion providers find ways around that ban. No misrepresentation here. Answer the question--do you want late, Third Trimester abortions to be unrestricted by law (illegal) or not?
cybersaint2k 4 months ago
@cybersaint2k excuse me?
So your claim is, then, that is both legal and normal practice for someone only days away from birth to be able to walk into a planned parenthood clinic, put $360 on the counter and get an abortion.
That is a downright lie, and if you have any knowledge whatsoever of the subject you know this.
Your intent is to enflame, and in no way to discuss or engage in honest discussion.
You are as cretinous and deceptive as the banana man himself.
Bear false witness elsewhere
eltzar72 4 months ago
@cybersaint2k is it because reality does not support your pre-conceived narrative?
What you are suggesting does not happen, and the only people asking for changes are those like yourselves who want to make abortion illegal.
So I say no to changing the current laws.
Your use of such a blatantly false premise in your "scenario" is indicative of how far from reality, facts and the truth that you are willing to go.
And this is indicative only of you, and your twisted agenda.
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eltzar72 4 months ago
@eltzar72 My agenda is asking hard questions to people who think questions like this, with theology and morality and legality and personal experience flying everywhere, are simple. So far, I'm succeeding because you are clearly stumped.
cybersaint2k 4 months ago
@cybersaint2k your agenda is to present a false circumstance laden with emotion, and present it as if it is both valid and normal.
That is bearing false witness.
And the ease with which you do it, and maintain that deceptive and misleading b/s, is telling about you and your honesty.
Crawl back under your rock, cretin, there is no place for your bigotry in a free world.
Stumped? Sorry no, though clearly you would like that to be the case.
Bear false witness elsewhere.
eltzar72 4 months ago
@cybersaint2k You're agenda is more to be a cog in the wheel of the evangelical propaganda machine. You will fail because more and more people are informed about your campaign of misinformation. Confrontational evangelism is bound to fail when I'm around.
Bottom line? GET LOST!
th3w01fv2 4 months ago
Ray Comfort: the most prolific moron to ever live.
I've said this many times over the years, but it bears repeating: he is the best example of the Dunning-Kruger effect available.
InTheImageOfDNA 5 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA agreed. Definitely a textbook example of Dunning-Kruger.
eltzar72 4 months ago
@th3w01fv2 Sorry I think you will have to read my respons from the bottom up
1andib 5 months ago
So that is my heart not my agenda, please don't disregard me because I am christian:)
1andib 5 months ago
So to be honest the only agenda I have as a follower of christ is to share his love and compasion with the world, and to let others know what I have recieved. I am not empoyed by the church, I gain nothing worldly by praying for others, just a stay at home mother of four. I beleive that a majority of christians are like me, I really don't want to prove to you how right I am I just want you to know the gift that I have recieved, a gift which is totally your right to deny the very existance of.
1andib 5 months ago
Asfar as your seemingly anti christian stance thatseems prevelent,though I may be misundrstanding your tonne. Iwould like tosay this, I as a Christian truly with my whole heart believe that their is a God who created me and the world, I truly believe thathe sent his sonto die for all and save us from our own sin. I alsohave joy in knowing what is to me undeniable truth. I also believe that if Jesus had not saved me I would be lost. And I feel this is a great and wonderful gift.
1andib 5 months ago
I don't know Ray Comfort, I don't know that I would agree with him on all theological points. So no he is not telling me what to say,all research I've done has been googled, I actually tried to avoid christian websites.I believe abortion is wrong.As far as science, even pro chioce advocates can not deny anymore that embryologists resoundingly agree that life begins at conception and is on a ever changing continuum from that point till death whether it be death at 100years or 14 days in utero.
1andib 5 months ago
You are really paranoid. I could care less that you wrote a book on counter-evangelism and that you think I'm lying. It really doesn't matter to me. I have more important things in my life than to be concerned with what a you-tuber thinks of me. In the end when you pass on from this life you will finally know the truth and you won't be able to deny it.
The5pointsofgrace 5 months ago
@The5pointsofgrace And in my section "Clichees, taunts and dismissals" you would see what you just wrote. The passive-aggressive behaviour you possess is very predictable.
th3w01fv2 5 months ago
Opps sorry didn't mean to post that twice, then I really would be beating a dead horse. Computers are so confusing:)
1andib 5 months ago
@1andib No kidding? And what "science" have you been presented with? I see you are a subscriber of "Thewayofthemaster" how can I trust what you say, since I know that you will only parrot what they told you to say?
th3w01fv2 5 months ago
@th3wo1fv2 I maybe beating a dead horse here, but I am still wandering if you concede based on sound, documented, unbias, scientific evidence, that what is inside a woman/mother is a human being, Granted a smaller form but still a human from conception onward.
1andib 5 months ago
@th3wo1fv2 I maybe beating a dead horse here, but I am still wandering if you concede based on sound, documented, unbias, scientific evidence, that what is inside a woman/mother is a human being, Granted a smaller form but still a human from conception onward.
