The beauty of Atheism is that we are able to disagree with each other and we decide for ourselves what is wrong and right. So basically Atheism wouldn't have any commandments.
I don't think that all atheists agree on one set of values. We aren't centralized, we don't have meetings to agree on view points. So I think that your challenge is a little silly.
to conclude my little rant, maybe its the lack of cammandments, that make atheists moral, maybe the lack thereof makes us think about our actions and evaluate them, making our choices so much better, so my ten commandments are void.
They say: there are no atheists in foxholes, thats probably true, since atheists don't like to go to war, they also say: there are no atheists in prison, thats probably also true. the question is ofcourse, why is the world like that, could it be possible, that religious people do not hold the moral highground? All one has to do is to look at the countries that have a majority of atheists and compare the statistics and one will have to conclude that atheists are morally superiour.
I'm not in any agreement to a solid 10 commandments for everybody.Which ever category you fall under.Were all different people,so what works for one person varies, person to person.I hold no hope in an after life,believe it decreases the significance of this one life.That's how I hold gratitude that this may be my only chance.All religions are just moral guidance systems.Morals are just words defining right or wrong.I don't need religious guidance to tell me what works for me.Ethics.
9.Don't stop believing in god if it makes you happy or if it gives you some kind of false hope or a warm feeling inside, because being an atheist makes me feel that way <3
an 10. i will not do, there is not 10 , because 10 feels a little too perfect for me, why did there have to be 10 commandments and not 3 or 7? it is a little bit too convenient for me, lol
4.uhm Thou shall admit that there is slavery in your bible? lol
5.Thou shalt not believe in talking snakes?
6.Thou shalt agree that if Adam an Eve were the beginning of humanity then we are all HEAVILY interbred.
7.Thou shalt explain to me that if Noah was the only human on the boat then how the fffff did he repopulate the world (and yes i know nothing about religion lol)
atheism is not a religeon, it is the denial of religeon. we are not held to a certain rules that we all have to folow. what we do in life is based purely on our own decisions. but i can give you something everyone can agree on. THE COMMANDMENT: DON'T BE IGNORANT.
@lulz4KoKane atheism does not treat itself like a religion. you do. atheism is not a religion, not a cult, there is no admision test, there are no rules or commandments or anything in that fashion. however, atheists can, and some do create COMMUNITIES, which might have rules, or admission tests, follow certain cults or whatever, but not any of those are inherent to the atheism. You are atheist if you dont believe in any god. Atheism doesn't even exist. it's not a ism. no dogma, no anything else
>Atheism doesn't even exist. it's not a ism. no dogma, no anything else.
That is quite a big contradiction, is it? You should know what you are saying before you make yourself sound like a idiot, maybe look in the mirror a bit? btw I'm agnostic.
@lulz4KoKane the common usage of the sufix. It's a -ism if you refer atheists share the principle of not believing in any god.
Yet the common usage is the "belief or movement" part (and you seem to use the -ism on atheism because of this), which atheism is not. Please clear why you said that atheism treats itself like a religion and I might reconsider my oppinion about your idiocy
@lulz4KoKane "What I was saying ... It's a -ism if you refer atheists share the principle of not believing in any god." Quote from myself, I already given that. I wasn't objecting to the definition of atheism, but to the use and meaning you are attributing to the word. It was pretty clear in my last comment... And still you had not cleared why "atheism threats itself like a religion". Also the first definition you presented is wrong, the second is more acceptable.
@lulz4KoKane "What I was saying... It's a -ism if you refer atheists share the principle of not believing in any god" I had already giving that. Had you read my comment, you would had realized I approved the -ism part of atheism, but for a different reason and it does not imply what you seem to be attributing to it that "Atheism treats itself like a religion", and I will ask you again to argue for that. Also, the first definition you presented is wrong, the second is more acceptable.
@lulz4KoKane Also, if you do not address once and for all to my objection about your statement "Atheism treats itself like a religion" I will not reply anymore, because otherwise this discussion will never get to anywere.
The proper way to do this would be pointing attriubutes or features or anything about atheism that makes it fit the definition of religion. Also, even if it were a religion, how is it that "[it] treats itself like a religion"?
You believe the bible Eh well here are some other fictional readings you might get a kick out of there's little red riding hood humpty dumpty harry potter God is just a make believe way of manipulating people we made him up like the boogy man three little pigs ponochio mother goose shit like that
Life is too complicated and unpredictable to have some set of rules... It will always cause dilemas. Example: Is it wrong to kill someone? Sure. Is it wrong to kill someone in self defense? NO! If something is the only way to survive it can´t be considered wrong. Rules that are working must be as generalized as possible. I think that ideal "set of commandments" is Wiccan rede (and I´m atheist, not wiccan): "Do what you will, so long as it harms none" That covers pretty much everything.
1 go 2 fuck 3 yourself 4 you 5 christian 6 "high 7 horsed" 8 dip 9 shit 10 man You act like all christians are better and have the same morals. i know plently of very messed up people who fuck their strippers and jerk off to porno on saturday and bring their whole fucking family to church. you are a hypocrit. go spent some time by yourself on a mountain and actually think about what you think is right, not what your dumbass parents told you what to believe you panzy
atheists commandment 1. there is no god. 2. religious people are mentaly unstable. 3. the bible is just a made up book 4. think logicaly. 5. religion is one of the main roots of evil. 6. religion should outlawed. 7. live life with out being afraid. 8. all religions are equally ignorant. 9. SLEEP IN ON SUNDAYS. 10. dont hate people because of their religion. understand that then are suffering from a mental illness and try to help them see stuff clear.
Gee... atheism isn't a philosophy at all, and therefore there is no need for atheist commandments. There is no atheist morality or code. It just means you don't believe in a god. That's all there is to it. A communist atheist and a libertarian atheist would have very different answers to your question. Take a peek outside your box once in a while.
Okay, here goes :) Ten Godless commandments for the modern world. Obviously, just like the original ten, they are conditional on not breaking the prior commandments (Like Asimov's laws of robotics):
1) Thou shalt not harm people, or make them suffer psychologically or physically.
2) Thou shalt not deprive people of a good life through murder.
3) Thou shalt not engage in non-consensual sexual behaviour.
4) Thou shalt respect people's autonomy and individuality...
Christians don't agree on the 10 commandments because they're undeniable moral truths, they agree because their religion says they HAVE to agree. It's what their God wills, and their God's morality is put before their own.
nothing can be added?... ... isnt rape not included?... and the first 4 are so important why?. not moral. no advancement in any secular way... just suck up to god
1. Do not do anything that directly or indirectly causes harm to another human being, including destroying their environment or jeopardizing their happiness and sanity.
2. Always remain faithful to the pursuit of truth at any cost.
3. Do your best to fulfill your potential in your chosen station in life.
4. Take care of your body.
5. Do not impose your standard of morality on others. Unless someone is in violation of Commandment #1, let them make their own choice
There's only 1 commandment that matters and it's the one that no religious leader, salesman, lawyer, politician, business owner, parent, teacher or even theist (and yes even most atheists) could ever follow :
One could also say "money is the root of all evils". Does this mean we should avoid money? I think that good intentions is the important thing when it comes to life.
Sorry freek but I feel its unfair to label what atheist hold important.
The purpose of atheism is that you're free from the bonds of religion and to give certain rules to atheism I feel would cheat the value of what we have, The right to decide individuality, what we feel is right.
