RHuutton2710="another legitimate conflict is the one between cats and dogs. I'm not sure who started it; but personally I think they need to put their differences aside. " = Ireland then surrendered.....
I'm a little confused 16dan90, you don't want to be affiliated with terrorism? but you flaunt the date which celebrates the battle of the boyne, Doesn't make sense to me and infact I don't know what you get from this song if that is the case, my hearing isnt the best but its a song about overthrowing the British tyranny, Right?
the scots are isish people learn ur histery they were an irish clan called the scots the moved up to the tip of that god forsaken place and made it there owne and with grate pride the freed ther slef from the king i am irish and i welcome all my celt brothers and sisters "SUAS AN RA" Tiocfaidh Ar La. Oglaigh na hErinn Agus Erin Go Bragh. Seol an ais go Béarla go hIfreann bhí an bastards féidir dhó a thaitníonn leo tuillte
@SuperDerekt Don't you dare try associate the Scots with your terrorist beliefs. Scotland is a Protestant country, and has no wish to be affliated with the terrorists in Ireland. They would however stand by their protestant children settled in Ulster.
It's a bit hard to describe Caledonia, as it then was, as "that god forsaken place"! It was Pagan yes, because the native Picts had refused to accept Roman dominion, and so Roman Christianity never took hold. They were only a bit behind us, and they did provide St. Colm Cille/ Columba with people to convert.
The Romans didn't conquer them and the English couldn't, despite many efforts. A lot to be proud of really.
I would also mention that the Mauser and its clones (Nagant, Springfield, etc) were all legal and readily available in most of the Western world. Even now, American and British soldiers capture one in Afghanistan or Iraq or Bosnia....
Yes and no. The IRA of that period used primarily captured or purchased British weaponry (mainly Enfields, but some other stuff, in addition to a large amount of American weapons (notably the Thompson)... but the 98K figured greatly in the Rising, since Germany attempted to supply the Irish rebels with thousands of Mausers
in actual fact the bulk of the equipment the Germans attempted to supply for the uprising were captured french rifles . Although your correct that the mauser featured heavily in 1916 due to its importation at howth by erskine childers as well as much smaller purchases over the previous few years . The mauser was also imported in large numbers by the IRA in the 1919-21 period believe it or not . In fact post truce they fairly flooded into the country .
virtually all the rifles used in the 1916 uprising would have been of the mauser variety . It wasnt until a few years later that the lee enfield would have started finding its way into irish hands due to guerilla raids on arms stores and ambushes of british patrols .
The main rifle used by the Republican forces on 'Easter Week 1916' was the 'Mauser m1871 / Gerwehr 71'... these were smuggled into Howth Harbour on the 'Asgard' in 26 July 1914... 900 rifles were brought in on that day plus 30,000 rounds for same...
Always liked this song - known in Dublin as 'The Row in the Town' which typifies the native sarcasm of the Dubliner. The author was Peadar Kearney, Brendan Behan's uncle. Just have to wonder how the same man managed to write that pile of bombastic shite 'Amhrain na bhFiann'.... Then again, does anyone know somewhere with a dacent national anthem ?
"La Marseillaise" and the Russian one, formerly the USSR national anthem are both amazing. I'm no Russian, but when I hear it, it makes my chest swell with pride!
Oh, and the Welsh. "Land of my Fathers". Don't know if it's the song or the way they sing it, but the Welsh rugby fans can make me tingle at Murrayfield, or Landsdowne Road! I hope to hear them at Cardiff Arms one day!
Hamish's version of this song is one of the best if not the best I've ever heard . I first heard Hamish on the BFN in Germany in the 70's singing Cod Liver Oil . A great and good man . Never mind the politics just honour the man . Hamish is for you non gaelic speakers out there, the Scot's Gaelic version of the Irish Seamus (James )
Lets not forget that the father of the 1916 leader patrick Pearse was god forbid an Englishman and Erskine Childers served in the RAF .
