It is so sad that a gun that was suppose to take out vehicles amost cant shoot trough a can of soda. Uppgrade the fps to at least 470 fps. That would make this gun a little bit more interesting than a gun that shoots as slow as my crappy chinese m4... I bet it could be opgraded to at least 500 without problems.
@LieutenantScout are you retarded? have you ever used an airsoft gun that shoots 125 fps? they go about 20 feet before they start to arc downward. fps DEFINATELY matters.
No. Are YOU retarded? I've been a gunsmith for years, and custom building rifles for people. I can personally tell you, that a rifle with 300 FPS with a quality barrel and hop up, will go farther than a 500 FPS chinese clone ( meaning shit barrel and hop up )
Hop up, barrel, bucking, bb weight, and quality internals, then you can worry about FPS.
@LieutenantScout I am not retarded seeing as how I have enough sense to realize that FPS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. Don't believe me? We can do an experiment. Why don't you go spend top dollar on the best hop up, barrel, bucking, and quality bb's and internals and install it on a gun that shoots 0 FPS. Get the picture yet? Yeah a 300 fps gun with all the bells and whistles is going to blow a 500 fps piece of shit gun out of the water but it is retarded for you to say fps doesn't matter.
No, it's the last fucking thing you need to worry about. Im sick and tired of fucking kids saying HURR DURR I GOT A CYBR GAWN AK SHOOTIN 600FPS LOL IT PWNS ERRYTHING.
@LieutenantScout did you even read my comment? if you did read it and that is still your response then PLEASE for the sake of peoples safety get out of the gunsmithing business because you're a fucking idiot and you're going to get someone hurt
@VanillaKilla8 if i spend 2000 dollars on a gun, with the best barrell, hop up, gearbox internals, and using an M90 spring, my gun will shoot a million times more accurate and shoot five times as far other than you buying a 150 dollar china clone that shoots over 500 fps.
@AsianAirsofter1 I agree with you on that point, but not if your gun shoots 0 fps (not shooting at all) that's the point I was making before, fps is the most important thing because if your gun isn't shooting about 300 fps or more then having all that good shit is nullified by the fact that your bb's are just arcing into the ground after a few yards, you NEED a high fps if you're going to make proper use of a good hop up, barrel, etc.
I have a 400 FPS GBB UZI that can only shoot accurate for 20-50ft. That's all it's designed for. A lot of factors go in to accuracy. Your barrel, air seal etc. affect accuracy.
@VanillaKilla8 lol fps isnt important i can get good accuracy at about 200+ Ft. using my sniper with heavy enough bbs to where it chrono's at 270-280 fps so no i guess yes if your gun does go 0 fps that just means its not in motion but even then it doesnt matter because something not moving at all cant be considered moving so that statement is null&void
I love the Barrett in real life, but as far as airsoft is concerned it really isn't a necessary weapon, better to just get a lighter gun that will do the same thing.
You just kinda proved yourself wrong in the same sentence. Why doesn't everyone get M4s? Completly upgradeable, with the most accesories on the market. They do the same job as an M60, AK, G36, or Type 56.. It's variety. Milsim, and overall preference. I bought the Socom gear Barrett, because I love the Barrett in real life. But im not paying $10,000 at $6 a cartridge to shoot paper targets for one. Not my idea of fun.
@NoahGoodAtAllSports Oh sorry, I was reading two things as once. But in my comment I was talking about the real life one and saying the price was too high, I'm not saying that everyone should buy the same gun. But the weight, ammo cap, and ect isn't very efficient for airsoft.
I believe the barrel length, diameter, air seals, gearbox, and hopup have to do with the lost FPS. Having a wider diameter of barrel could allow air to pass by the BB and become "wasted" energy. Since these are muzzle velocities, a longer barrel would make sense in lowering FPS, but your KWA and Barrett comparisons seem to not support that.
as someone probably yet mentioned, the size of the bb, innner barrel diameter, and air seal within gearbox, hopup and barrel are different in every gun, therefore there is no constant between bb-weight & FPS, there are way more factors that are coming into play, as i stated above, you could find a constant-value using 2 chrono tests with diff bbweights in the same gun and use math to calculate what the fps would be on a third bb-weight... but that's pretty much it. can't compare 2 guns this way.
the reason the fps's are different is because the compression rates of the guns cylinders are different due to an m82 having a much greater volume of innerbarrel than the kwa. this means that the compression rate of the air in the m82 is greater due to its volume while the kwa's compression rate is smaller.
