ROBOT CANT BE 'PEOPLE' OR HAVE RIGHTS... ROBOTS ARE JUST MADE OF ATOMS.
THERE IS NOTHING MEANINGFUL ABOUT ATOMS. ATOMS CANNOT FEEL OR THINK SO HOW COULD A ROBOT MADE FROM ATOM DO THAT?
HUMANS ARE MADE FROM SPECIAL NON-PHYSICAL MATERIAL AND OUR CONSCIOUSNESS CONNECTS TO A PARALLEL UNIVERSE OUTSIDE THE LAWS OF PHYSICS THATS HOW WE CAN MAKE OUR 'OWN' DECISIONS AND FEEL.
lol if he cant take a shower then he'll never be human. If he or she cant produce babies then no not human. you cant make a human only God can you can clone and steal Gods idea ,but you cant create a human.
@GatameOne They are not humans, but they will become people. You must remember that a human is just a machine like any other, it's just a very complex one made of different materials - it is also 'programmed'.
You confuse the difference between 'human' and 'person'; animals can be people as well, and robots will be in the future.
If your definition of person is limited to whether one can take a shower, then you need to think a bit harder. And don't even get me started on the concept of a 'God'.
@Grymbaldknight Everything God makes is alive and everything man makes is dead and that includes robots. Humans are like animals but with more self control. A human can't be a machine because machines such as cyborgs or robots dont have a lifespan expectancy like ours.This means that a cyborg or robot's life span is based on upgrades while our human lifespan is based on the way we feed ourselves. were talking two completely different anatomies.
@GatameOne Dead? If something is dead it implies it was once alive. Life expentancy is all relative - and in no way has anything to do with sentience. Cryopreservation is in development, meaning a human could stay alive for decades more than they would otherwise - theoretically.
Our metabolism and digestive system HAVE been artificially replicated. There are now machines capable of powering themselves by eating food; coined 'Gastrobots'.
Strictly speaking, a human is just a biological machine.
@Grymbaldknight True,I was using dead to describe the robots, im going to say lifeless.Although look at what it take for a human to live longer compared to a robot that just needs repairs there is still a difference robots dont need to be frozen to live longer. I think the real question is what makes us human? I'm starting to think it's possibly a soul or emotions to feel pain or really to be mortal and learn lessons on morals for after death. Gasterobots are equal to a car ran on biodiesel..
@GatameOne Humans don't live as long as machines due to a biological 'planned obsolesence' - evolutionary theory says that humans don't need to live beyond 35. Humans also have self-repair systems, so they constantly replace their own parts - like a machine.
A machine of sufficient AI complexity should be able to replicate emotions. Human MRI scans enable us to study and even predict which 'processors' are active in the brain during any given emotion - so the soul is only a metaphor.
I picture genetically engineered large brained human cyborgs, communicating large amounts of highly complex concepts and information amongst themselves all in a split second and wirelessly without the use of human language. Our morality and intelligence would be much more evolved, and the goal will be human cooperation and the exploration of the Universe, hence we would be virtually immortal.
20 years later this is what the youtube adds are going to be about: FORGET THE INTERNET GET SKYNET FOR FREE TODAY if i saw that i wood be like yep wer fucked
@Molhedim your robot can't kill you that why the people progarm them the Three Laws of Robotics.1.A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.2.A robot must obey any orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.3.A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.4."A robot must know it is a robot."
@kaboom323818 haha well you're wrong. What if someone makes robots for military purpose such as robots flying with supersonic planes or smth ....after all A.I beats some ppl inteligents ...who knows how can turn in the future , i mean a A.I. can calculate lots and lots of diferent posibilites and strategys while you panic " omg omg omg i'm gona die ...what should i do " . It will be obvious that some will use A.I. in bad purpose ...thats not a maybe.Feel free to debate
@Molhedim the problem with robots is that they need a big enough intelligence to operate and adapt, but if they are smart enough they will PROBABLY abuse their powers and turn evil. so if they control say, a plane (like the guy said in the video). a really smart A.I. could program a seperate A.I. piloting the plane to kamikazee into the airport if say it didnt like that particular airport. That's just an example, my point is robots should be kept dumb for the better, so humans can control shit.
Building something smart does not require it to have emotions. We need slaves not friends, there are enough humans for that. So the franskestein argument is utterly ridiciolus. What humanity needs is workforce, so the civilization can move to the next level.
@MoneySpicy "A Machine cannot be a person because they depend on another person."
A person cannot be a person because they depend on other persons.
No, really...
See what happens to the human psyche if you isolate a human being from contact with other people and tell me that human beings don't need to depend on other people as adults.
Not to mention the fact that children cannot function independently for very long. An autonomous robot can function independently given the right abilities.
This is incorrect. There are plenty of isolated Hermits in the world that move miles away from civilization and do perfectly well without other people. MOST humans are social creatures; there are always exceptions to the rule.
@murrogashinji "there are always exceptions to the rule."
My point is that the exception isn't the rule. Yes, hermits can isolate themselves, but as you said, most humans need that social contact. And that doesn't invalidate the point I made previously that saying a robot isn't a person because it needs other people is flawed logic.
But the fact is that, if Ai becomes completed and upgraded to the human intelligence level, it would be as if they were completely human just as we are. They would have the same character flaws and quirks that people have. Of course, your point is correct on the grounds that they would need other people; someone has to repair and rebuild them when their circuitry runs down. It would be much harder for a computer to be independent, because they can't heal themselves.
@murrogashinji a computer, or machine, can most definetley repair itself. We have industrial robots building cars all the time. It may be fiction, but have you heard of The Matrix? Machine becomes inteligent, machine tries to integrate to human society. Humans shun them (like we do to anything we fear) We cant settle for their retreat and try to wipe them out. They consequently destroy us. Whose fault would that be?
The matrix is just a movie, and it uses creative license to tell a story. It doesn't mean that robots are going to act in the same way. It would be the same as with any race of group of people who is shunned from a society; either they'll found a place where they can live in peace, or they'll go to war with us. And I really doubt robots will be able to destroy humankind, especially since we would outnumber them and could simply use EMP weapons to destroy them.
