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  • What a joke! What damages could that flight attendant possible have had? It's just plain evil to cash in on someone's moment of weakness.Of course you can only if that person has money. The flight attendant says she has lost her faith? Really, what faith? You don't sue people & you don't lose faith over someone else's immorality. If you do, you didn't have faith to begin with. The world is full of sin. We don't base our faith on the evil that other's do...

  • She got hemroids from what? OMG, what a scam.

  • I didn't know that lack of faith causes hemorrhoids = s

  • The blk women is sooo beautiful! And for all you proof readers i dont know her name so bite me,lol.

  • Niggers have nothing to do skin color ......you get hemorrhoids from digging the shit out of you ass or a lawyer trying to get his nose out of Browns ass 

  • Brown got elbowed and got in an altercation with a women, haha. She's never ridden a NYC sudway during rush hour.

  • She should of said Victoria is racist and im greedy lol

  • Both parties are worthes lying pieces of horse manure.

  • Folks, it's Tammy and Jim Baker all over again. They use religion to get rich. Oh maybe they believe in Jesus, who knows, but they are not in the business for him but mostly for themselves. Joel wrote a self-empowerment book in which he makes no mention of Jesus. Is that a true Christian preacher? Search for the interview. False prophets, pulpit prostitutes.

  • @solomon2c7 Your stupid

  • @solomon2c7 Someone's jealous! that not a very Christian thing to be.

  • you ever noticed that everytime someone gets alot of money theres always a black person there with some kind of accusation and the only way to cure it is money?get a job and stop trying to live off of other peoples prosperity.thats why our welfare system is going bankrupt..stupid people.black people are just too dramatic.she got hemorrhoids from her?come on.better be glad i wasnt the judge or id put her in jail for trying to decieve me.

  • @mword45 you know that your comment was not only racist, but completely nonfactual? You should just kill yourself and put the planet out of its misery.

  • @mword45 ..and just because you have a lot of money, doesnt mean that you can just TREAT black people any kind of way either..

  • I thought we could spit on black people

  • @MrLarrylegend ....yeah...and maybe you thought you could live forever too didnt you...wouldnt advise that my dude...

  • Your an idiot if you think I was serious come on, who really thinks thats ok except people like Ron Artest or Latrell Sprewell or Charles Barkley but they're not the brightest people in the world.

  • you ever noticed that everytime someone gets alot of money theres always a black person there with some kind of accusation and the only way to cure it is money?get a job and stop trying to live off of other peoples prosperity.thats why our welfare system is going bankrupt..stupid people

  • I read victoria acted like a diva from a witness on the flight!

  • O spiritually dead ones, you do not walk in righteousness, but in contempt and disobedience. You wear no robe of humility but one of pride and arrogance. Your desire is to be submissive to these false teachers and prophets because of your foolishness and pride that has no place for grace because grace is given only to the humble and pure of heart. Fall before the alter of falsehood and fallacy, for that is your true desire and reward that you seek.

  • O spiritually dead ones, scripture speaks to you who have chosen to fall before your gods of carnality and idolatry, to you who stand before your altar of deceit, to you who pay homage to these fools who teach these doctrines of devils, for to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Romans 8:6, But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition, Timothy 6:9

  • O spiritually dead ones, pay homage to these fools who teach these despicable doctrines because you have chosen to venerate them for they have become your idols, submit and adore them for you walk among the dead, Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked. Revelation 3:17

  • O spiritually dead ones, stand before your altar of apostasy, for it is the lot of the natural man who is an enemy of God, who is not submissive, nor meek, nor humble, nor patient, nor full of love, nor willing to submit to the father but only to the lusts of the flesh and the wisdom of men. You who seek fleshy wisdom for you are carnal, rebellious, disobedient and haughty. You who are helpless and lost regarding the things of God because you have placed your faith in the wisdom of men.

