"The oracles (of the Lord)" is a rather odd way to describe the Gospel of Matthew. It makes me wonder if Papias wasn't referring to another book altogether.
I've studied both the orthodox texts as well as the gnostic texts in previous years, but I still enjoy hearing your "take" on them. It's been stimulating. Thanks.
@Hereticbooks Hey thank you! I've been looking for a quote that I've been missing. I saw somewhere where Apocalypse was related to Sophia. Can't remember where I saw that. If you have any ideas, lemme know. ;-D
Sophia, a greek word for "wisdom" is known in the ancient mystical jewish sects to be the female counterpart of God. I believe it's in the book of either psalms or proverbs, wherever "wisdom" speaks (and wisdom is referred to as "her/she") it is supposed to be the female counterpart of God. She speaks about being "with Him from the beginning," etc. Bearing in mind that early Judaism is ANYTHING but monotheistic.
@Hereticbooks Right. There was something I saw, that seemed to say that Sophia birthed "Apocalypse." I can't remember where I saw that, though it makes quite a lot of sense.
@Xoroaster I'm not sure what's causing it, but I thinks it's highly contagious since I just found myself typing "Niribu" into Google to find out what it was. Whatever the cause, Rick Perry will take care of it. ;)
@TylerOmega I haven't heard of that person I suppose. I've seen truthsurge do some videos on the subject. To me, it would make quite a lot of sense. Though, I would suggest comparing Homer to Marcion.
Mark and Marcion share the same timeline roughly, and they share a lot of the stories. The biggest difference is; Mark is more Apocalyptic, and Marcion probably has slightly more stories. But a Marcion-Homer connection, would make all kinds of sense.
Well, I read some, not all of Papias. I'm I right in He is speaking as word has been brought to him? What does that say about the truth of what he say's? To me it makes no sense. Why is he even in the Picture of things?
@gettingolder2 Papias is a volatile mixture. First, he says he's a "hearer" and obviously he's a "writer." He says he'd rather get his info from the "living word" rather than books. Second, he uses an inaccurate argument for validity of Mark. He had to know that Mark was apocalyptic.
The accuracy of Papias is irrelevant, except that he should have known better. In essence, he lied. And, Papias follows a very odd post-Bar Kokhba apocalyptic theology.
@Xoroaster Thank you for your reply, so quick. You say Papias lies. Go figure. I think the whole Bible's theme is built on lies. Sure makes you wonder why it has such a big following. Well, I await you next Video. I do enjoy them.
@gettingolder2 I think Mark and Matthew hold the answer to "why it became so big." Before Mark, the only theologies there, looked a lot like all the other Mystery religions. Mark and Matt introduce a human flesh aspect, that Mithras, Isis, Dionysus, could never possibly achieve. At that point, Jesus became a "historical magic man" rather than a nebulous superstition based in Light and/or Spirit.
"The leper"? Not a real leper?
BjornSeverinLarsen 1 month ago
@BjornSeverinLarsen lol. His name was Steve. Steve the Leper. ;-D
Naw, I'm still trying to classify all the healing scenes, but the theme of healing appears to be metaphorical.
Xoroaster 1 month ago
"The oracles (of the Lord)" is a rather odd way to describe the Gospel of Matthew. It makes me wonder if Papias wasn't referring to another book altogether.
EruditeScythian 1 month ago
@EruditeScythian "The exposition of the oracles of the Lord" is the book that Papias wrote. That's where the fragments come from, supposedly.
Xoroaster 1 month ago
I've studied both the orthodox texts as well as the gnostic texts in previous years, but I still enjoy hearing your "take" on them. It's been stimulating. Thanks.
Hereticbooks 1 month ago
@Hereticbooks Hey thank you! I've been looking for a quote that I've been missing. I saw somewhere where Apocalypse was related to Sophia. Can't remember where I saw that. If you have any ideas, lemme know. ;-D
Xoroaster 1 month ago
@Xoroaster
Sophia, a greek word for "wisdom" is known in the ancient mystical jewish sects to be the female counterpart of God. I believe it's in the book of either psalms or proverbs, wherever "wisdom" speaks (and wisdom is referred to as "her/she") it is supposed to be the female counterpart of God. She speaks about being "with Him from the beginning," etc. Bearing in mind that early Judaism is ANYTHING but monotheistic.
Hereticbooks 1 month ago
@Hereticbooks Right. There was something I saw, that seemed to say that Sophia birthed "Apocalypse." I can't remember where I saw that, though it makes quite a lot of sense.
Xoroaster 1 month ago
The thing you forgot at the end was the third agency of government you'd get rid of. ;)
suniseclipsed 1 month ago
@suniseclipsed lolz, probably. So much gov't, so little time. Can I eliminate the one that's causing people to mention the idea of Nibiru?
That's the first time I've ever typed the word "Nibiru." And the second time. ;-D
Xoroaster 1 month ago
@Xoroaster I'm not sure what's causing it, but I thinks it's highly contagious since I just found myself typing "Niribu" into Google to find out what it was. Whatever the cause, Rick Perry will take care of it. ;)
suniseclipsed 1 month ago
Have you read MacDonald's, "Homeric Epics and the Gospel of Mark"?
The parallels between Jesus and Odysseus are "dense and sequential" as MacDonald puts it. Including the secretive nature of both characters.
I'm looking for some scholarly opinions.
TylerOmega 1 month ago
@TylerOmega I haven't heard of that person I suppose. I've seen truthsurge do some videos on the subject. To me, it would make quite a lot of sense. Though, I would suggest comparing Homer to Marcion.
Mark and Marcion share the same timeline roughly, and they share a lot of the stories. The biggest difference is; Mark is more Apocalyptic, and Marcion probably has slightly more stories. But a Marcion-Homer connection, would make all kinds of sense.
Xoroaster 1 month ago
Remember next time!
Mectrixctic 1 month ago
@Mectrixctic Yeah, I try to do these videos without a script. Might have to at least put down a couple notes on these things first.
Xoroaster 1 month ago
To me these videos are criminally under viewed. They are so damned educating.
xTheFurryAthiestx 1 month ago 2
Well, I read some, not all of Papias. I'm I right in He is speaking as word has been brought to him? What does that say about the truth of what he say's? To me it makes no sense. Why is he even in the Picture of things?
gettingolder2 1 month ago
@gettingolder2 Papias is a volatile mixture. First, he says he's a "hearer" and obviously he's a "writer." He says he'd rather get his info from the "living word" rather than books. Second, he uses an inaccurate argument for validity of Mark. He had to know that Mark was apocalyptic.
The accuracy of Papias is irrelevant, except that he should have known better. In essence, he lied. And, Papias follows a very odd post-Bar Kokhba apocalyptic theology.
Xoroaster 1 month ago
@Xoroaster Thank you for your reply, so quick. You say Papias lies. Go figure. I think the whole Bible's theme is built on lies. Sure makes you wonder why it has such a big following. Well, I await you next Video. I do enjoy them.
gettingolder2 1 month ago
@gettingolder2 I think Mark and Matthew hold the answer to "why it became so big." Before Mark, the only theologies there, looked a lot like all the other Mystery religions. Mark and Matt introduce a human flesh aspect, that Mithras, Isis, Dionysus, could never possibly achieve. At that point, Jesus became a "historical magic man" rather than a nebulous superstition based in Light and/or Spirit.
Xoroaster 1 month ago
@Xoroaster Yep, I think you are right. If Jesus did his magic today in Africa, he might get killed for being a Witch.
gettingolder2 1 month ago