I like the idea that hes sees this issue for what it is. Going to war means we WILL have a nuclear attack against us, and flat out attacking iran like we did iraq and afgan is not the best course of action.
SONUVABICH WHEN WILL PEOPLE REALIZE ISRAEL IS THE ENEMY...NOT THE MIDDLE EAST. someone will reply and tell me im an un-american piece of shit. but no. the people that support all of this nonsense and believe everything their told and dismiss people like me as crazy conspiracy theorist anti american pieces of shit are doing exactly what the higher powers(illuminati)/israel/zionists want them to do. KEEP DEFENDING THOSE WHO WILL CAUSE YOUR OWN DEMISE. "PATRIOTISM" WILL BE THE DEATH OF AMERICA
LOL she said at the end "As president I stand On the side of peace"...LMAO...yet "lets go bomb and Raid iran"...good job in making yourself look stupid michele
omg at the end. she stands on the side of peace so she goes to war to kill a country that might expand a little bit. crazy bitch just wants the land before they take it.
Ugh, these people don't even know what jihad means. I can tell you, it certainly does not mean world domination. And as an american, wtf do we have to do with isreal? like really? fuck islreal.
I like how Ron Paul looks at the audience and the moderators, but Michelle looks straight at the camera....idk, to me, looking right at the camera and not the audience you are speaking to is a bit...eh, fake? I guess I would say...I really can't find the word I'm looking for but maybe someone else understands me. Ron Paul 2012!
Did she just say that Iran was going to make one nuke and use that one nuke against Israel and the USA?
First off, Iran has not the capacity for an air force, let alone a nuclear weapon.
Second, ONE NUCLEAR WEAPON CAN'T WIPE ENTIRE NATIONS AWAY.
Third, America and Israel have thousands of nukes, so one nation with one nuke wouldn't commit suicide by launching it against nations that actually have a navy and air force and could occupy their country easily.
IRan said zionism should be wiped out of the pages of history.. not israel. even america during cold war with ussr said communism should be destroyed.. they didn't mean russia should be wiped out.. C'MON are america that dumb.. this bitch said iranian constitution declares war on america or some shit like that.. where??
@a717575 Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
americans your to stupid to vote for this man.. when i see people who are running for your future leader i have nothing but sadness for you people.. but when he misses out on the presidential election, at least do the honourable thing and send this man to europe ASAP.
how can she stand on the side of peace and promote war. thats like saying im not an alcoholic while sippin wine drinking beer and taking shots of vodka inbetween sips. what a crazy bitch.
jeesus who is this woman... is this for real? seriously is this for real? we live in age of technology 2012 and candidate running for president of the most powerful nation is talking about "madmen with nuclear weapon who wipes nations from the face of the earth.." maybe lil bit too jack bauer and 24h...
Michelle Bachmann talks like a dopey robot. She got her ass handed to her by Ron Paul! He wrapped that bitch up in intelligence! What Ron did was the equivalent of taking out his dick and whipping her across the face with it! Exactly what that bitch needed!
I mean I understand that Bachmann is a radical, but honestly?
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ALSO A TERRORIST ATTACK DID HAPPEN IN SWEDEN (in 2010). Luckily there were not many casualties, 2 people injured and the Iraqi suicide bomber died obviously from the explosion.
Bachman: I hope you sign up & volunteer to fight in Iran. Don't you know that Israel has nuclear weapons. Oh, but we don't know how many because they won't tell anyone. How stupid is she?
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Hahahahahahaha wooooooow that woman is DUMB. Seriously. Since when was going to war considered PEACE? This world is so effed up. Paul's our only hope, and he probably won't win :'( Time to move to Canada ppl.
Oh, go fuck yourself, he's the one wanting to stop doing the things that result in your country getting attacked while you're the one wanting to keep doing them and killing anybody who 'dares to oppose'.
I say, if nuclear weapons are so bad, get rid of yours. If a power hungry, war addicted nation can have such weapons, so does Iran.
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. If you don't want Dr Paul please send him to Australia. We DESPERATELY need smaller federal government and wastage down here!!!
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Wow just look at her trying to inflict fear into the people for the corporations profit. You immoral bitch. What a man Ron Paul is. What a fucking man. Here's a good quote that explains our situation at the moment. "A democracy is two wolfs and a sheep deciding on what to have for lunch"...........And were letting them. RON PAUL BABY!
lol Bachman said she was on the side of "piece" lmfao!!!! how the fuck do you gain piece by more war????????????? i'm so glad she is out of the race. i really hope she loses her top secret communications clearance though. that is a true threat to the world when people like her have access to info like that
i like how the our government spreads all these lies about how iran is bad and its been 2000 years since they invaded another country and what 9 years since we invaded iraq? Look at who the real danger to the world is, WE ARE!!!!
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The US supported the Iran nuclear program when it started. You reap what you sow, Michele, you little bitch.
I really want all countries to get nukes. As many as possible. Every fucking one, Andorra included. Then perhaps imperialists like Michele Barfman will think twice before stealing other people's oil.
@DrStrangebomb1993 Ah that's funny, i have thought the same too. I don't recall us talking about invading North Korea...oh yeah they have nukes that's why....
Michelle, close your legs and close your mouth okay?
you dont care about isreal as a nation, you only care about it because its where the bible is based and you dont want muslims to control it (which they shouldnt, it should be shared equally by jews, christians and muslims with a neutral governing body)
there is one flaw in the Constitution: it shouldn't allow for people with zero intelligence to speak on televised debates. IAEA lol she can hardly even spell that...
She is not even fit to be a maid and she is putting her fake eyelashes talking about subjects she has no clue.What has become of US to have her imagine herself as possible presidential candidate.
I am an iranian , WE HAVE NO INTENTIONS of bombing USA , why tha hell on earth would we want to bomb USA from all the way from middle EAST ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND!
why u defending israel you israel did 9-11 9 israeli mossad dance after like 10000 ppl died and israel have nuclear weapons . why you dying 4 israel like dogs ?
I love how after all of that she just randomly blurts out "But I stand on the side of peace" after saying we need to bomb Iran because of a POSSIBILITY of nuclear possession. Ridiculous.
Are we so stupid that we think we can stop a country from advancing. What gives us the right to decide what countries are allowed to advance their military and which ones need to stay in the stone ages. Besides if we don't want Iran to have a nuclear program we would stop buying their damn oil. Believe me dwelling around in the sand won't do us any good.
Average americans logic about war in todays world - "I am scared of being bombed so lets just bomb everybody that looks scary on t.v." like this if you think thats accurate. and bless the souls of all the innocent men, women, and children that have lost their lives, homes, or lively hood because of an unjustified u.s. invasion. and no dummy, that doesn't mean i support terrorists
We didn't want the Iraq war... Why are they trying to sell us an Iran war? What are these fucking idiots, retarded? OUR COUNTRY IS BANKRUPT!!! Why are we talking about more wars, with countries that we don't need to be going to war with. Everything now a days is, "In the name of Security". Wake up people, they are up to no good, have been for a long time. Using all this nonsense to slowly strip us of any rights we have left. We create terrorists by policing the world.