@murrogashinji Yes, The matrix is just a movie. But as you said, any race or group of people who are shunned will either live in peace or go to war with us. With us humans being as naturally greedy as we are (myself included) it is much more likely that we will try to destroy them. And, being extermely intelligent "beings" they will fight back.
This is true, I can't argue that point. The only thing I hope for if a war happens is that it will end like any war does; grudging respect and and a shaky alliance after it's all over. That's trying to be incredibly optimistic though.
You're good at this! I was expecting someone to start yelling at me, but you keep a cool head. Great discussion!
@murrogashinji I would consider the human intelligence level to be a downgrade. Semibiotic systems can heal themselves like organics and with advanced metamaterials such as aggragated carbon such machines would be nearly impervious to normal damage. A hybrotic homunculus would be nearly indestructible if designed properly ^_^
Surely. That's why I would probably become a transhumanist if the means were available for a completely cybernetic transformation.
Of course, you wouldn't be able to make an impervious machine; every material on earth has a drawback of some kind, and most electronics are still susceptible to EMP attack....Not to mention magnets will have to either be done away with or completely rethought. Magnetic fields could be very destructive to robots.
But what are Hybrotics? That's what I'm asking; I've never heard that term before. Not to mention that I was under the impression that anything that runs on electricity was susceptible to EMP?
@N00bcrunch3r apes are just monkeys without tails... more specifically the tail is fused into a single bone. Monkey is a primate is a mammal is a therapsid is a reptile is an amphibian is a fish. All terrestrial chordates are a type of fish ^_^ Should fish have rights?
Yeah, they have no tail! Therefore, they are not monkeys!
And by the way, Therapsids were technically not reptiles. They were "Mammal-like Reptiles"! Possessing features such as thermoregulation, multiple kinds of teeth, an fur meant they really did not qualify as a "reptile", certainly no the type we think of today.
@N00bcrunch3r well therapsids are the reptillian precursors for mammals like theropods are the reptillian precursors for birds, The closest thing alive today to the old therapsids are monotremes like the platypus. All the other therapsids either died out or became mammals ^_^
I don't have a problem with robots , it's enough to pull one of his wires or shock him for now if he goes bad but ,the artificial intelligence is bad.You create an artificial mind , it stars seeing things , feeling things , a little things , it;s 0,1% of a human soul in that CPU and you kill it with a switch.They have feelings too people
Robots cant have human rights...Particularly because they are not human. But I have to say, Robots would be a great addition to society. Look at all the things some humans cant do...But a robot could...But...You also have to think on the boundaries of what would robots do? What happens if we make something super intelligent and it turns on its creators...Kinda like terminator...or Irobot. If robots do become a part of society...They should be easy to disable...Or weaponless. Movies scare me.
Wouldn't intelligent, self aware, and (perhaps) emotional robots be, essentially, human? We don't really know much about consciousness or intelligence, and AI research seems to be throttled - not by hardware - but by our efforts to reverse engineer and understand our own brains. If AGI that we would recognize (let alone accept into society) emerges from our understanding of our own brains, it's function would be rooted in our biological brain (by reproducing function or emergent from emulation).
Be that the case, how could such a mind created be anything but - at the most fundamental level - human? Perhaps it won't function or replicate the human mind exactly... but would it not still represent (for greater capacity or lesser) the "next manifestation" of human intelligence? Would they not be a further branch of humanity, the same as we are still a branch of apes?
And if not, at what point in future human evolution will "human rights" be obsolete as descendant species emerg
I am intimidated...All MEN were created equal...but robots were created better than man...I don't like it makes me uneasy I get this bad feeling in my stomach when I see this... and wait excuse me basic values robot's are not capable of emotion? I'm not sure.
To my knowledge, there are some indications that sentience requires emotion. So if robots become smart enough to want freedom, they probably have emotions as well. Though those emotions can be radically different from human emotions.
Also people are only equal in freedom and intristic value, capability is varied between humans.
Also I would like to remind you that we are not talking about any robots that are currently extant, but robots that may be built in the future.
@DataEntity I see your point but it sort of blurs our constitution. I am pretty sure that under raps somewhere they have meshed something with human DNA and I am sure that they are more advanced then they reveal to us because people will be replaced it's confusing for me to understand. Although I fully support animal rights...but I don't believe that my toy roboraptor needs any rights...It scares me Honestly I am scared of robots it is very intimidating ...
I have never understood why some people are so hostile to the very idea of robot rights. It's not like freedom is a resource that needs to be managed and is spread too thinly if we give it to sentient robots. It's not like humans lose a measure of freedom, but rather that there are more entities that have freedom.
As such personally I feel that any entity with sufficient intelligence to comprehend freedom is entitled to it. With adjoining responsibilities ofcourse.
To answer this question think of Bicentennial man. Can a robot be considered a person? Can We consider something that isn't alive a person? Robots don't age, Robots don't die of disease. If it cannot reproduce then it's not alive. I'm sure eventually will create robots that can reproduce. But that is a long way off.
@DataEntity Now that's an overstatement. Technically speaking they are just genetic defects they are still human born into life not constructed. You can't compare a living breathing human regardless of there ability to reproduce as an individual it's about the whole. A Robot is a robot it's programed unit it has no will of it's own it's all one programed. With all the terminator phobia going around I don't expect this will happen anytime soon.
While I agree with your assesment to a degree, I will point out that usually when the issue of "Robot Rights" comes along we are talking about robots with a "strong AI."
Furthermore, should the social cost of giving robots rights be considerably less than depriving them of rights, why no just give them?
As to the terminator phobia, the Japanese for instance seem to think it's bullshit, as can be seen in thier ongoing research.
@DataEntity My point of view relates to Biology 101. A virus while able to reproduce is not considered a living thing without a host. So in the event that Robots become self aware I'm not saying we shouldn't give them rights but we aren't at that level yet. Japanese cutler and robots lately seem to be more geared to being servants then actual threat.
And my point of view is that the consept of life is a human construct, grounded in reality yes, but a construct none the less. And like Stephen Hawking pointed out, by that metric, computer viruses are life as well.
But yes, I agree that we are quite far from any kind of a robot that might want rights.
Another thing that comes to mind, what if robots never want rights. Or after getting rights dont really alter their behaviour? Back on that in a bit.