It's not linear because you have to consider the volume of air and the length of the barrel so with a longer barrel the velocity difference between bb weight shoudl be smaller than with a short barrel
@g4bandit fps dont matter if you have a crap barrel, hopup, and air seal(not saying you do, but you seem to think fps is everything). and besides just upgrade this thing with some torque gears and a motor and a stronger spring. and apparently its hopup is crap so also replace that
barrel length plays another role in the amount of power behind the shot a shorter barrel means the compressed air behind the round escapes faster once it reaches the end of the barrel where it exerts less energy as it disperses in the open air. The longer barrel allows for that air to stay directed behind the BB for a longer period of time accelerating it for a longer period of time. However if the barrel length is too long the barrel will hinder the round. all theory of course
The reason the that the FPS is different for the M4 ris and barrett is because of the barrel length. The longer the barrel the more velocity. Thats also why accuracy is better with longer barrels. longer barrels increase velocity!
@GingerMeProductions exactly. its because the longer the force exerted on the bb is the more "work" is done with respect to kinetic energy. W=FD force may be the same but the distance (length of barrel) is different. (my inner physics nerd screamed when he said weight! its mass!!!!!!!!)
ya i know. my local walmart got some 0.20 gram bb's in so i'm always gonna use those. i need to purchase some 0.36 gram bb's to use a sniping weapon though.
i would also reccomend the real sword svd, a very good hopup system and very good accuracy, the actual stock hopup rubbers not to awesome but its an inexpensive replacement.
I've seen people that have modded the original gas blowback Barretts and they're performing with some of the top stuff...like outshooting some Airsoft Surgeons and Ares Interventions...
ha that funny, sense u seem to know what your talking about, i was wondering if you can help me, i am trying to find a sniper to get, i have looked at many, my price range is under 250, the classic army m24 looks pretty good, i want a gun that i can get upgrades for but htat is also great stock and has good range
Stay away from CA products in general if you care about internals.
The CA M24 was actually my first airsoft rifle.
It was a colossal piece of crap.
For under $250, I'd normally say a JG Bar10 (the most popular and IMO most practical sniper rifle here in HK). But there's been a severe shortage of Chinese guns lately. So you might need to buy a Marui VSR 10, in which case you would need to upgrade the entire piston assembly including the spring. DONT touch the hopup or barrel, no need.
looks sick if i had it i think i would use a shorter barrel and replace some metal part with plastic parts because this is just as heavy as the echo1 minigun and i wouldnt wana be walking anymore than 20 feet at atime with this, anyone know what the rof is on it?
Hey! I am doing my science project on this exact same thing :o only a bit more simple :o have you taken into account that when you use a higher weight bb it will allow the piston to fully strike before the bb is projected out of the barrel? (in other words a .2g bb will be out of the barrel before you have full compression due to the lack of energy needed to get it moving, while a .43g bb will alow the piston to go all the way, meaning more air is pushed into the barrel) just an idea <3
Somone might have already said this, but my best guess as to the FPS difference between the KWA M4 and the SOCOM Gear M82 is the difference in barrel length. The M82, with a longer barrel has more time to accelerate the BB out the end of the barrel, providing higher muzzle velocity than something with a shorter barrel, like a KWA M4, which only has a 363mm barrel. Also, maybe the TBB in the M82 as opposed to the "non" TBB in the KWA M4 has something to do with the difference in muzzle velocity.
when u do investigate the fps relationships, make sure that where the bb's get hit by the bolt is the same distance to the crono, if u just do it off of the end of the barrel u wont get the right results, since every barrel length is differnt
Alright, I did some math. (And I thought I didn't need Physics...)
400 fps w/ a .2 is 121.92 m/s
I put that into a KE equation, and come out with the KE being 1486.449.
Theoretically, that should be the the KE for EVERY shot put out by this gun, regardless of BB weight.
So, putting this back into the equation, I came out with a theoretical velocity of 83 m/s or 272 fps, which is lower than the velocity he chrono'd yesterday.
The only variable here is the weight of the BB, so here's what I think:
Because both the .43g and .20g have, theoretically, the same KE and different velocities (272fps and 400fps respectively), the only think I can think of is that the .2 is losing it's velocity IN the barrel because of its low weight, so it is coming out of the barrel slower than it started off. However, because the .43g BB is so heavy, it doesn't loose as much velocity from the start as the .20g bb.
the barrel length accounts for fps as well when it reaches lengths such as that of the Barrett's. and your theory is good but it doesn't factor in all other variables, which may result in your 272 fps deviation. but nice work.
I believe the difference in velocity with .43 gram bb's has to do with barrel length and cylinder volume. the barrel's air volume and cylinder volume are probably better matched than those of the kwa. therefore making it much more efficient. my guess is that the kwa has an approx. 400mm barrel with a cylinder that is non ported, so not all of the air is being put to its full use, a lot is just wasted. with a ported cyinder where the extra volume isn't needed, the piston has more room to acelerat
I'm no expert but I can safely say the smoothbore and hopup can affect fps but only minimally. But some other guy said that as the piston resets, the bb is still in the barrel so gas actually pulls the bbs back a little (for the Barrett.)