I have a dream. That Ron Paul will win the 2012 elections. I've never prayed to God, but from the bottom of my heart, I sincerely wish for this man to become the PRESIDENT of the U.S.
I'm going to be honest i only agree with what hes saying to a certain extent. Another war would certainly be disastrous, however the leader of Iran is crazy madman who will wipe out all Jews then move on to everyone else given the chance. So the USA has to be very cautious and keep an eye of them for sure
Iran is in deep friendship with Russia and China and has their support. We're not the only big world player, and our reckless spending is actually turning is into a minor player compared to China.
The Iranian government might be crazy and might get a nuke, but Israel has 300 nukes and state-of-the-art defense systems. They'll do fine even if Iran gets a nuke. Not to mention that Iran knows it would be vaporized within minutes of launching a nuke.
What is Ron Paul talking about? Did the Arabic spring not show that the people in those nations are not at all supporters of oppressive regimes? Saddam Hussein was the enemy of the people in those countries, removing him did not make Muslims hate the US. When 9-11 happened Muslims were already dancing in the streets and there was no war that this was a reaction to.
It sounds like Ron Paul is a multiculturalist of the Chamberlain school of thought here.
@Wushuki Couldn't agree more, however i do agree with some of what he said, America just cant afford another war right now. And unfortunately the countries of the Arab spring are still living under sharia law...
@harryluvessport I can understand that sentiment and can see that the wars in especially Iraq and Libya can be considered a waste.
However, ensuring safety is the absolute last thing that you should save money on, even during an economic crisis. It is clear that Iran is developing nuclear weapons and their religious fundamentalism and extreme hostility towards the West make it too likely that this will end badly. In such a situation, economic considerations become trivial.
@Wushuki The Soviet Union wanted to eliminate America and unlike Iran they actually had nuclear weapons - a lot of them. But like Iran now the Soviet Union knew that getting involved in a war with America would end in their own destruction. Iran is not going to use a nuclear weapon since it knows that it will annihilated if it does.
@flaminjamin Nevertheless there are at least three ways in which this is till problematic.
First, acquiring nuclear weapons prevents being attacked in conventional warfare. This gives Iran much greater freedom which it can use to, for example, invade Saudi Arabia.
Second, a cold war may have been possible with the USSR, because both sides acted rationally. It is not certain that religious extremists will be equally rational.
@Wushuki Why should we care that they invade Saudi Arabia? Give me one good reason why that's any of our business? We aren't world police and we never should let ourselves become that. It will bankrupt us and further make us a terrorist target. Oh wait, that's already happened? Well then stop doing it!
@Wushuki Why should we care that they invade Saudi Arabia? Give me one good reason why that's any of our business? We aren't world police and we never should let ourselves become that. It will bankrupt us and further make us a terrorist target. Oh wait, that's already happened? Well then stop doing it!
@Wushuki Are you seriously suggesting that Iran has the capabilities to nuke us? It's one thing to have a nuke, it's another to actually launch it at the US. The worst attack in our history was by the use of our own planes. They didn't smuggles in guns, swords, or bombs. The very insinuation that they would be able to nuke us is just fear-based lunacy. Stop living in fear and think rationally. They aren't a threat. Their airforce can't even reach us.
@ShotgunDiplomat Iran's missles can reach Israel and Europe. Would you prefer to stand idly by when your allies get wiped of the map? If so, you'll quickly find the world becoming more hostile, which will eventually affect the US. Should you not prevent such a situation when you still can do so relatively cheaply?
Even if you choose to discard submarine or terrorist based nuclear attacks on the US, long term strategy suggests you should not let your enemies grow powerful.
@Wushuki WE ARE THE ENEMY. That's the whole problem with americans. Americans don't realize how brain washed they are about their little world. They believe the US is the world's hero. That we do everything out of the sake of good. HELLO! We are the world's terrorist! WE CREATE THE TERROR. We are the one's flying all over the world as world police telling people what to do, dropping bombs, killing anyone who goes against us. We are in dark, dark times and Ron Paul is our only hope.
@macryan19 Ah, I see, so people like Gadhaffi and Assad who mass murder their own people are the good guys? The Taliban who prosecute and kill non-Muslims are morally superior to the US? Ahmadinejad, who claims to wish to wipe Israel of the map, refuses to hold fair elections and imprisons and tortures everyone that opposes him is actually a beacon of hope? What about Poetin or Hu Jintao?
Compared to the other civilizations out there, the West cannot reasonably be seen as immoral.
@Wushuki Oh, so you think all of those things aren't a product of the US being involved the Middle East since the early 50's, starting with the US-supported and funded coup of Iran in 1953 to overthrow an elected democracy to replace it with a dictator, to support Iraq when they were gassing their own people and get Saddam to be in power to fight off Iran in the early 80s, and doing the same to Iran, then to Osama bin Laden to fight off soviets while we murder his people and occupy their land?
@ArcanineKing And if you go even further back the US helped Stalin to keep in control of his country. So were they responsible for the existence of their enemy? To some extent, yes, but you must look at these situations in context. Had they not helped Stalin, they would have to fight a greater enemy Hitler.
At the time it was the right thing to do to drain the Soviets resources by supporting Islamists in Afghanistan, just like it was the right thing to help Stalin earlier.
@Wushuki Oh yeah, the US are really good people. Not only do they take other nation's sovereignity, break their own economy by giving foreign aid to rich people in poor countries, and even mobilize an army to build an empire in the middle east, but they build 900 bases in 150 countries, especially in Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Middle East, and bomb them for black gold, aka, oil.
We really are the good guys, and compared to the other dictators we helped into power, we're the best?
@Wushuki Ok let me make this clear. Israel is not our ally, WE are Israel's ally. The only reason to be allied in the first place is because we're over there in the Middle East, why would we need to continue an alliance if we got out of there? Where did this entitlement come from that we have to save the world? Not to mention, they don't even have nukes yet! Israel has 300 nukes and a very strong military. They can handle themselves and so can the UK. Stop acting like they're helpless.
@Wushuki And another thing, how could you make a statement of "relatively cheaply". How could you even know such a thing? Do you keep the books for the Government's militaristic budget? I don't think so. War is never cheap and it never will be cheap. What you're suggesting is to spend a lot of money waging war against a country that hasn't done anything, and doesn't even have nukes yet just because they COULD do something. Are you insane? That's called an UNCONSTITUTIONAL WAR.
@ShotgunDiplomat Your are aligned to Israel by civilizational similarity. Israel and the US are far better capable of working together than the US will ever be with any Islamic country. You don't choose allies, you have allies.
