Christianity doesn't know morality. Morality is doing what's best for others, even if it doesn't benefit yourself. Christianity teaches not only in favor of or against things that are amoral (sometimes immoral, yet still condoned by the Bible), but it also teaches to do good things for the favor of your soul. That's not morality, that's self-serving agenda.
The bible say bad stuff, but we don' t take everything literally, most of us know that the bible was written thousands of years ago, and not by God. Or else, most of us would killing people working on sundays. Some people read the bible but we don' t take EVERYTHING literally. Being Christians means following Jesus techings. There were Christians before the bible. Stop labelling us as idiots, it is discriminating. Most Christians do not bash atheists. I have 2 atheist friends ang 1 gay friend.
and what about the morals of this fu$^ing God - have christians read the bible???????? its a horrible story of 1st born babies being killed - fetuses being ripped out of bellies, and virgins being given away for male enjoyment- you cannot believe this shit and say you follow the teachings of jesus christ
i will never understand that argument- are you kidding me - i do not need a bible stuck up my ass to know how to be a good kind human being!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how fucked are christians?? i feel so sorry for them - they have no faith in themselves - but then all my sympathy goes away when i realize they do such horrible things and go to church to be forgiven - my god what crazy loons!!!!
If the biblical god asks you to sacrifice your own child you should go find an iron chariot. They're his kryptonite according to Judges 1:19
(And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron)
So get yourself an iron chariot then and beat him over the head with it!
people pick and choose whether god is loving and forgiving or angry and vengeful. i asked a rastafari if he would kill his kid if jahweh commanded it and he refused to answer.he would only tell me god is love and mention science-proven miracles. i asked how adam,eve,cain,and abel populated the earth and he brought up the shroud of turin. i would never hurt a child or anyone, and it's not because some invisible mystic is watching me through his crystal ball. morals exist, souls/gods/ghost don't
The message of the film "Kingdom of Heaven": "A king may move a man, but the soul belongs to the man." (good film IMO even though it's about christianity and the crusades)
No matter what the authority figure tells you, you are in charge of your morals and if you are told to do what you think is wrong, then it is your duty to disobey.
Besides, I do good because I think that good is to be done, not because I expect something in return or because I fear punishment.
Why is it the christian proposition that without god we would all go around raping and killing because there is no consequences? No one thinks that long term. Long term being after you die. We all act based on now, five minutes from now and later. Its a social contract if you want to look at it mechanically. If you consider that we have a brain, its our brain that makes morality innate, or / and logical and emotional as well.
It's as simple as this we as adults should not be worried so much about building a better nicer afterlife for ourselves instead we should put all and I mean ALL of our focus on building a better world and better future for our children/the next generation. Because at the end of the day we only have death to look forward to while our children and their children and so on have to live with the world that we left them.
It's all well and good to debate these issues but there must be an end game. The end game is the destruction of indoctrination and the manifestation of critical thinking in its place. The real question is how to do this. That is why I find this show to be an exercise in futility
@honeyblossom17 well it is supposed that everything god does is perfect and so he couldnt instruct something evil (but yeah he needs to have a sense of morality)
@politicoochie09 Exactly. Therefore the correct response from Abraham would be “God, my lord, I know thee to well to believe that you would demand a human sacrifice. Therefore either thou are testing me or thou are the devil in disguise.”
But had that been Abraham’s response, God’s response back could just be “How dare you doubt me!? Now burn!” As his response actually was in 1 king 20:35-36. When gods command atrocities, you’re fucked no matter what they do. That’s why it’s an immoral system.
Religion, in any form, is an evil crutch that prevents us as human beings from accomplishing so much in the name of science.
The worst thing I hate about religion is that it has a never ending vicious cycle. Children are forced to believe by their parents. Religion prays on the ignorant, the weak, the depraved, and the desperate.
This video's title should be Religion in general and not Christianity, Islam is no better.
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You guys are lost except in areas where you get to pull scriptures out of context or words out of context for anywhere and just use them for how you want to applicate. I am sorry the story of Isaac you are trying to entrap that man with is relative to what was going on in application with normal practice of the time. A natural law that it follows, no matter. God was testing which way Isaac would go.
As you have never even taken a history course on theology. Study something in its context.
- "the story of Isaac ... is relative to what was going on in application with normal practice of the time."
The whole Old Testament is based on the knowledge and the moral values of that time. That only goes to show that gods are never much wiser than the people who make them up.
- "God was testing which way Isaac would go."
So much for omniscience. Don't gods have more important things to wonder about?
@mamaschristmasbunny "Testing" Isaac by ordering him to kill his son? Wow... What a wonderful god that is! A PERFECT example of morality.
Hey, let's all take parenting tips and life advice from the guy who raised his own son up as a human sacrifice, and who "tests" people by ordering that they kill their kids, as well.
@mamaschristmasbunny How can you justify a parent EVER even thinking of killing their child because god said so? It doesn't matter if it was just a test. Abraham didn't know that! What sort of omniscient god HAS to test faith? If he KNOWS EVERYTHING then he should know if someone is truly faithful or not without a test.
How can you judge morality if the moral arbiter, your god, behaves immorally? How can you justify your morals then?
BTW, Christians cherry pick more than anyone else.
So at some point - SOME POINT - stoning unruly children and OWNING other people as property was the moral way to go??
What YOU have are ridiculous excuses for your Book of nonsense. And because you - most probably - are a decent human being, you need to come up with crazy excuses for it, because you refuse to accept that the Biblical god you claim to believe in is so evil.
@mamaschristmasbunny Why can you not look for God ouside the bible? I cannot believe that the Creator of the universe can be found in the pages of one ancient book. You're kind of limiting God in this way. I mean the bible stories are just puerile, primitive garbage. To give these stories the title of the "word of God" is insulting really.
As for the crucifixion, it smacks of ancient superstition. Why should the creator need to be appeased by the shedding of blood?
I hear alot about this famous "context", its getting tiresome, in what context is it morally correct to own another human being as property for instance?
One day to find where these people grab their information from and how they derive their exegesis. In the scientific world most of us do come up with some at least face value proof or be it circumstantial evidence for why we believe what we believe in instance. In most shows these guys never show even that kind.
I would like their scietific breakdown, for example like on how 2 steel buildings collapse at 9/11, by jet fuel, aluminum impact, of steel. Explain by using known laws of physics, etc.
@mamaschristmasbunny Throwing in some 9/11 bullshit is a HUGE red herring. Asking regular people who are NOT scientists for a "scietific [sic] breakdown" is fatuous and beside the point.
Here's where your logical fallacy fucked you up.
Atheists have no burden of proof since they are not making any claims. They are REJECTING claims of religions. Nothing more.
You also might consider proof reading your comments before posting. That was mostly gibberish.
@mamaschristmasbunny WTC'S fell due to the planes impacts damaging the support beams, the protective coating around the beams were removed with the impact with exposed the beams to fire. The fires become out of control and soften the steel where it looses its strength and the structure fails.
Cultural relativety because remember morality has no essential provision. You do good because you do good. You do bad because you do bad.
That is it.
Nothing provided and nothing else invited, it is one ego talking to another ego there. We are in a state of figuring on our own what good is, and what bad is here.
Evolving from that. Because Atheists believe in the theory of evolving from creature or seaweed or swamp gas or fish (like R.Dawkins theory). Our morality
You're almost right with your moral determination there. In the course of things, good people will do good things and bad people will do bad things. However, if you want good people to do bad things, you need religion. It DOES inspire otherwise morally good people to acts of atrocity.
As for evolution, you really don't have a clue. You haven't studied jack shit about it and it shows.
What's so shocking is that the 3 monotheistic religions share the same founding moment; the depraved acts of Abraham. Abraham made it crystal clear; with his God there is NOTHING that is too depraved and that was indeed the basis of the entire covenant. He and his crazy family founded a new religion. Abe had a son with his slave, then his wife, then chucked out the former. Lot's wife died mysteriously and was blamed for it, he raped both his own daughters and blamed them... WTF
You can't make blanket statements about groups of people! Catholics believe in free will, that's not total submission to a greater religion or being. Deism is not an atheistic belief but gives it's believers complete control over their life.