That is a great outlook on this tim great work on finding that there is a slight difference between certain guns, maybe it might be the gearboxes or how hard the bb is propelled out of the barrel, im not sure though
Also did they fix the barrel suck problem? because i was under the impression that the longer the barrel the longer it takes to exit, and before the bb exits the piston recycles itself and pulls back the air that was accelerating the bb which decelerates it. Being that this is a psg-1 barrel this would probably be an issue.
You mean you /want/ .43g bb's flying at your head at 500fps? 400 is pretty good, and a tight bore and good parts will have it hitting it's mark well beyond an average AEG. It's also a huge F*off gun, so a lot of that price is simple style, taste, and the fact it's not produced in as high of numbers.
its a kuel gun and all but if anyone buys it i think they need a new gear box bc the gear box in it right now is a jg witch sucks! and it needs a longer inside barrel. i have worked on one of these barrett's before they are auto and awsome. im just throwing some stuff out there for you guys just in case you buy this gun
That gun looks sick, but I would be ashamed to bring that out onto the field. I would think someone was a fool if they bought an $850 AEG shaped like a .50 cal, seeing as for a little bit more you can get a disassembled Systema.
30 Pounds, the prices your pay to be a sniper =P I dont think thats a problem rly just would carry a big back up like a smaller m4 or mp5, probably just a pistol since it does shoot fully auto....
Who would want to carry this 30 pound thing around anyway? You would have to bunker down in a spot and simply not move. Which is OK for snipers, but still, its going to be hard to get away if your spotted. Also, snipers should try and move after 2-3 shots. That would be hard for who ever has this gun. I say, get a TM G spec, a 6.01 TBB. And then an M140 spring. you could replace more internals but thats all you really need. Those $150 Zero Triggers are a little overkill.
To show that the paintball marker is shooting too hot. They can only shoot 300fps (I think, not sure) but seeing as most airsoft guns shoot faster, it's most common to hear that sound.
yeah i never thought about that before, but i guess it would make sense that the relation between bb weight and velocity could be nonlinear when you factor in the forces applied on the internals and possibly even distance and air resistance (which actually doesn't vary much).
someone should post a video demonstrating the rate at which different weight bbs bleed energy as they travel (mainly for airsoft snipers)
FPS =/= Range. TK Twist Barrel
nuff said
Nitoryuu 4 days ago
dear santa....
EWPBPSstealth 1 month ago
Shitty gin for that price, lower the price alot and maybe ill consider paying that much for a 390 fps gun
rappinzack1 1 month ago
so if you shot yourself in the foot....you wouldnt have a foot anymore
mouseproductions 1 month ago
390, pfft.
0611930024838 2 months ago
This is kinda why the fps is weird with different bbs. Watch this video.
youtube.com/watch?v=AvcAxk1TW2M
chairsofter1911 2 months ago
He flat-lined. XD
nerfreak01 3 months ago
It is so sad that a gun that was suppose to take out vehicles amost cant shoot trough a can of soda. Uppgrade the fps to at least 470 fps. That would make this gun a little bit more interesting than a gun that shoots as slow as my crappy chinese m4... I bet it could be opgraded to at least 500 without problems.
Cod4soilder2 3 months ago
Good snipers aren't electric...
IairsoftZz 5 months ago
@IairsoftZz Agreed.
Anarchyffan 4 months ago
my utg L96 has more fps (476) than this barrett =O
junoboguy42 7 months ago
@junoboguy42 So, that does not mean it better..
MRhacki101 5 months ago
Thanks for editting out that ear piercing sound at 1:01-1:18 out of the video for viewer comfort Asshat
rookiemcm77 7 months ago
it might be the inner barrel
bigdy518 7 months ago
Press 6. Juiceeee
MyNameIsFrickinRiver 7 months ago
what means fps? frame per second <-- no sense
MrFreestyla 8 months ago
@MrFreestyla fuckin retard, Feet per second...
BIGgamer117 8 months ago
@BIGgamer117 hahaha that made me laugh!:D
chreisyAFNF5 8 months ago
@MrFreestyla feet per seconds
intervention87 7 months ago
that would hurt
AakwardAardvark 9 months ago
Tim, what is your favorite style of gun to use?
theairsoftmask 10 months ago
I have a full metal ak 495 fps CyberGun
zac24f 10 months ago
@zac24f
No one gives a fuck, and FPS doesn't fucking matter.
LieutenantScout 10 months ago
@LieutenantScout yes it does.
souralex118 7 months ago
@LieutenantScout are you retarded? have you ever used an airsoft gun that shoots 125 fps? they go about 20 feet before they start to arc downward. fps DEFINATELY matters.
VanillaKilla8 7 months ago
@VanillaKilla8
No. Are YOU retarded? I've been a gunsmith for years, and custom building rifles for people. I can personally tell you, that a rifle with 300 FPS with a quality barrel and hop up, will go farther than a 500 FPS chinese clone ( meaning shit barrel and hop up )
Hop up, barrel, bucking, bb weight, and quality internals, then you can worry about FPS.