It is cheap to go to war now compared to having to go to war later. By then Iran may dominate the Middle East, have many nuclear weapons and you have no allies left. Consider WW2, would you have preferred to take out Hitler in 1933 or in 1950?
@Wushuki First of all, Iran does not have the necessary enrichment, less the capacity for building a working nuclear weapon.
Secondly, this war propaganda is way out of control. Helping dictators and fascists to fight them off against enemies is not how you deal with a threat, especially when Iraq and Stalin kills their own with the support of the US still unquestioned. It wasn't the right thing, it was the strategically thing to do to take control of other nations.
@Wushuki US is supposed to be a neutral, non-interventionist nation, that focuses on peace and prosperity. Right now, it's an isolationist country that wonders why the world hates them, if not for the actions they've done in the past to spark conflicts, overthrow elective democratic governments in favor of oil, supporting chemical genocides in Iraq while supporting them to fight against Iran, and the same for Iran, and now the illegal occupation of Iraq.
@Wushuki ...and then the US will 'intervene' in the best interests of the Middle East. I sense an Iraq scenario: No WMDs found, no Nukes found, CIA fucks up again? And the mass media in the US loves to promote war propaganda.
I guess you're not a strong believer of the US Constitution. Otherwise, this would be a rather... despicable thing to do when you're a nation with good morals and protect their civil liberties, not limit them and encourage death and war to other nations. Right or wrong.
@ArcanineKing With all the respect, your claims are ludicrous.
For Iraq it was reasonable to doubt the existence of nuclear weapons, in Iran it is not. There is overwhelming evidence for it.
And where did you get the idea that the whole world hates the US? Many, if not most, people in Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq were happy with the intervention.
The idea that the US invades these countries for oil is absurd. The wars cost much more than a few oil contracts will provide.
Could you please point me to credible evidence that states that Iran has nuclear weapons? It certainly is attempting to get nuclear weapons, however do you really believe that Israel for example, could not take care of itself? Do you believe that Iran would be ignorant enough to risk a nuclear exchange with Israel and the United States alike if they ever did posses it?
Where did you get the idea that the whole world loves the US? How do you know many people were happy of the intervention?
@ClassicMusicOnly 'Attempting' is a word politicians and news media outlets try to use to justify Iran's nuclear program.
First of all, the IAEA of the UN already stated the nuclear program is non-agressive and it's not meant to be for weapons building. Secondly, the Russian government, including Pakistan and other neighboring countries around Iran and Russia already support and encourages Iran to continue it's 'NON-AGGRESSIVE' nuclear program.
I never said the whole world loves the US though. I am merely saying that there are multiple groups in Islamic nations that have different views. Many Muslims in those nations have sided and are still siding with the West to rebuild their nation, any newspaper or other source of info will tell you that.
It is clear that Iran is developing nuclear weapons from the IAEA reports. See my other posts for your other points.
Yet you don't provide any proof for that. Bias, warmongering American media are not reliable sources and tell will tell you that Libya is overjoyed. Have you ever stopped to think that the United States sponsored these dictatorships? It sponsored the Egyptian one giving it billions of dollars in aid each year! We sponsored the Iranian Kingdom before the Islamic revolution as well.
We are not rebuilding their nation. We are simply reestablishing favorable governments.
@ClassicMusicOnly I don't see how you can believe that. If Gadhaffi slaughters his own population by the thousands and the West supports the population, then how can you still say that the population liked Gadhaffi better?
If you wish to discard all newspapers as unreliable, then you must provide more credible sources that contradict their reports. Simply stating that you do not believe in newspapers is absurd. About Mumbarak, then what would you have done if you were the US?
@Wushuki And in case you've not noticed, the majority of the Middle East has resent towards the US because of our involvement and invasion there. Building military bases all over Saudi Arabia, then Iraq, Afghanistan... and the majority of the people think we're invading because they don't know WHY the Americans are there in the first place, which is why the Taliban fights INVADERS to defend their land. 9/11, WTC bombing, the bombing of a US embassy by Arabs, etc.
@ArcanineKing Just some claims in a recent IAEA report about Iran:
1) Iran has attempted to acquire knowledge on how to produce nuclear weapons.
2) Iran does not cooperate with the inspections.
3) Iran is putting effort in being able to produce nuclear materials in secrecy.
Iran simultaneously started a rocket development program and has build underground explosive test sites. The IAEA claims "they are very concerned" and sees no other purpose than nuclear weapon development.
@ArcanineKing Why do you think Saudi Arabia allows the US the build bases there? Then take a look at the conflict in Afghanistan. Who did the fighting there? It was not the US, it was the "northern alliance", an Afghan freedom force. Then look at Libya, who did the fighting there? Again, the West provided only air support. There are multiple groups in Islamic nations, that do not share the same world view.
You depict the Taliban as "the Muslims", which is nonsensical.
@Wushuki First of all, the IAEA of the UN already stated the nuclear program is non-agressive and it's not meant to be for weapons building. Secondly, the Russian government, including Pakistan and other neighboring countries around Iran and Russia already support and encourages Iran to continue it's 'NON-AGGRESSIVE' nuclear program.
@Wushuki And yes, the US does invade countries for oil. Read the history of why Iran was overthrown in the first place, with one man who eventually ended up creating BP. Iraq had many oil ties and Saddam refused to sell oil to the US after a while.
Apparently, you don't know how the economy works. After WWII, the economy was booming, this is no exception. War generates profits, especially military contractors and oil businesses.
And I doubt 'many, if most people' are happy about it.
@Wushuki The only reason we have to be allied with Israel is if we continue operations in the Middle East, and we shouldn't do that. Trillions of dollars is not cheap, whether it's sooner or later. You're delusional. Israel has 300 nuclear arms already and a very strong military. Iran taking them over is almost completely out of the realm of possibilities. That's like suggesting Canada could take over the U.S. It's just not plausible. Stop trying to rationalize going into war.
@ShotgunDiplomat You strawman my point. I never said Iran would conquer Israel, I said it may dominate the Middle East. For example by keeping its enemies at bay with nuclear weapons while invading Saudi Arabia. What could happen is that Iran might destroy Israel in an episode of madness, which with Muslim fundamentalists is not that unrealistic.
That said, there is a good chance that there will be war within a year. If not, then we will get to see who is right eventually.
@Wushuki You can't just "destroy Israel". There is no such thing as a nuke that can destroy an entire country. If Iran nuked Israel and it's stock of 300 nuclear arms, retaliation would be certain. No matter how radical Iran is, they're not stupid. If we're willing to wage war before they even have the chance to have a nuke, imagine what we'd be willing to do if they used one? I'm sure they know this first hand. We can't just wage wars on "What could happen". That causes resentment.
@ShotgunDiplomat Israel is a tiny country and can be destroyed with nukes. They may retaliate, but Iran may not care, because the world will come to end and they will live on in heaven for all eternity afterwards.