@trumpetmane You have a massive contradiction here " Catholics believe in free will" the teaching is that you believe in god or you burn in hell, there is no free will there. You can make blanket statements if a group beleieves that homersexuals should be stoned for example then i have no respect if you choose to follow or believe in something then you should be judged for that
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I live in a neighborhood of Seattle that is anti-religion, mostly atheist, mostly homosexual, mostly counter-culture (actually, hipster). The ridiculous thing about people like Dawkins saying that atheists are gentle moral creatures is that it's simply false. No human beings are gentle moral creatures. If atheists were, I don't understand why they continually steal bags from my store just because I don't have surveillance. Caught two atheists shoplifting and handed them over to seattle police.
@aloh86 Ok, and the fact that they did such is not a result of their atheism, religious people commit such acts too, the difference is that the people that did such a thing don't have a hypocritical moral system which they ignore anyway.
...and that makes it OK to steal since morality is relative? It's ok for the two shoplifters to justify their stealing? Maybe they needed it because they didn't have much money...but they REALLY needed it? Does that make it ok? Let's say they did have a moral code (like Sam Harris doesn't believe in relativism)...on what basis do they live by that code? Just because they FEEL it's right? And do share, if not atheism, then what? As I said, NO (meaning all) human being is moral.
@aloh86 When did I say that? Who said they needed it? Maybe they were just being punks. No, there are greater, legal laws in place that people are to follow, and not following them can have consequences as stated in this video. These were guidelines that were created by human beings. I don't speak on behalf of all Atheists, but one moral advantage they do have is that they don't subscribe to an absurd, contradictory dogma which leads people to commit atrocities in its name.
@aloh86 When did I say that? Who said they needed it? Maybe they were just being punks. No, there are greater, legal laws in place that people are to follow, and not following them can have consequences as stated in this video. These were guidelines that were created by human beings. I don't speak on behalf of all Atheists, but one moral advantage they do have is that they don't subscribe to an absurd, contradictory dogma which leads people to commit atrocities in its name.
@11iluvpurple: Few people actually need religion to think/be morally good. You only need good observation skills and empathy for that. Religion only helps people who have problems with caring about what is morally good (which is a lot of people, including me). Other animals don't have quite the same dilemma, unless we give them one.
A quicker reply to this caller's question would be to simply examine the correlation between crime/immorality rates and belief and religiousness in different societies.
The idea that religious conviction actually keeps people morally in line isn't really borne out in reality anyway.
@nljensen YES!!!!!! me too!!!!! I've had almost every essay this year hijacked at some point by watching Hitchens, Dawkins, HArris and these guys. I'm not alone!!!!!!
@sum137 Why is it misleading? They clearly state that Christianity has no morality, it has absolute obedience as a substitute for morality. So the title is correct, it fits what this is video is all about. You might not like it, so fight it with arguments instead of calling the opponent... disdained.
@Ranokian: Per your question, it is misleading to insist that morality and obedience (to anyone) are necessarily at odds with each other. The hosts beg the question by presuming that God would request an immoral action, and flat out deny (via the title) the conciliar nature of the Church that the Bible records (e.g. in Acts) Christ establishing on Earth. This slight of hand trick is obviously intended to provoke, and warrants disdain.
@sum137 The host stated that Christians have swapped morality for obedience. Obedience is not a morality in itself. That is what the host is saying. And yes, you make a valid point about morality and obedience, but that is not the issue here . And while some churches may have conciliar nature, I'm not sure Christianity itself has a nature like that. I don't 100% agree with the host, but a believer who is willing to kill his own son, causes a strong reaction. So no provocation on the host side.
@Ranokian: Correct. The hosts trick an unwitting person to mistake morality for obedience, and use this slight of hand trick to assert the absurd: that Christianity has no morality -- despite the obvious fact that Christian morality pervades so many institutions and charities around the world. Clearly disdainful means.
@sum137 The host stated that Christians have swapped morality for obedience. Obedience is not a morality in itself."
But obedience dictates one's morality. It's the same with parenting, if a parent tells a child what is right and wrong, the child is going to follow. Stealing is bad, child doesn't do it; sharing is good, child does it.
The Vatican/Bible works for many as an authority figure, living life by it's laws without question. That's scary.
@sum137 BTW these 'laws' are manipulated by the people at the top. For all you know, Christians aren't following the supposed 'Word of God' at all. People spent 2,000 years changing it for their own means: slavery is alright; murdering 'infidels' is fine; slaughtering natives for their land is great - it's for the good of Christianity. Christian morality is based on conquest.
@sum137 Some of the most devoted Christians throughout history have also been the ones committing the most dreadful acts imaginable. If God will absolve them (which according to the holy book manipulated by their forefathers, he will), it's all fine. Absolute devotion to anything is dangerous, especially to something that holds no truth.
@Lukege15: Please refrain from confusing the issue with opportunists (e.g. televangelists), as you have just elaborately listed for us. Knowledgeable Christians, BTW, agree that "absolute devotion to anything is dangerous." What are you doing to help people who confuse these two issues, other than condemning them? This is what I consider disdainful (i.e. morally wrong).
@sum137 Another problem is that religion has dominated our culture for so long that it effects everything - especially law. Which means that secular and 'Leftist' thought can swiftly be considered as wrong, 'un-American' in some cases. Which means immoral acts can actually be perceived as moral because Christianity says so.
Capitalism by its very nature is immoral (some might say evil), but Christianity did its part to indoctrinate the masses into believing otherwise.
@sum137 If you dispute my points about capitalism, just think about Sharia Law. From the outside, you can see its faults, but the devout Muslims blindly follow - believing women should be oppressed and certain ethnic groups suppressed - because it's Allah's will. Christians face the same problem.
@Lukege15: BTW, your "some of the most devoted..." barb applies to all philosophies -- including atheists. Your parenting illustration, despite its flaws, is more on target. But even in this example, it is still misleading to insist that morality and obedience (to anyone) are necessarily at odds with each other. It constitutes begging the question, flawed logic. And baiting people to confuse the two issues in order to merely condemn and insult them is disdainful.
@sum137 "BTW, your "some of the most devoted..." barb applies to all philosophies -- including atheists."
Atheism isn't a philosophy... it's a rejection of them...
"And baiting people to confuse the two issues in order to merely condemn and insult them is disdainful."
Baiting? This guy was clearly crazy. Just because he's a Christian doesn't mean you have to defend him. If an Atheist was acting like that 'gentleman' was, I can guarantee I would not try to associate myself with him.
@Lukege15: "This guy was clearly crazy. Just because he's a Christian doesn't mean you have to defend him. If an Atheist was acting like that 'gentleman' was, I can guarantee I would not try to associate myself with him."
-> Simply disdainful... Yet it partly explains why you assert that atheism isn't a philosophy, and fell into your own philosophical trap regarding morality. And what is your point regarding capitalism? Are you insinuating that it's a Christian ideal? And what same problem?
@sum137 "Yet it partly explains why you assert that atheism isn't a philosophy, and fell into your own philosophical trap regarding morality"
Ummm, no.
Second point: Christianity and capitalism is inter-linked. Ask yourself how else the capitalist world can imbed into it's inhabitants that equality is wrong (communism)? The Church justifies poverty because in 'Heaven' they will be rich... apparently; it also tells us that the oppressed and exploited are there because God places us into society.
@sum137 Also, I'm shocked that you don't know about Calvinism's part in capitalism taking place. You are a little less educated than you like to believe. No Christianity = No capitalism.
@sum137 It's complete pseudo-morality. The same God who endorses the murder of thousands of men, women, and children then commands that such actions are sins. All in one book. What a great role model for his followers, don't yah think?
umm if god was proven to exist and runs the world and he had hell over me and he told me to do it... i would do it. I don't think any for of pride is worth eternity, it would be wrong but oh well.