A non-believer couldn't possibly think up 10 separate morals by which to live their lives, simply because the bounds of our society far exceeds those which were present around the time these 10 commandments were supposedly handed down to us... 10 would be too vague and hundreds would be called laws :)
So basically, society has already agreed upon a fair set of rules by which we all live and these are the atheist's commandments. For reference, check out any law book.
i share the same sentiments as zuggernaut666. how can you subject all people to your christian beliefs by saying they do not "believe in god", and therefore are a lesser being, if they do not believe that a god even exists. another thing you imply is that atheists are immoral, atheism and porno have no relevance together. you are simply bringing up negative controversies and associating them with atheism to justify your personal opinion.
atheism isnt "not believing in god" its "believing that no god exists" there IS a difference there. and myself being a part of this group was actually raised christian. the fact is now i dont care about afterlife nor do i indulge in all of lifes pleasures all the time like satanists want. i do however see a few of the 10 commandments as reasonable, as well as some satanic commandments too. also, the christian god is the same as the jewish and muslim god. if you denounce allah you denounce yaweh
Atheism doesn't offer anything to believe in, not every atheist follows the same rules or moral code. Just because they don't believe in a god doesn't mean that they won't kill their mother, just like just because they don't believe in a god doesn't mean that they'll help a stranger or a poor person.
i may do a video response..but off the top of my head...get rid of coveting...coveting is fine...as long as it doesnt progress to actual deeds in real life (if u give me the beleifs or thoughts lead to badness, so its bad, then u need to get rid of islam, and any religious belief that makes someone do something bad in their religion...kill an abortion doctor). the first 3 as carlin says...get rid of em. if u dont blv in god, then those dont count. (u go to church on saturday or sunday?)
The only thing atheists are united in is that they dont believe in an all mighty being. We interpret things different than organized religion and arent bound in any way. But hey why not, heres MY 10: 1. Dont kill 2. Dont steal 3. Dont rape 4. The golden rule 5. dont discriminate 6. Tolerance of all who follow these 10 7. Contribute to Mankind 8. Give 100% in everything you do 9. Help thy Neighbor 10. Believe in any god you want that doesnt promote hatred or contradict these rules. =]
Commandment 9 FIXED: "Thou shall go out and do good to the world now, rather then praying for god to do it for you."
Commandment 8 FIXED: "Thou shall be good to they fellow man out of principle, not for fear of punishment from an Absentee father figure if you are not."
last two are contradictory: Reason being; Qoute: " There are 2 rules I live by: I never kill someone without a reason, and you can always find a reason to kill someone"
new 10: Premium gas. Always. The ethanol eats the plastic
It's funny that the most prevalent argument I've seen atheists use on these videos are "good and evil are subjective", yet here you stand, claiming good and evil are impossible to be confused.
There are different factions of atheist. Much like different factions of religions, not christians, religions. These factions are so different that it would be almost impossible to gather every atheist's thoughts and opinions into ten. It would be like putting a christian in with a Muslum, a Jew, and a Buddhist together and say, "create laws that each god would agree with." The problem is that religious believe that all atheist are militant atheism, there are different factions of atheism.
The 1st commandment excludes other religions, as well as atheists.The 1st commandment has nothing to do with morals. In fact, the st 4 do not break any moral codes that would do any actual harm to a fellow human being, except if you are a christen and you teach your children of hellfire. Thou shall not kill; except the Bush doctrine which advocates killing. Atheist live selfless lives, religious people live selfless lives, both are capable of living selfish lives, atheist no more than christens
One of the things atheists have in common is the fact that we have nothing necessarily in common. The fact that one atheist thinks that porn is 'immoral' and another does not is a testament to our ability to think for ourselves.
Personally I think we need only one commandment.
1) Do no harm upon others.
That's it. You can elaborate on that with
2) No matter how much it offends you.
Porn does no harm to anyone, if you don't want to look at it don't. The existence of porn does not harm you.
you cant really clump all athiests together..all people are different you cant just clump together a group of people just beacause they all belive (or dont believe) in something
This has to be the most ignorant "challenge" I have ever heard. Your commandments are based in religion. As an agnostic, I don't have a religion, therefore I have no "commandments." Who would be commanding me? Who would *I* be commanding if I made them up? What would give me the right to command anyone? And if we all, as atheists and agnostics agreed on 10 things we all thought were good ideas to live by, we wouldn't need to be commanded, compliance would be voluntary. Dumb Ass.
I like to think that some christians, like.... a lot of my family, are good people because they also want to be, not just because it's of their religion.
You domb fuck, JezuzFreak... x( ... you think atheists have some kind of agreement amongst each other? If you're atheist you will have the same moral standpoints on everything? 8|
Atheist means godless. That's where it ends. You can't read anything else into it, or you're just making a fool out of yourself.
I'd like to say the same thing about christians. God-fearing. They can and are different aside from that decision. Why else would there be so many sects that fight even among themselves?
Too bad you cant figure out out to interperet one of the cammandments about do unto your neighbor, bit. Im pretty sure any decent human, not just Christian, would concider those things to fall under that one
Yes, exactly, so people that are too dumb know how to play nicely with each other. Most land laws do not take kindly to murder and stealing. I suppose the "golden rule" is just incase you're too dumb to realise most humans want the same things as you.
So learn up or shut up. Dont act so juvenile. Its pretty unbecomming when the adults are trying to have a conversation when a child runs in throwing vulgarity into the air.
Vulgarity doesnt help you're argument :3 You're the one that decided that being condecending was a preferred tactic, or else you wouldnt have used it in your initial post. See? Even know you can't understand, or just blantantly refute "the goldedn rule" Why would specification make any difference such as rape when you're out to be right, rather than actually BE right.
Its not that I fail to inderstand your point, it's that your point is a strawman argument, so you've succesfully wasted both of our time trying to argue semantics.
1. Shall not Kill. 2.Shall not Steal. 3. Shall not rape. 4. Shall let Religious People keep there beliefs as you do. 5. People Can do whatever they want as long as they are not hurting others. 6. Shall Respect People for who they are. 7. Shall not to use violence. 8. Love thy everyone. 9. Shall respect everyone. 10. An eye for an eye will make us all blind. There is only 1 thing all atheist's agree on: God does not Exist.
I don't believe porn to be immoral. It's just people going at it. If you don't like it, don't watch. Get this, some people actually like it.
Your Ten Commandments are far from perfect and don't deserve to be a part of our law.
And third. For there to be ten commandments for all atheists, would mean that we all agree. The only guarantee you can have, at what all atheists share in common, is the lack of a belief in a diety(s). Not all of us share the exact same dogmatic beliefs.
Neither do theists. Why di you think there are so many religions? And in those religions, so many sects? Its because every single individual may agree one one thing (no god, jesus, budha, aliens) they can disagree elsewhere. Findamentally, everyone is different on some level.
The ten commandments might of been perfect when they were written but as time goes by peoples understanding of what is moral will change. People who hold on to the old ways threten the progresion of society.
It's clear when to kill! Have you not read about the stoning of gays, blasphemers, adulterers, etc.? Not just in self defense, those that don't share the same beliefs as you!
Have you read the new testament or do you just like to parrot andt-christians philosphy? "Treat others as you would like to be treated" is pretty much the lesson of the new testament, which is what Christians follow (usu, not always though). Its normally a personal decision as to whether or not the commandments include or disclude whatever you decipher the "golden rule" is
Most of us don't need or want "commandments." I can live my life without being ordered around, particularly by some mythological creation from the middle east several thousand years ago.
You actually can, especially if you live in a 1st world country. Whether you like it or now, those horrible, outdated rules happen to be in almost every land law. I dunno, maybe they just made sense. Or maybe it's a mass conspiracey take over of jesus freaks. Who knows these days.
Because sometimes people think doing the best your can includes stealing your neighbors tv and raping his wife and killing their kids in the process :<
I like to think people would like to be good people.... because its good, rather than the fear of an allmighty source taking you down for it. But it obviously doesn't work that way enough
I'm more agnostic, than atheist. I question the existance of the divine regularly, but I'm not religious in the least.
But I will say that I believe the 10 commandments are the ideal bases of any law, and if you look at the US, many laws are actually based on it. Why? Not just because -some- of our founding fathers were Christian. But because they're logical. We have the power to overturn laws based on the 10 Commandments. We just don't. WHy? Because they actually make sense.