LieutenantScout 7 months ago
@LieutenantScout thank god...a smart airsofter!
IINCR3DASWAGG 6 months ago
@LieutenantScout I am not retarded seeing as how I have enough sense to realize that FPS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. Don't believe me? We can do an experiment. Why don't you go spend top dollar on the best hop up, barrel, bucking, and quality bb's and internals and install it on a gun that shoots 0 FPS. Get the picture yet? Yeah a 300 fps gun with all the bells and whistles is going to blow a 500 fps piece of shit gun out of the water but it is retarded for you to say fps doesn't matter.
VanillaKilla8 6 months ago
@VanillaKilla8
No, it's the last fucking thing you need to worry about. Im sick and tired of fucking kids saying HURR DURR I GOT A CYBR GAWN AK SHOOTIN 600FPS LOL IT PWNS ERRYTHING.
LieutenantScout 6 months ago
@LieutenantScout did you even read my comment? if you did read it and that is still your response then PLEASE for the sake of peoples safety get out of the gunsmithing business because you're a fucking idiot and you're going to get someone hurt
VanillaKilla8 4 months ago
@VanillaKilla8 if i spend 2000 dollars on a gun, with the best barrell, hop up, gearbox internals, and using an M90 spring, my gun will shoot a million times more accurate and shoot five times as far other than you buying a 150 dollar china clone that shoots over 500 fps.
AsianAirsofter1 4 months ago
@AsianAirsofter1 I agree with you on that point, but not if your gun shoots 0 fps (not shooting at all) that's the point I was making before, fps is the most important thing because if your gun isn't shooting about 300 fps or more then having all that good shit is nullified by the fact that your bb's are just arcing into the ground after a few yards, you NEED a high fps if you're going to make proper use of a good hop up, barrel, etc.
VanillaKilla8 4 months ago
@VanillaKilla8 again, not true. TMs shoot only 280 fps and reach out to ranges much farther than most guns that shoot 350+
AsianAirsofter1 4 months ago
@AsianAirsofter1
Yes, people always think FPS=Accuracy.
I have a 400 FPS GBB UZI that can only shoot accurate for 20-50ft. That's all it's designed for. A lot of factors go in to accuracy. Your barrel, air seal etc. affect accuracy.
thehalokiller6676 3 weeks ago
@VanillaKilla8 lol fps isnt important i can get good accuracy at about 200+ Ft. using my sniper with heavy enough bbs to where it chrono's at 270-280 fps so no i guess yes if your gun does go 0 fps that just means its not in motion but even then it doesnt matter because something not moving at all cant be considered moving so that statement is null&void
AirSoftking773 3 months ago
u guys are epic
ryguy601 10 months ago
R.I.P. Headset!!
seepel 10 months ago
My ear just got ass fucked by that noise ass krono
dodle62 11 months ago
I love the Barrett in real life, but as far as airsoft is concerned it really isn't a necessary weapon, better to just get a lighter gun that will do the same thing.
Skribduex 1 year ago
@Skribduex
You just kinda proved yourself wrong in the same sentence. Why doesn't everyone get M4s? Completly upgradeable, with the most accesories on the market. They do the same job as an M60, AK, G36, or Type 56.. It's variety. Milsim, and overall preference. I bought the Socom gear Barrett, because I love the Barrett in real life. But im not paying $10,000 at $6 a cartridge to shoot paper targets for one. Not my idea of fun.
NoahGoodAtAllSports 11 months ago
@NoahGoodAtAllSports I'm saying the actual gun that fires bullets is great but the airsoft version is too expensive when cheaper things do the same.
Skribduex 11 months ago
@Skribduex
Did you NOT just read my comment? You know i was talking about airsoft guns, right? Let me put it like thisL
Why doesn't everyone just buy AIRSOFT M4s? It does the same job as any AIRSOFT M60, AK, Type 56, or G36.
Airsoft is about MILSIM, variety and preference.
NoahGoodAtAllSports 11 months ago
@NoahGoodAtAllSports Oh sorry, I was reading two things as once. But in my comment I was talking about the real life one and saying the price was too high, I'm not saying that everyone should buy the same gun. But the weight, ammo cap, and ect isn't very efficient for airsoft.
Skribduex 11 months ago
I believe the barrel length, diameter, air seals, gearbox, and hopup have to do with the lost FPS. Having a wider diameter of barrel could allow air to pass by the BB and become "wasted" energy. Since these are muzzle velocities, a longer barrel would make sense in lowering FPS, but your KWA and Barrett comparisons seem to not support that.
xXBangomangoXx 1 year ago
this gun is just a decoration not good for a sniper
HGClark 1 year ago
as someone probably yet mentioned, the size of the bb, innner barrel diameter, and air seal within gearbox, hopup and barrel are different in every gun, therefore there is no constant between bb-weight & FPS, there are way more factors that are coming into play, as i stated above, you could find a constant-value using 2 chrono tests with diff bbweights in the same gun and use math to calculate what the fps would be on a third bb-weight... but that's pretty much it. can't compare 2 guns this way.