@DataEntity But then again if you look anything into amine you'll notice robots and there impact on life has been drawn out time and again. So who's to say what will really happen. I only used the movie as an example ideally it would probably be to our benefit because if we make it smart enough then we might as well make a way to hold it responsible for it's actions. But that's assuming the robot makes mistakes it would become an android not a robot.
By giving them rights and legal status. You can't sue a hammer, but you can sue a person.
The bit about robots not wanting rights is this;
Humans spend a lot of time wondering what is the reason they exist, what is their purpose. Robots should instantly know what they are made for, their reason to exist is self-evident.
They may be content with that and like in Bicetennial Man, only want freedom on a philosophical basis. Just food for thought.
Though it's interesting to note prior to "robot rights", what of ethics? We are "programmed" to feel many different kinds of suffering - such as physical pain which has separate components of avoidance reflex, sensation, and recognition. We can't help this evolutionary programming - so considering human rights may be quite a bit different than coming robot rights consideration, as we can "program" (to a degree) their (and perhaps our own) capacity and condition for suffering.
I believe that a robot that is created and controlled by humans should not have its own special rights but that dosent mean it should be mistreated aswell, But if robots where given artificial intelligence and could think and act by itself then it should be given rights, responsibilities and be treated like our equals.
Of course robots will never be "human", but how different from us will they be that they won't deserve to have rights? From the day we are born we learn, just like robots will (only at a much faster rate). Humans are pre-programmed with expression, emotion, movement, and robots will be too. The only difference between human and robot will be our chemistry so in the end it may just boil down to an ethnic dilemma.
@jeremiah77769. Well plastic.. that's carbon. Same stuff as us. The thing is we have a soul. That's what makes us human right? Maybe it will turn out that we can't make real AI because the robots won't have souls.
But here's the thing. What if they do work? What if they are completely indistinguishable from humans? What if they do have values and interests and ideas? What if they love and hate? What will that mean? What will that mean for who we are and how we think about ourselves?
but if we one day have robots that have human level intelligence, then how do we justify making them do all these jobs for us without pay? would we have to pay them? and with what? batteries? fuel cells???
AI i think is the worng way to go.because its basicly memorey with reactions.....we need to find out how to make an living processor that can learn how to fix problems
Ok I like to listen to actual computer scientists about where the robotics will be 10-20 years from now. Not some "Science Fiction" author like David Brin who have no idea what they are talking about. Sure, Robotics might replace humans in some dirty jobs (who wants to be a janitor?), which is a good thing, they might even make cute pets/ children (more like a house assistant, a helpful machine), but they will never have the same place in society as humans, they don't "think" or have a concius
im ok with robotics in fact i ENCURAGE them. But these guys oh! these guys ARE INSANE CRAZY LUNATICS I WOULD NEVER TRUST A ROBOT TO DIRECT ME ON A PLANE
I can't believe what the people in this video are saying! Robots can be people? Robots will be raised in the place of human children? Robots with human rights? Haven't these people watched "Terminator"? We ask for our own destruction if we continue to progress with this course of action. Man builds robots in order to make its life easier. Not to destroy itself. These roboticists who support robot rights need to venture outside and get some fresh air....
Ok people, let's not read into Terminator that much now! Current Machine Intelligence is really very far from anything of that level. In fact, the most advanced Robots have the collective intelligence of an young infant, it is very likely that we will need to teach robots how to live in our world in harmony!
Have a look at Leonard the Robot, Kismet the Robot, the iCub Robot, Nao Robot and Nexi the Robot as a start. How do I know this? I'm doing a PhD in Non-Linguistic Human-Robot Interaction.
but tell me what level is their Intelligence at? they are absolutely nowhere they cant think they cant learn. just programmed to "do this if that is like that" how can it THINK i cant imagine
@robingread I know, these people (including the guy in the video) have no idea how machines work. Maybe a course or two in computer science will make them a little less incompetent.
If people are so against machines then why do we as a human race use them on a daily basis. For example.. you watched this video on your computer ...and that's ok... it's ok to drive your car to work and to use machines to make our jobs easier and daily life... I think this concept is pretty amazing and interesting. If you are against machines... stop using them in your daily lives.
because there is a threshold. you use a bow to hunt, youre still using a machine. people who are against machines believe technology is advancing too fast that it is overwhelming our conscience
Why would we want to make them is the question? How does this help us? If we make robots that think and can work harder than us then what? I could lose a job to a piece of metal? It doesn't exactly have kids to feed. The only logical conclusion of making perfect machines, would only be making ourselves obsolete.
not really they already have robotic copanion-ship now there making "slave robots" that are like humans but they have no human needs no need for sleeping, eating, showering or other stuff like that
But there making robots exactly like humans they will have thoughts and fellings but there not just programs or softwear there they will have there own thoughts wich is bad, what is the point of having somthing to do things for you but can have the chocie not to, i think were making these robots just to see if we can.
no matter what, there probaly gonna start living in our society even if they have no feelings they will learn how to feel from copying the plp around the robot, say if a man punches another man and the man that got punched gets an angry expression the robot will copy that if he gets hit. well thats my opionion
It 's brilliant (well, I think it is...you may not agree with me...but then again, you might love it). It has the same name..."Bi-Centennial Man". It is a Colunbia Pictures production, released in 1999. You could probably buy it on the net somewhere. I found it on sale at Kmart (I thinK). a while back.
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ARE YOU PEOPLE STUPID???
ROBOT CANT BE 'PEOPLE' OR HAVE RIGHTS... ROBOTS ARE JUST MADE OF ATOMS.
THERE IS NOTHING MEANINGFUL ABOUT ATOMS. ATOMS CANNOT FEEL OR THINK SO HOW COULD A ROBOT MADE FROM ATOM DO THAT?
HUMANS ARE MADE FROM SPECIAL NON-PHYSICAL MATERIAL AND OUR CONSCIOUSNESS CONNECTS TO A PARALLEL UNIVERSE OUTSIDE THE LAWS OF PHYSICS THATS HOW WE CAN MAKE OUR 'OWN' DECISIONS AND FEEL.
( / sarcasm )
51equinox 1 day ago
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51equinox 1 day ago
we already have enough people on earth why would we wanna be adding fake ones?
sydworth 1 week ago in playlist Human Cyborgs, Robots, Mind Control, Post Humans
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51equinox 1 day ago
Robotics designer AKA Virgin for life
Alba12349 1 week ago
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Beyond Human: Can a Robot Be a Person?