1. We constantly have to question our society and culture in order to improve it; the day we are satisfied with the world in which we live is the day everything starts going downhil.
2. Everyone should be commited to expanding the collective knowledge of humanity, so we can create a more efficient future for the next generations.
3. We cannot trust others to sort out our problems for us, even God.
4. Even if we find something in our moral code illogical or pointless, we must abide by it.
4b. Disregard this rule, however, if you believe this is genuinely a threat to our wellbeing.
5. Do not judge others before getting to know them. We can learn a lot from other cultures and beliefs, including their pros and their cons.
6. People should have the freedom to do and believe what they want (providing this does not contradict Commandment No. 4) without being forced to take a certain view. They should also be allowed to broadcast these beliefs, without fear of discrimination.
10. Finally, we must all except that times do change, and social and moral issues develop throughout time. Individuals who stick to a single mindset are a threat to the progression of mankind.
There we go. It's a long list, but I've contracted it down as much as possible. To be honest, if I wrote my own Bible, I'd have a lot more than ten...
I think you need to look up the different types of christians there are. Atheist means a lack of believe in a divine being. Christian simply means follower of Christ. The church(there ARE different types) doesn't dictate to a vast community if Christians.
So, I'm going to speak as a human. We are all humans, regardless of Religion or no religion. You're being more harmful in that mindset than most of the Christians you lump together. Stop perpetuating ignorance. Stop social entropy
I did not say what I said in a literal fashion. When I said "church" I was referring to the different Christian communities that impose that extreme social consciousness on it's members, of which most all of them do.
Christian means follower of Christ? What does that even mean. You just said there are different types of churches; 10s of 1000s to be more specific. Which Christ?
My point was that u shouldn't think in black and white terms, in the way ur comment suggests, that all non-christians 3 diverse, & that Christians not. My point was that humans r a collective whether u like it or not. Most humans follow national/community laws (which largely DO agree with biblical laws) Gross generalization of human cultures w/ such incendiary comments is only promoting what u undermine. But ur allowed ur views.
Most chruches follow the teaching of christ. Thus Christian btw
Interpretation of the bible is usually what denotes your sect of Christianity. Follower of Crhist doesnt denote what Christ you follow, it denotes how you follow it, and what emphasis you put on your interpretation of passages.
5.) Do not be bigoted against people for things they cannot help
6.) Children must be schooled in logic, but they must also be taught to love, respect, and cherish others; that logic is not always the best or right avenue
7.) Do no teach children of religion. Let them decide for themselves when they are older
9.) If a crime is committed, the punishment should be proportionate and fitting to the crime; any special circumstances should be considered
10.) Children should come first as often as possible. No exspense should be spared to ensure they have proper education, health care, and the affections of loving parents
You seem sure that all Christians agree on the ten commandments, but have you ever considered the possibility that with so many Christians in the world, they may all be interpreting the ten commandments in their own fashion, perhaps without even realizing it? People have so many different ways of thinking about the world that whether there are ten commandments or not and whether or not a person believes they follow them, in the end they will choose to live in a way that reveals their identity.
Atheists don't necessarily agree on anything, except that we don't believe in any gods. And you know what? We don't have to. We're not organized, we're not all marching under the same banner, and we're not following any set of rules that tells us what we must say, do and think. Christians are, atheists are not. Christians are inconsistent because they are supposed to agree about everything amongst themselves, but atheists are not. Once again, you are projecting yourself onto us. Kindly stop.
Actually thats wrong, on a legal manner. Atheists are SUPPOSED to march under a banner and a set of rules that tell you hwo to at least humanely interract with society. That is, the law of the land. Hopefully you arent to upset that laws of the land tend to agree with, and/or are based off of religious laws (i.e. the 10 commandments). As humans, I could say we should agree amongst ourselves. Alas, all of us are inconsistant. Thus is the great diversity of mankind.
Atheism and obedience to the law of the land are two totally separate things. You can follow both, neither, or either one but not the other.
And I don't know where you live, but in the US, only two (maybe three) of the 10 commandments are represented in the law of the land. Prohibition against theft and murder, namely, and those have been prohibited by every civilized society for the past 5000 years. Christianity didn't invent the idea that murder and theft are bad things.
Atheism & obedience to the law, esp here in teh US, might be different things, but being atheist doesnt make u exempt of the law, and you're still part of the system, whether you like it or not. U still have to follow it, legally. & Im pretty sure assult (which includes rape, i.e. treat your neighbors bit) is concidered illegal, as well as larsonony (I.e. LYING). There r a lot of laws. Maybe u should read up on them before assuming only 2 of the 10 commandments are present in US laws.
Im in the U.S. too. I may not have gone to law school, but my mother has, and has worked in the court system the majority of her adult life, and it tends to rub off.
For the record, I never insisted that Christianity invented them. They just promotoe them. And, as a humanist myself, I dont really see anything with the 10 commandments if all its trying to do is encourage adults to play nice together.
I never said being an atheist exempts me from following the law. Actually Christians are the only ones who claim such an exemption. Assault isn't in the 10 commandments, by the way. I'm betting you don't actually know what the 10 commandments say.
The law of the land in the US is most definitely not based on Christianity, as I said: only two or three (depending on how you look at it) commandments are represented in the law.
Read up again my friend. Prove that not all ten commandments dont line up with more than two or three of the commandments. And you're right, assault is not covered in the commandments, but it doesnt support your argument that only a small amount of laws coellesce with the commandments. I gave examples. Maybe you should try instead of asserting oppinion as fact :3 Baseless arguments are usually thrown to the side. And show me a christian that throws law to the side over the commandments lol xD
Have no other gods before me - not a law Don't make idols - not a law Don't take God's name in vain - not a law Keep the Sabbath holy - not a law Honor thy father and mother - not a law Don't commit murder - is a law Don't commit adultery - not a law Don't steal - is a law Don't bear false witness against thy neighbor - not a law, unless you're under oath in a court of law Don't covet thy neighbor's wife or belongings - not a law There you go, two and maybe three of the 10.
Also, I'd like to take this time for 2 point. !st point, depending on the sect of faith some of those C's are lumped together, like the first two or three, or the last two or three.
2nd, these "moral" laws, I guess you could call them, can help prevent land laws, that do still happen to this day. Like adultery. If you don't want your neighbors wife or belongings, you're less likely to actually steal/fondle them. Variable ethics are sometimes helpful to certain individuals.
Um, dood, the ten commandments ain't for christians - they're for the jews. also there are way more than ten, but most of those aren't kept (don't put cheese on your meat plate! go poop outside of camp!)
Interesting that you would lump all atheists together as if there was some type of "atheist holy book" or something. Atheism is a lack of belief in a "god". It doesn't tell you anything else about any particular person.
Christians and other religious believers refer to "holy books" for knowledge and guidance. I like to refer to "common sense" as my way of navigating the world. You should try it sometime.
The beauty of Atheism is that we are able to disagree with each other and we decide for ourselves what is wrong and right. So basically Atheism wouldn't have any commandments.
Roy9030 3 days ago
Ok this actually sounds fun
1. Thou shall be Awesome, unless you don’t want to
2. Thou shalt look at ideas with a critical eye, unless you don’t want to
3. Thou shalt …. Just do whatever the fuck you want
Jhonathanial 3 weeks ago
I don't think that all atheists agree on one set of values. We aren't centralized, we don't have meetings to agree on view points. So I think that your challenge is a little silly.
EpicSkillz45 8 months ago
to conclude my little rant, maybe its the lack of cammandments, that make atheists moral, maybe the lack thereof makes us think about our actions and evaluate them, making our choices so much better, so my ten commandments are void.