svendewulf 1 year ago
the reason the fps's are different is because the compression rates of the guns cylinders are different due to an m82 having a much greater volume of innerbarrel than the kwa. this means that the compression rate of the air in the m82 is greater due to its volume while the kwa's compression rate is smaller.
sk8alot82 1 year ago
dire santa....
doctoresdemontessori 1 year ago
is it me or is this guy looked just like the guy from redwolf airsoft
hotrodmcspoonjr 1 year ago
is it me r is this guy looked just like the guy from redwolf airsoft
hotrodmcspoonjr 1 year ago
rip off
milltiaSD 1 year ago
gizz in my pants
xoleafs89 1 year ago
Just out of curiosity can this gun take an upgraded aeg spring?
DaJesusFreak808970 1 year ago
@DaJesusFreak808970 its a version two so there are plenty of upgrades available.
nav2491i 1 year ago
that physics
Shazee083 1 year ago
It's not linear because you have to consider the volume of air and the length of the barrel so with a longer barrel the velocity difference between bb weight shoudl be smaller than with a short barrel
nickgymnast 1 year ago
Thumbs up if you think that Tim had no idea what was written on the whiteboard ment and just pulled it out to look smart, haha
Jurneyz 1 year ago
Lmfao, my gun shoots 50 fps higher with half the length, way to fail
g4bandit 1 year ago
@g4bandit fps dont matter if you have a crap barrel, hopup, and air seal(not saying you do, but you seem to think fps is everything). and besides just upgrade this thing with some torque gears and a motor and a stronger spring. and apparently its hopup is crap so also replace that
Apoctank 1 year ago
@g4bandit FPS is the least important thing out of the entire gun.
LieutenantScout 1 year ago
wtf?! the equations at 1:43 how do you expect people to understand that.
b3123456789 1 year ago
LOL turn on captions
claridude 1 year ago
Also, a tighter barrel affects velocity.
cubsfreak13 1 year ago
Thanks for the science lesson.
Schutte2717 1 year ago
ive got a modded SVD Sniper with 415 fps its got a battery and a C02 :D
rockofella55 1 year ago
your interlaced video fails
SMGleader 1 year ago
where are your eyes
loverboyjkr69 1 year ago
My aeg has more fps than that gun
ACrazySnipa8 1 year ago
@ACrazySnipa8 congrats...... heres your sign
Lucero0709 1 year ago
omg the beeping sound is ear destruction
MrDJ217 1 year ago 71
thats low
reallink2000 1 year ago
barrel length plays another role in the amount of power behind the shot a shorter barrel means the compressed air behind the round escapes faster once it reaches the end of the barrel where it exerts less energy as it disperses in the open air. The longer barrel allows for that air to stay directed behind the BB for a longer period of time accelerating it for a longer period of time. However if the barrel length is too long the barrel will hinder the round. all theory of course
:P
s3kShUn08 1 year ago
love that gun its awesome!!
TYRANIS101 1 year ago
joules=power exerted to do work on an object
saldman67 2 years ago
the other gun most likely has a better motor, but not as tight a barrel
that must be it
fafa1248 2 years ago
hahahaha here is where Tim get's his opportunity to show off his math skillz
Killery96 2 years ago
@ColonelFalcon, thanks for clearing that up,
MRHOORAHUSMC 2 years ago
why does it sound like an aeg, or is that just the rifle in general that it sounds that way
MRHOORAHUSMC 2 years ago
it is an AEG
ColonelFalcon 2 years ago
what scope do u have on this gun
monsterarmy10 2 years ago
The reason the that the FPS is different for the M4 ris and barrett is because of the barrel length. The longer the barrel the more velocity. Thats also why accuracy is better with longer barrels. longer barrels increase velocity!
GingerMeProductions 2 years ago
@GingerMeProductions exactly. its because the longer the force exerted on the bb is the more "work" is done with respect to kinetic energy. W=FD force may be the same but the distance (length of barrel) is different. (my inner physics nerd screamed when he said weight! its mass!!!!!!!!)
ultimatesakicfan 2 years ago
so if a bb ways anywhere from 12g - 43g, does that change the size or is it always
6mm??
ChithonianEmperor7 2 years ago
it is always 6mm unless you purchase special 8mm bbs that are rarely ever used except in marushin airsoft guns.
mrquackbunny 2 years ago
@ChithonianEmperor7 it is 6mm, just lighter or heavier in weight. never use .12 grams, always use .20s and higher
xx117711xx 2 years ago
@xx117711xx
ya i know. my local walmart got some 0.20 gram bb's in so i'm always gonna use those. i need to purchase some 0.36 gram bb's to use a sniping weapon though.
ChithonianEmperor7 2 years ago
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airsoftmaster22 2 years ago
It really doesn't matter what the FPS is. The setup of the hopup and the tolerances involved are what really matter.