You may say that no one really believes this, but if your entire point is based on the belief that Islamic fundamentalists don't really believe what they say they believe you are playing a dangerous game.
I am not saying that this will happen, but it is a scenario.
@Wushuki Getting blown up by a nuke does not constitute as a martyr so they wouldn't "live on in heaven for all eternity". Your arguments aren't based on what their beliefs are, it's what you THINK their beliefs are. Based on your statements, I doubt you've actually read any parts of the Koran. Believe it or not, but their entire government isn't based off of their own self-destruction. I'm not disputing it's a scenario, but what I am saying is it's an unrealistic scenario.
@ShotgunDiplomat Your views on Islam are not accurate. I have read the Quran, but this is not relevant. What is relevant is that many Muslims do believe in the apocalypse.
Ahmadinejad has literally said to "wipe Israel from the map" and claims that all the world's problems will disappear if everyone becomes Muslim. Saying that he is not insane enough is just a gamble on your part. And if you win, the gamble continues with the next Iranian president.
@ShotgunDiplomat Even if you wish to discard the insanity scenario, it is still clear that Iran is not going through all this trouble to put their nuclear weapons in a big vault once they are done, never to gain any leverage with them in any way.
If they complete their nuclear program, the West will pay for it sooner or later, one way or the other. And the price tag in that case may turn out to be much, much higher than defeating a nation with a "3rd rank military" would be.
@Wushuki "If they complete their nuclear program, the West will pay for it sooner or later, one way or the other" Of course because US will pressure and corner Iran and the only way out for Iran will be right thro US(Iran wants to protect there country and oil, and US wants to stop Iran from developing a nuclear weapon so it would be easyer to invade them"
I like the idea that hes sees this issue for what it is. Going to war means we WILL have a nuclear attack against us, and flat out attacking iran like we did iraq and afgan is not the best course of action.
chriseckel8 7 hours ago
SONUVABICH WHEN WILL PEOPLE REALIZE ISRAEL IS THE ENEMY...NOT THE MIDDLE EAST. someone will reply and tell me im an un-american piece of shit. but no. the people that support all of this nonsense and believe everything their told and dismiss people like me as crazy conspiracy theorist anti american pieces of shit are doing exactly what the higher powers(illuminati)/israel/zionists want them to do. KEEP DEFENDING THOSE WHO WILL CAUSE YOUR OWN DEMISE. "PATRIOTISM" WILL BE THE DEATH OF AMERICA
bwahaduuude 12 hours ago
ONLY 6 DISLIKES OUT OF 26,569 PEOPLE. THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN
oas1s2004 15 hours ago
LOL she said at the end "As president I stand On the side of peace"...LMAO...yet "lets go bomb and Raid iran"...good job in making yourself look stupid michele
Apollyon2119 17 hours ago
omg at the end. she stands on the side of peace so she goes to war to kill a country that might expand a little bit. crazy bitch just wants the land before they take it.
kylescotternest 1 day ago
i bet the nation of cuba is with ron paul. hahhaha
kylescotternest 1 day ago
GET SECURITY AROUnD THAT MAN. dr.ron paul.
kylescotternest 1 day ago
Ugh, these people don't even know what jihad means. I can tell you, it certainly does not mean world domination. And as an american, wtf do we have to do with isreal? like really? fuck islreal.
Naughtful 1 day ago
she believes him they all do...but they are nothing but paper mashey and piano wire
jackofeet1000 1 day ago
Michelle would get us all killed! >.<
IMMAEDEDDNEDDY 1 day ago
I like how Ron Paul looks at the audience and the moderators, but Michelle looks straight at the camera....idk, to me, looking right at the camera and not the audience you are speaking to is a bit...eh, fake? I guess I would say...I really can't find the word I'm looking for but maybe someone else understands me. Ron Paul 2012!
soupchicken89 2 days ago
damn she just got kicked in the face...
MIDWEST507REPIN 2 days ago
THAT BITCH GOT OWNED
georgelopezfan1111 3 days ago
Did she just say that Iran was going to make one nuke and use that one nuke against Israel and the USA?
First off, Iran has not the capacity for an air force, let alone a nuclear weapon.
Second, ONE NUCLEAR WEAPON CAN'T WIPE ENTIRE NATIONS AWAY.
Third, America and Israel have thousands of nukes, so one nation with one nuke wouldn't commit suicide by launching it against nations that actually have a navy and air force and could occupy their country easily.
masterskyrunner 3 days ago
IRan said zionism should be wiped out of the pages of history.. not israel. even america during cold war with ussr said communism should be destroyed.. they didn't mean russia should be wiped out.. C'MON are america that dumb.. this bitch said iranian constitution declares war on america or some shit like that.. where??
a717575 5 days ago
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@a717575 Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
marionetemanJ 5 days ago
americans your to stupid to vote for this man.. when i see people who are running for your future leader i have nothing but sadness for you people.. but when he misses out on the presidential election, at least do the honourable thing and send this man to europe ASAP.
a717575 5 days ago
its not right what Ron paul does.. its not fair.. he rapes them with intellect.. that just BULLYING. :)
a717575 5 days ago
FFS America...pull your head out of arses and start listening to the man!
Bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity!
CrashTrolo 5 days ago
how can she stand on the side of peace and promote war. thats like saying im not an alcoholic while sippin wine drinking beer and taking shots of vodka inbetween sips. what a crazy bitch.
kylescotternest 5 days ago
@kylescotternest i heard that too. crazy talk isnt it.
lisagibbon 3 days ago
jeesus who is this woman... is this for real? seriously is this for real? we live in age of technology 2012 and candidate running for president of the most powerful nation is talking about "madmen with nuclear weapon who wipes nations from the face of the earth.." maybe lil bit too jack bauer and 24h...
konttka 1 week ago
what an evil war mongering, mind corrupted bitch straight from hell
clownstep 1 week ago 12
@clownstep dont blame her she is a puppet, plain and simple...just ignore it and stick with the truth
jackofeet1000 1 day ago
Michelle Bachmann talks like a dopey robot. She got her ass handed to her by Ron Paul! He wrapped that bitch up in intelligence! What Ron did was the equivalent of taking out his dick and whipping her across the face with it! Exactly what that bitch needed!
JDBCreations 1 week ago
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I love it. She stands on the side of peace, but all she want's to do is bomb,bomb and bomb them some more. American bitch.
uplift20 1 week ago
I love it. She stands on the side of peace, but all she want's to do is bomb,bomb and bomb them some more. American bitch.
uplift20 1 week ago
was her make-up really that bad though?
I mean I understand that Bachmann is a radical, but honestly?
:D
ALSO A TERRORIST ATTACK DID HAPPEN IN SWEDEN (in 2010). Luckily there were not many casualties, 2 people injured and the Iraqi suicide bomber died obviously from the explosion.
steelpanther88 1 week ago
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2:48 LOL, I love annotations now!
