BooBoo and SickMouth Debate, and Typing Sounds, pt. 3

[iamcuriousblue]

@25:00 They refer to that as "domestic sex trafficking", which sounds like an odd term.

My position on the issue: I'd like to throw out the term "human trafficking" altogether for two reasons. 1) The term emphasizes movement of persons rather than force, and it is the latter where the problem lies. I'd like to put the emphasis on forced labor, no matter what the origin of the worker/slave.

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[iamcuriousblue]

2) Human trafficking gets defined however the fuck those writing the laws or defining the "problem" want it to, which is why so many definitions treat all sex work as "trafficking" by default. That's another reason why those of us on the pro-sex worker side argue against ("deny") trafficking numbers, because the definitions themselves are so fucking problematic. That does not mean, however, that we deny that forced labor is a real problem that needs to be combated.

[iamcuriousblue]

Booboo grossly overstates *her* case when she compares the other side to Holocaust deniers. The Holocaust is a very well-documented piece of history. The numbers thrown out about trafficking are, at best, guesswork, and more often, reckless disregard for actual facts. When called on to back these claims up, abolitionists can't do it (as was shown in the reaction to the Village Voice article on trafficking numbers), unlike proponents of standard Holocaust history.

[GoingRampant]

Actually, "Holocaust denier" seems to be used here to mean someone "in denial", which is a misuse of the term. They aren't in denial so much as believing in a conspiracy theory that keeps them from having to feel sympathy toward Jews. There is nothing they can present to me to convince me that millions of Jews launched a conspiracy to get into positions of power, but I would characterize myself as skeptical rather than in denial. Skepticism grounded in reason is quite healthy.

[GoingRampant]

In my experience, Holocaust deniers make extremely vague accusations of a coverup, letting the anti-Semitics' minds fill in the blanks, and keeping others from being able to address a specific issue without sounding like they're rambling. Criticisms of prostitution studies are far more grounded, from what I've seen.

[SickMouth]

@GoingRampant Exactly! And Madame Boo Boo wasn't able to cite anything that any YouTube sex-positives have said where we deny trafficking... -_-

[SatanRobot]

Trafficking is the movement of anything for commercial purposes that is illegal..Booboo is trying to apply a general commercial term that is too broad for the narrow scope of the topic, thus she is able to deflect any real critique of her arguments. The problem with sex trafficking is that the women are too isolated.They do not have connections in the country or place they are working in. If it was legal, women/men could easily get connected the same as migrant workers in other fields of work.