M3Turboe46 Also the SHELBY mustang 1967 ELEANOR was running like 12.5 Stock all day, so your assumption is FALSE M3Turbo e46 , and as far as i balive it was a MUSTANG , also the 427 AC cobra 1966 0-60 in 3.5 and qtr mile in 11s so there you go again TRUTH HURTS DOESN'T it ?
dude why you bragging about ford like they are the shit when in reality ford is shit vs jap cars and most american and euro cars. i bet my life to eternal slavery that a supra with stock internals and the owner with 15k to put on it wherever he wants exept internals will destroy any ford with same rules. and dont even mention ford gt cuz as supercars go the only thing ford-made there is the windshield wiper.
@TheYourmommasucks 03 - 04 cobras will make 1000+ on stock blocks, hellion has a 1100+ terminator on a stock block, not to mention majority of the terminators drivetrain aside from the clutch, can handle that kind of power out of the factory..less two step launches on mt's on a prepped track. so yea, looks like its eternal slavery...
@TheYourmommasucks you must have not exp reality yet then... how is Ford crappy?
Reliabilty? their cars are reliable, they dont breakdown like everyone says... trust me i have family running a dealership
Quality, of coarse your not going to get at the luxury quality feel like you get in a 60K BMW... out of a 30K ford... their a Mid class cars designed for the people.
fuel efficency? they hold many Class leading vehicles
@CemetaryGatesML you trying to sell me a ford? lol im talking about reality when i use to drive my f350 i did a comp where you tie a rope to the back and they pull away from each other i won the first time to a dodge 3500 and when we rematched tranny go bye bye then bought me a little v6 mustang to work wasn't new but only had 8000 8 thousand miles 8 mil millas and it overheated car doctor said water pump fixed it and sold it bought me a civic not for racing but for goin to school.
Besides... all tho japan does make some nice cars... they simply dont have the variaty that the Americans have, given i DONT hate jap cars... but to say their better is a statment that needs backup.
and Euro cars? hahahaha Mini and Landrover are arguably the leased reliable vehicles...
AUDI BMW and Merc are very expensive and WAYY out of the Mid class Leauge... their cars under 30K are rubbish
and Citreon, Renault, peugeot, skoda etc... their dog shit :P
@TheYourmommasucks Give the Ford owner $15k and see where the dust settles...The Supra would end up second still to a terminator. Ultimately, what engines factory parts are more likely to make over 1000hp on pump gas...Not the Supra. Which engine is more likely to make over 2000hp with a stock block and heads? The Ford. Plus, big HP Supra's have Civic-like power below 7000rpm. And about 90% of the Ford GT was made by...Ford.
@Milehighsnake98 /watch?v=hPeAGl8foow at 2:50 and if you dont believe me just google it its not area 51 its there lol and the thing about making power above 7k rpm is nuts and if that is the case you need to change tuner lol my supra generates boost at 2900 because i got a quick spool and compressed air injection which cost me like 15 bucks to fill the tank of air. and my car isn't a monster its just a pretty fast car. but idk much about drag cuz i race mostly track.
Did you see that black mark the Mustang left behind? No, not on the road - im talking about the Supra. xD
And I love how the description says "both of these cars are fast..but what can i say..its a supra!", when in the only 2 actual heads up races I saw, the Mustang won.
@B0SSNINE Maybe in a straight line, but I dare you to take any curve at speed in a Mustang. Open diff, live-axle suspension? You'll slide right off the road. The other day, I got stuck behind a guy in a Shelby, going around a corner, because he had to slow way down, and I could still hear his inner wheel slipping.
And, on the straight line, I can think of 4 different cars that would beat any tooled-up pony, stock.
@SchizoFilms Same here. Ford GT; ZR1; McLaren F1; heck, even the Thrust SSC. That doesn't change anything.
And did you know that the new Mustangs pull .95g+ (the 5.0 pulls .95g, the lighter V6 model does better)?
The Supra got .95g. Even the brand new WRX STi only pulls .94g.
And yes, i'll take that dare to go into a curve - as long as you go right behind me in, say, a Supra or WRX. I'll watch you in my mirrors sliding off the road like Mario Kart on a banana peel. Research next time, okay?
@B0SSNINE You know, it's funny: The Toyota Tundra pickup beat the Mustang 0-60 this year, by .6 seconds. That's a pickup running a V6 with a fluid coupling. I don't see how that translates to epic acceleration in the 'stang, unless suddenly the Tundra's a racing vehicle. (In which case, I have to ask what the hell everyone was thinking)
And, of the cars I've driven, WRXs are pretty sticky. I don't know where your facts are coming from.
@SchizoFilms My data comes from Car&Driver, since they tested both (I didn't want one from one source, and the other from another). Just look up either "2011 mustang gt skidpad" or "2011 WRX STi skidpad", and they are the first result.
And out of 4 sources, 3 say that the Tundra's 0-60 is 7.3sec, while the other said 7.5sec. Sorry to disappoint you, but that is NOT .6 seconds faster than 4.4sec. 3.8 Seconds is Genesis/Lambo territory, not truck territory. xD
@B0SSNINE My source said the Tundra pulled 5.0, and the Mustang V6 got 5.6. I don't know where you got that 4.4 second mark. Maybe a Cobra or a Shelby, but the Mustang can NOT go that quickly. In fact, the newer, heavier Cobras might not even get that fast. They're just too damn heavy now.
And my data comes from actually being in them. You can't say a car is better without having been behind its wheel.
@SchizoFilms Ah. Well, the 4.4 second mark came from Ford and Car&Driver's tests. The V6 got 5.1sec. I personally have been in the 2 Mustangs, but not a Tundra. The new Shelbys (btw, the last time they made Cobra's was 1967, so yeah, just so you know) can get a 4.2sec 0-60.
And I even looked up the 5.7 V8 Tundra's 0-60 time, and it was 6.3sec. You may like the Tundra better personally, but in a Driver's Car competition - which this is - the Mustang (either V6 or not) still wins. xD
And, bro, Cobra was produced through the 90s. That being said, I confused Cobra with GT350 (which is as close as you get today) and that's my bad. Point is, only the high-end models, tooled out their asses can get that fast. For the same amount of money, you can get a better-handling vehicle.
The $20,000 Mustang (V6) is outperformed, maybe not in straight line, by about anything the Asian sports market throws at it. A real race isn't at 140 on the freeway.
@SchizoFilms Well, ima stop arguing now, since you're just making stuff up. I never said you drove a Tundra, AND you said you had to drive it to really know a car. LOL way to put yourself in a corner.
And no. The Cobra was the 289/427 roadsters made in the '60s. There was the Mustang Cobra, but that is a Mustang by Ford, not a roadster by Shelby. And im not talking about any continuation models, either. Nice try though.
@SchizoFilms And if you think a real race isn't at 140 on the highway, then why are YOU the one basing your info on that?
I simply said the Mustang out-corners other cars. Now you're completely ignoring all the above points I've had. The current Asian rival of the V6 Mustang is the $25000 Genesis 3.8, which only has a 5.4sec 0-60 and can only pull a .87g. Thats .3 slower than the Mustang in 0-60, $5000 more, AND is ~.1g worse handling. The Mustang wins.
@SchizoFilms i actually find your comment rather funny... sprry bud but a mustang actually handles fairly well. and has the test results to prove it. yea its got an open dift and live axel and an old skool suspention... but you know what? it still hangs with the BMW M3 around the race track.
for you to say you heard the inside wheel slipping? were the fuck were you? ridding his ass down a highway on ramp at 70mph?
@B0SSNINE I hope your not comparing a bran new mustang to a 1993 supra??? LOL because if so your bragging about ford finally catching up to something toyota did about 20 year's ago!! That's pathetic!!!
@M3TurboE46 No, that guy said that Mustangs couldn't go around a corner at all, and I simply said the new Mustangs pull a better skidpad than the Supra did, and even better than a 2011 WRX STi does.
And btw, 2011 - 1993 is only 18 years. AND Ford had Mustangs pulling better than the Supra back in the '60s. They were just too expensive to produce. But yeah, its pathetic how it took Toyota over 25 years to catch up to Ford.
@B0SSNINE Not one mustang ever ran faster then 13.1 before 1993....Try to prove me wrong I want to see the proof......Not one mustang ever ran 10's with just bolt on's before 2003 and not one mustang engine could handle the power a 2JZ can on factory internals before 2003...........LOL Playing catch up is fords life story kid.....People who go to the drag strip know this, I wouldn't expect you to.
@M3TurboE46 Yeah, hence I go to the strip (there are 3 within 2 hours of where I live, most notably Thunder Valler) at least 10 times a year (of course, im no racer, but I have good friends who have purpose-built cars, especially my next-door neighbor who used to have a 7-second GTX and currently has a 8-second Dart).