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gmcandrew116 1 week ago
Mr Blame America first
walkerkiller50 1 week ago
@walkerkiller50 Ya, blame Canada. All there fault. Yep.
TheCreatorOf4 1 week ago
Bachman: I hope you sign up & volunteer to fight in Iran. Don't you know that Israel has nuclear weapons. Oh, but we don't know how many because they won't tell anyone. How stupid is she?
H1X2N4 1 week ago
Wow she a war mongering easily manipulated moron
Mezmurized22 1 week ago
i looked at G-chat when I heard that noise!!
pkeyte 2 weeks ago
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kings1647 2 weeks ago
Hahahahahahaha wooooooow that woman is DUMB. Seriously. Since when was going to war considered PEACE? This world is so effed up. Paul's our only hope, and he probably won't win :'( Time to move to Canada ppl.
carlito311 2 weeks ago
@carlito311 No, HE CAN WIN THIS. He's the last hope for our country.
bev61896 1 week ago
'But as president, I stand on the side of peace.'
Oh, go fuck yourself, he's the one wanting to stop doing the things that result in your country getting attacked while you're the one wanting to keep doing them and killing anybody who 'dares to oppose'.
I say, if nuclear weapons are so bad, get rid of yours. If a power hungry, war addicted nation can have such weapons, so does Iran.
fabaum22 2 weeks ago
SO BEAUTIFUL. TO BAD YOU SOUND STUPID.
D06DD 2 weeks ago
funny, A black man beats a female to the white house, what chance does she have that hilary does not
MassDebate67 2 weeks ago
Who are the idiots that applauded her? I say we gut ehm!
P0tatoPotato 3 weeks ago
@P0tatoPotato lets :)
TheUsmc29 3 weeks ago
@TheUsmc29 You and me bro >:D!
P0tatoPotato 2 weeks ago
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naitsirhc3002012 3 weeks ago
Her brain must be messed up she states at the end ''I stand at the side of peace'' Why do you want to go to war then? o.O
Keymikkel 3 weeks ago
WHO'S ON GMAIL!?
kunschner 3 weeks ago
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. If you don't want Dr Paul please send him to Australia. We DESPERATELY need smaller federal government and wastage down here!!!
Westo79 3 weeks ago
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Westo79 3 weeks ago
how many wars have iran started since their revolution?
how many wars have america started since world war 2?
do your maths bitch.
ron paul i love you
loserkiller007 3 weeks ago
When she's talking about the Iranian constitution saying it promotes jihad and a global caliphate...
Holy shit! Did you see her hand reach deep into her intestines and pull that right out of her ass!?
GHOSTpssrby 3 weeks ago
"but as president i stand on the side of peace" shut up bitch
askdjflasf 3 weeks ago
@gayutubefuckyou lmao i was tired when i wrote that haha
luvstosplugeify 3 weeks ago
stupid bachman
weidnerlaw 3 weeks ago
what debate is this ?
EvolXx 3 weeks ago
HE HAS MY VOTE.DONE!
saralis23 3 weeks ago
Thankfully Bachmann is out of the race. Her understanding of geopolitics is incredibly ignorant.
airliban 3 weeks ago
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"Romney does campaign first as Paul hopes for first win in Maine "
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Fight the good fight America, as Dr. Paul is fighting for us everyday, let us do our part to fight for him.
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Synkrasis0 3 weeks ago 2
Wow just look at her trying to inflict fear into the people for the corporations profit. You immoral bitch. What a man Ron Paul is. What a fucking man. Here's a good quote that explains our situation at the moment. "A democracy is two wolfs and a sheep deciding on what to have for lunch"...........And were letting them. RON PAUL BABY!
MrFreeitup777 4 weeks ago 2
lol Bachman said she was on the side of "piece" lmfao!!!! how the fuck do you gain piece by more war????????????? i'm so glad she is out of the race. i really hope she loses her top secret communications clearance though. that is a true threat to the world when people like her have access to info like that
luvstosplugeify 4 weeks ago
@luvstosplugeify peace -.- RP2012
gayutubefuckyou 3 weeks ago
i like how she talks straight to the camera and paul actually speaks to the people.
hammytataful 4 weeks ago
Ron Paul is soooooooo radical and dangerous.... he's got my vote!
AjNminbs 1 month ago 13
This man ought to be president.
klertzi 1 month ago
Ron Paul makes Neville Chaimberlain look like Chuck Norris.
koyunbaba73 1 month ago
i like how the our government spreads all these lies about how iran is bad and its been 2000 years since they invaded another country and what 9 years since we invaded iraq? Look at who the real danger to the world is, WE ARE!!!!
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Budsmokerhaha 1 month ago
The US supported the Iran nuclear program when it started. You reap what you sow, Michele, you little bitch.
I really want all countries to get nukes. As many as possible. Every fucking one, Andorra included. Then perhaps imperialists like Michele Barfman will think twice before stealing other people's oil.
DrStrangebomb1993 1 month ago
@DrStrangebomb1993 Ah that's funny, i have thought the same too. I don't recall us talking about invading North Korea...oh yeah they have nukes that's why....
urrejhipokritet 1 month ago
OH SHIT! FUCKED THAT BITCH UP!
CaptainErn 1 month ago
Michelle, close your legs and close your mouth okay?
you dont care about isreal as a nation, you only care about it because its where the bible is based and you dont want muslims to control it (which they shouldnt, it should be shared equally by jews, christians and muslims with a neutral governing body)
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Heat5465 1 month ago
there is one flaw in the Constitution: it shouldn't allow for people with zero intelligence to speak on televised debates. IAEA lol she can hardly even spell that...
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AlMulazimChannel 1 month ago
She is not even fit to be a maid and she is putting her fake eyelashes talking about subjects she has no clue.What has become of US to have her imagine herself as possible presidential candidate.
some one should ask her what IAEA stands for .
jessicasmart92 1 month ago
what a major wastegash, someone tape her mouth shutt and save the americans the imbaresment!
kinglefteye 1 month ago
LMFAO @ "i got this"
swat420 1 month ago
Bottomline RP cannot be fucked with
veriven2 1 month ago
feed fear, feed fear, feed fear
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Ron Paul or riot. No more rigging this time or we'll wage a civil war.
TheSolitaryRex 1 month ago
she thinks that waving her hand and speaking slower is going to make people listen to her
hammytataful 1 month ago
@hammytataful she thinks she's a jedi
Neko3Noskire 1 month ago
@Neko3Noskire i know right
hammytataful 1 month ago
If Iran want Nuke,they can buy anytime.dont need to build nuke. Iran is rich.
paichangso 1 month ago
Ron Paul
is BOSS
wannytheviking 1 month ago
3:59 "I stand on the side of peace". War isn't peace.
onedollarbill94 1 month ago
Whenever a candidate tries to scare you without probable cause or evidence of a threat, THEY ARE FULL OF SHIT. Period.
