What about the 10 strong girl gang that encouraged Sabrina Barber as she sadistically attacked Naomi morrison for 90 minutes!!! When guys fight its over when one guy is down. The poor girl had her face stamped on, burned with cigarettes, eye-liner poured into her eyes, kicked in the crotch & abdomen to prevent her having kids. When people passed by she pretended to be looking after her affectionately, and then strangled her. 90 minutes of non-stop beating.
The problem is that by far the most women are drawn to tough guys, which encourages men to behave that way. Heck, nice guys have a much harder time to get laid just because they are nice. Go figure.
@MomoTheBellyDancer Your damn right. Also never tell a woman you're a nice guy it will make women run away from you. Women like men who are in control of them and men who don't put up with bullshit. You think a woman would like you if you were nice to them.
They do.. The women that count. The issue is that when a man is being nice it normally screams that they are a slag. Its confidence women like. If your nice and confidant know how to have a laugh then youll be fine
ahhh never mind...i was being bullheaded (face palm) hahaha. I understand now. This is a great video. I tend to do that at times, I just miss the whole point without listening. I have to work on that. Males do tend to take this whole masculinity thing over board and be really violent to show off how manly they are. I understand now the purpose of this video. Great video.
You should have been a feminist, sir. First off, its very proven that most of the time men will not report women who are violent towards them, and women who commit these crimes usually get off because people make fucking excuses like "Oh she was pregnant" "Oh her period" "Oh hormones." Being a woman I commonly was more apt to get into fights than most men, I was more apt to jump into fights and other women didn't care who they hurt, and men commonly cared more than women did, they were less apt
to hit women, and picked who they screwed with differently then other people. A man who is masculine should be considered a blessing, cause now adays people have left from their roots and are fucking pussies. I am a strong, independent women and I didn't date men because none of them could take care of themselves, for a man to be built or skinnier is a good thing. Would you rather all men be fat, obese unhealthy fucks? Understandably they don't need to be super ripped, but
you don't go around in the wild seeing scawny, sickly looking lions dominating the pack, do you? Thats because the root of us, being originally from the earth just like every other animal the instinct was for men to be dominant and tough, the "Body" you are talking about is a sign of a dominant, healthy man. Being overly ripped via steroids is ridiculous, but the over compensation for the pathetic men we have now aday sis understandable. If I were attacked, I want to know my
@xxsmilingkittenxx I think you missed the whole point of the video as I did in the beginning. The whole point of the video is men take the role of masculinity beyond what it really is because of the portrayal of it in movies, media, and social circles. They tend to emulate what they saw when they were younger being surrounded by other males and TV. I know plenty of guys who walk around bullying other people and being tough guys. This is the image they grew up seeing media wise and socially.
@mrtrollmaster1 great insight. I think it's so true that the media is most effective towards children. we adults don't take the media seriously being unrealistic but for the children they see our ignorance and accept what's in the media to be the true world. However that's not necessarily the image just seeing media, it could be image influence by parents as well as parents encourage little boys to be more energetic and little girls to be quiet. so this cycle continues when kids become adults...
@xxsmilingkittenxx they were showing the (bullshit) statistics of battered and raped woman to show how masculinity has been taken over board by males. it wasn't shown to dawn a cloud of negativity towards the male sex. Men who usually beat woman have this image of being a man as a very dominating don't ask questions just do as i day say kinda masculinity. Hence the reason for this video. To show that being masculine doesn't mean going around being violent.
lol That wizard of oz metaphor is terribly wrong. Look up Joseph Campbell's book, "The Hero with a Thosand Faces" which talks about the heros journey. That is what Wizard of Oz is about and Oz himself is the concept of God and how he is a man made concept in society. It talks about why myth was created to help free us from the lies of society. foolish metaphor
lol That wizard of oz metaphor is terribly wrong. Look up Joseph Campbell's book, "The Hero with a Thosand Faces" which talks about the heros journey. That is what Wizard of Oz is about and Oz himself is the concept of God and how he is a man made concept in society and how myth was created to help free us from the lies os society. foolish metaphor
The answer is simple - the 'tough guise' is presented and glorified as being the standard, the norm, the celebrated. Men are conditioned to want to BE the 'tough guise', women are conditioned to want to be WITH the 'tough guise'.
Exactly. This type of tough guy conditioning rules the lives of millions, if not billions of people. If you haven't seen it, there's a funny movie that makes fun of how ridiculously stupid conditioning like this is, called Idiocracy.
everyone who thinks sexism goes both way are soooo wrong. Lets think with open minds, people who make the rules, laws, and have power are all men, to show everyone in the mainstream media that men are strong is to train men to grow up to maintain power like always.women on the other hand are expected to be weak and beaten therefore, they are trying to maintain women weak w/ no power.how can people say its both ways where men benefit and women do not..its not the same and the end result shows it!
Self control, intelligence and dignity are more attractive than being able to punch someone. I will admit that there is the natural feeling of safeness being with a boyfriend or whatever, merely because they're bigger than you and i guess in an evolutionary means able to protect you - but do not mistake this for wanting muscles, or cockiness. Being male with a good personality - whatever shape, size, wealth or brutishness - is enough.
@Oohyoutouchmytalala You are just speaking anecdotally. The vast majority of women despise introspective or intelligent males as 'wimps' and 'losers'. What you are witnessing here is a revolution in men's studies. Many men now know western women for what they really are - vicious, bigoted scum. We're going to permanently change how western women are thought of. Believe it!
@RookhKshatriya MASSIVE generalisation. I was told when i was younger 'men dont like smart women' does that make it always true? No.
Yes, some women are spoilt or shallow, the majority are not. Don't blame your own lack of success with women on your 'intelligence'; frankly, you come across as a misogynistic, ignorant, arrogant arsehole and THAT is why women do not adore you. You think WE should be discriminated against even more because you apparently have met every woman in the world? Idiot.
@Oohyoutouchmytalala I am a serious MRA, you are mistaking me for someone in the Game community. Western women dislike me, I dislike them and that is best for both parties. The real issue here is the one you refuse to address: female bigotry informally approving thuggish male behaviour.
@IamYou86 The vast majority of women, especially young women, are intolerant, bigoted and homophobic. You are a moron because you just take your solitary opinion as representative, when a glance around modern society clearly shows the vast majority of women are sexist, homophobic bigots. Black and lower-class girls are especially toxic. Do you know any?
@RookhKshatriya Lol wow....that didn't sound racist.......LOL. I don't know who hurt you or how badly but whatever happened was enough to cause you to react with such vileness. I know many black girls and they all go to COLLEGE and are not any of those things you say in the slightest. If I am a moron then you are a racist, bigoted piece of shit.
@mynameisjulietECKS Look, if women want genuine equality they need to start standing up and accepting responsibility for their behaviour and opinions. At the present time they have rights but are not held to adult levels of accountability. If you can't see that many, many women are bigots you've got your head up your ass.
@RookhKshatriya Oh yeah, I can see that. Don't get me wrong, I'm not speaking for women as a whole (that's rediculuos) because, ya, you're right, many are bigots. MANY not ALL. So in the way that I don't use one opinion for the whole female population, neither should you :) that's all I was meaning.
@RookhKshatriya "Bigot - One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ" Do i sense some hypocrisy in your statements? So according to you, all women are 'bigots' but you yourself are fine to hate everything with a vagina?
Behaviour and opinions? So because you have a penis, you should be told off for leading the nazis cos hitler did? be more specific. Yes, many women CAN be bigots. But SO CAN MEN.
Agreed, but while male bigotry and violence is criticized all the time in videos like this one, female bigotry is ignored or even condoned. The devil is in the context. If women want to be treated as equals they need to start taking responsibility for their actions and thoughts. Like, this guy Katz just talks about men's bigotry and puts all women on pedestals they don't deserve.
@RookhKshatriya Actually you appear Gynophobic, you obviously have a terrifying image of women. How does society show that exactly? So men are the ones getting sexually harassed, paid less for the same work, constantly thought of as less worthy by others, not respected, told all they are apparently good for is a fuck and a sandwich? OHWAITLOL
This is a generalisation, but i have seen and experienced this for women & never seen it the other way around, although i accept it probably can happen.
@RookhKshatriya quit the contrary for me. I hate boys who try and act "tough"..Violence in a man is a complete turn off. i think sensitive guys and intellectual guys are a relief and way more sexy than a guy who tries to be something he obviously is not...