RzzRBladez 9 months ago
They say: there are no atheists in foxholes, thats probably true, since atheists don't like to go to war, they also say: there are no atheists in prison, thats probably also true. the question is ofcourse, why is the world like that, could it be possible, that religious people do not hold the moral highground? All one has to do is to look at the countries that have a majority of atheists and compare the statistics and one will have to conclude that atheists are morally superiour.
RzzRBladez 9 months ago
I'm not in any agreement to a solid 10 commandments for everybody.Which ever category you fall under.Were all different people,so what works for one person varies, person to person.I hold no hope in an after life,believe it decreases the significance of this one life.That's how I hold gratitude that this may be my only chance.All religions are just moral guidance systems.Morals are just words defining right or wrong.I don't need religious guidance to tell me what works for me.Ethics.
acousticgrooven 1 year ago
9.Don't stop believing in god if it makes you happy or if it gives you some kind of false hope or a warm feeling inside, because being an atheist makes me feel that way <3
an 10. i will not do, there is not 10 , because 10 feels a little too perfect for me, why did there have to be 10 commandments and not 3 or 7? it is a little bit too convenient for me, lol
PEACE
AtheismFTW1988 1 year ago
8.Stop fear mongering children into believing they will ACTUALLY burn in hell for eternity if they do something 'bad'
AtheismFTW1988 1 year ago
okayyyy mine would be aimed towards Christians.
1.Stop sexism
2.Stop racism
3.Stop homophobia
4.uhm Thou shall admit that there is slavery in your bible? lol
5.Thou shalt not believe in talking snakes?
6.Thou shalt agree that if Adam an Eve were the beginning of humanity then we are all HEAVILY interbred.
7.Thou shalt explain to me that if Noah was the only human on the boat then how the fffff did he repopulate the world (and yes i know nothing about religion lol)
AtheismFTW1988 1 year ago
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AnkHknA 1 year ago
atheism is not a religeon, it is the denial of religeon. we are not held to a certain rules that we all have to folow. what we do in life is based purely on our own decisions. but i can give you something everyone can agree on. THE COMMANDMENT: DON'T BE IGNORANT.
panda0100 1 year ago
@panda0100 Atheism treats itself like a religion. Case and point: You.
lulz4KoKane 1 year ago
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nicocomerci 1 year ago
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nicocomerci 1 year ago
@lulz4KoKane atheism does not treat itself like a religion. you do. atheism is not a religion, not a cult, there is no admision test, there are no rules or commandments or anything in that fashion. however, atheists can, and some do create COMMUNITIES, which might have rules, or admission tests, follow certain cults or whatever, but not any of those are inherent to the atheism. You are atheist if you dont believe in any god. Atheism doesn't even exist. it's not a ism. no dogma, no anything else
nicocomerci 1 year ago
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>Atheism doesn't even exist. it's not a ism. no dogma, no anything else.
That is quite a big contradiction, is it? You should know what you are saying before you make yourself sound like a idiot, maybe look in the mirror a bit? btw I'm agnostic.
lulz4KoKane 1 year ago
The ones who are not idiots, point the contradictions they claim to exist.
you're the one who is, and sound like an idiot, and does not know what he says.
"Atheism treats itself like a religion" idiocy at it's best.
Sufix -ism:
-a principle, belief or movement
-a form of prejudice or discrimination, either for or against a group
-the defining attribute of a person or thing
-a disorder
What I was saying when I said atheism does not even exist was that it does not fit... (continues)
nicocomerci 1 year ago
@lulz4KoKane the common usage of the sufix. It's a -ism if you refer atheists share the principle of not believing in any god.
Yet the common usage is the "belief or movement" part (and you seem to use the -ism on atheism because of this), which atheism is not. Please clear why you said that atheism treats itself like a religion and I might reconsider my oppinion about your idiocy
nicocomerci 1 year ago
@nicocomerci
>It's a -ism if you refer atheists share the principle of not believing in any god.
a·the·ism
[ey-thee-iz-uhm]
–noun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no god.
2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
And by that definition, what you just said is a self-defeating argument.
lulz4KoKane 1 year ago
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@lulz4KoKane "What I was saying ... It's a -ism if you refer atheists share the principle of not believing in any god." Quote from myself, I already given that. I wasn't objecting to the definition of atheism, but to the use and meaning you are attributing to the word. It was pretty clear in my last comment... And still you had not cleared why "atheism threats itself like a religion". Also the first definition you presented is wrong, the second is more acceptable.
nicocomerci 1 year ago
@lulz4KoKane "What I was saying... It's a -ism if you refer atheists share the principle of not believing in any god" I had already giving that. Had you read my comment, you would had realized I approved the -ism part of atheism, but for a different reason and it does not imply what you seem to be attributing to it that "Atheism treats itself like a religion", and I will ask you again to argue for that. Also, the first definition you presented is wrong, the second is more acceptable.
nicocomerci 1 year ago
@nicocomerci
Well don't blame me for the definition, I just used what was in the dictionary.
lulz4KoKane 1 year ago
@lulz4KoKane a - theos, from greek "without god", sufix -ism : followers of a principle, belief or movement.
Therefore atheism: the "principle" of having no god
Having meaning accepting, believing etc
But it does not imply the denial of any god.
That's why that definition is wrong.
The common misusage of one word does not change it's meaning.
If you take a word (theos) and put a prefix and a sufix, the meaning derives from that convination.
If people or dictionaries say otherwise, they are wrong
nicocomerci 1 year ago
@lulz4KoKane Also, if you do not address once and for all to my objection about your statement "Atheism treats itself like a religion" I will not reply anymore, because otherwise this discussion will never get to anywere.
The proper way to do this would be pointing attriubutes or features or anything about atheism that makes it fit the definition of religion. Also, even if it were a religion, how is it that "[it] treats itself like a religion"?
nicocomerci 1 year ago
@nicocomerci
encyclopediadramatica . com / New_York_City_Atheists
lulz4KoKane 1 year ago
You believe the bible Eh well here are some other fictional readings you might get a kick out of there's little red riding hood humpty dumpty harry potter God is just a make believe way of manipulating people we made him up like the boogy man three little pigs ponochio mother goose shit like that
bartmatton 1 year ago
@bartmatton
belief (bɪˈliːf) — n
1. a principle, proposition, idea, etc, accepted as true (to deny this: you are a nihilist)
2. opinion; conviction ( varies/differs depending on idea, presentation, ect.)
3. religious faith (obviously)
4. trust or confidence, as in a person or a person's abilities, probity, etc (see above)
lulz4KoKane 1 year ago
Life is too complicated and unpredictable to have some set of rules... It will always cause dilemas. Example: Is it wrong to kill someone? Sure. Is it wrong to kill someone in self defense? NO! If something is the only way to survive it can´t be considered wrong. Rules that are working must be as generalized as possible. I think that ideal "set of commandments" is Wiccan rede (and I´m atheist, not wiccan): "Do what you will, so long as it harms none" That covers pretty much everything.
BlackCobraSK 1 year ago
No commandments
dumbzebra 1 year ago
theladel 1 year ago
shalakol 1 year ago
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6. Resolve all conflicts with kind words and passive resistance, not with violence.
7. Employ logic and rational thought in solving problems.
8. Learn all that there is to learn about the cosmos.
9. Be willing to share what you have learned with others.
10. Be prepared to discard any set of commandments that forces you to act in a way that you find morally repugnant.
DEricKesler 1 year ago
1. Be honest with others and be honest with yourself.
2. Know that you do not occupy your body, rather you are your body.
3. Enjoy and explore your body and your sexuality without shame or remorse.
4. Treat everyone, regardless of age, race, religion, nationality, gender identity or sexual orientation, with respect and empathy.