Hey, some Anglo-Irish protestants were very much to the forefront of the Free Irish movement, Woltetone included! We tend to forget that now or ignore it. I don't know why. Protestant and Rebublican were not mutually exclusive, not at all!
pal o' mine at university was called Sean and he was from Belfast. he was in the wrong pub one evening and got asked his name... told them but the music was so loud the guy asking thought he said John... he told me that that mis-hear didn't quite save his life but probably saved him a good twatting...
is it still as bad now, since the official ending of the 'Troubles'? just curious... would be interesting to know what the result of that political stuff was at the grass-roots level - which is really where it all counts.
would be sad if there was no real difference at the community level after all this stuff at the political level... :/
Sir, it has made a huge difference. Pay no notice to this "shuggyduggy" character. The provinence of NI now looks and feels very much like the rest of the UK, the "war-zone" feel has gone, and we are all much more relaxed, even joking with each other once again!
In short, I can now happily bring friends for a visit and not be embarrassed at the security/barb-wire! All the border checks are gone too, and the old "unofficial" roads reopened! You drive into Eire without noticing a thing!
i'll take the word of someone who actually lives there and has seen the difference it has made over that of someone who 'lived there a few years' but evidently doesn't live there now.
sure, there's still some hot-heads still doing stupid stuff, but i understand that they are very much disowned by the people they claim to be 'doing it for' on both sides.
i have no doubt that yon airse will still fart, mind; but i'll take your word over his.
"very much disowned by the people they claim to be 'doing it for' "
That hits the nail on the head Sir. There is an element amongst the disenfranchised youth, (what's new?), who still shout for violence; but amongst the grown ups on both sides, there is a palpable feeling of "no going back". The adults all remember the bad old days, and have no wish to return there, ever!
There is a general hopefulness for the future which was sadly lacking for too long in the Province...
(cont) And an understanding, that for better or worse, we are all in it together! So we may as well make the best of it together!
I can't illustrate it better than pointing you to what Martin McGuiness called the murderers of those 2 soldiers and policeman: "Traitors to the Island of Ireland"!
Given his own background, that must give you some idea of the Sea-Change in the political landscape in NI?
There can be no going back. And I think all thinking folk see that.
i was just there in N I last summer.. The towns are a shit hole ..when compared to the South.. The roads suck..the place looks like poverty stricken "blight"..!
Sorry...in the South it was wayyy better..
I say that ..and ALL my Family lives in the North..near Derry..Belfast and Omagh..
The TRUTH hurts I know..but it's still the truth.. Giants Causeway area was nice..but ALL the country side is nice in Irleand N or S.. Tthe towns in the N are blight..you can smell the poverty..
Then you should have seen the place in the 70's & 80's! I don't accept that Derry and Belfast are "shit holes" Sir. Their city centres are much improved. Yes, they have their poorer areas, but what major cities don't?
My point was that NI has come a long way in "normalizing". The army check points are gone, the bull-dozed roads that just ended where they reached the border are open again.
But the real change has been in the people. Sorry you didn't see that!
what are you , the NIO spokesperson or the feckin tourist board . In south armagh not a single border crossing was ever closed because the people physically prevented the british from doing so . At the weekend there was major alert on the border railway line , british police checking it came under heavy gunnfire . Few weeks before that the courthouse in newry was car bombed . The brits are still here and sadly that means so is the conflict .
The same was not the case in the other border counties I asure you!
"british police checking it came under heavy gunnfire" You mean, the Police Service of Northern Ireland? Which has full cross party support, including the specific endorsement of Martin McGuiness?
And by "brits" you mean no doubt, the majority Protestant community who are of Scots descent? And only been there 400 odd years!
The only legitimate conflict is political debate & democracy. Not terrorism!
@DonegalRaymie201 the irish community have been there more than 400 yrs m8... its all politcs and control... the southern irish have been treated like shit!! But they/ we stick together..... and im london born irish decent!!! History is a head fuck.. if u go back far enuff not many of us are who we think we are!!
Why don't you look at who/what I was replying to? Someone condoning violence against perceived "invaders/ planter filth", despite their being in Ireland for more generations than we can count!
Do those of Irish descent living in UK count as less British because their great great granda' emigrated?
It's sheer, blatant hypocrisy! Thankfully, most of us Irish see it for what it is: a cover for biggotry, nothing more!
@DonegalRaymie201: another legitimate conflict is the one between cats and dogs. I'm not sure who started it; but personally I think they need to put their differences aside.
Btw, Scanbran, thanks for adding the lyrics. Do the Irish still feel like this about the English? E.g. what would happen to me if I went to a Dublin pub with a Three Lions Jersey during the football world cup?
