One of the biggest myths is the "Palestinians everywhere before Israel was established". The reality is that there were Jewish neighborhoods and settlements for thousands upon thousands of years. In fact the original map for Israel was drawn based on those neighborhoods, and Jerusalem has always had a high density of those who identify with Judaism. Saying that Israel displaced all of the Palestinians is incorrect, some areas Palestinians never lived in like Haifa and Tel Aviv and have no claim.
I wish if they could drop white phosphorous bombs on them just like they did and killed 322 childrens of Gaza? How many Israelies died from Qassam rockets 16??
the "Palestinians" are good at one thing i'll tell you that much, propaganda. they have pretty much all non jew liberals, and many jews as well, duped that they're a "people" in the first place, and that they're the poor oppressed good guys in all this. one of the best con jobs of all time.
phone the buildings they were going to bomb and let the occupants know that there was a bomb coming in an hour and to get out.....unfortunatley HAMAS would take the opportunity to pack the building with martyrs aka women, old men and children.
If HAMAS did not fire from such buildings then the IDF would avoid hitting them. The problem is that HAMAS knows they cannot win so what they do is use human shields and hide in mosques, schools hospitals in the hope the IDF will hit them there. HAMAS's strategy is simply 'we cannot win a military victory so lets win a press victory by making everyone feel sorry for civilians killed. What is not reported is that the IDF went to almost insane lengths to protect civilians...etc they would actually
@ginjaninja1988 Why is it that the 117-page Amnesty International report "found no evidence of Palestinian militants using human shields to stop Israeli attacks, but it accuses the Israel Defence Forces of launching attacks from buildings in which Palestinian civilians were sheltering, and charges Israeli forces with killing hundreds of unarmed Palestinian civilians and wanton destruction of thousands of homes."??
Palestinians have NEVER been caught using himan shields, ONLY Israel.
"These rockets do not have exploding heads". Then explain how there have been multiple casualties from missile attacks? Grad rockets and mortars have explosive heads, that's just a fact.
LOL "even when Hamas isn't firing rockets". What we should give them a fucking cookie for temporarily stopping firing rockets at civillian neighborhoods? THis is the same bitch that works for al arabia that can be seen laughing in a video as Hamas uses the building she is in as a missile launch site, in effect using her as a human shield. Does she get angry with Hamas? No she fucking laughs, and god knows if Israeli return fire hit the building she would be screaming "down with terrorist Israel"
Hamas has formed something like a terrorist industrial complex in gaza and the west Bank. They store weapons in schools and hospitals, they grab random people when under attack and use them as human shields then cry bloody murder when Israel defends themselves from violence. These people are sick I cant believe so many have been fooled into thinking they deserve a state. These people celebrated in the street after the trade center fell and 3000 people died. What mentality dose that show.
Well as the Palestinians use their mosques in order to store and fire rockets from, the Israelis are obliged to attack them of course. It's a no brainer actually
There has neverbeena month when Hamas "didn't fire a dingle rocket". Fucking hypocrites, if Israel sneezes over the border then it is a violation of the treaty, but if Hmas fires 10 rockets instead of hundreds in a month then it was just a few incidents that can't be blamed on Hamas. What a joke! Just like with the Golan Heights...They use their elevated position to shell Israeli cities indescriminately and when Israel takes this position as a buffer zone you bitch and cry. NOBODY CARES!!!!
These victims are all so smart, but they never see any of their own violence, its always them reacting to the injustice done to them, do they ever look at what they do? Teaching children with TV programs, to be little jihad warriors, all these freedom fighters and liberals are very confused, its so easy to only see the poor Palestinians as victims, they are, why?? Because they act like savages and scare the shit out of everybody, that then turns good people into monsters, its so easy to see!
@LcplMartin1986 I agree! Its all good when the Palestine terrorists hides behind the civilians. WTF is Israel supposed to do then? Request them to come out?? WTF!!!
And has he mentioned the word 'occupation' at all in this clip? How many times have Fox News used the word 'occupation' and 'illegal under int' law' in its reporting on this topic? Bcos without reporting news events in context, it only serves to misguide and misrepresent, to use his word, what all this is really about and it doesn't serve to educate the American public at all..
Why doesn't he address and rebut each point made by the Palestinian? Isn't it his duty as a news person to correct and clarify comments he find misleading and 'misrepresenting'? No...he simply choses to ignore what she had said and dismiss all those points conveniently as 'misrepresenting'!!
Notice how this interviewer choses to simply dismiss the Palestinian's comments as ' you are completely misrepresenting the facts, but I'll move on..' and how he continues to perpetuate the lie that Hamas uses its own Palestinian civilians as human shields even though the only party that claims so is the IDF ( claims not supported by any other human rights groups, which are way more neutral than the IDF)? Isn't that very revealing of him?
@IBeatUpThugs I wish Americans aren't like you..swallowing up every propaganda and lies produced by Israeli governments. I did my research and studies on this topic, not just watching Fox News and the likes. What about you? And wait.....'anti-semitic'??? Oh my, spare us your crap. Aren't u trying to slander critics of Israel's policies so as to avoid any serious discussion on the topic?
@PeaceForMidEast Videos of Hamas and Hezbollah brainwashing their kids and walking around in ski-masks, documents and quotes denying Israel, calling for death of Jews, Crazy Muslim leaders calling for Israel's destruction, historical record of Arab complicity with Nazis. You label all that propaganda. You haven't done any research. And 95% of anti-Israel discussion is "fuck the jews" or using inapplicable emotionally charged words like genocide and apartheid. Like I said, you're full of shit.
@IBeatUpThugs I'm full of shit? Obviously, you dont accept if someone disagrees with you. Yes, Hamas and Hezbollah instill in their children the hatred of Israel. But they need not do that. Israel's policies have themselves helped to incite violence and hatred towards Israel. BTW, there are also a lot of 'pro-Israel' argument out there that even deny the existence of the Palestinian people!! Shocking!
@IBeatUpThugs Most impt of all, I haven't said anything that condemns all Jews. I condemn only Israel's illegal occupation. In fact, I condemn the linkage btw Zionism and Judaism. I believe one can hate Zionism but have no problems with Jews per se, just as you can condemn Islamic extremism but you dont necessarily have to be an Islamophobic person.
@IBeatUpThugs Unless if you so chooses to link the two tgt. Also, you haven't mention the word 'illegal occupation' have you? Cos without it, ur arguments are shallow and without context. Context is the key. Notice I haven't stood to ur level by calling u a 'shit'? That's bcos I did my research and can back them up, unlike you who has to depend on name-calling to get by. Get real!!
@PeaceForMidEast Please show me where I called you a shit. Typical lies from a terrorist supporter. You don't recognize a lie as it comes out of your mouth. That's why I don't discuss facts with you. There is not illegal occupation. It's not possible for Jews to illegally occupy Jerusalem, that's like black people illegally occupying Africa. There are no Jewish settlements in Gaza. Just Israel defense.
@IBeatUpThugs Easy. 'Like I said, you're full of shit'. You call me names but u dont have the courage to admit to it. Says a lot abt u. I'm a terrorist supporter? 'Just Israel defense'? Prove it. Prove that I support terrorism. Dont just put out big statements like that without backing it up. Cos that would only show all of us you are ignorant abt this conflict.
@PeaceForMidEast Still lying I see. "You're full of shit" is not "calling you a shit". Sorry I can't have discussions with people who are intentionally dishonest. What's the point? You just want to distort the truth to vilify me. Just like your terrorist heroes. I see you've learned a lot from them. Thanks for helping me understand why so many people root for these terrorists, because they think just like them.
@IBeatUpThugs Me trying to vilify u? Have I called u a terrorist supporter, or a person 'full of shit'? I have terrorists as my heroes? That's a big insult, but I'll pardon u cos u have nth better to say than to slander me. I am intentionally dishonest? Well, I back everything I've said with facts, unlike u who keep putting out statements without anything to prove it. Be glad I'm continuing a conversation with a ignorant person like u.
@PeaceForMidEast Hey, you started talking to me. Be glad I'm talking to you at all. You begin by disrespectfully saying claims of antisemitism are crap. There is a lot of antisemitism going on, particularly in calling Israel criminals. Double standards, guilt til proven innocent, and still claiming guilt after innocence of Israel is proven. Jews are not all trying to slander you when antisemitism is brought up. Maybe you're too biased to look at things objectively and see it for what it is.
@IBeatUpThugs Yes, I started this conversation. But you are the one who started, and would end up, calling ppl names and slandering Israel's critics.I didn't deny that there is anti-semitism in the world, but I believe criticising Israel isn't anti-semitic. No, there's no double standards. Israel simply wouldn't abide by int' law. It would simply refer to Sudan, N Korea and Iran and hide behind these nations' crimes.I am too biased? Again, an unsupported claim from u.
@PeaceForMidEast Your opinions are ignorant of strategies of war, and ignore there are 2 sides in a conflict. Your solution is basically for Israel to stop defending itself in anyway, and stake their lives on the naive idea that Muslim terrorists who openly deny Israel, target civilians, and call for death of JEWS, will suddenly stop everything. Seems very naive to me.
@IBeatUpThugs I ignored there are 2 sides in this conflict?? I want Israel to stop defending itself? Prove it. Where have I deny Israel the right to self-defense? Or did I only just condemn Israel's claim that it is defending for its survival when all it is doing is to defend itself against the consequences of its illegal occupation?
@PeaceForMidEast You are calling a defensive blockade an illegal occupation. I assume your position is Israel should stop monitoring Gaza's borders. Allowing suicide bombers and terrorists to freely walk into Israel and murder the civilians they continuously target. That's a naive idea.
@IBeatUpThugs You have no idea how much suffering this illegal blockade has caused to the Palestinian people. You dont even know that this blockade is illegal under int' law. Most impt of all, u dont even know that this blockade hasn't weaken Hamas' rule, instead it further fuels hatred towards Israel and worsen Gaza's humanitarian condition. As for the rest of ur comments, there aren't substantiated with facts. Just more big unsupported statements from u.
@IBeatUpThugs 'There is not illegal occupation'? This statement totally shows u are either ignorant or you so choose to remain blind when facts are not with you. Me naive? U are, cos u ignore facts and int' law. Also, the reason why u dont discuss facts with me is not bcos I lie.
@PeaceForMidEast Everyone who fights in a war is violating international law. Islamic countries are violating international law all over the place. Even against their own citizens.
@IBeatUpThugs Again, you are trying to use the same old tactic that every Israeli apologist employ- shifting the attention to other countries. Why talk abt other countries and not Israel? I remember starting this conversation talking abt the Israel-Palestinian conflict...not how Saudi Arabia or other countries treat their own people. Just tell me straightly if u find it uncomfortable to talk abt Israel's own crimes, yeah?
@PeaceForMidEast No tactic. Just normal sensible civilized people discussing the real world. When the UN ignores every other country and focuses insanely disproportionally on Israel it is a valid point. Your view is a bubble which ignores the ways of the world. And biased perspective where Jews are assumed guilty and evil from jump. Israel is defending itself, maybe in a manner you are not knowledgeable enough to understand.
peaceforMIDEAST. There are many other countries in the Mid East.