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Alba12349 1 week ago
If humans can be made in a lab, scientists use God's recipe.
Nineteeneightyfour01 1 week ago
god cares about humans, not machines. Even if robots look human, they are still OBJECTS
Nineteeneightyfour01 1 week ago
fully humanoid robots will probably cost as much as a desktop computer by 2030
Nineteeneightyfour01 1 week ago
we can't live with ourselves nevermind with bloody robots too.
almad4it 1 month ago
@almad4it Right. Another example of that is people saying aliens coming to our planet.. Why would they?
UltraSoftwareReviews 3 weeks ago
I want to be an AI
danialmouse 1 month ago
OMG, kitano when he is young, haha.
assqwert 3 months ago
lol if he cant take a shower then he'll never be human. If he or she cant produce babies then no not human. you cant make a human only God can you can clone and steal Gods idea ,but you cant create a human.
GatameOne 3 months ago
@GatameOne They are not humans, but they will become people. You must remember that a human is just a machine like any other, it's just a very complex one made of different materials - it is also 'programmed'.
You confuse the difference between 'human' and 'person'; animals can be people as well, and robots will be in the future.
If your definition of person is limited to whether one can take a shower, then you need to think a bit harder. And don't even get me started on the concept of a 'God'.
Grymbaldknight 2 months ago
@Grymbaldknight Everything God makes is alive and everything man makes is dead and that includes robots. Humans are like animals but with more self control. A human can't be a machine because machines such as cyborgs or robots dont have a lifespan expectancy like ours.This means that a cyborg or robot's life span is based on upgrades while our human lifespan is based on the way we feed ourselves. were talking two completely different anatomies.
GatameOne 1 month ago
@GatameOne Dead? If something is dead it implies it was once alive. Life expentancy is all relative - and in no way has anything to do with sentience. Cryopreservation is in development, meaning a human could stay alive for decades more than they would otherwise - theoretically.
Our metabolism and digestive system HAVE been artificially replicated. There are now machines capable of powering themselves by eating food; coined 'Gastrobots'.
Strictly speaking, a human is just a biological machine.
Grymbaldknight 1 month ago
@Grymbaldknight True,I was using dead to describe the robots, im going to say lifeless.Although look at what it take for a human to live longer compared to a robot that just needs repairs there is still a difference robots dont need to be frozen to live longer. I think the real question is what makes us human? I'm starting to think it's possibly a soul or emotions to feel pain or really to be mortal and learn lessons on morals for after death. Gasterobots are equal to a car ran on biodiesel..
GatameOne 1 month ago
@GatameOne Humans don't live as long as machines due to a biological 'planned obsolesence' - evolutionary theory says that humans don't need to live beyond 35. Humans also have self-repair systems, so they constantly replace their own parts - like a machine.
A machine of sufficient AI complexity should be able to replicate emotions. Human MRI scans enable us to study and even predict which 'processors' are active in the brain during any given emotion - so the soul is only a metaphor.
Grymbaldknight 1 month ago
Yes!
ScrapBrainUk 5 months ago in playlist Beyond Human
I want A robot, I would not be affraid of one . A Robot to do all my chores and thats no joke.
liduv1977 6 months ago
@davidjazay I think these glossy plastic robots are MUCH more acceptable than those horrible Geminoids stuck at the bottom of the uncanny valley.
Svoig 6 months ago
@davidjazay
I would accept that :-P
000Mariat000 8 months ago
either this will turn out like transformers or irobot. -__-
Catheliah 8 months ago
OH FUCK...........what happens when robots evolve enough that they can become trolls to O.o
cjc2468 10 months ago
that is why there was a tsunami,
modsJUTSU 10 months ago
I picture genetically engineered large brained human cyborgs, communicating large amounts of highly complex concepts and information amongst themselves all in a split second and wirelessly without the use of human language. Our morality and intelligence would be much more evolved, and the goal will be human cooperation and the exploration of the Universe, hence we would be virtually immortal.
esiosan 10 months ago
My future robot Derrick walks in on me watching porn
Robot: "What are you doing george?"
Me:"OH nothing its just a popup!"
Robot:"You know i know what you where doing there don't you?
Me:"I DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!"
Robot:"Pull your pants down and bend over george..."
ratchetclan3 10 months ago
20 years later this is what the youtube adds are going to be about: FORGET THE INTERNET GET SKYNET FOR FREE TODAY if i saw that i wood be like yep wer fucked
manwhifnoname 10 months ago
fucn a terminator time
garnett449 11 months ago
basic values of decent ppl??? wot a joke
smarter1then3u 11 months ago
it is one thing to program a seires of motions or actions or responces, we are verry far from self learning, not even a Win 1.6 near
lemmonsinmyeyes 11 months ago
Me and my robot in the future :
Robot "i look just like a human being"
Me "no you dont"
Robot "yes i am"
Me "no you dont "
Robot "yes i am"
Me "oh stfu you piece of old metal scrap "
Robot "ARRGHHHHH" *pulls a knife out of nowhere*
Molhedim 11 months ago
@Molhedim your robot can't kill you that why the people progarm them the Three Laws of Robotics.1.A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.2.A robot must obey any orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.3.A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.4."A robot must know it is a robot."
kaboom323818 11 months ago
@kaboom323818 you got that from irobot -.- LOL
GarshGirl1313 11 months ago
@kaboom323818 haha well you're wrong. What if someone makes robots for military purpose such as robots flying with supersonic planes or smth ....after all A.I beats some ppl inteligents ...who knows how can turn in the future , i mean a A.I. can calculate lots and lots of diferent posibilites and strategys while you panic " omg omg omg i'm gona die ...what should i do " . It will be obvious that some will use A.I. in bad purpose ...thats not a maybe.Feel free to debate
Molhedim 11 months ago
@Molhedim the problem with robots is that they need a big enough intelligence to operate and adapt, but if they are smart enough they will PROBABLY abuse their powers and turn evil. so if they control say, a plane (like the guy said in the video). a really smart A.I. could program a seperate A.I. piloting the plane to kamikazee into the airport if say it didnt like that particular airport. That's just an example, my point is robots should be kept dumb for the better, so humans can control shit.