Depends on who was playing! No, seriously, most of those who remember how the British treated the Irish are now very old or dead, so to a large extent, it has been forgotten. Forgiven? That's another matter! try it and see! (You'd be fine, unless you won that is!)
Come on! There are nothing but English in Edinburgh, especially during the Festival or for the Rugby matches. I've never heard of any fatalities as a result!
@princeofpointless come on now... i live in crossmaglen in south armagh... if an english person came in to a pub, never mind an english jersey... there would be murder
Yes, it is, I think what hints to that it the frequent reference to Mauser rifles, which were, I assume, imported from Germany, in a time when the Germans sought to support anyone who'd give the English trouble.
How did they get the guns into Ireland? This was during World War 1 wasn't it, and Ireland as part of Britain would have been at war with Germany? I'm not disputing your account, just wondering!
You're probably right questioning that. I was basing my assumption merely on the fact that the IRA partially was equipped with rifles produced in Germany (or is, in popular culture, so depicted). Given that is was 1916, I concluded the Germans would have sent them to Ireland. But maybe I'm wrong here, the wikipedia entry for Mauser G 98 (the rifle in question) doesn't mention it being shipped to Ireland. Maybe these were weapons captured by the British, and then somehow acquired by the IRA.
I simply don't know, it wouldn't be the first time nations at war got involved with counter insurgency now? Think of the Partisans in Yugoslavia, "La Resistance" in France in WW2. It does seem strange that the song makes a point of letting us clearly know that it is German weapons and bullets they used! And the "martyrs" of 1916 were convicted of "Treason"! I just never thought it involved collusion with the enemy? Your thoughts good sir?
No idea. Just guessing: Maybe the Republicans grew fond of their Mausers, generally precise and reliable as these rifles were? The British being equipped with Enfields, the IRA might have come to regard the Mausers as "their" trademark, as part of their identity as fighters for Irish independence. Perhaps it's also the poetic effect of it. "Playing sweet Mauser music for Erin go Bragh" provides a sort of metaphor or euphemism for "firing their rifles at British soldiers".
Thanks for pointing that out! I didn't know this song. Luckily, it is also available on Youtube. The question remains whether the German Empire was actively involved, but I guess they were, since arms would not be readily available for sale. Also, someone in the comment section of a "Banna Strand" version mentioned Casement arriving by U-boat, which hints to an active German backing of the IRA.
'Mauser' might be used merely for the number of syllables alright, evilklabautermann :-)
However, there was indeed a load of arms landed from a boat (the Asgard ?) at Howth, 10 kms from Dublin, in 1914. The arms were destined for the Irish Volunteers and were most probably of German origin. These would've been the arms used in the Easter Rising by the fraction of Volunteers that took part.
Casement, and by extension the arms he came with, was captured the same week the Easter Rising took place. No arms that arrived with Casement ever got near the rebels in Dublin. If any Mausers were used at all, they were those landed at Howth in 1914.
Thanks for the correction. My limited wikipedia knowledge failed me there. But, reading again, it seems that the IRA was indeed founded not until after the Easter Rising, as a merger of the Irish Volunteers and the Citizen Army.
James Connolly was in the British army at the time but as he seen the cruelty and injustice there he therefore lead the easter rising as one of its leaders but id imagine he supplyied alot if he had access to the Britsh arms.
Yes, it is, I think what hints to that is the frequent reference to Mauser rifles, which were, I assume, imported from Germany, in a time when the Germans sought to support anyone who'd give the English trouble.
You misunderstand: I was replying to "kbcmighty" and his Pro dissident republican comments, in favour of terrorism TODAY, despite the overwhelming wishes of the majorities in both communities in NI!
These people speak for no one, and could never get elected legitimately!
Éirinn go Brách lads Éirinn go Brách....
jwn5 1 week ago
Who cares if today's music's shit, there is a vast library of diamonds from the past just waiting to be discovered, heard and enjoyed.
MuzikSuite 1 month ago
found this in my mothers vinyl...........class!!
seansouth06 1 month ago
Tiocfaidh ár lá!
jpdalvi 4 months ago
Brothers Irish, Croats are always with you. Fuck England!!!!! IRELAND FOREVER
stimso1 7 months ago 7
@stimso1 i will meet you one day.....and fucking show you a "good time in england".....understand.
junkman19571 2 months ago
I wish I was Irish...