I think it's cute that xians say they'd kill their kid if god said so-- it's like people saying "Well, if *I* saw the person fall into the river, I'd jump in and save them," or, "If [dead child unwanted by mother] were still alive, *I'd* adopt her!"... it's something they will never have to prove, but it makes them look noble to claim it.
Instead of asking theists "If god told you to kill someone...", why don't they just pick one of the numerous bible verses instructing murder and ask if the theists would do it?
when i was christian i had morals that didnt fit the bible . Christians have morality, they often dont read the bible and assume their beliefs match that of the bible. i knew the bibles code of morality and that is what helped change my view. if Christians had bible morality we would of all been genocided (including almost all Christians). it would be impossible for any form of culture to coexist with the actual beliefs. before the Jesus argument i get, he didnt come to abolish anything.
@muaythaijunky I know you didn't argue against this and I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. The hosts don't say christians can't have morals or do morally right things, but their morality does not come from the bible.You can use the bible to teach people about morality I guess, but you need to nitpick in order to do it and it impedes on the development of a personal morality which flawed and human as it may be, is still far superior to that of the bible.
Why can't you people just realize that Santa Clause exist!?!? He speaks to me through my heart, and shows me signs for which direction he wants me to go! There is a really old book that says he's real! Why isn't this enough for you!?!? When I asked him for stuff he would give it to me!!! What other evidence do you need?!!!
funny that no christian ever said "no i would not do that". god would never ask that of me lol...nevermind that he did several times in the bible, and even went through with it. stupid sheeple
Just more proof that HUMAN Morals are BETTER IN EVERY WAY than Religious Morals.... Plain and simple... stupid people are stupid, help stop their ignorance!!
One very clear negative consequence of religion is that people are driven to ask, "Without religion, why not just go murder, steal, rape, etc?"
Religion masks the existence of interrelationships, how they work, and why they're important for our survival and well-being. This is a bad thing. Morally, it makes us children, perpetually.
@joorailkken To your two questions. 1: Just because a majority agree on something doesn't mean it's the right thing. 2: America was founded by Deists, not Theists. The founding fathers didn't believe in the god of the bible, just in 'a' god existing somewhere. But anything to do with organized religion in America is, yes, based on the logic of schizophrenic idiots.
@henf5671 Ahhh, cursing, #1 signbof unintelligence, alog with ad-homonym attacks bringing up the rear. Have you even read the Bible? Many of modern civilizations ethics were first presented in the bible.
@DrewMC36 Shitty spelling/typing is a much greater sign of unintelligence than cursing or ad hominem attacks.
However, having just read the comment you were responding to... yeah that guy's dumb.
But still, the fact that the bible happened to get some aspects of ethics right doesn't really undo all the ridiculous things that are supposed to be punished by death. Wearing two different materials at once, planting the wrong crops next to each other, working on Sunday, disobeying parents, etc.
@Kritter42 Yes, there are plenty of things that the Bible says are punishable by death. That is in the Old testament, then Jesus came and said that those rules, along with the sacrifice of animals, don't have to be followed anymore. I should understand that trying to convert someone over the internet to Christianity, just like trying to make someone understand atheism, is very futile and can only be done in person. Anyways, I hope you have a good day, and God Bless!
@DrewMC36 Sure, but the New Testament still has many absurd rules in it. Like "If a man looks upon a woman with lust, he has already committed adultery in his heart." As if any human being can control whether they feel lust. And there's staying away from women while they're menstruating, or the one mandating haircuts for men. They might have taken away the capital punishment but the rules are still absurd on their face. But I respect your right to your religion, and I hope it brings you comfort.
@DrewMC36 If you believe in the ten commandments, then you can't discard anything of the old testament. As the ten commandments came from the old one. Or are you saying the ten commandments (actually, there are like 62) are all to be thrown out?
What causes people not to want to hurt other people? Empathy. Something you don't need Christianity to have. I'm not Christian and I could never take a life. I don't want to cause anyone to suffer. If somebody in charge of me told me to do it, I'd run away from it. Obviously whatever that is is a monster. And in the bible he does slaughter innocent children. Sure lets all go worship this God that slaughters innocent kids.
I think that the guy only said he'd kill his kid out of pride. Going back on his own assertion that god is the ultimate authority and should be obeyed without question would show that he is not "keeping it real" and might, as a consequence, ruin his "street cred". I also think he only got angry and called Matt a bitch because he realized how awful he must have sounded when he said that he'd kill his kid. Matt made him look stupid and he resented that fact.
@WorldBibleUnion454 Thereats of something magical happening ? Skydaddy gonna punish unbelievers with magic ? Or, delusional people unable to reason... I think the latter
@WorldBibleUnion454 I don't have an "ideal" concept. My concept of a sky daddy would be (not IS, because I dont believe in ghosts) of a better father than any living one. Only psycho dads would do the things the biblical character does.
@WorldBibleUnion454 First of all, how do you know? Because its written in the bible? Do think or do you know? Humans don't get their morals from the bible or any other "sacred" book; which are actually immoral. I don't pray, I wish for good things to happen to people. Since I don't pray for your god and lack belief in him, he's going to burn me in his torture chamber, that's why he's a bully. If the biblical character actually exists I would still not worship him. Not my concept of a deity.
Ok, Im an atheist, but if it's religion that prevents this and other fucking stupid psychos from committing murder, I'm actually glad for religion, and mind control, for the weak and insane. Actually through religion is that lands were conquered, and prevented their people from insurrection. Still, the whole concept is atrocious.
Do good,and have Jesus in you having life eternal. Do bad,and have death of the soul. Life of the soul should be the better choice don't you think? This will eliminate humans jailing humans with humans judging themselves The stakes are eternal,and the jailer is throwing his soul away trying to act like God,and Satan wants to act like God through men. The way to be saved is to repent,and be right with your brother.
You are right we have to live with one another in our society,and Gods word says just that. love whoever as yourself, and not to judge another judging yourself. Religion however causes humans to judge one another,and that creates conflict, and bondage withing the religious community, creating persecutors separation,and conflict against all kinds of sexualities making all kinds of laws. Gods law is, 1 John 4 ,12,
If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
@kobidobidog God says: Worship me through Jesus or suffer eternally in hell. No loving father would do that, ergo God is not loving, ergo God is not good, ergo God is evil, ergo God is Satan, ergo Religion is evil...
The title of this video is bogus. There was nothing in there about Christianity... And in an atheistic / materialistic universe, there is no such thing as good, evil, or morality, as even Richard Dawkins has stated. Matter does not possess those qualities. Morality can only exist if there is God, consciousness, mind; all the things that don't exist in a material universe. So an atheist talking about right or wrong or morality as if it exists is a hypocrite, and not making sense.
@Elhardt Social morality is an easy concept to grasp for anyone inclined so. Christian morality is to slaughter opposing religion followers, stone unruly children, rape beautiful women to force them into marriage, and enslave your fellow man. Christian morality is an abomination to intelligent rational humans...
@ExcaliburClan God has to be in each of us to love each of us. That is what he wants us to do for not to do that will not protect us when his light shines. God has kept that light from shining because stubborn humans still want to be like Satan having policemen put humans in bondage, condemning humans to death, military armies killing, and persecuting sexualities. Few love like Jesus. See why God in his mercy has not come back yet spiting the heavens extinguishing the stars when he comes back?
@ExcaliburClan Social morality as it is called is godless ignoring the heart by not loving whoever, and giving evil for evil, and by not being tenderhearted forgiving each other even as God has forgive you. That is in the king James bible. God wants us to be tenderhearted with each other, and when we are the things we complain about will vanish like the darkness when the sun shines.
@ExcaliburClan Jesus never stoned anyone. How come humans can't grasp that fact? To therefore stone is to be an enemy of Jesus, and an enemy of each other. Those religions who made the word Rape are polluting your minds to think sex is bad, and causing humans to stampede like wild animals against humans giving more, and more accusations. Jesus is forgiving. Be forgiving no matter what,and humans will have a soul ready for better things than what this physical body knows of at this point in time.
i would never harm my kids , not for a king , not for a fantasy god, and even not to a god if i knew he was real and stood before me aiming with a lightning bold at me while satan opens the door to hell./.
