In academia we really should have a mechanism for revoking a Ph.D. In other professions if you screw up badly your peers can revoke your license to practice. Duesberg represents a perfect example of why the University of Frankfurt should be empowered to say "We're sorry. This guy is now nucking futs and we are taking back his degree."
Would people actually listen to morons like him if he were introduced as "former Ph.D." ?
At the very least he should be kicked out of the National Academy.
Self deception keeps Peter Duesberg going as a kook. Duesberg's advocacy of AIDS denialism has, by all accounts, effectively blackballed him from the worldwide scientific community.
Right at the start. Science has never been democratic you dipshit.
It is not a matter of voting on the truth. Science is about finding the truth.
No matter how many people say that 2+2=5 even if it is 99.9999999999% of the human population. That doesnot make it any less false. Science would still point to 2+2=4 not 5. There is no way to make that democratic.
And before anyone starts. Yes. I know it's a stupid example. But those usually get the point across the best.
@bitterbonker Congratulations on trying to find the answers rather than accepting the blatant myths we're fed by the pharma-controlled media and military-controlled medical industry. "House of Numbers" and "rethinkingAIDS" include scientific observations by very accredited authorities addressing your questions. Stop the tests, stop the chemo-killing.
@TheTruthWillAppear I would rather have someone quote Wikipedia than someone quote AIDS inc. or Gary Null, or Peter Duesberg, or half of the denialists you have in your subscription list, that is the real laugh! I see you all stick together, but then again what choice do ya's have lol.
I have a serious, open-minded question, that maybe you can answer. Why is it that if you register HIV antibodies in your blood, you’re considered “HIV+”, which is like pronouncing a death sentence in the medical world… but if you read positive for antibodies to viruses you’re vaccinated with (using the same or similar tests- Western Blot, ELISA, etc.), you’re considered “successfully immunized”? Which is it?
When a virus infects your body, it likes to use stealth. So it covers itself with camouflage in the form of envelope/coat proteins that your immune system can't recognize well. You generate antibodies against the wrong element of the virus, and those antibodies are ineffective at blocking viral entry to your cells.
When we vaccinate people, we use an inner protein that is essential for the virus... the heart, not the camouflage. Those antibodies actually work against the virus.
In the case of HIV-1, the envelope gp120 proteins are used as decoys to prevent an effective immune response. They also evolve very quickly to new variants. Antibodies against these changing, outer coat proteins can actually help the virus to find its favorite food, the T cell, without being effective at generating blocking or neutralizing antibodies.
Lots of other viruses use the same techniques, which is why we don't have vaccines for them. Dengue is a good example.
@C0nc0rdance - I've read that the ambiguous nature of these antigens or outer coat proteins can lead to a high incidence of false positives... i.e., the test registers HIV presence based on reacting with a similar epitope, being fooled in a similar way to the immune system. Furthermore, it is claimed that this problem of unreliability is shared by all antibody tests to some degree, so confirmation with two or more different types of antibody tests can not necessarily be trusted. Thoughts?
The first generation ELISA tests were pretty crappy, so they had to be confirmed by Western blot or something similar. The current generation tests are something like 99.8% accurate, as measured by direct viral detection by IFA (fluorescent microscopy). The results have to be interpreted correctly, though, in light of possible confounders. People with lupus would be weakly positive for seroconversion to essentially everything... they have weak antibodies against everything.
There are low affinity and high affinity antibodies. Someone could be weakly positive because of some cross-reactivity (I probably would due to exposure to all the lentiviruses I've worked with) or other condition. They might have an ELISA result that is very low, but near the threshold for positive, so it's not a binary yes or no answer, which is why there are no "tests for HIV", there are only "test systems" that include a healthcare professional qualified to interpret the data.
Let me just say that these are great questions. I'll do my best to answer them from my academic background, but be sure to take everything I say with a grain of salt. I'm not a clinician, and the only patients I ever worked with walked on all fours and defecated where they stood.
My graduate advisor's advisor ("Grampa") discovered the first virus in the family that HIV belongs to... he was into lentiviruses in the 1950's, and predicted the discovery of HIV in 1963.
@Lukehot215 ya those people are like cult members, it's like heavens gate for christ sake, He's Marshal Applewhite and all the rest follow his bullshit to a "T", and deny deny deny. crazy fuckers.
Just a diagnosis of positive will cause enough anxiety and stress to make one come down with all kinds of symptoms (joint aches, digestive problems, sinus congestion, colds, muscle aches, insomnia, sweats)....all anxiety/stress related.
In Africa they don't even diagnose HIV based on test results. They diagnose based on symptoms...symptoms which in 1980 were called "diseases of poverty" but today are used to diagnose AIDS. /watch?v=iTp2PrbFkSQ&feature=related
The reason why everyone who got pneumonia and couldn't get better from it was that they were taking hand full of antibiotics when they didn't need them, so when they actually needed antibiotics for something like pneumonia, ironically the only thing they were immune to was the antibiotics..super bugs were around then too!!!
Im sure, that you as author are the first one who uses AZT to cure yourself if you get a diagnose. Im looking forward to it.
Do you have cancer btw? Then you dont need AZT, you can just double the dosis cause AZT relabeled chemotherapiemedicine against cancer =)
But for god sake i hope u dont get a positiv test. For me as an european its easy to say cause we have a totally different HI-Virustest then u have - no standard worldwide =)
So test yourself in canada cause they're not so "positive".
1. AZT was used since 1987 to the 1990s only and was then used with the tritheraphy in combination. So still AZT is used...
2. There is no worldwide, equal standard test. You refer to the UK Standard test which is quiet different to the one in canada.
"You will find that the Internet is a very poor source of information on health" That doesnt speak to your youtube videos either. But do you mind to tell me if you write books or sth. or do you write here only for pharmas?
@mecher3k Who cares what he said. I said first that AZT is a relabeled Cancer therapy. I didnt say that it is only 1 of a 3 part treament. Why should i go in details about that ??? He thought to give me an advice about it but i posted to make clear that i already know that. So whats your problem? Heres not enough place to write a serious statement. Sadly enough space to troll a good scientist who ask why there is not a serious scientific discussion about the topic "HIV" and "AIDS".
@hitcan79 u dont get it lol. Just go on an other site about the aids topic. i dont go in details and btw u yourself are the one who has to inform yourself. And if u dont desire to go in the details its also fine. For me i dont trust an industry so much that i wont ask questions about it. If u do so maybe u find some disturbing informations or maybe not cause u not at least some medical knowledge or sb who helps u with that.
@DonBagalude dude it isn't about trusting this asshole or that asshole, OK? What I am fighting with people for is because I know AIDS killed people close to me, So ya of course if someone tries to tell me it's not real, I tend to get pissed off what the fuck are you talking about going into details n shit? and way my mind is made up thanks,. I've seen what this does to people
@hitcan79 my codelences. Did they get the "treament" as usual. If y, then therecant be a proof for u that HIV kills. You saw them die with the medcine. And this medicine is a hell of help. More to the point google the history of it and you'll find that it is not a helping medicine. It doesnt make your immune system stronger and it doesnt strenght your body in any way. It ust kills cells and other living or nonliving materials in your body. I mean a virus is defined as not living. Help yourself
@DonBagalude they had no "treatment" I have plenty of proof they died because of advanced HIV disease a.k.a. AIDS,. so ya thanks, and thanks for the question but I really didn't even finish reading it, I could see I was being "led" into something about medicine and therefor a reason of death, sorry not in this case.. or rather THREE cases.
Im sure, that you as author are the first one who uses AZT to cure yourself if you get a diagnose. Im looking forward to it.
Do you have cancer btw? Then you dont need AZT, you can just double the dosis cause AZT relabeled chemotherapiemedicine against cancer =)
But for god sake i hope u dont get a positiv test. For me as an european its easy to say cause we have a totally different HI-Virustest then u have - no standard worldwide =)
So test yourself in canada cause they're not so "positive".
Dr. Griffin conceded that a measles vaccine should not be given to an immunosuppressed child & that if Michelle had evidence of a persisting, replicating measles virus, it would be “an important observation” & “should definitely be followed up” by a physician. Dr. Fujinami provided significant evidence that measles virus can persist in human cells, injure tissues, & cause a potentially damaging autoimmune response. The special master ignored these concessions & supporting literature in error.
- No real world studies of vaccine schedule. Of 11 vaccines given to US children only one (MMR) has been studied for relationship to autism. Yet, US children get 6-7 different vaccines simultaneously at 2,4,6,&12 months.
- No study compares vaccinated to unvaccinated children- only children who received vaccines.
- Studies rife with conflicts- authors paid by vaccine co's & federal agencies & foreign govts charged with administering vaccines.
@1234qwergh The Pons-Fleischman effect has been replicated by hundreds of world class laboratories- several in the Navy, Los Alamos and national labs in the U.S., France, Italy, China and India, and at dozens of corporations including Mitsubishi, Toyota and Amoco. And all of the so-called studies "disproving" the autism-vaccine link are either worthless or would, if read properly, actually SHOW a link.
It's not about winning, it's about the truth. Take a closer look before assuming you know.
@1234qwergh - And the courts are crooked. For example, Judge Nigel Davis (who confirmed the decision to have UK childrens’ funding for the autism claims taken away in September 2003) is brother of Sir Crispin Davis- a main board director of the Defendants in the case GlaxoSmithKline and the CEO of the owners of The Lancet journal which published and then withdrew the Wakefield/Royal Free 1998 paper suggesting the possibility of a link between autism and the MMR vaccine. The deck is stacked.
@1234qwergh Michelle Cedillo’s medical records demonstrate that several of her treating physicians associated her illness with her MMR vaccine: (1) Dr. Daniel Crawford, her pediatrician; (2) Dr. William Masland, a neurologist; (3) Dr. Lisa Shigio, an audiologist; (4) Karlsson Roth, a developmental psychologist; (5) Dr. Sudhir Gupta, an immunologist; (6) Dr. Ira Lott, a pediatric neurologist; and (7) Dr. B.J. Freeman, a neuropsychologist. The court unjustly gave no weight to these statements.
@1234qwergh The special master relied solely upon 17 of the US Government’s experts, yet chose to ignore the many concessions of these experts that *supported* Michelle’s case. Dr. Brent conceded to the vast body of evidence regarding the effects of organic mercury on the immune system. Dr. Stephen Hanauer conceeded that Michelle had substantial symptoms of IBD. A petitioner is required to prove a preponderance of evidence and not exactly what caused the injury and by what biological mechanism.
@1234qwergh Others have replicated Wakefield's findings:
A new paper in JAMA confirms [contrary to US health officials claims] that mitochondrial dysfunction common in children like 9 year old US girl Hannah Poling. The new paper confirms these children:
"were more likely to have mitochondrial dysfunction, mtDNA overreplication, and mtDNA deletions than typically developing children.“
Mitochondrial Dysfunction in Autism JAMA. 2010;304(21):2389-2396. doi: 10.1001/jama.2010.1706
@1234qwergh "Young children who have dysfunctional cellular energy metabolism therefore might be more prone to undergo autistic regression between 18 and 30 months of age if they also have infections or immunizations at the same time."
Developmental Regression & Mitochondrial Dysfunction in a Child With Autism (Journal of Journal of Child Neurology / Volume 21, Number 2, February 2006)
The problem isn't enought evidence for Wakefield's claims, it's TOO MUCH evidence. Do some REAL research
@1234qwergh - I'm basing my opinion on the research of scientists WITH expertise, & the testimony of doctors who actually WORKED WITH these children. All the bogus research purporting to disprove this comes from people with clear ties to vaccine manufacturers, yet they are NEVER called into question for conflicts of interest, whereas people who call for more careful research of vaccines, or compensation for victims, are ALWAYS questioned, regardless of the quality of their work. Give me a break.
@1234qwergh - David A. Geier & Mark R. Geier, "A meta-analysis epidemiological assessment of neurodevelopmental disorders following vaccines administered from 1994 through 2000 in the United States." Neuro Endocrinol Lett. 2006 Aug.; 27(4) 401–13.
@1234qwergh I take him as serious as a heart attack, he's the only person making video's on here telling the truth about these fucking morons. Keep up the good work, C0nc0rdance
Finally a video on this man that shows the truth and totally shoots down his stupid AIDS ideas, people who agree with him are so god damn mouthy and are stuck in the same damn gear all the time, it's a crime that this moron was interviewed for a movie and documentary on AIDS and that he is taken seriously by so many people, there needs to be more video's on these idiots.
@unimog2012 Thanks. Yet, there are so many truths that are being suppressed on so many issues, that getting these gigantic organizations to be wounded fatally so they'll go away, is like trying to kill a million headed hydra; the moment one issue implodes on them, there are still more ways they are doing us in. I have come to view existance on earth as some sort of spiritual test of how well one can keep their sanity in the face of so much that is insane and "believed" by "true believers."
these are the games that the AIDS establishment plays with peoples heads.high t-cell count today,low t-cell count tomorrow.healthy today,sick tomorrow.trying to control something within your body that you cant always control would run anyone crazy.and this is what people who test HIV positive has to deal with daily and its a real shame.people who has consistently low tcell counts never feels or gets sick.these are the things that the AIDS establishment cant explain to save their lives
@unimog2012 lThanks for your support. I cannot believe the things people are willing to believe that so-called peer reviewed doctors have to say. It is obvious that the health of Americans is not getting better these days; only worse. I hate it when people throw "peer review" out as an argument not to listen to any doctor that is getting real results and cures. The establishment is committed to illness so it can have something to "cure" while it commits genocide on us.
Dr. Duesberg DID produce extensive research data that supports every contention he makes. Think! What does Duesgerg have to gain by going against the main stream medical establishment which is making billions with their own treatments of AIDS. Gallo has been prosecuted for the damage he has done to the whole issue of AIDS and making up the HIV scare. Think, people!
perhaps the original video poster is a nice person, rather young and naiive and as i said tunnel-visioned, in desperation if a family member is an aids doctor, inadvertently sent someone to azt torture and death... and this is a project of a loved one desperately trying to perpetuate that azt was needed and it is a virus, rather a completely natural bacteria strain .... when they were in desperation themselves to PINPOINT4 human limited brains a category a name for temp. dis--ease
thus, scientists need to be totally aware FOREVER 24-7 that they are NOT JUST THE MIND, THE BRAIN THEY MUSSSSST ALWAYSSS REMEMBER THE SOULLLLL AND THE NATURAL ORGANIC ANIMAL BODY THAT WE ARE. and that most are neglecting that now... no physical work, conveniences, laziness, lots of fun but no sleep, and the soul... people are making a lot of sleazy choices now lets face it not just in sci. world but even in personal lives, im not a relig. freak but"" virtue"" is uncommon lately
3 . A spiritual um demi-saint? guru? lol very enlightened person can get like buddha , a real mess on earth physically , neglect the body survival here , and mentally... no common senssseee, everythign for the spirit and seeking higher truth but making their lives and everyoen aroudn them a scary mess u see that imbalance-- theyre resting on the laurels of their great soul and spiritual but not ACCEPTING of facing truth-- they are here to balance and improve BODY AND MIND as well
1. a brainiac can try every nasty chem, device, u name it to treat a neglected body, and bipass a bankrupt soul w/ said vile decisions. (a con.science? hellooo)
2. a hot bod lol can use taht animal self, neglect the brain, be morally corrupt and live a life of crime and continue to do anything they can to deny the truth, enhance their rotten beliefs of imbalance and destruction... to others and themselves rather than DO THE WORK! cont... listen im busy i have to go lol almost done...
K, Lets centrifuge shall we? lol filter.. we are here to perfect? or improve our mind, bodies , and soul (spiritual goodness, enlightenment etc). Peeeeps are doing anything they cannn to be lazy arsses and use their STRONG position only, (rest on one's laurels if u will), and keep negletcting the weaker two, or one. for hypothesis sakes we only have space to do 1 vs 2 depts. (of mind body soul) cont...
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Maybe you'll grow a mind of your own when you stop livign under daddys gonads or is it mommy's mamms u are attached to you little nazi dink. It is so sad and debilitating to see how our rote left-brain zealot-driven educ system can create such spirit-less unnatural godless (not religion) , monstersssss . U really believe all your bull-crud to justify a purchased mate, a life of greed, hoarding,decadence, & your future life of paying escorts as u turn into a hideous pig. KARMA; deal.
PETER ADMITTED HE WAS WRONG w/ all the courage a human being could muster, w/ such heart and soul, which u so sadly lack. How DARE you leave out the MAIN TRUTH & Original occurences. Peter did NOT initially say - lifestyle dis- -ease; he was the one who did your usual soulless sci. needling into a category=VIRUS (forced sci). He has since BEGGED a retraction to save lives and suffering at the cost of his reputation, IMMENSE remorse , as well as sacrificing acalades & ego-rewards.
u are a blithering 2-faced fool u had the answer upfront w. admitting when wrong, YOU ARE WRONG and cant face the murders by azt and frightening someone to death , to shut down, etc with a lethal diagnosis. u are a godless left-brain greedy egomaniac tunnel-visioned albeit well-read pea-brain who rather play hero, than actually save and prevent this torture and horror. U my non-dear are the epitome of the adage, "u can't shine shiyt" like the evil Mengela amputator Liz Hasselbeck.
Propaganda. Duesberg has an 800 page book defending and proving his position. You throw out an 8 minute clip and think it has any value? Go play your games with high school kids.
I don't care if he wrote an 8000 page book. When a scientist fails to submit their work to peer-review of other scientists, your alarm bells should be ringing. The fact that he is profiting from the sale of this book should also make you skeptical. The fact that no other virologists have been swayed by his tireless advocacy should have you really asking questions.
I would be much more convinced by actual experiments, but Duesberg has never had HIV in his lab.
@C0nc0rdance Your Bible, "Peer Review" has becomed degraded into an exercise in mediocrity and sheople following sheople to even their own destruction due to cowardice. Peer review today, couldn't be less representative of medical truth.
@C0nc0rdance Your argument holds no water. There are always more cowards than there are heros. De. Duesberg is risking all by his stand on the HIV/AIDS issue. One must always judge an advocacy by which side has most to gain by their own perspective. There is no such thing as a Human Imunodeficiency Virus that causes AIDS. That's why it cannot be isolated. When anyone shows antibodies against an organism, it means the organism has been defeated. Microbiology 101.
The HIV virus has been isolated, sequenced, micrographed, taken apart and put back together. It's routinely isolated every day in labs around the world by grad students.
If someone has Mycobacterium tuberculosis-reactive antibodies, are they now cured of TB? What about Hepatitis B? Herpes? Malaria? Filarial parasites?
Dr. Duesberg is welcome to be a hero by supporting his arguments with empirical data. He has not. EVIDENCE is what makes a case in science, not stubbornness.
@C0nc0rdance The HIV Virus is acctually HTLVIII, Robert Gallo took this from Luc Montagnier so in fact the HIV never actually existed. So how do they isolate something which does not exist?
@C0nc0rdance - Duesberg doesn't disagree that the particle/virus exists, he has just pointed to the evidence that this particle is not the major cause of what we call "AIDS". His work won't be recieved by the academic community for peer review. It's a matter of an unscientific bias in the medical community, driven by profit, and possibly by genocide. The medical community has been owned by the Rockefellers for a century. That's why you never hear that there are non-drug based cures for HIV, etc.
2. Duesberg published several reviews, the first in 1989, and the latest in 2009, for a total of 9 review papers and a dozen letters. However, the 2009 paper was retracted by the editors for "poor quality" of evidence. His predictions have been falsified by actual experiments and two decades of actual research.
3. The Rockefellers are owned by the Alien Greys and the Illuminati, and have been since 9,000 B.C. Wake up sheeple!
@C0nc0rdance - Funny how anytime someone posts research results that could disturb vested economic interests, they are always discredited. Look at Dr. Wakefield's Lancet study on the MMR-autism connection. He was blacklisted, and a slew of studies that really WERE flawed came out to "disprove" his research. I've seen pretty sloppy standards pass lustre in medical journals. For example, in clinical trials for cancer drugs, people who DIED during the study were REMOVED from the results! WTF?!
Actually, I'm working on a video about Wakefield's retracted paper. I've got my hands on the raw data he used, and it's a smoking gun that he falsified the data in that paper.
He was "struck off" for performing painful spinal taps on young children without a good reason and without the required supervision.
He was paid by trial lawyers to obtain a result they could sue over, and he filed a patent for a single valent measles vaccine. You sure you want to defend him?
@C0nc0rdance More double standards. Nobody ever questions the invasiveness of pumping small children with ethylmercury, a proven neurotoxin, and other dangerous compounds. Are you suggesting there aren't conflicts of interests in the medical field? Wakefield isn't even anti-vaccine, he just recommended against the triple dose. Parents are told that the single measles jab is dangerous in this country, yet it is used in countries like Africa. This is pure pathological science.
Would a conflict of interest include the payments by trial lawyers to Wakefield for "consultation" and the patent he owns on a monovalent measles vaccine? What about his actions, conducting research on autistic children without any ethical review that is legally required?
It was illegal, immoral, fraudulent, harmed children for no reason, and was done for selfish self-interest and under the table payments. He lost his license for putting needles in childrens' spines needlessly.
@C0nc0rdance - Are you aware that the federal government takes children away from their parents who refuse to being submitted to highly toxic AZT "treatment" (AZT is itself immunosuppressive, it was shelved for decades)? Are you aware that Incarnation Children's Center in NYC was testing new drugs on "HIV+" minority orphans? Andy Wakefield was conducting those tests with the parent's wishes. The law has run amok. People who use "alternative" treatments SUCCESSFULLY have their licenses revoked
@C0nc0rdance - Marcia Angell (editor of NEJM for 20 years) points out that in 2002, the top 10 fortune 500 (pharma) companies made higher profits than ALL OTHER 490 COMBINED. Even assuming their drugs are safe and effective(which is highly suspect), where is the justice? And it's not b/c of research costs- taxpayers pay most of the costs of research, drug co's spend more on advertising. Medical journals feature multi-million dollar advertisements for drugs, you have no problem with that?
I'd suggest you watch my video "Big Pharma". The largest Pharma in the world is ranked 47 on the Fortune 500, just behind Sears and UPS. They are profitable on a percentage basis, but have relatively small revenues compared to Wal-Mart or Exxon. For example, Pfizer made 8 billion, Exxon made 40 billion in 2010.
The majority of shares are owned by 401Ks, pensions and mutual fund managers... that means the average working guy is the one profiting from pharma.
All of this avoids my direct question about your defense of a man who was paid money to conduct immoral research that punctured the spines of autistic children needlessly, then misrepresented the findings to his own profit. As I say, I am in possession of Wakefield's original data, and it clearly demonstrates deliberate scientific fraud.
If you would like to replace capitalism in medicine, I suggest you write up a proposal for a better system.
@C0nc0rdance - Wakefield had good reason to believe that a genetic mitochondrial disorder is a contraindication against the MMR vaccine, & unfortunately, a spinal tap is the only way to measure that. Inflicting momentary harm could potentially save many children from a lifetime of damage from regressive autism. This possibility still exists. The fact that the pharma community reacted with a smear campaign, instead of open debate & honest research, speaks darkly of the state of medical "science".
When scientists conduct human research, they submit a detailed proposal to an IRB, institutional review board. The board is composed of physicians, scientists and experts in medical ethics. They get to determine whether a research protocol does more harm than good, not the researcher.
Dr. Wakefield violated the IRB procedure. He bypassed the normal patient protections and that makes his study unethical, one of the key reasons it was retracted by the journal.
@C0nc0rdance If you study the paper "Response to Dr. Ari Brown & the Immunization Action Coalition", not only will you find several other papers that support Dr. Wakefield's research, you will find papers that support the observation that autism & developmental/behavioral disorders ARE on the rise, suggesting an environmental cause.
Not only that, the papers purporting to disprove Wakefield's hypothesis have serious problems with their methodology, evidencing careless-or fraudulent-research.
I've got Dr. Wakefield's raw real-time PCR data here on my desk. It was collected in an audit of his research by an acquaintance of mine, Stephen Bustin. It's quite plain that someone altered the "threshold" fluorescence for a positive result between the samples and controls so that they would score positive for measles RNA.
It was a clear case of scientific fraud by someone in his lab, and it explains why no-one has been able to replicate this finding. He's a fraudster.
@C0nc0rdance But his study did pass IRB, & that's why it was originally printed. It's unclear why it was retracted, but it probably has to do with the economic interests of vaccine manufacturers. His results HAVE been replicated- see refs. 124-131 of the paper I mentioned earlier, for example. And the studies that have not found a link have been non-clinical... the Cochrane review has shown them to be of poor quality. For example, Fombonne mixed data from 2 cities to obtain "no correlation"!
You may be thinking of peer review. IRB is an ethics panel that approves human experiments, and Simon Murch, one of the authors of the study, failed to get IRB approval for research on human subjects. Patients were enrolled at Wakefield's son's birthday party, blood was taken from outside the study protocol, all of these are major violations of scientific and medical ethics.
We're not talking about the outcome of his study, merely the illegal and immoral way he conducted it.
@C0nc0rdance The data you are referring to were cherry-picked from O'Leary Labs' records & were not even relevant to Wakefield's case for Michelle Cedillo's substantial inflammation levels (SILs). It was pulled out at the last minute during the trial, without giving the claimants opportunity to review it. The key reports filed by Dr. O’Leary himself, & by his molecular biologist, Dr. Shields, were NOT used. Dr. Finbar Cotter (for one) HAS independently replicated the findings you call "fraud".
You are in over your head on this. I'm talking about measles RNA detection on Wakefield's ABI7000 system, not cytokine titers like the SIL sample. In the raw dRn plots, the evidence of tampering is obvious to someone who is an expert in real-time PCR. The thresholds were shifted between negative control and sample. Even though both are flat lines with creeping drift, the samples were force-called positive by manipulating threshold.
@C0nc0rdance “Could Brian Deer please let the BMJ know the means by which UK legislation allows freelance (or any other) journalists, to view original research files, & compare them with Royal Free (or any other hospital or private practice) medical files of children with full identities available, all test results available, without parental consent; the studies' authors consent; privacy restraints or hospital ethics committee approval?” -Hilary Butler
Tell you what. I'll make a video about in a few weeks, including presentation of the inappropriately manipulated analysis within the data file.
What he, or someone in his lab, did, is equivalent to Photoshopping someone out of a picture to prove an alibi. It's an obvious manipulation of actual results to make them appear to support a finding they do not.
@C0nc0rdance I admit that I don't have access to the data you are referring to, nor do I have expertise in this area. But I do believe that several independent experts have corroborated Wakefield's results... though I am not sure what methodology or equipment they used. There appear to be several lines of evidence in support of a *possibility* for a link between MMR & regressive autism. Also, if what I said before is true, it brings into question the credibility & integrity of Stephen Bustin.
@C0nc0rdance - 1st of all, where does this so-called data you have even come from? Is it from Brian Deer, the "journalist" who seems to be paid just to try to discredit Wakefield? Deer claimed Dr Wakefield “altered numerous facts about the patients’ medical histories", yet it no one at the Royal Free Hospital London had them nor is it normal practice for them to have had them. I have no reason to believe you have Wakefield's data, because of the utter dishonesty of people like Deer & Bustin.
@C0nc0rdance Look at the study "Prenatal & Infant Exposure to Thimerosal From Vaccines & Immunoglobulins & Risk of Autism." It claims that there is no vaccine-autism link. Yet it says, "On average, case-children & control children had similar cumulative ethyl-mercury exposures at the end of each exposure period.” In other words, the study had no value whatsoever. It's like saying that smoking is not linked to lung cancer b/c not everyone who smokes gets cancer. THESE studies are fraudulent!!!
Patients who die before the completion of a clinical trial are usually removed because they can't complete the protocol. Imagine if you are evaluating the effect of taking Drug A for 90 days, and someone in the treatment group dies on Day 2. They only took the drug for a day, so you can hardly evaluate the effects of the treatment.
At the end of the study, the "% of group completing protocol" is looked at as an indicator of patient's ability to tolerate treatment.
@C0nc0rdance More importantly, cancer chemotherapy causes damage to rapidly-dividing cells. In most cases it will cause the tumors to shrink, but this is a far cry from a cure. These trials are too short. Back to HIV, Kerry Mullis is another world-class scientist who was turned into a pariah for honestly reporting results. He invented the damn PCR test they use, but later indicated that it was unreliable. Likelihood of being diagnosed + varies from country to country. Politics, not science.
Karry ("a", not "e") Mullis also has championed the scientific truth of astrology, claims to have been abducted multiple times by aliens he describes as "glowing raccoons" . He's also anti-global warming and supports legalizing full-auto assault weapons for "hunting". He's a nut, and irrelevant in science.
Karry has also never worked with HIV. His opinions are just that; opinions.
@C0nc0rdance - “Where is the research that says HIV is the cause of AIDS? There are 10,000 people in the world now who specialize in HIV. None has any interest in the possibility HIV doesn’t cause AIDS because if it doesn’t, their expertise is useless.”
Dr. Kary Mullis, PhD, Biochemist, Winner, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for inventing PCR basis for the HIV viral load tests Have you actually heard HIM say those things, or are you just basing that on other people's slander?
Do you perhaps think that malaria patients who develop antibodies no longer have malaria? What about hepatitis patients? Can we detect antibodies against hepatitis virus before the patient is all better?
You may also like to visit the Los Alamos National Labs database of HIV sequences. A simple Google search will get you there.
@C0nc0rdance We are no here discussing malaria. Stop changing the subject. Do not ever let it be said of you that you refused to consider a different perspective on any issue. The evidence is mounting as we sit here, that AZT and any other drug that damages the immune system is the thing that causes Acquired Immuno -Deficient Syndrome. The problem is in the name! Think! Study further. Quit defending a stance that is falling by the second.
@C0nc0rdance Funny you should mention the peer review process; Robert Gallo, the one who invented Human Immunological Virus himself managed to bypass the peer review process when he launched the fraud that HIV is allegedly the virus that causes AIDS. It isn't and it has been proven by Dr. Duesberg. The man has saved lives. Robert Gallo has been convicted of scientific misbehavior. Dr. Duesberg has submitted his findings to peer review; it was not accepted. too much $ in illness.
@bammbamm12 I'm reading the book at this very moment. I checked it out of the Public Library to make sure I wanted to spend the money buying it. I will own the book tomorrow! It's Good information not written in high flying syntax that only three people on the planet can understand; which is how govt. likes to write its code books. Why? So people can be baffled with bull shit. Dr. Duesbert is a microbiolist whose govt. grant was cut off for submitting his report on the truth about HIV/AIDS.
@bammbamm12 Sadly, there are too many on the earth who would rather be told what to believe than to do their own research and exercise their own reason as to who tends to benefit most from the info they are receiving.
@olga2415 - This is not an issue that we should approach with passion or prejudice, and I see his opposition having too much of that. They accuse him of being responsible for the deaths of thousands. Why would someone say that? No one even listens to him. You can usually tell by the way people argue whether or not they are sincerely searching for the truth. Duesberg is methodical and logical - that's why I believe him. Since he has been ostracized, I don't believe his adversaries.
@bammbamm12 I too, use the same logic to evaluate the arguments against Dr. Duesberg. Why would a Dr. go against mainstream medicine as to invite such criticism and lose the grant money from the establishment? People who think in the hysterical mode never ask themselves the important questions. It is obvious that this Dr. and those like him, are truly the brave ones who are genuinely trying to save lives. They are the real Dr.s, who take their oaths seriously.
How can you criticize Duesberg for not submitting to peer review? and actually he has several pieces that are peer reviewed. And Dr. Robert Gallo released his findings on HIV before submitting it to peer review, we now know that everything he published was fraudulent.
@spectre1234567 - People believe what they want to believe. Say something they don't like, they'll ask for evidence. Give them evidence and they'll impugn it. If it holds up, they'll impugn the source of the evidence. People like the AIDS story - it makes them feel good, and buys a lot of new cars for a lot of phonies.
A note of personal experience, which may help. I am HIV+. I see my HIV+ friends who are not on meds either because they don't need to or don't want to; they look vibrant and healthy. I see the people in my doctor's waiting room, who (must be) all on meds. They all look sickly, almost all with some type of dysmorphia. In the past 20 years that I have been in active in the gay community, I have never heard of someone getting AIDS who has NOT been on meds. I think you have oversimplified this issue
I appreciate your observations. I'm always a little leery of anecdotes like this, though. People make pretty unreliable statistical records in their heads. They recall the hits and discard the misses.
If I pulled a scientific paper that systematically studied the effects of ARV on quality and length of life, would that persuade you to question your position, given your observations? I don't claim to be an expert on the topic, which is why I'd have to go to the literature.
@C0nc0rdance I just don't know how that could be answered with a paper. Sure, statistically people may be living and not dying while on meds. And I don't know how would we measure "quality of life." But how will we ever know what would have happened if they didn't? I agree everyone's biases will show up when making a judgement- that goes for you, Peter Duesberg, and myself.
@C0nc0rdance I appreciate everyone trying to get to the bottom of this through nuts and bolts scientific research. But I think if you are this passionate about your subject, you should put down your papers and interview and investigate real people with HIV. I was ready to take the meds if I had to, but I started to change my mind due to a long list of personal interactions and research that is too lengthy to cover here. I'm not trying to be dogmatic, but find the best answer for my health.
@C0nc0rdance I haven't been able to read all these responses, but the biggest hole in your answers I can find is that you point to statistics which claim that a majority of HIV+ people became infected with AIDS over time. But were they on ARV drugs at the time? How do we know it wasn't the drugs?
@stupidgenius61- Haha I love how scientific records, which can easily be faked, are taken to mean more than people's own perceptions. Take Lyme disease; modern medical science can't quantify it, so people who show up with this disease are accused of being "hypochondriacs". It's fucking ridiculous, if you'll pardon my language; it really makes me angry. Your perception, and that of other HIV+ people (REAL people!) is right. Forget the phony statistics and fudged animal tests...
If you think your analogy of James Earl Jones is a sound one, you'll make an excellent researcher for one corporation or another. I've heard smug arrogant voices before but yours is absolutely nauseating. I don't think anyone will ever come between you and the love you have for yourself. Yeuk. No really.......YEUK!
@shortist2003.and so did kimberly bergalis the young woman in south florida who was a virgin and "supposedly" caught the virus from her dentists.but that was never proven because no one could figure out how he passed "HIV" to her.because she was a virgin and her dentist just so happened to have been diagnosed as HIV "positive" prior to her diagnosis,it was "thought" that she must have gotten it from him somehow.nevertheless,she was poisioned to death at miami university with azt experimentations
@SirHulk1977 Arthur Ashe and Kimberley Bergalis both had AIDS before their HIV infection was discovered and they started treatment. Ashe had cerebral toxoplasmosis and Bergalis had PCP. Median survival with a diagnosis of AIDS before AZT treatment was 11 months. Ashe survived for 4 years and Bergalis for two. How can you say AZT caused their deaths?
@eSnout ..kimberly bergalis was diagnosed as HIV positive prior to receiving an AIDS diagnosis.she didnt have an illness bad enough to call AIDS without first taking an HIV test and if that was positive,then she gets an AIDS diagnosis.now,one can argue that the small bout of pneumonia that she had along with the yeast infection she acquired while taking antibiotics (very common for women) when she had dental work done might have been called AIDS prematurely and after she tested positive for HIV.
@SirHulk1977 No, Kimberley Bergalis' "small bout of pneumonia" was PCP. This was her AIDS-defining diagnosis. Her T cell count was 41. This was before she started AZT.
@eSnout...well,the fungus that causes PCP is a common fungus found in the environment and does not cause illness in most people.and any type of immune suppression by any means can make ones immune system susceptible to the fungus,thus causing them to possibly acquiring PCP.so getting PCP is a lot easier than most people think and thousands of HIV free cases of PCP are reported every year.and why dont we hear about those cases?.its simple,it completely underminds the HIV=AIDS hypothesis.thats why
@eSnout...and finally,lets talk about t-cell counts..if i told you that something as simple as sleep deprivation can cause the healthiest persons t-cell count to drop off below 100 at any given time,would that make you question the whole t-cell thing?..fact is,t-cells never remain at a constant level.high today and low tomorrow is how most healthy peoples t-cell counts go.many healthy persons t-cell count drops below the magic number of 200 all the time.does this mean they are an AIDS patient?
@eSnout..and also,being that she was in no way associated with any risk group that harbors most of the HIV/AIDS cases,and being that she was a very young white female,by the standards of the HIV test,it would have been virtually impossible for her to have received an AIDS diagnosis PRIOR to having an HIV test administered first.and furthermore,things are so cloudy with the Kimberly Bergalis case that depending on who you talk to and what you read,you get many different and conflicting stories
@eSnout..But what is very well known and documented about Kimberly Bergalis is that fact that she took very high dosages of AZT.and for PR purposes,the woman who was not in any risk group for being infected with HIV/AIDS,had no real illness prior to taking an HIV test and receiving a positive diagnosis and who took tremendous amounts of the DNA chain terminating/cell poisioning drug known as AZT, was wheeled in front of members of congress and used as the poster child for the AIDS establishment
@eSnout ..and as for Arthur Ashe,he actually underwent several heart bypass surgeries prior to being diagnosed as HIV positive in 1988 and died in 1993,so thats 5 years not 4..and prior to his diagnosis in 1988,he never had AIDS or symptoms,he had heart problems.doctors blame tainted blood transfusions during the multiple heart surgeries as the way he became positive for HIV,but that was never proven either the same way that it was never proven that Kimberly Bergalis was infected by her dentist.
@SirHulk1977 No, Arthur Ashe was hospitalised with the AIDS defining illness cerebral toxoplasmosis in 1988. It was only then that he was tested for HIV, to try to determine the cause of the immunosuppression that caused this otherwise rare brain infection. Google: "Arthur Ashe, Tennis Star, is Dead at 49".
@eSnout..absolutely,he was hospitalized in 1988 with a serious illness..but keep in mind that he had underwent at least 2 major heart operations years earlier and was on some very serious medications ever since.and no one knows all of the life threatning side effects of prescription drugs..but because of the so called "AIDS defining" disease he had going into the hospital,it was only after he tested positive for HIV that he recieved an AIDS diagnosis.he didnt get an AIDS diagnosis prior to that.
@eSnout...he didnt go into the hospital then branded as an AIDS patient because of an illness..if that were the case,most people in the world would be considered an AIDS patient due to the fact that nearly all of the "AIDS defining" diseases are very old diseases that occur in healthy HIV negative people everyday.thats why the HIV test is the first step in determining if a person has AIDS.that along with a low t-cell count and or an aids defining illness is what gives a person an AIDS diagnosis.
@eSnout...there are rare examples of a person receiving an AIDS diagnosis without first being tested for HIV.but this atrocity usually happens in gay men who had hallmark AIDS diseases like KS.and i have heard of it happening to women in recent years more than a few times.
Why are some people aids- free 20 years after their initial diagnosis? And also are we to believe that so many people in our society are genetically predisposed so as to contract this so called disease?
"aids- free 20 years after their initial diagnosis"
They are called long term non-progressors or elite controllers. We see the same phenomenon in many other diseases as well, including the viruses closely related to HIV (like FIV in cats, which causes Feline AIDS). The common element is genetics. They have certain genetic markers that makes them more resistant to viral replication or entry. I can explain further or refer you to the research papers.
@C0nc0rdance Dude, I know a guy who is HIV+ and his T-cell count is consistently below 100 for 3 years now. Viral load is through the roof. Does not take ARV's, refused from the start. Never develped any OI. Healthy as a bull. 220 pounds, 50 pounds of pure muscules. Never gets sick. Not a homosexual, recovering drug addict, diognosed with HepB as well, not a hemophiliac. Please explain how is it that he does not progress to AIDS?
Are you familiar with long-term non-progressors and elite controllers? There are some unusual cases where patients are able to maintain low viral loads for long periods of time. The only exceptional situation with your friend is a high viral load. I couldn't explain it without more info on his case.
AIDS is an immunopathology, HIV is a viral pathogen. A lot of groups downplay the difference, but the HIV is one very large element in a puzzle of immune failure.
Gallo is a fraudulent runt compared to a true scientist like Duesberg. If it weren't for all the scientific conmen supported by the money grubbing pharma and bobble head media such as CNN millions of lives could have been saved from the non disease of AIDS.
There are 221,125 papers on HIV indexed in Medline. Which is more likely: That every HIV researcher in the world for the last 20 years is mistaken, or that anonymous Internet conspiracy websites are spreading misinformation?
The majority of research is done by students and post-docs who are paid <20,000 USD per year. Then there are people like me who work on the other lentiviruses that cause AIDS-like diseases in primates, horses, goats, cats, sheep and cows.
@C0nc0rdance well the fact that so many are involved in Aids research and 30 years later we still dont have an isolated virus would mean that the probability of there being a virus is almost nil. This appears to be somewhat similar to the cancer research issue. I believe that there is quite probably a physical factor in the spread of what is called AIDS. But I also think that researchers are going down the wrong road. I believe the cure for cancer and AIDS is both lifestyle and emotions.
We can isolate virus quite well, thank you, and have been able to for over 20 years. There are 19,066 papers on "HIV isolation" and a scientist can buy HIV isolation kits from multiple vendors. We have electron micrographs and fluorescent microscope images of viruses entering, replicating, and budding from infected cells.
There has never been a cure for any viral disease other than vaccination. Witness Hep C, B, HPV, influenza, etc. An HIV vaccine is nearing.
@C0nc0rdance "There has never been a cure for any viral disease other than vaccination. Witness Hep C, B, HPV, influenza, etc. An HIV vaccine is nearing."
Certainly there is a cure. It is called the human immune system. As far as isolation of HIV there is nothing conclusive. So you can isolate it from the blood of infected people?
@C0nc0rdance Actually there is a well-established cure for chronic hepatitis C infection, although it is only effective in 50-75% of patients, depending on HCV genotype. It's a combination of pegylated interferon and the nucleoside analog ribavirin. Patients with chronic HCV should discuss this with their gastroenterologist.
Glad to see you again, Snout. IFN+ribavirin for HepC GVS2 and 3 could be called a cure, I suppose. The SVR rates are pretty low (10 - 30%).
I hereby amend my statement: "With a few rare exceptions, there are no 'cures' for viral diseases other than vaccination. There are, however, some very successful therapies".
I hope you will learn over time to question the sources of information. If you read something on the Internet or you hear it on the news does not make it true. Apply a little of your skepticism to sources that are not based on factual evidence. Reserve judgement until you have thoroughly explored the credibility of the information.
What a pompous bore you are. Did you come from the Reagan cabinet? Your attempt at giving this "disease" based on ignorance credence is extremely lame. But you go right ahead and keep on spreading the word. And I'll keep on spreading mine. The whole thing is bullshit.
@eSnout ...what do think of the documents that Horowitz found which are available even here. There are other documents online about the map/chart of HIV and how it was created. Also, have you heard of Dr. Bill Deagle? Just curious ;-)
This video is yet another piece of disinformation and distraction from the truth. Everyone should look up Dr. Leonard Horowitz's finding all the documentation that HIV was created as a biological weapon, headed by Dr.Gallo, funded by dept. of defense and sponsored by Clinton. The documents of the virus's gene map and the patented cure is also online if you look for it.This is genocide, profiteering & depopulation by design! Much of what Dr.Duesberg is claiming is true.Also lookup Dr.Bill Deagle.
@putski4 Actually, Duesberg is one of the scientists that Horowitz accuses of developing HIV in a fiendish genocidal government controlled conspiracy. Look up his "INDICTMENT OF SPECIAL VIRUS CANCER PROGRAM VIROLOGIST DR. PETER DUESBERG". Duesberg is a nutter in his own right, but Horowitz is madder than a bucketful of rattlesnakes.
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In academia we really should have a mechanism for revoking a Ph.D. In other professions if you screw up badly your peers can revoke your license to practice. Duesberg represents a perfect example of why the University of Frankfurt should be empowered to say "We're sorry. This guy is now nucking futs and we are taking back his degree."
Would people actually listen to morons like him if he were introduced as "former Ph.D." ?
At the very least he should be kicked out of the National Academy.
mafarmerga 3 days ago
So, if the guy thinks HIV doesn't cause AIDS, he should be fine with being injected with a solution containing the virus.... right?
stardust005 6 days ago
Duesberg sounds eerily similar to "douchebag"
r0galik 1 week ago
HOW DOES SOMEONE LIKE THIS GET TO BE A PROFESSOR AT UC BERKELEY?@??@?@?@
MastaGwee 1 week ago
Self deception keeps Peter Duesberg going as a kook. Duesberg's advocacy of AIDS denialism has, by all accounts, effectively blackballed him from the worldwide scientific community.
bigboy45454545 1 week ago
Right at the start. Science has never been democratic you dipshit.
It is not a matter of voting on the truth. Science is about finding the truth.
No matter how many people say that 2+2=5 even if it is 99.9999999999% of the human population. That doesnot make it any less false. Science would still point to 2+2=4 not 5. There is no way to make that democratic.
And before anyone starts. Yes. I know it's a stupid example. But those usually get the point across the best.
thedutchman01 1 week ago
@bitterbonker Congratulations on trying to find the answers rather than accepting the blatant myths we're fed by the pharma-controlled media and military-controlled medical industry. "House of Numbers" and "rethinkingAIDS" include scientific observations by very accredited authorities addressing your questions. Stop the tests, stop the chemo-killing.
poetxyz 1 month ago
HAHAHAHAHA QUOTING FROM WIKIPEDIA!!!!!!! YOU CLOWN!
TheTruthWillAppear 1 month ago
@TheTruthWillAppear I would rather have someone quote Wikipedia than someone quote AIDS inc. or Gary Null, or Peter Duesberg, or half of the denialists you have in your subscription list, that is the real laugh! I see you all stick together, but then again what choice do ya's have lol.
hitcan79 1 month ago
LINDSEY NAGEL
TheTruthWillAppear 1 month ago
I have a serious, open-minded question, that maybe you can answer. Why is it that if you register HIV antibodies in your blood, you’re considered “HIV+”, which is like pronouncing a death sentence in the medical world… but if you read positive for antibodies to viruses you’re vaccinated with (using the same or similar tests- Western Blot, ELISA, etc.), you’re considered “successfully immunized”? Which is it?
bitterbonker 2 months ago
@bitterbonker
When a virus infects your body, it likes to use stealth. So it covers itself with camouflage in the form of envelope/coat proteins that your immune system can't recognize well. You generate antibodies against the wrong element of the virus, and those antibodies are ineffective at blocking viral entry to your cells.
When we vaccinate people, we use an inner protein that is essential for the virus... the heart, not the camouflage. Those antibodies actually work against the virus.
C0nc0rdance 2 months ago
In the case of HIV-1, the envelope gp120 proteins are used as decoys to prevent an effective immune response. They also evolve very quickly to new variants. Antibodies against these changing, outer coat proteins can actually help the virus to find its favorite food, the T cell, without being effective at generating blocking or neutralizing antibodies.
Lots of other viruses use the same techniques, which is why we don't have vaccines for them. Dengue is a good example.
C0nc0rdance 2 months ago
@C0nc0rdance - I've read that the ambiguous nature of these antigens or outer coat proteins can lead to a high incidence of false positives... i.e., the test registers HIV presence based on reacting with a similar epitope, being fooled in a similar way to the immune system. Furthermore, it is claimed that this problem of unreliability is shared by all antibody tests to some degree, so confirmation with two or more different types of antibody tests can not necessarily be trusted. Thoughts?
bitterbonker 2 months ago
@bitterbonker
The first generation ELISA tests were pretty crappy, so they had to be confirmed by Western blot or something similar. The current generation tests are something like 99.8% accurate, as measured by direct viral detection by IFA (fluorescent microscopy). The results have to be interpreted correctly, though, in light of possible confounders. People with lupus would be weakly positive for seroconversion to essentially everything... they have weak antibodies against everything.
C0nc0rdance 2 months ago
There are low affinity and high affinity antibodies. Someone could be weakly positive because of some cross-reactivity (I probably would due to exposure to all the lentiviruses I've worked with) or other condition. They might have an ELISA result that is very low, but near the threshold for positive, so it's not a binary yes or no answer, which is why there are no "tests for HIV", there are only "test systems" that include a healthcare professional qualified to interpret the data.
C0nc0rdance 2 months ago
@bitterbonker
Let me just say that these are great questions. I'll do my best to answer them from my academic background, but be sure to take everything I say with a grain of salt. I'm not a clinician, and the only patients I ever worked with walked on all fours and defecated where they stood.
My graduate advisor's advisor ("Grampa") discovered the first virus in the family that HIV belongs to... he was into lentiviruses in the 1950's, and predicted the discovery of HIV in 1963.
C0nc0rdance 2 months ago
The Pfizer/Merck Frost shills have launched their counterattack...its big money at stake after all... as if they care about Africans...LOL
billjoe39 4 months ago
@Lukehot215 ya those people are like cult members, it's like heavens gate for christ sake, He's Marshal Applewhite and all the rest follow his bullshit to a "T", and deny deny deny. crazy fuckers.
hitcan79 4 months ago
Just a diagnosis of positive will cause enough anxiety and stress to make one come down with all kinds of symptoms (joint aches, digestive problems, sinus congestion, colds, muscle aches, insomnia, sweats)....all anxiety/stress related.
PaulRevere731 5 months ago
In Africa they don't even diagnose HIV based on test results. They diagnose based on symptoms...symptoms which in 1980 were called "diseases of poverty" but today are used to diagnose AIDS. /watch?v=iTp2PrbFkSQ&feature=related
TheMiggitymark 5 months ago
The reason why everyone who got pneumonia and couldn't get better from it was that they were taking hand full of antibiotics when they didn't need them, so when they actually needed antibiotics for something like pneumonia, ironically the only thing they were immune to was the antibiotics..super bugs were around then too!!!
ro66ie30 6 months ago
yall niggas still hatn on the truth
bessemercitychange 7 months ago
Im sure, that you as author are the first one who uses AZT to cure yourself if you get a diagnose. Im looking forward to it.
Do you have cancer btw? Then you dont need AZT, you can just double the dosis cause AZT relabeled chemotherapiemedicine against cancer =)
But for god sake i hope u dont get a positiv test. For me as an european its easy to say cause we have a totally different HI-Virustest then u have - no standard worldwide =)
So test yourself in canada cause they're not so "positive".
DonBagalude 7 months ago
@DonBagalude
Actually, you're a victim of misinformation that you read on the Internet.
1. AZT alone is not currently used to treat HIV infection in the US, UK, or Canada.
2. The International HIV Reference Standard is available from the National Institute of Biological Standards and Controls in the UK.
You can read more at J Virol Methods. 2008 Dec;154(1-2):86-91.
You will find that the Internet is a very poor source of information on health. AIDS denialists are relying on your gullibility.
C0nc0rdance 7 months ago
@C0nc0rdance
1. AZT was used since 1987 to the 1990s only and was then used with the tritheraphy in combination. So still AZT is used...
2. There is no worldwide, equal standard test. You refer to the UK Standard test which is quiet different to the one in canada.
"You will find that the Internet is a very poor source of information on health" That doesnt speak to your youtube videos either. But do you mind to tell me if you write books or sth. or do you write here only for pharmas?
DonBagalude 7 months ago
@DonBagalude
1. He said "AZT alone" learn to read or just stfu.
And I'm not even going to bother what you got wrong with 2.
mecher3k 7 months ago
@mecher3k Who cares what he said. I said first that AZT is a relabeled Cancer therapy. I didnt say that it is only 1 of a 3 part treament. Why should i go in details about that ??? He thought to give me an advice about it but i posted to make clear that i already know that. So whats your problem? Heres not enough place to write a serious statement. Sadly enough space to troll a good scientist who ask why there is not a serious scientific discussion about the topic "HIV" and "AIDS".
DonBagalude 7 months ago
@DonBagalude what are you talking about when you say Canadians aren't so positive?
hitcan79 6 months ago
@hitcan79 The truth ? ! ;-)
DonBagalude 6 months ago
@DonBagalude I don't get it lol, that could mean any number of things man
hitcan79 4 months ago
@hitcan79 u dont get it lol. Just go on an other site about the aids topic. i dont go in details and btw u yourself are the one who has to inform yourself. And if u dont desire to go in the details its also fine. For me i dont trust an industry so much that i wont ask questions about it. If u do so maybe u find some disturbing informations or maybe not cause u not at least some medical knowledge or sb who helps u with that.
Do whatever u want =)
DonBagalude 4 months ago
@DonBagalude dude it isn't about trusting this asshole or that asshole, OK? What I am fighting with people for is because I know AIDS killed people close to me, So ya of course if someone tries to tell me it's not real, I tend to get pissed off what the fuck are you talking about going into details n shit? and way my mind is made up thanks,. I've seen what this does to people
hitcan79 4 months ago
@hitcan79 my codelences. Did they get the "treament" as usual. If y, then therecant be a proof for u that HIV kills. You saw them die with the medcine. And this medicine is a hell of help. More to the point google the history of it and you'll find that it is not a helping medicine. It doesnt make your immune system stronger and it doesnt strenght your body in any way. It ust kills cells and other living or nonliving materials in your body. I mean a virus is defined as not living. Help yourself
DonBagalude 4 months ago
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hitcan79 4 months ago
@DonBagalude they had no "treatment" I have plenty of proof they died because of advanced HIV disease a.k.a. AIDS,. so ya thanks, and thanks for the question but I really didn't even finish reading it, I could see I was being "led" into something about medicine and therefor a reason of death, sorry not in this case.. or rather THREE cases.
hitcan79 4 months ago
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felinefury3000 3 months ago
Im sure, that you as author are the first one who uses AZT to cure yourself if you get a diagnose. Im looking forward to it.
Do you have cancer btw? Then you dont need AZT, you can just double the dosis cause AZT relabeled chemotherapiemedicine against cancer =)
But for god sake i hope u dont get a positiv test. For me as an european its easy to say cause we have a totally different HI-Virustest then u have - no standard worldwide =)
So test yourself in canada cause they're not so "positive".
DonBagalude 7 months ago
Thank you both for the discussion, I've learned a lot as a result. I suggest you do the same.
bitterbonker 8 months ago
@bitterbonker I'm glad. Best wishes.
1234qwergh 8 months ago
Dr. Griffin conceded that a measles vaccine should not be given to an immunosuppressed child & that if Michelle had evidence of a persisting, replicating measles virus, it would be “an important observation” & “should definitely be followed up” by a physician. Dr. Fujinami provided significant evidence that measles virus can persist in human cells, injure tissues, & cause a potentially damaging autoimmune response. The special master ignored these concessions & supporting literature in error.
bitterbonker 8 months ago
Of studies "proving" no aut-vax link:
- No real world studies of vaccine schedule. Of 11 vaccines given to US children only one (MMR) has been studied for relationship to autism. Yet, US children get 6-7 different vaccines simultaneously at 2,4,6,&12 months.
- No study compares vaccinated to unvaccinated children- only children who received vaccines.
- Studies rife with conflicts- authors paid by vaccine co's & federal agencies & foreign govts charged with administering vaccines.
bitterbonker 8 months ago
@bitterbonker A Geier study? Really? I saw this really cool paper by Fleischman and Pons too.
The flaws in the Geier studies (his son's too) have been pointed out by more competent people than me (courts, AAP) so I won't go into that.
But please, keep trying. Wining an argument online is oh so important.
1234qwergh 8 months ago
@1234qwergh The Pons-Fleischman effect has been replicated by hundreds of world class laboratories- several in the Navy, Los Alamos and national labs in the U.S., France, Italy, China and India, and at dozens of corporations including Mitsubishi, Toyota and Amoco. And all of the so-called studies "disproving" the autism-vaccine link are either worthless or would, if read properly, actually SHOW a link.
It's not about winning, it's about the truth. Take a closer look before assuming you know.
bitterbonker 8 months ago
@1234qwergh - And the courts are crooked. For example, Judge Nigel Davis (who confirmed the decision to have UK childrens’ funding for the autism claims taken away in September 2003) is brother of Sir Crispin Davis- a main board director of the Defendants in the case GlaxoSmithKline and the CEO of the owners of The Lancet journal which published and then withdrew the Wakefield/Royal Free 1998 paper suggesting the possibility of a link between autism and the MMR vaccine. The deck is stacked.
bitterbonker 8 months ago
@1234qwergh Michelle Cedillo’s medical records demonstrate that several of her treating physicians associated her illness with her MMR vaccine: (1) Dr. Daniel Crawford, her pediatrician; (2) Dr. William Masland, a neurologist; (3) Dr. Lisa Shigio, an audiologist; (4) Karlsson Roth, a developmental psychologist; (5) Dr. Sudhir Gupta, an immunologist; (6) Dr. Ira Lott, a pediatric neurologist; and (7) Dr. B.J. Freeman, a neuropsychologist. The court unjustly gave no weight to these statements.
bitterbonker 8 months ago
@1234qwergh The special master relied solely upon 17 of the US Government’s experts, yet chose to ignore the many concessions of these experts that *supported* Michelle’s case. Dr. Brent conceded to the vast body of evidence regarding the effects of organic mercury on the immune system. Dr. Stephen Hanauer conceeded that Michelle had substantial symptoms of IBD. A petitioner is required to prove a preponderance of evidence and not exactly what caused the injury and by what biological mechanism.
bitterbonker 8 months ago
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bitterbonker 8 months ago
No expertise in the area, no access to the data, unsure as to the methodology... Why should anyone take you seriously?
Drop it C0nc0rdance, it's just not worth it.
1234qwergh 8 months ago
@1234qwergh Others have replicated Wakefield's findings:
A new paper in JAMA confirms [contrary to US health officials claims] that mitochondrial dysfunction common in children like 9 year old US girl Hannah Poling. The new paper confirms these children:
"were more likely to have mitochondrial dysfunction, mtDNA overreplication, and mtDNA deletions than typically developing children.“
Mitochondrial Dysfunction in Autism JAMA. 2010;304(21):2389-2396. doi: 10.1001/jama.2010.1706
bitterbonker 8 months ago
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bitterbonker 8 months ago
@1234qwergh "Young children who have dysfunctional cellular energy metabolism therefore might be more prone to undergo autistic regression between 18 and 30 months of age if they also have infections or immunizations at the same time."
Developmental Regression & Mitochondrial Dysfunction in a Child With Autism (Journal of Journal of Child Neurology / Volume 21, Number 2, February 2006)
The problem isn't enought evidence for Wakefield's claims, it's TOO MUCH evidence. Do some REAL research
bitterbonker 8 months ago
@1234qwergh - I'm basing my opinion on the research of scientists WITH expertise, & the testimony of doctors who actually WORKED WITH these children. All the bogus research purporting to disprove this comes from people with clear ties to vaccine manufacturers, yet they are NEVER called into question for conflicts of interest, whereas people who call for more careful research of vaccines, or compensation for victims, are ALWAYS questioned, regardless of the quality of their work. Give me a break.
bitterbonker 8 months ago
@bitterbonker Flamewar, yay!
1234qwergh 8 months ago
@1234qwergh - ...Never mind the hard evidence I presented.
bitterbonker 8 months ago
@bitterbonker
Such hard evidence! Case reports FTW! Go fetch me a meta-analysis, chop chop!
1234qwergh 8 months ago
@1234qwergh - David A. Geier & Mark R. Geier, "A meta-analysis epidemiological assessment of neurodevelopmental disorders following vaccines administered from 1994 through 2000 in the United States." Neuro Endocrinol Lett. 2006 Aug.; 27(4) 401–13.
bitterbonker 8 months ago
@bitterbonker "Statistical modeling in a meta-analysis epidemiological assessment of
the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) for neurodevelopment disorders
(NDs) reported ... significantly increased adjusted (sex, age, vaccine type, vaccine manufacturer)
risks of autism, speech disorders, mental retardation, personality disorders,
thinking abnormalities, ataxia, and NDs in general, with minimal systematic
error or confounding, were associated with TCV [Thimerosol] exposure."
bitterbonker 8 months ago
@1234qwergh I take him as serious as a heart attack, he's the only person making video's on here telling the truth about these fucking morons. Keep up the good work, C0nc0rdance
hitcan79 4 months ago
Finally a video on this man that shows the truth and totally shoots down his stupid AIDS ideas, people who agree with him are so god damn mouthy and are stuck in the same damn gear all the time, it's a crime that this moron was interviewed for a movie and documentary on AIDS and that he is taken seriously by so many people, there needs to be more video's on these idiots.
Allen10579 9 months ago
@unimog2012 Thanks. Yet, there are so many truths that are being suppressed on so many issues, that getting these gigantic organizations to be wounded fatally so they'll go away, is like trying to kill a million headed hydra; the moment one issue implodes on them, there are still more ways they are doing us in. I have come to view existance on earth as some sort of spiritual test of how well one can keep their sanity in the face of so much that is insane and "believed" by "true believers."
olga2415 9 months ago
these are the games that the AIDS establishment plays with peoples heads.high t-cell count today,low t-cell count tomorrow.healthy today,sick tomorrow.trying to control something within your body that you cant always control would run anyone crazy.and this is what people who test HIV positive has to deal with daily and its a real shame.people who has consistently low tcell counts never feels or gets sick.these are the things that the AIDS establishment cant explain to save their lives
SirHulk1977 9 months ago
@unimog2012 lThanks for your support. I cannot believe the things people are willing to believe that so-called peer reviewed doctors have to say. It is obvious that the health of Americans is not getting better these days; only worse. I hate it when people throw "peer review" out as an argument not to listen to any doctor that is getting real results and cures. The establishment is committed to illness so it can have something to "cure" while it commits genocide on us.
olga2415 9 months ago
Dr. Duesberg DID produce extensive research data that supports every contention he makes. Think! What does Duesgerg have to gain by going against the main stream medical establishment which is making billions with their own treatments of AIDS. Gallo has been prosecuted for the damage he has done to the whole issue of AIDS and making up the HIV scare. Think, people!
olga2415 9 months ago
perhaps the original video poster is a nice person, rather young and naiive and as i said tunnel-visioned, in desperation if a family member is an aids doctor, inadvertently sent someone to azt torture and death... and this is a project of a loved one desperately trying to perpetuate that azt was needed and it is a virus, rather a completely natural bacteria strain .... when they were in desperation themselves to PINPOINT4 human limited brains a category a name for temp. dis--ease
boogiesylvers 10 months ago
thus, scientists need to be totally aware FOREVER 24-7 that they are NOT JUST THE MIND, THE BRAIN THEY MUSSSSST ALWAYSSS REMEMBER THE SOULLLLL AND THE NATURAL ORGANIC ANIMAL BODY THAT WE ARE. and that most are neglecting that now... no physical work, conveniences, laziness, lots of fun but no sleep, and the soul... people are making a lot of sleazy choices now lets face it not just in sci. world but even in personal lives, im not a relig. freak but"" virtue"" is uncommon lately
boogiesylvers 10 months ago
3 . A spiritual um demi-saint? guru? lol very enlightened person can get like buddha , a real mess on earth physically , neglect the body survival here , and mentally... no common senssseee, everythign for the spirit and seeking higher truth but making their lives and everyoen aroudn them a scary mess u see that imbalance-- theyre resting on the laurels of their great soul and spiritual but not ACCEPTING of facing truth-- they are here to balance and improve BODY AND MIND as well
boogiesylvers 10 months ago
1. a brainiac can try every nasty chem, device, u name it to treat a neglected body, and bipass a bankrupt soul w/ said vile decisions. (a con.science? hellooo)
2. a hot bod lol can use taht animal self, neglect the brain, be morally corrupt and live a life of crime and continue to do anything they can to deny the truth, enhance their rotten beliefs of imbalance and destruction... to others and themselves rather than DO THE WORK! cont... listen im busy i have to go lol almost done...
boogiesylvers 10 months ago
K, Lets centrifuge shall we? lol filter.. we are here to perfect? or improve our mind, bodies , and soul (spiritual goodness, enlightenment etc). Peeeeps are doing anything they cannn to be lazy arsses and use their STRONG position only, (rest on one's laurels if u will), and keep negletcting the weaker two, or one. for hypothesis sakes we only have space to do 1 vs 2 depts. (of mind body soul) cont...
boogiesylvers 10 months ago
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boogiesylvers 10 months ago
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boogiesylvers 10 months ago
Maybe you'll grow a mind of your own when you stop livign under daddys gonads or is it mommy's mamms u are attached to you little nazi dink. It is so sad and debilitating to see how our rote left-brain zealot-driven educ system can create such spirit-less unnatural godless (not religion) , monstersssss . U really believe all your bull-crud to justify a purchased mate, a life of greed, hoarding,decadence, & your future life of paying escorts as u turn into a hideous pig. KARMA; deal.
boogiesylvers 10 months ago
PETER ADMITTED HE WAS WRONG w/ all the courage a human being could muster, w/ such heart and soul, which u so sadly lack. How DARE you leave out the MAIN TRUTH & Original occurences. Peter did NOT initially say - lifestyle dis- -ease; he was the one who did your usual soulless sci. needling into a category=VIRUS (forced sci). He has since BEGGED a retraction to save lives and suffering at the cost of his reputation, IMMENSE remorse , as well as sacrificing acalades & ego-rewards.
boogiesylvers 10 months ago
u are a blithering 2-faced fool u had the answer upfront w. admitting when wrong, YOU ARE WRONG and cant face the murders by azt and frightening someone to death , to shut down, etc with a lethal diagnosis. u are a godless left-brain greedy egomaniac tunnel-visioned albeit well-read pea-brain who rather play hero, than actually save and prevent this torture and horror. U my non-dear are the epitome of the adage, "u can't shine shiyt" like the evil Mengela amputator Liz Hasselbeck.
boogiesylvers 10 months ago
Propaganda. Duesberg has an 800 page book defending and proving his position. You throw out an 8 minute clip and think it has any value? Go play your games with high school kids.
bammbamm12 10 months ago
@bammbamm12
I don't care if he wrote an 8000 page book. When a scientist fails to submit their work to peer-review of other scientists, your alarm bells should be ringing. The fact that he is profiting from the sale of this book should also make you skeptical. The fact that no other virologists have been swayed by his tireless advocacy should have you really asking questions.
I would be much more convinced by actual experiments, but Duesberg has never had HIV in his lab.
C0nc0rdance 10 months ago
@C0nc0rdance - Duesberg submits to truth. His adversaries submit to Mammon. You know nothing.
bammbamm12 10 months ago
@C0nc0rdance Your Bible, "Peer Review" has becomed degraded into an exercise in mediocrity and sheople following sheople to even their own destruction due to cowardice. Peer review today, couldn't be less representative of medical truth.
olga2415 9 months ago
@C0nc0rdance Your argument holds no water. There are always more cowards than there are heros. De. Duesberg is risking all by his stand on the HIV/AIDS issue. One must always judge an advocacy by which side has most to gain by their own perspective. There is no such thing as a Human Imunodeficiency Virus that causes AIDS. That's why it cannot be isolated. When anyone shows antibodies against an organism, it means the organism has been defeated. Microbiology 101.
olga2415 9 months ago
@olga2415
The HIV virus has been isolated, sequenced, micrographed, taken apart and put back together. It's routinely isolated every day in labs around the world by grad students.
If someone has Mycobacterium tuberculosis-reactive antibodies, are they now cured of TB? What about Hepatitis B? Herpes? Malaria? Filarial parasites?
Dr. Duesberg is welcome to be a hero by supporting his arguments with empirical data. He has not. EVIDENCE is what makes a case in science, not stubbornness.
C0nc0rdance 9 months ago
@C0nc0rdance You are misinformed.
olga2415 9 months ago
@olga2415
About which part? That HIV has been isolated and purified, since before 1987?
Lancet. 1987 Oct 17;2(8564):916. Isolation of HIV-1 from monocytes but not T lymphocytes.
Isr J Med Sci. 1988 Mar;24(3):141-4. 9010. Isolation of HIV from Israeli patients and asymptomatic carriers.
EMBO J. 1988 Jul;7(7):2117-30. Purification of the human immunodeficiency virus type 1 enhancer and TAR binding proteins EBP-1 and UBP-1.
dozens more just from that period... it's routine procedure now.
C0nc0rdance 9 months ago
@C0nc0rdance The HIV Virus is acctually HTLVIII, Robert Gallo took this from Luc Montagnier so in fact the HIV never actually existed. So how do they isolate something which does not exist?
spectre1234567 9 months ago
@C0nc0rdance - Duesberg doesn't disagree that the particle/virus exists, he has just pointed to the evidence that this particle is not the major cause of what we call "AIDS". His work won't be recieved by the academic community for peer review. It's a matter of an unscientific bias in the medical community, driven by profit, and possibly by genocide. The medical community has been owned by the Rockefellers for a century. That's why you never hear that there are non-drug based cures for HIV, etc.
bitterbonker 9 months ago
@bitterbonker
1. Duesberg has never worked with the HIV virus.
2. Duesberg published several reviews, the first in 1989, and the latest in 2009, for a total of 9 review papers and a dozen letters. However, the 2009 paper was retracted by the editors for "poor quality" of evidence. His predictions have been falsified by actual experiments and two decades of actual research.
3. The Rockefellers are owned by the Alien Greys and the Illuminati, and have been since 9,000 B.C. Wake up sheeple!
C0nc0rdance 9 months ago
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bitterbonker 9 months ago
@C0nc0rdance - Funny how anytime someone posts research results that could disturb vested economic interests, they are always discredited. Look at Dr. Wakefield's Lancet study on the MMR-autism connection. He was blacklisted, and a slew of studies that really WERE flawed came out to "disprove" his research. I've seen pretty sloppy standards pass lustre in medical journals. For example, in clinical trials for cancer drugs, people who DIED during the study were REMOVED from the results! WTF?!
bitterbonker 9 months ago
@bitterbonker
Actually, I'm working on a video about Wakefield's retracted paper. I've got my hands on the raw data he used, and it's a smoking gun that he falsified the data in that paper.
He was "struck off" for performing painful spinal taps on young children without a good reason and without the required supervision.
He was paid by trial lawyers to obtain a result they could sue over, and he filed a patent for a single valent measles vaccine. You sure you want to defend him?
C0nc0rdance 9 months ago
@C0nc0rdance More double standards. Nobody ever questions the invasiveness of pumping small children with ethylmercury, a proven neurotoxin, and other dangerous compounds. Are you suggesting there aren't conflicts of interests in the medical field? Wakefield isn't even anti-vaccine, he just recommended against the triple dose. Parents are told that the single measles jab is dangerous in this country, yet it is used in countries like Africa. This is pure pathological science.
bitterbonker 9 months ago
@bitterbonker
Would a conflict of interest include the payments by trial lawyers to Wakefield for "consultation" and the patent he owns on a monovalent measles vaccine? What about his actions, conducting research on autistic children without any ethical review that is legally required?
It was illegal, immoral, fraudulent, harmed children for no reason, and was done for selfish self-interest and under the table payments. He lost his license for putting needles in childrens' spines needlessly.
C0nc0rdance 9 months ago
@C0nc0rdance - Are you aware that the federal government takes children away from their parents who refuse to being submitted to highly toxic AZT "treatment" (AZT is itself immunosuppressive, it was shelved for decades)? Are you aware that Incarnation Children's Center in NYC was testing new drugs on "HIV+" minority orphans? Andy Wakefield was conducting those tests with the parent's wishes. The law has run amok. People who use "alternative" treatments SUCCESSFULLY have their licenses revoked
bitterbonker 9 months ago
@C0nc0rdance - Marcia Angell (editor of NEJM for 20 years) points out that in 2002, the top 10 fortune 500 (pharma) companies made higher profits than ALL OTHER 490 COMBINED. Even assuming their drugs are safe and effective(which is highly suspect), where is the justice? And it's not b/c of research costs- taxpayers pay most of the costs of research, drug co's spend more on advertising. Medical journals feature multi-million dollar advertisements for drugs, you have no problem with that?
bitterbonker 9 months ago
@bitterbonker
I'd suggest you watch my video "Big Pharma". The largest Pharma in the world is ranked 47 on the Fortune 500, just behind Sears and UPS. They are profitable on a percentage basis, but have relatively small revenues compared to Wal-Mart or Exxon. For example, Pfizer made 8 billion, Exxon made 40 billion in 2010.
The majority of shares are owned by 401Ks, pensions and mutual fund managers... that means the average working guy is the one profiting from pharma.
C0nc0rdance 9 months ago
@bitterbonker
All of this avoids my direct question about your defense of a man who was paid money to conduct immoral research that punctured the spines of autistic children needlessly, then misrepresented the findings to his own profit. As I say, I am in possession of Wakefield's original data, and it clearly demonstrates deliberate scientific fraud.
If you would like to replace capitalism in medicine, I suggest you write up a proposal for a better system.
C0nc0rdance 9 months ago
@C0nc0rdance - Wakefield had good reason to believe that a genetic mitochondrial disorder is a contraindication against the MMR vaccine, & unfortunately, a spinal tap is the only way to measure that. Inflicting momentary harm could potentially save many children from a lifetime of damage from regressive autism. This possibility still exists. The fact that the pharma community reacted with a smear campaign, instead of open debate & honest research, speaks darkly of the state of medical "science".
bitterbonker 8 months ago
@bitterbonker
When scientists conduct human research, they submit a detailed proposal to an IRB, institutional review board. The board is composed of physicians, scientists and experts in medical ethics. They get to determine whether a research protocol does more harm than good, not the researcher.
Dr. Wakefield violated the IRB procedure. He bypassed the normal patient protections and that makes his study unethical, one of the key reasons it was retracted by the journal.
C0nc0rdance 8 months ago
@C0nc0rdance If you study the paper "Response to Dr. Ari Brown & the Immunization Action Coalition", not only will you find several other papers that support Dr. Wakefield's research, you will find papers that support the observation that autism & developmental/behavioral disorders ARE on the rise, suggesting an environmental cause.
Not only that, the papers purporting to disprove Wakefield's hypothesis have serious problems with their methodology, evidencing careless-or fraudulent-research.
bitterbonker 8 months ago
@bitterbonker
I've got Dr. Wakefield's raw real-time PCR data here on my desk. It was collected in an audit of his research by an acquaintance of mine, Stephen Bustin. It's quite plain that someone altered the "threshold" fluorescence for a positive result between the samples and controls so that they would score positive for measles RNA.
It was a clear case of scientific fraud by someone in his lab, and it explains why no-one has been able to replicate this finding. He's a fraudster.
C0nc0rdance 8 months ago
@C0nc0rdance But his study did pass IRB, & that's why it was originally printed. It's unclear why it was retracted, but it probably has to do with the economic interests of vaccine manufacturers. His results HAVE been replicated- see refs. 124-131 of the paper I mentioned earlier, for example. And the studies that have not found a link have been non-clinical... the Cochrane review has shown them to be of poor quality. For example, Fombonne mixed data from 2 cities to obtain "no correlation"!
bitterbonker 8 months ago
@bitterbonker
You may be thinking of peer review. IRB is an ethics panel that approves human experiments, and Simon Murch, one of the authors of the study, failed to get IRB approval for research on human subjects. Patients were enrolled at Wakefield's son's birthday party, blood was taken from outside the study protocol, all of these are major violations of scientific and medical ethics.
We're not talking about the outcome of his study, merely the illegal and immoral way he conducted it.
C0nc0rdance 8 months ago
@C0nc0rdance The data you are referring to were cherry-picked from O'Leary Labs' records & were not even relevant to Wakefield's case for Michelle Cedillo's substantial inflammation levels (SILs). It was pulled out at the last minute during the trial, without giving the claimants opportunity to review it. The key reports filed by Dr. O’Leary himself, & by his molecular biologist, Dr. Shields, were NOT used. Dr. Finbar Cotter (for one) HAS independently replicated the findings you call "fraud".
bitterbonker 8 months ago
@bitterbonker
You are in over your head on this. I'm talking about measles RNA detection on Wakefield's ABI7000 system, not cytokine titers like the SIL sample. In the raw dRn plots, the evidence of tampering is obvious to someone who is an expert in real-time PCR. The thresholds were shifted between negative control and sample. Even though both are flat lines with creeping drift, the samples were force-called positive by manipulating threshold.
There is no other explanation for this.
C0nc0rdance 8 months ago
@C0nc0rdance “Could Brian Deer please let the BMJ know the means by which UK legislation allows freelance (or any other) journalists, to view original research files, & compare them with Royal Free (or any other hospital or private practice) medical files of children with full identities available, all test results available, without parental consent; the studies' authors consent; privacy restraints or hospital ethics committee approval?” -Hilary Butler
Deer & Bustin have shown lack of ethics
bitterbonker 8 months ago
@bitterbonker
Tell you what. I'll make a video about in a few weeks, including presentation of the inappropriately manipulated analysis within the data file.
What he, or someone in his lab, did, is equivalent to Photoshopping someone out of a picture to prove an alibi. It's an obvious manipulation of actual results to make them appear to support a finding they do not.
C0nc0rdance 8 months ago
@C0nc0rdance I admit that I don't have access to the data you are referring to, nor do I have expertise in this area. But I do believe that several independent experts have corroborated Wakefield's results... though I am not sure what methodology or equipment they used. There appear to be several lines of evidence in support of a *possibility* for a link between MMR & regressive autism. Also, if what I said before is true, it brings into question the credibility & integrity of Stephen Bustin.
bitterbonker 8 months ago
@C0nc0rdance - 1st of all, where does this so-called data you have even come from? Is it from Brian Deer, the "journalist" who seems to be paid just to try to discredit Wakefield? Deer claimed Dr Wakefield “altered numerous facts about the patients’ medical histories", yet it no one at the Royal Free Hospital London had them nor is it normal practice for them to have had them. I have no reason to believe you have Wakefield's data, because of the utter dishonesty of people like Deer & Bustin.
bitterbonker 8 months ago
@C0nc0rdance Look at the study "Prenatal & Infant Exposure to Thimerosal From Vaccines & Immunoglobulins & Risk of Autism." It claims that there is no vaccine-autism link. Yet it says, "On average, case-children & control children had similar cumulative ethyl-mercury exposures at the end of each exposure period.” In other words, the study had no value whatsoever. It's like saying that smoking is not linked to lung cancer b/c not everyone who smokes gets cancer. THESE studies are fraudulent!!!
bitterbonker 8 months ago
@bitterbonker
Patients who die before the completion of a clinical trial are usually removed because they can't complete the protocol. Imagine if you are evaluating the effect of taking Drug A for 90 days, and someone in the treatment group dies on Day 2. They only took the drug for a day, so you can hardly evaluate the effects of the treatment.
At the end of the study, the "% of group completing protocol" is looked at as an indicator of patient's ability to tolerate treatment.
C0nc0rdance 9 months ago
@C0nc0rdance More importantly, cancer chemotherapy causes damage to rapidly-dividing cells. In most cases it will cause the tumors to shrink, but this is a far cry from a cure. These trials are too short. Back to HIV, Kerry Mullis is another world-class scientist who was turned into a pariah for honestly reporting results. He invented the damn PCR test they use, but later indicated that it was unreliable. Likelihood of being diagnosed + varies from country to country. Politics, not science.
bitterbonker 9 months ago
@bitterbonker
Karry ("a", not "e") Mullis also has championed the scientific truth of astrology, claims to have been abducted multiple times by aliens he describes as "glowing raccoons" . He's also anti-global warming and supports legalizing full-auto assault weapons for "hunting". He's a nut, and irrelevant in science.
Karry has also never worked with HIV. His opinions are just that; opinions.
C0nc0rdance 9 months ago
@C0nc0rdance - “Where is the research that says HIV is the cause of AIDS? There are 10,000 people in the world now who specialize in HIV. None has any interest in the possibility HIV doesn’t cause AIDS because if it doesn’t, their expertise is useless.”
Dr. Kary Mullis, PhD, Biochemist, Winner, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for inventing PCR basis for the HIV viral load tests Have you actually heard HIM say those things, or are you just basing that on other people's slander?
bitterbonker 9 months ago
@olga2415
Do you perhaps think that malaria patients who develop antibodies no longer have malaria? What about hepatitis patients? Can we detect antibodies against hepatitis virus before the patient is all better?
You may also like to visit the Los Alamos National Labs database of HIV sequences. A simple Google search will get you there.
C0nc0rdance 9 months ago
@C0nc0rdance We are no here discussing malaria. Stop changing the subject. Do not ever let it be said of you that you refused to consider a different perspective on any issue. The evidence is mounting as we sit here, that AZT and any other drug that damages the immune system is the thing that causes Acquired Immuno -Deficient Syndrome. The problem is in the name! Think! Study further. Quit defending a stance that is falling by the second.
olga2415 9 months ago
@C0nc0rdance - bollocks to the HIV virus. WE were told AIDS was a virus. Has that been isolated? Nope.
bammbamm12 9 months ago
@C0nc0rdance Funny you should mention the peer review process; Robert Gallo, the one who invented Human Immunological Virus himself managed to bypass the peer review process when he launched the fraud that HIV is allegedly the virus that causes AIDS. It isn't and it has been proven by Dr. Duesberg. The man has saved lives. Robert Gallo has been convicted of scientific misbehavior. Dr. Duesberg has submitted his findings to peer review; it was not accepted. too much $ in illness.
olga2415 9 months ago
@bammbamm12 I'm reading the book at this very moment. I checked it out of the Public Library to make sure I wanted to spend the money buying it. I will own the book tomorrow! It's Good information not written in high flying syntax that only three people on the planet can understand; which is how govt. likes to write its code books. Why? So people can be baffled with bull shit. Dr. Duesbert is a microbiolist whose govt. grant was cut off for submitting his report on the truth about HIV/AIDS.
olga2415 9 months ago
@bammbamm12 Sadly, there are too many on the earth who would rather be told what to believe than to do their own research and exercise their own reason as to who tends to benefit most from the info they are receiving.
olga2415 9 months ago
@olga2415 - This is not an issue that we should approach with passion or prejudice, and I see his opposition having too much of that. They accuse him of being responsible for the deaths of thousands. Why would someone say that? No one even listens to him. You can usually tell by the way people argue whether or not they are sincerely searching for the truth. Duesberg is methodical and logical - that's why I believe him. Since he has been ostracized, I don't believe his adversaries.
bammbamm12 9 months ago
@bammbamm12 I too, use the same logic to evaluate the arguments against Dr. Duesberg. Why would a Dr. go against mainstream medicine as to invite such criticism and lose the grant money from the establishment? People who think in the hysterical mode never ask themselves the important questions. It is obvious that this Dr. and those like him, are truly the brave ones who are genuinely trying to save lives. They are the real Dr.s, who take their oaths seriously.
olga2415 9 months ago
@olga2415 - As the saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink."
bammbamm12 9 months ago
@bammbamm12 Too, too true.
olga2415 9 months ago
@bammbamm12 I agree
spectre1234567 9 months ago
How can you criticize Duesberg for not submitting to peer review? and actually he has several pieces that are peer reviewed. And Dr. Robert Gallo released his findings on HIV before submitting it to peer review, we now know that everything he published was fraudulent.
spectre1234567 9 months ago
@spectre1234567 - People believe what they want to believe. Say something they don't like, they'll ask for evidence. Give them evidence and they'll impugn it. If it holds up, they'll impugn the source of the evidence. People like the AIDS story - it makes them feel good, and buys a lot of new cars for a lot of phonies.
bammbamm12 9 months ago
A note of personal experience, which may help. I am HIV+. I see my HIV+ friends who are not on meds either because they don't need to or don't want to; they look vibrant and healthy. I see the people in my doctor's waiting room, who (must be) all on meds. They all look sickly, almost all with some type of dysmorphia. In the past 20 years that I have been in active in the gay community, I have never heard of someone getting AIDS who has NOT been on meds. I think you have oversimplified this issue
stupidgenius61 11 months ago
@stupidgenius61
I appreciate your observations. I'm always a little leery of anecdotes like this, though. People make pretty unreliable statistical records in their heads. They recall the hits and discard the misses.
If I pulled a scientific paper that systematically studied the effects of ARV on quality and length of life, would that persuade you to question your position, given your observations? I don't claim to be an expert on the topic, which is why I'd have to go to the literature.
C0nc0rdance 10 months ago
@C0nc0rdance I just don't know how that could be answered with a paper. Sure, statistically people may be living and not dying while on meds. And I don't know how would we measure "quality of life." But how will we ever know what would have happened if they didn't? I agree everyone's biases will show up when making a judgement- that goes for you, Peter Duesberg, and myself.
stupidgenius61 10 months ago
@C0nc0rdance I appreciate everyone trying to get to the bottom of this through nuts and bolts scientific research. But I think if you are this passionate about your subject, you should put down your papers and interview and investigate real people with HIV. I was ready to take the meds if I had to, but I started to change my mind due to a long list of personal interactions and research that is too lengthy to cover here. I'm not trying to be dogmatic, but find the best answer for my health.
stupidgenius61 10 months ago
@C0nc0rdance I haven't been able to read all these responses, but the biggest hole in your answers I can find is that you point to statistics which claim that a majority of HIV+ people became infected with AIDS over time. But were they on ARV drugs at the time? How do we know it wasn't the drugs?
stupidgenius61 10 months ago
@stupidgenius61- Haha I love how scientific records, which can easily be faked, are taken to mean more than people's own perceptions. Take Lyme disease; modern medical science can't quantify it, so people who show up with this disease are accused of being "hypochondriacs". It's fucking ridiculous, if you'll pardon my language; it really makes me angry. Your perception, and that of other HIV+ people (REAL people!) is right. Forget the phony statistics and fudged animal tests...
bitterbonker 10 months ago
If you think your analogy of James Earl Jones is a sound one, you'll make an excellent researcher for one corporation or another. I've heard smug arrogant voices before but yours is absolutely nauseating. I don't think anyone will ever come between you and the love you have for yourself. Yeuk. No really.......YEUK!
kaferere 11 months ago
Arthur Ashe was prescribed and took AZT, which killed him. Just as Duesberg contends.
Whoops! There goes your video Not very smart..
shortist2003 11 months ago
@shortist2003.and so did kimberly bergalis the young woman in south florida who was a virgin and "supposedly" caught the virus from her dentists.but that was never proven because no one could figure out how he passed "HIV" to her.because she was a virgin and her dentist just so happened to have been diagnosed as HIV "positive" prior to her diagnosis,it was "thought" that she must have gotten it from him somehow.nevertheless,she was poisioned to death at miami university with azt experimentations
SirHulk1977 10 months ago
@SirHulk1977 Arthur Ashe and Kimberley Bergalis both had AIDS before their HIV infection was discovered and they started treatment. Ashe had cerebral toxoplasmosis and Bergalis had PCP. Median survival with a diagnosis of AIDS before AZT treatment was 11 months. Ashe survived for 4 years and Bergalis for two. How can you say AZT caused their deaths?
eSnout 9 months ago
@eSnout ..kimberly bergalis was diagnosed as HIV positive prior to receiving an AIDS diagnosis.she didnt have an illness bad enough to call AIDS without first taking an HIV test and if that was positive,then she gets an AIDS diagnosis.now,one can argue that the small bout of pneumonia that she had along with the yeast infection she acquired while taking antibiotics (very common for women) when she had dental work done might have been called AIDS prematurely and after she tested positive for HIV.
SirHulk1977 9 months ago
@SirHulk1977 No, Kimberley Bergalis' "small bout of pneumonia" was PCP. This was her AIDS-defining diagnosis. Her T cell count was 41. This was before she started AZT.
eSnout 9 months ago
@eSnout...well,the fungus that causes PCP is a common fungus found in the environment and does not cause illness in most people.and any type of immune suppression by any means can make ones immune system susceptible to the fungus,thus causing them to possibly acquiring PCP.so getting PCP is a lot easier than most people think and thousands of HIV free cases of PCP are reported every year.and why dont we hear about those cases?.its simple,it completely underminds the HIV=AIDS hypothesis.thats why
SirHulk1977 9 months ago
@eSnout...and finally,lets talk about t-cell counts..if i told you that something as simple as sleep deprivation can cause the healthiest persons t-cell count to drop off below 100 at any given time,would that make you question the whole t-cell thing?..fact is,t-cells never remain at a constant level.high today and low tomorrow is how most healthy peoples t-cell counts go.many healthy persons t-cell count drops below the magic number of 200 all the time.does this mean they are an AIDS patient?
SirHulk1977 9 months ago
@eSnout..and also,being that she was in no way associated with any risk group that harbors most of the HIV/AIDS cases,and being that she was a very young white female,by the standards of the HIV test,it would have been virtually impossible for her to have received an AIDS diagnosis PRIOR to having an HIV test administered first.and furthermore,things are so cloudy with the Kimberly Bergalis case that depending on who you talk to and what you read,you get many different and conflicting stories
SirHulk1977 9 months ago
@eSnout..But what is very well known and documented about Kimberly Bergalis is that fact that she took very high dosages of AZT.and for PR purposes,the woman who was not in any risk group for being infected with HIV/AIDS,had no real illness prior to taking an HIV test and receiving a positive diagnosis and who took tremendous amounts of the DNA chain terminating/cell poisioning drug known as AZT, was wheeled in front of members of congress and used as the poster child for the AIDS establishment
SirHulk1977 9 months ago
@eSnout ..and as for Arthur Ashe,he actually underwent several heart bypass surgeries prior to being diagnosed as HIV positive in 1988 and died in 1993,so thats 5 years not 4..and prior to his diagnosis in 1988,he never had AIDS or symptoms,he had heart problems.doctors blame tainted blood transfusions during the multiple heart surgeries as the way he became positive for HIV,but that was never proven either the same way that it was never proven that Kimberly Bergalis was infected by her dentist.
SirHulk1977 9 months ago
@SirHulk1977 No, Arthur Ashe was hospitalised with the AIDS defining illness cerebral toxoplasmosis in 1988. It was only then that he was tested for HIV, to try to determine the cause of the immunosuppression that caused this otherwise rare brain infection. Google: "Arthur Ashe, Tennis Star, is Dead at 49".
eSnout 9 months ago
@eSnout..absolutely,he was hospitalized in 1988 with a serious illness..but keep in mind that he had underwent at least 2 major heart operations years earlier and was on some very serious medications ever since.and no one knows all of the life threatning side effects of prescription drugs..but because of the so called "AIDS defining" disease he had going into the hospital,it was only after he tested positive for HIV that he recieved an AIDS diagnosis.he didnt get an AIDS diagnosis prior to that.
SirHulk1977 9 months ago
@eSnout...he didnt go into the hospital then branded as an AIDS patient because of an illness..if that were the case,most people in the world would be considered an AIDS patient due to the fact that nearly all of the "AIDS defining" diseases are very old diseases that occur in healthy HIV negative people everyday.thats why the HIV test is the first step in determining if a person has AIDS.that along with a low t-cell count and or an aids defining illness is what gives a person an AIDS diagnosis.
SirHulk1977 9 months ago
@eSnout...there are rare examples of a person receiving an AIDS diagnosis without first being tested for HIV.but this atrocity usually happens in gay men who had hallmark AIDS diseases like KS.and i have heard of it happening to women in recent years more than a few times.
SirHulk1977 9 months ago
Why are some people aids- free 20 years after their initial diagnosis? And also are we to believe that so many people in our society are genetically predisposed so as to contract this so called disease?
librazone 11 months ago
@librazone
"aids- free 20 years after their initial diagnosis"
They are called long term non-progressors or elite controllers. We see the same phenomenon in many other diseases as well, including the viruses closely related to HIV (like FIV in cats, which causes Feline AIDS). The common element is genetics. They have certain genetic markers that makes them more resistant to viral replication or entry. I can explain further or refer you to the research papers.
C0nc0rdance 11 months ago
@C0nc0rdance so we are interfering with natural processes. Show me the study which proves the genetic link.
librazone 11 months ago
@C0nc0rdance Dude, I know a guy who is HIV+ and his T-cell count is consistently below 100 for 3 years now. Viral load is through the roof. Does not take ARV's, refused from the start. Never develped any OI. Healthy as a bull. 220 pounds, 50 pounds of pure muscules. Never gets sick. Not a homosexual, recovering drug addict, diognosed with HepB as well, not a hemophiliac. Please explain how is it that he does not progress to AIDS?
iraidushka 11 months ago
@iraidushka
Are you familiar with long-term non-progressors and elite controllers? There are some unusual cases where patients are able to maintain low viral loads for long periods of time. The only exceptional situation with your friend is a high viral load. I couldn't explain it without more info on his case.
AIDS is an immunopathology, HIV is a viral pathogen. A lot of groups downplay the difference, but the HIV is one very large element in a puzzle of immune failure.
C0nc0rdance 11 months ago
Gallo is a fraudulent runt compared to a true scientist like Duesberg. If it weren't for all the scientific conmen supported by the money grubbing pharma and bobble head media such as CNN millions of lives could have been saved from the non disease of AIDS.
librazone 11 months ago
@librazone
There are 221,125 papers on HIV indexed in Medline. Which is more likely: That every HIV researcher in the world for the last 20 years is mistaken, or that anonymous Internet conspiracy websites are spreading misinformation?
The majority of research is done by students and post-docs who are paid <20,000 USD per year. Then there are people like me who work on the other lentiviruses that cause AIDS-like diseases in primates, horses, goats, cats, sheep and cows.
C0nc0rdance 11 months ago
@C0nc0rdance well the fact that so many are involved in Aids research and 30 years later we still dont have an isolated virus would mean that the probability of there being a virus is almost nil. This appears to be somewhat similar to the cancer research issue. I believe that there is quite probably a physical factor in the spread of what is called AIDS. But I also think that researchers are going down the wrong road. I believe the cure for cancer and AIDS is both lifestyle and emotions.
librazone 11 months ago
@librazone
We can isolate virus quite well, thank you, and have been able to for over 20 years. There are 19,066 papers on "HIV isolation" and a scientist can buy HIV isolation kits from multiple vendors. We have electron micrographs and fluorescent microscope images of viruses entering, replicating, and budding from infected cells.
There has never been a cure for any viral disease other than vaccination. Witness Hep C, B, HPV, influenza, etc. An HIV vaccine is nearing.
C0nc0rdance 11 months ago
@C0nc0rdance "There has never been a cure for any viral disease other than vaccination. Witness Hep C, B, HPV, influenza, etc. An HIV vaccine is nearing."
Certainly there is a cure. It is called the human immune system. As far as isolation of HIV there is nothing conclusive. So you can isolate it from the blood of infected people?
librazone 11 months ago
@C0nc0rdance Actually there is a well-established cure for chronic hepatitis C infection, although it is only effective in 50-75% of patients, depending on HCV genotype. It's a combination of pegylated interferon and the nucleoside analog ribavirin. Patients with chronic HCV should discuss this with their gastroenterologist.
eSnout 11 months ago
@eSnout
Glad to see you again, Snout. IFN+ribavirin for HepC GVS2 and 3 could be called a cure, I suppose. The SVR rates are pretty low (10 - 30%).
I hereby amend my statement: "With a few rare exceptions, there are no 'cures' for viral diseases other than vaccination. There are, however, some very successful therapies".
Thanks, Snout.
C0nc0rdance 11 months ago
@librazone
I hope you will learn over time to question the sources of information. If you read something on the Internet or you hear it on the news does not make it true. Apply a little of your skepticism to sources that are not based on factual evidence. Reserve judgement until you have thoroughly explored the credibility of the information.
C0nc0rdance 11 months ago
@C0nc0rdance Oh I do question...constantly. And the probabliity does not fall on the side of an AIDS virus.
librazone 11 months ago
What a pompous bore you are. Did you come from the Reagan cabinet? Your attempt at giving this "disease" based on ignorance credence is extremely lame. But you go right ahead and keep on spreading the word. And I'll keep on spreading mine. The whole thing is bullshit.
bflatfood 11 months ago
Duesberg is a man of logic.
ri58tki69ylo584573ur 11 months ago
@eSnout ...what do think of the documents that Horowitz found which are available even here. There are other documents online about the map/chart of HIV and how it was created. Also, have you heard of Dr. Bill Deagle? Just curious ;-)
putski4 1 year ago
This video is yet another piece of disinformation and distraction from the truth. Everyone should look up Dr. Leonard Horowitz's finding all the documentation that HIV was created as a biological weapon, headed by Dr.Gallo, funded by dept. of defense and sponsored by Clinton. The documents of the virus's gene map and the patented cure is also online if you look for it.This is genocide, profiteering & depopulation by design! Much of what Dr.Duesberg is claiming is true.Also lookup Dr.Bill Deagle.
putski4 1 year ago
@putski4 Actually, Duesberg is one of the scientists that Horowitz accuses of developing HIV in a fiendish genocidal government controlled conspiracy. Look up his "INDICTMENT OF SPECIAL VIRUS CANCER PROGRAM VIROLOGIST DR. PETER DUESBERG". Duesberg is a nutter in his own right, but Horowitz is madder than a bucketful of rattlesnakes.
eSnout 1 year ago
For Clark Baker to be racist and homophobic he shore is trying to expose HIV/AIDS fraud that amazing discriminates against people of color and gays:)
bessemercitychange 1 year ago