AureusVenerabilis 8 months ago
Éirinn go brách agus go deo. Sláinte agus Tiocfaidh ár lá!
BrodEirennach90 11 months ago 3
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TheVickyedwards 11 months ago
Whot an Ameizin' sowng.
Dadutta 1 year ago
tiocfaidh ar la!!!
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RHuutton2710="another legitimate conflict is the one between cats and dogs. I'm not sure who started it; but personally I think they need to put their differences aside. " = Ireland then surrendered.....
victordari 1 year ago
What a great song by an excellent Scottish singer ...R.I.P Hamish
saorsa74 1 year ago 6
Tiochfaidh Ar La
havokbaphomet666 1 year ago
You could do yousell a favour and learn some history
brownkevi 1 year ago
fine rendition,like it a lot
macker33 1 year ago
well-done-hamish-very-good-rendition-love-this-mans-music
paul1x1 1 year ago 2
I'm a little confused 16dan90, you don't want to be affiliated with terrorism? but you flaunt the date which celebrates the battle of the boyne, Doesn't make sense to me and infact I don't know what you get from this song if that is the case, my hearing isnt the best but its a song about overthrowing the British tyranny, Right?
loveminuszeronolimit 1 year ago
the scots are isish people learn ur histery they were an irish clan called the scots the moved up to the tip of that god forsaken place and made it there owne and with grate pride the freed ther slef from the king i am irish and i welcome all my celt brothers and sisters "SUAS AN RA" Tiocfaidh Ar La. Oglaigh na hErinn Agus Erin Go Bragh. Seol an ais go Béarla go hIfreann bhí an bastards féidir dhó a thaitníonn leo tuillte
SuperDerekt 1 year ago
@SuperDerekt Don't you dare try associate the Scots with your terrorist beliefs. Scotland is a Protestant country, and has no wish to be affliated with the terrorists in Ireland. They would however stand by their protestant children settled in Ulster.
16dan90 1 year ago
@SuperDerekt
It's a bit hard to describe Caledonia, as it then was, as "that god forsaken place"! It was Pagan yes, because the native Picts had refused to accept Roman dominion, and so Roman Christianity never took hold. They were only a bit behind us, and they did provide St. Colm Cille/ Columba with people to convert.
The Romans didn't conquer them and the English couldn't, despite many efforts. A lot to be proud of really.
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago 4
Perhaps
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I would also mention that the Mauser and its clones (Nagant, Springfield, etc) were all legal and readily available in most of the Western world. Even now, American and British soldiers capture one in Afghanistan or Iraq or Bosnia....
ajferet 1 year ago
EIRE GO BRACH!!!
Moscow
KOHTAKTEP 1 year ago
Éireann go Brách
Istanbul
ventolinman 2 years ago
Ottoman Empire no more. Your History is obsolete Sit down.
16dan90 1 year ago
scots and irish are best
5pid3y 2 years ago 27
@5pid3y Agreed mo chara
BrodEirennach90 11 months ago
@5pid3y Aye mate, that we are! Sláinte agus .tál.
Alba agus Eire go deo!
TheKelticKowboy 2 months ago in playlist TheKelticKowboy's favorites
I thought the Irish used the Lee Enfield primarily, as opposed to the Mauser (probably a 98) mentioned in the song?
sanjuancb 2 years ago
Er...
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Yes and no. The IRA of that period used primarily captured or purchased British weaponry (mainly Enfields, but some other stuff, in addition to a large amount of American weapons (notably the Thompson)... but the 98K figured greatly in the Rising, since Germany attempted to supply the Irish rebels with thousands of Mausers
ajferet 1 year ago
in actual fact the bulk of the equipment the Germans attempted to supply for the uprising were captured french rifles . Although your correct that the mauser featured heavily in 1916 due to its importation at howth by erskine childers as well as much smaller purchases over the previous few years . The mauser was also imported in large numbers by the IRA in the 1919-21 period believe it or not . In fact post truce they fairly flooded into the country .
kbcmighty 1 year ago
virtually all the rifles used in the 1916 uprising would have been of the mauser variety . It wasnt until a few years later that the lee enfield would have started finding its way into irish hands due to guerilla raids on arms stores and ambushes of british patrols .
kbcmighty 1 year ago
The main rifle used by the Republican forces on 'Easter Week 1916' was the 'Mauser m1871 / Gerwehr 71'... these were smuggled into Howth Harbour on the 'Asgard' in 26 July 1914... 900 rifles were brought in on that day plus 30,000 rounds for same...
malachy1847 1 year ago
@malachy1847 see... german guns in irish hands.. if thats not cooperation ;)
Nordicunity 1 year ago
Éirinn go brách.
nicolettileo 2 years ago
such a great version of this song
lobschta 2 years ago
too much beautiful music in the world.. hard to get to it all
PunkMartyr 2 years ago 22
This is a superb effort by the late Hamish Imlach.