  • O spiritually dead ones, fall quickly before the altar of deceit and wretchedness, sit with much anticipation awaiting your riches, for the foolish man seeks after temporal things for he has no heart for God because he is spiritually dead. Quickly, defend these fools for you have no desire for godly wisdom nor to glorify Him, for you have only contempt for spiritual knowledge and wisdom. Fall quickly before this altar, you who loathe His children, detest His attributes and despise His word.

  • Woe to these false prophetesses who have no desire to be neither in subjection nor in obedience to God or men. They who have usurped the role given to them by God of submissiveness that they consider to be repulsive. They who lack knowledge of the truth, who have rejected the authority of scripture through their vain convictions, acceptance of worldly temperaments and self-serving rebellious natures. They are neither meek nor humble in spirit or manner, but are clamorous and demanding.

  • Woe to these false prophetesses who unlike the true prophetesses of old such as Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Priscilla, and Phoebe did not possess a Jezebelian nature. Many of these women of today adhere to a perverse theology as well as philosophy that possess attributes and characteristics of a Jezebelian spirit such as narcissism, rebellion, witchcraft, and depravity. Whereas scripture calls these women to be prophetesses and teachers, they yearn to be placed in positions of authority over men.

  • Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Matthew 7:16 (KJV) Beware of these Jezebels who are both arrogant and prideful, who are nothing more than self-appointed false prophetesses, who lust for fleshly indulgences, who condone spiritual compromise as well as moral compromise, and who pervert the Word of God.

  • Beware of these Jezebels who are both arrogant and prideful, who are nothing more than self-appointed false prophetesses, who lust for fleshly indulgences, who condone spiritual and moral compromise and who pervert the Word of God. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Matthew 7:16 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5:20

  • Nnnnn

  • 10%?....and I'm BLACK!!! What is it that she wants the tithes?

  • I would love to know what this woman said to the plaintiff to give her hemorrhoids. I would say that shit to my boss and a few other people. Hey Vicky Osteen if you're reading this, could you inbox me, pronto!

  • Fuck the OSTEENS

  • Aint It LOL

  • This bitch was just looking to get paid. I dont doubt Victoria did something wrong though

  • DID SHE WIN ?????????

  • Brown got hemorrhoids from this event ?  How stupid is that !!

  • What. Black people, falsely crying racism? That just doesn't sound like ..... oh wait they do that all the time.

  • @muta157 What? Like that crazy white woman who smeared acid on her face and blamed it on a fictious black woman.... oh wait they do that all the time.

  • @comfywitmyself lol.  No they don't. That happened once.

  • Some people want a piece of a rich pastor's net worth. Very interesting.

  • and suffer from hemmroids? r u serious. lol

  • ah the old race card... why not just play the false prophet occult card? 

  • @sKewbrain Racism is not a card. It is real! White people feel they are above everyone else. And they are not.

  • @missVeemack not all white ppl think like that & racism isn't exclusive to white ppl.

  • Why are the Osteens traveling first class in the first place. Pastors are supposed to live humbly.

  • Asking for 10% of their net worth?

    Is that fabricated? It has to be. That's beyond silly to me.

  • It caused her to lose her faith in God? Wow! I guess her faith was shallow and superficial if that supposed incident caused her to lose her faith.She should really find something else better to do with her time,like attend to those hemmoroid flare ups!

  • Just a nigger wanting free money...

  • @Jon839508 Yes, just like a lot of Caucasians wanting free money by virtue of their silly lawsuits.

  • @Cyyael Nig Nogs like this bitch do it far more often so you can take that comment and shove it up your ass.

  • @Jon839508 Of course. You're right. Lol.

  • @Jon839508 ..maybe thats why she got hemmoroids in the first place...people like you..

  • @Jon839508 Are you a christian? Would christ call a black person a nigger, a white person a cracker, a latin person a spic and so on? Christ said love your neighbor as your self, not hate your neighbor. The truth is you hate your neighbor you are going straight into the pit. Oh and by the way the other woman, which was white was a witness to her racism. Dont take what you want out of a situation and flip it. You are doomed unless you repent!