Damn i feel bad for that guys children,living with someone who has no problem killing you if god or a sign he interpreted was from god told him to.If you are willing to kill for god how does that make you moral?Makes you a disgusting human being in my opinion.Funny when you get right down to it Christianity and Fundamentalist Islam really have a'lot alike when it comes down to what people will do for there god.
It's just an outdated and vicious bronze age one that recommends stoning for just about everything from eating shellfish to picking up sticks on saturday.
@Cottonmouth899 And im saying it does NOT teach morals. Morals are learned through common sense, upbringings, and man-made laws. I showed the results of people trying to learn morals from a book that is thousands of years old. The holy bible needs to have a rated "R" age limit. Showing hatred to kids like stoning disobedient children, silencing women, killing gays, should be illegal. And yes, people still do them things. Heres another Philadelphia example last week.
@Cottonmouth899 2 weeks ago, 21 priests in Philadelphia were removed on sexual abuse allegations. 3 are charged with rapping a young boy that they passed around among themselves and a catholic school teacher. They are far from the first, and they wont be the last. Between that, the Vatican, the hundreds of other priests charged with rape, the Phelps, Ted Haggard, Mike Murdock, Peter Popoff, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, etc etc. That is NOT teaching morals of any kind. And this caller shows it.
"Nobody to answer to....Can do anything we want...Not care about anybody..."
Well if you're gonna say that to atheists, why not also to gods? Your god doesn't have anyone to answer to, so anything goes eh? So it's "all good" to command your minions to rape and kill those whoe don't believe, "it's all good". That caller is frikkin dumb, as is anyone else who says they need a mafia boss to control their actions- you're not moral if you need punishment of hell to not do bad.
One of the commandment is "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" So its PAINFULLY IRONIC that GOD himself actually orders moses to not let anyone touch the foot of Mount Sinai or they "SHALL BE PUT TO DEATH" specifically by arrow and stoning JUST before he endowed---so God decided to force his followers to break his own commandment before he even bestowed it upon them!!!!?? thats just fucking rediculous END OF STORY
@DrewMC36 We can do an experiment to find out the true source of the bible.
Hypothesis: If Yahweh is made up, we would likely see him reflecting the traits of those who made him up, namely ancient Near-Eastern male tribespersons.
Okay, now read the bible. Does Yahweh behave this way? Ohh yes. Anger, ultra-authoritarianism, sexism/male-dominance, bitterness, imperfect creative ability, temper tantrums, violent tendencies, etc., are the attributes of Yahweh.
Disgusting to think that If that caller heard a "voice in his head" he would kill his kid.
LogicalStatements3 1 week ago
4:55 RAAAAAHHH!!!
seanmathews009 1 week ago
Epic video
Triipticz 1 week ago
Christianity doesn't know morality. Morality is doing what's best for others, even if it doesn't benefit yourself. Christianity teaches not only in favor of or against things that are amoral (sometimes immoral, yet still condoned by the Bible), but it also teaches to do good things for the favor of your soul. That's not morality, that's self-serving agenda.
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The bible say bad stuff, but we don' t take everything literally, most of us know that the bible was written thousands of years ago, and not by God. Or else, most of us would killing people working on sundays. Some people read the bible but we don' t take EVERYTHING literally. Being Christians means following Jesus techings. There were Christians before the bible. Stop labelling us as idiots, it is discriminating. Most Christians do not bash atheists. I have 2 atheist friends ang 1 gay friend.
saramichealhpt 1 month ago
and what about the morals of this fu$^ing God - have christians read the bible???????? its a horrible story of 1st born babies being killed - fetuses being ripped out of bellies, and virgins being given away for male enjoyment- you cannot believe this shit and say you follow the teachings of jesus christ
freedom1234573 2 months ago
i will never understand that argument- are you kidding me - i do not need a bible stuck up my ass to know how to be a good kind human being!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how fucked are christians?? i feel so sorry for them - they have no faith in themselves - but then all my sympathy goes away when i realize they do such horrible things and go to church to be forgiven - my god what crazy loons!!!!
freedom1234573 2 months ago
If the biblical god asks you to sacrifice your own child you should go find an iron chariot. They're his kryptonite according to Judges 1:19
(And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron)
So get yourself an iron chariot then and beat him over the head with it!
TheSkunkCat 2 months ago
I think near the end he's implying that "we don't live forever, so it's okay to kill"
isn't that what those EBIL ATHEIST believe? 9_9
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The Nuremburg defense was wrong for the Nazis but right for the Christians?
jcgadfly 2 months ago
@jcgadfly The Nazis were Christians...go figure.
TheHigherVoltage 1 month ago
@TheHigherVoltage I have often said that if some Christians didn't have a double standard they'd have no standard at all.
jcgadfly 1 month ago
@jcgadfly heh so true.
TheHigherVoltage 1 month ago
people pick and choose whether god is loving and forgiving or angry and vengeful. i asked a rastafari if he would kill his kid if jahweh commanded it and he refused to answer.he would only tell me god is love and mention science-proven miracles. i asked how adam,eve,cain,and abel populated the earth and he brought up the shroud of turin. i would never hurt a child or anyone, and it's not because some invisible mystic is watching me through his crystal ball. morals exist, souls/gods/ghost don't
emailtheoldies 2 months ago
The message of the film "Kingdom of Heaven": "A king may move a man, but the soul belongs to the man." (good film IMO even though it's about christianity and the crusades)
No matter what the authority figure tells you, you are in charge of your morals and if you are told to do what you think is wrong, then it is your duty to disobey.
Besides, I do good because I think that good is to be done, not because I expect something in return or because I fear punishment.
TheRaivaaja 2 months ago
Caller:Atheists have no morals ..if there is no god ppl will go around commit crime etc...
host:So if God said to kill your kids would you do it?
Caller:Absolutely! Are you seriously I kill them in less then a second.
MrEmeraldfusion 2 months ago
Why is it the christian proposition that without god we would all go around raping and killing because there is no consequences? No one thinks that long term. Long term being after you die. We all act based on now, five minutes from now and later. Its a social contract if you want to look at it mechanically. If you consider that we have a brain, its our brain that makes morality innate, or / and logical and emotional as well.
Johnf85 2 months ago 3
It's as simple as this we as adults should not be worried so much about building a better nicer afterlife for ourselves instead we should put all and I mean ALL of our focus on building a better world and better future for our children/the next generation. Because at the end of the day we only have death to look forward to while our children and their children and so on have to live with the world that we left them.
max2082 2 months ago
christians NEVER listen!
dancingnancy09 2 months ago
I kinda' like this audio. It's like Daleks arguing atheism.
GoblinXXX 2 months ago
It's all well and good to debate these issues but there must be an end game. The end game is the destruction of indoctrination and the manifestation of critical thinking in its place. The real question is how to do this. That is why I find this show to be an exercise in futility
Pigroota 2 months ago
This guy would kill his kids if god told him??!??!?!
Freethinker12341 3 months ago
@nljensen
they should make you want to study more:)
it's what lead me to study ancient faiths such as the epic of gilgamesh, deities such as Krishna, etc.
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@honeyblossom17 well it is supposed that everything god does is perfect and so he couldnt instruct something evil (but yeah he needs to have a sense of morality)
pochopaz7381 3 months ago
That bastard was SICK!! He IN GENERAL wouldn't do it, BUT if ''god'' asked him to he would!? That is truly sicking!
honeyblossom17 3 months ago
Why would "God" need to test Isaac in the first place? Wouldn't an omniscient god already know if Abraham was a good guy or not WITHOUT a test?
politicoochie09 4 months ago 4
@politicoochie09 Exactly. Therefore the correct response from Abraham would be “God, my lord, I know thee to well to believe that you would demand a human sacrifice. Therefore either thou are testing me or thou are the devil in disguise.”