FlamingMicrowav 11 months ago
I'm watching Pom :D Thumbs up if you misread that :>
TheDezmona 11 months ago
3:10 You mean I will have to share my house with a hunk of wire and metal. Thanks, morons!
N00bcrunch3r 1 year ago
Ridiculus.
I wonder if a century ago there was documentaries called "Can a negro be a person?"
Zanmatt2g 1 year ago
@Zanmatt2g lmao!
AgrivatedKillah 5 months ago
Building something smart does not require it to have emotions. We need slaves not friends, there are enough humans for that. So the franskestein argument is utterly ridiciolus. What humanity needs is workforce, so the civilization can move to the next level.
utkua 1 year ago
@utkua what humanity needs is a nanny/zookeeper o.O
PinkProgram 1 year ago
a.i. will make them smarter then humans
Jacory069 1 year ago
@MoneySpicy "A Machine cannot be a person because they depend on another person."
A person cannot be a person because they depend on other persons.
No, really...
See what happens to the human psyche if you isolate a human being from contact with other people and tell me that human beings don't need to depend on other people as adults.
Not to mention the fact that children cannot function independently for very long. An autonomous robot can function independently given the right abilities.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st
This is incorrect. There are plenty of isolated Hermits in the world that move miles away from civilization and do perfectly well without other people. MOST humans are social creatures; there are always exceptions to the rule.
murrogashinji 1 year ago
@murrogashinji "there are always exceptions to the rule."
My point is that the exception isn't the rule. Yes, hermits can isolate themselves, but as you said, most humans need that social contact. And that doesn't invalidate the point I made previously that saying a robot isn't a person because it needs other people is flawed logic.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st
But the fact is that, if Ai becomes completed and upgraded to the human intelligence level, it would be as if they were completely human just as we are. They would have the same character flaws and quirks that people have. Of course, your point is correct on the grounds that they would need other people; someone has to repair and rebuild them when their circuitry runs down. It would be much harder for a computer to be independent, because they can't heal themselves.
murrogashinji 1 year ago
@murrogashinji a computer, or machine, can most definetley repair itself. We have industrial robots building cars all the time. It may be fiction, but have you heard of The Matrix? Machine becomes inteligent, machine tries to integrate to human society. Humans shun them (like we do to anything we fear) We cant settle for their retreat and try to wipe them out. They consequently destroy us. Whose fault would that be?
EmilyDreamed 1 year ago
@EmilyDreamed how many people do i have to tell? ROBOTS HAVE A PROGRAM THAT STOP THEM FROM HARMING HUMANS NO MATTER WHAT
mariofanoo1 1 year ago
@mariofanoo1
Maybe the robots will see that the only way of stopping humans harming eachother is to imprison them.
Zanmatt2g 1 year ago
@EmilyDreamed
The matrix is just a movie, and it uses creative license to tell a story. It doesn't mean that robots are going to act in the same way. It would be the same as with any race of group of people who is shunned from a society; either they'll found a place where they can live in peace, or they'll go to war with us. And I really doubt robots will be able to destroy humankind, especially since we would outnumber them and could simply use EMP weapons to destroy them.
murrogashinji 1 year ago
@murrogashinji Yes, The matrix is just a movie. But as you said, any race or group of people who are shunned will either live in peace or go to war with us. With us humans being as naturally greedy as we are (myself included) it is much more likely that we will try to destroy them. And, being extermely intelligent "beings" they will fight back.
EmilyDreamed 1 year ago
@EmilyDreamed
This is true, I can't argue that point. The only thing I hope for if a war happens is that it will end like any war does; grudging respect and and a shaky alliance after it's all over. That's trying to be incredibly optimistic though.
You're good at this! I was expecting someone to start yelling at me, but you keep a cool head. Great discussion!
murrogashinji 1 year ago
@murrogashinji I love intelligent conversation. Especially when it happens so little here
EmilyDreamed 1 year ago
@EmilyDreamed
Same here; seems like everyone on Youtube either has to quote a " X dislikers where X" post, or just troll everyone else.
Thanks for the conversation!
murrogashinji 1 year ago
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51equinox 1 day ago
@murrogashinji I would consider the human intelligence level to be a downgrade. Semibiotic systems can heal themselves like organics and with advanced metamaterials such as aggragated carbon such machines would be nearly impervious to normal damage. A hybrotic homunculus would be nearly indestructible if designed properly ^_^
PinkProgram 1 year ago
@PinkProgram
Surely. That's why I would probably become a transhumanist if the means were available for a completely cybernetic transformation.
Of course, you wouldn't be able to make an impervious machine; every material on earth has a drawback of some kind, and most electronics are still susceptible to EMP attack....Not to mention magnets will have to either be done away with or completely rethought. Magnetic fields could be very destructive to robots.
murrogashinji 11 months ago
@murrogashinji hybrotics are rather resistant to EMP. Any magnetic field capable of damaging me would kill a human several times over ^_^
PinkProgram 11 months ago
@PinkProgram
Uh huh. Do you have a reference that I can see for this?
murrogashinji 10 months ago
@murrogashinji put a magnet next to your head.
PinkProgram 10 months ago
@PinkProgram
But what are Hybrotics? That's what I'm asking; I've never heard that term before. Not to mention that I was under the impression that anything that runs on electricity was susceptible to EMP?
murrogashinji 10 months ago
I'm an advocate of sophont rights ^_^
PinkProgram 1 year ago
@MoneySpicy a human is just a monkey. Why should a monkey have any rights? Slippery slope isn't it ^_^
PinkProgram 1 year ago
@PinkProgram
APE!!
N00bcrunch3r 1 year ago
@N00bcrunch3r apes are just monkeys without tails... more specifically the tail is fused into a single bone. Monkey is a primate is a mammal is a therapsid is a reptile is an amphibian is a fish. All terrestrial chordates are a type of fish ^_^ Should fish have rights?
PinkProgram 1 year ago
@PinkProgram
Yeah, they have no tail! Therefore, they are not monkeys!
And by the way, Therapsids were technically not reptiles. They were "Mammal-like Reptiles"! Possessing features such as thermoregulation, multiple kinds of teeth, an fur meant they really did not qualify as a "reptile", certainly no the type we think of today.
