what point is she making here? we aren't communists, we live in a hierarchal society and kids in slums understand that. plenty of kids with good parents or a lot of natural talent get out of slums through education, sports, music, etc. it's more so kids without any direction or who are misguided that end up believing that breaking the law is necessary to move up. improving technology makes growth sustainable. also, technology is ultimately designed and produced for the masses, not the elite.
People should read about Socialism before discussing it. Noam Chomsky is a good reference. If you can't sit through him then you have discovered that your mind is incapable of prolonged focus and thereby your logic and opinion is open to flaws.
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@GBS990 One form of it can, since it doesn't involve the initiation of force. Of course this is exactly what Socialism usually stands for; The initation of force for a higher purpose. It is sad, so sad.
What was her actual point? Increase police funding and weapon searches? We help provide infrastructure for their basic needs and then she jumps to a subculture of psychotic phone fetishism? It sounds like she does good work but she either doesn't have the problem defined properly or she's failed to communicate it.
The very rich man in Rio, Eike Batista, reminds me of Maria Ruskin, who in Bonfire of the Vanities kept making the solipsist incantation, "insulate, insulate."
When will we realize that all these systems are systemically connected?
@ToxinalX Facts about life expectancy and income inequality causing crime are ideological? This is how the world works. She is merely offering solutions to problems that it sounds like she has been spending a lifetime trying to fix. As a doctor, how is she able to change the labour laws of a country so that children don't have to handle lead, other then speaking the truth. I dare say that you condemn this as ideological because it fails to justify your own agenda.
@Xwowplaya "Facts about life expectancy and income inequality causing crime are ideological?" That's not what I meant.
The way she talks about these things makes it seem like she think that unless we *all* have the latest of the latest or we *all* have nothing, we are all doomed or at least immoral human beings for allowing any inequality.
Inequality/diversity is an essential part of economics, not just so that some people can become wealthier than others, but so that all society can progress.
@Xwowplaya I don't want people to ignore the truths. Capitalism has it's potential downsides and they can be really bad. But you should allways compare it to the potential downsides of different sorts of collectivist economics.
The kind of corporativism which has grown popular in "civilized" societies create a lot of problems than can never be completely solved.
But increasing capitalism in poor countries will create a lot more wealth (and future health) than there ever was before capitalism.
Yes, inequality is the main issue, but she identifies the potential answer as a multiplier of problems; thus, it is an issue (that the wrong answer is being accepted by children, driving greed-related violence).
@10templetons The way I understand it, she identifies "inequality" (in the form of more wealth) created by capitalism as an issue. That's what I object too. Poverty is bad, but economic diversity is good for everybody.
@ToxinalX ,@Pichounator I still feel as though the violence here can be separated from the capitalist system. Yes, the violence stems from the hope of advancement, but that advancement in turn stems from exposure to the mega-rich upper class. Inequality damages all strata of a society, regardless of the political/economic system it may ascribe to.
@10templetons That is true. But I still see the hope of advancement as an essential part in all human beings and thus I believe it needs to be discussed in a different manner. And we also need at least some economic diversity whatever economic system we prefer in order for it not to collapse. That's only my oppinion of course.
so, i have more than you do; the "fairest" solution would be to take the global GDP and divide it among the world population. so, how many people are going to buy into living at a level that less than $10,000 per year affords? even if i'm willing to do that it only works if everyone is willing to do that and we all know how that is going to work out. so, we're back to where we started, right here...
This one is a UNITED NATIONS / WHO shill telling the US we are living high on the hog and we need to cut it out bcs other countries are jealous and killing each other to be like us. ABSURD CRAP.! ONLY THE UN AND THEIR COMMIES come up with this malarkey.
@Xwowplaya LOL, I can't stand glenn beck. I'm ashamed to admit I even watched 1 minute of his show. But in all seriousness she not making an argument. he is mealy telling us tear jerking stories and blaming cities. I would like to hear more of the speech. I'm sure it is more substantive then this short clip presents.