And you're wrong. The factory Mustang "Gassers" from '65 ran 11's. MKIV Supras only ran 13.3, so they're behind Ford... AGAIN.
@M3TurboE46 Also, Ford, since the Boss 429's in 1970, used 351 blocks for their NASCAR engines (up until 2009, when they debuted the totally-new FR9). They kept the same bottom end, they just re-worked the heads, etc.
Of course, that isn't 100% stock internals, but that was 700+ horsepower naturally aspirated back in the '70s. Toyota couldn't do that until the 90's... and with Turbos.
Dont get me wrong, I respect Toyota and absolutely love Supras - but the facts ARE that they're behind Ford.
@B0SSNINE Although the FE engine was based off of the production Cleveland 351/335/385 engine's they shared no internal part's such as piston's, crank, rods, etc.......The FE is a full blown race engine not a production engine made by ford.......Ahead of toyota lmao not even close..........Honestly when you compare ford's V8's to every other major car manufacture fords V8's are nothing but tiny under powered sorry excuses for a V8
@M3TurboE46 You do know that FE was just a series of engine? The 428's that came directly from the factory were FE's... And, who spanked Ferrari with V8's? Who had the 657-horse Cammer V8 in 1965? Who has the most durability? Ford.
Basically, all you've proven is that you like to make stuff up off the top of your head and then try to bend facts to back up what you originally said. Its pointless arguing with you: facts are facts - and I recommend getting your's straight.
@B0SSNINE The FE is the engine ford has used in they're nascar race car's since the 60's you idiot......I'm am so tired of educating idiot's on the very engine they are trying to talk about......I doubt you have ever seen an FE nascar engine much less worked on one, so why are pretending to be an expert about one.....Claiming to know about the engine when you didn't even know the engine code lmao you're pathetic
@M3TurboE46 Wrong. FE is a series of engines. Produced for 20 years between 1958 and 1978. FE stood for "Ford-Edsel". Do some research before claiming to know anything. You have the internet at your fingertips, but spout information that's incorrect and claim it to be fact.
@M3TurboE46 And perhaps you should go back and re-learn what you used to know, because apparently you forgot a TON if you forgot more than I know. But nice to see that the phrase I was using 15 years ago is being used by an internet tough guy.
Any retard can get massive amounts of power from an 8 cylinder, it's not that fucking hard. Try the same with a 6, it's much much more difficult, however it pays off a little better imo. That's why Supra's wipe the floor with rustangs. Supra's eat ameritrash cars for breakfast lunch and dinner.
@acidburn134 First, there's no replacement for displacement. Period. Second, The Supra is heavy. Heavier than my mustang by 300-400lbs. Third, you say it pays off more for the Supra, yet there are V8s that run in the 4s in the 1/4 mile, production based V8s in the high 5s. Supras? high 6s. Nice try though.
@CemetaryGatesML no such thing as an 88 cobra, LX or GT only. @M3, there are TONS of 331/347 NA motors running 10.90s @ 125+ with only 400hp and auto trannies. ON PUMP GAS and passing state inspections. also fwiw, the stock internals have no bearing on 5.0 failure. plain and simple, dont take the block past 500fwhp and dont spin it over 6500 because the 2 bolt mains will move aka "chatter" and crack the block. the ONLY cure is a $1000 R-Block or a $2000 dart block or a 351.
@M3TurboE46 So the 2JZ could hold how much power on stock internals before it blew up? I will tell you one thing, the Ford GT 5.4l can hold 1500hp on bolt ons and stock internals.
@greendayrules11 lol Are really trying to compare one of today's super to a 1993 toyota lol.......I guess toyota did a pretty damn good job.....Nice to see the mustang couldn't cut it
@M3TurboE46 what part of the 2jd dev were the germans involved in? just curious, not trying to be a dick. also, any idea what the boss 429 could generate? not saying you're wrong but with a post like that you have to already know precisely what you're on about.
@uyesu Well the Johann A. Krause Maschinenfabrik engineering firm helped out with the prototype 2JZGTE but didn't have anything to do with the production and assembly of the engine and didn't have much do with the released engine, from what I understand they just helped out with some tuning so it would meet Japanese racing limitation's.......As far as the 429 goes when you get up to about 750hp you have to worry about the block cracking but 750hp can't be done on the factory crank shaft.
@M3TurboE46 What's the most power the 2JZ has made on a ported head, stock crank and stock sleeves? I'm sure it's less than my 4.6 Ford. A lot less. If I had to GUESS, I'd say 700-800hp less, and that's being generous.
@M3TurboE46 What's the most power the 2JZ has made on a ported head, stock crank and stock sleeves? I'm sure it's less than my 4.6 Ford. A lot less. If I had to GUESS, I'd say 700-800hp less, and that's being generous.
@M3TurboE46 Again, stock crank, stock block and ported stock head. 700 hp is stock long block power for most Supra Turbos. Like I said, I'd bet that using those stock parts, people have made 700-800hp more than same Supras.
@M3TurboE46 People who go to the dragstrip also know something else...The Mustang doesn't need the power of the Supra to beat it. A 450whp mustang, which is perfectly capable on stock internals of most V8s, will run faster on a dragstrip than most MOST 600+whp supras. Plus the powerband of the 2jz is awful, it's like a honda, no power until over 7000rpm. A 2JZ can't even match the torque output of a blown stock internal cobra...
@Milehighsnake98 Why don't you compare the mustang to the supra in years both cars were out??? Because then you know you would have no argument.......With the same HP the mustang would not win it had the same stone age shitty chassis it had since the 60's until what 05??? Everyone knows mustangs can't hook for shit......The supra hits full boost at 3K rpm, in years where both supra and mustang were out the supra had more HP and torque. A straight 6 is better for torque then a V8 kid.
@M3TurboE46 It also had the more weight. 3600lbs with 320hp vs 3300lbs with 305hp. Plus the powerband of the Cobra works better, and the suspension works better. That's why the Supra hits high 13s and the Cobra low 13s for the same year (96-98).
@M3TurboE46 No idea what their preference to Toyota is though. Fastest published time I could find in an online search was a 13.4@100, I'll give it that. Oh, and a 1996 Cobra would pull .94g on the stock tires too. Seems pretty even to me.
@M3TurboE46 Fastest I've seen for a Supra turbo was 13.8, not 13.1, and then you justify it with that toilet paper of a magazine Motor Trend, who has some of the worst, unprofessional, ham fisted drivers there are. I just did a quick google search and the fastest I could find was a 13.4@100 for a Supra Turbo. Fastest I know of for a 96-98 Cobra is a 13.3@103. Plus the 96-98 Cobra can pull .94g stock, on a chassis that came out originally in 1978 on all season tires.
@M3TurboE46 The fastest I know of for the Supra Turbo is a 13.8, and then you say that toilet paper for a rag is ford biased. Yet, that's the same crappy rag that couldn't get better than a 14.4 from a 97 cobra, or 13.4 from an 03 Cobra. But the best times for those I know are 13.3@103 for a 96-98 and 12.4@110 for the 03. And a 96-98 Cobra pulls .94g stock, as well, on a chassis developed in 1978. Did a quick search and found a Supra time of 13.4@100, so I'll give you that.
@Milehighsnake98 Why don't you compare the mustang to the supra in years both cars were out??? Because then you know you would have no argument.......With the same HP the mustang would not win it had the same stone age shitty chassis it had since the 60's until what 05??? Everyone knows mustangs can't hook for shit......The supra hits full boost at 3K rpm, in years where both supra and mustang were out the supra had more HP and torque. A straight 6 is better for torque then a V8 kid.
@M3TurboE46 There are a lot of cars that wouldn't run a 13.1 before 1993, hell before 2000. I havent read BOSSNINE's comment but yeah, Mustangs have been faster than Camaros all but 3 or 4 years of their rivalry so Ford hasnt really had a "playing catch up" life story for their even half of their existance. Maybe when it comes to reliability. But not power to weight.