The Barret is a POS since it just used the same old Armalite hopup setup with very loose tolerances.
It's accuracy is pretty crap.
If you want to get a real usable sniper rifle and not this penis compensator, get a VSR 10
Ecthelion008 2 years ago 43
i would also reccomend the real sword svd, a very good hopup system and very good accuracy, the actual stock hopup rubbers not to awesome but its an inexpensive replacement.
Schultz98 2 years ago
dude its just fucking bad ass
racehonda9 2 years ago
Mine shoots pretty accurate. Wherever the crosshairs are placed that's where it will go. (Unless their is wind)
codzilla12 2 years ago
I've seen people that have modded the original gas blowback Barretts and they're performing with some of the top stuff...like outshooting some Airsoft Surgeons and Ares Interventions...
PaganWarDrummer 2 years ago
ha that funny, sense u seem to know what your talking about, i was wondering if you can help me, i am trying to find a sniper to get, i have looked at many, my price range is under 250, the classic army m24 looks pretty good, i want a gun that i can get upgrades for but htat is also great stock and has good range
limeheadrickey 2 years ago
Stay away from CA products in general if you care about internals.
The CA M24 was actually my first airsoft rifle.
It was a colossal piece of crap.
For under $250, I'd normally say a JG Bar10 (the most popular and IMO most practical sniper rifle here in HK). But there's been a severe shortage of Chinese guns lately. So you might need to buy a Marui VSR 10, in which case you would need to upgrade the entire piston assembly including the spring. DONT touch the hopup or barrel, no need.
Ecthelion008 2 years ago
so what did you buy after all? pls tell. im getting my first rifle and dnt know anything about rifles...
AdamValenzuela1 2 years ago
@Ecthelion008 Well FPS does matter because if the FPS is too high the gun may not be alllowed into some fields.
xR10TxStoicGerm 7 months ago
why the hell does your chrono make that horrible screech?
42ndAirsoftLegion 2 years ago
It does that on anything that's over 350 fps. watch some of asgi's other chrono vids.
wyankeif1337 2 years ago
Why? Can't you just look at it and SEE that it's over 350 fps? Is that screech necessary?
42ndAirsoftLegion 2 years ago
Hmmm.
Are a lot of things necessary?
wyankeif1337 2 years ago
No, they are not, and therefore they should not be in existance.
42ndAirsoftLegion 2 years ago
They probably have it do that so the workers know someone is shooting. (since it's inside the warehouse)
Stealthmaster15 2 years ago
FPS barely has anything to do with range.
Wrong on that.
As for accuracy,depends on the bb weight you use.
If you use a .2 with 400+ FPS, your accuracy will be piss poor.
If you use something heavier,accuracy could be better.
Please research before you post retarded comments.
Thank you.
LieutenantScout 2 years ago
Hop-up is the main variable in both range and accuracy.
42ndAirsoftLegion 2 years ago
looks sick if i had it i think i would use a shorter barrel and replace some metal part with plastic parts because this is just as heavy as the echo1 minigun and i wouldnt wana be walking anymore than 20 feet at atime with this, anyone know what the rof is on it?
martinairsoft123 2 years ago
The bb weight is working WITH the Hop-up to get range AND accuracy mainly the hopup does the trick on the range.
As for FPS it doesnt do much except causing more damage and the accuracy comes from a good inner barrel.
skarpskyttar 2 years ago
maybe it is the size of the barrel that makes the difference in FPS gain and lose. You should test it with three guns.
M-4 with ~400 FPS with .2
Some sort of Sniper that shoots ~400 FPS with .2
and the M-82
If the lose is greater with the shorter barrel then that could the the reason
darkoneoffear 2 years ago
Yup. It's a great gun for display.
LieutenantScout 2 years ago
FPS is not important what so ever.
I'd rather have range ,accuracy and reliability,than FPS.
LieutenantScout 2 years ago 2
Yeah, in case you have to engage over great distances.
In an airsoft match.
Churchx77 2 years ago
FPS doesn't have much to do with range.
LieutenantScout 2 years ago
.........
CujoTheMadDawg310 2 years ago
m82 barrel the length of the barrel just used the maximum air of the cylinder compared to the m4 which has a shorter barrel.
i hope this only has a 650mm barrel so that it could possibly compensate for the vacuum effect in full auto mode.
jazdx01 2 years ago
even with a bore-up kit it can´t handle the length of the barrel :( Socom Gear should have used a v4 GB
Helghastdude 2 years ago
Hey! I am doing my science project on this exact same thing :o only a bit more simple :o have you taken into account that when you use a higher weight bb it will allow the piston to fully strike before the bb is projected out of the barrel? (in other words a .2g bb will be out of the barrel before you have full compression due to the lack of energy needed to get it moving, while a .43g bb will alow the piston to go all the way, meaning more air is pushed into the barrel) just an idea <3
crazayism 2 years ago
Somone might have already said this, but my best guess as to the FPS difference between the KWA M4 and the SOCOM Gear M82 is the difference in barrel length. The M82, with a longer barrel has more time to accelerate the BB out the end of the barrel, providing higher muzzle velocity than something with a shorter barrel, like a KWA M4, which only has a 363mm barrel. Also, maybe the TBB in the M82 as opposed to the "non" TBB in the KWA M4 has something to do with the difference in muzzle velocity.