Boys are bombarded by a violent view of masculinity. However, this only forms the first punch in a "double wammy" that boys recieve. The other punch is delivered by feminists. Boys are taught that masculinity is totaly violent. They are then put to shame by the feminists, who then beat them over the head with guilt. The result is a ruined wreck of a man, who does not know who he is. It is a true tragedy.
Masculinity is an inner strength of character, it does not come from his biceps.
@VicGeorge2K6 I'm not a Christian but I agree. Jesus Christ is a fine example of a man. If only masculinity were perpetually modeled after such positive figures.
@TheFirstGreenIsGold It never will be, because Jesus was humble and considerate and women by instinct prefer sociopathic thugs. There is no reason for males to be 'nice guys' in such a climate - it just leads to sexual disenfranchisement and genetic extinction. Women just laugh at humble 'nice guys' as 'wimps' and 'losers'.
@ToxicOdiousOne You really are a homophobe aren't you? As if men have absolutely nothing to do with the raising of their children, you blame women instead just like Adam.
But women aren't at the forefront of change at all - the vast majority of women are ATTRACTED to sadistic, violent, swaggering males! They return to males who beat them up again and again! Also, women despise the sensitive, intellectual type of male. This video makes good points, but is completely dishonest on this issue!
@RookhKshatriya The vast majority of American women have never been physically-abused in any way at all, ever. Statistics show that girls are safest when living with their biological father, and adult women are safest when living with their husband in a marriage.
Don't let TV crime dramas that repeatedly use violations of social taboos for dramatic purposes sway you.
@feministsAreCorrupt I don't know but I am curious. I'd like to see the statistics for your claim that, "a vast majority of American women have never been physically-abused in any way at all, ever...."
Because the graph only shows percentages of crime as broken down *only* by sex, it does not say anything about the absolute level of crime.
Also, notice that Child Abuse was not included while Child Sexual Abuse was listed as column five.
99.8% people in prison convicted of rape distorts FBI figures that 91% of rapes are committed by men. Infancide, of course, is excluded as the majority of new borns are killed by women.
@feministsAreCorrupt Most rapes ARE committed by men. You can't possibly mess up that stat. Infancide is a problem in Asian countries where baby girls are seen as disposible and not necessary and now that there are millions more boys then girls in China, they are finally going to allow parents to have more children so females will not have elective abortions. You can spout off a lot of stats but it doesn't explain away the problems in the world.
@funkybruiser I'm criticizing the Feminist's presentation of the Evil Male by his selective choice of crime statistics.
Your Western ideals of women do not fit the economic realities of other countries. They find men to be a more efficient work being. Is that a surprise? In a country of a Billion, a million is no big deal. It's a female fantasy : more male choices to be picky about.
What is the difference between an elective abortion based on sex or one based on Western convenience?
@feministsAreCorrupt He is not presenting males as evil. He is pointing out statistics that show valid social and interpersonal relationship problems with males and giving advice on how males can free themselves from the shackles of perpetual bravado and become better human beings. Millions more men in a country with a lot less women -no that is a problem. You can read about the issue with the Chinese males vs. female population on-line. It has nothing to do with work ethic or fantasies.
@funkybruiser Have you considered that male values of competition and aggression are also the force behind invention, industry and art/literature/music ?
"Millions more men in a country with a lot less women -no that is a problem."
China has a mild abundance of more effective male workers. Women are able to choose from more men. The sex balance has optimized itself to the socioeconomic conditions which require economic output but not more child-bearing capability.
@funkybruiser When you're thinking about manual labor, keep in mind that the median adult woman have the same height, weight and strength as the median twelve year-old boy.
Don't believe these statistics. Female domestic violence against children and men is largely unreported. Most studies indicate that women are equally violent against men, so don't believe the 95% at 6:46. Women also commit the majority of child abuse and infantcide, excluding abortion.
I don't know why this fellow excuses women in murder. The statistics are most likely gleaned from Feminist activist sources.
@feministsAreCorrupt I'm sorry but your stats are wrong. Men and women are engaged in child abuse almost equally. Abortion is not child abuse. I'm not sure where you got that. You seem to focus solely on blaming women for all the problems of society. Why is that? building houses, roads, etc. Is not 'social' productivity. If that's how you measure it you can say women are more socially productive coz they are the ones physically giving birth.
Men like to watch action movies with heros performing superhuman feats. Women enjoy living in rich castles. Fantasy is indeed a distortion of reality, but that is why we pay to watch it.
From the single-words clipped from the interviews, the traditional male values of invention and industry not included excluded. More middle class men should have been interviewed to avoid describing masculinity only in words of the blue collar man.
THIS. This links in completely with the way women are treated with advertising. Both genders are treated in a completely unhealthy, unequel manner, promoting god knows what within us, and it's a relief to think that i'm not just being over empathetic. In the same way we are told we are sexual objects, men seem to be told not only this but that violence, agression, and power are everything, and to treat us in a terrible manner.
I envy the days when boys could get away with having hair plaited.
Fuck the media. The media doesn't dictate what I should or shouldn't think. It's the other way around. Hollywood didn't produce Easy Rider to influence hippies, it was to CATER to them, because of the consciousness of the time. Please don't insult my intelligence. I'm not a mindless "sheep," if you want to be one, then go ahead.
Men are naturally dominant in nature because that is/was how you got the best mates. Lots of animals compete violently for success have you ever seen 2 bucks fight it out with their horns?
The unnatural thing to do would be to tell boys they shouldn't be violent and competetive that is like telling a homosexual he should be straight it is something boys are born with and trying to supress it isn't good.
Ohh comeone men are portrayed as tough guys in the media because it is entertaining. Incase you haven't noticed warner bros. mgm 20th century fox dont care about feminist issues or about what they portray and IT IS NOT THEIR JOB TOO. The job they have is to entertain and lets face it if the terminator was a movie about a guy who sits down and talks out the differences between machines and humans it wouldn't be very entertaining.
There are a lot of comments discussing how men aren't really like that in society... if you would just read the title of the documentary, it's about the FRONT that men put on in order to fit the "ideal" masculinity.
Feminist propaganda & the worst kind is when it tells a half truth,oh more blaming masculinity & labeling men rapist wifebeaters along with pediphiles,you know its true. We have a crisis,only because this society caters to girls & see's boys as disposable,as for domestic violents statistics show that dv is 50-50 in relationships there. Are battered men,but they get none of the help women do!
The media does cause some reinforcement, but unfortunately, the need to be whatever a culture considers masculine goes back to survival instincts. In the hunter-gatherer ages, men had to be strong to protect their tribe and to able to hunt, kill and provide. It also was required in order to find a mate. These instincts and values, however, are not appropriate or suiting for a modern society, but unfortunately, it has still been instilled in males, including myself despite my views on masculinity
This doc only focuses on masculinity in the blue collar uneducated social circles of mostly inner city minority neighborhoods. Look at the slew of males they chose for soundbytes. They're all lower class idiot animals. Of course there's gonna be a more violent & aggressive stereotypical male role models like boxers or a criminals to idolize. This doesn't touch on what males' lives are like in the white middle or upper class. It's not anything like this idiocy. They're capable of achieving more.
Funny, Jackson “the Jew” Katz fails to mention the level of Jewish control in the media. They've been working tirelessly for years to feminize white men, 'thug out' black men and turn women into feminist monsters.... socially engineering the destruction of any cohesive family unit.
it's not sexist..this is how men are portrayed in the media..women are portrayed as sex objects. the media is just messed up because women in advertising are shown to be weak and it even shows violence being sexy on women. so it goes both ways..not sexist.
@CaityLady17 that is the definition of sexist. sexism goes both ways. homophobia is sexist to both men an women, and our culture is in essence, homophobic
@degeneratehalo homophobia only exists in a negative light because of religion. If there was no religion being gay wouldn't be a problem. It would be like oh yeah he likes guys no big deal.
@mrtrollmaster1 lol, it use to be Plato's time gay are okay... because of later religion reject gay, gay turns to work in religion, lol, the nowaday rejection to gay is an enactment to "preserve culture", but what culture are they preserving?
@mrtrollmaster1 in my history class we learned that it was quite common for the spartans and greeks to be homosexual and it was perfectly normal, accepted as most people were
@CaityLady17 So men being portayed badly is not sexist but with women it is?......now i know why the mens movement is expanding at an increasing rate.
@CaityLady17 Exactly, that is sexist. Portraying and stereotyping men AND women in different ways according to their gender. Like others before me have said, sexism targets both men and women - not just women alone.