@M3TurboE46 Bullshit, stock for stock the LT1 is a piece, i've owned 3 5.0s and they've all be stock with just an exhaust and intake and i've beat plenty of Camaros that had the same mods. They have been slower until the ls1 came out. the early 80's through early 90's Camaros havent been able to touch the mustangs. The foxes were too light and powerful, But you can think what you want buddy =)
@M3TurboE46 really, any 5.0 cobra back in the day starting from 86-95 could handle up to 600hp on stock factory internals right out of the lot and juding by your name , your turbo e46 how much did it cost you? 45K yea thats right, plus everything else aside the turbo, supporting mods a good m3 is 25k a good cobra is 20k 03/04 and stock 03/04 cobra will spank any stock E46 m3 and i did say E46 and if supra was so great, why did they kill it? i still can't understand this shit coming frm yr mouth
@SuperSnake330CID Yeah about 40K is what I have in my car, stock vs stock the M3 vs SVT cobra comes straight down to the driver they are closely matched but BMW did it with a N/A I6.......I have been running 736RWHP on stock internals for almost 4 years now and still running strong......When I buy a car I look at things like quality, innovative engineering, handling, and reliability so I can see why you can't understand what I'm saying, because you have never heard of these features lol
@M3TurboE46 my causin has a 2004 silver e46 m3, I know what it is bro, i know how it runs, i know the specs, i know alot of those cars, but when my causin and found a cobra cruising down the interstate mostly stock, we raced and we lost bro, full exhaust intake on his m3 vs U/D pullies intake and some other bolt ons all it was a WHINE SHIFT WHINE us left in the back, so dont sweat it , any body who knows anybody about racing is those terminators are not to mess with /stock or modded and SUPRA???
@M3TurboE46 the 2jz is an inline six. that adds to the durability of the block. but without the stock turbo the car would be nothing. the 2jz is only a good block when its heavily modded. But there are things you can do to a 4.6L that would twist your head right off your skinny neck.
@M3TurboE46 True, but the best built mustangs have always been faster then the fastest supras at the track, and still are till this day. I've never seen any supra break into the 5's in the 1/4, not even in the 6's. A million dollars couldnt make a supra faster then the fastest stang.
Yo how stupid are you? saying you pump the breaks in a race to get your turbo spooled? you have never heard of a neon? a dodge neon? the one thats a v4... I bet all you do is go on goggle and type in cars and spend hours looking at them and you think your a car enthusiast. Like I dont understand how you still dont comprehend the fact that supercharges are ALWAYS kicking, no one is waiting around for your turbo to get spooled, your not going to keep up with a car thats boost kicked in before your
@supradave87 hahaha your coment makes me laugh... so the Mustang has a bigger engine? stock Vs stock
the supra has 276hp and the Mustang does as well... oh but wait the supra also needs a turbo. to make up for that lack of displacment.
these cars are both modded, i doubt that the origonal turbo... in that supra... its been heavly moddifyed, it dosent matter at this point wether its got a bigger engine, or what they've done to it, i can drive a 800hp 2L engine and rag on the supras Ci size
@supradave87 hmm I wonder what car would win if the supra didn't have a turbo, both cars weren't boosted at all or both cars were runnin equal amounts of boost? The Mustang would win under those conditions. Now Im not hatin on Supra's as i would give my left testicle for one and would have bought one over my 02 GT a few years back if the one at the dealership wasn't an automatic or the price wasn't $10,000 more than what I paid for the GT.
@xBaitMyScenex Guess you're the chump mate... expensive to produce for the target audience would be right on.. add to the emission problems... sales go right out the door... you do know a supra went in excess of 40 grand right? No one was willing to pay that much for a toyota back in those days.. LOL
The only reason it is easier and cheaper to build up a Mustang is because there are so many of them and the aftermarket companies know that a lot of the drivers are going to buy them but with the Supra, there are not enough to have a stable market for performance at cheaper prices. Mustangs are now only driven by rednecks or women, Ford made them a bitch car in mass production, Ford could have stopped with the FoxBody years because any Mustang after that has no man-hood, even the newest ones
@atg4411 your statement is false. mustangs/camaros/any v8 car is cheaper to gain performance becuase its a v8. put 5k into a v8 and youl be well over 500hp maybe 600
@stanleytherat its not that cheap...... to get 500rwhp from an old carbi setup your looking at forced internals ported heads, and alot of setting up, even on a fuel injection v8 like an ls1 unless you use nos youl need some big cams, ported heads, upgraded valvetrain and usually a set of custom rods and pistons. its not hard to get power its just not that cheap. but its different in aus even though we get chevy and ford donks there very espensice to build compared to jap turbo 6s
@stanleytherat You would be suprised how easy it is to get power out of a turbo motor. Supras go from 320-450hp with 1000 bucks in mods. (boost controller, downpipe, etc.)
@atg4411 the fox body doesn't even look like a stang that anyone pictures, its like a hatchback mustang lmafo and thats gay, all i picture is fusing a civic hatch with a v8 and the blue oval for looks!!! lmafo, again
I dont even like mustangs I'm a chevy guy but that cobra is a bad bitch throwin down that supra with probably 40 grand in the motor thats how they live up to their name dyno queens.
@Phormerte With 40 grand in a Supra I would be doing 8s. If the Supra in the vid had 40 grand under the hood the Cobra would be nowhere in sight. I would say he has a 1/4 of the amount you claim. And Supras aren't dyno queens if setup properly.
They stop making the Supra for a simple reason! not enough bang for the buck! I guarantee it didn't take as much money to make that Cobra the way it is now for what you would buy that Supra stock. Besides, any forced induction vehicle has the potential to be a monster! Hints the Cobra in this video! You rice lovers say up the boost on the Supra, I say up the boost on the Cobra! Take the turbo's off!!! either way the Cobra is gonna get the Cigar!
@TheZohaun FUnniest thing Aout her not flashing her titties at 3:03 in the video was that SHE LOOKS FAMILIAR! I SWEAR SHE LIVES IN TACOMA WASHINGTON! And I wonder how many horses the supra has?!
@BAWLS2894 You are retarded sir, you, and all the other imbicles that say, "Fuck turbos." The Turbo is the only thing that made that cobra with a bigger block more pistons and more ci, and the slicks, or drags beat the Supra, not to mention Supra wasn't at full boost, to make the cobra look good and make you boys want to slap a turbo on your stang so they can sell more kits. Hmmm, never thought of that, did you?
@supradave87 yeah okay because when people run they but there boost at half to make the other cars look good, stfu dumbass. And why the fuck would I turbocharge my v8? I suppose you would like me to supercharge a v4 neon...
@BAWLS2894 First, this was a race conducted by a shop that put the turbo on the cobra and were owners of the Supra. So if they made the cobra win, people might think that turboing their stang will make them beat Supras. Second, Turbos get you the most power. The 6 sec cobra is turboed. Third, I guess you never heard of the SS Cobalt putting 275hp with a 4cyl? or MR2 supercharged from factory. You are a DOUCHE.
@supradave87 lololo exactly 275 hp, thats horrible, and idgaf how much power turbos put out after 5 seconds, my supercharger kicked in 5 seconds before your induction kicked. Who gives a fuck if you have more power doesn't mean shit if you cant keep up. thats like having a 500+hp car that doesnt hookup, it doesnt mean shit.
@BAWLS2894 "Horrible" for a 4cyl? Yeah but that's why good drivers of turboed cars can brake boost and rape supercharged muscle cars, even if they loose a little ground to turbo lag.. Ask anyone who wants real power out of their v8, and they'll all tell you turbo is where it's at. Having more power means you catch up and pass them. Get a clue. Your ignorance depresses me.
@BAWLS2894 "Horrible" for a 4cyl? Yeah but that's why good drivers of turboed cars can brake boost and rape supercharged muscle cars, even if they loose a little ground to turbo lag.. Ask anyone who wants real power out of their v8, and they'll all tell you turbo is where it's at. Having more power means you catch up and pass them. Get a clue. Your ignorance depresses me. "a v4 neon"? ......Nice, is that a new model?
@BigSloan413 Those are so ugly! What would you call pretty then? That Supra looks like it'll hold 30 psi, shoot them both up to 30 and see who's engine blows up. Don't change anything on either one though, then do it. I bet that cobra can't hang. You guys just hate on Supras cause of the brilliance that the stock engine has and power it holds, Compared to your v8 that need rebuild here cams there, rebuilt tranny next. I'll just say this like all you guys do in other vids, stock on stock. 93vs93
@oldnaziwino no they stopped making it cause the standard for cars changed and there were better opportunities, they made it until 2002 and started in the 80's
@oldnaziwino i think they quit making it because all the fucking wigger kids in their 20s with rich parents that buy the supras for them after they see fast and fabulous, would gut them and destroy them, and they would get killed by crashing them or the engine blowing up because they dont know anything about it. thats why when i was looking for supra for my first car, i could only find one that was either riced out or beat to shit. thats why i got a mustang. im bashing the owners, not the supras
Sales were not much of a problem, they just got to expensive to produce for the market they were targeting. If you go to other parts of the world the Supra was produced for several years after they stopped selling them here in the states. As to their real value, look for some listings online. The MkIIII Supra is one of the few cars that has held its value. A 16yr old model that is stock still selling for more than 50% of its origional sticker price? Or a low mile one, @ origional$
@blazzing4321 Its "more faster" (horrible grammar) when it lost the races. You are a fucking idiot. The 2JZ is more reliable than the pre-03 Cobra motors (like the 99 cobra in this video.)