N00bcrunch3r 11 months ago
@N00bcrunch3r well therapsids are the reptillian precursors for mammals like theropods are the reptillian precursors for birds, The closest thing alive today to the old therapsids are monotremes like the platypus. All the other therapsids either died out or became mammals ^_^
PinkProgram 11 months ago
a robot brother...*
me:mom!
mom:yes
me:i broke my brother
seetaram24 1 year ago
3:32 Nanananana!
Jerbod2 1 year ago
i only see them as good propertey with feelings, I WANT ONE TO CLEAN MY ROOM!!!
kittylactose 1 year ago
it is aware.
Alyxm 1 year ago
HELL NO!It is a it.That isn`t a person.
Tyrik73 1 year ago
@Tyrik73 I'm an it... but I'm more of a person than many of you apes ^_^
PinkProgram 1 year ago
learn to say robot properly, like holy you work on them all day!
Georgeqaws 1 year ago
@Georgeqaws According to him, you say robot improperly
EmilyDreamed 1 year ago
wait were are u going...I was gunna make Esspreso
brucekirk89 1 year ago
I really want it to be like the robots in futurama, only the sex won't be as loud.
soulshadow75 1 year ago
The roads and cities are already crowded enough, so in the future it will what, be literally impossible to move around because of all the robots too?
pfarabee 1 year ago
I don't have a problem with robots , it's enough to pull one of his wires or shock him for now if he goes bad but ,the artificial intelligence is bad.You create an artificial mind , it stars seeing things , feeling things , a little things , it;s 0,1% of a human soul in that CPU and you kill it with a switch.They have feelings too people
TheKaos90 1 year ago
ok, WHO in the HECK would adopt a robot child???? people are going crazy
Toon999kinzpengwo 1 year ago
@Toon999kinzpengwo I would!!! :)
NejiHyuga900 1 year ago
Ok, here's the Deal:
We can have Intelligent Robots among us in the Future.
But they MUST Comply to the Following:
1> They must NOT have Emotions!
2> They must NOT have an Ego, and must Follow there Program as an Eternal Instruction Sheet. ;^)
DiogNewmen 1 year ago
Every video about robots on Youtube has several people blurting out "Skynet". It's getting old, put down something constructive.
VanKlaunch 1 year ago
Robots cant have human rights...Particularly because they are not human. But I have to say, Robots would be a great addition to society. Look at all the things some humans cant do...But a robot could...But...You also have to think on the boundaries of what would robots do? What happens if we make something super intelligent and it turns on its creators...Kinda like terminator...or Irobot. If robots do become a part of society...They should be easy to disable...Or weaponless. Movies scare me.
AlmostAwkward211 1 year ago
Wouldn't intelligent, self aware, and (perhaps) emotional robots be, essentially, human? We don't really know much about consciousness or intelligence, and AI research seems to be throttled - not by hardware - but by our efforts to reverse engineer and understand our own brains. If AGI that we would recognize (let alone accept into society) emerges from our understanding of our own brains, it's function would be rooted in our biological brain (by reproducing function or emergent from emulation).
Sinuev1 1 year ago
@Sinuev1
Be that the case, how could such a mind created be anything but - at the most fundamental level - human? Perhaps it won't function or replicate the human mind exactly... but would it not still represent (for greater capacity or lesser) the "next manifestation" of human intelligence? Would they not be a further branch of humanity, the same as we are still a branch of apes?
And if not, at what point in future human evolution will "human rights" be obsolete as descendant species emerg
Sinuev1 1 year ago
I am intimidated...All MEN were created equal...but robots were created better than man...I don't like it makes me uneasy I get this bad feeling in my stomach when I see this... and wait excuse me basic values robot's are not capable of emotion? I'm not sure.
Jacquelyn104 1 year ago
@Jacquelyn104
To my knowledge, there are some indications that sentience requires emotion. So if robots become smart enough to want freedom, they probably have emotions as well. Though those emotions can be radically different from human emotions.
Also people are only equal in freedom and intristic value, capability is varied between humans.
Also I would like to remind you that we are not talking about any robots that are currently extant, but robots that may be built in the future.
DataEntity 1 year ago
@DataEntity I see your point but it sort of blurs our constitution. I am pretty sure that under raps somewhere they have meshed something with human DNA and I am sure that they are more advanced then they reveal to us because people will be replaced it's confusing for me to understand. Although I fully support animal rights...but I don't believe that my toy roboraptor needs any rights...It scares me Honestly I am scared of robots it is very intimidating ...
Jacquelyn104 1 year ago
I have never understood why some people are so hostile to the very idea of robot rights. It's not like freedom is a resource that needs to be managed and is spread too thinly if we give it to sentient robots. It's not like humans lose a measure of freedom, but rather that there are more entities that have freedom.
As such personally I feel that any entity with sufficient intelligence to comprehend freedom is entitled to it. With adjoining responsibilities ofcourse.
DataEntity 1 year ago
what if they find a way to rape us! :O ...just sayin
GohanDaBest 1 year ago
they should have rights but less rights gust in case
rertnercpa1 1 year ago
To answer this question think of Bicentennial man. Can a robot be considered a person? Can We consider something that isn't alive a person? Robots don't age, Robots don't die of disease. If it cannot reproduce then it's not alive. I'm sure eventually will create robots that can reproduce. But that is a long way off.
Crixe 1 year ago
@Crixe
So in your mind sterile people don't have rights?
DataEntity 1 year ago
@DataEntity Now that's an overstatement. Technically speaking they are just genetic defects they are still human born into life not constructed. You can't compare a living breathing human regardless of there ability to reproduce as an individual it's about the whole. A Robot is a robot it's programed unit it has no will of it's own it's all one programed. With all the terminator phobia going around I don't expect this will happen anytime soon.
Crixe 1 year ago
@Crixe
Intentionally so, I'm bit of a jerk in that way.
While I agree with your assesment to a degree, I will point out that usually when the issue of "Robot Rights" comes along we are talking about robots with a "strong AI."
Furthermore, should the social cost of giving robots rights be considerably less than depriving them of rights, why no just give them?