MrHaircut1 1 month ago
LMAO at the captions!!!!
michelle got pimped!!!
RON PAUL IS MY HERO!!!!
izik303 1 month ago
Bachmann you dumb fuck... Grow up please.
AlfredtheGreat95 1 month ago
I am an iranian , WE HAVE NO INTENTIONS of bombing USA , why tha hell on earth would we want to bomb USA from all the way from middle EAST ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND!
cazanova2013260 1 month ago
3:58 "But as President, I stand on the side of peace." That seems plausible...
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97gs500e 1 month ago
"I GOT THIS!" ROFLMAO
Chinesekage 1 month ago
why u defending israel you israel did 9-11 9 israeli mossad dance after like 10000 ppl died and israel have nuclear weapons . why you dying 4 israel like dogs ?
SUPERIRAQIII 1 month ago
I love how after all of that she just randomly blurts out "But I stand on the side of peace" after saying we need to bomb Iran because of a POSSIBILITY of nuclear possession. Ridiculous.
ShotgunDiplomat 1 month ago
mmm I smell .............
oil
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yodaddy05 1 month ago
Are we so stupid that we think we can stop a country from advancing. What gives us the right to decide what countries are allowed to advance their military and which ones need to stay in the stone ages. Besides if we don't want Iran to have a nuclear program we would stop buying their damn oil. Believe me dwelling around in the sand won't do us any good.
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Yea, we are the ones FUNDING their nuclear programs, by buying their oil.
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Severddans 1 month ago
Thank god this fearmongering bitch is out of the race.
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CCLJunky 1 month ago
This video puts chAT IN MY GMAIL
RappyMcRapperson 1 month ago
i got this lol
itsampofcourse 1 month ago
Average americans logic about war in todays world - "I am scared of being bombed so lets just bomb everybody that looks scary on t.v." like this if you think thats accurate. and bless the souls of all the innocent men, women, and children that have lost their lives, homes, or lively hood because of an unjustified u.s. invasion. and no dummy, that doesn't mean i support terrorists
Gnarlow87 1 month ago
listening to bachman i think sarah palin wrote that speech for her.
MrXclio 1 month ago 6
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sydswirl 1 month ago
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i domt know about you guys, but im with Dr. Paul on this one and think Bachmann is full of it.
Sofakingbeastn 1 month ago
Whats with Bachmann and her "unined states"?
DOPFunk 1 month ago
Michelle Bachmann, dropped out (no surprise) in January.
Like Sarah Palin, nothing of value was lost.
Vengeance31 1 month ago
I wish America would stop buying into fear tactics. We need a president like Paul now, MORE THAN EVER.
jinglebearr 1 month ago
We didn't want the Iraq war... Why are they trying to sell us an Iran war? What are these fucking idiots, retarded? OUR COUNTRY IS BANKRUPT!!! Why are we talking about more wars, with countries that we don't need to be going to war with. Everything now a days is, "In the name of Security". Wake up people, they are up to no good, have been for a long time. Using all this nonsense to slowly strip us of any rights we have left. We create terrorists by policing the world.
jjiggydoc 1 month ago
"I stand on the side of peace." By starting another war???? ROFLMBBQAO!!!! XD
tiger1chu 1 month ago
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trumpoke9999 1 month ago
i am a muslim. thank you ron paul. you understand us
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TerrorWarrior5000 1 month ago
I madly searched for my Gmail tab because I thought someone was talking to me, but then I realized it was on the video -_- (0:31)
Nirke 1 month ago 18
after arguing for war for 4 minutes she claims to stand on the side of peace, this is obviously an unstable person
TheMdc78 1 month ago 3
RIGHT ON RON PAUL! Michelle BLOCKMAN is a fucking Manchurian candidate a fucking puppet.
matt2fresh84 1 month ago
I have a dream. That Ron Paul will win the 2012 elections. I've never prayed to God, but from the bottom of my heart, I sincerely wish for this man to become the PRESIDENT of the U.S.
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Severddans 1 month ago
I'm going to be honest i only agree with what hes saying to a certain extent. Another war would certainly be disastrous, however the leader of Iran is crazy madman who will wipe out all Jews then move on to everyone else given the chance. So the USA has to be very cautious and keep an eye of them for sure
harryluvessport 1 month ago
@harryluvessport
Iran is in deep friendship with Russia and China and has their support. We're not the only big world player, and our reckless spending is actually turning is into a minor player compared to China.
The Iranian government might be crazy and might get a nuke, but Israel has 300 nukes and state-of-the-art defense systems. They'll do fine even if Iran gets a nuke. Not to mention that Iran knows it would be vaporized within minutes of launching a nuke.
Tezcatlepocatl 1 month ago
What is Ron Paul talking about? Did the Arabic spring not show that the people in those nations are not at all supporters of oppressive regimes? Saddam Hussein was the enemy of the people in those countries, removing him did not make Muslims hate the US. When 9-11 happened Muslims were already dancing in the streets and there was no war that this was a reaction to.
It sounds like Ron Paul is a multiculturalist of the Chamberlain school of thought here.
Wushuki 1 month ago
@Wushuki Couldn't agree more, however i do agree with some of what he said, America just cant afford another war right now. And unfortunately the countries of the Arab spring are still living under sharia law...
harryluvessport 1 month ago
@harryluvessport I can understand that sentiment and can see that the wars in especially Iraq and Libya can be considered a waste.
However, ensuring safety is the absolute last thing that you should save money on, even during an economic crisis. It is clear that Iran is developing nuclear weapons and their religious fundamentalism and extreme hostility towards the West make it too likely that this will end badly. In such a situation, economic considerations become trivial.
Wushuki 1 month ago
@Wushuki The Soviet Union wanted to eliminate America and unlike Iran they actually had nuclear weapons - a lot of them. But like Iran now the Soviet Union knew that getting involved in a war with America would end in their own destruction. Iran is not going to use a nuclear weapon since it knows that it will annihilated if it does.
flaminjamin 1 month ago
@flaminjamin Nevertheless there are at least three ways in which this is till problematic.
First, acquiring nuclear weapons prevents being attacked in conventional warfare. This gives Iran much greater freedom which it can use to, for example, invade Saudi Arabia.
Second, a cold war may have been possible with the USSR, because both sides acted rationally. It is not certain that religious extremists will be equally rational.
Third, nuclear weapons could go "missing".
Wushuki 1 month ago
@Wushuki Why should we care that they invade Saudi Arabia? Give me one good reason why that's any of our business? We aren't world police and we never should let ourselves become that. It will bankrupt us and further make us a terrorist target. Oh wait, that's already happened? Well then stop doing it!
ShotgunDiplomat 1 month ago
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@Wushuki Why should we care that they invade Saudi Arabia? Give me one good reason why that's any of our business? We aren't world police and we never should let ourselves become that. It will bankrupt us and further make us a terrorist target. Oh wait, that's already happened? Well then stop doing it!