  • I cant believe she played the racist card -she is so greedy.

  • Playing the race card. Typical

  • Now she's faithless and with junk in her trunk for real. Come on now. Hey kid you do know that you will have to answer to God for this stupidity of an excuse for loosing your faith. If you lost faith in God for this than you never really had it.SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE FOR FAITH IN OTHER PEOPLES MONEY. DIG DEEP FOR THE TRUTH THE MONEY WON'T LAST.

  • His wife is of German ancestry. In fact their surname so rare my research has brought to the conclusion that her father was a Nazi scientist brought under project paperclip. Her bloodline could be SS material. If so than what would a nigger be in her presence? This is probably her perspective, not intentionally but ingrained in her.

  • @AfroSchmuck Oh and that nigger lady doesn't deserve a penny. Her back alley prostitution gave her hemorrhoids, you don't get that from a confrontation from another woman LOL! Crack head or something?

  • @AfroSchmuck why the racist N word that was not needed to get your point across?

  • @Tigerex966 I understand you concern, but it is absolutely 100% necessary.

  • @AfroSchmuck

    No this lady does not deserve one red cent and should apologize to all involve and pay all court cost for this false allegations and even with all that she does not deserve to be called any of the names you have attributed to her, lair, yes, money grabber, yes, and many others, but not what you called her unless you have evidence we dont..

  • @AfroSchmuck

    In any event I hope the truth comes out and that it all works out for good for those who love God and forgiveness not hate and name calling of people we dont know wins out. Peace and may God Bless and Lead you.

  • I think sharon brown is the racist here.

  • thats billions these bible con artists are rich

  • @pharmfarm59368,

    Yes, and yes.

    Myself, I hate that when that happens.

  • Now let me get this right? Victoria elbowed the girl in the boob and it caused her to lose her faith in Christ and also for her hemorriods to flare up? Are not the hemorriods in a different location on the anatomy?

  • @pharmfarm59538 ..yes thats true..but you tell me... if someone kicked you in your testicles would you feel it in other places of your body??

  • The quotable false Prophet Joel Osteen on Larry King Live, King asks Joel, What if you're Jewish or Muslim, you don't accept Christ at all? Osteen then responds, you know, I'm very careful about saying who would and wouldn't go to heaven. I don't know. Joel Osteen by his very words denies that acceptance of Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior is the only way that salvation is possible for the unbeliever.

  • The quotable false Prophet Joel Osteen on Larry King Live, King asks Joel, if you believe you have to believe in Christ? They're wrong, aren't they? Osteen then responds, Well, I don't know if I believe they're wrong. But I just think that only God will judge a person's heart. I spent a lot of time in India with my father. I don't know all about their religion. But I know they love God. Joel by his own ignorance or deceit equates the god(s) of Hinduism with that of the Lord Jesus Christ!

  • Dala - Jesus left heaven to take on the form of MAN / Hell was created to "deal with" the eternal forms of fallen angels / Its our seeking & receiving Jesus that brings forgiveness / the apostles had last names (you need to find a ref. bible perhaps?) / God is 3 yet 1 : Father, Son, Holy Spirit // Mankind was fashioned LIKEN to God, not the other way around // sorry for short answers but the box is only so big & you wont be a christian if you really do not want to know God.

  • LOL 10% of the net worth

  • She's either a hypersensitive basket case or an opportunistic liar.

  • Black women are very racist towards white women that have money.

  • ok im black and im not seeing where the racismcame in....i think ppl are just out to get money....i dont agree with all these mega preachers but i dont see what the big deal was. what did she say that was harmful of racist?

  • 10% ? wtf!! bloody little thief...

  • shes asking for 10% net worth. what a winner.

  • She suffered from hemorroids because she's full of sh*t

  • You talking about a Race that was sent to America Had the Indians do all the plowing and help build houses, and Steal man woman and children from another land, and then start fortune 500 companies of the Holocaust. Youre people is just lazy in a more corporate way I guess... LOL...