As to the terminator phobia, the Japanese for instance seem to think it's bullshit, as can be seen in thier ongoing research.
DataEntity 1 year ago
@DataEntity My point of view relates to Biology 101. A virus while able to reproduce is not considered a living thing without a host. So in the event that Robots become self aware I'm not saying we shouldn't give them rights but we aren't at that level yet. Japanese cutler and robots lately seem to be more geared to being servants then actual threat.
Crixe 1 year ago
@Crixe
And my point of view is that the consept of life is a human construct, grounded in reality yes, but a construct none the less. And like Stephen Hawking pointed out, by that metric, computer viruses are life as well.
But yes, I agree that we are quite far from any kind of a robot that might want rights.
Another thing that comes to mind, what if robots never want rights. Or after getting rights dont really alter their behaviour? Back on that in a bit.
DataEntity 1 year ago
@DataEntity But then again if you look anything into amine you'll notice robots and there impact on life has been drawn out time and again. So who's to say what will really happen. I only used the movie as an example ideally it would probably be to our benefit because if we make it smart enough then we might as well make a way to hold it responsible for it's actions. But that's assuming the robot makes mistakes it would become an android not a robot.
Crixe 1 year ago
@Crixe
By giving them rights and legal status. You can't sue a hammer, but you can sue a person.
The bit about robots not wanting rights is this;
Humans spend a lot of time wondering what is the reason they exist, what is their purpose. Robots should instantly know what they are made for, their reason to exist is self-evident.
They may be content with that and like in Bicetennial Man, only want freedom on a philosophical basis. Just food for thought.
DataEntity 1 year ago
@DataEntity Agreed.
Crixe 1 year ago
@DataEntity
Though it's interesting to note prior to "robot rights", what of ethics? We are "programmed" to feel many different kinds of suffering - such as physical pain which has separate components of avoidance reflex, sensation, and recognition. We can't help this evolutionary programming - so considering human rights may be quite a bit different than coming robot rights consideration, as we can "program" (to a degree) their (and perhaps our own) capacity and condition for suffering.
Sinuev1 1 year ago
I think robots never will become person. I believe much more in cyborgs
Mashyny 1 year ago
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I believe that a robot that is created and controlled by humans should not have its own special rights but that dosent mean it should be mistreated aswell, But if robots where given artificial intelligence and could think and act by itself then it should be given rights, responsibilities and be treated like our equals.
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kuioli123 1 year ago
Of course robots will never be "human", but how different from us will they be that they won't deserve to have rights? From the day we are born we learn, just like robots will (only at a much faster rate). Humans are pre-programmed with expression, emotion, movement, and robots will be too. The only difference between human and robot will be our chemistry so in the end it may just boil down to an ethnic dilemma.
localdog 1 year ago
Robots definitely don't deserve human rights, they're just fucking plastic, metal, and circuit boards. NOT HUMAN!
jeremiah77769 1 year ago
@jeremiah77769. Well plastic.. that's carbon. Same stuff as us. The thing is we have a soul. That's what makes us human right? Maybe it will turn out that we can't make real AI because the robots won't have souls.
But here's the thing. What if they do work? What if they are completely indistinguishable from humans? What if they do have values and interests and ideas? What if they love and hate? What will that mean? What will that mean for who we are and how we think about ourselves?
grantfaceclaw 1 year ago
but if we one day have robots that have human level intelligence, then how do we justify making them do all these jobs for us without pay? would we have to pay them? and with what? batteries? fuel cells???
Nickstradamus 1 year ago
I cannot imagine robots that are worse than the douche bags making comments on this video.
pgdevil 1 year ago 13
One soul, one mind, we are all one divided by our bodies.
nat6660 1 year ago
If you consider your-self as a machine with no soul, you're a dumb-ass.
ToddWalther 1 year ago
@ToddWalther Please provide evidence for this thing you call "soul."
pgdevil 1 year ago
some say he is a robot made by the japanese ALL WE KNOW IS HES CALLED THE SIG lol
ThomsonFly12331 1 year ago 15
lol hagenisse ur stupid
When [something] does [something] then [do something else]. ??
Game developers want dynamic AI's aswell, they dont want static "robots", they want their creatures decisions to be based on logics.
The AI on a robot or in a Game is about the same thing, only in a game the robot is a 3D model instead of some kind of material :>
Patrik911217 1 year ago
Slaves did ALL the work in Ancient Rome and we'll never ever hear from them...
Romashk 2 years ago
Making AI for games, programs, etc. is VERY hard, but-
It's also very simple.
When [something] does [something] then [do something else].
If robots/machines are going to have such AI similar to the human brain, it must be able to create it's own variables, scripts, etc.
I am VERY sure that no programmer have made that much progress.
It would also be better, smarter, stronger than every living creature.
We don't want someone with the possibility to take control over us, hm?
hagenisse 2 years ago
AI i think is the worng way to go.because its basicly memorey with reactions.....we need to find out how to make an living processor that can learn how to fix problems
ps3scott 1 year ago
cyberdyne systems model-101
vipe75 2 years ago
someone will steal that shit, and run
wartortle577 2 years ago 2
Skynet, here we come.
Shadowhog 2 years ago 20
FUCK YEAH!!! DUDE =)
demek420 2 years ago
@Shadowhog The future is not set there is no fate but what we make for ourselves.
gaboon01 1 year ago
@Shadowhog More like I robot.
Crixe 1 year ago
@Shadowhog thats what i think of EVERY time i see something like this...and i Robot too.
ZombieWolfeh 1 year ago
@Shadowhog actually, i believe Microsoft will me a major piece of robot tech
thepkey 1 year ago
@thepkey Can't wait to see the red ring of death on that one.
PhantomRonin 1 year ago
@PhantomRonin oh man, I broke another one! GET THE TOWELS!
EmilyDreamed 1 year ago
The guy at 3:15 looks alot like a danish TV reporter (sort of) called Jackob Stikkelmand!
ragnaros100 2 years ago
Ok I like to listen to actual computer scientists about where the robotics will be 10-20 years from now. Not some "Science Fiction" author like David Brin who have no idea what they are talking about. Sure, Robotics might replace humans in some dirty jobs (who wants to be a janitor?), which is a good thing, they might even make cute pets/ children (more like a house assistant, a helpful machine), but they will never have the same place in society as humans, they don't "think" or have a concius
thelegendarypaki 2 years ago
im ok with robotics in fact i ENCURAGE them. But these guys oh! these guys ARE INSANE CRAZY LUNATICS I WOULD NEVER TRUST A ROBOT TO DIRECT ME ON A PLANE
753375shadow 2 years ago 2
@753375shadow planes already ARE robots...