Why do so many folk music heros die so young?
nacho1560 2 years ago 4
Great song!
xfool 2 years ago
brillaint
joegrayofhesselink89 2 years ago
Very good version here, never heard of this guy!
phoenix1916 2 years ago
Brilliant song about a briliant nation.
PURPLEBEATTIE1 2 years ago
Great song...but lyrics are WAY off.
RogueRover 2 years ago
best version
KILWARLIN 2 years ago
hamish is the best talent ive ever seen, such a beautiful song
SelfProtection95 3 years ago
Always liked this song - known in Dublin as 'The Row in the Town' which typifies the native sarcasm of the Dubliner. The author was Peadar Kearney, Brendan Behan's uncle. Just have to wonder how the same man managed to write that pile of bombastic shite 'Amhrain na bhFiann'.... Then again, does anyone know somewhere with a dacent national anthem ?
Great version by Hamish too - a true Gael !
sealt160n 3 years ago
"La Marseillaise" and the Russian one, formerly the USSR national anthem are both amazing. I'm no Russian, but when I hear it, it makes my chest swell with pride!
Oh, and the Welsh. "Land of my Fathers". Don't know if it's the song or the way they sing it, but the Welsh rugby fans can make me tingle at Murrayfield, or Landsdowne Road! I hope to hear them at Cardiff Arms one day!
DonegalRaymie201 2 years ago
Scotland, ya cunt :L
Flower of Scotland ;)
shuggyduggy 2 years ago
Hamish's version of this song is one of the best if not the best I've ever heard . I first heard Hamish on the BFN in Germany in the 70's singing Cod Liver Oil . A great and good man . Never mind the politics just honour the man . Hamish is for you non gaelic speakers out there, the Scot's Gaelic version of the Irish Seamus (James )
Lets not forget that the father of the 1916 leader patrick Pearse was god forbid an Englishman and Erskine Childers served in the RAF .
IrishDubliner99 3 years ago
Hey, some Anglo-Irish protestants were very much to the forefront of the Free Irish movement, Woltetone included! We tend to forget that now or ignore it. I don't know why. Protestant and Rebublican were not mutually exclusive, not at all!
DonegalRaymie201 2 years ago 3
"Hamish is for you non gaelic speakers out there, the Scot's Gaelic version of the Irish Seamus (James )"
Kinda true, but needs amplifying.
Irish- Séamus (vocative: Shéamuis)
Scottish- Seumas (vocative: Sheumais)
Both vocatives are pronounced 'Hamish'.
psychobollox 2 years ago
Ah, but you are right! Was going to point out that "Sean" was a Norman French version of "Iain/ Eoin", then noticed my error!
Aye, it's gie pish being a numpty!
DonegalRaymie201 2 years ago
mae worries, man... ;)
Éireann agus Alba gu bragh, yeh?
;)
psychobollox 2 years ago
Aye! That's richt!
Thanks for taking my error in good humour!
DonegalRaymie201 2 years ago
is there any other way to take an error? ;)
psychobollox 2 years ago
lol, ma names Sean
hahahahaha
if id caught ye giein it the norman french crap ahd've tore ye a new an', big yin
shuggyduggy 2 years ago
pal o' mine at university was called Sean and he was from Belfast. he was in the wrong pub one evening and got asked his name... told them but the music was so loud the guy asking thought he said John... he told me that that mis-hear didn't quite save his life but probably saved him a good twatting...
psychobollox 2 years ago
hahaha
fucks sake,
ive got family in belfast and i lived there a few years...i know where to go and where not to
lololol
shuggyduggy 2 years ago
indeed...
is it still as bad now, since the official ending of the 'Troubles'? just curious... would be interesting to know what the result of that political stuff was at the grass-roots level - which is really where it all counts.
would be sad if there was no real difference at the community level after all this stuff at the political level... :/
psychobollox 2 years ago
lol
community level?
they're still kickin fuck outta us and we're still bombing them
haha
shuggyduggy 2 years ago
i'd wondered...