So this is the case for class warfare, that poor people are stupid and envious and think they can get to the "upper class" by murdering someone else? It's not that the envy is a symptom of another, deeper problem, the envy really is the ultimate moral problem with relative inequality?
Someone tell me why I am wrong because this woman is making me lose faith in humanity.
@migkillertwo shees saying that these people are pushed into that lifestyle. if you were born there, you would be just like them. your info suggests that your a fan of Jesus, didnt you learn empathy from him?
@migkillertwo You fail to understand that "class warfare" started long before the rich neocons started crying about it after OWS. The class warfare as been going on since the 80's and the beginning of trickle down economics destroying the middle class. To think that greed and envy are not part of the "upper class" is ridiculous. The marketing campaigns used to sell products made overseas with lax labour laws employee envy to its maximum. Eg. I get laughed at because I don't own a cell phone
I defy you to produce a single scholarly paper or political speech defending a theory labled "trickle-down economics". Nobody has ever said that the profits and high incomes of the wealthy will just trickle down to the middle class. In fact, it is often the middle class workers, contractors, and vendors who get paid in a business venture BEFORE the capitalist.
@migkillertwo Defy me??? lol first learn the definitions of the words you use secondly, trickle down economics is a broad ideology that dictates an unrestricted marketplace makes everyone rich. Listen to any speech by Regan, Thatcher, Friedman, Paulson etc. to understand TDE. Even today the "job creators" are attempting to hold jobs random for even more tax cuts. Without tax cuts, they say they won't create jobs, thus trickling the money down. This ideology has failed us miserably.
I am extremely skeptical of this greenie and what she says. One occupation of probably a small group of people involving lead batteries in Calcutta = 80%? Load of shit. The people in urban areas of the US live just as long as those in living in the rural areas.
@kroovyandcal What are you talking about? She didn't say that one example is 80%. She said 80% of the people living in urban areas have made a trade-off that's not worth it, and I'm going to guess the majority are not living in the US.
@oihhow The equal sign was to emphasize my point. The people of Rio are doing far better than they used to. This is a very recent development. I expect this trend to continue in the future. I think if they had smartphones in Rio there would be a real epidemiological study would conclude these phone are positively correlated with cancer.
@kroovyandcal the battery industry was an example, she didnt have time to give you a breakdown of every shitty job, and abstract arguments without details isn't as relevant. some balance has to be found.
what point is she making here? we aren't communists, we live in a hierarchal society and kids in slums understand that. plenty of kids with good parents or a lot of natural talent get out of slums through education, sports, music, etc. it's more so kids without any direction or who are misguided that end up believing that breaking the law is necessary to move up. improving technology makes growth sustainable. also, technology is ultimately designed and produced for the masses, not the elite.
EvanGri 3 months ago
People should read about Socialism before discussing it. Noam Chomsky is a good reference. If you can't sit through him then you have discovered that your mind is incapable of prolonged focus and thereby your logic and opinion is open to flaws.
johnpotter26 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Too many people
johnpotter26 3 months ago
Oh my god. You cut it off. Great going. Now I'd have to pay you money to hear the end of the sentence, huh?
TheLonelyImmortal 3 months ago
@TheLonelyImmortal Our apologies, it looks like there was an encoding error with this video. The rest of the sentence is "about what we're doing." All Compass Summit full programs are available for free on our website (link is in the video description). Thanks, FORAtv
ForaTv 3 months ago
Was the note signed by el presidente?
Socalism never works - period.
GBS990 3 months ago
@GBS990 One form of it can, since it doesn't involve the initiation of force. Of course this is exactly what Socialism usually stands for; The initation of force for a higher purpose. It is sad, so sad.
ToxinalX 3 months ago
why b+w..?
670Kiester 3 months ago
meh
Ramsez 3 months ago
What was her actual point? Increase police funding and weapon searches? We help provide infrastructure for their basic needs and then she jumps to a subculture of psychotic phone fetishism? It sounds like she does good work but she either doesn't have the problem defined properly or she's failed to communicate it.