  • So what you think....... Trailor park and Middle class white people dont have food stamps. I have seen a woman at a grocery store near the "white" side of town pull out her American Flag card. "FOODSTAMPS" Get off the Lazy S&^% about black people

  • @jokanenc Laziness is one of the white people attributes! black people are lazy but how come they worked for white people over 600 years for free?!...White people don't usually start from the bottom, whatever they have they have been given to them!!!! they still inherit lands which was owned their great grand fathers who also happened to be slave owners!...Life is a cycle, if your father was rich you happen to go to a good school and later on you would inherit what he also has inherited!

  • It looks like a racism, but the shoe is on the other foot.

    Black (or colored, African American, and such) person(s) always get away with anything simply calling the other person a racist. In fact, they are the only racists.Oh yeah, freeloaders too. Just look around and you will see yourself.

    The flight video, civil jury, all the facts show Victoria is innocent. That makes this Brown woman a liar and a cheat. Hemorrhoids are caused by sitting on a butt all day long. Get a job already.

  • This Video DOESNOT says or proves anything in supprt of the Topic presented by the person who posted it.!! its just another LOSER video in an attempt to demean blessed people.... I bet Jealousy is one of the reason for all this couseless attacks !! Guys.... God has blessed Osteen family & will be blessing more.. so yu better not try to step inbetween GOD & Osteen family !! You better watch out your back & worry about ur salvation Through CHRIST !!

  • Obviously Ms. Brown just want money... and at the same time try to get popularity. n yet.. she didn't even win the case. God is in His servants favor! AMEN

  • she just wanted money. if joel and victoria are as 'bad' as everyone claims, then let God be the judge of that, back off.

  • She is asking for 10% of Osteen's net worth...

    Money grubber!!!

  • Nothing strange about having hemorrhoids. I worked with a partner, and he drank mylanta like sodas because of acidic stomach and reflux. Said if he didn't take it, he was suffer burning sensations in his intestines and out the chute and complained about hemorroids...I am just glad I didn't strike a match. If they got this guy on the witness stand, I think he would back up the attendant's story.

  • "[...]caused her to lose her faith... and suffer from hemorrhoids"

    LOL!!! That's like a line straight out of South Park... "everyone lived happily every after - except for Kyle who died of HIV".

    Guess god punished infidels with hemorrhoids.

  • @ToMattri : I have hemorrhoids and I don't act like her. lol

  • hemorrhoids?

  • WOW

  • In 2006, Victoria was fined $3,000 by the Federal Aviation Administration for an alleged 2005 altercation with Continental Airlines flight attendants over a spill...

    I guess the govt. judged...does that mean we are all in trouble?

  • wow both are lost souls :(

  • Brown is fake and Victoria is a racist.

  • "MY CHRISTIAN HOLYSPIRIT COMMENT *REPENT* THE CHURCH IS CURSE* *WITH FALSE CHRIST TEACHERS* WHO ARE * LIVING ON BIRTH CONTROL? *REAL CHRISTIANS SHOULD OBEY GOD *John15*10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love* JESUS SAID* *MATT 5:42 Give to him that Asketh Thee, and from him that would Borrow of Thee turn Not thou Away*OBEY GOD* BUY MY HOLYSPIRIT BOOK*MY BOOK TITLE*TELLS THE CURSE** BIRTH CONTROL IS SINFUL IN THE CHRISTIAN MARRIAGES AND ALSO ROBBING GOD OF PRIESTHOOD CHILDREN*"

  • INDCON...you are out of line and are in danger of judgement....you are touching God's annointing that resides on Joel...and are disrepectful of it, and shouldnt be cause God called him not you......read it..."touch not my annointed and do my prophets no harm"...I am sure you will have a rebutle....makes no difference to me...Lakewood is still an Oasis of Love....and your promotions are like the Dead Sea....stagnent and going nowhere.

  • It is God's anointing of the Holy Spirit, that lets me know Joel Osteen mishandles the Word of God. And it is BOTH you and Joel who are false teaching and in danger, Luke 6:39.

