@420Vali It is difficult if it happends without you doing it on purpose, in that case its mostly experience. It is a mix of rear brake, engine brake and steering. A lot of practice and crashing ;) I use the rear brake a lot while others dont use it at all
The Scandinavian flick consists in turning opposite to the corner so the (lets put an example, right hand corner) weight goes to the right tires, then you turn to the right and you need all the weight to be in the left tires, but it is on the right tires so the car oversteers.
It's mostly done when you need to oversteer in rally, in FWD cars, or low powered cars. I don't know how it would apply to a bycicle as it does not have left/right tires
Actually, it works the same way, but you kind of slip the weight onto the rear wheel while you turn to the opposite direction. It would work the same way on a bicycle, but it'll be much harder because the speed required will be tiring, and it'll probably only work on BMXs or bicycles with worn up tires...Correct me if i'm wrong though.
I do practice a lot in the rally car too and we never lock the rear wheels (and I do not lock the rear wheel in this vid either!), we just make them spin slower than the front, as in this video. The technique I use for the scand flick is the same in the car as on the bike, with the exception that in the car we've got brake balance controller and you only need to steer while braking to get the effect (or get off the throttle rapidly)
The whole point is to get the car to slide faster into corner
Also Olof, The scan. flick has been around since Hannu and Timo in the 60's so im sure what they were doing in 2 wheel drive cars would be different to Toivonen 80's and Mcrae 90's in 4 wheel drive cars yet they all call it the scan. flick.
I'm not sure what kind of four wheel drive system they have been using but it is very different from different 4wd drive systems too. The Toyota has/had the 50/50 system which is much like driving a FWD car that has drive on exit, using the scand flick with that system is not a option, its a requirement!
Thank you very much :) On the ice you've got a little bit wider limits which makes it look more entertaining :) What do you ride? We race cars on the ice too!
From what I can understand the flick is just that you slide it in the opposite direction before you enter the corner, to use all the space of the road you can.
In a rally car you have brake balance controller, on a bike you don't, you do it by yourself instead. In my opinion the rear brake is NOT the same thing as a handbrake.
The scandinavian flick counters understeer, car, bike, fire engine whatever the vehicle might be it TRIES TO CONTINUE STRAIGHT AHEAD. The rear is locked and slid AWAY from the corner and opposite lock is applied. Now, when the slid ends, the weight moves forward and flicks the vehicle INTO the turn. That is the whole point to it.
Having said that I still feel this bike rider is very skilled and I enjoyed watching him, its just that to call it a scan. flick might not be correct.
nice video, arent you scared to highsite when doing the flick. i did that once and the wheel dindt slipped and i got flicked of the bike You got guts to do that
I've been doing it so much its kind of natural, you dont think about it :) The highside most often come from being scared and stop doing what you're doing. Its always better to stay on brakes (or throttle if you're going out of the corner) and lowside in the worst case.
Ska du köpa en ny och ska köra på gata me den så tycker jag att du ska köpa en 550. På med KN filter och silmoto avgasystem från aliceracing så blir det riktigt tryck i den!
Very nice O. Your throttle and brake control is very impressive. Have you ever done any road racing? Backing in a 400 lb sport bike feels a little different! I'm sure you'd enjoy it!
Yes, I have done one race on a 600R bike. It was two years ago tho. It feels even easier to powerslide a big fast bike but backing it in doesnt give as much gain as in supermoto :/
It is all done during braking, you downshift after you have applied brakes and the rear end breaks loose. Then you steer how much it slides with the rear brake. At a certain point you line up the wheels again and get on the throttle!
Fraco, da esse motor pra mim ensinar como que se faz.
thiagoassisflex 11 months ago
This is some awesome riding. Thing is- how do you control a slide like that on a bike? weight shift/ brake control?
420Vali 1 year ago
@420Vali It is difficult if it happends without you doing it on purpose, in that case its mostly experience. It is a mix of rear brake, engine brake and steering. A lot of practice and crashing ;) I use the rear brake a lot while others dont use it at all
oller1985 1 year ago
@oller1985 Cool. I'm pretty familiar with car control, but controlling a bike seems much more complex.
420Vali 1 year ago
@420Vali It is, you have more variables + it hurts to fail :) I´m leaning towards car racing nowdays it just sucks that its so frickin expensive
oller1985 1 year ago
@420Vali
maradeanu 8 months ago
Fantastic skills. Enough said.
hgjisnfdlishdjthlre 2 years ago
The Scandinavian flick consists in turning opposite to the corner so the (lets put an example, right hand corner) weight goes to the right tires, then you turn to the right and you need all the weight to be in the left tires, but it is on the right tires so the car oversteers.
It's mostly done when you need to oversteer in rally, in FWD cars, or low powered cars. I don't know how it would apply to a bycicle as it does not have left/right tires
QSQCaito 3 years ago
Actually, it works the same way, but you kind of slip the weight onto the rear wheel while you turn to the opposite direction. It would work the same way on a bicycle, but it'll be much harder because the speed required will be tiring, and it'll probably only work on BMXs or bicycles with worn up tires...Correct me if i'm wrong though.