You can't call anyone an idiot when you yourself don't even know what's what. That mustang is a 94/95 302 based cobra. NOT a 99, it's totally different in every way, different body, engine, trans, rear, interior. You sir, fail. If the body didn't give it away, the distributor sure should of.
@kageryu311 thats a 96 thru 98 buddy! look at the tail lights, 96 thru 98 had the vertical lens 99 was a different body style. Not being a dick head :)
its retarded how everyone here says a supra will beat any mustang all the time hands down.. all you have to do is flip through youtube for 15 seconds and you can find 100 videos of mustangs beating supras, and supras beating mustangs. stock vs stock it would be a close one. but since you never see a stock vs stock race because theyre BORING you only ever see some crazy suped up whip crushing a less suped up whip. and then fanboys jizz over their brand. you're all stupid -_-
@MrChuck517 Looks better???? only with over 840 bhp!! there's no way a crappy toyota could never look better than a legend such as the mustang in first place, even though the supra is the only good toyota ever, and i like them, I would never put away any mustang over it. Is there any supra on the can-am or trans-am history or legacy? i would rather call the mustang the road king fellow....
I don't know where people are getting that the Mustang won. The supra looked to be in the front to me I don't know, but I know that the rear end of a supra is wider than that year mustang and when the back of the supra looks smaller it's further in front. It's called depth perception. As for the people talking about wheel spin, the supra is spinning tires just as much as the cobra when the boost hits.
Supras are not dubbed "Highway Kings" for nothing.
I love haters! Both theses cars are sick and would be a blast to drive. Driving a car from Japan does not make a ricer. Driving a car with lots of body work and a stock engine makes a ricer. If the engine is just as modded as the body then you have a show car.
In all technicality, ricers originally started off as anything that didn't sound like a v8 FYI. Yet, it has now turned into anything that looks fast but isnt
for all the ricers out there the last time i checked the finish line is always on a straight. Even if you do take the turn (not likely with your fwd) you just get passed in a matter of seconds on the straight. Like how they say v8s cant turn etc. They have steering wheels dont they?
@zombieg3nocidest 1st off i know a supra isnt a ricer and is one of the only imported cars with rwd dumbfuck. Stop assuming stuff because you make an ass out of yourself. I just happen to like supras. You are a fuckin idiot.
all the kids saying "what about turns and blah blah"...well kids, there wasn't a turn, so fuck you. yeah youre right, supras are amazing... amazingly overpriced for a 6 cylinder piece of shit, if you want a GOOD six, go with a benz slk230 kompressor, not some japanese joke. it all comes down to power, which is what wins races...and your little weedwacker piece of shit came up short, ill remember to call you up when mine breaks down, the supra can trim my shrubs up
hahahaaa ford cant even touch the supra!
sejfiu100 4 weeks ago
truly these cars are evenly matched. very nice the both of them. too bad theres no sound..
ElegyXD 1 month ago
M3TurboE46 **** anybody who knows anything about racing knows not mess with cobras, is what i ment to say , SIR
SuperSnake330CID 2 months ago
M3Turboe46 Also the SHELBY mustang 1967 ELEANOR was running like 12.5 Stock all day, so your assumption is FALSE M3Turbo e46 , and as far as i balive it was a MUSTANG , also the 427 AC cobra 1966 0-60 in 3.5 and qtr mile in 11s so there you go again TRUTH HURTS DOESN'T it ?
SuperSnake330CID 2 months ago
dude why you bragging about ford like they are the shit when in reality ford is shit vs jap cars and most american and euro cars. i bet my life to eternal slavery that a supra with stock internals and the owner with 15k to put on it wherever he wants exept internals will destroy any ford with same rules. and dont even mention ford gt cuz as supercars go the only thing ford-made there is the windshield wiper.
TheYourmommasucks 6 months ago
@TheYourmommasucks 03 - 04 cobras will make 1000+ on stock blocks, hellion has a 1100+ terminator on a stock block, not to mention majority of the terminators drivetrain aside from the clutch, can handle that kind of power out of the factory..less two step launches on mt's on a prepped track. so yea, looks like its eternal slavery...
stuff474 6 months ago
@TheYourmommasucks you must have not exp reality yet then... how is Ford crappy?
Reliabilty? their cars are reliable, they dont breakdown like everyone says... trust me i have family running a dealership
Quality, of coarse your not going to get at the luxury quality feel like you get in a 60K BMW... out of a 30K ford... their a Mid class cars designed for the people.
fuel efficency? they hold many Class leading vehicles
Safty? again many 5* cars
Variaty? #2 in the world
CemetaryGatesML 5 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML you trying to sell me a ford? lol im talking about reality when i use to drive my f350 i did a comp where you tie a rope to the back and they pull away from each other i won the first time to a dodge 3500 and when we rematched tranny go bye bye then bought me a little v6 mustang to work wasn't new but only had 8000 8 thousand miles 8 mil millas and it overheated car doctor said water pump fixed it and sold it bought me a civic not for racing but for goin to school.
TheYourmommasucks 5 months ago
@TheYourmommasucks i think i replyed to the wrong person HAHAHA
CemetaryGatesML 5 months ago
@TheYourmommasucks PART2
Besides... all tho japan does make some nice cars... they simply dont have the variaty that the Americans have, given i DONT hate jap cars... but to say their better is a statment that needs backup.
and Euro cars? hahahaha Mini and Landrover are arguably the leased reliable vehicles...
AUDI BMW and Merc are very expensive and WAYY out of the Mid class Leauge... their cars under 30K are rubbish
and Citreon, Renault, peugeot, skoda etc... their dog shit :P
CemetaryGatesML 5 months ago
@TheYourmommasucks Give the Ford owner $15k and see where the dust settles...The Supra would end up second still to a terminator. Ultimately, what engines factory parts are more likely to make over 1000hp on pump gas...Not the Supra. Which engine is more likely to make over 2000hp with a stock block and heads? The Ford. Plus, big HP Supra's have Civic-like power below 7000rpm. And about 90% of the Ford GT was made by...Ford.
Milehighsnake98 5 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 /watch?v=hPeAGl8foow at 2:50 and if you dont believe me just google it its not area 51 its there lol and the thing about making power above 7k rpm is nuts and if that is the case you need to change tuner lol my supra generates boost at 2900 because i got a quick spool and compressed air injection which cost me like 15 bucks to fill the tank of air. and my car isn't a monster its just a pretty fast car. but idk much about drag cuz i race mostly track.
TheYourmommasucks 5 months ago
At 0:41 that guy smiling looks like a rapist. Mustang must be the get away car.
Nutz4Tutz 6 months ago
damn that chick was sexy....
jhaze918 6 months ago
fack audio
zombiedeutsch 6 months ago
Did you see that black mark the Mustang left behind? No, not on the road - im talking about the Supra. xD
And I love how the description says "both of these cars are fast..but what can i say..its a supra!", when in the only 2 actual heads up races I saw, the Mustang won.
Ford FTW!!
B0SSNINE 7 months ago
@B0SSNINE Maybe in a straight line, but I dare you to take any curve at speed in a Mustang. Open diff, live-axle suspension? You'll slide right off the road. The other day, I got stuck behind a guy in a Shelby, going around a corner, because he had to slow way down, and I could still hear his inner wheel slipping.
And, on the straight line, I can think of 4 different cars that would beat any tooled-up pony, stock.
SchizoFilms 6 months ago
@SchizoFilms Same here. Ford GT; ZR1; McLaren F1; heck, even the Thrust SSC. That doesn't change anything.
And did you know that the new Mustangs pull .95g+ (the 5.0 pulls .95g, the lighter V6 model does better)?
The Supra got .95g. Even the brand new WRX STi only pulls .94g.
And yes, i'll take that dare to go into a curve - as long as you go right behind me in, say, a Supra or WRX. I'll watch you in my mirrors sliding off the road like Mario Kart on a banana peel. Research next time, okay?
B0SSNINE 6 months ago
@B0SSNINE You know, it's funny: The Toyota Tundra pickup beat the Mustang 0-60 this year, by .6 seconds. That's a pickup running a V6 with a fluid coupling. I don't see how that translates to epic acceleration in the 'stang, unless suddenly the Tundra's a racing vehicle. (In which case, I have to ask what the hell everyone was thinking)
And, of the cars I've driven, WRXs are pretty sticky. I don't know where your facts are coming from.
SchizoFilms 6 months ago
@SchizoFilms My data comes from Car&Driver, since they tested both (I didn't want one from one source, and the other from another). Just look up either "2011 mustang gt skidpad" or "2011 WRX STi skidpad", and they are the first result.