@IBeatUpThugs No, u are trying to lie that the UN ignores every other country in the world. Isn't this statement plain ignorant? The UN did not focus on Israel in a disproportionate way, in fact, Israel, a small country with a history of 60 yrs, has disproportionally violated and ignored many UN resolutions ( go check this out and u'll know where the disproportionality lies). I ignore the ways of the world? Support this statement with facts.
It hasn't disproportionately violated anything. It has been disproportionately ruled against. This is and endless circular discussion not worth having with you. Israel is a small country yes. That's why no one cares about offending it, while they are a bit more reluctant to offend the entire Muslim world and Middle East that owns the worlds oil.
@IBeatUpThugs A discussion 'not worth having with' me? All the better. I'm glad u've relieved me of the agony of talking to an ignorant person who keeps putting out big statements, but who cant support it with facts. Besides that, u are also great at slandering people by labelling them 'terrorist supporter'. But too bad, u are bad at having a honest and fact-based argument, which I've been looking for here.
@IBeatUpThugs@IBeatUpThugs Jews are assumed guilty? Get real. Don't hide behind the evil of anti-semitism to avoid valid criticism of Israel. Israel defending itself in a manner I'm nt knowledgeable to understand? You mean why I cant understand how Israel can claim to be defending its survival when all it is doing is to defend against the consequences of maintaining an illegal occupation and defend its illegal occupation?
@PeaceForMidEast I already asked you what is your solution? Israel stop blockading Gaza? What do you really think will happen after that? Because guess what, it will lead to more violence not less.
The only way to peace is Muslim extremists becoming civilized, which I doubt is happening anytime soon. Forcefully stopping them from doing any damage is the only option. Do you deny Hamas are terrorists who want to destroy all of Israel? You don't want to discuss Saudis but who funds Hamas?
@IBeatUpThugs Who aided Hamas and gave aid to Hamas in the 1980s? Who helped created Hamas so as to counter PLO's influence and as part of its 'divide and rule' policy? My solution is to abide by int' law, lift the blockade, and engage Hamas in negotiations. Israel has always talked to Hamas, whether u like it or not and whether it is an open official policy or not. Talk to Hamas, bcos u make peace by talking with ur enemies, not ur friends.
@PeaceForMidEast Well your solution is idiotic. Lift the blockade, then talk. Sounds well thought out. And when they do that and Hamas immediately starts killing Israeli civilians what will you say "oops"? No big deal to you a few Israelis die. But of course Israel would strike back and you would be the first to scream about how horrible they are. Hamas does not talk, they shoot civilians, including their own, and throw people off of buildings. What planet do you live on?
@IBeatUpThugs My solution is idiotic? Hamas would start killing Israelis immed. after the blockade is lifted? I wouldn't care for the lives of Israelis? These three statements is similar with one another: they are all borne out of desperation and ignorance. What makes u think that Hamas would start killing Israelis once the blockade is gone?
@PeaceForMidEast "Neither the liberation of the Gaza Strip nor the liberation of the West Bank or even Jerusalem will suffice us. Hamas will pursue the armed struggle until the liberation of all our lands. We don't recognize the state of Israel or its right to hold onto one inch of Palestine. Palestine is an Islamic land belonging to all the Muslims." -Dr. Mahmud al-Zahar, Hamas leader in Gaza
@IBeatUpThugs..aren't u desperate? Throwing at me a quote like this? I can easily give u a similarly-radical statement from Israel's politicians. Instead, u are so ignorant u didn't even know that Hamas has alr said it is willing to accept a pre-1967 border solution, a solution Israel rejects. What can u say abt Israel's rejection of the pre-1967 solution, a solution accepted by everyone else except Israel and the U.S.?
@IBeatUpThugs FYI, the interior minister under Ehud Olmert also said that the IDF shld, in response to a rocket attack, choose a neighbourhood in Gaza, urge its citizens to leave, and then destroy the entire neighbourhood. Incumbent FM Avigdor Lieberman called for Arabs to be expelled from Israel.
@IBeatUpThugs Golda Meir denied the existence of the Palestinian people. See, we can give each other many radical quotes from both sides. But instead of focusing solely on the rhetoric, why don't u look at the reality? Or is it that u can only make ur case based on the rhetoric of Hamas and Hamas only and not based ur case on int' law and reality?
@PeaceForMidEast How is that rhetoric of a radical? It's consistent government policy. Since you claim it is a radical quote, you can certainly find me tons of quotes from Hamas saying Israel exists and has right to occupy Israeli territory like Tel Aviv. You claim Hamas will stop attacking Israel if they end the blockade, find me a quote where THEY state they have any intention of doing that. When you make concessions to terrorists, they view at as weakness and become MORE likely to attack you
@IBeatUpThugs 'How is that rhetoric of a radical? It's consistent government policy'? If denying the very existence of the Palestinian people and their right to self-determination isn't radical, but 'consistent govt' policy', while denying Israel's right to exist and the Jews' right to self-determination is radical...? You are making no sense at all here.
@IBeatUpThugs 'You claim Hamas will stop attacking Israel if they end the blockade, find me a quote where THEY state they have any intention of doing that'? Go study the June 2008 truce, which Israel broke first on Nov 4, thus inviting the barrage of retaliatory rocket fire from Hamas (can be found on Israel's MFA website), which then serves as an excuse for Israel to attack Gaza.
@IBeatUpThugs Hamas' conditions for the truce is the gradual but substantial lifting of the blockade and no Israeli incursion into Gaza, in exchange for halting rocket fire. Israel's own Shin Bet said it is impressed with how well Hamas has enforced the ceasefire. Mark Regev himself said there was no Hamas rocket fire until after the Israeli provocation on Nov 4. All these can be verify on Israel's own MFA website.
@PeaceForMidEast And still rocket fire from Gaza the entire time which Hamas did not stop, though it was their responsibility. They arrest people firing rockets, then let them go with no charges. It was Hamas who said they did not want to extend the truce, not Israel.
@IBeatUpThugs Yes, there was occasional rocket fire from Gaza during the ceasefire- by fringe groups such as Islamic Jihad, which isn't included in the truce. Hamas has arrested and jailed ppl who try to fire rockets at Israel during the truce. If Israel, the greatest military power in the region, cannot even stop the rocket launchers, how can u expect Hamas to totally rein in rocket attacks by other groups it does not control?
@IBeatUpThugs BTW, Hamas wanted to extend the truce- on condition that this time round Israel would really lift the blockade in exchange for a halt in Hamas rocket fire. Israel didn't agree to those terms. Israel wants Hamas to unilaterally cease all rocket fire- without any talk abt lifting the blockade. If you are Hamas, would u give everything to Israel without getting anything back? Get real on this!
@PeaceForMidEast Yes I would. Because what other interest does Israel have in Gaza other than stopping rockets from being fired into Israel? None. Whoever is firing them, Hamas needs to take care of that. If even one rocket get's fired into Israel Hamas is accountable for that. If even one rocket got fired into whatever country you live in you would have a totally different opinion.
@IBeatUpThugs Oh you would? So you would halt all attacks against Israel unilaterally without having the blockade lifted? What a desperate and hypocritical answer! You would agree to those terms?? Haha, get real.
@PeaceForMidEast You ignore the fact there are still rockets fired into Israel in 2010. Hamas is responsible for arresting and punishing anyone who fires a rocket from Gaza. The attacks you criticize Israel for are the only thing which have ever prevented Hamas or anyone else from attacking Israeli civilians, then you turn around and call it the peacefulness of Hamas.
@IBeatUpThugs You ignore the fact that those rockets arent' fired from Hamas; they are fired by al-Qaeda-inspired extremist groups in Gaza, groups that opposed Hamas. You ignored the fact that the 4 main factions in Gaza have ceased all rocket fire against Israel. You have ignored the fact that Israel itself was impressed with how well Hamas has maintain the June 2008 truce and how Israel basically ignored its own obligations to gradually lift the blockade.
@PeaceForMidEast Quite frankly, you live in a fantasy land where terrorists are rational and peaceful deep down. Israelis having rockets fired at them don't have that luxury. But of course you have no concern for their lives or security. In your mind anyone being terrorized should just cave in to all demands and that brings peace. That is not how the real word works. When you submit to bullies, that only invites more bullying. The proper way to deal with a bully is to stand up to him.
@IBeatUpThugs Yup, I'm living in fantasy and I dont know how the real world works...The fact is that u have ignored all the facts that u can even find on Israel's own MFA website!!! Your own govt' sources!! Without anything concrete to rebut my points, u turn to name-calling and slandering: 'of course you have no concern for their lives or security.'. What I would say is get real, argue based on facts.
@PeaceForMidEast Yeah you don't. Your ideas are not grounded in reality. Your ideas are like, let's completely ignore these terrorists and hopefully they don't kill us. In reality when you end a blockade on Gaza, they will immediately smuggle in more, bigger and better weapons. And massacre Israelis.
You're willing to bet lot's of OTHER people's lives on your belief that even violent religious fanatics are good people deep down. And being kind to them will change them. Rational people aren't.
@IBeatUpThugs My ideas aren't grounded in reality? Hmm.. I argue based on facts, not big statements like 'Hamas is a good guy'. Instead, u haven't given any facts to support ur arguments. I didn't say Israel shld just ignore Hamas, in fact quite the opposite. I would want Israel to engage Hamas and extend the truce based on halting rocket fire in exchange for lifting the blockade.
@PeaceForMidEast Well the truce needs to stop ALL rocket fire. Not one rocket gets fired in to Israel. Israel has no choice but to fight against terrorist attacks on it's civilians. You can't say well Hamas stopped firing rockets so that's a truce, when other groups still are. Bottom line is it's up to the people of Gaza to be civilized. In the long run Israeli actions will turn all of Gaza into a civilized area. Lifting a blockade unconditionally will not.
@IBeatUpThugs Haha. U seem to think that Hamas controls all factions in Gaza, even those al-Qaeda-inspired extremists who opposes Hamas. What a tall order, given that the most powerful military in the region, u-know-who, cant even stop all rocket attacks, much less a ragtag army like Hamas!!! Up to Gazans to be civilized? Israel would make them civilized? What a joke! U kill ppl, u deny them the right to life and self-defence, and that's considered making them 'civilized'? Get real!
@PeaceForMidEast HAHA! You just stated 500 times how effective Hamas is in stopping attacks. Now you contradict your own self. If Hamas has no ability to stop terrorists in it's own borders, why should Israel lift a blockade? You want them to allow free access of weapons to terrorists you yourself agree Hamas can not control. Makes no fucking sense. Internal politics of Gaza is their responsibility. If they can't handle it, it's Israel's responsibility to go in to Gaza and do their job for them
@IBeatUpThugs If Israel, the greatest power in the region, cant even stop all rocket fire, can a ragtag army like Hamas achieve what Israel has failed to achieve? I was saying that Hamas has,on its part, halted all Hamas rocket fire, and tried to stop other groups. But Hamas doesn't control them, so its unrealistic to expect Hamas to achieve what Israel has failed to achieve. You make no sense at all in suggesting this.