@CaityLady17 Not only are women being portrayed as sex objects but they are also beginning to be portrayed as a feminist type of women kind of like Sex and the City. I'm not against women's rights but going the somewhat feminist route is pretty negative to me.
Ohhh don't make the mistake of assuming that the female characters in Sex and the City are good representations of contemporary feminist thought. Despite the strides the show made in encouraging frank discussion of female (ahem white, uppermiddleclass, heteronormative) sexuality, it has come under a lot of feminist criticism.
@WMUnited What's the basis for your claim? It's not sexism if the facts point at a trend that's statistically proven. If anything, it's attempting to eliminate sexism by pointing out a factually proven inequality and demanding it be eliminated such that one sex becomes aligned with the opposite sex. That's equality, not disparity.
@yamamoto114 I understand its all a bit trumped up, like how some ignorant people believe being homosexual is wrong or unmanly, but let's face it, some of us fellows like the action, sex, and all around bad ass persona of some films, games, books, etc. I'm not saying it's all well and good, but you can't say its all evil and bad as well.
My brother is a tough guise, he's a jack ass. He pollutes our family with negativity and fronts and my relationship with my family gets worse and theirs gets worse with each other. It pollutes everything, it's deullisons imposed on our reality, insecurity with a front. I can't even take him seriously anymore, i rather kick his ass than talk to him about it but I have nothing to prove.
It's all madness, it's all a front. I have nothing to prove to my brother, he's just a ass!
This is an excellent example of hyper-masculinity; this internalized need for men to prove their masculinity to others and shows they are not "the other."
What about the feminine? i think the constant emasculation of men in general in the media & the elevation of women above everything isnt helping matters.
@YerJob That's what happens when you let women as stupid as the men that once oppressed them enter the media.
What I mean is that women feel they have some "vengeance" to exact on men, enforced by the radical feminist movement. As a feminist myself, I can tell you, TRUE feminism is dead, it only had purpose back in the days and has nothing to do in Western society anymore.
Feminism today is about turning women against men and, as you point out, it succeeded.
And the claim that men are responsible for 95% of child sexual abuse is a blatant lie. Most of the victims of female sexual abuse are males, so they have a stigma to overcome, and most of them are taught to believe that they cannot experience such things at all, which is why you almost never hear of female-on-male rape. Women constitute 51% of sexual abusers.
And one thing Katz completely ignores is that these deeds are committed by less than 1% of men, hence masculinity is not to blame.
@loqutor I read all your comments and you make good points.
Still I think there is something you miss: it's not about being a wimp, it's about being violent so as to show masculinity. As you said yourself, violence is not a masculine virtue, it's universal.
Equating being violent with being masculine is a misconception that fosters male violence and silences the female violence problem. Hence the stigma of male victims of assault from women.
@alrune8 I'm actually aware of that point, and since you bring it up, I'll address it. Men need to be prepared to use violence to defend themselves and others. Bellicosity may be a vice, but that doesn't mean that cowardice is a virtue. I also think that modern feminism is indirectly to blame, with its forbidding men to show any sort of masculinity during the 90s. Men felt deprived, so they rebelled by turning to violence, hence movies and books like "Fight Club".
@loqutor That's a fact. But what is cowardice exactly? Refusing to start a fight? Not resorting to violence when it's not needed? To me that's not cowardice, that's common sense.
But you're right. 3rd wave feminism is one of the reasons for this since it teaches women that a respectable woman is a woman who doesn't like men. Men don't understand are extremely frustrated that women no longer love them so they compensate by letting out their anger in a more destructive way.
"95% of serious DV is perpetrated by men". Actually, if you look at the more serious forms of DV (biting, kicking, scratching, hitting with an object, threatening to use a weapon, and using a weapon), women are the vast majority of perpetrators. DV is not a gender issue, as it happens to men and women in roughly equal numbers (hence the "1 in 4 men" claim is meaningless). The idea that patriarchal ideas cause DV is false, since the rate of DV is highest amongst lesbians. (cont.)
Since when were being tough or demanding respect such bad things? Men need to be able to protect their wives and children.
There are lots of animals who judge one another by their strength and rule through violence. Are they being influenced by the patriarchal media.
Also, that information about battered women is false. The best future indicator of whether or not a woman will be abused is if she herself is violent; self defense accounts for only 10-20% of female violence. (cont.)
Thanks for posting the video!!! This helps out a bunch hence I'll be missing the rest of this on Friday in English and really appreciate you posting this!!!
"Violence isn't so much a deviation, as it is an accepted part of masculinity."
That is the biggest load of misleading, one-sided sack of lies that I've ever heard.
I'm a straight male, fairly scrawny, and definitely not buff. I've never even punched another guy out of anger or rage.
Do I not consider myself a man?
many people try to blame the world for their "shortcomings" or "differences" or what have you, but they never look at themselves. No one else made me into the man I am today
"Violence isn't so much a deviation, as it is an accepted part of masculinity."
That is the biggest load of misleading, one-sided sack of lies that I've ever heard.
I'm a straight male, fairly scrawny, and definitely not buff. I've never even punched another guy out of anger or rage.
Do I not consider myself a man?
many people try to blame the world for their "shortcomings" or "differences" or what have you, but they never look at themselves. No one else made me into the man I am today
"Violence isn't so much a deviation, as it is an accepted part of masculinity."
That is the biggest load of misleading, one-sided sack of lies that I've ever heard.
I'm a straight male, fairly scrawny, and definitely not buff. I've never even punched another guy out of anger or rage.
Do I not consider myself a man?
many people try to blame the world for their "shortcomings" or "differences" or what have you, but they never look at themselves. No one else made me into the man I am today
I'm really quite annoyed with sociologists etc etc generalizing all walks of life.
Not all men are the same! Your thoughts toward life depend on your upbringing, and not all places are bad. For example, I was raised in an extremely traditional, conservative Christian family. My mom was a house-mom, and my father worked in construction. Yet even with their traditional views, I have been raised with completely contradictory opinions of the "men" in this video.
Of course not all men are exposed to the same experiences, Joshua. Nor do sociologists contend that they are.
They are describing the dominant culture's perception of masculinity, which is clearly illustrated in much of Western media-through television, movies, advertisement, video games, etc.
Media can be an accurate mirror into our culture.
As a bisexual male I am pissed that they imply masculinity as being a solely heterosexual thing...
But still. Lets be honest. This is propaganda compiled by sociologists and nurture centric psychologists. At some point in this film the narrator states that there are no genetics behind masculine behavior. REALLY? Lets go look at some genes and look at the diversity in gene expression of hormone receptors, production, enzymes ect because there is so much biology that goes into this...
"I am pissed that they imply masculinity as being a solely heterosexual thing"
They are not suggesting masculinity should be ONLY a heterosexual phenomenon. He is suggesting that AUTHENTIC masculine identity is being distorted, because we live in a culture that strongly promotes a singular, narrow construct of masculinity. That is what describes as the "Tough Guise." Some sociologists call it hyper-masculinity.
We're raising our young boys to be warriors, that's why they need to be 'tough'. Our military depends on this image to survive. Our prison system depends on the high crime rate from violence that results in these propagated images. Our economy depends on sex and violence. So who wants to stop it?
Studies show that women often instigate partner violence.~Dr.Helen Smith-Psychologist.
Despite their assumptions that men were the abusers,every domestic violence survey of both sexes over 30 years in the United States,Canada,England,New Zealand and Australia found one of two things: Women and men batter each other about equally,or women batter men more ~Dr. Warren Farrell
More Proof? GOOGLE: Dr. Martin S. Fiebert, Dr.Murray Strauss, Media Radar, Fatherlessness in Canada {worldwide research}
@corbyworld5 That's the point. Parading violence as a "men's thing" completely twists the perception of violence as a whole and people can't imagine that women are just as violent as men. And I mean PHYSICALLY violent.
It's just women are thought to be weak and ineffectual. Hence people see women as a non-threat when many of them are anything but. Violent female criminals are not as numerous mostly because it's much easier for them to get away with their actions...
this is interesting and all. but don't praise me for being violent when im doing my job like being a soldier in iraq or working as a corrections officer in a prison and then yet bash me for being violent its's confusing and I as a man am easily confused. Most men today have no balls anyways.
Good question. This isn't about you doing your job although parts of your job maybe affected. Its more about taking out your violence on your partner, your children and about having bigger expectations about "masculinity" that what we should as men.