But had that been Abraham’s response, God’s response back could just be “How dare you doubt me!? Now burn!” As his response actually was in 1 king 20:35-36. When gods command atrocities, you’re fucked no matter what they do. That’s why it’s an immoral system.
jillum89 3 months ago 10
Religion, in any form, is an evil crutch that prevents us as human beings from accomplishing so much in the name of science.
The worst thing I hate about religion is that it has a never ending vicious cycle. Children are forced to believe by their parents. Religion prays on the ignorant, the weak, the depraved, and the desperate.
This video's title should be Religion in general and not Christianity, Islam is no better.
LyleVertigo 4 months ago 4
Well, what would he do if God came to him and asked him to blow up a fking bank or rape women off the street? What then?
ArtistryofDebauchery 4 months ago
@ArtistryofDebauchery Well, I don't think the Flying Spaghetti Monster would be that cruel.
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You guys are lost except in areas where you get to pull scriptures out of context or words out of context for anywhere and just use them for how you want to applicate. I am sorry the story of Isaac you are trying to entrap that man with is relative to what was going on in application with normal practice of the time. A natural law that it follows, no matter. God was testing which way Isaac would go.
As you have never even taken a history course on theology. Study something in its context.
mamaschristmasbunny 4 months ago
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- "the story of Isaac ... is relative to what was going on in application with normal practice of the time."
The whole Old Testament is based on the knowledge and the moral values of that time. That only goes to show that gods are never much wiser than the people who make them up.
- "God was testing which way Isaac would go."
So much for omniscience. Don't gods have more important things to wonder about?
TheAtheistExperience 4 months ago 34
@TheAtheistExperience Its a good thing god doesn't exist or that guys kid would be dead......muhahaha :S
DarronTheDamaga 2 months ago
@mamaschristmasbunny "Testing" Isaac by ordering him to kill his son? Wow... What a wonderful god that is! A PERFECT example of morality.
Hey, let's all take parenting tips and life advice from the guy who raised his own son up as a human sacrifice, and who "tests" people by ordering that they kill their kids, as well.
AncientsReborn 4 months ago
@mamaschristmasbunny How can you justify a parent EVER even thinking of killing their child because god said so? It doesn't matter if it was just a test. Abraham didn't know that! What sort of omniscient god HAS to test faith? If he KNOWS EVERYTHING then he should know if someone is truly faithful or not without a test.
How can you judge morality if the moral arbiter, your god, behaves immorally? How can you justify your morals then?
BTW, Christians cherry pick more than anyone else.
ciaochowbella 4 months ago
@mamaschristmasbunny shouldn't god have already known which way isaac would go??
the practice of the time is irrelevant. the teachings of the bible are meant to convey eternal truths.
you should call the show with your complaints.
by the way, matt dillahunty was a fundamentalist christian for many years and, prior to becoming an atheist, was training to become a minister.
HuyerPercussive 4 months ago
@mamaschristmasbunny
So at some point - SOME POINT - stoning unruly children and OWNING other people as property was the moral way to go??
What YOU have are ridiculous excuses for your Book of nonsense. And because you - most probably - are a decent human being, you need to come up with crazy excuses for it, because you refuse to accept that the Biblical god you claim to believe in is so evil.
grozde 3 months ago 2
@mamaschristmasbunny Why can you not look for God ouside the bible? I cannot believe that the Creator of the universe can be found in the pages of one ancient book. You're kind of limiting God in this way. I mean the bible stories are just puerile, primitive garbage. To give these stories the title of the "word of God" is insulting really.
As for the crucifixion, it smacks of ancient superstition. Why should the creator need to be appeased by the shedding of blood?
WeTheStrange 3 months ago
@mamaschristmasbunny
I hear alot about this famous "context", its getting tiresome, in what context is it morally correct to own another human being as property for instance?
matszz 2 months ago
@mamaschristmasbunny well could you at least forgive everyone
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One day to find where these people grab their information from and how they derive their exegesis. In the scientific world most of us do come up with some at least face value proof or be it circumstantial evidence for why we believe what we believe in instance. In most shows these guys never show even that kind.
I would like their scietific breakdown, for example like on how 2 steel buildings collapse at 9/11, by jet fuel, aluminum impact, of steel. Explain by using known laws of physics, etc.
mamaschristmasbunny 4 months ago
@mamaschristmasbunny Throwing in some 9/11 bullshit is a HUGE red herring. Asking regular people who are NOT scientists for a "scietific [sic] breakdown" is fatuous and beside the point.
Here's where your logical fallacy fucked you up.
Atheists have no burden of proof since they are not making any claims. They are REJECTING claims of religions. Nothing more.
You also might consider proof reading your comments before posting. That was mostly gibberish.
ciaochowbella 4 months ago
@mamaschristmasbunny WTC'S fell due to the planes impacts damaging the support beams, the protective coating around the beams were removed with the impact with exposed the beams to fire. The fires become out of control and soften the steel where it looses its strength and the structure fails.
bigj70634 3 months ago
Cultural relativety because remember morality has no essential provision. You do good because you do good. You do bad because you do bad.
That is it.
Nothing provided and nothing else invited, it is one ego talking to another ego there. We are in a state of figuring on our own what good is, and what bad is here.
Evolving from that. Because Atheists believe in the theory of evolving from creature or seaweed or swamp gas or fish (like R.Dawkins theory). Our morality
having
evolved. Weird.
mamaschristmasbunny 4 months ago
@mamaschristmasbunny You're so woefully behind on science it's laughable.
You're almost right with your moral determination there. In the course of things, good people will do good things and bad people will do bad things. However, if you want good people to do bad things, you need religion. It DOES inspire otherwise morally good people to acts of atrocity.
As for evolution, you really don't have a clue. You haven't studied jack shit about it and it shows.
ciaochowbella 4 months ago
What's so shocking is that the 3 monotheistic religions share the same founding moment; the depraved acts of Abraham. Abraham made it crystal clear; with his God there is NOTHING that is too depraved and that was indeed the basis of the entire covenant. He and his crazy family founded a new religion. Abe had a son with his slave, then his wife, then chucked out the former. Lot's wife died mysteriously and was blamed for it, he raped both his own daughters and blamed them... WTF
ritchloui 5 months ago
You can't make blanket statements about groups of people! Catholics believe in free will, that's not total submission to a greater religion or being. Deism is not an atheistic belief but gives it's believers complete control over their life.
trumpetmaner 5 months ago
@trumpetmane You have a massive contradiction here " Catholics believe in free will" the teaching is that you believe in god or you burn in hell, there is no free will there. You can make blanket statements if a group beleieves that homersexuals should be stoned for example then i have no respect if you choose to follow or believe in something then you should be judged for that
loudman12 5 months ago
Christian morality is one of the following. Pick one:
1. Do as I say, not as I do.
2. Might makes right.
3. Father knows best, so smack the kids and send the woman to the kitchen.
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
I live in a neighborhood of Seattle that is anti-religion, mostly atheist, mostly homosexual, mostly counter-culture (actually, hipster). The ridiculous thing about people like Dawkins saying that atheists are gentle moral creatures is that it's simply false. No human beings are gentle moral creatures. If atheists were, I don't understand why they continually steal bags from my store just because I don't have surveillance. Caught two atheists shoplifting and handed them over to seattle police.
aloh86 6 months ago
@aloh86 Ok, and the fact that they did such is not a result of their atheism, religious people commit such acts too, the difference is that the people that did such a thing don't have a hypocritical moral system which they ignore anyway.
ajax515 6 months ago
@ajax515
...and that makes it OK to steal since morality is relative? It's ok for the two shoplifters to justify their stealing? Maybe they needed it because they didn't have much money...but they REALLY needed it? Does that make it ok? Let's say they did have a moral code (like Sam Harris doesn't believe in relativism)...on what basis do they live by that code? Just because they FEEL it's right? And do share, if not atheism, then what? As I said, NO (meaning all) human being is moral.
aloh86 6 months ago
@aloh86 When did I say that? Who said they needed it? Maybe they were just being punks. No, there are greater, legal laws in place that people are to follow, and not following them can have consequences as stated in this video. These were guidelines that were created by human beings. I don't speak on behalf of all Atheists, but one moral advantage they do have is that they don't subscribe to an absurd, contradictory dogma which leads people to commit atrocities in its name.