@IBeatUpThugs B4 u 'HAHA!', pls make sure u read my comments carefully. I wouldn't mind u making a fool of urself here, but it doesn't serve the purpose of a honest conversation here, yeah? BTW, I was wondering how u can expect Hamas to achieve what Israel failed to achieve. Pls explain in detail why u think Hamas is so powerful??
@PeaceForMidEast Nice strategy, Ignore every time I shut your arguments down and propose a new question. Very honest conversation there.
You said Hamas is effective, then they are not. You say Israel fighting terrorists in Gaza is an illegal occupation, then you say Israel has failed to stop terrorists. You contradict yourself every step of the way. Do you deny Hamas has the responsibility to stop terrorists withing their borders? Gaza is not in Israel, they have only obligation to Israelis.
@IBeatUpThugs I didn't pose new qns to u but I addressed every qns u posted, except the one abt 'what possible interest Israel would have in Gaza besides stopping terrorism?' bcos u have consistently ignored my qns, qns that u are stuck at and cant seem to answer. Nice strategy from u, and it shows how honest a debate u rly want here. This comment of urs is lame, are u trying to blur what I've said bcos u simply cant answer them head on?
@PeaceForMidEast OK. I will restate it for you then you answer my question. Israel could easily stop all terrorists in Gaza, but if they step foot or fire into Gaza you and the rest of the world call them aggressors. If Israel went into Gaza to stop terrorists, Hamas would fight them and claim they are invaded. Israel would fight Hamas and you would object.
Hamas does not stop other terrorists, and gets angry when Israel does. So essentially they enable and support all terrorists in Gaza.
@IBeatUpThugs I would not reply to any of ur comments and qns unless u learn to be honest and courageous enough to answer my 3 qns. This is my last notice to u, yeah? So show everyone u are courageous enough to answer my three qns, which, apparently, are too difficult for u to handle. Goodbye..
@PeaceForMidEast Well nice talking to you. It's clear you can't answer the most basic question of what interest Israel could possibly have in Gaza, and you tried desperately to ignore it in pitiful fashion. The obvious reason being there is no interest in Gaza, and that realization makes all of your arguments pointless, and we both know that. Hamas is interested in perpetuating a war, Israel in living in peace. Terrorists are fighting solely in the name of Islam as they do in many countries.
@IBeatUpThugs Say whatever u want. But that doesn't change the fact that u have ignored many of my qns ( while I ignored one of ur many qns as a response to u ignoring my qns). Too bad for u, anyone who has read our conversation would find a dishonest and cowardly person in you. Lastly, I have enjoyed answering all ur qns, though I'm disturbed by the fact that u chose to ignore my qns. How's the feeling of getting owned, IBeatUpThugs? Goodbye!!
@PeaceForMidEast Well it's clear that you look an idiot from this conversation. And you have been broken down to the infant you really are for all to view. You shot question after question at me to redirect conversation every time I shut down your arguments. I answered them. You ignored my answers and whined that I didn't.
But the most damaging fact is you can't think of a single reason Israel would attack Gaza unprovoked and I stated multiple reasons Gaza does. Which makes you the "owned" one
@IBeatUpThugs Every honest man would see that u haven't answered my qns, and I did answer every qns of urs ( except one of them which is a natural response on my part to ignore ur qns as a result of u ignoring my many qns). So u can go rant on abt how I 'shot qns after qns' at u and how I 'ignored' ur qns. U dont even have the courage to admit u are the one who ignores my qns. Again..how does it feel to get owned?
@IBeatUpThugs U have also shown urself to be the 'idiot' and the 'infant'. 'you can't think of a single reason Israel would attack Gaza unprovoked '? Looks like u've been sleeping thr' out the entire conversation. I've stated the illegal Israeli occupation and the Palestinians' right to resist an illegal occupation for Hamas' attacks.
@IBeatUpThugs That resistance on the part of the Palestinians invite retaliatory attacks by the occupier Israel. To put it short, the occupier (Israel) attacks the occupied (Gaza) to crush any resistance that the occupied offered. By asking me this qns, u've pretty much shown everyone u're the idiot. Have u answered my 3 qns yet??
@IBeatUpThugs However ignorant u are, I believe u wouldn't truly believe that an occupied people should not resist his colonial masters? Oh...maybe u would, given that ur ans. to my qns 'If you are Hamas, would u give everything to Israel without getting anything back?' is...'Yes I would.'!!! Given all these, it is hard for u to deny that u've been 'owned'!!!
@PeaceForMidEast Colonial masters how? Typical anti-Israel rhetorical nonsense. All you know is repetition of terms and have no thought process behind it. That's called being brainwashed. And that's quite circular reasoning. I ask you why Israel would want to "occupy" Gaza, and you tell me because they are occupying Gaza.
Why is Israel interested in Gaza? Do you think they want to live there? They already left? Do you think they just enjoy war? Do you think they want to annex Gaza? WHY?
@IBeatUpThugs Haha. The sad reality is that u can play around with words and mislead everyone with ur nonsense, but u cant change the fact that Israel is still, under int' standards, the occupying power in E Jerusalem, WB and Gaza. As for why I think Israel wants to occupy Gaza, well the answer is the same as why Israel continues to occupy the WB.
@IBeatUpThugs Your qns is based on the false premise that I am an Israeli military strategist or an Israeli govt official. I do not understand why Israel maintains its occupation except for one reason: Israel wants to annex them in the future. That's the only possible reason given the realities Israel created on the ground: settlements. Your view on this?
@PeaceForMidEast I'm not asking you for strategies. Just your belief why Israel would want to militarily occupy Gaza other than self-defense. You level serious charges against Israel, but can't establish basic motive. As you know there are no settlements in Gaza. If they wanted to annex Gaza or build settlements why did they leave? Makes no sense and obviously they were trying to make concessions to have peace. Muslims are interested in perpetuating conflict for politics and obvious reasons.
@IBeatUpThugs The reason why Israel wants to occupy Gaza other than self-defense and its 'basic motive' has already been addressed in my previous comment: eventual annexation. Reason why Israel dismantle all its settlements in Gaza then? Considering the fact that Israel placed 12,000 new settlers to the WB a yr after the Gaza 'pullout',
@PeaceForMidEast 1. Israel withdrawed from Gaza in goodwill, Hamas continued its acts of terrorism. 2. Jewish settlements in the West Bank existed before 48, some for centuries. But ofcourse Jews are barred from settling Arab spots, while Arabs have the right (so says the world) to settle Israel. There is no excuse for Pale Terrorism which begin in the 1920's before "evictions" or "Occupation". This war is more religious than political.
@sugarhitman Israel withdrew from Gaza even though it maintains absolute control of Gaza's airspace, sea border, and all land borders ( except Rafah)? Israeli civilians are barred from settling on occupied land, and that's under int' law ( of course a bigot like u would ignore int' law). Arabs in Israel are citizens of Israel while Israeli settlers in WB are not Palestinian citizens. I'll stop all useless conversation with u abt this video. Bye.
@PeaceForMidEast Yes Jews are barred from "Occupied land" nevermind the fact that Jews lived in the West Bank and Gaza for hundreds of years...there was a Jewish presence there before the Arab marauders.....the UN said nothing when these ancient communites were thrown out by the Arabs.....thats UN justice for you....the selfrightoues enforcer of "Int. Law".
@sugarhitman Palestinians civilians (750,000 of them) were evicted by the Zionists even though they have been living there for years. U dispute that. Israel's been settling Israeli citizens on occupied Palestinian land even though it's illegal under int' law. U dispute that. There has always been a Palestinian people ( at least even during the British Mandate) and the Jews never at any time constituted the majority population. U dispute that. Aren't u out of touch with reality?
@IBeatUpThugs one can see that the Gaza 'pullout' was only a tactical step to strengthen Israel's grip on the WB. By 'withdrawing' from Gaza and strengthening its grip on the WB, does that sound like a peace overture to u? I'm not 'levelling serious charges' against Israel. I dont invent laws and Israeli policies.Israel's occupation is illegal under int' law and every nation except Israel understands this.
@PeaceForMidEast Israel should remain in those territories. Pre-67 Palestinian/ Egyptian terrorists often infiltrated Israel murdering citizens, while Syria bombarded Israel from the Golan Heights. Jordan expelled those indigenous Jews from Jerusalem in addition to sniping innocent Jews....and the World said nothing. Israel decides to defend itself the world makes an uproar....So be it.
@sugarhitman '..so be it.'? That pretty much sums up ur attitude on this conflict. Might is power! And that's what rly matters. To hell with int' law and human rights! As long as we have the M-16s and the F-16s, we can continue this grabbing of land under the umbrella (pretext, of course) of self-defense and anti-semitism...maybe add in the Holocaust also to remind the world that we can do illegal things bcos we suffered under Hitler. Bye!
@PeaceForMidEast "Might is power" yes it is...and weakness doesnt always have right on it side....no more than an under-armed criminal against the SWAT. Its a good thing the Israelis have the technological edge over the Arabs, their would be exterminators. Judea land of the Jews...a land that had a continous Jewish population since Roman times....and they sold their land to no one...so how did the Arabs get it? By robbery...now the Jews have it back...and thats justice.
@sugarhitman Funny u would equate Palestinians as 'under-armed criminal' while Israel is now the 'SWAT' force. That pretty much means I'll stop conversing with u by May 15, or any other earlier date that u would prefer. Cos would I want to talk any much longer with a person living in lalaland?
@PeaceForMidEast As much as you'd like to believe so, Hamas and Israel are not equals in morality and civility at this point, and it's foolish to claim they are. No I don't think all Palestinian people are terrorists. But a violent Hamas did win in a landslide victory, against more peaceful alternatives. And there still exists a violent radical Muslim philosophy there with no parallel in Israel.
@IBeatUpThugs Yes, they are not equal in morality. There is no equality in an occupation. I didn't say they are on par.Yes, not all Palestinians are terrorists just like not all Israelis support the illegal occupation! Hamas won the election. It may be sad for u but learn to accept it, learn to be a little bit more respectful of the Palestinians.
There is no moral dilemma in violating a law that calls for you to die. There are things above the law, like not letting people kill you. You like to throw around the word occupation because it is a stupid term which implies to uneducated masses something different than what exists in Palestine. Which is a common sense defensive control of all means of attack on innocent Israeli civilians. Against a people who have never stopped demonstrating their intent to target and kill innocent people.
@IBeatUpThugs No, ending the illegal military occupation in the WB, Gaza and E Jerusalem isn't suicide for Israel. Tell me how is it suicide for Israel to stop occupying other people? The problem with u is that u have started on the wrong premise: that obeying int' law is suicide for Israel. If that's rly so, then many of ur PM have been discussing Israeli suicide for years with the PA?!!