    You deluded folks are often too predictable. So much so, a friend of mine made the following just for you:

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    "Touch Not My Anointed"..The command of God or the cries of the misled??

    independentconservative[.]com/­2008/02/26/touch_not/

  • If it is me danger...then so be it....if it is you in danger.....then so be it...I know its you....you know its me....Most important GOD knows and will deal with it...not me or you......Jesus is LORD....!

  • And AlmaLo1, I once walked in your shoes. Thank God through Jesus Christ He took me out of what you're in.

    Keep reading your Bible and Lord willing the Holy Spirit will let you see your error some day.

  • I especially enjoy when people claim they are leaving and keep coming back :-) .

    They claim to be true, but can't keep their own word.

  • remeber the way u judge others is the way u will be judged Love your brother and stop judging him, look into the mirror, the relationship with Jesus is personal, so start looking into the mirror and ask God to forgive you. God loves you, and so do I

  • redshield1977, it is out of love I warn people about this issue of the prosperity doctrine. This is not some game or trivial matter. The Lord told me if I get something cleared up in me, then I am able to freely help others, Matthew 7:1-5.

    You in your words towards me have judged me. Why is it OK for you, but you try to preclude me from the privilege?

  • And redshield1977, is the Lord Jesus Christ the ONLY means of salvation for anyone?

  • Perhaps for Christians. Those who know anything about Buddah will attest that a buddist does not believe in afterlife. Muslims are seeking 40 vigins and equal amount of camel loads of gold and silver in Heaven, so until these two decide to be saved the salvation is through Christ.

  • @MrCriticscritic I would be a christian if you are answer me the following questions: 1. Why did Jesus descend from heaven if he could forgive our sins while he was at his throne? Why did he created hell if he would forgive sinners? How could he be controlled by what he has created i.e time, hunger, death temptation? Is the Bible word of God? then why there is so many unidentified authors with no last name, Luke, Mathew, Mark? Why baptize in the name of the father if you believe Jesus is God?

  • If I hear one more person say "touch not my anointed" when you call these prophets out, I'm going to scream. They may not know any other scripture but they certainly have that one memorized.

  • there is nothing of God that resides with joel osteen.....if Jesus preached them same message joel osteen preraches He would of never been crucified

  • INDCON...no i would not like to think you bare hurting...wrong...ita just obvious...anyway...this is going no where...I love Joel Osteen...and his family I have known them for 30 years....and your accusations are way off and wrong....God blesses me with the truth I know....and has blessed me with. thbks for your time

  • AlmaLo1- You said "INDCON...no i would not like to think you bare hurting...wrong...ita just obvious", huh?

    If you know Joel, all the more reason for you to read your Bible more, so you can learn the truth. Then maybe you can help Joel.

    You make it obvious why Joel is so deluded, so is everyone around him!

    youtube[.]com/watch?v=U1owb1ne­td8

  • and by that comment I discern you are very hurt and still have unresolved issues...go ahead, use Jesus and hide but its obvious. I would not tell another bro or sis what you did. So with that..I close...hurt dogs, BITE (and continue to vomit)

  • You would like to think I'm hurting, but actually it is you who is hurting by staying in that bad doctrine you embrace.

    Yes they are dogs and yes they are feeding you spiritual vomit, just as is noted in 2 Peter 2. I didn't title it "vomit" God did and had Peter call it such.

  • WOW..INDCON..where is the love? Not feeling it here but ok....you know all, not gonna go there with you anymore. fyi...i have read James & lots more..I believe "he who saves souls is wise"...God saves, your own confessions saves...and He uses me to go in HIS name obviously you dont believe that.. I AM TRYING? to Sugar coat GREED? LOL...nope...How about you sugar coat PRIDE..go ahead...we know what happens next...oh...maybe you dont believe that either. I know this...you last comment was NASTY..