ShotgunDiplomat 1 month ago
@Wushuki Are you seriously suggesting that Iran has the capabilities to nuke us? It's one thing to have a nuke, it's another to actually launch it at the US. The worst attack in our history was by the use of our own planes. They didn't smuggles in guns, swords, or bombs. The very insinuation that they would be able to nuke us is just fear-based lunacy. Stop living in fear and think rationally. They aren't a threat. Their airforce can't even reach us.
ShotgunDiplomat 1 month ago
@ShotgunDiplomat Iran's missles can reach Israel and Europe. Would you prefer to stand idly by when your allies get wiped of the map? If so, you'll quickly find the world becoming more hostile, which will eventually affect the US. Should you not prevent such a situation when you still can do so relatively cheaply?
Even if you choose to discard submarine or terrorist based nuclear attacks on the US, long term strategy suggests you should not let your enemies grow powerful.
Wushuki 1 month ago
@Wushuki WE ARE THE ENEMY. That's the whole problem with americans. Americans don't realize how brain washed they are about their little world. They believe the US is the world's hero. That we do everything out of the sake of good. HELLO! We are the world's terrorist! WE CREATE THE TERROR. We are the one's flying all over the world as world police telling people what to do, dropping bombs, killing anyone who goes against us. We are in dark, dark times and Ron Paul is our only hope.
macryan19 1 month ago
@macryan19 Ah, I see, so people like Gadhaffi and Assad who mass murder their own people are the good guys? The Taliban who prosecute and kill non-Muslims are morally superior to the US? Ahmadinejad, who claims to wish to wipe Israel of the map, refuses to hold fair elections and imprisons and tortures everyone that opposes him is actually a beacon of hope? What about Poetin or Hu Jintao?
Compared to the other civilizations out there, the West cannot reasonably be seen as immoral.
Wushuki 1 month ago
@Wushuki Oh, so you think all of those things aren't a product of the US being involved the Middle East since the early 50's, starting with the US-supported and funded coup of Iran in 1953 to overthrow an elected democracy to replace it with a dictator, to support Iraq when they were gassing their own people and get Saddam to be in power to fight off Iran in the early 80s, and doing the same to Iran, then to Osama bin Laden to fight off soviets while we murder his people and occupy their land?
ArcanineKing 1 month ago
@ArcanineKing And if you go even further back the US helped Stalin to keep in control of his country. So were they responsible for the existence of their enemy? To some extent, yes, but you must look at these situations in context. Had they not helped Stalin, they would have to fight a greater enemy Hitler.
At the time it was the right thing to do to drain the Soviets resources by supporting Islamists in Afghanistan, just like it was the right thing to help Stalin earlier.
Wushuki 1 month ago
@Wushuki Oh yeah, the US are really good people. Not only do they take other nation's sovereignity, break their own economy by giving foreign aid to rich people in poor countries, and even mobilize an army to build an empire in the middle east, but they build 900 bases in 150 countries, especially in Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Middle East, and bomb them for black gold, aka, oil.
We really are the good guys, and compared to the other dictators we helped into power, we're the best?
ArcanineKing 1 month ago
@Wushuki Ok let me make this clear. Israel is not our ally, WE are Israel's ally. The only reason to be allied in the first place is because we're over there in the Middle East, why would we need to continue an alliance if we got out of there? Where did this entitlement come from that we have to save the world? Not to mention, they don't even have nukes yet! Israel has 300 nukes and a very strong military. They can handle themselves and so can the UK. Stop acting like they're helpless.
ShotgunDiplomat 1 month ago
@Wushuki And another thing, how could you make a statement of "relatively cheaply". How could you even know such a thing? Do you keep the books for the Government's militaristic budget? I don't think so. War is never cheap and it never will be cheap. What you're suggesting is to spend a lot of money waging war against a country that hasn't done anything, and doesn't even have nukes yet just because they COULD do something. Are you insane? That's called an UNCONSTITUTIONAL WAR.
ShotgunDiplomat 1 month ago
@ShotgunDiplomat Your are aligned to Israel by civilizational similarity. Israel and the US are far better capable of working together than the US will ever be with any Islamic country. You don't choose allies, you have allies.
It is cheap to go to war now compared to having to go to war later. By then Iran may dominate the Middle East, have many nuclear weapons and you have no allies left. Consider WW2, would you have preferred to take out Hitler in 1933 or in 1950?
Wushuki 1 month ago
@Wushuki First of all, Iran does not have the necessary enrichment, less the capacity for building a working nuclear weapon.
Secondly, this war propaganda is way out of control. Helping dictators and fascists to fight them off against enemies is not how you deal with a threat, especially when Iraq and Stalin kills their own with the support of the US still unquestioned. It wasn't the right thing, it was the strategically thing to do to take control of other nations.
War is an ugly business.
ArcanineKing 1 month ago
@Wushuki US is supposed to be a neutral, non-interventionist nation, that focuses on peace and prosperity. Right now, it's an isolationist country that wonders why the world hates them, if not for the actions they've done in the past to spark conflicts, overthrow elective democratic governments in favor of oil, supporting chemical genocides in Iraq while supporting them to fight against Iran, and the same for Iran, and now the illegal occupation of Iraq.
Iran will do nothing but stand there...
ArcanineKing 1 month ago
@Wushuki ...and then the US will 'intervene' in the best interests of the Middle East. I sense an Iraq scenario: No WMDs found, no Nukes found, CIA fucks up again? And the mass media in the US loves to promote war propaganda.
I guess you're not a strong believer of the US Constitution. Otherwise, this would be a rather... despicable thing to do when you're a nation with good morals and protect their civil liberties, not limit them and encourage death and war to other nations. Right or wrong.
ArcanineKing 1 month ago
@ArcanineKing With all the respect, your claims are ludicrous.
For Iraq it was reasonable to doubt the existence of nuclear weapons, in Iran it is not. There is overwhelming evidence for it.
And where did you get the idea that the whole world hates the US? Many, if not most, people in Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq were happy with the intervention.
The idea that the US invades these countries for oil is absurd. The wars cost much more than a few oil contracts will provide.
Wushuki 1 month ago
Could you please point me to credible evidence that states that Iran has nuclear weapons? It certainly is attempting to get nuclear weapons, however do you really believe that Israel for example, could not take care of itself? Do you believe that Iran would be ignorant enough to risk a nuclear exchange with Israel and the United States alike if they ever did posses it?
Where did you get the idea that the whole world loves the US? How do you know many people were happy of the intervention?
ClassicMusicOnly 1 month ago
@ClassicMusicOnly 'Attempting' is a word politicians and news media outlets try to use to justify Iran's nuclear program.