5. Show respect and empathy to those who are unable to show you respect and empathy.
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DEricKesler 1 year ago
Gee... atheism isn't a philosophy at all, and therefore there is no need for atheist commandments. There is no atheist morality or code. It just means you don't believe in a god. That's all there is to it. A communist atheist and a libertarian atheist would have very different answers to your question. Take a peek outside your box once in a while.
brynolf11 1 year ago
Okay, here goes :) Ten Godless commandments for the modern world. Obviously, just like the original ten, they are conditional on not breaking the prior commandments (Like Asimov's laws of robotics):
1) Thou shalt not harm people, or make them suffer psychologically or physically.
2) Thou shalt not deprive people of a good life through murder.
3) Thou shalt not engage in non-consensual sexual behaviour.
4) Thou shalt respect people's autonomy and individuality...
logician360 1 year ago
@logician360
5) Thou shalt not discriminate against people on the basis of gender, race, beliefs, sexuality or nationality.
6) Thou shalt defend those who cannot defend themselves from attack.
7) Thou shalt not destroy or move people's property without permission.
8) Thou shalt take care of the Earth for future generations.
9) Thou shalt not lie, or assert that which you cannot justify.
10) Thou shalt improve thine character through education and good works.
logician360 1 year ago
@logician360 That was really cool.
Timmujin 1 year ago
Christians don't agree on the 10 commandments because they're undeniable moral truths, they agree because their religion says they HAVE to agree. It's what their God wills, and their God's morality is put before their own.
roofpaint 1 year ago
nothing can be added?... ... isnt rape not included?... and the first 4 are so important why?. not moral. no advancement in any secular way... just suck up to god
NeverEnoughBall 1 year ago
1. No stealing is a pretty good one
3.Cheating is pretty counterproductive
4.Any kind of killing including war(Isn't Noah's ark a delightful story)
5.No Raping(Yeah god kind of promoted that one too)
6.I would say no slavery (God's not looking too good right about now
7.Thou shalt have good manners(being polite, non-confrontational,don't make fun of people ect. ect., no chewing with your mouth open, take baths =)
virtuosoikingpin 1 year ago
is it just me... or does this guy remind of a character on the simpsons... Flanders, that's right
refriedbeanbag 1 year ago
Sorry, I don't think there needs to be ten. There's 5 off the top of my head, and I think really only #1 is absolutely necessary.
arsepoetica71 1 year ago
In no particular order:
1. Do not do anything that directly or indirectly causes harm to another human being, including destroying their environment or jeopardizing their happiness and sanity.
2. Always remain faithful to the pursuit of truth at any cost.
3. Do your best to fulfill your potential in your chosen station in life.
4. Take care of your body.
5. Do not impose your standard of morality on others. Unless someone is in violation of Commandment #1, let them make their own choice
arsepoetica71 1 year ago
I'm sorry, "What morality do Atheists agree on?" is NOT the same as asking, "What morality to Christians believe in?"
Christianity is a religion, while Atheism is certainly not.
DrBruceBanner10 1 year ago
1. Do not kill, unless circumstances force you to do so.
2. Do not steal from others.
3. Be honest. Do not bear false witness against, or steal credit from, others.
4. Always do all that you can to help others, especially those less fortunate than yourself.
5. Do not look down upon, discriminate, or do injustice against someone else on the basis of sex, age, race, sexual orientation or ideology.
kevlonk 1 year ago
@kevlonk
6. Honour your agreements and promises. If you fail to do so, apologize and offer compensation or reparation.
7. Be courteous and polite to the best extent possible.
8. Treat your family members and friends like people: respect their needs.
9. Remember that you are mortal, and fallible, like everyone else. Do not look down upon, or hate, other people.
10, Where all else fails, listen to your conscience.
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kevlonk 1 year ago
There's only 1 commandment that matters and it's the one that no religious leader, salesman, lawyer, politician, business owner, parent, teacher or even theist (and yes even most atheists) could ever follow :
Tell the truth. Always.
From this one thing, all "evil" comes.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage "You can't handle the truth!"
One could also say "money is the root of all evils". Does this mean we should avoid money? I think that good intentions is the important thing when it comes to life.
Sorry freek but I feel its unfair to label what atheist hold important.
The purpose of atheism is that you're free from the bonds of religion and to give certain rules to atheism I feel would cheat the value of what we have, The right to decide individuality, what we feel is right.
MrMagicAddict 1 year ago
@MrMagicAddict Handling the truth is easy. Figuring it out is much harder...what with everyone lying to make money ;)
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
What 11th commandment do catholics have...?
Jackmonster3231 1 year ago
A non-believer couldn't possibly think up 10 separate morals by which to live their lives, simply because the bounds of our society far exceeds those which were present around the time these 10 commandments were supposedly handed down to us... 10 would be too vague and hundreds would be called laws :)
So basically, society has already agreed upon a fair set of rules by which we all live and these are the atheist's commandments. For reference, check out any law book.
FastFingeredEddie 1 year ago
@zuggernaut666 No you got that the wrong way around. A-theism, A being 'not' and theism being 'of belief in god'
chiffmonkey 1 year ago
Morality is subjective. Now go away.
chiffmonkey 1 year ago
i share the same sentiments as zuggernaut666. how can you subject all people to your christian beliefs by saying they do not "believe in god", and therefore are a lesser being, if they do not believe that a god even exists. another thing you imply is that atheists are immoral, atheism and porno have no relevance together. you are simply bringing up negative controversies and associating them with atheism to justify your personal opinion.
EligosPoltergiest 1 year ago
atheism isnt "not believing in god" its "believing that no god exists" there IS a difference there. and myself being a part of this group was actually raised christian. the fact is now i dont care about afterlife nor do i indulge in all of lifes pleasures all the time like satanists want. i do however see a few of the 10 commandments as reasonable, as well as some satanic commandments too. also, the christian god is the same as the jewish and muslim god. if you denounce allah you denounce yaweh
zuggernaut666 1 year ago
atheists follow their own common sense, logic, proven science. we dont need a set of written rules or commandments to follow to have a fulfilled life
WhereIsLisaTV 2 years ago
Atheism doesn't offer anything to believe in, not every atheist follows the same rules or moral code. Just because they don't believe in a god doesn't mean that they won't kill their mother, just like just because they don't believe in a god doesn't mean that they'll help a stranger or a poor person.
arikathezookeeper 2 years ago
Thou shalt not hurt anyone indirectly or directly.
thou shalt show love compassion and forgiveness at all times.
thou shalt not have blind faith.
jamescat1 2 years ago
For fucks sake people, stop making commandments. You do NOT represent atheism in any shape or form.
You're just making commandments which fits for an indivudial such as yourself, not for an atheist.
Fucks sake.
Yaymudkip 2 years ago
1. Do not hurt anyone in anyway
2. Follow the laws of your society
Thats the only two ruels you realy need
Diamondmaster93 2 years ago
There is no common ground in morality. It varies from person to person- hell, some people are devoid of morals, period (see nihilists).
xKingTakashix 2 years ago
You don´t get, what Atheism MEANS, right?
It just means, not to believe in GODS.
That is an EXCLUSION of a sort, that does not unify or so....
There is no Dogma.
There are atheists, that believe ib this, others in that, some find this more importatn, others that...
Try to UNDERSTAND the concept, Jezuzfreak!
martialme84 2 years ago
i may do a video response..but off the top of my head...get rid of coveting...coveting is fine...as long as it doesnt progress to actual deeds in real life (if u give me the beleifs or thoughts lead to badness, so its bad, then u need to get rid of islam, and any religious belief that makes someone do something bad in their religion...kill an abortion doctor). the first 3 as carlin says...get rid of em. if u dont blv in god, then those dont count. (u go to church on saturday or sunday?)
jpapan1 2 years ago
LennonLives4Ever 2 years ago
Atheism is not a religion. It is not bound by commandments. The only belief common among atheists is in the non-existance of god
Povojacketsupreme 2 years ago
An atheist dosent need commandments. most people can figure out for themselfs what is "bad" or "wrong". In the end, the human will always be selfish
kingcobralive 2 years ago
7. Thou shall only believe that which can be proven with evidence and is backed with reason.
8. Thou shall be kind to thy fellow man simply out of principle, not for fear of punishment from an absentee father figure if you do not.