:/
psychobollox 2 years ago
Sir, it has made a huge difference. Pay no notice to this "shuggyduggy" character. The provinence of NI now looks and feels very much like the rest of the UK, the "war-zone" feel has gone, and we are all much more relaxed, even joking with each other once again!
In short, I can now happily bring friends for a visit and not be embarrassed at the security/barb-wire! All the border checks are gone too, and the old "unofficial" roads reopened! You drive into Eire without noticing a thing!
DonegalRaymie201 2 years ago
go raibh míle math agat!
i'll take the word of someone who actually lives there and has seen the difference it has made over that of someone who 'lived there a few years' but evidently doesn't live there now.
sure, there's still some hot-heads still doing stupid stuff, but i understand that they are very much disowned by the people they claim to be 'doing it for' on both sides.
i have no doubt that yon airse will still fart, mind; but i'll take your word over his.
psychobollox 2 years ago
Yes, exactly that!
"very much disowned by the people they claim to be 'doing it for' "
That hits the nail on the head Sir. There is an element amongst the disenfranchised youth, (what's new?), who still shout for violence; but amongst the grown ups on both sides, there is a palpable feeling of "no going back". The adults all remember the bad old days, and have no wish to return there, ever!
There is a general hopefulness for the future which was sadly lacking for too long in the Province...
DonegalRaymie201 2 years ago
(cont) And an understanding, that for better or worse, we are all in it together! So we may as well make the best of it together!
I can't illustrate it better than pointing you to what Martin McGuiness called the murderers of those 2 soldiers and policeman: "Traitors to the Island of Ireland"!
Given his own background, that must give you some idea of the Sea-Change in the political landscape in NI?
There can be no going back. And I think all thinking folk see that.
Sir, we have hope!
DonegalRaymie201 2 years ago
i was just there in N I last summer.. The towns are a shit hole ..when compared to the South.. The roads suck..the place looks like poverty stricken "blight"..!
Sorry...in the South it was wayyy better..
I say that ..and ALL my Family lives in the North..near Derry..Belfast and Omagh..
The TRUTH hurts I know..but it's still the truth.. Giants Causeway area was nice..but ALL the country side is nice in Irleand N or S.. Tthe towns in the N are blight..you can smell the poverty..
EWETUBER2 2 years ago
@EWETUBER2
Then you should have seen the place in the 70's & 80's! I don't accept that Derry and Belfast are "shit holes" Sir. Their city centres are much improved. Yes, they have their poorer areas, but what major cities don't?
My point was that NI has come a long way in "normalizing". The army check points are gone, the bull-dozed roads that just ended where they reached the border are open again.
But the real change has been in the people. Sorry you didn't see that!
DonegalRaymie201 2 years ago
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jamiehcfc 2 years ago
@jamiehcfc
Happy about what?
DonegalRaymie201 2 years ago
@DonegalRaymie201
what are you , the NIO spokesperson or the feckin tourist board . In south armagh not a single border crossing was ever closed because the people physically prevented the british from doing so . At the weekend there was major alert on the border railway line , british police checking it came under heavy gunnfire . Few weeks before that the courthouse in newry was car bombed . The brits are still here and sadly that means so is the conflict .
kbcmighty 1 year ago
@kbcmighty
The same was not the case in the other border counties I asure you!
"british police checking it came under heavy gunnfire" You mean, the Police Service of Northern Ireland? Which has full cross party support, including the specific endorsement of Martin McGuiness?
And by "brits" you mean no doubt, the majority Protestant community who are of Scots descent? And only been there 400 odd years!
The only legitimate conflict is political debate & democracy. Not terrorism!
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago 5
@DonegalRaymie201 the irish community have been there more than 400 yrs m8... its all politcs and control... the southern irish have been treated like shit!! But they/ we stick together..... and im london born irish decent!!! History is a head fuck.. if u go back far enuff not many of us are who we think we are!!
harrymonk1975 1 year ago
@harrymonk1975
Why don't you look at who/what I was replying to? Someone condoning violence against perceived "invaders/ planter filth", despite their being in Ireland for more generations than we can count!