@PeaceForMidEast I don't believe in the concept of Israeli suicide. I am talking about international law that requires even one Israeli citizen to die is not acceptable. Law is not divine, often it is not sensible or practical, and very often it is written by criminals themselves to oppress minorities, and enforced by prejudiced individuals. One thing I'm sure you'll agree with is that no Muslim country is concerned with international law. They want to ignore it, then demand it's protection.
@IBeatUpThugs 'And there still exists a violent radical Muslim philosophy there with no parallel in Israel'? You seem to forget the extreme right-wing in Israel that calls for the elimination/ expel of all Arabs. No parallel?
@IBeatUpThugs True, in ur opinion, that is. The fact is that u chose to ignore the extreme right-wing in Israel, the people in Israel who calls for the expulsion of all Arabs. Once u recognised that, talk to me abt radical Islam. I recognised there is a phenomenon called radical Islam. But u wont even have the courage and honesty to recognise ur own extreme right-wing is as cruel and inhumane as radical Islam.
@PeaceForMidEast There is no equivalent. Stop lying. Islam has the most violent lunatics on Earth. Way beyond anything in Judaism, Christianity or any other religion. That is beyond question of any intelligent man. Yes many Israelis want to kick out all Arabs from Israel. Not exterminate them. Not intentionally murder and terrorize their civilians. This is a stupid argument and shows you will go to any depth to deny the obvious to make your case.
@IBeatUpThugs Let me say this: I wouldn't even bother to give u my response to ur latest comments. Cos u didn't bother to answer my qns: 1) If Israel, the greatest power in the region, cant even stop all rocket fire, can a ragtag army like Hamas achieve what Israel has failed to achieve?
@PeaceForMidEast I already answered this. For one thing you've stated numerous times that Hamas can be effective in stopping it.
How could Israel stop it without going into Gaza? Which you would call illegal occupation. You and the UN would call all collateral damage war crimes and label dead terrorists as civilians and cry genocide.
Additionally it is Hamas' job to figure out how to stop it like any other government, not Israels. The obvious issue is Hamas is not interested in stopping it.
@IBeatUpThugs Hamas is not interested in stopping rocket attacks? Check ur own MFA website and the statistics. FYI, I've said the Shin Bet found Hamas to be careful and is impressive with Hamas' efforts to stop rocket attacks. But I didn't say that Hamas is effective in stopping ALL rocket attacks, smth which u demand of them even though Israel itself cant achieve. BTW, u havent answer my 3 qns yet! Haha, u are so desperate.
@PeaceForMidEast That was a response to question 1. I hit reply to that question. I don't know why it is not aligned right, but I didn't design youtube software. It's pretty clear what is a response to your questions. You are ridiculous that I answer your questions and you keep crying "when do you answer my 3 qns". I am answering them 1 by 1. It's pretty obvious you are just stalling to avoid the simple question of why you think Israel would give a shit about Gaza other than defense.
@IBeatUpThugs No, u have not answered any of my three qns. Of course u hit the reply button, but u did not answered my qns. Do it this way: answer me in sequence 1) to 3). BTW, I've told u the answer to ur qns 'why you think Israel would give a shit about Gaza other than defense?' is that the occupier is simply crushing any resistance offered by the occupied.
1) For one thing you've stated numerous times that Hamas can be effective in stopping it.
How could Israel stop it without going into Gaza? Which you would call illegal occupation. You and the UN would call all collateral damage war crimes and label dead terrorists as civilians and cry genocide.
Additionally it is Hamas' job to figure out how to stop it like any other government, not Israels. The obvious issue is Hamas is not interested in stopping it.
2) No right calls for extermination of Arabs, like Palestinians and the Hamas Charter does to Jews.There's no aspect of Judaism that says kill non-Jews.
Israel recognizes Islamic states and has said you recognize us as a Jewish state and we will recognize you. But palestinians demand the "right of return" to Israel, not a state. Because they'll rapidly outnumber jews, take over politically and no more Jewish state. No Islamic nation would allow that threat from Jews or anyone else.
@IBeatUpThugs To stop this vicious cycle, get out of all of the Palestinian Territories as stipulated under int' law. Haven't u read this in my previous post?? Now..get back to the topic and answer my 3 qns in sequence!! The fact that u didn't answer my qns goes to only suggest that u have no concrete answers to it. Show me otherwise.
@IBeatUpThugs It's so laughable that u chose to put words in my mouth instead of answering my 3 qns head-on. Why not do it this way? According to the sequence of my qns, number ur answers from 1) to 3) so that everyone can see that u've given ur full answers to my 3 qns. Now u dont have any more excuse to ignore my qns, bcos I've done u a favour by answering all ur qns!
@IBeatUpThugs 2) You seem to forget the extreme right-wing in Israel that calls for the elimination/ expel of all Arabs. Have u recognise that? 3) I'm still waiting for u to tell me abt ur response to the Israeli MFA website statement.
@PeaceForMidEast No one calls for extermination of Arabs, like Palestinians and the Hamas Charter does to Jews.There's no aspect of Judaism that says kill non-Jews. Israel recognizes Islamic states and has said you recognize us as a Jewish state and we will recognize you. But palestinians demand the "right of return" to Israel, not a state. Because they'll rapidly outnumber jews, take over politically and no more Jewish state. No Islamic nation would allow that threat from Jews or anyone else.
@PeaceForMidEast That is your question 2 genius. Right in Israel isn't same as radical Islam.
If you want me to respond to a particular quote on a particular website why haven't you sent a link like I asked. Do you think I memorized the entire internet?
We know that Hamas broke the terms of the truce by firing rockets into Israel. Israel goes to a specific location of a tunnel used to kidnap Israelis. That's not merit for rocket fire at civilians.
@IBeatUpThugs Extreme right in Israel isn't the same as radical Islam? Of course, that is true. Except the fact that both call for the elimination (killing/ expulsion have no moral difference; they are all racist and against int' law) of an entire people. You still did not recognise that?!
@PeaceForMidEast You cannot compare Israel with Gaza. Most Palestinians support terrorism, while most Israelis do not. And I support expulsion. All Palestinain hostiles should be expelled from Israel...let the live in Jordan or Lebanon....wait they were thrown out of those countries because of the terrorism.
@IBeatUpThugs I'm sure u know how to use the Internet, and the MFA website isn't that complicated. Hamas broke the ceasefire first? Just type 'Mark Regev Hamas rockets' to see Mark Regev's interview on who broke the ceasefire.
@IBeatUpThugs By ignoring my qns, and instead trying to change the flow of the conversation by asking new qns, it shows the depth of ur ignorance and expose the utter weakness of ur case. Get real. Don expect any more replies from me from now on...unless u answer the three qns above. Goodbye..till u have the courage to answer my qns.
@PeaceForMidEast I answered all of those questions if you pay attention. Send me a link to what statement you are talking about on the MFA website.
You haven't answered the most important question, what does Israel care about Gaza other than stopping terrorists. If you can't answer that none of your arguments make any sense, since they are based on the idea that Israel is just interested in attacking Gaza for no reason.
@IBeatUpThugs Let me say this: I wouldn't even bother to give u my response to ur latest comments. Cos u didn't bother to answer my qns: 1) If Israel, the greatest power in the region, cant even stop all rocket fire, can a ragtag army like Hamas achieve what Israel has failed to achieve?
@IBeatUpThugs 2) You seem to forget the extreme right-wing in Israel that calls for the elimination/ expel of all Arabs. Have u recognise that? 3) I'm still waiting for u to tell me abt ur response to the Israeli MFA website statement
@IBeatUpThugs By ignoring my qns, and instead trying to change the flow of the conversation by asking new qns, it shows the depth of ur ignorance and expose the utter weakness of ur case. Get real. Don expect any more replies from me from now on...unless u answer the three qns above. Goodbye..till u have the courage to answer my qns
@PeaceForMidEast I'm still waiting for your opinion on what possible interest Israel would have in Gaza besides stopping terrorism. We know Hamas still believes that all of Israel belongs to them, and would conquer it and kill every Jew were it in their power. That's why ending a blockade would result in 100 times more attacks on Israeli civilians. Logically the REAL first step to peace is for them to state unequivocally and openly that Israel is a Jewish state they have no interest in.
@IBeatUpThugs I'm still waiting for u to tell me abt ur response to the Israeli MFA website statement. I'm still waiting for u to recognise the right of the Palestinians to resist an illegal occupation and their right to self-defence. I'm still waiting for u to even recognise that there is an illegal occupation going on, smth so basic that u chose to ignore!!
@IBeatUpThugs I'm still waiting for u to tell me abt ur response that the blockade doesn't weaken Hamas but it only serves to hurt Palestinian civilians. I'm still waiting for u to explain the existence of Article 4 of the LON's covenant which states that Palestine is an 'independent state'. I'm waiting. But I know the chances of u answering them is low, cos u have the habit of ignoring others' qns while keep throwing qns at other ppl.
@IBeatUpThugs When u argue abt the blockade, u have simply ignored the fact that the blockade impacts only the Palestinian civilians not Hamas. Are u being rational by not arguing based on facts?
@IBeatUpThugs So, given Hamas' ability and will to carry on a ceasefire, I have no reason to disbelieve it would halt attacks against Israel once the blockade is lifted. Think: if you are Hamas, would u risk another blockade by attacking Israel again. BTW, u seem to be ignorant that the 4 main factions in Gaza, including Hamas, has already cease all rocket fire against Israel, a fact less well-reported.
@PeaceForMidEast And I have no doubt if the terrorists would stop attacking Israel, they would lift the blockade. The difference is you are arguing about the logic and peacefulness of a proven terrorist group, which claims all of Israel is theirs. I'm talking about a defensive civilized democracy which has no interest in Gaza other than stopping terrorist attacks.
@IBeatUpThugs The fact is that u have ignored Hamas' proven ability and means to abide by a ceasefire with Israel! I'm not saying that Hamas is a peaceful, humanity-loving perfect org! You are putting words into my mouth! Why do u keep ignoring ur own MFA website which states that Hamas was careful to maintain the ceasefire and that the Shin Bet was impressed with Hamas' holding on to the ceasefire?
@IBeatUpThugs 'When you make concessions to terrorists, they view at as weakness and become MORE likely to attack you'? By lifting the blockade and relieving the Palestinians' dire humanitarian situation, by allowing food and medicine and water in, by allowing Palestinians to have medical care, by rebuilding schools and food factories, u are making concessions to terrorists?
@IBeatUpThugs Come on, get real. Do u really think the blockade has weaken Hamas? Or has it strengthen Gazans' dependency on Hamas and fuel further hatred towards Israel? Dont talk b4 u think through all those facts.
"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it".
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937
One of the biggest myths is the "Palestinians everywhere before Israel was established". The reality is that there were Jewish neighborhoods and settlements for thousands upon thousands of years. In fact the original map for Israel was drawn based on those neighborhoods, and Jerusalem has always had a high density of those who identify with Judaism. Saying that Israel displaced all of the Palestinians is incorrect, some areas Palestinians never lived in like Haifa and Tel Aviv and have no claim.