Why does masculinity always have to be defined as being opposed to femininity, instead of complimenting it? The masculine role is not to batter a woman, it is not a male virtue!
besides, uberschnack is right, violence is a pan-human phenominon, not a deviance. The real responsibility of parents for their male offspring when fostering masculine growth is to ensure that aggression is directed properly. It is the dominance of the self that is the highest struggle and measure of a man.
@RogerwilcoFoxtrot That's because so many people are obsessed with domination and it's all about control.Since total control is the epitome of masculinity according to the media, there is no such thing as cooperation or complementarity. It's more "I command, you obey".
Today, women are taught that accepting men in their lives is a surrender. Women can't afford to be weak, so they scorn men. Men don't understand why women love them no more, so they get frustrated and angry, hence more violent.
Within the debate of sociology and psychology, social scientists argue that within Western culture, traditional feminine behaviors are frequently seen as a threat to masculinity. You see this among male teenagers, who enact certain rituals to prove to their friends that they are the "faggot."
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Tough Guise provides no MODERATE PORTRAYAL of real life men.
This would have been so much more edifying if it was a structured discussion rather than a monologue by a Liberal pussy who was beat up when he was in school.
Honestly, the same points could have been made and not portrayed as COMMON.
Acts of Violence usually comes from actual defense of the individual self. Irrational and criminal violence comes from attacking the individual TO GET GAIN instead of defending Preserving them..
stop bitching about "our" culture as if images of masculinity are unique in our society. they're not. they're prevalent throughout the world and throughout history.
violence isn't a deviation... read some fucking history
The stuff about women getting abused should have been saved for a later part of the video.
Just start off with the guns and big chests, then go to violence between men, then men going to jail, then violence against women, and after that the conclusion.
Fuck yeah. I feel like shooting some Arabs with a rifle in one hand and eating a raw steak in the other while smoking a big-ass cigar while wearing an American flag while listening to Iron Maiden. I'M A REAL MAN.
It's a fallacy to claim that being tough leads to violence and certainly the answer does not lie in encouraging your friends to be softer and weaker men. No one is going to think you're a real man for beating up a woman so the claim that manhood leads to the battering of women is moot.
@RayneRockstar When you're a man, there's a code. It's much like playing hockey, which by itself is the epitome of manhood. Picking on people smaller than you does not make you a man but a coward. Same goes for picking on people who don't want to fight. If your tensions flair with another guy who wants to go, then drop the gloves and do your best. You don't need to win the fight but if you put up a good fight, then you my friend are a man.
It'd be nice if more people thought as...honourably as you. However most of the time disrespecting and hurting others is the only way to be respected and admired and too many young men fall into this vicious circle either as victims of violence or as victims of the system, cause as good the abusive do in sheltered enviroments the first time their boss pulls a "You're fired Tom, you're a looser" and they cannot fix it with insults and violence, they realize they've wasted their life.
I don' t think that the only way to be respected is to be respected and admired is to perpetuate senseless acts of violence because it supposes that men are bad-natured and bereft of values which I don't think is true.
I don't say it's right, but it's true. The fact that we wish the world to be a better place doesn't negate the fact that kids in highschool keep hurting each other for reputation and that the media encores to that.
I think the big picture reveals that in a world that's gravitating towards sensitivity boys are growing up softer and weaker because their upbringing does not occur in competitive environments where virtues, pride and honour are born. I never would've been the man I am today if my father hadn't taught me to stand up and fight for myself and stand as equals with someone who intends to do me harm.
I think there is a difference in standing up for oneself and others who might not be able to and acting out in violent ways towards women, children or other men strictly for the purpose of showing how tough I am. Its complicated I understand. Men don't have to be like women to be better. Its about the "hypermasculinity". The excessive act of pretending toughness when in reality many men are also victims and have suffered abuse and violence.
i just watched this in class. shit was crazy.
IET135 11 months ago
Thanks for posting this video! I needed to rewatch it to write a paper. I really appreciate you posting this. Helped out alot.
rhythm2295 11 months ago
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I love beating up on women.
VirtualWrestling 11 months ago
What about the 10 strong girl gang that encouraged Sabrina Barber as she sadistically attacked Naomi morrison for 90 minutes!!! When guys fight its over when one guy is down. The poor girl had her face stamped on, burned with cigarettes, eye-liner poured into her eyes, kicked in the crotch & abdomen to prevent her having kids. When people passed by she pretended to be looking after her affectionately, and then strangled her. 90 minutes of non-stop beating.
Jeorney 1 year ago
Maybe men should all be girly, skinny and act gay? That's what the gays would like isn't it. Not happening. This video sucks.
1Thompsonmusic 1 year ago
@1Thompsonmusic You're missing the point.
slaintemhath83 1 year ago
@1Thompsonmusic it's pretty sad to hear you say that, that you could be missing the point that much.
ytfarmer90 11 months ago
The problem is that by far the most women are drawn to tough guys, which encourages men to behave that way. Heck, nice guys have a much harder time to get laid just because they are nice. Go figure.
MomoTheBellyDancer 1 year ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer Your damn right. Also never tell a woman you're a nice guy it will make women run away from you. Women like men who are in control of them and men who don't put up with bullshit. You think a woman would like you if you were nice to them.
halitosis321 1 year ago
@halitosis321
They do.. The women that count. The issue is that when a man is being nice it normally screams that they are a slag. Its confidence women like. If your nice and confidant know how to have a laugh then youll be fine
vampspikess 1 year ago
this is not masculinity...it is aggression..male violence...there is a difference
jetsonjoe 1 year ago
ahhh never mind...i was being bullheaded (face palm) hahaha. I understand now. This is a great video. I tend to do that at times, I just miss the whole point without listening. I have to work on that. Males do tend to take this whole masculinity thing over board and be really violent to show off how manly they are. I understand now the purpose of this video. Great video.
mrtrollmaster1 1 year ago
what is this shit? Masculinity is always put with beating women. Feminist bullshit. This is more machismo if anything. What a retarded fucking video.
mrtrollmaster1 1 year ago
You should have been a feminist, sir. First off, its very proven that most of the time men will not report women who are violent towards them, and women who commit these crimes usually get off because people make fucking excuses like "Oh she was pregnant" "Oh her period" "Oh hormones." Being a woman I commonly was more apt to get into fights than most men, I was more apt to jump into fights and other women didn't care who they hurt, and men commonly cared more than women did, they were less apt
xxsmilingkittenxx 1 year ago 2
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to hit women, and picked who they screwed with differently then other people. A man who is masculine should be considered a blessing, cause now adays people have left from their roots and are fucking pussies. I am a strong, independent women and I didn't date men because none of them could take care of themselves, for a man to be built or skinnier is a good thing. Would you rather all men be fat, obese unhealthy fucks? Understandably they don't need to be super ripped, but
xxsmilingkittenxx 1 year ago
@xxsmilingkittenxx
you don't go around in the wild seeing scawny, sickly looking lions dominating the pack, do you? Thats because the root of us, being originally from the earth just like every other animal the instinct was for men to be dominant and tough, the "Body" you are talking about is a sign of a dominant, healthy man. Being overly ripped via steroids is ridiculous, but the over compensation for the pathetic men we have now aday sis understandable. If I were attacked, I want to know my
xxsmilingkittenxx 1 year ago 2
@xxsmilingkittenxx I think you missed the whole point of the video as I did in the beginning. The whole point of the video is men take the role of masculinity beyond what it really is because of the portrayal of it in movies, media, and social circles. They tend to emulate what they saw when they were younger being surrounded by other males and TV. I know plenty of guys who walk around bullying other people and being tough guys. This is the image they grew up seeing media wise and socially.
mrtrollmaster1 1 year ago
@mrtrollmaster1 great insight. I think it's so true that the media is most effective towards children. we adults don't take the media seriously being unrealistic but for the children they see our ignorance and accept what's in the media to be the true world. However that's not necessarily the image just seeing media, it could be image influence by parents as well as parents encourage little boys to be more energetic and little girls to be quiet. so this cycle continues when kids become adults...
ybyxk 1 year ago
@xxsmilingkittenxx
man can defend me. The end.
xxsmilingkittenxx 1 year ago 2
@xxsmilingkittenxx Yet you aren't capable of defending yourself.
Well played.
Neofcon 1 year ago
@xxsmilingkittenxx they were showing the (bullshit) statistics of battered and raped woman to show how masculinity has been taken over board by males. it wasn't shown to dawn a cloud of negativity towards the male sex. Men who usually beat woman have this image of being a man as a very dominating don't ask questions just do as i day say kinda masculinity. Hence the reason for this video. To show that being masculine doesn't mean going around being violent.
mrtrollmaster1 1 year ago
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lol That wizard of oz metaphor is terribly wrong. Look up Joseph Campbell's book, "The Hero with a Thosand Faces" which talks about the heros journey. That is what Wizard of Oz is about and Oz himself is the concept of God and how he is a man made concept in society. It talks about why myth was created to help free us from the lies of society. foolish metaphor
Stoicone111 1 year ago
lol That wizard of oz metaphor is terribly wrong. Look up Joseph Campbell's book, "The Hero with a Thosand Faces" which talks about the heros journey. That is what Wizard of Oz is about and Oz himself is the concept of God and how he is a man made concept in society and how myth was created to help free us from the lies os society. foolish metaphor
Stoicone111 1 year ago
@zzzzzzozz
The answer is simple - the 'tough guise' is presented and glorified as being the standard, the norm, the celebrated. Men are conditioned to want to BE the 'tough guise', women are conditioned to want to be WITH the 'tough guise'.
sillybb5354 1 year ago 4
@sillybb5354
Exactly. This type of tough guy conditioning rules the lives of millions, if not billions of people. If you haven't seen it, there's a funny movie that makes fun of how ridiculously stupid conditioning like this is, called Idiocracy.
TheCultivatedMind 1 year ago
everyone who thinks sexism goes both way are soooo wrong. Lets think with open minds, people who make the rules, laws, and have power are all men, to show everyone in the mainstream media that men are strong is to train men to grow up to maintain power like always.women on the other hand are expected to be weak and beaten therefore, they are trying to maintain women weak w/ no power.how can people say its both ways where men benefit and women do not..its not the same and the end result shows it!
bestshow11 1 year ago
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Homosexuals should be killed.
agents1986 1 year ago
Self control, intelligence and dignity are more attractive than being able to punch someone. I will admit that there is the natural feeling of safeness being with a boyfriend or whatever, merely because they're bigger than you and i guess in an evolutionary means able to protect you - but do not mistake this for wanting muscles, or cockiness. Being male with a good personality - whatever shape, size, wealth or brutishness - is enough.
Oohyoutouchmytalala 1 year ago
@Oohyoutouchmytalala You are just speaking anecdotally. The vast majority of women despise introspective or intelligent males as 'wimps' and 'losers'. What you are witnessing here is a revolution in men's studies. Many men now know western women for what they really are - vicious, bigoted scum. We're going to permanently change how western women are thought of. Believe it!
RookhKshatriya 1 year ago 2
@RookhKshatriya MASSIVE generalisation. I was told when i was younger 'men dont like smart women' does that make it always true? No.
Yes, some women are spoilt or shallow, the majority are not. Don't blame your own lack of success with women on your 'intelligence'; frankly, you come across as a misogynistic, ignorant, arrogant arsehole and THAT is why women do not adore you. You think WE should be discriminated against even more because you apparently have met every woman in the world? Idiot.
Oohyoutouchmytalala 1 year ago
@Oohyoutouchmytalala I am a serious MRA, you are mistaking me for someone in the Game community. Western women dislike me, I dislike them and that is best for both parties. The real issue here is the one you refuse to address: female bigotry informally approving thuggish male behaviour.
RookhKshatriya 1 year ago
clearly this guy never got bullied on the playground or was in danger
Curbinator 1 year ago 2
Women aren't at the forefront of change at all, they find violent thugs attractive and despise intellectual or introspective males.
RookhKshatriya 1 year ago
@RookhKshatriya no, I think you're wrong.
elevatremusiq 1 year ago
@RookhKshatriya Please do not speak for every single woman on the planet. It makes you look less than intelligent.
IamYou86 1 year ago
@IamYou86 The vast majority of women, especially young women, are intolerant, bigoted and homophobic. You are a moron because you just take your solitary opinion as representative, when a glance around modern society clearly shows the vast majority of women are sexist, homophobic bigots. Black and lower-class girls are especially toxic. Do you know any?
RookhKshatriya 1 year ago
@RookhKshatriya Lol wow....that didn't sound racist.......LOL. I don't know who hurt you or how badly but whatever happened was enough to cause you to react with such vileness. I know many black girls and they all go to COLLEGE and are not any of those things you say in the slightest. If I am a moron then you are a racist, bigoted piece of shit.
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Neofcon 1 year ago
@RookhKshatriya I feel so sorry for you D=
mynameisjulietECKS 1 year ago
@mynameisjulietECKS Look, if women want genuine equality they need to start standing up and accepting responsibility for their behaviour and opinions. At the present time they have rights but are not held to adult levels of accountability. If you can't see that many, many women are bigots you've got your head up your ass.
RookhKshatriya 1 year ago
@RookhKshatriya Oh yeah, I can see that. Don't get me wrong, I'm not speaking for women as a whole (that's rediculuos) because, ya, you're right, many are bigots. MANY not ALL. So in the way that I don't use one opinion for the whole female population, neither should you :) that's all I was meaning.
mynameisjulietECKS 1 year ago
@RookhKshatriya "Bigot - One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ" Do i sense some hypocrisy in your statements? So according to you, all women are 'bigots' but you yourself are fine to hate everything with a vagina?
Behaviour and opinions? So because you have a penis, you should be told off for leading the nazis cos hitler did? be more specific. Yes, many women CAN be bigots. But SO CAN MEN.
Oohyoutouchmytalala 1 year ago
@Oohyoutouchmytalala
*Yes, many women CAN be bigots. But SO CAN MEN.*
Agreed, but while male bigotry and violence is criticized all the time in videos like this one, female bigotry is ignored or even condoned. The devil is in the context. If women want to be treated as equals they need to start taking responsibility for their actions and thoughts. Like, this guy Katz just talks about men's bigotry and puts all women on pedestals they don't deserve.
RookhKshatriya 1 year ago
@RookhKshatriya Actually you appear Gynophobic, you obviously have a terrifying image of women. How does society show that exactly? So men are the ones getting sexually harassed, paid less for the same work, constantly thought of as less worthy by others, not respected, told all they are apparently good for is a fuck and a sandwich? OHWAITLOL
This is a generalisation, but i have seen and experienced this for women & never seen it the other way around, although i accept it probably can happen.
Oohyoutouchmytalala 1 year ago
@RookhKshatriya quit the contrary for me. I hate boys who try and act "tough"..Violence in a man is a complete turn off. i think sensitive guys and intellectual guys are a relief and way more sexy than a guy who tries to be something he obviously is not...
misskristinyoo 1 year ago
@misskristinyoo Just unrepresentative opinion. All women under 30 I have ever met are sexist, racist, homophobic bigots.
RookhKshatriya 1 year ago
@RookhKshatriya then you, my friend, have met some terrible women and I am sorry to hear that. :(
misskristinyoo 1 year ago
Boys are bombarded by a violent view of masculinity. However, this only forms the first punch in a "double wammy" that boys recieve. The other punch is delivered by feminists. Boys are taught that masculinity is totaly violent. They are then put to shame by the feminists, who then beat them over the head with guilt. The result is a ruined wreck of a man, who does not know who he is. It is a true tragedy.
Masculinity is an inner strength of character, it does not come from his biceps.
TheManWhoSpoke 1 year ago
Maybe Jesus Christ should be presented as the ideal of masculinity, even among Christian men who struggle with what it means to be a man.
VicGeorge2K6 1 year ago 3
@VicGeorge2K6 I'm not a Christian but I agree. Jesus Christ is a fine example of a man. If only masculinity were perpetually modeled after such positive figures.
TheFirstGreenIsGold 1 year ago
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@TheFirstGreenIsGold It never will be, because Jesus was humble and considerate and women by instinct prefer sociopathic thugs. There is no reason for males to be 'nice guys' in such a climate - it just leads to sexual disenfranchisement and genetic extinction. Women just laugh at humble 'nice guys' as 'wimps' and 'losers'.
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RookhKshatriya 1 year ago
Feminization of society is the masculinity crisis. Women stealing men's power and emasculing men with "gay rights".
ToxicOdiousOne 1 year ago
What crisis? The masculinity crisis is dykes raising boys to be faggots who are weak, emotional, and feminine.
ToxicOdiousOne 1 year ago
@ToxicOdiousOne You really are a homophobe aren't you? As if men have absolutely nothing to do with the raising of their children, you blame women instead just like Adam.
funkybruiser 1 year ago
But women aren't at the forefront of change at all - the vast majority of women are ATTRACTED to sadistic, violent, swaggering males! They return to males who beat them up again and again! Also, women despise the sensitive, intellectual type of male. This video makes good points, but is completely dishonest on this issue!
RookhKshatriya 1 year ago
@RookhKshatriya The vast majority of American women have never been physically-abused in any way at all, ever. Statistics show that girls are safest when living with their biological father, and adult women are safest when living with their husband in a marriage.
Don't let TV crime dramas that repeatedly use violations of social taboos for dramatic purposes sway you.
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
@feministsAreCorrupt I don't know but I am curious. I'd like to see the statistics for your claim that, "a vast majority of American women have never been physically-abused in any way at all, ever...."
TheFirstGreenIsGold 1 year ago
Because the graph only shows percentages of crime as broken down *only* by sex, it does not say anything about the absolute level of crime.
Also, notice that Child Abuse was not included while Child Sexual Abuse was listed as column five.
99.8% people in prison convicted of rape distorts FBI figures that 91% of rapes are committed by men. Infancide, of course, is excluded as the majority of new borns are killed by women.
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
@feministsAreCorrupt Most rapes ARE committed by men. You can't possibly mess up that stat. Infancide is a problem in Asian countries where baby girls are seen as disposible and not necessary and now that there are millions more boys then girls in China, they are finally going to allow parents to have more children so females will not have elective abortions. You can spout off a lot of stats but it doesn't explain away the problems in the world.
funkybruiser 1 year ago
@funkybruiser I'm criticizing the Feminist's presentation of the Evil Male by his selective choice of crime statistics.
Your Western ideals of women do not fit the economic realities of other countries. They find men to be a more efficient work being. Is that a surprise? In a country of a Billion, a million is no big deal. It's a female fantasy : more male choices to be picky about.
What is the difference between an elective abortion based on sex or one based on Western convenience?
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
@feministsAreCorrupt He is not presenting males as evil. He is pointing out statistics that show valid social and interpersonal relationship problems with males and giving advice on how males can free themselves from the shackles of perpetual bravado and become better human beings. Millions more men in a country with a lot less women -no that is a problem. You can read about the issue with the Chinese males vs. female population on-line. It has nothing to do with work ethic or fantasies.
funkybruiser 1 year ago
@funkybruiser Have you considered that male values of competition and aggression are also the force behind invention, industry and art/literature/music ?
"Millions more men in a country with a lot less women -no that is a problem."
China has a mild abundance of more effective male workers. Women are able to choose from more men. The sex balance has optimized itself to the socioeconomic conditions which require economic output but not more child-bearing capability.
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
@funkybruiser When you're thinking about manual labor, keep in mind that the median adult woman have the same height, weight and strength as the median twelve year-old boy.
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
A better way to measure masculinity is in social productivity as it involves the majority of men. Why focus on the < 10% criminal class ?
100% of houses, building, roads, are built by men
Nearly 100% of patent applications are male
Nearly all significant works of literature, music, art, etc are by men
Nearly all of Fortune 500 companies are run by men
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
Here is how to liw with statistics :
1 in 4 men will commit violence against a partner
The answer is the same for women, but by excluding that parallel, the case is sealed against men.
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
Don't believe these statistics. Female domestic violence against children and men is largely unreported. Most studies indicate that women are equally violent against men, so don't believe the 95% at 6:46. Women also commit the majority of child abuse and infantcide, excluding abortion.
I don't know why this fellow excuses women in murder. The statistics are most likely gleaned from Feminist activist sources.
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
@feministsAreCorrupt I'm sorry but your stats are wrong. Men and women are engaged in child abuse almost equally. Abortion is not child abuse. I'm not sure where you got that. You seem to focus solely on blaming women for all the problems of society. Why is that? building houses, roads, etc. Is not 'social' productivity. If that's how you measure it you can say women are more socially productive coz they are the ones physically giving birth.
funkybruiser 1 year ago
Men like to watch action movies with heros performing superhuman feats. Women enjoy living in rich castles. Fantasy is indeed a distortion of reality, but that is why we pay to watch it.
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
From the single-words clipped from the interviews, the traditional male values of invention and industry not included excluded. More middle class men should have been interviewed to avoid describing masculinity only in words of the blue collar man.
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
THIS. This links in completely with the way women are treated with advertising. Both genders are treated in a completely unhealthy, unequel manner, promoting god knows what within us, and it's a relief to think that i'm not just being over empathetic. In the same way we are told we are sexual objects, men seem to be told not only this but that violence, agression, and power are everything, and to treat us in a terrible manner.
I envy the days when boys could get away with having hair plaited.
Oohyoutouchmytalala 1 year ago
Fuck the media. The media doesn't dictate what I should or shouldn't think. It's the other way around. Hollywood didn't produce Easy Rider to influence hippies, it was to CATER to them, because of the consciousness of the time. Please don't insult my intelligence. I'm not a mindless "sheep," if you want to be one, then go ahead.
MacoutesGabber 1 year ago
But women find thuggish, violent males attractive! Why do liberals and feminists never admit this?
RookhKshatriya 1 year ago
@RookhKshatriya hilariously true! XD that's how messed up our society is.
Huhmasta 1 year ago
don't forget the other side ot the coin, the justice system slants heavily towards women and many men are in prison from lies
111imstupid111 1 year ago
Men are naturally dominant in nature because that is/was how you got the best mates. Lots of animals compete violently for success have you ever seen 2 bucks fight it out with their horns?
The unnatural thing to do would be to tell boys they shouldn't be violent and competetive that is like telling a homosexual he should be straight it is something boys are born with and trying to supress it isn't good.
markinrs 1 year ago 2
Ohh comeone men are portrayed as tough guys in the media because it is entertaining. Incase you haven't noticed warner bros. mgm 20th century fox dont care about feminist issues or about what they portray and IT IS NOT THEIR JOB TOO. The job they have is to entertain and lets face it if the terminator was a movie about a guy who sits down and talks out the differences between machines and humans it wouldn't be very entertaining.
The media isn't making kids brutal nature is.
markinrs 1 year ago
There are a lot of comments discussing how men aren't really like that in society... if you would just read the title of the documentary, it's about the FRONT that men put on in order to fit the "ideal" masculinity.
heidishoshana 1 year ago
I like to kick this guy's ass. This is in our D.N.A .Like it or not
xps1981 1 year ago
People take a look at the date this video was posted.
That's all you need to know about Jackson Katz.
loqutor 1 year ago
Feminist propaganda & the worst kind is when it tells a half truth,oh more blaming masculinity & labeling men rapist wifebeaters along with pediphiles,you know its true. We have a crisis,only because this society caters to girls & see's boys as disposable,as for domestic violents statistics show that dv is 50-50 in relationships there. Are battered men,but they get none of the help women do!
crypter27 1 year ago
FUCKING FAGS.
Apoc897 1 year ago
The media does cause some reinforcement, but unfortunately, the need to be whatever a culture considers masculine goes back to survival instincts. In the hunter-gatherer ages, men had to be strong to protect their tribe and to able to hunt, kill and provide. It also was required in order to find a mate. These instincts and values, however, are not appropriate or suiting for a modern society, but unfortunately, it has still been instilled in males, including myself despite my views on masculinity
reed1the1unique 1 year ago
This doc only focuses on masculinity in the blue collar uneducated social circles of mostly inner city minority neighborhoods. Look at the slew of males they chose for soundbytes. They're all lower class idiot animals. Of course there's gonna be a more violent & aggressive stereotypical male role models like boxers or a criminals to idolize. This doesn't touch on what males' lives are like in the white middle or upper class. It's not anything like this idiocy. They're capable of achieving more.
pewsterbaby 1 year ago
Funny, Jackson “the Jew” Katz fails to mention the level of Jewish control in the media. They've been working tirelessly for years to feminize white men, 'thug out' black men and turn women into feminist monsters.... socially engineering the destruction of any cohesive family unit.
ikqz 1 year ago
@ikqz I completely agree with every word! Thankfully people are starting to see through their bullshit!