TheKetsa 2 years ago
3:21 lol android americans X3
ZerqTM 2 years ago
I can't believe what the people in this video are saying! Robots can be people? Robots will be raised in the place of human children? Robots with human rights? Haven't these people watched "Terminator"? We ask for our own destruction if we continue to progress with this course of action. Man builds robots in order to make its life easier. Not to destroy itself. These roboticists who support robot rights need to venture outside and get some fresh air....
ImperatorDerGalaxis 2 years ago
Ok people, let's not read into Terminator that much now! Current Machine Intelligence is really very far from anything of that level. In fact, the most advanced Robots have the collective intelligence of an young infant, it is very likely that we will need to teach robots how to live in our world in harmony!
Have a look at Leonard the Robot, Kismet the Robot, the iCub Robot, Nao Robot and Nexi the Robot as a start. How do I know this? I'm doing a PhD in Non-Linguistic Human-Robot Interaction.
robingread 2 years ago
but tell me what level is their Intelligence at? they are absolutely nowhere they cant think they cant learn. just programmed to "do this if that is like that" how can it THINK i cant imagine
BeeefyBeast 2 years ago
@robingread I know, these people (including the guy in the video) have no idea how machines work. Maybe a course or two in computer science will make them a little less incompetent.
thelegendarypaki 2 years ago
next phase of human evolution...brought to you by our own race...
jskim1 2 years ago 2
I want a robot wife.
ParaBokGibiHuzurYok 2 years ago
I want human children I am never going to "adobt" a robot and raise it as my kid!
ARSA525 2 years ago
If people are so against machines then why do we as a human race use them on a daily basis. For example.. you watched this video on your computer ...and that's ok... it's ok to drive your car to work and to use machines to make our jobs easier and daily life... I think this concept is pretty amazing and interesting. If you are against machines... stop using them in your daily lives.
Antievery1 2 years ago
because there is a threshold. you use a bow to hunt, youre still using a machine. people who are against machines believe technology is advancing too fast that it is overwhelming our conscience
sonnetxi 2 years ago 2
I understand if scientis make robotleg to someone who has lost bodypart...but I hope they don`t go too far making these things.
Piikana 2 years ago
.. sigh..
Useless.. we dont need robots.. we dont need relations and interaction.
If u need someone to carry your bags from the shop, adapt a segway... u dont need a robot. Keep things to their task i'd say
hygaradon 2 years ago
Can a Robot Be a Person? NO
UberThink 2 years ago 3
wtf most stupid vid ever... Machines cant ever have emotions unless they want to...
wendhug 2 years ago
well, what about astroboy? lol
NuggetsOfRivendell 2 years ago
lol
wendhug 2 years ago
Why would we want to make them is the question? How does this help us? If we make robots that think and can work harder than us then what? I could lose a job to a piece of metal? It doesn't exactly have kids to feed. The only logical conclusion of making perfect machines, would only be making ourselves obsolete.
metalictempest 2 years ago 2
This is cool, but really, why do we need these humanoids? Isn't it much easier to just hang with real humans??
PanceApplegate 2 years ago 3
Evolve means "develop gradually".
What's interesting about them being machines is that they can achieve something much faster than evolution will lead you to believe.
Caleb1915 2 years ago 3
they cant be a person person or humans grow age and die robots will either get broke or run out of battery
ibradlee 2 years ago
Omg don't scientists know if they make them to intelligent they will evolve more and may not want us to boss them around.
XxJamesxX21 2 years ago
I'm a real boy
connn2 2 years ago
A machine having human rights?! Humans don't even have human rights! Particularly in China.
But damn. I want a robot, i'm tired of being an inch deep in floor dust covered with last month's clothing. - -"
hosweetim89 2 years ago 28
we all seen irobot people
spyderwebbfang 2 years ago
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these people are probably social derelicts. Nobody wants to be my friend.........I'm gonna go make a robot.....pathetic
JDMGTP 2 years ago
not really they already have robotic copanion-ship now there making "slave robots" that are like humans but they have no human needs no need for sleeping, eating, showering or other stuff like that
Yukipopful 2 years ago
I think it's cool and all that but they will never replace humans for companionship. A robot is a souless creature.
JDMGTP 2 years ago
But there making robots exactly like humans they will have thoughts and fellings but there not just programs or softwear there they will have there own thoughts wich is bad, what is the point of having somthing to do things for you but can have the chocie not to, i think were making these robots just to see if we can.
Yukipopful 2 years ago
I agree, the will be able to simulate a human very well. It is a good and a bad thing. We've all seen the movies.
JDMGTP 2 years ago
thats why they are movies... not real life but personaly im all for A.I!^^
jessicamonty 2 years ago 3
armageddon? ringing?
crazyryan 2 years ago
lol look the rate of your comment.
People seem to not liked it or you - maybe you should build yourself a friend ;)
Huh?
Quuob 2 years ago
haha......sorry I have real friends, not amaginary you tube friends bitch
JDMGTP 2 years ago
Yeah, rigth what i expected.
But whatever sucker. whatever
Quuob 2 years ago
no matter what, there probaly gonna start living in our society even if they have no feelings they will learn how to feel from copying the plp around the robot, say if a man punches another man and the man that got punched gets an angry expression the robot will copy that if he gets hit. well thats my opionion
lolman12334 2 years ago
This is wrong. Robots don't feel, they think. We can decide what they think. And "Normal" people better accept that they come. Don't go insane!
Bidmartinlo 2 years ago
Noooo. I didn't even know that they made a movie from it... Was it a good one?
RaychSeldon33 2 years ago
It 's brilliant (well, I think it is...you may not agree with me...but then again, you might love it). It has the same name..."Bi-Centennial Man". It is a Colunbia Pictures production, released in 1999. You could probably buy it on the net somewhere. I found it on sale at Kmart (I thinK). a while back.