  • Of course you can't see any love in my statements, because the truth hurts and you're embracing some bad doctrine. If you knew the truth, you'd know it's in love. You keep reading your Bible though, because Lord willing, one day you'll realize Joel is taking for a wrong headed ride.

    And yea, once upon a time before I read books like James in full and studied, I thought people who act like I do now were nasty, but it turns out somebody loved me enough to be honest.

  • INDCON...Laughing at me?...I am the one that is laughing..at you....LOL....prosperity is more than money....hello-er....?! AGAIN....I answered your ???'s you refused...and what you have proven is that you are proud and somewhat "gran dios"...lol...no pun intended...LOL... get over yourself...plz....go save souls and serve the Lord...this is NOT seemly....quit being a grouch or stop saying you are Christ like which gives the rest of us a bad image

  • AlmaLo1 - You say "go save souls", only God can and I pray He helps you see the truth.

    I highly recommend you read the book of James from start to finish.

    You claim prosperity is more than money, but you don't realize true prosperity has nothing at all to do with money. You just want money and are trying very hard to sugar coat GREED.

    I know, because AlmaLo1, I used to spew that vomit the dogs feed to you.

  • I know all your statements, claims and proof texting, because I used to do that mess way before you. Thank God through Jesus Christ, He delivered me from that bondage!

  • INDCON...LOL..you are too much.....I did already you just refused it b/c it didnt have YOUR name on it....Prosperity=good, Good Health=good, Sound Mind=good...

    "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. James 1:16-18"

    Accept your good gifts and humble yourself....b/c humble is the way....God resist the proud....

  • AlmaLo1 - You cite scripture from James (all who know scripture are laughing, that you would even go there), but did James call the riches of this world good? Perhaps you should see James 2:5. Because James, CERTAINLY was NOT talking about money!

  • So AlmaLo1, you have not answered my question and you've only proven you are under delusion, mishandling the Word of God.

    1 Timothy 6:5

  • LONG LIVE PROSPERITY

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  • All the positive I need and I do believe this is on the channel's front page is John 3:16-21.

  • Independent, I worked in the medical field for many years noticed that some humans we treated made it a point to brag about being atheist but you can believe everyone of them that did this & had their "brush" with death..you know what they were crying out?

    God Help Me.

    Do you believe in the Book Of Life Just curious..and I am really enjoying this video & the comments.

    Anyone reading here just remember..when death comes calling your name it only knows your of the human race..not pcism.

  • hunny1967 - You asked if I believed in the Book of Life.

    I know there is a "Lamb's book of life", which I learned the names of saints is written in by God's grace, Revelation 21:27.

    I think Psalm 14:1 sums up the atheists and Romans 1:20 makes it clear they are without excuse, when they deny the reality of God.

  • akdraw..Whu are you referring to about "she" being a christian please?

    IF you are making ref. to me I refuse to take the bait but will clarify I am a sinner ok..BUT I do recognize that I am a sinner & I do ask for forgiveness & better myself.

    Independent..your a better person than me at this stage of my life..you care about others & I do to a point but it got to where I was physically threatened for saying God Bless..thats when I KNEW this country was in big trouble.

  • For all of you who feel 3 John 1:2 is for every Christian including yourselves and you use it to promote the "prosperity doctrine", that people like Joel Osteen promotes.

    You basically are saying poor Christians are evil, remember "just as your soul prospers".

    John's statement was not to you, you should be on 1 Timothy 6, instructions to Gentile Christians about wealth.

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  • akdraw1 - In case you didn't know. YouTube is not and never was my central base of operations. YouTube is simply a video dump for me to use when posting videos about pulpit pimps.

    I post some other material on my blip account at independentconserva[.]blip[.]t­v but it really is all put together at my blog.

    No matter how I'm living, without you believing on Jesus, you're going to burn. That's the issue you need to be pondering.

  • I meant all this stuff BELOW.

  • All this good stuff above is for the eminent IC.

  • I am sure you are an all right person, but look at yourself. I just came in the scene yesterday. I can tell you've spent a lot of time trying to get one over on people with your Scriptural knowledge.