9. Thou shall go to do good unto the world now, rather then waiting for God to come fix it yourself.
10. Thou shalt not condemn those for not following rules that your yourself disregard.
I'm 99.9 Percent Certain no Atheist will disagree with these. Thanks. ^_^
Hyperlot 2 years ago
Commandment 9 FIXED: "Thou shall go out and do good to the world now, rather then praying for god to do it for you."
Commandment 8 FIXED: "Thou shall be good to they fellow man out of principle, not for fear of punishment from an Absentee father figure if you are not."
Hyperlot 2 years ago
1. Thou shalt not believe statements that are based off ancient texts and have no logical backbone.
2. Thou shalt not cover up the acts of pervert Priests
3. Thou shalt not wage war based off your religious beliefs
4. Thou shalt not use god as an excuse for any crime.
5. Thou shalt not block scientific advancement, and by proxy the advancement of humanity, based off your beliefs.
6. Thou shalt not commit violence against against and enslave those who do not agree with your beliefs.
( Continued.)
Hyperlot 2 years ago
1: Pants are a key aspect in any Job interview. Always wear pants
2. Beer before liquor will result in serious consequences
3. Your mess, you clean it
4. Pay what you owe
5. Regret nothing, embrace everything
6. Know your enemies
7. They don't need to agree with you. Show respect for those who have no Honor
8. Don't get true coat
9. Never kill someone without a reason
10. always find a reason to kill someone
maverick2point0 2 years ago
last two are contradictory: Reason being; Qoute: " There are 2 rules I live by: I never kill someone without a reason, and you can always find a reason to kill someone"
new 10: Premium gas. Always. The ethanol eats the plastic
maverick2point0 2 years ago
The thing about athesim is that they are not really a united group like christians are. So of course they are not going to agree on everything.
Eeekxx 2 years ago
Don't what you don't want to be done to you. atheists don't agree on rules because they are not a group of some sort.
FierceRodents 2 years ago
morality is relative to the perspective of inviduals. there is no absolute morality.
burny6666 2 years ago
WOw. this guy is a moron.
MrJesusNazi 2 years ago
is it really that hard to tell right from wrong???
what is so hard about being good.....no nevermind. im stupid it is hard to be a good person. it really isn't though
haha
love everyone and everything
AlexPanacro 2 years ago
It's funny that the most prevalent argument I've seen atheists use on these videos are "good and evil are subjective", yet here you stand, claiming good and evil are impossible to be confused.
Zelrio28 2 years ago
@Zelrio28
i wish it was impossible to get them confused.
AlexPanacro 2 years ago
But if I had to choose any I would choose the Pastafarian "Eight I'd Rather you Didn'ts" From the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monter.
dramaticchord 2 years ago
There are different factions of atheist. Much like different factions of religions, not christians, religions. These factions are so different that it would be almost impossible to gather every atheist's thoughts and opinions into ten. It would be like putting a christian in with a Muslum, a Jew, and a Buddhist together and say, "create laws that each god would agree with." The problem is that religious believe that all atheist are militant atheism, there are different factions of atheism.
dramaticchord 2 years ago
The 1st commandment excludes other religions, as well as atheists.The 1st commandment has nothing to do with morals. In fact, the st 4 do not break any moral codes that would do any actual harm to a fellow human being, except if you are a christen and you teach your children of hellfire. Thou shall not kill; except the Bush doctrine which advocates killing. Atheist live selfless lives, religious people live selfless lives, both are capable of living selfish lives, atheist no more than christens
7926645 2 years ago
I can give you mine, but they won't fit into one post.
I do have a video on them though, only found this after I made that vid, which is a bit funny to me.
Oh well.
Check out my vid "My 10 Commandments" if you wanna find out.
TheAnMish 2 years ago
One of the things atheists have in common is the fact that we have nothing necessarily in common. The fact that one atheist thinks that porn is 'immoral' and another does not is a testament to our ability to think for ourselves.
Personally I think we need only one commandment.
1) Do no harm upon others.
That's it. You can elaborate on that with
2) No matter how much it offends you.
Porn does no harm to anyone, if you don't want to look at it don't. The existence of porn does not harm you.
TheMMaster2007 2 years ago
you cant really clump all athiests together..all people are different you cant just clump together a group of people just beacause they all belive (or dont believe) in something
iamsynystergates 2 years ago
"Thou shall not kill" and christians are generally the people who just love the people who fight wars so so much
algeeman 2 years ago
This has to be the most ignorant "challenge" I have ever heard. Your commandments are based in religion. As an agnostic, I don't have a religion, therefore I have no "commandments." Who would be commanding me? Who would *I* be commanding if I made them up? What would give me the right to command anyone? And if we all, as atheists and agnostics agreed on 10 things we all thought were good ideas to live by, we wouldn't need to be commanded, compliance would be voluntary. Dumb Ass.
msphatgirl72 2 years ago
Wow, great way to argue semantics xD
I like to think that some christians, like.... a lot of my family, are good people because they also want to be, not just because it's of their religion.
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
You domb fuck, JezuzFreak... x( ... you think atheists have some kind of agreement amongst each other? If you're atheist you will have the same moral standpoints on everything? 8|
Atheist means godless. That's where it ends. You can't read anything else into it, or you're just making a fool out of yourself.
devilsaddendum 2 years ago
I'd like to say the same thing about christians. God-fearing. They can and are different aside from that decision. Why else would there be so many sects that fight even among themselves?
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
1. Be open to new ideas and value others opinions.
2. decide for yourself who you are
3. Don't murder(killing somebody who intends to take several lives doesn't count)
4. Abide by natural human rights.
5. Learn
6. Experience
7. Don't let a book decide how fulfilling your life will be
8. Don't steal
9. Don't let a book decide when you are ready to have a healthy sex life
10. Have fun
MoonKittenJD 2 years ago
1: No stealing
2: No murder [specifically murder, as in the preemptive killing of another human being]
3: Abide by UN human rights & children's rights laws
That's really all there is. Human rights pretty much covers everything else
jamesryan864 2 years ago
1: Thow shall be honest and faithful the the provider of nookie.
2: Thow shall try real hard not to kill anyone unless of course that person does not pray to the same invisible man in the sky that you do.
BlackAppendix 2 years ago
I'm not atheist so, if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.
But I'm pretty sure atheists don't really have any agreements amongst themselves. All their morals and values are all personal oppinion.
hoodedbro1001 2 years ago
Only need one.
"Do unto others as you would have tem do unto you"
Often mistaken for a bible quote.
Easy huh, and it doesn't require a made up 'god' or a bronze age book with backward thinking in a modern technological world.
philthy122 2 years ago
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RA1208 2 years ago
i like the updated version of the golden rule better:
"do unto others as they would have done unto themselves, so that, in kind reciprocation, they will do unto you as you would have done unto yourself.
gguilford72 2 years ago
Christians following "The 10 Commandments". Thats the best irony ever.
Christians cant even agree whether Jesus owned the clothes on his back!
tehKap0w 2 years ago
Can't be improved?? Fucking idiot
Rape
Paedophilia
Slavery
Just to name a few you retarded piece of shit.
IMelkor42 2 years ago
Too bad you cant figure out out to interperet one of the cammandments about do unto your neighbor, bit. Im pretty sure any decent human, not just Christian, would concider those things to fall under that one
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
So murder and stealing need explicit laws, I guess because we're too dumb to figure those ones out. But all the others are implied in the golden rule?
Too bad you can't figure out how delusional you are
IMelkor42 2 years ago
Yes, exactly, so people that are too dumb know how to play nicely with each other. Most land laws do not take kindly to murder and stealing. I suppose the "golden rule" is just incase you're too dumb to realise most humans want the same things as you.