First of all, the IAEA of the UN already stated the nuclear program is non-agressive and it's not meant to be for weapons building. Secondly, the Russian government, including Pakistan and other neighboring countries around Iran and Russia already support and encourages Iran to continue it's 'NON-AGGRESSIVE' nuclear program.
ArcanineKing 1 month ago
@ClassicMusicOnly I assume that was a reaction to me.
I never said the whole world loves the US though. I am merely saying that there are multiple groups in Islamic nations that have different views. Many Muslims in those nations have sided and are still siding with the West to rebuild their nation, any newspaper or other source of info will tell you that.
It is clear that Iran is developing nuclear weapons from the IAEA reports. See my other posts for your other points.
Wushuki 1 month ago
Yet you don't provide any proof for that. Bias, warmongering American media are not reliable sources and tell will tell you that Libya is overjoyed. Have you ever stopped to think that the United States sponsored these dictatorships? It sponsored the Egyptian one giving it billions of dollars in aid each year! We sponsored the Iranian Kingdom before the Islamic revolution as well.
We are not rebuilding their nation. We are simply reestablishing favorable governments.
ClassicMusicOnly 1 month ago
@ClassicMusicOnly I don't see how you can believe that. If Gadhaffi slaughters his own population by the thousands and the West supports the population, then how can you still say that the population liked Gadhaffi better?
If you wish to discard all newspapers as unreliable, then you must provide more credible sources that contradict their reports. Simply stating that you do not believe in newspapers is absurd. About Mumbarak, then what would you have done if you were the US?
Wushuki 1 month ago
@Wushuki And in case you've not noticed, the majority of the Middle East has resent towards the US because of our involvement and invasion there. Building military bases all over Saudi Arabia, then Iraq, Afghanistan... and the majority of the people think we're invading because they don't know WHY the Americans are there in the first place, which is why the Taliban fights INVADERS to defend their land. 9/11, WTC bombing, the bombing of a US embassy by Arabs, etc.
That's not resentment?
ArcanineKing 1 month ago
@ArcanineKing Just some claims in a recent IAEA report about Iran:
1) Iran has attempted to acquire knowledge on how to produce nuclear weapons.
2) Iran does not cooperate with the inspections.
3) Iran is putting effort in being able to produce nuclear materials in secrecy.
Iran simultaneously started a rocket development program and has build underground explosive test sites. The IAEA claims "they are very concerned" and sees no other purpose than nuclear weapon development.
Wushuki 1 month ago
@ArcanineKing Why do you think Saudi Arabia allows the US the build bases there? Then take a look at the conflict in Afghanistan. Who did the fighting there? It was not the US, it was the "northern alliance", an Afghan freedom force. Then look at Libya, who did the fighting there? Again, the West provided only air support. There are multiple groups in Islamic nations, that do not share the same world view.
You depict the Taliban as "the Muslims", which is nonsensical.
Wushuki 1 month ago
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@Wushuki First of all, the IAEA of the UN already stated the nuclear program is non-agressive and it's not meant to be for weapons building. Secondly, the Russian government, including Pakistan and other neighboring countries around Iran and Russia already support and encourages Iran to continue it's 'NON-AGGRESSIVE' nuclear program.
ArcanineKing 1 month ago
@Wushuki And yes, the US does invade countries for oil. Read the history of why Iran was overthrown in the first place, with one man who eventually ended up creating BP. Iraq had many oil ties and Saddam refused to sell oil to the US after a while.
Apparently, you don't know how the economy works. After WWII, the economy was booming, this is no exception. War generates profits, especially military contractors and oil businesses.
And I doubt 'many, if most people' are happy about it.
ArcanineKing 1 month ago
@Wushuki The only reason we have to be allied with Israel is if we continue operations in the Middle East, and we shouldn't do that. Trillions of dollars is not cheap, whether it's sooner or later. You're delusional. Israel has 300 nuclear arms already and a very strong military. Iran taking them over is almost completely out of the realm of possibilities. That's like suggesting Canada could take over the U.S. It's just not plausible. Stop trying to rationalize going into war.
ShotgunDiplomat 1 month ago
@ShotgunDiplomat You strawman my point. I never said Iran would conquer Israel, I said it may dominate the Middle East. For example by keeping its enemies at bay with nuclear weapons while invading Saudi Arabia. What could happen is that Iran might destroy Israel in an episode of madness, which with Muslim fundamentalists is not that unrealistic.
That said, there is a good chance that there will be war within a year. If not, then we will get to see who is right eventually.
Wushuki 1 month ago
@Wushuki You can't just "destroy Israel". There is no such thing as a nuke that can destroy an entire country. If Iran nuked Israel and it's stock of 300 nuclear arms, retaliation would be certain. No matter how radical Iran is, they're not stupid. If we're willing to wage war before they even have the chance to have a nuke, imagine what we'd be willing to do if they used one? I'm sure they know this first hand. We can't just wage wars on "What could happen". That causes resentment.
ShotgunDiplomat 1 month ago
@ShotgunDiplomat Israel is a tiny country and can be destroyed with nukes. They may retaliate, but Iran may not care, because the world will come to end and they will live on in heaven for all eternity afterwards.
You may say that no one really believes this, but if your entire point is based on the belief that Islamic fundamentalists don't really believe what they say they believe you are playing a dangerous game.
I am not saying that this will happen, but it is a scenario.
Wushuki 1 month ago
@Wushuki Getting blown up by a nuke does not constitute as a martyr so they wouldn't "live on in heaven for all eternity". Your arguments aren't based on what their beliefs are, it's what you THINK their beliefs are. Based on your statements, I doubt you've actually read any parts of the Koran. Believe it or not, but their entire government isn't based off of their own self-destruction. I'm not disputing it's a scenario, but what I am saying is it's an unrealistic scenario.
ShotgunDiplomat 1 month ago
@ShotgunDiplomat Your views on Islam are not accurate. I have read the Quran, but this is not relevant. What is relevant is that many Muslims do believe in the apocalypse.
Ahmadinejad has literally said to "wipe Israel from the map" and claims that all the world's problems will disappear if everyone becomes Muslim. Saying that he is not insane enough is just a gamble on your part. And if you win, the gamble continues with the next Iranian president.
Wushuki 1 month ago
@ShotgunDiplomat Even if you wish to discard the insanity scenario, it is still clear that Iran is not going through all this trouble to put their nuclear weapons in a big vault once they are done, never to gain any leverage with them in any way.
If they complete their nuclear program, the West will pay for it sooner or later, one way or the other. And the price tag in that case may turn out to be much, much higher than defeating a nation with a "3rd rank military" would be.
Wushuki 1 month ago
@Wushuki "If they complete their nuclear program, the West will pay for it sooner or later, one way or the other" Of course because US will pressure and corner Iran and the only way out for Iran will be right thro US(Iran wants to protect there country and oil, and US wants to stop Iran from developing a nuclear weapon so it would be easyer to invade them"
LorDulicious 1 month ago