And out of 4 sources, 3 say that the Tundra's 0-60 is 7.3sec, while the other said 7.5sec. Sorry to disappoint you, but that is NOT .6 seconds faster than 4.4sec. 3.8 Seconds is Genesis/Lambo territory, not truck territory. xD
B0SSNINE 6 months ago
@B0SSNINE My source said the Tundra pulled 5.0, and the Mustang V6 got 5.6. I don't know where you got that 4.4 second mark. Maybe a Cobra or a Shelby, but the Mustang can NOT go that quickly. In fact, the newer, heavier Cobras might not even get that fast. They're just too damn heavy now.
And my data comes from actually being in them. You can't say a car is better without having been behind its wheel.
SchizoFilms 6 months ago
@SchizoFilms Ah. Well, the 4.4 second mark came from Ford and Car&Driver's tests. The V6 got 5.1sec. I personally have been in the 2 Mustangs, but not a Tundra. The new Shelbys (btw, the last time they made Cobra's was 1967, so yeah, just so you know) can get a 4.2sec 0-60.
And I even looked up the 5.7 V8 Tundra's 0-60 time, and it was 6.3sec. You may like the Tundra better personally, but in a Driver's Car competition - which this is - the Mustang (either V6 or not) still wins. xD
B0SSNINE 6 months ago
@B0SSNINE I'm not a Tundra driver.
And, bro, Cobra was produced through the 90s. That being said, I confused Cobra with GT350 (which is as close as you get today) and that's my bad. Point is, only the high-end models, tooled out their asses can get that fast. For the same amount of money, you can get a better-handling vehicle.
The $20,000 Mustang (V6) is outperformed, maybe not in straight line, by about anything the Asian sports market throws at it. A real race isn't at 140 on the freeway.
SchizoFilms 6 months ago
@SchizoFilms Well, ima stop arguing now, since you're just making stuff up. I never said you drove a Tundra, AND you said you had to drive it to really know a car. LOL way to put yourself in a corner.
And no. The Cobra was the 289/427 roadsters made in the '60s. There was the Mustang Cobra, but that is a Mustang by Ford, not a roadster by Shelby. And im not talking about any continuation models, either. Nice try though.
B0SSNINE 6 months ago
@SchizoFilms And if you think a real race isn't at 140 on the highway, then why are YOU the one basing your info on that?
I simply said the Mustang out-corners other cars. Now you're completely ignoring all the above points I've had. The current Asian rival of the V6 Mustang is the $25000 Genesis 3.8, which only has a 5.4sec 0-60 and can only pull a .87g. Thats .3 slower than the Mustang in 0-60, $5000 more, AND is ~.1g worse handling. The Mustang wins.
B0SSNINE 6 months ago
@SchizoFilms i actually find your comment rather funny... sprry bud but a mustang actually handles fairly well. and has the test results to prove it. yea its got an open dift and live axel and an old skool suspention... but you know what? it still hangs with the BMW M3 around the race track.
for you to say you heard the inside wheel slipping? were the fuck were you? ridding his ass down a highway on ramp at 70mph?
CemetaryGatesML 5 months ago
@B0SSNINE I hope your not comparing a bran new mustang to a 1993 supra??? LOL because if so your bragging about ford finally catching up to something toyota did about 20 year's ago!! That's pathetic!!!
M3TurboE46 6 months ago
@M3TurboE46 No, that guy said that Mustangs couldn't go around a corner at all, and I simply said the new Mustangs pull a better skidpad than the Supra did, and even better than a 2011 WRX STi does.
And btw, 2011 - 1993 is only 18 years. AND Ford had Mustangs pulling better than the Supra back in the '60s. They were just too expensive to produce. But yeah, its pathetic how it took Toyota over 25 years to catch up to Ford.
B0SSNINE 6 months ago
@B0SSNINE Not one mustang ever ran faster then 13.1 before 1993....Try to prove me wrong I want to see the proof......Not one mustang ever ran 10's with just bolt on's before 2003 and not one mustang engine could handle the power a 2JZ can on factory internals before 2003...........LOL Playing catch up is fords life story kid.....People who go to the drag strip know this, I wouldn't expect you to.
M3TurboE46 6 months ago 14
@M3TurboE46 Yeah, hence I go to the strip (there are 3 within 2 hours of where I live, most notably Thunder Valler) at least 10 times a year (of course, im no racer, but I have good friends who have purpose-built cars, especially my next-door neighbor who used to have a 7-second GTX and currently has a 8-second Dart).
And you're wrong. The factory Mustang "Gassers" from '65 ran 11's. MKIV Supras only ran 13.3, so they're behind Ford... AGAIN.
B0SSNINE 6 months ago
@M3TurboE46 Also, Ford, since the Boss 429's in 1970, used 351 blocks for their NASCAR engines (up until 2009, when they debuted the totally-new FR9). They kept the same bottom end, they just re-worked the heads, etc.
Of course, that isn't 100% stock internals, but that was 700+ horsepower naturally aspirated back in the '70s. Toyota couldn't do that until the 90's... and with Turbos.
Dont get me wrong, I respect Toyota and absolutely love Supras - but the facts ARE that they're behind Ford.
B0SSNINE 6 months ago
@B0SSNINE Although the FE engine was based off of the production Cleveland 351/335/385 engine's they shared no internal part's such as piston's, crank, rods, etc.......The FE is a full blown race engine not a production engine made by ford.......Ahead of toyota lmao not even close..........Honestly when you compare ford's V8's to every other major car manufacture fords V8's are nothing but tiny under powered sorry excuses for a V8
M3TurboE46 6 months ago
@M3TurboE46 You do know that FE was just a series of engine? The 428's that came directly from the factory were FE's... And, who spanked Ferrari with V8's? Who had the 657-horse Cammer V8 in 1965? Who has the most durability? Ford.
Basically, all you've proven is that you like to make stuff up off the top of your head and then try to bend facts to back up what you originally said. Its pointless arguing with you: facts are facts - and I recommend getting your's straight.
Good day, son.
B0SSNINE 6 months ago 8
@B0SSNINE The FE is the engine ford has used in they're nascar race car's since the 60's you idiot......I'm am so tired of educating idiot's on the very engine they are trying to talk about......I doubt you have ever seen an FE nascar engine much less worked on one, so why are pretending to be an expert about one.....Claiming to know about the engine when you didn't even know the engine code lmao you're pathetic
M3TurboE46 6 months ago
@M3TurboE46 Wrong. FE is a series of engines. Produced for 20 years between 1958 and 1978. FE stood for "Ford-Edsel". Do some research before claiming to know anything. You have the internet at your fingertips, but spout information that's incorrect and claim it to be fact.
Milehighsnake98 5 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 wow this is no secret you dumb fuck.
The Edsel is only one of MANY FE's That you clearly know NOTHING about.
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Other FE's include 332, 352, 360, 390, 427, and 428 among other engine's
Which dominated nascar and won the Le Man's 24 hour in the GT40.
Need anymore engine 101 lessons?? Because I can go on for days
I forgot more about engine's then you will ever know kid
M3TurboE46 5 months ago
@M3TurboE46 Big mouth for someone who's been proven ignorant on pretty much every post.
Milehighsnake98 5 months ago
@M3TurboE46 And perhaps you should go back and re-learn what you used to know, because apparently you forgot a TON if you forgot more than I know. But nice to see that the phrase I was using 15 years ago is being used by an internet tough guy.
Milehighsnake98 5 months ago
@B0SSNINE
Any retard can get massive amounts of power from an 8 cylinder, it's not that fucking hard. Try the same with a 6, it's much much more difficult, however it pays off a little better imo. That's why Supra's wipe the floor with rustangs. Supra's eat ameritrash cars for breakfast lunch and dinner.
acidburn134 4 months ago
@acidburn134 Ahh, strapping on turbos is SOOO hard. Oh, wait a minute! I forgot that is IS hard for an internet warrior like yourself.
B0SSNINE 3 months ago
@acidburn134 First, there's no replacement for displacement. Period. Second, The Supra is heavy. Heavier than my mustang by 300-400lbs. Third, you say it pays off more for the Supra, yet there are V8s that run in the 4s in the 1/4 mile, production based V8s in the high 5s. Supras? high 6s. Nice try though.
Milehighsnake98 3 months ago
@M3TurboE46 actually Yes their are mustangs that Run 10's with bolt-ons before the 93.
i was at a local track, Theme of the night was, Bolt-on performance only. i saw a 88' Mustang Cobra run 10.6
so it is very possible. just unlickly. and im pritty sure with bolt-ons and Good tires with a perfect run a Terminator mustang can run 10's
CemetaryGatesML 5 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML I bet it was no 5.0
M3TurboE46 5 months ago
@M3TurboE46 looked like a regular stang, anf it had the 5.0 badge on it.
what it was i cant be for sure... but who are you or me to say what it was or wasen't.