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@aloh86 When did I say that? Who said they needed it? Maybe they were just being punks. No, there are greater, legal laws in place that people are to follow, and not following them can have consequences as stated in this video. These were guidelines that were created by human beings. I don't speak on behalf of all Atheists, but one moral advantage they do have is that they don't subscribe to an absurd, contradictory dogma which leads people to commit atrocities in its name.
ajax515 6 months ago
Well god wouldnt say that but still...
pochopaz7381 7 months ago
@pochopaz7381- How do you know god wouldn't?
honeyblossom17 3 months ago
Wow! So true!
pochopaz7381 7 months ago
@Elhardt But as he said there is no morality in christianity either just appeal to authority
pochopaz7381 7 months ago
If we need religion to be morally good, why don't other animals?
11iluvpurple 7 months ago
@11iluvpurple: Few people actually need religion to think/be morally good. You only need good observation skills and empathy for that. Religion only helps people who have problems with caring about what is morally good (which is a lot of people, including me). Other animals don't have quite the same dilemma, unless we give them one.
sum137 7 months ago
As an atheist, of course I do whatever I want, and of course it's only evil things. Murder, cannibalism, kidnapping, you name it!
sillygoose544 7 months ago
Is the guy on the left a ghost!!!??? lol
OnlyTbone 7 months ago
A quicker reply to this caller's question would be to simply examine the correlation between crime/immorality rates and belief and religiousness in different societies.
The idea that religious conviction actually keeps people morally in line isn't really borne out in reality anyway.
patrickgomes15 7 months ago
these videos distract me from my studies.
nljensen 7 months ago 35
@nljensen YES!!!!!! me too!!!!! I've had almost every essay this year hijacked at some point by watching Hitchens, Dawkins, HArris and these guys. I'm not alone!!!!!!
MusicStudyMan 6 months ago
Misinformation in nearly every video title. It's little wonder that vocal atheists are so disdained.
sum137 7 months ago 7
@sum137 Why is it misleading? They clearly state that Christianity has no morality, it has absolute obedience as a substitute for morality. So the title is correct, it fits what this is video is all about. You might not like it, so fight it with arguments instead of calling the opponent... disdained.
Ranokian 7 months ago
@Ranokian: Per your question, it is misleading to insist that morality and obedience (to anyone) are necessarily at odds with each other. The hosts beg the question by presuming that God would request an immoral action, and flat out deny (via the title) the conciliar nature of the Church that the Bible records (e.g. in Acts) Christ establishing on Earth. This slight of hand trick is obviously intended to provoke, and warrants disdain.
sum137 7 months ago
@sum137 The host stated that Christians have swapped morality for obedience. Obedience is not a morality in itself. That is what the host is saying. And yes, you make a valid point about morality and obedience, but that is not the issue here . And while some churches may have conciliar nature, I'm not sure Christianity itself has a nature like that. I don't 100% agree with the host, but a believer who is willing to kill his own son, causes a strong reaction. So no provocation on the host side.
Ranokian 7 months ago
@Ranokian: Correct. The hosts trick an unwitting person to mistake morality for obedience, and use this slight of hand trick to assert the absurd: that Christianity has no morality -- despite the obvious fact that Christian morality pervades so many institutions and charities around the world. Clearly disdainful means.
sum137 7 months ago
@sum137 The host stated that Christians have swapped morality for obedience. Obedience is not a morality in itself."
But obedience dictates one's morality. It's the same with parenting, if a parent tells a child what is right and wrong, the child is going to follow. Stealing is bad, child doesn't do it; sharing is good, child does it.
The Vatican/Bible works for many as an authority figure, living life by it's laws without question. That's scary.
Lukege15 7 months ago
@sum137 BTW these 'laws' are manipulated by the people at the top. For all you know, Christians aren't following the supposed 'Word of God' at all. People spent 2,000 years changing it for their own means: slavery is alright; murdering 'infidels' is fine; slaughtering natives for their land is great - it's for the good of Christianity. Christian morality is based on conquest.
Lukege15 7 months ago
@sum137 Some of the most devoted Christians throughout history have also been the ones committing the most dreadful acts imaginable. If God will absolve them (which according to the holy book manipulated by their forefathers, he will), it's all fine. Absolute devotion to anything is dangerous, especially to something that holds no truth.
Lukege15 7 months ago
@Lukege15: Please refrain from confusing the issue with opportunists (e.g. televangelists), as you have just elaborately listed for us. Knowledgeable Christians, BTW, agree that "absolute devotion to anything is dangerous." What are you doing to help people who confuse these two issues, other than condemning them? This is what I consider disdainful (i.e. morally wrong).
sum137 7 months ago
@sum137 Another problem is that religion has dominated our culture for so long that it effects everything - especially law. Which means that secular and 'Leftist' thought can swiftly be considered as wrong, 'un-American' in some cases. Which means immoral acts can actually be perceived as moral because Christianity says so.
Capitalism by its very nature is immoral (some might say evil), but Christianity did its part to indoctrinate the masses into believing otherwise.
Lukege15 7 months ago
@sum137 If you dispute my points about capitalism, just think about Sharia Law. From the outside, you can see its faults, but the devout Muslims blindly follow - believing women should be oppressed and certain ethnic groups suppressed - because it's Allah's will. Christians face the same problem.
Lukege15 7 months ago
@Lukege15: BTW, your "some of the most devoted..." barb applies to all philosophies -- including atheists. Your parenting illustration, despite its flaws, is more on target. But even in this example, it is still misleading to insist that morality and obedience (to anyone) are necessarily at odds with each other. It constitutes begging the question, flawed logic. And baiting people to confuse the two issues in order to merely condemn and insult them is disdainful.
sum137 7 months ago
@sum137 "BTW, your "some of the most devoted..." barb applies to all philosophies -- including atheists."
Atheism isn't a philosophy... it's a rejection of them...
"And baiting people to confuse the two issues in order to merely condemn and insult them is disdainful."
Baiting? This guy was clearly crazy. Just because he's a Christian doesn't mean you have to defend him. If an Atheist was acting like that 'gentleman' was, I can guarantee I would not try to associate myself with him.
Lukege15 7 months ago
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sum137 7 months ago
@Lukege15: "This guy was clearly crazy. Just because he's a Christian doesn't mean you have to defend him. If an Atheist was acting like that 'gentleman' was, I can guarantee I would not try to associate myself with him."
-> Simply disdainful... Yet it partly explains why you assert that atheism isn't a philosophy, and fell into your own philosophical trap regarding morality. And what is your point regarding capitalism? Are you insinuating that it's a Christian ideal? And what same problem?
sum137 7 months ago
@sum137 "Yet it partly explains why you assert that atheism isn't a philosophy, and fell into your own philosophical trap regarding morality"
Ummm, no.
Second point: Christianity and capitalism is inter-linked. Ask yourself how else the capitalist world can imbed into it's inhabitants that equality is wrong (communism)? The Church justifies poverty because in 'Heaven' they will be rich... apparently; it also tells us that the oppressed and exploited are there because God places us into society.
Lukege15 6 months ago
@sum137 Also, I'm shocked that you don't know about Calvinism's part in capitalism taking place. You are a little less educated than you like to believe. No Christianity = No capitalism.
Lukege15 6 months ago
@sum137 It's complete pseudo-morality. The same God who endorses the murder of thousands of men, women, and children then commands that such actions are sins. All in one book. What a great role model for his followers, don't yah think?