  • What is it exactly I am promoting? Enlighten me. Frankly you sound biased and pedantic to me. When you tell others they are doing something, but you don't clarify yourself, you are simply promoting your superiority complex.

  • First of all, What are you referring to? I kid you not, I have no idea what you just said about mishandling this or that. Clarify yourself.

  • I think Osteen has a Bachelor of Arts degree in television production.

  • Joel took some classes at Oral Roberts U. in radio and television communications, to produce his daddy's sermons on radio and TV, but Joel never got a degree.

    A good video related to this matter of education: watch?v=U1owb1netd8

  • It's Flupachi, Chingalonga. If it is a true typo, forget this comment.

  • Joel And Victoria Osteen dotcom <-- EXPOSED! He is a 1 semester DROP OUT, NEITHER OF THEM have any Christian Service under their belt, they are just both two uneducated natural smooth salespeople who avoid any scripture or doctrine that says anything bad about/to ANYONE. They don't want ANYONE excluded from their sales pitch. They were HOUSE FLIPPERS before this! SALESPEOPLE!

  • Cool PhilipZ that is exactly my point. They both have no degree (drop outs) and the way that they word things- well it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out their game. Look at all the other Mega evangalist before them! Remamber Jimmy Swaggart and Pastor Baker-Ha...what a joke! Yeeaahhh...look at what good christians they were. Joel and Victoria Osteen are in the same class as the others!!!!In their case MONEY BUYS JUSTICE-did you see the verdict!?

  • That is a good point, their money might have swayed the verdict.

  • Who has anger issues?

  • Chonga, I am sorry, were you responding to me or someone else?

  • No Flipachi I was no responding to you!

  • The Lord stated that we sinners will do right by our children, how much more the Father will give us the Holy Spirit to them that ask. He is the Father of creation. His promises of eternal life are clearly outlined ALL OVER the New Testament. Read it with HUMBLE faith to help you resist the urge to question things in circles. You already know the answers because they are in your heart.

  • Jesus Christ. Humans have to admit we are sinners,ask for forgiveness (truly mean it in our hearts). Jesus died for our sins so that whoever believed in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

    I dont debate religion anymore I learned better,but you asked what I believe so there you go.

    Now may my post be ripped apart but I refuse to argue ok,you asked what my personal belief is & I was respectful enough to tell you what means the most to me..hope you understand.

  • hunny1967 - Thank you for your response.

    Please understand, my asking was not with any intention to "rip", but rather to ensure you knew and trusted in the Lord Jesus.

    If the Lord wills, I hope you continue sharing the message of Christ with others :-) .

  • Thank You Independent & both you & flupachi have a safe weekend. God Bless.

    Ciao.

  • Hope you saw the comment by k0smon. People like that are the ones I wanted to see the truth, so they are (again) left without any excuse. So if they saw your response, they have again seen truth. Because only those who believe on the Lord Jesus in truth will be saved.

    Hope you are having a good weekend as well.

  • The grace of God gets us into Heaven.

  • flupachi - You are correct to say the grace of God gets someone into Heaven, but by what means does the grace of God get someone into Heaven? How does one KNOW they will make it?

    Titus 2:11 says the grace of God appeared, bringing salvation to all men. He who appeared is the way, the only way, Jesus Christ. 2 Timothy 1:9 mentions grace was granted in Christ Jesus.

    One needs the grace of the Lord Jesus, which is from the love of God and sealed by the Holy Spirit, 2 Corinthians 13:14.

  • I have watched a few videos on this,scripture is flying! Just remember this ok,the DEVIL can quote the bible from front to bacl word for word ok.

    Just saying scripture & knowledge of it will not get one into heaven:)

    Ciao.

  • hunny1967 - I'm just curious, can you tell us in 500 characters or less what you think can get someone into Heaven?

    I agree someone simply having knowledge of scriptures does not save them, but I'd like to hear from you how someone gets into Heaven?