sockdrama 2 years ago
i have my socom barret U NEED TO TELL ME HOW TO GET A BLACK TIP PLEASE
Tangodown587 2 years ago
spraypaint you idiot
Epson5000 2 years ago
when u do investigate the fps relationships, make sure that where the bb's get hit by the bolt is the same distance to the crono, if u just do it off of the end of the barrel u wont get the right results, since every barrel length is differnt
USAFA21 2 years ago
what scope is that??
jorgethe82nd 2 years ago
i love how we cant see the fps
cccplt 2 years ago
is the reason for the barret not losing so much fps is as the M4 R I S not just because of the length of the barrel in the M82??
Pr1tch4rd 2 years ago
the barrett has a wayyy longer barrel which gives the air more time to expand behind the BB (like a real gun, but not as significantly)
Cosmo1093 2 years ago
the air expanding only refears to a gass gun....
MP5rules 2 years ago
thats not true the barrel length doesnt affect the bb at all after 400mm of barrel length
rmkeurekarider6969 2 years ago
there is still some pressure behind the BB with AEGs too, and the KWA m4 has a barrel length just short of 400, and all others are about 363mm
Cosmo1093 2 years ago
with some skill you could make a Halo Sniper out of that badass
Treembea 2 years ago
Alright, I did some math. (And I thought I didn't need Physics...)
400 fps w/ a .2 is 121.92 m/s
I put that into a KE equation, and come out with the KE being 1486.449.
Theoretically, that should be the the KE for EVERY shot put out by this gun, regardless of BB weight.
So, putting this back into the equation, I came out with a theoretical velocity of 83 m/s or 272 fps, which is lower than the velocity he chrono'd yesterday.
JTK21351 2 years ago
Ran outta room, sorry.
The only variable here is the weight of the BB, so here's what I think:
Because both the .43g and .20g have, theoretically, the same KE and different velocities (272fps and 400fps respectively), the only think I can think of is that the .2 is losing it's velocity IN the barrel because of its low weight, so it is coming out of the barrel slower than it started off. However, because the .43g BB is so heavy, it doesn't loose as much velocity from the start as the .20g bb.
JTK21351 2 years ago
the barrel length accounts for fps as well when it reaches lengths such as that of the Barrett's. and your theory is good but it doesn't factor in all other variables, which may result in your 272 fps deviation. but nice work.
TwiceVicodin 2 years ago
I am aware of this, I'll be using one of my guns as a control when testing others....this is going to be a long project
AIRSOFTGIdotcom 2 years ago
I believe the difference in velocity with .43 gram bb's has to do with barrel length and cylinder volume. the barrel's air volume and cylinder volume are probably better matched than those of the kwa. therefore making it much more efficient. my guess is that the kwa has an approx. 400mm barrel with a cylinder that is non ported, so not all of the air is being put to its full use, a lot is just wasted. with a ported cyinder where the extra volume isn't needed, the piston has more room to acelerat
ctres94 2 years ago
Thanks. Any other variable you can think of?
JTK21351 2 years ago
I'm no expert but I can safely say the smoothbore and hopup can affect fps but only minimally. But some other guy said that as the piston resets, the bb is still in the barrel so gas actually pulls the bbs back a little (for the Barrett.)
TwiceVicodin 2 years ago
Good point(s). I didn't think that the hop up would play a large roll (they both have them) but the piston behavior could definitely effect the BB.
JTK21351 2 years ago
tim you might want to re-chrono the systema PTW because you chronoed that gun with .43 as well.
triynizzles 2 years ago
that reminds me, stats on the ca sla8 are also out of date
skooter21108 2 years ago
Tim, take in barrel length. That's why the kwa shoots slower with same .2s but not with .43s.
DeadlyPinguin 2 years ago
exactly what i was about to right before i saw this.
Milton454545 2 years ago
Dude, the KWA shoots faster then the Barrett with .20's. That's why this is confusing.
JTK21351 2 years ago
No they shoot the same with .20s (390-400)
DeadlyPinguin 2 years ago
this gun is so not worth that much money
XxMLBPROxX 2 years ago
agreed; it's an m4 with fancy externals
Duy556 2 years ago
an m4's inner barrel is not 5 feet long lol if you are sniping the longer the barrel the better but other wise you are correct
skooter21108 2 years ago
yeah forgot about that
Duy556 2 years ago
exactly
XxMLBPROxX 2 years ago
wow 400fps is not good for a 800$ gun
ty2160 2 years ago
please, for the love of god cut that damn speaker of you your chrono, it ruins every video you use it in!
cyphertheory 2 years ago
Yeah seriously. that thing is so annoying.