ArtistryofDebauchery 4 months ago 3
umm if god was proven to exist and runs the world and he had hell over me and he told me to do it... i would do it. I don't think any for of pride is worth eternity, it would be wrong but oh well.
sailornaruto39 7 months ago
I think it's cute that xians say they'd kill their kid if god said so-- it's like people saying "Well, if *I* saw the person fall into the river, I'd jump in and save them," or, "If [dead child unwanted by mother] were still alive, *I'd* adopt her!"... it's something they will never have to prove, but it makes them look noble to claim it.
P0weredByPie 8 months ago
Instead of asking theists "If god told you to kill someone...", why don't they just pick one of the numerous bible verses instructing murder and ask if the theists would do it?
greenjelly01 8 months ago
"shut up bitch" haha i knew it cause u could hear it in his voice that hes one of those black people that u don't want to c walking down the street
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" you are your own moral authority" love it
woahhthere09 8 months ago
when i was christian i had morals that didnt fit the bible . Christians have morality, they often dont read the bible and assume their beliefs match that of the bible. i knew the bibles code of morality and that is what helped change my view. if Christians had bible morality we would of all been genocided (including almost all Christians). it would be impossible for any form of culture to coexist with the actual beliefs. before the Jesus argument i get, he didnt come to abolish anything.
muaythaijunky 8 months ago
@muaythaijunky I know you didn't argue against this and I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. The hosts don't say christians can't have morals or do morally right things, but their morality does not come from the bible.You can use the bible to teach people about morality I guess, but you need to nitpick in order to do it and it impedes on the development of a personal morality which flawed and human as it may be, is still far superior to that of the bible.
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Why can't you people just realize that Santa Clause exist!?!? He speaks to me through my heart, and shows me signs for which direction he wants me to go! There is a really old book that says he's real! Why isn't this enough for you!?!? When I asked him for stuff he would give it to me!!! What other evidence do you need?!!!
TheScottism101 8 months ago
funny that no christian ever said "no i would not do that". god would never ask that of me lol...nevermind that he did several times in the bible, and even went through with it. stupid sheeple
managarm1349 9 months ago
Just more proof that HUMAN Morals are BETTER IN EVERY WAY than Religious Morals.... Plain and simple... stupid people are stupid, help stop their ignorance!!
KidPunkStar101 9 months ago
One very clear negative consequence of religion is that people are driven to ask, "Without religion, why not just go murder, steal, rape, etc?"
Religion masks the existence of interrelationships, how they work, and why they're important for our survival and well-being. This is a bad thing. Morally, it makes us children, perpetually.
shantih433 9 months ago
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TheAtheistExperience 9 months ago 2
@joorailkken To your two questions. 1: Just because a majority agree on something doesn't mean it's the right thing. 2: America was founded by Deists, not Theists. The founding fathers didn't believe in the god of the bible, just in 'a' god existing somewhere. But anything to do with organized religion in America is, yes, based on the logic of schizophrenic idiots.
Sanquinity 9 months ago
@henf5671 Ahhh, cursing, #1 signbof unintelligence, alog with ad-homonym attacks bringing up the rear. Have you even read the Bible? Many of modern civilizations ethics were first presented in the bible.
DrewMC36 9 months ago
@DrewMC36 Shitty spelling/typing is a much greater sign of unintelligence than cursing or ad hominem attacks.
However, having just read the comment you were responding to... yeah that guy's dumb.
But still, the fact that the bible happened to get some aspects of ethics right doesn't really undo all the ridiculous things that are supposed to be punished by death. Wearing two different materials at once, planting the wrong crops next to each other, working on Sunday, disobeying parents, etc.
Kritter42 9 months ago
@Kritter42 Yes, there are plenty of things that the Bible says are punishable by death. That is in the Old testament, then Jesus came and said that those rules, along with the sacrifice of animals, don't have to be followed anymore. I should understand that trying to convert someone over the internet to Christianity, just like trying to make someone understand atheism, is very futile and can only be done in person. Anyways, I hope you have a good day, and God Bless!
DrewMC36 9 months ago
@DrewMC36 Sure, but the New Testament still has many absurd rules in it. Like "If a man looks upon a woman with lust, he has already committed adultery in his heart." As if any human being can control whether they feel lust. And there's staying away from women while they're menstruating, or the one mandating haircuts for men. They might have taken away the capital punishment but the rules are still absurd on their face. But I respect your right to your religion, and I hope it brings you comfort.
Kritter42 9 months ago
@Kritter42 Thanks, I hope you come to see things a bit clearer eventually :)
DrewMC36 9 months ago
@DrewMC36 If you believe in the ten commandments, then you can't discard anything of the old testament. As the ten commandments came from the old one. Or are you saying the ten commandments (actually, there are like 62) are all to be thrown out?
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henf5671 9 months ago
HAHA, the caller is clearly mentally unstable.
AzOats 9 months ago 2
What causes people not to want to hurt other people? Empathy. Something you don't need Christianity to have. I'm not Christian and I could never take a life. I don't want to cause anyone to suffer. If somebody in charge of me told me to do it, I'd run away from it. Obviously whatever that is is a monster. And in the bible he does slaughter innocent children. Sure lets all go worship this God that slaughters innocent kids.
DisWldFrk90 9 months ago
@amanwithdreams So it it's in my plan to "sacrifice" my child before it is even born then it's ok?
fablan6 9 months ago
Religion: One voice in your head away from a murdered family.
stxtigers08 9 months ago 2
This guy should have his kids taken away from him
juStjoKinG67 9 months ago
I think that the guy only said he'd kill his kid out of pride. Going back on his own assertion that god is the ultimate authority and should be obeyed without question would show that he is not "keeping it real" and might, as a consequence, ruin his "street cred". I also think he only got angry and called Matt a bitch because he realized how awful he must have sounded when he said that he'd kill his kid. Matt made him look stupid and he resented that fact.
BloodRedLegend 9 months ago
"I would kill my child if god told me to."
Someone call CPS. This man is one hallucination away from killing his children.
pkemrin 9 months ago 4
@pkemrin i know, right? it's just sick to know that there are people like this out there with children. that's terrifying.
belladonna4577 9 months ago 2
@belladonna4577 Agreed.
pkemrin 9 months ago
Religion is sooooo disgusting.
fourtywpm 9 months ago
@WorldBibleUnion454 Hahahaha, you're a silly fantasy boy, not to be taken seriously.
dredoc1 9 months ago
@WorldBibleUnion454 Thereats of something magical happening ? Skydaddy gonna punish unbelievers with magic ? Or, delusional people unable to reason... I think the latter
ExcaliburClan 9 months ago
@WorldBibleUnion454 I don't have an "ideal" concept. My concept of a sky daddy would be (not IS, because I dont believe in ghosts) of a better father than any living one. Only psycho dads would do the things the biblical character does.
Are you avoiding questions by asking questions?
dredoc1 9 months ago
@WorldBibleUnion454 First of all, how do you know? Because its written in the bible? Do think or do you know? Humans don't get their morals from the bible or any other "sacred" book; which are actually immoral. I don't pray, I wish for good things to happen to people. Since I don't pray for your god and lack belief in him, he's going to burn me in his torture chamber, that's why he's a bully. If the biblical character actually exists I would still not worship him. Not my concept of a deity.
dredoc1 10 months ago
@WorldBibleUnion454 Yeah right, but if I don't want what he wants or expects he'll KILL me!
dredoc1 10 months ago 2
@WorldBibleUnion454 That character/god is a bully.
dredoc1 10 months ago
Ok, Im an atheist, but if it's religion that prevents this and other fucking stupid psychos from committing murder, I'm actually glad for religion, and mind control, for the weak and insane. Actually through religion is that lands were conquered, and prevented their people from insurrection. Still, the whole concept is atrocious.
dredoc1 10 months ago
this guy needs to get an education.
MetalSiicken 10 months ago
the caller should have never been given the chance to breed...EVER.
belladonna4577 10 months ago
Guy gets his ass handed to him by Matt and Martin. His response: "Shut up, bitch."