CemetaryGatesML 5 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML Because 5.0's after about 450HP with stock internals is a ticking time bomb waiting to go off......450HP don't get you in the 10's
M3TurboE46 5 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML no such thing as an 88 cobra, LX or GT only. @M3, there are TONS of 331/347 NA motors running 10.90s @ 125+ with only 400hp and auto trannies. ON PUMP GAS and passing state inspections. also fwiw, the stock internals have no bearing on 5.0 failure. plain and simple, dont take the block past 500fwhp and dont spin it over 6500 because the 2 bolt mains will move aka "chatter" and crack the block. the ONLY cure is a $1000 R-Block or a $2000 dart block or a 351.
87FOX50 5 months ago
@87FOX50 lol well it said cobra proudly on it :P
CemetaryGatesML 5 months ago
@87FOX50 Yeah 330's and 347's. Not 5.0's
M3TurboE46 5 months ago
@M3TurboE46 So the 2JZ could hold how much power on stock internals before it blew up? I will tell you one thing, the Ford GT 5.4l can hold 1500hp on bolt ons and stock internals.
greendayrules11 5 months ago
@greendayrules11 Obviously you can not read......BEFORE 2003 MUSTANG not GT
M3TurboE46 5 months ago
@M3TurboE46 I sure read what you said, but im stating that fact.
greendayrules11 5 months ago
@greendayrules11 lol Are really trying to compare one of today's super to a 1993 toyota lol.......I guess toyota did a pretty damn good job.....Nice to see the mustang couldn't cut it
M3TurboE46 5 months ago
@greendayrules11 Over 1000hp stock block, internals, and transmission
M3TurboE46 5 months ago
@M3TurboE46 what part of the 2jd dev were the germans involved in? just curious, not trying to be a dick. also, any idea what the boss 429 could generate? not saying you're wrong but with a post like that you have to already know precisely what you're on about.
uyesu 5 months ago
@uyesu Well the Johann A. Krause Maschinenfabrik engineering firm helped out with the prototype 2JZGTE but didn't have anything to do with the production and assembly of the engine and didn't have much do with the released engine, from what I understand they just helped out with some tuning so it would meet Japanese racing limitation's.......As far as the 429 goes when you get up to about 750hp you have to worry about the block cracking but 750hp can't be done on the factory crank shaft.
M3TurboE46 5 months ago
@M3TurboE46 What's the most power the 2JZ has made on a ported head, stock crank and stock sleeves? I'm sure it's less than my 4.6 Ford. A lot less. If I had to GUESS, I'd say 700-800hp less, and that's being generous.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@M3TurboE46 What's the most power the 2JZ has made on a ported head, stock crank and stock sleeves? I'm sure it's less than my 4.6 Ford. A lot less. If I had to GUESS, I'd say 700-800hp less, and that's being generous.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 Try around 700hp....Nice try though
M3TurboE46 4 months ago
@M3TurboE46 Again, stock crank, stock block and ported stock head. 700 hp is stock long block power for most Supra Turbos. Like I said, I'd bet that using those stock parts, people have made 700-800hp more than same Supras.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@M3TurboE46 People who go to the dragstrip also know something else...The Mustang doesn't need the power of the Supra to beat it. A 450whp mustang, which is perfectly capable on stock internals of most V8s, will run faster on a dragstrip than most MOST 600+whp supras. Plus the powerband of the 2jz is awful, it's like a honda, no power until over 7000rpm. A 2JZ can't even match the torque output of a blown stock internal cobra...
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 Why don't you compare the mustang to the supra in years both cars were out??? Because then you know you would have no argument.......With the same HP the mustang would not win it had the same stone age shitty chassis it had since the 60's until what 05??? Everyone knows mustangs can't hook for shit......The supra hits full boost at 3K rpm, in years where both supra and mustang were out the supra had more HP and torque. A straight 6 is better for torque then a V8 kid.
M3TurboE46 4 months ago
@M3TurboE46 It also had the more weight. 3600lbs with 320hp vs 3300lbs with 305hp. Plus the powerband of the Cobra works better, and the suspension works better. That's why the Supra hits high 13s and the Cobra low 13s for the same year (96-98).
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 Correction supra ran 13.1 motor trend mag which is usually bias towards ford
M3TurboE46 4 months ago
@M3TurboE46 No idea what their preference to Toyota is though. Fastest published time I could find in an online search was a 13.4@100, I'll give it that. Oh, and a 1996 Cobra would pull .94g on the stock tires too. Seems pretty even to me.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@M3TurboE46 Fastest I've seen for a Supra turbo was 13.8, not 13.1, and then you justify it with that toilet paper of a magazine Motor Trend, who has some of the worst, unprofessional, ham fisted drivers there are. I just did a quick google search and the fastest I could find was a 13.4@100 for a Supra Turbo. Fastest I know of for a 96-98 Cobra is a 13.3@103. Plus the 96-98 Cobra can pull .94g stock, on a chassis that came out originally in 1978 on all season tires.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@M3TurboE46 The fastest I know of for the Supra Turbo is a 13.8, and then you say that toilet paper for a rag is ford biased. Yet, that's the same crappy rag that couldn't get better than a 14.4 from a 97 cobra, or 13.4 from an 03 Cobra. But the best times for those I know are 13.3@103 for a 96-98 and 12.4@110 for the 03. And a 96-98 Cobra pulls .94g stock, as well, on a chassis developed in 1978. Did a quick search and found a Supra time of 13.4@100, so I'll give you that.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
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@Milehighsnake98 Why don't you compare the mustang to the supra in years both cars were out??? Because then you know you would have no argument.......With the same HP the mustang would not win it had the same stone age shitty chassis it had since the 60's until what 05??? Everyone knows mustangs can't hook for shit......The supra hits full boost at 3K rpm, in years where both supra and mustang were out the supra had more HP and torque. A straight 6 is better for torque then a V8 kid.
M3TurboE46 4 months ago
@M3TurboE46 There are a lot of cars that wouldn't run a 13.1 before 1993, hell before 2000. I havent read BOSSNINE's comment but yeah, Mustangs have been faster than Camaros all but 3 or 4 years of their rivalry so Ford hasnt really had a "playing catch up" life story for their even half of their existance. Maybe when it comes to reliability. But not power to weight.
LongBeachPits562 3 months ago
@LongBeachPits562 lol the mustang was slower from the later 80's all the way to 2003
M3TurboE46 2 months ago
@M3TurboE46 Bullshit, stock for stock the LT1 is a piece, i've owned 3 5.0s and they've all be stock with just an exhaust and intake and i've beat plenty of Camaros that had the same mods. They have been slower until the ls1 came out. the early 80's through early 90's Camaros havent been able to touch the mustangs. The foxes were too light and powerful, But you can think what you want buddy =)
LongBeachPits562 2 months ago
@M3TurboE46 really, any 5.0 cobra back in the day starting from 86-95 could handle up to 600hp on stock factory internals right out of the lot and juding by your name , your turbo e46 how much did it cost you? 45K yea thats right, plus everything else aside the turbo, supporting mods a good m3 is 25k a good cobra is 20k 03/04 and stock 03/04 cobra will spank any stock E46 m3 and i did say E46 and if supra was so great, why did they kill it? i still can't understand this shit coming frm yr mouth
SuperSnake330CID 2 months ago
@SuperSnake330CID Yeah about 40K is what I have in my car, stock vs stock the M3 vs SVT cobra comes straight down to the driver they are closely matched but BMW did it with a N/A I6.......I have been running 736RWHP on stock internals for almost 4 years now and still running strong......When I buy a car I look at things like quality, innovative engineering, handling, and reliability so I can see why you can't understand what I'm saying, because you have never heard of these features lol
M3TurboE46 2 months ago
@M3TurboE46 my causin has a 2004 silver e46 m3, I know what it is bro, i know how it runs, i know the specs, i know alot of those cars, but when my causin and found a cobra cruising down the interstate mostly stock, we raced and we lost bro, full exhaust intake on his m3 vs U/D pullies intake and some other bolt ons all it was a WHINE SHIFT WHINE us left in the back, so dont sweat it , any body who knows anybody about racing is those terminators are not to mess with /stock or modded and SUPRA???
SuperSnake330CID 2 months ago
@M3TurboE46 the 2jz is an inline six. that adds to the durability of the block. but without the stock turbo the car would be nothing. the 2jz is only a good block when its heavily modded. But there are things you can do to a 4.6L that would twist your head right off your skinny neck.