Tri1umph 12 hours ago
I wish if they could drop white phosphorous bombs on them just like they did and killed 322 childrens of Gaza? How many Israelies died from Qassam rockets 16??
shadowofears 4 days ago
Who Did Uss Liberty Attack? Israel is a Terrorist state That will Destroy America
shadowofears 4 days ago
One little thing isn't the media supposed to be impartial
moley8787 3 weeks ago
the "Palestinians" are good at one thing i'll tell you that much, propaganda. they have pretty much all non jew liberals, and many jews as well, duped that they're a "people" in the first place, and that they're the poor oppressed good guys in all this. one of the best con jobs of all time.
BillKiernan 1 month ago
phone the buildings they were going to bomb and let the occupants know that there was a bomb coming in an hour and to get out.....unfortunatley HAMAS would take the opportunity to pack the building with martyrs aka women, old men and children.
ginjaninja1988 2 months ago
If HAMAS did not fire from such buildings then the IDF would avoid hitting them. The problem is that HAMAS knows they cannot win so what they do is use human shields and hide in mosques, schools hospitals in the hope the IDF will hit them there. HAMAS's strategy is simply 'we cannot win a military victory so lets win a press victory by making everyone feel sorry for civilians killed. What is not reported is that the IDF went to almost insane lengths to protect civilians...etc they would actually
ginjaninja1988 2 months ago
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@ginjaninja1988 Why is it that the 117-page Amnesty International report "found no evidence of Palestinian militants using human shields to stop Israeli attacks, but it accuses the Israel Defence Forces of launching attacks from buildings in which Palestinian civilians were sheltering, and charges Israeli forces with killing hundreds of unarmed Palestinian civilians and wanton destruction of thousands of homes."??
Palestinians have NEVER been caught using himan shields, ONLY Israel.
shadowofears 4 days ago
"You have never been to Gaza". Then he details his numerous trips to Gaza and the West Bank and his experiences there. OWNED.
ParamoreWorshipper 2 months ago
"These rockets do not have exploding heads". Then explain how there have been multiple casualties from missile attacks? Grad rockets and mortars have explosive heads, that's just a fact.
ParamoreWorshipper 2 months ago
LOL "even when Hamas isn't firing rockets". What we should give them a fucking cookie for temporarily stopping firing rockets at civillian neighborhoods? THis is the same bitch that works for al arabia that can be seen laughing in a video as Hamas uses the building she is in as a missile launch site, in effect using her as a human shield. Does she get angry with Hamas? No she fucking laughs, and god knows if Israeli return fire hit the building she would be screaming "down with terrorist Israel"
durhamdf 3 months ago 2
@durhamdf yeah i chuckled when she said the "even when they're not" line.
BillKiernan 1 month ago
Slap the whore.
007agentmr 3 months ago
Hamas has formed something like a terrorist industrial complex in gaza and the west Bank. They store weapons in schools and hospitals, they grab random people when under attack and use them as human shields then cry bloody murder when Israel defends themselves from violence. These people are sick I cant believe so many have been fooled into thinking they deserve a state. These people celebrated in the street after the trade center fell and 3000 people died. What mentality dose that show.
W9ILL 3 months ago
LOL!!! She made him look like a bitch. He didn't prove anything all he did was try changing the conversation... What a joke.
MyGameMakerTuts 5 months ago
Yeah! Destroy that bitch!
gabriellaisrael 5 months ago
Well as the Palestinians use their mosques in order to store and fire rockets from, the Israelis are obliged to attack them of course. It's a no brainer actually
thekingofassholes 6 months ago
I'll never understand how a WOMAN, let alone an unveiled woman, can defend the Palestinians. It's like a black person defending the Ku-Klux-Klan
thekingofassholes 6 months ago 4
well done my good man! we need more people like you who can see beyond the shallow hypocrisy and lies of the palestinian authorities!
azonshine 6 months ago
This woman is a lying pig.
laobaixing2012 9 months ago
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Where are the PRO-PALESTINIAN comments on this page?????? hahhahhaaa
10000caveman 9 months ago
WEre are the PRO_ PALESTINIAN comments on this page?????? hahhahhaaa
10000caveman 9 months ago
@10000caveman
Theyre too busy firing rockets! DUH!!
Aerodeth 7 months ago
There has neverbeena month when Hamas "didn't fire a dingle rocket". Fucking hypocrites, if Israel sneezes over the border then it is a violation of the treaty, but if Hmas fires 10 rockets instead of hundreds in a month then it was just a few incidents that can't be blamed on Hamas. What a joke! Just like with the Golan Heights...They use their elevated position to shell Israeli cities indescriminately and when Israel takes this position as a buffer zone you bitch and cry. NOBODY CARES!!!!
durhamdf 9 months ago
These victims are all so smart, but they never see any of their own violence, its always them reacting to the injustice done to them, do they ever look at what they do? Teaching children with TV programs, to be little jihad warriors, all these freedom fighters and liberals are very confused, its so easy to only see the poor Palestinians as victims, they are, why?? Because they act like savages and scare the shit out of everybody, that then turns good people into monsters, its so easy to see!
saltytsp 9 months ago 4
Good job man!....You just made her ur own personal Bitch!....LMAO!!
aniketranade 11 months ago
The whole (sane) world needs to stop supporting those awful "Palestinians."
ChachaChapati 1 year ago 2
hahahahahahahahaha, palestinian legal advisor. OXIMORON.
GeetarGuy505 1 year ago 2
Oh yes, Israel should just stand bye and let them fire ROCKETS..... mother fucking ROCKETS into Israel civilian targets?
LcplMartin1986 1 year ago 16
@LcplMartin1986 I agree! Its all good when the Palestine terrorists hides behind the civilians. WTF is Israel supposed to do then? Request them to come out?? WTF!!!
aniketranade 11 months ago
Oh dayum gurl you dun got yerself served!
123backinyerface 1 year ago 4
Damn! Well done Sir! You kicked her sorry lying ass.
adognoW 1 year ago 14
LOL!!! Awesome... what ever happened to Diana?
Ivannahumpalo1 1 year ago
And has he mentioned the word 'occupation' at all in this clip? How many times have Fox News used the word 'occupation' and 'illegal under int' law' in its reporting on this topic? Bcos without reporting news events in context, it only serves to misguide and misrepresent, to use his word, what all this is really about and it doesn't serve to educate the American public at all..
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
Why doesn't he address and rebut each point made by the Palestinian? Isn't it his duty as a news person to correct and clarify comments he find misleading and 'misrepresenting'? No...he simply choses to ignore what she had said and dismiss all those points conveniently as 'misrepresenting'!!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
Notice how this interviewer choses to simply dismiss the Palestinian's comments as ' you are completely misrepresenting the facts, but I'll move on..' and how he continues to perpetuate the lie that Hamas uses its own Palestinian civilians as human shields even though the only party that claims so is the IDF ( claims not supported by any other human rights groups, which are way more neutral than the IDF)? Isn't that very revealing of him?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
HE SHUT HER UP.... they are all brainwashed
pilgrimspath 1 year ago
Ahahaha finally someone tells the truth !
Fiorentina222 1 year ago
Nice. Wish more American citizens were that sharp and on point.
Palestinians are so full of shit. You have to be retarded to fall for their propaganda.
Or perhaps just antisemitic to begin with.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago 2
@IBeatUpThugs I wish Americans aren't like you..swallowing up every propaganda and lies produced by Israeli governments. I did my research and studies on this topic, not just watching Fox News and the likes. What about you? And wait.....'anti-semitic'??? Oh my, spare us your crap. Aren't u trying to slander critics of Israel's policies so as to avoid any serious discussion on the topic?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Videos of Hamas and Hezbollah brainwashing their kids and walking around in ski-masks, documents and quotes denying Israel, calling for death of Jews, Crazy Muslim leaders calling for Israel's destruction, historical record of Arab complicity with Nazis. You label all that propaganda. You haven't done any research. And 95% of anti-Israel discussion is "fuck the jews" or using inapplicable emotionally charged words like genocide and apartheid. Like I said, you're full of shit.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs I'm full of shit? Obviously, you dont accept if someone disagrees with you. Yes, Hamas and Hezbollah instill in their children the hatred of Israel. But they need not do that. Israel's policies have themselves helped to incite violence and hatred towards Israel. BTW, there are also a lot of 'pro-Israel' argument out there that even deny the existence of the Palestinian people!! Shocking!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs Most impt of all, I haven't said anything that condemns all Jews. I condemn only Israel's illegal occupation. In fact, I condemn the linkage btw Zionism and Judaism. I believe one can hate Zionism but have no problems with Jews per se, just as you can condemn Islamic extremism but you dont necessarily have to be an Islamophobic person.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs Unless if you so chooses to link the two tgt. Also, you haven't mention the word 'illegal occupation' have you? Cos without it, ur arguments are shallow and without context. Context is the key. Notice I haven't stood to ur level by calling u a 'shit'? That's bcos I did my research and can back them up, unlike you who has to depend on name-calling to get by. Get real!!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Please show me where I called you a shit. Typical lies from a terrorist supporter. You don't recognize a lie as it comes out of your mouth. That's why I don't discuss facts with you. There is not illegal occupation. It's not possible for Jews to illegally occupy Jerusalem, that's like black people illegally occupying Africa. There are no Jewish settlements in Gaza. Just Israel defense.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs Easy. 'Like I said, you're full of shit'. You call me names but u dont have the courage to admit to it. Says a lot abt u. I'm a terrorist supporter? 'Just Israel defense'? Prove it. Prove that I support terrorism. Dont just put out big statements like that without backing it up. Cos that would only show all of us you are ignorant abt this conflict.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Still lying I see. "You're full of shit" is not "calling you a shit". Sorry I can't have discussions with people who are intentionally dishonest. What's the point? You just want to distort the truth to vilify me. Just like your terrorist heroes. I see you've learned a lot from them. Thanks for helping me understand why so many people root for these terrorists, because they think just like them.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs Me trying to vilify u? Have I called u a terrorist supporter, or a person 'full of shit'? I have terrorists as my heroes? That's a big insult, but I'll pardon u cos u have nth better to say than to slander me. I am intentionally dishonest? Well, I back everything I've said with facts, unlike u who keep putting out statements without anything to prove it. Be glad I'm continuing a conversation with a ignorant person like u.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Hey, you started talking to me. Be glad I'm talking to you at all. You begin by disrespectfully saying claims of antisemitism are crap. There is a lot of antisemitism going on, particularly in calling Israel criminals. Double standards, guilt til proven innocent, and still claiming guilt after innocence of Israel is proven. Jews are not all trying to slander you when antisemitism is brought up. Maybe you're too biased to look at things objectively and see it for what it is.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs Yes, I started this conversation. But you are the one who started, and would end up, calling ppl names and slandering Israel's critics.I didn't deny that there is anti-semitism in the world, but I believe criticising Israel isn't anti-semitic. No, there's no double standards. Israel simply wouldn't abide by int' law. It would simply refer to Sudan, N Korea and Iran and hide behind these nations' crimes.I am too biased? Again, an unsupported claim from u.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Your opinions are ignorant of strategies of war, and ignore there are 2 sides in a conflict. Your solution is basically for Israel to stop defending itself in anyway, and stake their lives on the naive idea that Muslim terrorists who openly deny Israel, target civilians, and call for death of JEWS, will suddenly stop everything. Seems very naive to me.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs I ignored there are 2 sides in this conflict?? I want Israel to stop defending itself? Prove it. Where have I deny Israel the right to self-defense? Or did I only just condemn Israel's claim that it is defending for its survival when all it is doing is to defend itself against the consequences of its illegal occupation?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast You are calling a defensive blockade an illegal occupation. I assume your position is Israel should stop monitoring Gaza's borders. Allowing suicide bombers and terrorists to freely walk into Israel and murder the civilians they continuously target. That's a naive idea.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs You have no idea how much suffering this illegal blockade has caused to the Palestinian people. You dont even know that this blockade is illegal under int' law. Most impt of all, u dont even know that this blockade hasn't weaken Hamas' rule, instead it further fuels hatred towards Israel and worsen Gaza's humanitarian condition. As for the rest of ur comments, there aren't substantiated with facts. Just more big unsupported statements from u.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs 'There is not illegal occupation'? This statement totally shows u are either ignorant or you so choose to remain blind when facts are not with you. Me naive? U are, cos u ignore facts and int' law. Also, the reason why u dont discuss facts with me is not bcos I lie.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Everyone who fights in a war is violating international law. Islamic countries are violating international law all over the place. Even against their own citizens.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs Again, you are trying to use the same old tactic that every Israeli apologist employ- shifting the attention to other countries. Why talk abt other countries and not Israel? I remember starting this conversation talking abt the Israel-Palestinian conflict...not how Saudi Arabia or other countries treat their own people. Just tell me straightly if u find it uncomfortable to talk abt Israel's own crimes, yeah?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast No tactic. Just normal sensible civilized people discussing the real world. When the UN ignores every other country and focuses insanely disproportionally on Israel it is a valid point. Your view is a bubble which ignores the ways of the world. And biased perspective where Jews are assumed guilty and evil from jump. Israel is defending itself, maybe in a manner you are not knowledgeable enough to understand.