So learn up or shut up. Dont act so juvenile. Its pretty unbecomming when the adults are trying to have a conversation when a child runs in throwing vulgarity into the air.
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
Since you fail to understand my point for a second time, I won't go any further as it is obviously wasted on you.
And the condescension doesn't help much either.
IMelkor42 2 years ago
Vulgarity doesnt help you're argument :3 You're the one that decided that being condecending was a preferred tactic, or else you wouldnt have used it in your initial post. See? Even know you can't understand, or just blantantly refute "the goldedn rule" Why would specification make any difference such as rape when you're out to be right, rather than actually BE right.
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
Its not that I fail to inderstand your point, it's that your point is a strawman argument, so you've succesfully wasted both of our time trying to argue semantics.
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
0:35-1:00 so what all athiest all have to have the same opinion
no were all people and we all have different opinions
i myself find nothing wrong with porn
and as for mine comandmants very simple
dont lie, cheat, steal, murder, or do anything thing that puts another life at risk
Conker0051 2 years ago
suppose im a god and these are the rules..suppose I would want to have a peaceful place..
1.u shall not cause suffering upon other living beeings
2. u shall not profit where others sacrifice, u never should be greedy
thats it.. donno why it should be ten..but here just for fun....
3.u shall not talk about fight club
4.u shall get laid 3 times per day
5.u shall work only 20 h a week
v00d00child187 2 years ago
6.u shall get fired into the sun if u worship me or any other god
7.u shall get drunk and have a party from time to time
8.u shall NEVER create an Image of me(that also includes characteristics)..for I am everithing and nothing...
or else...rule number 6 shall take effect
9.u shall build a house
10.u shall always wear a nice hat
v00d00child187 2 years ago
morality in innate. you don't need 10 commandments for morals.
blkthunderbolt 2 years ago
1) Do Not Evny
2) Do Not Steal
3) Do Not Lie
4) Do Not Murder
5) Do Not Judge Others
6) Do Not Rape
7) Do Not Place Limitations on others, it only limits the solutions
8) Always challenge yourself and others in becoming better individuals - not matter what their personal belief is.
9) Honor Others - why limit it just to parents...
10) Be thankful for what you have right now, you don't know how long you will have it.
OtterPops22 2 years ago
1. Thou shall not murder
2. Thou Shall not rape
3. There shall be no compulsion in matters of faith
4. Thou shall care for family and friends
5. Thou shall take care of poor
6. Treat others with respect
7. Thou shall not commit adultery
8. Thou shall not cause war
9. Thou shall treat others equally
10. Thou shall not be greedy
bigsurwander12 2 years ago
Thou shall use thou in every god damn sentance in thy typing.
awesomesolo 2 years ago
FilmStudentWannabe 2 years ago
Theres only one thing all theists belives in: A higher power.
Theists come in just as many stripes and colors as atheists do :3
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
my version of 10 commandments:
1. dont listen to jezuzfreek777
2. fuck jesus in the ass every day
3. read the fucking bible and find out there are more than 10, there are 631 rules
JakeBartlam 2 years ago
Three things:
I don't believe porn to be immoral. It's just people going at it. If you don't like it, don't watch. Get this, some people actually like it.
Your Ten Commandments are far from perfect and don't deserve to be a part of our law.
And third. For there to be ten commandments for all atheists, would mean that we all agree. The only guarantee you can have, at what all atheists share in common, is the lack of a belief in a diety(s). Not all of us share the exact same dogmatic beliefs.
kmartmask 2 years ago
Neither do theists. Why di you think there are so many religions? And in those religions, so many sects? Its because every single individual may agree one one thing (no god, jesus, budha, aliens) they can disagree elsewhere. Findamentally, everyone is different on some level.
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
The ten commandments might of been perfect when they were written but as time goes by peoples understanding of what is moral will change. People who hold on to the old ways threten the progresion of society.
Jesse2K12 2 years ago
You say the ten commandments are perfect. Hear is a list of ways that it could be inproved.
1 the Commandments could of told you the proper time to kill and lie (like self defence or lie about hiding jews in your house in nazi germany.
2 remember the sabbath day could of been more persice because christians can't decide if it is saturday or sunday.
3 don't rape living creatures should of been included.
Jesse2K12 2 years ago
It's clear when to kill! Have you not read about the stoning of gays, blasphemers, adulterers, etc.? Not just in self defense, those that don't share the same beliefs as you!
kmartmask 2 years ago
Have you read the new testament or do you just like to parrot andt-christians philosphy? "Treat others as you would like to be treated" is pretty much the lesson of the new testament, which is what Christians follow (usu, not always though). Its normally a personal decision as to whether or not the commandments include or disclude whatever you decipher the "golden rule" is
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
Most of us don't need or want "commandments." I can live my life without being ordered around, particularly by some mythological creation from the middle east several thousand years ago.
Cosmoline 2 years ago
You actually can, especially if you live in a 1st world country. Whether you like it or now, those horrible, outdated rules happen to be in almost every land law. I dunno, maybe they just made sense. Or maybe it's a mass conspiracey take over of jesus freaks. Who knows these days.
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
You just don't get it.
Why do we need 10 commandments of our own?
Why can't we just think of doing the best we can and having no regrets.
QuickCalibre 2 years ago
Because sometimes people think doing the best your can includes stealing your neighbors tv and raping his wife and killing their kids in the process :<
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
I like to think people would like to be good people.... because its good, rather than the fear of an allmighty source taking you down for it. But it obviously doesn't work that way enough
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
im agnostic and if i could make the 10 commandments one of them would be (KEEP THY RELIGION TO THY SELF)
PlaguesOfHumanity 2 years ago
I take it a step further by saying keep thy PERSONAL beliefes to thy self.
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
1. Masturbate
2. Jackoff
3. Sex before Marriage
Uh, did i mention rubbing my dick?
onecentnickel 2 years ago
I'm more agnostic, than atheist. I question the existance of the divine regularly, but I'm not religious in the least.
But I will say that I believe the 10 commandments are the ideal bases of any law, and if you look at the US, many laws are actually based on it. Why? Not just because -some- of our founding fathers were Christian. But because they're logical. We have the power to overturn laws based on the 10 Commandments. We just don't. WHy? Because they actually make sense.
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
9) do not force your beliefes on others instead let the decide for themselves what they wish to believe
10) treat others how you wish to be treated
bloodmercs 2 years ago
1) do not kill unless for survival or self defence
2) do no steal
3) be faithfull to your partner
4) stand up for what you believe in even if others disagree with you
5) accept other human beings for who they are not what they are (if you get my drift)
6) (this is more of a teaching rather than a rule) family and friendship is the most important thing in life
7) try and be pleasent to others (bassicaly if you dont have anything to say shut up)
8) always try and be honest
bloodmercs 2 years ago
1. We constantly have to question our society and culture in order to improve it; the day we are satisfied with the world in which we live is the day everything starts going downhil.
2. Everyone should be commited to expanding the collective knowledge of humanity, so we can create a more efficient future for the next generations.
3. We cannot trust others to sort out our problems for us, even God.
4. Even if we find something in our moral code illogical or pointless, we must abide by it.
AJWSimmonds 2 years ago
4b. Disregard this rule, however, if you believe this is genuinely a threat to our wellbeing.
5. Do not judge others before getting to know them. We can learn a lot from other cultures and beliefs, including their pros and their cons.
6. People should have the freedom to do and believe what they want (providing this does not contradict Commandment No. 4) without being forced to take a certain view. They should also be allowed to broadcast these beliefs, without fear of discrimination.
AJWSimmonds 2 years ago
7. At the same time, people should be allowed to express whatever views they have on another's beliefs, without fear of discrimination.
8. Constructive criticism is encouraged, but when disputes become a catalyst for irrelevant and insulting comments or violece, this is inexcusable.