Do those of Irish descent living in UK count as less British because their great great granda' emigrated?
It's sheer, blatant hypocrisy! Thankfully, most of us Irish see it for what it is: a cover for biggotry, nothing more!
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago 3
@DonegalRaymie201: another legitimate conflict is the one between cats and dogs. I'm not sure who started it; but personally I think they need to put their differences aside.
RHutton2710 1 year ago
Btw, Scanbran, thanks for adding the lyrics. Do the Irish still feel like this about the English? E.g. what would happen to me if I went to a Dublin pub with a Three Lions Jersey during the football world cup?
evilklabautermann 3 years ago
Depends on who was playing! No, seriously, most of those who remember how the British treated the Irish are now very old or dead, so to a large extent, it has been forgotten. Forgiven? That's another matter! try it and see! (You'd be fine, unless you won that is!)
DonegalRaymie201 3 years ago
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princeofpointless 3 years ago
Come on! There are nothing but English in Edinburgh, especially during the Festival or for the Rugby matches. I've never heard of any fatalities as a result!
DonegalRaymie201 3 years ago
@princeofpointless come on now... i live in crossmaglen in south armagh... if an english person came in to a pub, never mind an english jersey... there would be murder
jonker236 2 years ago
Sir, are you quoting him, or is that your own view?
I know well where you refer to. The time for xenophobia is long past.
DonegalRaymie201 2 years ago
Yes, it is, I think what hints to that it the frequent reference to Mauser rifles, which were, I assume, imported from Germany, in a time when the Germans sought to support anyone who'd give the English trouble.
evilklabautermann 3 years ago
How did they get the guns into Ireland? This was during World War 1 wasn't it, and Ireland as part of Britain would have been at war with Germany? I'm not disputing your account, just wondering!
DonegalRaymie201 3 years ago
You're probably right questioning that. I was basing my assumption merely on the fact that the IRA partially was equipped with rifles produced in Germany (or is, in popular culture, so depicted). Given that is was 1916, I concluded the Germans would have sent them to Ireland. But maybe I'm wrong here, the wikipedia entry for Mauser G 98 (the rifle in question) doesn't mention it being shipped to Ireland. Maybe these were weapons captured by the British, and then somehow acquired by the IRA.
evilklabautermann 3 years ago
I simply don't know, it wouldn't be the first time nations at war got involved with counter insurgency now? Think of the Partisans in Yugoslavia, "La Resistance" in France in WW2. It does seem strange that the song makes a point of letting us clearly know that it is German weapons and bullets they used! And the "martyrs" of 1916 were convicted of "Treason"! I just never thought it involved collusion with the enemy? Your thoughts good sir?
DonegalRaymie201 3 years ago
No idea. Just guessing: Maybe the Republicans grew fond of their Mausers, generally precise and reliable as these rifles were? The British being equipped with Enfields, the IRA might have come to regard the Mausers as "their" trademark, as part of their identity as fighters for Irish independence. Perhaps it's also the poetic effect of it. "Playing sweet Mauser music for Erin go Bragh" provides a sort of metaphor or euphemism for "firing their rifles at British soldiers".
Greetings
evilklabautermann 3 years ago
Do you know the song "Lonely Banna Strand"? It´s about Sir Roger Casement bringin German rifles to Ireland by ship during WWI.
caranthir21 3 years ago
Thanks for pointing that out! I didn't know this song. Luckily, it is also available on Youtube. The question remains whether the German Empire was actively involved, but I guess they were, since arms would not be readily available for sale. Also, someone in the comment section of a "Banna Strand" version mentioned Casement arriving by U-boat, which hints to an active German backing of the IRA.
evilklabautermann 3 years ago
'Mauser' might be used merely for the number of syllables alright, evilklabautermann :-)
However, there was indeed a load of arms landed from a boat (the Asgard ?) at Howth, 10 kms from Dublin, in 1914. The arms were destined for the Irish Volunteers and were most probably of German origin. These would've been the arms used in the Easter Rising by the fraction of Volunteers that took part.
sealt160n 3 years ago
Casement, and by extension the arms he came with, was captured the same week the Easter Rising took place. No arms that arrived with Casement ever got near the rebels in Dublin. If any Mausers were used at all, they were those landed at Howth in 1914.