peaceforMIDEAST. There are many other countries in the Mid East.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs No, u are trying to lie that the UN ignores every other country in the world. Isn't this statement plain ignorant? The UN did not focus on Israel in a disproportionate way, in fact, Israel, a small country with a history of 60 yrs, has disproportionally violated and ignored many UN resolutions ( go check this out and u'll know where the disproportionality lies). I ignore the ways of the world? Support this statement with facts.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
It hasn't disproportionately violated anything. It has been disproportionately ruled against. This is and endless circular discussion not worth having with you. Israel is a small country yes. That's why no one cares about offending it, while they are a bit more reluctant to offend the entire Muslim world and Middle East that owns the worlds oil.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs A discussion 'not worth having with' me? All the better. I'm glad u've relieved me of the agony of talking to an ignorant person who keeps putting out big statements, but who cant support it with facts. Besides that, u are also great at slandering people by labelling them 'terrorist supporter'. But too bad, u are bad at having a honest and fact-based argument, which I've been looking for here.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs @IBeatUpThugs Jews are assumed guilty? Get real. Don't hide behind the evil of anti-semitism to avoid valid criticism of Israel. Israel defending itself in a manner I'm nt knowledgeable to understand? You mean why I cant understand how Israel can claim to be defending its survival when all it is doing is to defend against the consequences of maintaining an illegal occupation and defend its illegal occupation?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast I already asked you what is your solution? Israel stop blockading Gaza? What do you really think will happen after that? Because guess what, it will lead to more violence not less.
The only way to peace is Muslim extremists becoming civilized, which I doubt is happening anytime soon. Forcefully stopping them from doing any damage is the only option. Do you deny Hamas are terrorists who want to destroy all of Israel? You don't want to discuss Saudis but who funds Hamas?
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs Who aided Hamas and gave aid to Hamas in the 1980s? Who helped created Hamas so as to counter PLO's influence and as part of its 'divide and rule' policy? My solution is to abide by int' law, lift the blockade, and engage Hamas in negotiations. Israel has always talked to Hamas, whether u like it or not and whether it is an open official policy or not. Talk to Hamas, bcos u make peace by talking with ur enemies, not ur friends.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Well your solution is idiotic. Lift the blockade, then talk. Sounds well thought out. And when they do that and Hamas immediately starts killing Israeli civilians what will you say "oops"? No big deal to you a few Israelis die. But of course Israel would strike back and you would be the first to scream about how horrible they are. Hamas does not talk, they shoot civilians, including their own, and throw people off of buildings. What planet do you live on?
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs My solution is idiotic? Hamas would start killing Israelis immed. after the blockade is lifted? I wouldn't care for the lives of Israelis? These three statements is similar with one another: they are all borne out of desperation and ignorance. What makes u think that Hamas would start killing Israelis once the blockade is gone?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast "Neither the liberation of the Gaza Strip nor the liberation of the West Bank or even Jerusalem will suffice us. Hamas will pursue the armed struggle until the liberation of all our lands. We don't recognize the state of Israel or its right to hold onto one inch of Palestine. Palestine is an Islamic land belonging to all the Muslims." -Dr. Mahmud al-Zahar, Hamas leader in Gaza
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs..aren't u desperate? Throwing at me a quote like this? I can easily give u a similarly-radical statement from Israel's politicians. Instead, u are so ignorant u didn't even know that Hamas has alr said it is willing to accept a pre-1967 border solution, a solution Israel rejects. What can u say abt Israel's rejection of the pre-1967 solution, a solution accepted by everyone else except Israel and the U.S.?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs FYI, the interior minister under Ehud Olmert also said that the IDF shld, in response to a rocket attack, choose a neighbourhood in Gaza, urge its citizens to leave, and then destroy the entire neighbourhood. Incumbent FM Avigdor Lieberman called for Arabs to be expelled from Israel.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs Golda Meir denied the existence of the Palestinian people. See, we can give each other many radical quotes from both sides. But instead of focusing solely on the rhetoric, why don't u look at the reality? Or is it that u can only make ur case based on the rhetoric of Hamas and Hamas only and not based ur case on int' law and reality?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast How is that rhetoric of a radical? It's consistent government policy. Since you claim it is a radical quote, you can certainly find me tons of quotes from Hamas saying Israel exists and has right to occupy Israeli territory like Tel Aviv. You claim Hamas will stop attacking Israel if they end the blockade, find me a quote where THEY state they have any intention of doing that. When you make concessions to terrorists, they view at as weakness and become MORE likely to attack you
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs 'How is that rhetoric of a radical? It's consistent government policy'? If denying the very existence of the Palestinian people and their right to self-determination isn't radical, but 'consistent govt' policy', while denying Israel's right to exist and the Jews' right to self-determination is radical...? You are making no sense at all here.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs 'You claim Hamas will stop attacking Israel if they end the blockade, find me a quote where THEY state they have any intention of doing that'? Go study the June 2008 truce, which Israel broke first on Nov 4, thus inviting the barrage of retaliatory rocket fire from Hamas (can be found on Israel's MFA website), which then serves as an excuse for Israel to attack Gaza.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs Hamas' conditions for the truce is the gradual but substantial lifting of the blockade and no Israeli incursion into Gaza, in exchange for halting rocket fire. Israel's own Shin Bet said it is impressed with how well Hamas has enforced the ceasefire. Mark Regev himself said there was no Hamas rocket fire until after the Israeli provocation on Nov 4. All these can be verify on Israel's own MFA website.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast And still rocket fire from Gaza the entire time which Hamas did not stop, though it was their responsibility. They arrest people firing rockets, then let them go with no charges. It was Hamas who said they did not want to extend the truce, not Israel.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs Yes, there was occasional rocket fire from Gaza during the ceasefire- by fringe groups such as Islamic Jihad, which isn't included in the truce. Hamas has arrested and jailed ppl who try to fire rockets at Israel during the truce. If Israel, the greatest military power in the region, cannot even stop the rocket launchers, how can u expect Hamas to totally rein in rocket attacks by other groups it does not control?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs BTW, Hamas wanted to extend the truce- on condition that this time round Israel would really lift the blockade in exchange for a halt in Hamas rocket fire. Israel didn't agree to those terms. Israel wants Hamas to unilaterally cease all rocket fire- without any talk abt lifting the blockade. If you are Hamas, would u give everything to Israel without getting anything back? Get real on this!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Yes I would. Because what other interest does Israel have in Gaza other than stopping rockets from being fired into Israel? None. Whoever is firing them, Hamas needs to take care of that. If even one rocket get's fired into Israel Hamas is accountable for that. If even one rocket got fired into whatever country you live in you would have a totally different opinion.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs Oh you would? So you would halt all attacks against Israel unilaterally without having the blockade lifted? What a desperate and hypocritical answer! You would agree to those terms?? Haha, get real.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast You ignore the fact there are still rockets fired into Israel in 2010. Hamas is responsible for arresting and punishing anyone who fires a rocket from Gaza. The attacks you criticize Israel for are the only thing which have ever prevented Hamas or anyone else from attacking Israeli civilians, then you turn around and call it the peacefulness of Hamas.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs You ignore the fact that those rockets arent' fired from Hamas; they are fired by al-Qaeda-inspired extremist groups in Gaza, groups that opposed Hamas. You ignored the fact that the 4 main factions in Gaza have ceased all rocket fire against Israel. You have ignored the fact that Israel itself was impressed with how well Hamas has maintain the June 2008 truce and how Israel basically ignored its own obligations to gradually lift the blockade.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Quite frankly, you live in a fantasy land where terrorists are rational and peaceful deep down. Israelis having rockets fired at them don't have that luxury. But of course you have no concern for their lives or security. In your mind anyone being terrorized should just cave in to all demands and that brings peace. That is not how the real word works. When you submit to bullies, that only invites more bullying. The proper way to deal with a bully is to stand up to him.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs Yup, I'm living in fantasy and I dont know how the real world works...The fact is that u have ignored all the facts that u can even find on Israel's own MFA website!!! Your own govt' sources!! Without anything concrete to rebut my points, u turn to name-calling and slandering: 'of course you have no concern for their lives or security.'. What I would say is get real, argue based on facts.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Yeah you don't. Your ideas are not grounded in reality. Your ideas are like, let's completely ignore these terrorists and hopefully they don't kill us. In reality when you end a blockade on Gaza, they will immediately smuggle in more, bigger and better weapons. And massacre Israelis.