OutInTheRain1 1 month ago
@M3TurboE46 ya know i'm a ford fan, but that is the absolute smartest thing i've ever heard anyone say. thumbs up for you
big88foxbodyfan 1 month ago
@M3TurboE46 True, but the best built mustangs have always been faster then the fastest supras at the track, and still are till this day. I've never seen any supra break into the 5's in the 1/4, not even in the 6's. A million dollars couldnt make a supra faster then the fastest stang.
fisttaface 3 weeks ago
Yo how stupid are you? saying you pump the breaks in a race to get your turbo spooled? you have never heard of a neon? a dodge neon? the one thats a v4... I bet all you do is go on goggle and type in cars and spend hours looking at them and you think your a car enthusiast. Like I dont understand how you still dont comprehend the fact that supercharges are ALWAYS kicking, no one is waiting around for your turbo to get spooled, your not going to keep up with a car thats boost kicked in before your
BAWLS2894 7 months ago
Yeah! The cobra needs 2 more cylanders 2 more litres of displacement and a turbo to beat the Supra!
supradave87 7 months ago
@supradave87 hahaha your coment makes me laugh... so the Mustang has a bigger engine? stock Vs stock
the supra has 276hp and the Mustang does as well... oh but wait the supra also needs a turbo. to make up for that lack of displacment.
these cars are both modded, i doubt that the origonal turbo... in that supra... its been heavly moddifyed, it dosent matter at this point wether its got a bigger engine, or what they've done to it, i can drive a 800hp 2L engine and rag on the supras Ci size
CemetaryGatesML 5 months ago
@supradave87 hmm I wonder what car would win if the supra didn't have a turbo, both cars weren't boosted at all or both cars were runnin equal amounts of boost? The Mustang would win under those conditions. Now Im not hatin on Supra's as i would give my left testicle for one and would have bought one over my 02 GT a few years back if the one at the dealership wasn't an automatic or the price wasn't $10,000 more than what I paid for the GT.
sburns015 5 months ago
i dont care who you are, both these cars are NASTY!, and id sell my left nut for either of them.
Btw, is that a 96 cobera with a 5.0 turbo setup? cuz that def' wasnt a 4.6'/modular cobra engine.
cobra96svt570 7 months ago
that's actually not why
supra was discontinued because of emissions regulations
but of course why would some chump know that..
xBaitMyScenex 7 months ago
@xBaitMyScenex Guess you're the chump mate... expensive to produce for the target audience would be right on.. add to the emission problems... sales go right out the door... you do know a supra went in excess of 40 grand right? No one was willing to pay that much for a toyota back in those days.. LOL
Texarmageddon 7 months ago
we can see mustang everywhere those cars are not original
hackerboy123100 8 months ago
supra is sexxy
PcostaDaddy 9 months ago
that guy was so cool fish tailing in traffic, man i wish i was that cool, ohh wait, I have a 500hp car and don't do that because i'm not an idiot.
rebeldragon69 10 months ago
Both them fuckers can move.
zurbon 10 months ago
The only reason it is easier and cheaper to build up a Mustang is because there are so many of them and the aftermarket companies know that a lot of the drivers are going to buy them but with the Supra, there are not enough to have a stable market for performance at cheaper prices. Mustangs are now only driven by rednecks or women, Ford made them a bitch car in mass production, Ford could have stopped with the FoxBody years because any Mustang after that has no man-hood, even the newest ones
atg4411 10 months ago
@atg4411 your statement is false. mustangs/camaros/any v8 car is cheaper to gain performance becuase its a v8. put 5k into a v8 and youl be well over 500hp maybe 600
stanleytherat 9 months ago
@stanleytherat its not that cheap...... to get 500rwhp from an old carbi setup your looking at forced internals ported heads, and alot of setting up, even on a fuel injection v8 like an ls1 unless you use nos youl need some big cams, ported heads, upgraded valvetrain and usually a set of custom rods and pistons. its not hard to get power its just not that cheap. but its different in aus even though we get chevy and ford donks there very espensice to build compared to jap turbo 6s
twinturboteen18 8 months ago
@stanleytherat You would be suprised how easy it is to get power out of a turbo motor. Supras go from 320-450hp with 1000 bucks in mods. (boost controller, downpipe, etc.)
kageryu311 7 months ago
@atg4411 the fox body doesn't even look like a stang that anyone pictures, its like a hatchback mustang lmafo and thats gay, all i picture is fusing a civic hatch with a v8 and the blue oval for looks!!! lmafo, again
tutnut314 8 months ago
thats one nice cobra, wish my gt had that much horse
buyAmerican92 11 months ago
I like better the mustang
80v8camaro 11 months ago
1:10 the race starts....
zJustBlunt 11 months ago
I dont even like mustangs I'm a chevy guy but that cobra is a bad bitch throwin down that supra with probably 40 grand in the motor thats how they live up to their name dyno queens.
Phormerte 11 months ago
@Phormerte With 40 grand in a Supra I would be doing 8s. If the Supra in the vid had 40 grand under the hood the Cobra would be nowhere in sight. I would say he has a 1/4 of the amount you claim. And Supras aren't dyno queens if setup properly.
kageryu311 10 months ago
They stop making the Supra for a simple reason! not enough bang for the buck! I guarantee it didn't take as much money to make that Cobra the way it is now for what you would buy that Supra stock. Besides, any forced induction vehicle has the potential to be a monster! Hints the Cobra in this video! You rice lovers say up the boost on the Supra, I say up the boost on the Cobra! Take the turbo's off!!! either way the Cobra is gonna get the Cigar!
41stuka 11 months ago
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41stuka 11 months ago
both very fast cars. i would take the supra tho. imo. great video
TheRealColtMaster 11 months ago
Look at the clamp sliding on the turbo of the Cobra on the dyno. LMFAO
bohdanko90 11 months ago
Why no sound?
blackmetalurgist 11 months ago
mustang lost like all the races but one. and it didnt even have to spool up. ford fail.
n1sm0buddie 1 year ago
mustang win
stew8fpv 1 year ago
cool mustang...................
CYB117 1 year ago
Thumbs up if at 3:03 you were disappointed when the girl didn't flash them titties!
TheZohaun 1 year ago 65
@TheZohaun FUnniest thing Aout her not flashing her titties at 3:03 in the video was that SHE LOOKS FAMILIAR! I SWEAR SHE LIVES IN TACOMA WASHINGTON! And I wonder how many horses the supra has?!
spainobain1234 4 months ago
Superchargers are always kicking... turbos lag, and blow the D
BAWLS2894 1 year ago
@BAWLS2894 Superchargers are also always sapping power from the engine, whereas turbos take nothing from the engine.
bliglum 1 year ago
@BAWLS2894 You are retarded sir, you, and all the other imbicles that say, "Fuck turbos." The Turbo is the only thing that made that cobra with a bigger block more pistons and more ci, and the slicks, or drags beat the Supra, not to mention Supra wasn't at full boost, to make the cobra look good and make you boys want to slap a turbo on your stang so they can sell more kits. Hmmm, never thought of that, did you?
supradave87 7 months ago
@supradave87 yeah okay because when people run they but there boost at half to make the other cars look good, stfu dumbass. And why the fuck would I turbocharge my v8? I suppose you would like me to supercharge a v4 neon...
BAWLS2894 7 months ago
@BAWLS2894 First, this was a race conducted by a shop that put the turbo on the cobra and were owners of the Supra. So if they made the cobra win, people might think that turboing their stang will make them beat Supras. Second, Turbos get you the most power. The 6 sec cobra is turboed. Third, I guess you never heard of the SS Cobalt putting 275hp with a 4cyl? or MR2 supercharged from factory. You are a DOUCHE.
supradave87 7 months ago
@supradave87 lololo exactly 275 hp, thats horrible, and idgaf how much power turbos put out after 5 seconds, my supercharger kicked in 5 seconds before your induction kicked. Who gives a fuck if you have more power doesn't mean shit if you cant keep up. thats like having a 500+hp car that doesnt hookup, it doesnt mean shit.
BAWLS2894 7 months ago
@BAWLS2894 "Horrible" for a 4cyl? Yeah but that's why good drivers of turboed cars can brake boost and rape supercharged muscle cars, even if they loose a little ground to turbo lag.. Ask anyone who wants real power out of their v8, and they'll all tell you turbo is where it's at. Having more power means you catch up and pass them. Get a clue. Your ignorance depresses me.
supradave87 7 months ago
@BAWLS2894 "Horrible" for a 4cyl? Yeah but that's why good drivers of turboed cars can brake boost and rape supercharged muscle cars, even if they loose a little ground to turbo lag.. Ask anyone who wants real power out of their v8, and they'll all tell you turbo is where it's at. Having more power means you catch up and pass them. Get a clue. Your ignorance depresses me. "a v4 neon"? ......Nice, is that a new model?
supradave87 7 months ago
that supra just needed to up the boost and kill that whack cobra.
supradave87 1 year ago 3
@supradave87 Yeah and then the cobra would just up its boost and destroy it right back.
ruthlessone3k 1 year ago
@supradave87 shure u just cant face the fact that supras arent the fastest in the world
cobra5405 1 year ago
@supradave87 that stang only had 560 hp bet the supra had more y didnt thay show it
cobra5405 1 year ago
@supradave87 I admit supras are killer, But that cobra is far from "Whack"
BigSloan413 11 months ago
@BigSloan413 Those are so ugly! What would you call pretty then? That Supra looks like it'll hold 30 psi, shoot them both up to 30 and see who's engine blows up. Don't change anything on either one though, then do it. I bet that cobra can't hang. You guys just hate on Supras cause of the brilliance that the stock engine has and power it holds, Compared to your v8 that need rebuild here cams there, rebuilt tranny next. I'll just say this like all you guys do in other vids, stock on stock. 93vs93
supradave87 7 months ago
@supradave87 You are an idiot.