sealt160n 3 years ago
its a song,
a damn good one at tht,
and unless u hav a wee time machine, or ur very very very old, i doubt u could know tht for certain
so fuck off ;)
shuggyduggy 2 years ago
Actually it was the IRB and the irish volunteers that imported the guns ,the IRA was not actually established until a few years later !
mattpbent 3 years ago
Thanks for the correction. My limited wikipedia knowledge failed me there. But, reading again, it seems that the IRA was indeed founded not until after the Easter Rising, as a merger of the Irish Volunteers and the Citizen Army.
evilklabautermann 3 years ago
James Connolly was in the British army at the time but as he seen the cruelty and injustice there he therefore lead the easter rising as one of its leaders but id imagine he supplyied alot if he had access to the Britsh arms.
hammy2myhf 3 years ago
Tom Barry decided to fight for Irish freedom, while on duty with the Brits too :p
Seamus616 3 years ago
Ah, now it makes more sense. It's about the 1916 Easter Uprising.
DonegalRaymie201 3 years ago
Yes, it is, I think what hints to that is the frequent reference to Mauser rifles, which were, I assume, imported from Germany, in a time when the Germans sought to support anyone who'd give the English trouble.
[sorry for double post]
evilklabautermann 3 years ago
"From Culloden MacDonald, MacDermott, MacBride and here's to James Connolly who gave one hurray"? Am confused, what is the song about?
DonegalRaymie201 3 years ago 5
I've added some lyrics to the info section to make the song clearer.
scanbran 3 years ago 2
Thanks, that should help!
DonegalRaymie201 3 years ago
@scanbran Lyrics don't really match the song...
ameriman 1 year ago
@scanbran horror and placed are the wrong words. placed should be faced and horror sounds a bit like hawk???
tumadoireacht 1 year ago
hes not saying hurray, hes saying iraaa I.R.A and the songs about the people who lead and fought for the I.R.A (irish republican army)
murphiooo 1 year ago
@murphiooo
You misunderstand: I was replying to "kbcmighty" and his Pro dissident republican comments, in favour of terrorism TODAY, despite the overwhelming wishes of the majorities in both communities in NI!
These people speak for no one, and could never get elected legitimately!
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago 2
@murphiooo no he's saying hurrah. "He gave one hurrah."
"iraaa?" really?
captross07 1 year ago
@DonegalRaymie201
The song is about the 1916 rising in Dublin and the proclamation of Irish freedom.
81tiocfaidharla 1 year ago 2
@DonegalRaymie201 the rising man..1916
Seamus616 7 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 well erin go braugh means ireland forever so this song is saying how great ireland is which it is! :)
8belleangel8 6 months ago
playing sweet mauser music for erin go bragh , which means to any body who doesnt know ireland forever lol
belfastandproud 3 years ago
It means, duck!. Its the best way for a Captain to make Major...
ajferet 3 years ago
Heroic Erin
disorder269 3 years ago
Wonderful song, though I've great difficulty understanding the lyrics! Probably even better than Dick Gaughan's version, if you ask me.
evilklabautermann 3 years ago
It's a totally different song than Gaughan's! Different lyrics and tune.
DonegalRaymie201 3 years ago
Up the 'Ra na Erin Go Bragh!
ShamrockerIRA 3 years ago
Fantastic music. Thank heavenens people like this were created, such music is powerful stuff
ferretgimp 3 years ago
best version ive ever heard
Seamus616 3 years ago
Unreal song in a scottish accent.
Na Gaeil Abú
Seamus616 3 years ago
I think you will find Hamish was in the Emmettones who released this in the 60's - an Irish chart hit.
jabborn01 3 years ago
kul
gEzaT8 3 years ago
guitar chords anyone?
tearlach45 3 years ago
YES. i love this song.
IRISH PRIDE! that'll show the english to mess with the irish
drewgorman21 3 years ago
...also i have to say the mandoline peice in this song is superb, (thats me assuming that there is both guitar AND mandoline)
tearlach45 3 years ago
wow, nice version from a fellow scotsman, Celts sympithising with fellow Celts.
tearlach45 3 years ago
alba agus eire abu. saoirse go deo.
an mhaith. great version
larrycake1981 3 years ago
Superb song and singer, thanks..
saorsa74 3 years ago