You're willing to bet lot's of OTHER people's lives on your belief that even violent religious fanatics are good people deep down. And being kind to them will change them. Rational people aren't.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs My ideas aren't grounded in reality? Hmm.. I argue based on facts, not big statements like 'Hamas is a good guy'. Instead, u haven't given any facts to support ur arguments. I didn't say Israel shld just ignore Hamas, in fact quite the opposite. I would want Israel to engage Hamas and extend the truce based on halting rocket fire in exchange for lifting the blockade.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Well the truce needs to stop ALL rocket fire. Not one rocket gets fired in to Israel. Israel has no choice but to fight against terrorist attacks on it's civilians. You can't say well Hamas stopped firing rockets so that's a truce, when other groups still are. Bottom line is it's up to the people of Gaza to be civilized. In the long run Israeli actions will turn all of Gaza into a civilized area. Lifting a blockade unconditionally will not.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs Haha. U seem to think that Hamas controls all factions in Gaza, even those al-Qaeda-inspired extremists who opposes Hamas. What a tall order, given that the most powerful military in the region, u-know-who, cant even stop all rocket attacks, much less a ragtag army like Hamas!!! Up to Gazans to be civilized? Israel would make them civilized? What a joke! U kill ppl, u deny them the right to life and self-defence, and that's considered making them 'civilized'? Get real!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast HAHA! You just stated 500 times how effective Hamas is in stopping attacks. Now you contradict your own self. If Hamas has no ability to stop terrorists in it's own borders, why should Israel lift a blockade? You want them to allow free access of weapons to terrorists you yourself agree Hamas can not control. Makes no fucking sense. Internal politics of Gaza is their responsibility. If they can't handle it, it's Israel's responsibility to go in to Gaza and do their job for them
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs If Israel, the greatest power in the region, cant even stop all rocket fire, can a ragtag army like Hamas achieve what Israel has failed to achieve? I was saying that Hamas has,on its part, halted all Hamas rocket fire, and tried to stop other groups. But Hamas doesn't control them, so its unrealistic to expect Hamas to achieve what Israel has failed to achieve. You make no sense at all in suggesting this.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs B4 u 'HAHA!', pls make sure u read my comments carefully. I wouldn't mind u making a fool of urself here, but it doesn't serve the purpose of a honest conversation here, yeah? BTW, I was wondering how u can expect Hamas to achieve what Israel failed to achieve. Pls explain in detail why u think Hamas is so powerful??
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Nice strategy, Ignore every time I shut your arguments down and propose a new question. Very honest conversation there.
You said Hamas is effective, then they are not. You say Israel fighting terrorists in Gaza is an illegal occupation, then you say Israel has failed to stop terrorists. You contradict yourself every step of the way. Do you deny Hamas has the responsibility to stop terrorists withing their borders? Gaza is not in Israel, they have only obligation to Israelis.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs I didn't pose new qns to u but I addressed every qns u posted, except the one abt 'what possible interest Israel would have in Gaza besides stopping terrorism?' bcos u have consistently ignored my qns, qns that u are stuck at and cant seem to answer. Nice strategy from u, and it shows how honest a debate u rly want here. This comment of urs is lame, are u trying to blur what I've said bcos u simply cant answer them head on?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast OK. I will restate it for you then you answer my question. Israel could easily stop all terrorists in Gaza, but if they step foot or fire into Gaza you and the rest of the world call them aggressors. If Israel went into Gaza to stop terrorists, Hamas would fight them and claim they are invaded. Israel would fight Hamas and you would object.
Hamas does not stop other terrorists, and gets angry when Israel does. So essentially they enable and support all terrorists in Gaza.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs I would not reply to any of ur comments and qns unless u learn to be honest and courageous enough to answer my 3 qns. This is my last notice to u, yeah? So show everyone u are courageous enough to answer my three qns, which, apparently, are too difficult for u to handle. Goodbye..
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Well nice talking to you. It's clear you can't answer the most basic question of what interest Israel could possibly have in Gaza, and you tried desperately to ignore it in pitiful fashion. The obvious reason being there is no interest in Gaza, and that realization makes all of your arguments pointless, and we both know that. Hamas is interested in perpetuating a war, Israel in living in peace. Terrorists are fighting solely in the name of Islam as they do in many countries.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs And much like in this video your propaganda has been stopped dead in it's tracks.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs True, in your opinion only, that is...
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs Say whatever u want. But that doesn't change the fact that u have ignored many of my qns ( while I ignored one of ur many qns as a response to u ignoring my qns). Too bad for u, anyone who has read our conversation would find a dishonest and cowardly person in you. Lastly, I have enjoyed answering all ur qns, though I'm disturbed by the fact that u chose to ignore my qns. How's the feeling of getting owned, IBeatUpThugs? Goodbye!!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Well it's clear that you look an idiot from this conversation. And you have been broken down to the infant you really are for all to view. You shot question after question at me to redirect conversation every time I shut down your arguments. I answered them. You ignored my answers and whined that I didn't.
But the most damaging fact is you can't think of a single reason Israel would attack Gaza unprovoked and I stated multiple reasons Gaza does. Which makes you the "owned" one
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs Every honest man would see that u haven't answered my qns, and I did answer every qns of urs ( except one of them which is a natural response on my part to ignore ur qns as a result of u ignoring my many qns). So u can go rant on abt how I 'shot qns after qns' at u and how I 'ignored' ur qns. U dont even have the courage to admit u are the one who ignores my qns. Again..how does it feel to get owned?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs U have also shown urself to be the 'idiot' and the 'infant'. 'you can't think of a single reason Israel would attack Gaza unprovoked '? Looks like u've been sleeping thr' out the entire conversation. I've stated the illegal Israeli occupation and the Palestinians' right to resist an illegal occupation for Hamas' attacks.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs That resistance on the part of the Palestinians invite retaliatory attacks by the occupier Israel. To put it short, the occupier (Israel) attacks the occupied (Gaza) to crush any resistance that the occupied offered. By asking me this qns, u've pretty much shown everyone u're the idiot. Have u answered my 3 qns yet??
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs However ignorant u are, I believe u wouldn't truly believe that an occupied people should not resist his colonial masters? Oh...maybe u would, given that ur ans. to my qns 'If you are Hamas, would u give everything to Israel without getting anything back?' is...'Yes I would.'!!! Given all these, it is hard for u to deny that u've been 'owned'!!!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Colonial masters how? Typical anti-Israel rhetorical nonsense. All you know is repetition of terms and have no thought process behind it. That's called being brainwashed. And that's quite circular reasoning. I ask you why Israel would want to "occupy" Gaza, and you tell me because they are occupying Gaza.
Why is Israel interested in Gaza? Do you think they want to live there? They already left? Do you think they just enjoy war? Do you think they want to annex Gaza? WHY?
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs Haha. The sad reality is that u can play around with words and mislead everyone with ur nonsense, but u cant change the fact that Israel is still, under int' standards, the occupying power in E Jerusalem, WB and Gaza. As for why I think Israel wants to occupy Gaza, well the answer is the same as why Israel continues to occupy the WB.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast And your answer is.....
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs Your qns is based on the false premise that I am an Israeli military strategist or an Israeli govt official. I do not understand why Israel maintains its occupation except for one reason: Israel wants to annex them in the future. That's the only possible reason given the realities Israel created on the ground: settlements. Your view on this?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast I'm not asking you for strategies. Just your belief why Israel would want to militarily occupy Gaza other than self-defense. You level serious charges against Israel, but can't establish basic motive. As you know there are no settlements in Gaza. If they wanted to annex Gaza or build settlements why did they leave? Makes no sense and obviously they were trying to make concessions to have peace. Muslims are interested in perpetuating conflict for politics and obvious reasons.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs The reason why Israel wants to occupy Gaza other than self-defense and its 'basic motive' has already been addressed in my previous comment: eventual annexation. Reason why Israel dismantle all its settlements in Gaza then? Considering the fact that Israel placed 12,000 new settlers to the WB a yr after the Gaza 'pullout',
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast 1. Israel withdrawed from Gaza in goodwill, Hamas continued its acts of terrorism. 2. Jewish settlements in the West Bank existed before 48, some for centuries. But ofcourse Jews are barred from settling Arab spots, while Arabs have the right (so says the world) to settle Israel. There is no excuse for Pale Terrorism which begin in the 1920's before "evictions" or "Occupation". This war is more religious than political.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Israel withdrew from Gaza even though it maintains absolute control of Gaza's airspace, sea border, and all land borders ( except Rafah)? Israeli civilians are barred from settling on occupied land, and that's under int' law ( of course a bigot like u would ignore int' law). Arabs in Israel are citizens of Israel while Israeli settlers in WB are not Palestinian citizens. I'll stop all useless conversation with u abt this video. Bye.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Yes Jews are barred from "Occupied land" nevermind the fact that Jews lived in the West Bank and Gaza for hundreds of years...there was a Jewish presence there before the Arab marauders.....the UN said nothing when these ancient communites were thrown out by the Arabs.....thats UN justice for you....the selfrightoues enforcer of "Int. Law".
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Palestinians civilians (750,000 of them) were evicted by the Zionists even though they have been living there for years. U dispute that. Israel's been settling Israeli citizens on occupied Palestinian land even though it's illegal under int' law. U dispute that. There has always been a Palestinian people ( at least even during the British Mandate) and the Jews never at any time constituted the majority population. U dispute that. Aren't u out of touch with reality?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs one can see that the Gaza 'pullout' was only a tactical step to strengthen Israel's grip on the WB. By 'withdrawing' from Gaza and strengthening its grip on the WB, does that sound like a peace overture to u? I'm not 'levelling serious charges' against Israel. I dont invent laws and Israeli policies.Israel's occupation is illegal under int' law and every nation except Israel understands this.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Israel should remain in those territories. Pre-67 Palestinian/ Egyptian terrorists often infiltrated Israel murdering citizens, while Syria bombarded Israel from the Golan Heights. Jordan expelled those indigenous Jews from Jerusalem in addition to sniping innocent Jews....and the World said nothing. Israel decides to defend itself the world makes an uproar....So be it.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman '..so be it.'? That pretty much sums up ur attitude on this conflict. Might is power! And that's what rly matters. To hell with int' law and human rights! As long as we have the M-16s and the F-16s, we can continue this grabbing of land under the umbrella (pretext, of course) of self-defense and anti-semitism...maybe add in the Holocaust also to remind the world that we can do illegal things bcos we suffered under Hitler. Bye!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast "Might is power" yes it is...and weakness doesnt always have right on it side....no more than an under-armed criminal against the SWAT. Its a good thing the Israelis have the technological edge over the Arabs, their would be exterminators. Judea land of the Jews...a land that had a continous Jewish population since Roman times....and they sold their land to no one...so how did the Arabs get it? By robbery...now the Jews have it back...and thats justice.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Funny u would equate Palestinians as 'under-armed criminal' while Israel is now the 'SWAT' force. That pretty much means I'll stop conversing with u by May 15, or any other earlier date that u would prefer. Cos would I want to talk any much longer with a person living in lalaland?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast As much as you'd like to believe so, Hamas and Israel are not equals in morality and civility at this point, and it's foolish to claim they are. No I don't think all Palestinian people are terrorists. But a violent Hamas did win in a landslide victory, against more peaceful alternatives. And there still exists a violent radical Muslim philosophy there with no parallel in Israel.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs Yes, they are not equal in morality. There is no equality in an occupation. I didn't say they are on par.Yes, not all Palestinians are terrorists just like not all Israelis support the illegal occupation! Hamas won the election. It may be sad for u but learn to accept it, learn to be a little bit more respectful of the Palestinians.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
There is no moral dilemma in violating a law that calls for you to die. There are things above the law, like not letting people kill you. You like to throw around the word occupation because it is a stupid term which implies to uneducated masses something different than what exists in Palestine. Which is a common sense defensive control of all means of attack on innocent Israeli civilians. Against a people who have never stopped demonstrating their intent to target and kill innocent people.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs No, ending the illegal military occupation in the WB, Gaza and E Jerusalem isn't suicide for Israel. Tell me how is it suicide for Israel to stop occupying other people? The problem with u is that u have started on the wrong premise: that obeying int' law is suicide for Israel. If that's rly so, then many of ur PM have been discussing Israeli suicide for years with the PA?!!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast I don't believe in the concept of Israeli suicide. I am talking about international law that requires even one Israeli citizen to die is not acceptable. Law is not divine, often it is not sensible or practical, and very often it is written by criminals themselves to oppress minorities, and enforced by prejudiced individuals. One thing I'm sure you'll agree with is that no Muslim country is concerned with international law. They want to ignore it, then demand it's protection.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs 'And there still exists a violent radical Muslim philosophy there with no parallel in Israel'? You seem to forget the extreme right-wing in Israel that calls for the elimination/ expel of all Arabs. No parallel?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast There is no parallel to radical Islam in Israel or anywhere in the world.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs True, in ur opinion, that is. The fact is that u chose to ignore the extreme right-wing in Israel, the people in Israel who calls for the expulsion of all Arabs. Once u recognised that, talk to me abt radical Islam. I recognised there is a phenomenon called radical Islam. But u wont even have the courage and honesty to recognise ur own extreme right-wing is as cruel and inhumane as radical Islam.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast There is no equivalent. Stop lying. Islam has the most violent lunatics on Earth. Way beyond anything in Judaism, Christianity or any other religion. That is beyond question of any intelligent man. Yes many Israelis want to kick out all Arabs from Israel. Not exterminate them. Not intentionally murder and terrorize their civilians. This is a stupid argument and shows you will go to any depth to deny the obvious to make your case.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs Let me say this: I wouldn't even bother to give u my response to ur latest comments. Cos u didn't bother to answer my qns: 1) If Israel, the greatest power in the region, cant even stop all rocket fire, can a ragtag army like Hamas achieve what Israel has failed to achieve?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast I already answered this. For one thing you've stated numerous times that Hamas can be effective in stopping it.