Philosification 3 months ago
The very rich man in Rio, Eike Batista, reminds me of Maria Ruskin, who in Bonfire of the Vanities kept making the solipsist incantation, "insulate, insulate."
When will we realize that all these systems are systemically connected?
2bsirius 3 months ago
So much of what she says is just pure ideological rubbish unfortunately.
ToxinalX 3 months ago
@ToxinalX Facts about life expectancy and income inequality causing crime are ideological? This is how the world works. She is merely offering solutions to problems that it sounds like she has been spending a lifetime trying to fix. As a doctor, how is she able to change the labour laws of a country so that children don't have to handle lead, other then speaking the truth. I dare say that you condemn this as ideological because it fails to justify your own agenda.
Xwowplaya 3 months ago
@Xwowplaya "Facts about life expectancy and income inequality causing crime are ideological?" That's not what I meant.
The way she talks about these things makes it seem like she think that unless we *all* have the latest of the latest or we *all* have nothing, we are all doomed or at least immoral human beings for allowing any inequality.
Inequality/diversity is an essential part of economics, not just so that some people can become wealthier than others, but so that all society can progress.
ToxinalX 3 months ago
@Xwowplaya I don't want people to ignore the truths. Capitalism has it's potential downsides and they can be really bad. But you should allways compare it to the potential downsides of different sorts of collectivist economics.
The kind of corporativism which has grown popular in "civilized" societies create a lot of problems than can never be completely solved.
But increasing capitalism in poor countries will create a lot more wealth (and future health) than there ever was before capitalism.
ToxinalX 3 months ago
@ToxinalX she identifies inequality as an issue, not capitalism :s
10templetons 3 months ago
@10templetons 3:34-4:14
Yes, inequality is the main issue, but she identifies the potential answer as a multiplier of problems; thus, it is an issue (that the wrong answer is being accepted by children, driving greed-related violence).
Pichounator 3 months ago
@10templetons The way I understand it, she identifies "inequality" (in the form of more wealth) created by capitalism as an issue. That's what I object too. Poverty is bad, but economic diversity is good for everybody.
ToxinalX 3 months ago
@ToxinalX ,@Pichounator I still feel as though the violence here can be separated from the capitalist system. Yes, the violence stems from the hope of advancement, but that advancement in turn stems from exposure to the mega-rich upper class. Inequality damages all strata of a society, regardless of the political/economic system it may ascribe to.
10templetons 3 months ago
@10templetons That is true. But I still see the hope of advancement as an essential part in all human beings and thus I believe it needs to be discussed in a different manner. And we also need at least some economic diversity whatever economic system we prefer in order for it not to collapse. That's only my oppinion of course.
ToxinalX 3 months ago
so, i have more than you do; the "fairest" solution would be to take the global GDP and divide it among the world population. so, how many people are going to buy into living at a level that less than $10,000 per year affords? even if i'm willing to do that it only works if everyone is willing to do that and we all know how that is going to work out. so, we're back to where we started, right here...
desirefirst 3 months ago
This one is a UNITED NATIONS / WHO shill telling the US we are living high on the hog and we need to cut it out bcs other countries are jealous and killing each other to be like us. ABSURD CRAP.! ONLY THE UN AND THEIR COMMIES come up with this malarkey.
turbomango 3 months ago
@turbomango What the fuck are you talking about?
BrandurJustinussen 3 months ago
@turbomango there's no us and them you retard open your eyes.
olitraiga 3 months ago
@olitraiga Speak for yourself ignoramus. Don't try to push your blind spots on others.
turbomango 3 months ago
@turbomango idiot
olitraiga 3 months ago
@olitraiga AHAHAHAAA!!! Why? Because I don't agree with your ignorant opinion?? eh? You're a joke.
turbomango 3 months ago
NO, they did NOT go to cities to "live longer". They went to cities bcs THAT is where the WORK was.
turbomango 3 months ago
sounds like she's using pity as an argument for...can't figure out what.
alita589 3 months ago
@alita589 If you can't figure out her argument go back to watching Glenn Beck video's. He can oversimplify things for you.