Mnpunkrulez 2 years ago
The rear is locked and the VEHICLE is slid AWAY from the corner so it would read clearer if I said TOWARDS the corner.
851corsa 3 years ago
I do practice a lot in the rally car too and we never lock the rear wheels (and I do not lock the rear wheel in this vid either!), we just make them spin slower than the front, as in this video. The technique I use for the scand flick is the same in the car as on the bike, with the exception that in the car we've got brake balance controller and you only need to steer while braking to get the effect (or get off the throttle rapidly)
The whole point is to get the car to slide faster into corner
oller1985 3 years ago
It don't mater what I think, its you on the bike getting the thrills, Its your video, call it what you want.
The riding is skillful whatever you call it!
Out of interest though, does weight transfer cause it to turn in to the apex or are you steering it in?
851corsa 3 years ago
Thank you :)
Weight transfer is causing it to turn in yes!
oller1985 3 years ago
Then YES, I would call this a scan. flick.
Also Olof, The scan. flick has been around since Hannu and Timo in the 60's so im sure what they were doing in 2 wheel drive cars would be different to Toivonen 80's and Mcrae 90's in 4 wheel drive cars yet they all call it the scan. flick.
ps I like your Ice riding video best. Very Doohan
851corsa 3 years ago
I'm not sure what kind of four wheel drive system they have been using but it is very different from different 4wd drive systems too. The Toyota has/had the 50/50 system which is much like driving a FWD car that has drive on exit, using the scand flick with that system is not a option, its a requirement!
Thank you very much :) On the ice you've got a little bit wider limits which makes it look more entertaining :) What do you ride? We race cars on the ice too!
oller1985 3 years ago
Rear brake on, turn in, hold the slide, power out. Thats a handbrake turn not a scan. fl,
851corsa 3 years ago
From what I can understand the flick is just that you slide it in the opposite direction before you enter the corner, to use all the space of the road you can.
In a rally car you have brake balance controller, on a bike you don't, you do it by yourself instead. In my opinion the rear brake is NOT the same thing as a handbrake.
oller1985 3 years ago
The scandinavian flick counters understeer, car, bike, fire engine whatever the vehicle might be it TRIES TO CONTINUE STRAIGHT AHEAD. The rear is locked and slid AWAY from the corner and opposite lock is applied. Now, when the slid ends, the weight moves forward and flicks the vehicle INTO the turn. That is the whole point to it.
Having said that I still feel this bike rider is very skilled and I enjoyed watching him, its just that to call it a scan. flick might not be correct.
851corsa 3 years ago
Hahaha, sick!
audiobuttmaster 3 years ago
ha ha
I didn't even know it was possible to do a Scandinavian flick on a bike!
jools182 3 years ago
nither did i
nicotrial 3 years ago
very nice!
Skulle hatt halvparten av den kontrollen du har på motard:)
texaz67 4 years ago
Det kommer bara man tränar :D
oller1985 4 years ago
nice video, arent you scared to highsite when doing the flick. i did that once and the wheel dindt slipped and i got flicked of the bike You got guts to do that
mikabrandl 4 years ago
I've been doing it so much its kind of natural, you dont think about it :) The highside most often come from being scared and stop doing what you're doing. Its always better to stay on brakes (or throttle if you're going out of the corner) and lowside in the worst case.
oller1985 4 years ago
Jadu Olof, du kan då verkligen åka :)
Hur är livet i skellefteå?
/Rickii @ sporthoj
InternetheroxD 4 years ago
Tjena! Tackar :) Just nu är det snöigt och lite för tunn is för att ploga så livet står ganska still just nu ;)
oller1985 4 years ago
tråkigt tråkigt.. :/
Ska köpa en ny sxv, men kan inte bestämma mig, 450 eller 550:n? :)
InternetheroxD 4 years ago
Trodde jag svarat här men icke det...
Ska du köpa en ny och ska köra på gata me den så tycker jag att du ska köpa en 550. På med KN filter och silmoto avgasystem från aliceracing så blir det riktigt tryck i den!
oller1985 4 years ago
0 to 100 in how many seconds?
weemannetje 4 years ago
Im not really sure but I guess around 4
oller1985 4 years ago
Very nice O. Your throttle and brake control is very impressive. Have you ever done any road racing? Backing in a 400 lb sport bike feels a little different! I'm sure you'd enjoy it!
stubikeco 4 years ago
Thank you :)
Yes, I have done one race on a 600R bike. It was two years ago tho. It feels even easier to powerslide a big fast bike but backing it in doesnt give as much gain as in supermoto :/
oller1985 4 years ago
so nice.. i will get a sxv4.5 soon as possible
ozzyxs 4 years ago
You're making a good choice :)
oller1985 4 years ago
Its SXV550 isn't it?
Schwantz34 4 years ago
It is a SXV 450 :)
oller1985 4 years ago
How is this done, do you yank out the ass and apply the brakes while accelerating out?
krwl 4 years ago
It is all done during braking, you downshift after you have applied brakes and the rear end breaks loose. Then you steer how much it slides with the rear brake. At a certain point you line up the wheels again and get on the throttle!
oller1985 4 years ago
Smooth.
mountjoy23 4 years ago