How could Israel stop it without going into Gaza? Which you would call illegal occupation. You and the UN would call all collateral damage war crimes and label dead terrorists as civilians and cry genocide.
Additionally it is Hamas' job to figure out how to stop it like any other government, not Israels. The obvious issue is Hamas is not interested in stopping it.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs Hamas is not interested in stopping rocket attacks? Check ur own MFA website and the statistics. FYI, I've said the Shin Bet found Hamas to be careful and is impressive with Hamas' efforts to stop rocket attacks. But I didn't say that Hamas is effective in stopping ALL rocket attacks, smth which u demand of them even though Israel itself cant achieve. BTW, u havent answer my 3 qns yet! Haha, u are so desperate.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast That was a response to question 1. I hit reply to that question. I don't know why it is not aligned right, but I didn't design youtube software. It's pretty clear what is a response to your questions. You are ridiculous that I answer your questions and you keep crying "when do you answer my 3 qns". I am answering them 1 by 1. It's pretty obvious you are just stalling to avoid the simple question of why you think Israel would give a shit about Gaza other than defense.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs No, u have not answered any of my three qns. Of course u hit the reply button, but u did not answered my qns. Do it this way: answer me in sequence 1) to 3). BTW, I've told u the answer to ur qns 'why you think Israel would give a shit about Gaza other than defense?' is that the occupier is simply crushing any resistance offered by the occupied.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
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1) For one thing you've stated numerous times that Hamas can be effective in stopping it.
How could Israel stop it without going into Gaza? Which you would call illegal occupation. You and the UN would call all collateral damage war crimes and label dead terrorists as civilians and cry genocide.
Additionally it is Hamas' job to figure out how to stop it like any other government, not Israels. The obvious issue is Hamas is not interested in stopping it.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
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2) No right calls for extermination of Arabs, like Palestinians and the Hamas Charter does to Jews.There's no aspect of Judaism that says kill non-Jews.
Israel recognizes Islamic states and has said you recognize us as a Jewish state and we will recognize you. But palestinians demand the "right of return" to Israel, not a state. Because they'll rapidly outnumber jews, take over politically and no more Jewish state. No Islamic nation would allow that threat from Jews or anyone else.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs To stop this vicious cycle, get out of all of the Palestinian Territories as stipulated under int' law. Haven't u read this in my previous post?? Now..get back to the topic and answer my 3 qns in sequence!! The fact that u didn't answer my qns goes to only suggest that u have no concrete answers to it. Show me otherwise.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs It's so laughable that u chose to put words in my mouth instead of answering my 3 qns head-on. Why not do it this way? According to the sequence of my qns, number ur answers from 1) to 3) so that everyone can see that u've given ur full answers to my 3 qns. Now u dont have any more excuse to ignore my qns, bcos I've done u a favour by answering all ur qns!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs 2) You seem to forget the extreme right-wing in Israel that calls for the elimination/ expel of all Arabs. Have u recognise that? 3) I'm still waiting for u to tell me abt ur response to the Israeli MFA website statement.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast No one calls for extermination of Arabs, like Palestinians and the Hamas Charter does to Jews.There's no aspect of Judaism that says kill non-Jews. Israel recognizes Islamic states and has said you recognize us as a Jewish state and we will recognize you. But palestinians demand the "right of return" to Israel, not a state. Because they'll rapidly outnumber jews, take over politically and no more Jewish state. No Islamic nation would allow that threat from Jews or anyone else.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs blah...blah..maybe we shall proceed with all these points u have made once u've decided to answer my 3 qns head-on?!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast That is your question 2 genius. Right in Israel isn't same as radical Islam.
If you want me to respond to a particular quote on a particular website why haven't you sent a link like I asked. Do you think I memorized the entire internet?
We know that Hamas broke the terms of the truce by firing rockets into Israel. Israel goes to a specific location of a tunnel used to kidnap Israelis. That's not merit for rocket fire at civilians.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs Extreme right in Israel isn't the same as radical Islam? Of course, that is true. Except the fact that both call for the elimination (killing/ expulsion have no moral difference; they are all racist and against int' law) of an entire people. You still did not recognise that?!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast You cannot compare Israel with Gaza. Most Palestinians support terrorism, while most Israelis do not. And I support expulsion. All Palestinain hostiles should be expelled from Israel...let the live in Jordan or Lebanon....wait they were thrown out of those countries because of the terrorism.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs I'm sure u know how to use the Internet, and the MFA website isn't that complicated. Hamas broke the ceasefire first? Just type 'Mark Regev Hamas rockets' to see Mark Regev's interview on who broke the ceasefire.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs By ignoring my qns, and instead trying to change the flow of the conversation by asking new qns, it shows the depth of ur ignorance and expose the utter weakness of ur case. Get real. Don expect any more replies from me from now on...unless u answer the three qns above. Goodbye..till u have the courage to answer my qns.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast I answered all of those questions if you pay attention. Send me a link to what statement you are talking about on the MFA website.
You haven't answered the most important question, what does Israel care about Gaza other than stopping terrorists. If you can't answer that none of your arguments make any sense, since they are based on the idea that Israel is just interested in attacking Gaza for no reason.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
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@IBeatUpThugs Let me say this: I wouldn't even bother to give u my response to ur latest comments. Cos u didn't bother to answer my qns: 1) If Israel, the greatest power in the region, cant even stop all rocket fire, can a ragtag army like Hamas achieve what Israel has failed to achieve?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
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@IBeatUpThugs 2) You seem to forget the extreme right-wing in Israel that calls for the elimination/ expel of all Arabs. Have u recognise that? 3) I'm still waiting for u to tell me abt ur response to the Israeli MFA website statement
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
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@IBeatUpThugs By ignoring my qns, and instead trying to change the flow of the conversation by asking new qns, it shows the depth of ur ignorance and expose the utter weakness of ur case. Get real. Don expect any more replies from me from now on...unless u answer the three qns above. Goodbye..till u have the courage to answer my qns
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast I'm still waiting for your opinion on what possible interest Israel would have in Gaza besides stopping terrorism. We know Hamas still believes that all of Israel belongs to them, and would conquer it and kill every Jew were it in their power. That's why ending a blockade would result in 100 times more attacks on Israeli civilians. Logically the REAL first step to peace is for them to state unequivocally and openly that Israel is a Jewish state they have no interest in.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs I'm still waiting for u to tell me abt ur response to the Israeli MFA website statement. I'm still waiting for u to recognise the right of the Palestinians to resist an illegal occupation and their right to self-defence. I'm still waiting for u to even recognise that there is an illegal occupation going on, smth so basic that u chose to ignore!!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs I'm still waiting for u to tell me abt ur response that the blockade doesn't weaken Hamas but it only serves to hurt Palestinian civilians. I'm still waiting for u to explain the existence of Article 4 of the LON's covenant which states that Palestine is an 'independent state'. I'm waiting. But I know the chances of u answering them is low, cos u have the habit of ignoring others' qns while keep throwing qns at other ppl.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs When u argue abt the blockade, u have simply ignored the fact that the blockade impacts only the Palestinian civilians not Hamas. Are u being rational by not arguing based on facts?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs So, given Hamas' ability and will to carry on a ceasefire, I have no reason to disbelieve it would halt attacks against Israel once the blockade is lifted. Think: if you are Hamas, would u risk another blockade by attacking Israel again. BTW, u seem to be ignorant that the 4 main factions in Gaza, including Hamas, has already cease all rocket fire against Israel, a fact less well-reported.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast And I have no doubt if the terrorists would stop attacking Israel, they would lift the blockade. The difference is you are arguing about the logic and peacefulness of a proven terrorist group, which claims all of Israel is theirs. I'm talking about a defensive civilized democracy which has no interest in Gaza other than stopping terrorist attacks.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs The fact is that u have ignored Hamas' proven ability and means to abide by a ceasefire with Israel! I'm not saying that Hamas is a peaceful, humanity-loving perfect org! You are putting words into my mouth! Why do u keep ignoring ur own MFA website which states that Hamas was careful to maintain the ceasefire and that the Shin Bet was impressed with Hamas' holding on to the ceasefire?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs 'When you make concessions to terrorists, they view at as weakness and become MORE likely to attack you'? By lifting the blockade and relieving the Palestinians' dire humanitarian situation, by allowing food and medicine and water in, by allowing Palestinians to have medical care, by rebuilding schools and food factories, u are making concessions to terrorists?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@IBeatUpThugs Come on, get real. Do u really think the blockade has weaken Hamas? Or has it strengthen Gazans' dependency on Hamas and fuel further hatred towards Israel? Dont talk b4 u think through all those facts.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast
"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it".
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago