Is there a god?...NO... there is no need for one the universe can not be created or destroyed. Life is a process and so to is what you call death. Death is life in a different form we call it death because the physical faculties we are used to we have to give those up when the time comes. It may not be life as we perceive it here on earth but its not the end of anything.
There is no such thing as nothingness so to say you die and go back to nothingness is ridiculous because to come from nothing then exist then go back to being nothing is preposterous . Do we know if we will be able to interact on some level of consciousness .....We don't know...Will we be aware of it... we don't know.
Through out its existence it will change its form thousands of times over. DEATH DOES NOT EXIST. You will only change from one state of energy to another. Life as you understand it will not continue in the form of a physical being with the 5 senses you currently have.
OK people...Here is the thing. Life is existence and existence itself is eternal..WHY?....Because energy can not be created or destroyed but only changes its form. everything in the universe is energy it has always existed and will always exist.
I agree, I think it is just as well that life and consciousness is finite. Every version of eternal life that I have heard of sounds like hell to me.
I read a study based on life insurance actuary tables that predicted that if humans became immune to all disease, infectious and hereditary, and even aging, our live span would be about 600 years at best.
Accidents and homicides would get us eventually so life would still be finite.
Yup. The thought that your life span may one day be indefinite sounds quite appealing. Until you realise that, being virtually immortal but practically you will still die one day, even if that day is completely unknown and unpredictable, then the only ways left to shuffle off this mortal coil are tragic. You just can't win.
@rozeboosje: Yes. That kind of "immortality" is much more appealing. One where *I* choose whan I die. And one where accident or foul play might, just maybe, be able to kill me... sign me up :) But, no "Djinni" style immortality where you are ever-living, but not neccessarily ever-healthy (remembers movies like Wishmaster, X-Files and dozens of novels with literal minded Djinn).
No chance. I wouldn't mind though if some of the severe limitations that are currently imposed on our life span were lifted. I wouldn't want to live forever, but it would be nice if our life spans weren't so bloody definite. If you even make it to age 100, you know that you're certainly not going to be around much longer.
That is a reason I'm glad to be prosthetic... I'm fragile right now but once I'm complete I'll be able to exist as long as I have a reason to exist ^_^ Once I stop existing then I'm gone though o.O
Our precious memories, oh how we treasure them. We remember them, or so we believe, as long as we live. But, the truth is, we do NOT retain our memories as sharply in a year as the day they were made. We remember elements of them. We remember a few small details and the outline of them. And we fill in the rest with other things our imaginations can come up with. It is a process much akin to JPG compression. Only it goes on compressing itself until, many years from now, it has faded a bit.
Exactly - so even in our FINITE lifetime our past becomes an amorphous blur in which some shapes can be vaguely seen. And that's bad enough. Then again, do you NEED to remember at what time, exactly, you did a poo on 13 August 1986?
@rozeboosje: Or, worse yet, if you could have extremely detailed recall, re-experience anything at all, forwards and backwards, would you really want to? I have many memories that I remember as being highpoints in my life I would love to relieve. Like finding out what those flappy bits between my legs were good for or my first explosion (I was a junior mad scientist), but some panful memories I don't want to recall. Imagine recalling your worst bout of bad poo on 13 august 1986... backwards?
@rozeboosje: Ugh, indeed! The idea was even used in "Bearing an Hourglass" by Piers Anthony where a man accidently becomes "Father Time" after he has an encounter with the old and about to retire incarnation of time. That experience was one he gains while mastering the flow of time. Had me doing ROFL then, myself :D
@PinkProgram: That would actually be a really cool thing. You'd be able to access all those what-ifs in slightly older timelines to see what each action could bring, ferret out new tech and be able to see younger timelines and get a better idea of some of your possible past events. Even if the older/younger timelines stated to diverge early, you'd probably be able to guess days or weeks in advance. And you might access memories from a timeline where you are the opposite gender.
Cosmic snake oil. There is an afterlife - it is everything that remains in reality after we die. If you want to make the afterlife a good place, you raise your children to be responsible and caring members of society and you leave a contribution to people in the future by working hard now to make things better. And in doing so you have a...fantastic life.
Now, all this seems so obvious to me that its almost banal to say it. Yet I have never heard a single priest or clergy period say words to this effect, in a sermon, a speech or an interview. Its because people that live by these rules have basically no need for what religion offers. It goes over their heads and runs rings around their empty promises like the Red Arrows!
What if you were born into an eternal existence. would you long for death or just accept your status and live on? Would you have any concept of death then?
But yeah, your frame of reference would certainly change if you lived on and on and continued to accumulate knowledge. If you knew all about writing, would you write or would it be a fruitless exercise with no sense of accomplishment?
Exactly. Don't get too hung up about the fact that your experiences are so similar to those of others. They're still important to you. That 13 year old girl's life may be run of the mill when looking at it from the outside, it's still very special to that 13 year old girl.
I have thought about individuality. Here's something to ponder. 7 billion "individuals". How individual can they be? And how precious are the memories if we were to consider that everyone has similar experiences on the whole? While the 13 year old girl runs around pressing some iPhone device, grinning at some pic or text on it, thinking her life is so special, there's billions more. We already aren't that individual but we like to think we are. What if...
great video. You make a great point about the memories. Without our memories, none of us are who we are today. I don't think anyone would deny that even with reincarnation people would lose some sense of individuality. Our names, our memories, who we know, where we work, those would all fade away. In a way, this video was kind of sad and depressing.
Good points. But that is some depression shit. Once again I'm reminded why I try not to think about these things. I think everyone that is currently exploring faith and what not on YouTube should switch to talking about consciousness. Nobody makes videos about that anymore.
It's natural that when you first start looking at something straight, after a life time of avoiding it, the first things you'll see are scary and depressing. After you get over that you'll start seeing the more beautiful aspects ... I hope.
What is this transparent liquid that is coming out of my eyes? I'm feeling some heaviness inside my dark atheist heart.. Stop making this type of videos Rozeboosje! Makes me feel weird. Now where is my booze?!!
It however hinges on the importance of memories. You assume memories "make" you, but are you really the same you as you were 10 years ago? Aren't recent memories added to your brain and the pretty much infinite possibilities the galaxy have to offer something that could more or less renew the significance the passing of time has, in its infinity?
Does your individual existence really consist of all your memories for such a large part?
@MelleB90, good point. Indeed I feel I could lose all my memories, although dear memories, and keep being myself. In other words, I feel myself always now, and the content of "now" changes continually, including my memories. I can imagine that at a certain point this now does not include any memory of my past (total amnesia), but I *feel* of being always myself. In other words it seems to me that this lingering in the now is more important to me than my memories.
You are, though, the product of your history, even if it's not all remembered in the form of conscious memories. In a finite lifetime, even if things are consciously forgotten, the history can be largely cumulative. In an infinite lifetime that is not possible for a being that remains finite in nature, and so you become completely disconnected from your past, and even though there is a nice continuity from past through to the present (more)
there is no denying that the entity from the past is as surely gone forever as if it had died. That is why any immortality in a human - or at least finite - form is a pipe dream.
I'm definitely not the same, no. I have a picture at home of a 2 year old boy. I don't know that boy. He's a stranger. He got very scared one day when his parents dragged him into the sea on a holiday in Italy. I don't know much else about him. He grew up to be me. In a way that boy is dead, and there is nobody mourning his loss. He never feared death and he didn't suffer. But still, today he's almost 100% gone. And that's not a bad thing.
Memories are of course important, as Alzheimers shows.
Talking freely, without any burden of proof, obviously :) , if I had to choose an eschatology I would go for an Advaita Vedanta - like one. Type Cosmic Drama by Alan Watts on Scribd d o t com.
Kind of profound really! To merge with some infinite deity is akin to eternal alzheimers I suppose. A pretty horrid thought. I once heard this from someone and I was horrified.
Is there a god?...NO... there is no need for one the universe can not be created or destroyed. Life is a process and so to is what you call death. Death is life in a different form we call it death because the physical faculties we are used to we have to give those up when the time comes. It may not be life as we perceive it here on earth but its not the end of anything.
freaky7377 2 years ago
There is no such thing as nothingness so to say you die and go back to nothingness is ridiculous because to come from nothing then exist then go back to being nothing is preposterous . Do we know if we will be able to interact on some level of consciousness .....We don't know...Will we be aware of it... we don't know.
freaky7377 2 years ago
Through out its existence it will change its form thousands of times over. DEATH DOES NOT EXIST. You will only change from one state of energy to another. Life as you understand it will not continue in the form of a physical being with the 5 senses you currently have.
freaky7377 2 years ago
OK people...Here is the thing. Life is existence and existence itself is eternal..WHY?....Because energy can not be created or destroyed but only changes its form. everything in the universe is energy it has always existed and will always exist.
freaky7377 2 years ago
I agree, I think it is just as well that life and consciousness is finite. Every version of eternal life that I have heard of sounds like hell to me.
I read a study based on life insurance actuary tables that predicted that if humans became immune to all disease, infectious and hereditary, and even aging, our live span would be about 600 years at best.
Accidents and homicides would get us eventually so life would still be finite.
macnutz 2 years ago
Yup. The thought that your life span may one day be indefinite sounds quite appealing. Until you realise that, being virtually immortal but practically you will still die one day, even if that day is completely unknown and unpredictable, then the only ways left to shuffle off this mortal coil are tragic. You just can't win.
rozeboosje 2 years ago
In deed. If you are seeking eternal life, you can't win.
macnutz 2 years ago
@rozeboosje: Yes. That kind of "immortality" is much more appealing. One where *I* choose whan I die. And one where accident or foul play might, just maybe, be able to kill me... sign me up :) But, no "Djinni" style immortality where you are ever-living, but not neccessarily ever-healthy (remembers movies like Wishmaster, X-Files and dozens of novels with literal minded Djinn).
RyuDarragh 2 years ago
she's a cutie. i still want to be immortal tho, i also want to be rich and healthy,...you cant miss what you never had :)
TheAist 2 years ago
Are you sure humans can handle immortality o.O you're all so self destructive.
PinkProgram 2 years ago
im not like other humans
TheAist 2 years ago
No chance. I wouldn't mind though if some of the severe limitations that are currently imposed on our life span were lifted. I wouldn't want to live forever, but it would be nice if our life spans weren't so bloody definite. If you even make it to age 100, you know that you're certainly not going to be around much longer.
rozeboosje 2 years ago
That is a reason I'm glad to be prosthetic... I'm fragile right now but once I'm complete I'll be able to exist as long as I have a reason to exist ^_^ Once I stop existing then I'm gone though o.O
PinkProgram 2 years ago
i guess i can relate, im hoping to have my brain put into a robot or maybe a clone of myself, science willing.
TheAist 2 years ago
Hold off for a hybrot symbiotic system ^_^ jellyfish tech trumps robotics :3
PinkProgram 2 years ago
im with ya, i could probably get over the immortality complex if we lived a little longer. there are people working on it.
TheAist 2 years ago
:-)
rozeboosje 2 years ago
Our precious memories, oh how we treasure them. We remember them, or so we believe, as long as we live. But, the truth is, we do NOT retain our memories as sharply in a year as the day they were made. We remember elements of them. We remember a few small details and the outline of them. And we fill in the rest with other things our imaginations can come up with. It is a process much akin to JPG compression. Only it goes on compressing itself until, many years from now, it has faded a bit.
RyuDarragh 2 years ago
Exactly - so even in our FINITE lifetime our past becomes an amorphous blur in which some shapes can be vaguely seen. And that's bad enough. Then again, do you NEED to remember at what time, exactly, you did a poo on 13 August 1986?
rozeboosje 2 years ago
@rozeboosje: Or, worse yet, if you could have extremely detailed recall, re-experience anything at all, forwards and backwards, would you really want to? I have many memories that I remember as being highpoints in my life I would love to relieve. Like finding out what those flappy bits between my legs were good for or my first explosion (I was a junior mad scientist), but some panful memories I don't want to recall. Imagine recalling your worst bout of bad poo on 13 august 1986... backwards?
RyuDarragh 2 years ago
ROFL and UGH
rozeboosje 2 years ago
@rozeboosje: Ugh, indeed! The idea was even used in "Bearing an Hourglass" by Piers Anthony where a man accidently becomes "Father Time" after he has an encounter with the old and about to retire incarnation of time. That experience was one he gains while mastering the flow of time. Had me doing ROFL then, myself :D
RyuDarragh 2 years ago
Imagine being able to remember sideways through time along any possible cause/effect chain within the confines of your lifespan ^_^
PinkProgram 2 years ago
@PinkProgram: That would actually be a really cool thing. You'd be able to access all those what-ifs in slightly older timelines to see what each action could bring, ferret out new tech and be able to see younger timelines and get a better idea of some of your possible past events. Even if the older/younger timelines stated to diverge early, you'd probably be able to guess days or weeks in advance. And you might access memories from a timeline where you are the opposite gender.
RyuDarragh 2 years ago
Cosmic snake oil. There is an afterlife - it is everything that remains in reality after we die. If you want to make the afterlife a good place, you raise your children to be responsible and caring members of society and you leave a contribution to people in the future by working hard now to make things better. And in doing so you have a...fantastic life.
ChrisJMoor 2 years ago
Now, all this seems so obvious to me that its almost banal to say it. Yet I have never heard a single priest or clergy period say words to this effect, in a sermon, a speech or an interview. Its because people that live by these rules have basically no need for what religion offers. It goes over their heads and runs rings around their empty promises like the Red Arrows!
ChrisJMoor 2 years ago
Well said
rozeboosje 2 years ago
I approve of your; "Reality is awesome, screw eternal life" policy but do not know if I can support your;
"Using small children to mass murder bubbles" platform.
TheTruePooka 2 years ago
@TheTruePooka This comment made me spit coffee across the room.
I thank you.
That is all.
dmwalker24 2 years ago
If rozeboosje says;
"9/11" and "No New Taxes" I can get past my reservations and he'll have my vote.
Your drinking problem? Sorry for being a bad influence. ;->
TheTruePooka 2 years ago
ROTFLMAO
rozeboosje 2 years ago
:-)
rozeboosje 2 years ago
Ahh this is from 2007, I was wondering why you were wearing a T-shirt in the Middle of the Winter. Cute daughter. ;-)
imthoughtlessforever 2 years ago
LOL
Indeed. And the little movie clip was from even earlier :-)
rozeboosje 2 years ago
Nice
5*
All the best
Kean
keanghiero 2 years ago
Thank you!
rozeboosje 2 years ago
there may be a metaphorical eternal life but ppl tend to take it too seriously
IraqIsWhack 2 years ago
Yeah
rozeboosje 2 years ago
regrettable that those who waited to live in the afterlife now cannot tell of the futility of doing the same
funkskull 2 years ago
Yup. The only good thing about it is that they'll never know they were mistaken.
rozeboosje 2 years ago
cont...
What if you were born into an eternal existence. would you long for death or just accept your status and live on? Would you have any concept of death then?
But yeah, your frame of reference would certainly change if you lived on and on and continued to accumulate knowledge. If you knew all about writing, would you write or would it be a fruitless exercise with no sense of accomplishment?
TruthSurge 2 years ago
Exactly. Don't get too hung up about the fact that your experiences are so similar to those of others. They're still important to you. That 13 year old girl's life may be run of the mill when looking at it from the outside, it's still very special to that 13 year old girl.
rozeboosje 2 years ago
I have thought about individuality. Here's something to ponder. 7 billion "individuals". How individual can they be? And how precious are the memories if we were to consider that everyone has similar experiences on the whole? While the 13 year old girl runs around pressing some iPhone device, grinning at some pic or text on it, thinking her life is so special, there's billions more. We already aren't that individual but we like to think we are. What if...
TruthSurge 2 years ago
Another great video, thank you!
Umbalafum 2 years ago
You're welcome!
rozeboosje 2 years ago
great video. You make a great point about the memories. Without our memories, none of us are who we are today. I don't think anyone would deny that even with reincarnation people would lose some sense of individuality. Our names, our memories, who we know, where we work, those would all fade away. In a way, this video was kind of sad and depressing.
HaleyMary 2 years ago
Yup, but I hope the series takes us out of this dip and into a happier place - in the end.
rozeboosje 2 years ago
more videos of your surroundings... I like your sofa, but...you know... what's your kitchen look like?
Elenkhos 2 years ago
LOL - I'll be re-uploading one or two of those, too.
rozeboosje 2 years ago
Good points. But that is some depression shit. Once again I'm reminded why I try not to think about these things. I think everyone that is currently exploring faith and what not on YouTube should switch to talking about consciousness. Nobody makes videos about that anymore.
alowlyapprentice 2 years ago
It's natural that when you first start looking at something straight, after a life time of avoiding it, the first things you'll see are scary and depressing. After you get over that you'll start seeing the more beautiful aspects ... I hope.
rozeboosje 2 years ago
many animals see their future and recall their pasts
ArtificialCleverenAI 2 years ago
project their future to the best of their ability. But yeah.
rozeboosje 2 years ago
What is this transparent liquid that is coming out of my eyes? I'm feeling some heaviness inside my dark atheist heart.. Stop making this type of videos Rozeboosje! Makes me feel weird. Now where is my booze?!!
The music matched nicely with the vid. 5*
mastrama13 2 years ago
There are a few more to come ...
rozeboosje 2 years ago
Beautiful and intriguing. Very very beautiful.
It however hinges on the importance of memories. You assume memories "make" you, but are you really the same you as you were 10 years ago? Aren't recent memories added to your brain and the pretty much infinite possibilities the galaxy have to offer something that could more or less renew the significance the passing of time has, in its infinity?
Does your individual existence really consist of all your memories for such a large part?
Thanks! 5*
MelleB90 2 years ago
@MelleB90, good point. Indeed I feel I could lose all my memories, although dear memories, and keep being myself. In other words, I feel myself always now, and the content of "now" changes continually, including my memories. I can imagine that at a certain point this now does not include any memory of my past (total amnesia), but I *feel* of being always myself. In other words it seems to me that this lingering in the now is more important to me than my memories.
italianchappy 2 years ago
You are, though, the product of your history, even if it's not all remembered in the form of conscious memories. In a finite lifetime, even if things are consciously forgotten, the history can be largely cumulative. In an infinite lifetime that is not possible for a being that remains finite in nature, and so you become completely disconnected from your past, and even though there is a nice continuity from past through to the present (more)
rozeboosje 2 years ago
there is no denying that the entity from the past is as surely gone forever as if it had died. That is why any immortality in a human - or at least finite - form is a pipe dream.
rozeboosje 2 years ago
I'm definitely not the same, no. I have a picture at home of a 2 year old boy. I don't know that boy. He's a stranger. He got very scared one day when his parents dragged him into the sea on a holiday in Italy. I don't know much else about him. He grew up to be me. In a way that boy is dead, and there is nobody mourning his loss. He never feared death and he didn't suffer. But still, today he's almost 100% gone. And that's not a bad thing.
Memories are of course important, as Alzheimers shows.
rozeboosje 2 years ago
Talking freely, without any burden of proof, obviously :) , if I had to choose an eschatology I would go for an Advaita Vedanta - like one. Type Cosmic Drama by Alan Watts on Scribd d o t com.
That would be really cool !
italianchappy 2 years ago
LOL - I'm afraid I'm going to have to go look that up. :-)
rozeboosje 2 years ago
it's very funny to read, too. Unfortunately, as you said, when things are too good.... Anyway, you never know. :)
italianchappy 2 years ago
Kind of profound really! To merge with some infinite deity is akin to eternal alzheimers I suppose. A pretty horrid thought. I once heard this from someone and I was horrified.
Stromatolite577 2 years ago
Yup. Somebody aiming to achieve that has, in my opinion, simply not thought hard enough about what they are wishing for.
rozeboosje 2 years ago
it used to keep me up at night as a child.. the nothingness of death. tho im closer to it now i dont think about it nearly as much.
i've always appreciated your take on this subject.
thanks.
oojamaflipper 2 years ago
Cheers. More to come!
rozeboosje 2 years ago