BigSloan413 6 months ago
@supradave87 Up the boost? all the cobra had to do was up the boost to embarrased it even more then it did?
quickestwhiteboy 8 months ago
chick in the cobra is kinda hot
Sk8FalIen 1 year ago
that was a shitty stang... race a turbo 04 termi or sumthin
xmodrock 1 year ago
why put music on this anyway !!!!
elreydavid96 1 year ago
that cobra looks fast especially its acceleration and then comes the supra and and it doesn't look so fast any more
gizmo12330 1 year ago
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ybm24 1 year ago
@ybm24 idk its a supra and supras are god on wheels
renster143 1 year ago
actually supra beat the mustang
ybm24 1 year ago
@ybm24
Actually it doesnt. Looking at the specs, Mustang beats it in almost every category.
imnotbad9 1 year ago
@imnotbad9 Yeah....at stock. Supra's don't stay stock for long. Both are great cars.
ProTuner06 1 year ago
The supra was so awesome they quit making it cause no one bought it ROFL.
oldnaziwino 1 year ago 16
@oldnaziwino no they stopped making it cause the standard for cars changed and there were better opportunities, they made it until 2002 and started in the 80's
CYB117 1 year ago
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Stangorino281 1 year ago
@oldnaziwino i think they quit making it because all the fucking wigger kids in their 20s with rich parents that buy the supras for them after they see fast and fabulous, would gut them and destroy them, and they would get killed by crashing them or the engine blowing up because they dont know anything about it. thats why when i was looking for supra for my first car, i could only find one that was either riced out or beat to shit. thats why i got a mustang. im bashing the owners, not the supras
Stangorino281 1 year ago 2
@oldnaziwino
Sales were not much of a problem, they just got to expensive to produce for the market they were targeting. If you go to other parts of the world the Supra was produced for several years after they stopped selling them here in the states. As to their real value, look for some listings online. The MkIIII Supra is one of the few cars that has held its value. A 16yr old model that is stock still selling for more than 50% of its origional sticker price? Or a low mile one, @ origional$
ND224 9 months ago
@oldnaziwino other way around
matthewrockslol22 9 months ago
@oldnaziwino
why did the stop making it?
jaysmith641 8 months ago
@oldnaziwino They quit making them due to emissions....
lordofsalem81994 8 months ago
@oldnaziwino who gives a shit if no one bought em they're bad ass....fastest car outta japan till the R34 came along
FALL3NPROD1GY 7 months ago
Id take the stang all day, more faster and wont blow up.
blazzing4321 1 year ago
@blazzing4321 Its "more faster" (horrible grammar) when it lost the races. You are a fucking idiot. The 2JZ is more reliable than the pre-03 Cobra motors (like the 99 cobra in this video.)
kageryu311 1 year ago
@kageryu311
You can't call anyone an idiot when you yourself don't even know what's what. That mustang is a 94/95 302 based cobra. NOT a 99, it's totally different in every way, different body, engine, trans, rear, interior. You sir, fail. If the body didn't give it away, the distributor sure should of.
IliicitSpeed 1 year ago
@IliicitSpeed its an SN 95. I'm not a Mustang guy but i know a bit about them and their chassis codes.
kageryu311 1 year ago
@kageryu311 thats a 96 thru 98 buddy! look at the tail lights, 96 thru 98 had the vertical lens 99 was a different body style. Not being a dick head :)
muthafuggle 1 year ago
@muthafuggle 94-98...plus the car had a 5.0 so it def a 94-95
divistang87 1 year ago
@divistang87 my point being is that the tail lights are vertical, the body is 96-98
muthafuggle 1 year ago
@muthafuggle taillights are hard to change?...my 87 gt has taillights out of a 92 lx...must mean its a 92 right?
divistang87 1 year ago
@divistang87 the tail lights are 92 yes
muthafuggle 1 year ago
its retarded how everyone here says a supra will beat any mustang all the time hands down.. all you have to do is flip through youtube for 15 seconds and you can find 100 videos of mustangs beating supras, and supras beating mustangs. stock vs stock it would be a close one. but since you never see a stock vs stock race because theyre BORING you only ever see some crazy suped up whip crushing a less suped up whip. and then fanboys jizz over their brand. you're all stupid -_-
jhevi002 1 year ago
@jhevi002 You know you're intelligent when you have to end your sentence with "you're all stupid."
LazyN8r 1 year ago
supra looks way better than a mustang any day baby.. highway kings of all kings. sorry roadkills don't compare with it..
MrChuck517 1 year ago
@MrChuck517 supra blows, it lost, looks bayud. fart cans ruin every and all cars
supra fails
OutInTheRain1 1 year ago
@OutInTheRain1 It didn't lose any of the races. So I guess that makes the mustang blow harder.
kageryu311 1 year ago
@MrChuck517 Looks better???? only with over 840 bhp!! there's no way a crappy toyota could never look better than a legend such as the mustang in first place, even though the supra is the only good toyota ever, and i like them, I would never put away any mustang over it. Is there any supra on the can-am or trans-am history or legacy? i would rather call the mustang the road king fellow....
gorgeusjames 1 year ago
@gorgeusjames Blah blah blah
LazyN8r 1 year ago
3:05 FTMFW :D :D :D
SSickLS1 1 year ago
one of the best videos on youtube......ruined by youtube
itsyaboiDRAY 1 year ago
legend on the streets ----->> SUPRA
setonas23 1 year ago
I don't know where people are getting that the Mustang won. The supra looked to be in the front to me I don't know, but I know that the rear end of a supra is wider than that year mustang and when the back of the supra looks smaller it's further in front. It's called depth perception. As for the people talking about wheel spin, the supra is spinning tires just as much as the cobra when the boost hits.
Supras are not dubbed "Highway Kings" for nothing.
allwheelfeel 1 year ago
bad ass supra
heartboy86 1 year ago
I love haters! Both theses cars are sick and would be a blast to drive. Driving a car from Japan does not make a ricer. Driving a car with lots of body work and a stock engine makes a ricer. If the engine is just as modded as the body then you have a show car.
importracer79 1 year ago
In all technicality, ricers originally started off as anything that didn't sound like a v8 FYI. Yet, it has now turned into anything that looks fast but isnt
Texarmageddon 1 year ago
1:54 the supra guys chillin lol!!!
Jaran912 1 year ago
all this talk about ricers im not even sure that half of the people talking about ricers even know what i ricer even is lmao
zombieg3nocidest 1 year ago
for all the ricers out there the last time i checked the finish line is always on a straight. Even if you do take the turn (not likely with your fwd) you just get passed in a matter of seconds on the straight. Like how they say v8s cant turn etc. They have steering wheels dont they?
snipingshadow 1 year ago
@snipingshadow 1st off a supra isnt a ricer, 2nd a supra isnt a fwd its a rwd go post that in a video where there are ricers
zombieg3nocidest 1 year ago
@zombieg3nocidest 1st off i know a supra isnt a ricer and is one of the only imported cars with rwd dumbfuck. Stop assuming stuff because you make an ass out of yourself. I just happen to like supras. You are a fuckin idiot.
snipingshadow 1 year ago
all the kids saying "what about turns and blah blah"...well kids, there wasn't a turn, so fuck you. yeah youre right, supras are amazing... amazingly overpriced for a 6 cylinder piece of shit, if you want a GOOD six, go with a benz slk230 kompressor, not some japanese joke. it all comes down to power, which is what wins races...and your little weedwacker piece of shit came up short, ill remember to call you up when mine breaks down, the supra can trim my shrubs up
MrJakeTenold 1 year ago
@MrJakeTenold you know that supras can make like 900 hp with bolt ons right?...
lol not a piece of shit by any means..
and that would be an awefully powerful and loud hedge trimmer...
dwnrety1 1 year ago
@MrJakeTenold
You sir, are completely fucking ignorant.
daronr007 1 year ago