Xenda 1 year ago
Seems like this guy just has a beef with action films.
jvidell 1 year ago
I'm really glad you posted this.
dkendgreat 1 year ago
it's not sexist..this is how men are portrayed in the media..women are portrayed as sex objects. the media is just messed up because women in advertising are shown to be weak and it even shows violence being sexy on women. so it goes both ways..not sexist.
CaityLady17 1 year ago 18
@CaityLady17 that is the definition of sexist. sexism goes both ways. homophobia is sexist to both men an women, and our culture is in essence, homophobic
degeneratehalo 1 year ago 19
@degeneratehalo homophobia only exists in a negative light because of religion. If there was no religion being gay wouldn't be a problem. It would be like oh yeah he likes guys no big deal.
mrtrollmaster1 1 year ago
@mrtrollmaster1 lol, it use to be Plato's time gay are okay... because of later religion reject gay, gay turns to work in religion, lol, the nowaday rejection to gay is an enactment to "preserve culture", but what culture are they preserving?
ybyxk 1 year ago
@mrtrollmaster1 in my history class we learned that it was quite common for the spartans and greeks to be homosexual and it was perfectly normal, accepted as most people were
hollistuhhh 1 year ago
@CaityLady17 So men being portayed badly is not sexist but with women it is?......now i know why the mens movement is expanding at an increasing rate.
jimmy27paul 1 year ago
@jimmy27paul As an M.R.A this video offends me,I'm tired of men being demonized by these man hating misandrist!
crypter27 1 year ago
@CaityLady17 Exactly, that is sexist. Portraying and stereotyping men AND women in different ways according to their gender. Like others before me have said, sexism targets both men and women - not just women alone.
vanizorc 1 year ago
@CaityLady17 Not only are women being portrayed as sex objects but they are also beginning to be portrayed as a feminist type of women kind of like Sex and the City. I'm not against women's rights but going the somewhat feminist route is pretty negative to me.
RussX5Z 1 year ago
@RussX5Z
Ohhh don't make the mistake of assuming that the female characters in Sex and the City are good representations of contemporary feminist thought. Despite the strides the show made in encouraging frank discussion of female (ahem white, uppermiddleclass, heteronormative) sexuality, it has come under a lot of feminist criticism.
myfeetlitup 1 year ago
I think this is all bollocks to be honest. This is sexist.
WMUnited 1 year ago
@WMUnited What's the basis for your claim? It's not sexism if the facts point at a trend that's statistically proven. If anything, it's attempting to eliminate sexism by pointing out a factually proven inequality and demanding it be eliminated such that one sex becomes aligned with the opposite sex. That's equality, not disparity.
yamamoto114 1 year ago
@yamamoto114 I understand its all a bit trumped up, like how some ignorant people believe being homosexual is wrong or unmanly, but let's face it, some of us fellows like the action, sex, and all around bad ass persona of some films, games, books, etc. I'm not saying it's all well and good, but you can't say its all evil and bad as well.
WMUnited 1 year ago
@WMUnited
My brother is a tough guise, he's a jack ass. He pollutes our family with negativity and fronts and my relationship with my family gets worse and theirs gets worse with each other. It pollutes everything, it's deullisons imposed on our reality, insecurity with a front. I can't even take him seriously anymore, i rather kick his ass than talk to him about it but I have nothing to prove.
It's all madness, it's all a front. I have nothing to prove to my brother, he's just a ass!
lenerene 1 year ago
@lenerene
It's stupid and fighting isn't the answer and I don't know why he has to fight everyone around him.
lenerene 1 year ago
Hands down - incredible documentary. Conveys the message in a very direct, and unconvoluted fashion. Perfect for teens and young men!
lichiness 1 year ago 2
I'm going to lecture my peers about Hegemonic Masculinity in my Freshman English class this week :D
Aberlambchop 1 year ago
@ 9:26
This is an excellent example of hyper-masculinity; this internalized need for men to prove their masculinity to others and shows they are not "the other."
XMonsieurMeursaultX 1 year ago
i think a lot of you guys are neglecting there is no such thing as a "real man" just as there no such thing as a "real woman"
theocean8819 1 year ago 3
1:38 - KEN SHAMROCK THATS MY MAN!!
neckupyaparrot1 1 year ago
that dude with the glasses is jokes
aznxhustla416 1 year ago
What about the feminine? i think the constant emasculation of men in general in the media & the elevation of women above everything isnt helping matters.
YerJob 1 year ago
@YerJob That's what happens when you let women as stupid as the men that once oppressed them enter the media.
What I mean is that women feel they have some "vengeance" to exact on men, enforced by the radical feminist movement. As a feminist myself, I can tell you, TRUE feminism is dead, it only had purpose back in the days and has nothing to do in Western society anymore.
Feminism today is about turning women against men and, as you point out, it succeeded.
alrune8 1 year ago
And the claim that men are responsible for 95% of child sexual abuse is a blatant lie. Most of the victims of female sexual abuse are males, so they have a stigma to overcome, and most of them are taught to believe that they cannot experience such things at all, which is why you almost never hear of female-on-male rape. Women constitute 51% of sexual abusers.
And one thing Katz completely ignores is that these deeds are committed by less than 1% of men, hence masculinity is not to blame.
loqutor 1 year ago 2
@loqutor I read all your comments and you make good points.
Still I think there is something you miss: it's not about being a wimp, it's about being violent so as to show masculinity. As you said yourself, violence is not a masculine virtue, it's universal.
Equating being violent with being masculine is a misconception that fosters male violence and silences the female violence problem. Hence the stigma of male victims of assault from women.
alrune8 1 year ago
@alrune8 I'm actually aware of that point, and since you bring it up, I'll address it. Men need to be prepared to use violence to defend themselves and others. Bellicosity may be a vice, but that doesn't mean that cowardice is a virtue. I also think that modern feminism is indirectly to blame, with its forbidding men to show any sort of masculinity during the 90s. Men felt deprived, so they rebelled by turning to violence, hence movies and books like "Fight Club".
loqutor 1 year ago
@loqutor That's a fact. But what is cowardice exactly? Refusing to start a fight? Not resorting to violence when it's not needed? To me that's not cowardice, that's common sense.
But you're right. 3rd wave feminism is one of the reasons for this since it teaches women that a respectable woman is a woman who doesn't like men. Men don't understand are extremely frustrated that women no longer love them so they compensate by letting out their anger in a more destructive way.
alrune8 1 year ago
"95% of serious DV is perpetrated by men". Actually, if you look at the more serious forms of DV (biting, kicking, scratching, hitting with an object, threatening to use a weapon, and using a weapon), women are the vast majority of perpetrators. DV is not a gender issue, as it happens to men and women in roughly equal numbers (hence the "1 in 4 men" claim is meaningless). The idea that patriarchal ideas cause DV is false, since the rate of DV is highest amongst lesbians. (cont.)
loqutor 1 year ago
Since when were being tough or demanding respect such bad things? Men need to be able to protect their wives and children.
There are lots of animals who judge one another by their strength and rule through violence. Are they being influenced by the patriarchal media.
Also, that information about battered women is false. The best future indicator of whether or not a woman will be abused is if she herself is violent; self defense accounts for only 10-20% of female violence. (cont.)
loqutor 1 year ago
Thanks for posting the video!!! This helps out a bunch hence I'll be missing the rest of this on Friday in English and really appreciate you posting this!!!
leosnake100 1 year ago
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"Violence isn't so much a deviation, as it is an accepted part of masculinity."
That is the biggest load of misleading, one-sided sack of lies that I've ever heard.
I'm a straight male, fairly scrawny, and definitely not buff. I've never even punched another guy out of anger or rage.
Do I not consider myself a man?
many people try to blame the world for their "shortcomings" or "differences" or what have you, but they never look at themselves. No one else made me into the man I am today
joshuaspolar 1 year ago
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"Violence isn't so much a deviation, as it is an accepted part of masculinity."
That is the biggest load of misleading, one-sided sack of lies that I've ever heard.
I'm a straight male, fairly scrawny, and definitely not buff. I've never even punched another guy out of anger or rage.
Do I not consider myself a man?
many people try to blame the world for their "shortcomings" or "differences" or what have you, but they never look at themselves. No one else made me into the man I am today
joshuaspolar 1 year ago
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"Violence isn't so much a deviation, as it is an accepted part of masculinity."
That is the biggest load of misleading, one-sided sack of lies that I've ever heard.
I'm a straight male, fairly scrawny, and definitely not buff. I've never even punched another guy out of anger or rage.