That alone speaks a lot about the dipshit caller. lol
wl0883 10 months ago
I'm more afraid of a christian, or any religious bigot for that matter, than anyone in jail.
viicISrotcib 10 months ago
Do good,and have Jesus in you having life eternal. Do bad,and have death of the soul. Life of the soul should be the better choice don't you think? This will eliminate humans jailing humans with humans judging themselves The stakes are eternal,and the jailer is throwing his soul away trying to act like God,and Satan wants to act like God through men. The way to be saved is to repent,and be right with your brother.
kobidobidog 10 months ago
You are right we have to live with one another in our society,and Gods word says just that. love whoever as yourself, and not to judge another judging yourself. Religion however causes humans to judge one another,and that creates conflict, and bondage withing the religious community, creating persecutors separation,and conflict against all kinds of sexualities making all kinds of laws. Gods law is, 1 John 4 ,12,
If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
kobidobidog 10 months ago
@kobidobidog God says: Worship me through Jesus or suffer eternally in hell. No loving father would do that, ergo God is not loving, ergo God is not good, ergo God is evil, ergo God is Satan, ergo Religion is evil...
ExcaliburClan 10 months ago
The title of this video is bogus. There was nothing in there about Christianity... And in an atheistic / materialistic universe, there is no such thing as good, evil, or morality, as even Richard Dawkins has stated. Matter does not possess those qualities. Morality can only exist if there is God, consciousness, mind; all the things that don't exist in a material universe. So an atheist talking about right or wrong or morality as if it exists is a hypocrite, and not making sense.
Elhardt 10 months ago
@Elhardt
Watch the video again and listen to what Martin says. He lays it out why a person doesn't need a bullshit sky daddy to be a moral person.
wl0883 10 months ago
@Elhardt Social morality is an easy concept to grasp for anyone inclined so. Christian morality is to slaughter opposing religion followers, stone unruly children, rape beautiful women to force them into marriage, and enslave your fellow man. Christian morality is an abomination to intelligent rational humans...
ExcaliburClan 10 months ago
@ExcaliburClan God has to be in each of us to love each of us. That is what he wants us to do for not to do that will not protect us when his light shines. God has kept that light from shining because stubborn humans still want to be like Satan having policemen put humans in bondage, condemning humans to death, military armies killing, and persecuting sexualities. Few love like Jesus. See why God in his mercy has not come back yet spiting the heavens extinguishing the stars when he comes back?
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@ExcaliburClan Social morality as it is called is godless ignoring the heart by not loving whoever, and giving evil for evil, and by not being tenderhearted forgiving each other even as God has forgive you. That is in the king James bible. God wants us to be tenderhearted with each other, and when we are the things we complain about will vanish like the darkness when the sun shines.
kobidobidog 10 months ago
@ExcaliburClan Jesus never stoned anyone. How come humans can't grasp that fact? To therefore stone is to be an enemy of Jesus, and an enemy of each other. Those religions who made the word Rape are polluting your minds to think sex is bad, and causing humans to stampede like wild animals against humans giving more, and more accusations. Jesus is forgiving. Be forgiving no matter what,and humans will have a soul ready for better things than what this physical body knows of at this point in time.
kobidobidog 10 months ago
This guy would kill his own kid if god told him to? What if it was the devil (or aliens) pretending to be god? Oops!
*not that god telling you to kill your son makes it right.
NoFaithInFolklore 10 months ago
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learnislam00 10 months ago
you guys need more lights, i can see right through your shirt (and its gray)
cam45m51 10 months ago
hahahahaah shut up bitch. what a response!
VicerExciser5 10 months ago
i would never harm my kids , not for a king , not for a fantasy god, and even not to a god if i knew he was real and stood before me aiming with a lightning bold at me while satan opens the door to hell./.
ImmortalUniverse 11 months ago
@ImmortalUniverse thank you.
viicISrotcib 10 months ago
i think he finally got it at the end .
he didnt hang up because he hated you, he hang up because he was woken up..
good job.
ImmortalUniverse 11 months ago
hahaha that caller probably thought he had him when he said "shut up bitch." what a monster.
summergirl555 11 months ago
Damn i feel bad for that guys children,living with someone who has no problem killing you if god or a sign he interpreted was from god told him to.If you are willing to kill for god how does that make you moral?Makes you a disgusting human being in my opinion.Funny when you get right down to it Christianity and Fundamentalist Islam really have a'lot alike when it comes down to what people will do for there god.
DastardlyDereK 11 months ago
shut up bitch = defeated.
LOL
gwf1213 11 months ago
@gwf1213 - shut up bitch = winning.
So don't flatter yourself.
xchargerOUx 8 months ago
@gwf1213 that was funny
Jimmyboy679 7 months ago
Oh, Christianity has a morality.
It's just an outdated and vicious bronze age one that recommends stoning for just about everything from eating shellfish to picking up sticks on saturday.
TheSkunkCat 11 months ago
an ant colony has morality...
ab330 11 months ago 2
@Cottonmouth899 And im saying it does NOT teach morals. Morals are learned through common sense, upbringings, and man-made laws. I showed the results of people trying to learn morals from a book that is thousands of years old. The holy bible needs to have a rated "R" age limit. Showing hatred to kids like stoning disobedient children, silencing women, killing gays, should be illegal. And yes, people still do them things. Heres another Philadelphia example last week.
watch?v=oowZx7ano7s
JabberCT 11 months ago
@Cottonmouth899 2 weeks ago, 21 priests in Philadelphia were removed on sexual abuse allegations. 3 are charged with rapping a young boy that they passed around among themselves and a catholic school teacher. They are far from the first, and they wont be the last. Between that, the Vatican, the hundreds of other priests charged with rape, the Phelps, Ted Haggard, Mike Murdock, Peter Popoff, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, etc etc. That is NOT teaching morals of any kind. And this caller shows it.
JabberCT 11 months ago
@JabberCT "raping", not rapping lol.
JabberCT 11 months ago
"Nobody to answer to....Can do anything we want...Not care about anybody..."
Well if you're gonna say that to atheists, why not also to gods? Your god doesn't have anyone to answer to, so anything goes eh? So it's "all good" to command your minions to rape and kill those whoe don't believe, "it's all good". That caller is frikkin dumb, as is anyone else who says they need a mafia boss to control their actions- you're not moral if you need punishment of hell to not do bad.
TurboDally 1 year ago 3
all religion is a myth created by man all of them!
billbo1154 1 year ago 2
christians do not have better morals.Just becouse you believe in fairytales doesnt make you moral.we do not get morals from god or the buybull.
billbo1154 1 year ago
Son of a bitch... that's a wonderful comeback for a jackass who clearly demonstrated he had absolutely no morals.
hellhammerz666 1 year ago
@Ranndommzz3495 So...then we're the dicks?
TheGreatDeciever55 1 year ago
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One of the commandment is "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" So its PAINFULLY IRONIC that GOD himself actually orders moses to not let anyone touch the foot of Mount Sinai or they "SHALL BE PUT TO DEATH" specifically by arrow and stoning JUST before he endowed---so God decided to force his followers to break his own commandment before he even bestowed it upon them!!!!?? thats just fucking rediculous END OF STORY
TheGreatDeciever55 1 year ago
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@sketto8 it was written by man, under the guidance of God.
DrewMC36 1 year ago
@DrewMC36
- "[The Bible] was written by man"
No doubt.
- "under the guidance of God."
Very doubtful.
TheAtheistExperience 1 year ago 68
@DrewMC36 We can do an experiment to find out the true source of the bible.
Hypothesis: If Yahweh is made up, we would likely see him reflecting the traits of those who made him up, namely ancient Near-Eastern male tribespersons.
Okay, now read the bible. Does Yahweh behave this way? Ohh yes. Anger, ultra-authoritarianism, sexism/male-dominance, bitterness, imperfect creative ability, temper tantrums, violent tendencies, etc., are the attributes of Yahweh.
God IS an ancient Israelite.
shantih433 11 months ago