1andib 5 months ago
No one is treating you like a dog, but I guess in your hatred you can't see that. Hope you find real peace and the truth one day.
PS. Not interested in any of your private information. I was just making a statement on your hateful attitude
The5pointsofgrace 5 months ago
@The5pointsofgrace Liar. Your whole approach to evangelism is based on creating confrontation. And hatred? Is it hateful to point out to a charlatan that his tricks won't work?
And the whole "i am not interested in private information" is also a lie. That's how you evangelists get your hooks into someone. You pry for information and tailor your responses on that. If you bothered to check out my channel you'd know that I wrote the book on COUNTER-EVANGELISM.
th3w01fv2 5 months ago
@th3w01fv2 Dude, ease up with the paranoia. I don't like what they are doing in the 180 film but you need to chill out, use rationality and calmly argue with them instead of raging and/or going all defensive.
I think doing so would do you a great service when trying to spread your views.
ZionideZnCl2 4 months ago
Were you a cynic your whole life? I certainly was sincere in what I said. The foul language is not necessary. It seems every time you atheists get ticked off, out comes the foul mouth. Truly sad. I have prayed for you and will continue to do so. Your in Gd's hands
The5pointsofgrace 5 months ago
@The5pointsofgrace I do not reveal personal information on-line and even less off-line with scum like you. The foul language IS necessary when dealing with your kind, for we see right through the phony smiles and attempts at being self-rightous. You only seek our anger and then complain about it when it manifests. If you treat people like dogs, expect to be bitten.
th3w01fv2 5 months ago
You are right bypassing the intellect does have a name, it's called your conscience. Which obviously must really be bothering you right now. I feel sorry for you my friend. You're lost blind soul headed to hell and you don't even know it. I'll be praying for you.
The5pointsofgrace 5 months ago
@The5pointsofgrace Nice try again. The whole "conscience" bit only works on those who are unaware of Ray Comfort's method. I am not in the least bothered. You hope that I am bothered because when they found you it bothered you since you're obviously easily manipulated.
And "praying for me" is Christianese for "fuck you". Right back at you, twit!
th3w01fv2 5 months ago
Not at all. a true believer will never get sucked into atheistic claims. If anything those who argue with Ray have more of a chance to having their spiritual eyes opened. Abortion is murder plain and simple. If it is a child outside of the body, it is a child inside the body. You can never get around that. You can only sear your conscience against it.
The5pointsofgrace 5 months ago 2
@The5pointsofgrace Bypassing the intellect has a name. It's called coercive persuasion. It's a vile, disgusting practice.
th3w01fv2 5 months ago
You have no moral conscience. Thanks for promoting Ray.
PS. God bless you :)
The5pointsofgrace 5 months ago
@The5pointsofgrace Nice try. That trick doesn't work. If I use your own logic doesn't it mean that Ray has been promoting Atheism all this time?
th3w01fv2 5 months ago
So then your stating that it is not a child? Because scientificly (not relgiously, please look it up) human life begins at conception. Or are you saying it is a uniquly desiged human life but not a child/baby? Are you really getting that caught up in semantics? Your issue is that they used the word Baby. Okay then when is it okay to kill a uniquly formed human being in the womb?
Not to get caught up in your politics(I'm Canadian) but is the current administration doing such a bang up job?
1andib 5 months ago
Sorry, not meaning to be rude, but when is it okay to kill a baby in the womb? What truth are you exactly exposing here? are you upset because they are possibly going to make money, because if that is the cause of your grief, you should be really upset to hear that the abotion industry makes a ton of cash. Again not meaning to be rude just trying to understand why you are so upset?
1andib 5 months ago 2
@1andib Nice try. At the current stages where abortions are made, it is not a "child". What I am exposing is the religious rights attempt to subjugate women into broodmares. And I am not upset, but concerned. It is an election year and they are pushing not one but two fundies as candidates. We cannot have another Bush Administration. It is unacceptable.
th3w01fv2 5 months ago
@th3w01fv2 hi, sorry, but you don't have to be religious to be pro-life. In case you didn't know, a fetus is always a baby. Science backs that with facts like the fetus having a heart beat and brain function. So when you say that a fetus is not a baby or living thing, what do you mean? Because you are wrong. A fetus is ALWAYS living, because nonliving things cannot regenerate from living things. A rock cannot turn into a human, so a human was always alive since conception, and possibly beforetht
cinsty96 5 months ago
so how many abortion have you had th3w01fv2 ? I'm sorry for your loss, thank you for posting this so I know what it was that he said so I can talk to those who need help in the pro life booth at the fair :)
wasillarocks 5 months ago 2
@wasillarocks To answer your question and comment. None and if you're stupid enough to use that question, be my guest. No need to thank me. Ray's 180 will be a failure.
th3w01fv2 5 months ago
I hate these assholes/
Justinfh2point0 5 months ago
@Justinfh2point0 Then you should rejoice at the fact that they are failing miserably at the task of making this "180" viral.
th3w01fv2 5 months ago
@th3w01fv2 Oh I am!
Justinfh2point0 5 months ago