9. The law of the land should be decided by the population democratically, so as this can truly be defined as the "norm".
AJWSimmonds 2 years ago
10. Finally, we must all except that times do change, and social and moral issues develop throughout time. Individuals who stick to a single mindset are a threat to the progression of mankind.
There we go. It's a long list, but I've contracted it down as much as possible. To be honest, if I wrote my own Bible, I'd have a lot more than ten...
AJWSimmonds 2 years ago
We non-Christians are not all the same. We have diversity, and minds of our own so we will all think differently.
Unlike you Christians who are mindless borg drones, you'll just think how the collective (church) tells you to think. How boring.
Nathan54AB 2 years ago
I think you need to look up the different types of christians there are. Atheist means a lack of believe in a divine being. Christian simply means follower of Christ. The church(there ARE different types) doesn't dictate to a vast community if Christians.
So, I'm going to speak as a human. We are all humans, regardless of Religion or no religion. You're being more harmful in that mindset than most of the Christians you lump together. Stop perpetuating ignorance. Stop social entropy
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
I did not say what I said in a literal fashion. When I said "church" I was referring to the different Christian communities that impose that extreme social consciousness on it's members, of which most all of them do.
Christian means follower of Christ? What does that even mean. You just said there are different types of churches; 10s of 1000s to be more specific. Which Christ?
Nathan54AB 2 years ago
My point was that u shouldn't think in black and white terms, in the way ur comment suggests, that all non-christians 3 diverse, & that Christians not. My point was that humans r a collective whether u like it or not. Most humans follow national/community laws (which largely DO agree with biblical laws) Gross generalization of human cultures w/ such incendiary comments is only promoting what u undermine. But ur allowed ur views.
Most chruches follow the teaching of christ. Thus Christian btw
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
Interpretation of the bible is usually what denotes your sect of Christianity. Follower of Crhist doesnt denote what Christ you follow, it denotes how you follow it, and what emphasis you put on your interpretation of passages.
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
catholics have 1 different commandment? what is it? aren't they the same as christians?
Chrisspy704 2 years ago
1.) Treat others as you would be treated
2.) Do no harm unless absolutely necessary
3.) Be charitable and generous
4.) Be honest
5.) Do not be bigoted against people for things they cannot help
6.) Children must be schooled in logic, but they must also be taught to love, respect, and cherish others; that logic is not always the best or right avenue
7.) Do no teach children of religion. Let them decide for themselves when they are older
8.) Care for Earth as it is the only one we have
Bobbiethejean 2 years ago
9.) If a crime is committed, the punishment should be proportionate and fitting to the crime; any special circumstances should be considered
10.) Children should come first as often as possible. No exspense should be spared to ensure they have proper education, health care, and the affections of loving parents
Bobbiethejean 2 years ago
now thats a religion i would love. For all others theres mastercar-- i mean atheism.
jackmitchell123 2 years ago
You seem sure that all Christians agree on the ten commandments, but have you ever considered the possibility that with so many Christians in the world, they may all be interpreting the ten commandments in their own fashion, perhaps without even realizing it? People have so many different ways of thinking about the world that whether there are ten commandments or not and whether or not a person believes they follow them, in the end they will choose to live in a way that reveals their identity.
ELBlove7 2 years ago
You said it best =D
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
Thou shalt always be honest and faithful to the provider of thy nookie.
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Thou shalt try real hard not to kill anyone, unless of course they pray to a different invisible man than you.
goneutt 2 years ago
Are you aware that people don't have to reach an absolute concensus just because they share one or more traits?
There is more than one way to skin a cat...
GetTheCans 2 years ago
Atheists don't necessarily agree on anything, except that we don't believe in any gods. And you know what? We don't have to. We're not organized, we're not all marching under the same banner, and we're not following any set of rules that tells us what we must say, do and think. Christians are, atheists are not. Christians are inconsistent because they are supposed to agree about everything amongst themselves, but atheists are not. Once again, you are projecting yourself onto us. Kindly stop.
gatorboymike 2 years ago
Actually thats wrong, on a legal manner. Atheists are SUPPOSED to march under a banner and a set of rules that tell you hwo to at least humanely interract with society. That is, the law of the land. Hopefully you arent to upset that laws of the land tend to agree with, and/or are based off of religious laws (i.e. the 10 commandments). As humans, I could say we should agree amongst ourselves. Alas, all of us are inconsistant. Thus is the great diversity of mankind.
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
Atheism and obedience to the law of the land are two totally separate things. You can follow both, neither, or either one but not the other.
And I don't know where you live, but in the US, only two (maybe three) of the 10 commandments are represented in the law of the land. Prohibition against theft and murder, namely, and those have been prohibited by every civilized society for the past 5000 years. Christianity didn't invent the idea that murder and theft are bad things.
gatorboymike 2 years ago
Atheism & obedience to the law, esp here in teh US, might be different things, but being atheist doesnt make u exempt of the law, and you're still part of the system, whether you like it or not. U still have to follow it, legally. & Im pretty sure assult (which includes rape, i.e. treat your neighbors bit) is concidered illegal, as well as larsonony (I.e. LYING). There r a lot of laws. Maybe u should read up on them before assuming only 2 of the 10 commandments are present in US laws.
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
Also adultry is a law and a commandment.
Im in the U.S. too. I may not have gone to law school, but my mother has, and has worked in the court system the majority of her adult life, and it tends to rub off.
For the record, I never insisted that Christianity invented them. They just promotoe them. And, as a humanist myself, I dont really see anything with the 10 commandments if all its trying to do is encourage adults to play nice together.
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
I never said being an atheist exempts me from following the law. Actually Christians are the only ones who claim such an exemption. Assault isn't in the 10 commandments, by the way. I'm betting you don't actually know what the 10 commandments say.
The law of the land in the US is most definitely not based on Christianity, as I said: only two or three (depending on how you look at it) commandments are represented in the law.
gatorboymike 2 years ago
Read up again my friend. Prove that not all ten commandments dont line up with more than two or three of the commandments. And you're right, assault is not covered in the commandments, but it doesnt support your argument that only a small amount of laws coellesce with the commandments. I gave examples. Maybe you should try instead of asserting oppinion as fact :3 Baseless arguments are usually thrown to the side. And show me a christian that throws law to the side over the commandments lol xD
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
gatorboymike 2 years ago
In the US:
Have no other gods before me - not a law
Don't make idols - Is a law if on others or of others property and are forcing them or others to folow
Don't commit murder - is a law
Don't commit adultery - Adultery is breaking a state contract. Learn up.
Don't steal - is a law
Don't bear false witness against thy neighbor - is a law, defamation, libel, forgery, oath in a court of law . There's more than one :3
Don't covet thy neighbor's wife or belongings - not a law
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
Also, I'd like to take this time for 2 point. !st point, depending on the sect of faith some of those C's are lumped together, like the first two or three, or the last two or three.
2nd, these "moral" laws, I guess you could call them, can help prevent land laws, that do still happen to this day. Like adultery. If you don't want your neighbors wife or belongings, you're less likely to actually steal/fondle them. Variable ethics are sometimes helpful to certain individuals.
Yashendwirh 2 years ago
those contradicting ideas are what makes each atheist unique. Why would we need ten commandments?
caligulaincarnate 2 years ago
Um, dood, the ten commandments ain't for christians - they're for the jews. also there are way more than ten, but most of those aren't kept (don't put cheese on your meat plate! go poop outside of camp!)
justicle 2 years ago
Interesting that you would lump all atheists together as if there was some type of "atheist holy book" or something. Atheism is a lack of belief in a "god". It doesn't tell you anything else about any particular person.
Christians and other religious believers refer to "holy books" for knowledge and guidance. I like to refer to "common sense" as my way of navigating the world. You should try it sometime.
dtice03 2 years ago