Marine54x 2 years ago
omg i so fucking agree its so fucking anoying
ScaleyGuns 2 years ago
That is a great outlook on this tim great work on finding that there is a slight difference between certain guns, maybe it might be the gearboxes or how hard the bb is propelled out of the barrel, im not sure though
AirsoftShadowShooter 2 years ago
Also did they fix the barrel suck problem? because i was under the impression that the longer the barrel the longer it takes to exit, and before the bb exits the piston recycles itself and pulls back the air that was accelerating the bb which decelerates it. Being that this is a psg-1 barrel this would probably be an issue.
bookmanCS 2 years ago
wow that FPS should be way higher for this price and this typ eof gun
TravisSimpson 2 years ago
I agree, but FPS isn't everything :P.
Christianmarquez 2 years ago
You mean you /want/ .43g bb's flying at your head at 500fps? 400 is pretty good, and a tight bore and good parts will have it hitting it's mark well beyond an average AEG. It's also a huge F*off gun, so a lot of that price is simple style, taste, and the fact it's not produced in as high of numbers.
kittenclaws 2 years ago
man 500 fps with .43s would be unimaginable pain; what would it be with .20s??!!
Duy556 2 years ago
dude its 290 with .43s.... its 500 with .20s....
scorpio444444 2 years ago
I know I was just replying to kittenclaws
Duy556 2 years ago
o... oops my bad haha
scorpio444444 2 years ago
mhmm, i shoot 470 with .43 with my sniper rifle, it shoots close to 740ish with 0.2s.
DayOfShadows 2 years ago
its a kuel gun and all but if anyone buys it i think they need a new gear box bc the gear box in it right now is a jg witch sucks! and it needs a longer inside barrel. i have worked on one of these barrett's before they are auto and awsome. im just throwing some stuff out there for you guys just in case you buy this gun
mann345 2 years ago
That gun looks sick, but I would be ashamed to bring that out onto the field. I would think someone was a fool if they bought an $850 AEG shaped like a .50 cal, seeing as for a little bit more you can get a disassembled Systema.
soxfan500 2 years ago
For such a huge weapon, it shoots like a pussy.
TheEpicThree 2 years ago
dont u think that the size of the barrel has something to do with it? the m4s is obviously shorter....
blumonky1357 2 years ago
30 Pounds, the prices your pay to be a sniper =P I dont think thats a problem rly just would carry a big back up like a smaller m4 or mp5, probably just a pistol since it does shoot fully auto....
ILOVCOFFEANDMACBOOKS 2 years ago
great idea.. I had always used your rule of thumb, .05g = 40FPS drop
but this will be cool to know
ChainSniper 2 years ago
It definitely has something to do with barrel length, obviously.
hightower2011 2 years ago
Mine was a joke to see how mad people would get.... Sorry if that took up your time tim
ExistBMX 2 years ago
i dont give a damn its a great gun
D52DELTA 2 years ago
what scope is on that?does airsoftgi sell it?
Mcnasty3252 2 years ago
Who would want to carry this 30 pound thing around anyway? You would have to bunker down in a spot and simply not move. Which is OK for snipers, but still, its going to be hard to get away if your spotted. Also, snipers should try and move after 2-3 shots. That would be hard for who ever has this gun. I say, get a TM G spec, a 6.01 TBB. And then an M140 spring. you could replace more internals but thats all you really need. Those $150 Zero Triggers are a little overkill.
TheNorthwestWonder 2 years ago
yeah but sometimes its not about any of that. It's about having a F*CKING Barret 50 caliber rifle!!! which i think would be badass.
bookmanCS 2 years ago
BIG WORDS haha
SpecialOpsM4 2 years ago
why do paintball chronos make that loud beeping noise wen people use em?
iTzKACE 2 years ago
To show that the paintball marker is shooting too hot. They can only shoot 300fps (I think, not sure) but seeing as most airsoft guns shoot faster, it's most common to hear that sound.
OWSNubbles 2 years ago
I think anything +350FPS triggers it.
jGakusan 2 years ago
yeah i never thought about that before, but i guess it would make sense that the relation between bb weight and velocity could be nonlinear when you factor in the forces applied on the internals and possibly even distance and air resistance (which actually doesn't vary much).
someone should post a video demonstrating the rate at which different weight bbs bleed energy as they travel (mainly for airsoft snipers)
shadow13598 2 years ago
wow seriously ............fps is not an exact measure of power so it will vary slightly with different guns
peterjmace 2 years ago
that gearbox sounds flawless...
TheRockDude35 2 years ago
aghh too much math nd physics lol. tat gun is cool btw.
MoowenMangoLo 2 years ago
ACTUALLY NOT ALLOT IT IS VERY EASY:)
JGTRA 2 years ago