Xwowplaya 3 months ago
@Xwowplaya LOL, I can't stand glenn beck. I'm ashamed to admit I even watched 1 minute of his show. But in all seriousness she not making an argument. he is mealy telling us tear jerking stories and blaming cities. I would like to hear more of the speech. I'm sure it is more substantive then this short clip presents.
alita589 3 months ago
Finally, someone speaking some sense.
ucvessel 3 months ago
....just more motivation to enjoy my smartphone and overpriced clothes
superoriginalname 3 months ago
Not much substance here.
greenghost2008 3 months ago
Well said.
Onegod360 3 months ago
So this is the case for class warfare, that poor people are stupid and envious and think they can get to the "upper class" by murdering someone else? It's not that the envy is a symptom of another, deeper problem, the envy really is the ultimate moral problem with relative inequality?
Someone tell me why I am wrong because this woman is making me lose faith in humanity.
migkillertwo 3 months ago
@migkillertwo This isn't the "case" for class warfare. She was simply pointing out that issue.
oihhow 3 months ago
@migkillertwo What's this class warfare bullshit? I thought we got rid of classes when we all told the UK to go jump?
shraka 3 months ago
@migkillertwo shees saying that these people are pushed into that lifestyle. if you were born there, you would be just like them. your info suggests that your a fan of Jesus, didnt you learn empathy from him?
aSheeple 3 months ago
@migkillertwo You fail to understand that "class warfare" started long before the rich neocons started crying about it after OWS. The class warfare as been going on since the 80's and the beginning of trickle down economics destroying the middle class. To think that greed and envy are not part of the "upper class" is ridiculous. The marketing campaigns used to sell products made overseas with lax labour laws employee envy to its maximum. Eg. I get laughed at because I don't own a cell phone
Xwowplaya 3 months ago
"trickle down economics"
I defy you to produce a single scholarly paper or political speech defending a theory labled "trickle-down economics". Nobody has ever said that the profits and high incomes of the wealthy will just trickle down to the middle class. In fact, it is often the middle class workers, contractors, and vendors who get paid in a business venture BEFORE the capitalist.
migkillertwo 3 months ago
@migkillertwo Defy me??? lol first learn the definitions of the words you use secondly, trickle down economics is a broad ideology that dictates an unrestricted marketplace makes everyone rich. Listen to any speech by Regan, Thatcher, Friedman, Paulson etc. to understand TDE. Even today the "job creators" are attempting to hold jobs random for even more tax cuts. Without tax cuts, they say they won't create jobs, thus trickling the money down. This ideology has failed us miserably.
Xwowplaya 3 months ago
Of course, her message will be ignored.
But at least she'll be able to say "I told you so."
ONQproductions 3 months ago
Calcutta sucks and pretty much always has.
RetSquid 3 months ago
I am extremely skeptical of this greenie and what she says. One occupation of probably a small group of people involving lead batteries in Calcutta = 80%? Load of shit. The people in urban areas of the US live just as long as those in living in the rural areas.
kroovyandcal 3 months ago
@kroovyandcal What are you talking about? She didn't say that one example is 80%. She said 80% of the people living in urban areas have made a trade-off that's not worth it, and I'm going to guess the majority are not living in the US.
oihhow 3 months ago
@oihhow The equal sign was to emphasize my point. The people of Rio are doing far better than they used to. This is a very recent development. I expect this trend to continue in the future. I think if they had smartphones in Rio there would be a real epidemiological study would conclude these phone are positively correlated with cancer.
kroovyandcal 3 months ago
@kroovyandcal the battery industry was an example, she didnt have time to give you a breakdown of every shitty job, and abstract arguments without details isn't as relevant. some balance has to be found.
aSheeple 3 months ago
@kroovyandcal "The people in urban areas of the US live just as long as those in living in the rural areas."
What, exactly, are you basing this on?
Skindoggiedog 3 months ago
@Skindoggiedog health.ny.gov/statistics/cancer/registry/pdf/volume1.pdf
kroovyandcal 3 months ago