  • Independent: How do you get into heaven( or hell(s))? By dying. Everyone goes to the place they deserve. Heaven is about justice. Karma still works. Sorry, the bible is not a good reference. No fires in hell. Just darkness. See "Life in the World Unseen" by someone who lives in that realm and speaks from experience.

  • k0smon - You are wrong and people like you are why I started having people talk about it. So you could hear the truth. Many other comments here display the truth, but works won't and cannot save you.

    Jesus is your ONLY hope.

  • INDCon....you may need to forgive someone for taking advantage of you....I am not "in the ministry"...I am a giver...so i am not looking to line my pockets but to further the kindom. the Gospel is free but the pipeline is expensive...I can testify that up to now....I am content...

  • But the money you are giving you are giving to people who promote prosperity doctrine. That makes you party to the false doctrine being promoted.

    You claim contentment, because you are content in false doctrine.

  • INDCONS....what is your agenda? Sounds like you are a scoffer....I have read what you are saying to others in Gods name....and as God wills....and Jesus and mercy...but all I hear from you is BUT, BUT, BUT....are you a goat or a sheep?....I conclude if I were to believe as you are coming across, the bible would just be a book....because hey.....it was never literal to us....hmmmmmm I am not a novice....and this dear, ....is a vain conversation....

  • AlmaLo1 - I am here, to let you know you're deluded and will be held accountable to God for the lie you promote as the gospel of Christ, when the prosperity doctrine promoted by Osteen and yourself is untrue.

  • INDCONSERV....thanks for letting me know...you too will also be held accountable for your promotions.....just plz stop being like a little old man that has the SAME argumentative question...."where does it say in the bible about your best life now"....PLZ its boring....and it is A SETUP to the responder...cause all your are really trying to do is topple another's belief and pat yourself on the head!!! I know in whom I serve all and you are nothing like HIM!

  • So you're saying you can't answer my question?

  • Brown is racist..maybe the ones closest to her can help her.

    Osteen is a pretty,white woman with money & Brown thought she hit the lottery.

    Kudos to the Jurors.

  • i agree, lazy racist flight attendant going after that poor white girl

  • IndCon...I cannot see the connection you are making with Mat 13:22....now moving on....Tell you what....you want your worst life now...by all means...go ahead. I will not decifer which versus apply to me and which dont...and neither should you. I happen to believe 3 John 1:2 is for me. We will never agree because you have a very different perspective....

  • AlmaLo1 - I was once in the same thorns you are in today. And I hope to God through Jesus Christ, that you are one day delivered, if He so wills. He granted me mercy from that false prosperity doctrine and I pray he does the same for you.

    You HAVE TO be aware of who is being spoken to in scripture and why. But at this time you're proof texing for whatever you hope might line your pockets.

  • Alma, I agree with you. If John's words were good enough for the Father, they are good enough for us.

  • Flupaci...Thanks....and ;-) God bless...

  • flupachi - You are mishandling the Word of God in your promotion of "prosperity doctrine. Paul the apostle to the Gentiles wrote this for you:

    1 Timothy 6:5 NASB

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    and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.

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    Being a Christian does not mean you will have any wealth at all. You all have failed in claims that the Bible affirms "your best life now".

  • Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. 3 John 1:2

    Here you go independentconserv.....maybe you should read your bible...

  • AlmaLo1 - That was the Apostle John's prayer to a man he knew. That was not a blanket declaration to the church, that all saints would have their "best life now".

    So let me ask you, how come the Apostles of the Lord Jesus and the churches they started were all so poor and not claiming "your best life now"? Or have you not read 1 Corinthians 4:11?

    Which of the churches in the Bible was a big money "mega church" teaching prosperity now? Go read 1 Timothy 6.

  • AlmaLo1,

    3 John 1:2 was NOT for you, it was written to:

    "The elder to the beloved Gaius, whom I love in truth." John 1:1

    You also should consider:

    Matthew 13:22

    "And the one on whom seed was sown among the thorns, this is the man who hears the word, and the worry of the world and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. "