Do I not consider myself a man?
many people try to blame the world for their "shortcomings" or "differences" or what have you, but they never look at themselves. No one else made me into the man I am today
joshuaspolar 1 year ago
I'm really quite annoyed with sociologists etc etc generalizing all walks of life.
Not all men are the same! Your thoughts toward life depend on your upbringing, and not all places are bad. For example, I was raised in an extremely traditional, conservative Christian family. My mom was a house-mom, and my father worked in construction. Yet even with their traditional views, I have been raised with completely contradictory opinions of the "men" in this video.
A real man would never hurt anyone
joshuaspolar 1 year ago
@joshuaspolar
Of course not all men are exposed to the same experiences, Joshua. Nor do sociologists contend that they are.
They are describing the dominant culture's perception of masculinity, which is clearly illustrated in much of Western media-through television, movies, advertisement, video games, etc.
Media can be an accurate mirror into our culture.
Azriencock 1 year ago
@Azriencock
yes, but I'm saying I was exposed to those exact same media devices, and I have no desire to ever beat someone up, or "prove my masculinity."
joshuaspolar 1 year ago
As a bisexual male I am pissed that they imply masculinity as being a solely heterosexual thing...
But still. Lets be honest. This is propaganda compiled by sociologists and nurture centric psychologists. At some point in this film the narrator states that there are no genetics behind masculine behavior. REALLY? Lets go look at some genes and look at the diversity in gene expression of hormone receptors, production, enzymes ect because there is so much biology that goes into this...
3xDecker 1 year ago
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@3xDecker
"I am pissed that they imply masculinity as being a solely heterosexual thing"
They are not suggesting masculinity should be ONLY a heterosexual phenomenon. He is suggesting that AUTHENTIC masculine identity is being distorted, because we live in a culture that strongly promotes a singular, narrow construct of masculinity. That is what describes as the "Tough Guise." Some sociologists call it hyper-masculinity.
Azriencock 1 year ago
We're raising our young boys to be warriors, that's why they need to be 'tough'. Our military depends on this image to survive. Our prison system depends on the high crime rate from violence that results in these propagated images. Our economy depends on sex and violence. So who wants to stop it?
emerarudo 1 year ago
@emerarudo Nobody wants to do that. I don't even live in the US and I can tell you that such vice is ubiquitous.
alrune8 1 year ago
Makes me wish i was gay sometimes.
Bisselli 1 year ago
men who beat their wives are wrong but so are men that act like their wives! lol
TheNorsePagan 1 year ago
Studies show that women often instigate partner violence.~Dr.Helen Smith-Psychologist.
Despite their assumptions that men were the abusers,every domestic violence survey of both sexes over 30 years in the United States,Canada,England,New Zealand and Australia found one of two things: Women and men batter each other about equally,or women batter men more ~Dr. Warren Farrell
More Proof? GOOGLE: Dr. Martin S. Fiebert, Dr.Murray Strauss, Media Radar, Fatherlessness in Canada {worldwide research}
corbyworld5 1 year ago
@corbyworld5 That's the point. Parading violence as a "men's thing" completely twists the perception of violence as a whole and people can't imagine that women are just as violent as men. And I mean PHYSICALLY violent.
It's just women are thought to be weak and ineffectual. Hence people see women as a non-threat when many of them are anything but. Violent female criminals are not as numerous mostly because it's much easier for them to get away with their actions...
alrune8 1 year ago 3
it's funny b/c a lot of mainstream macho imagery reeks of homoerotic undertones
itchcity 1 year ago
lol... hou?
str8 men hate other "str8" men.
collegeguy2009 1 year ago
very clever, this movie hired a male narrator
Exoticdyme 1 year ago
They didn't "hire" this narrator. This was his PhD dissertation. He did all of the research, interviews, and of course wrote the movie.
klutzytarheel19 1 year ago
Thank for the upload!
PrometheanFlame 1 year ago
this is interesting and all. but don't praise me for being violent when im doing my job like being a soldier in iraq or working as a corrections officer in a prison and then yet bash me for being violent its's confusing and I as a man am easily confused. Most men today have no balls anyways.
TGeiger85 1 year ago
Good question. This isn't about you doing your job although parts of your job maybe affected. Its more about taking out your violence on your partner, your children and about having bigger expectations about "masculinity" that what we should as men.
marimanque 1 year ago
Why does masculinity always have to be defined as being opposed to femininity, instead of complimenting it? The masculine role is not to batter a woman, it is not a male virtue!
besides, uberschnack is right, violence is a pan-human phenominon, not a deviance. The real responsibility of parents for their male offspring when fostering masculine growth is to ensure that aggression is directed properly. It is the dominance of the self that is the highest struggle and measure of a man.
RogerwilcoFoxtrot 1 year ago 15
@RogerwilcoFoxtrot That's because so many people are obsessed with domination and it's all about control.Since total control is the epitome of masculinity according to the media, there is no such thing as cooperation or complementarity. It's more "I command, you obey".
Today, women are taught that accepting men in their lives is a surrender. Women can't afford to be weak, so they scorn men. Men don't understand why women love them no more, so they get frustrated and angry, hence more violent.
alrune8 1 year ago
@RogerwilcoFoxtrot
Within the debate of sociology and psychology, social scientists argue that within Western culture, traditional feminine behaviors are frequently seen as a threat to masculinity. You see this among male teenagers, who enact certain rituals to prove to their friends that they are the "faggot."
XMonsieurMeursaultX 1 year ago
@XMonsieurMeursaultX
Pardon, a correction: "that they are NOT a faggot."
XMonsieurMeursaultX 1 year ago
@RogerwilcoFoxtrot "Why does masculinity always have to be defined as being opposed to femininity" ? Take a look at recent history .
SalviaSeatBelt 1 year ago
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Tough Guise provides no MODERATE PORTRAYAL of real life men.
This would have been so much more edifying if it was a structured discussion rather than a monologue by a Liberal pussy who was beat up when he was in school.
Honestly, the same points could have been made and not portrayed as COMMON.
Acts of Violence usually comes from actual defense of the individual self. Irrational and criminal violence comes from attacking the individual TO GET GAIN instead of defending Preserving them..
HerrQuixota 2 years ago
hou, dumbass nigga, hou?
collegeguy2009 1 year ago
huh?
apacheslim 1 year ago
This video is shit.
Most men are not like what is portrayed in this clearly LIBERAL assessment of what RATIONAL MASCULINITY is.
Stoicism is the foundation of what it means to be a man...or an independent woman.
HerrQuixota 2 years ago
stop bitching about "our" culture as if images of masculinity are unique in our society. they're not. they're prevalent throughout the world and throughout history.
violence isn't a deviation... read some fucking history
uberschnack 2 years ago 2
thank you so much for posting this. we're watching this in my women's studies class but we haven't yet gotten all the way through.
christentze 2 years ago
I've watched this vid. It's crap imo
HerrQuixota 2 years ago
OH NO! If you're not manly, you're girly! THE WORLD MIGHT END! AH AH AH! JESUSMUFFINS!
0Krusnik0 2 years ago
people these days need to let go of their ego.
Huddiethegreat 2 years ago
This video is good and it needs to be said what we all know, that men are all cowards.
blueblue5648 2 years ago
Aren't we trying to avoid estereotyping here? Isn't it the whole porint of the video? Or are you just stupid and/or blind, so that you cannot see it?
riryokufiend 2 years ago
@blueblue5648
I'm male. And I think that this is an absolutely essential series for all people in the US and abroad.
AMetalNinja 2 years ago 2
The stuff about women getting abused should have been saved for a later part of the video.
Just start off with the guns and big chests, then go to violence between men, then men going to jail, then violence against women, and after that the conclusion.
Abashi76 2 years ago
Fuck yeah. I feel like shooting some Arabs with a rifle in one hand and eating a raw steak in the other while smoking a big-ass cigar while wearing an American flag while listening to Iron Maiden. I'M A REAL MAN.
0megamanX 2 years ago 3
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Girls who listen to Pearl Jam deserve to be beaten.
kingalow1 2 years ago
It's a fallacy to claim that being tough leads to violence and certainly the answer does not lie in encouraging your friends to be softer and weaker men. No one is going to think you're a real man for beating up a woman so the claim that manhood leads to the battering of women is moot.
professorfoxtrot 2 years ago 2
But it's 100% that everyone will think you're a real man for beating up another man.
RayneRockstar 2 years ago 2
@RayneRockstar When you're a man, there's a code. It's much like playing hockey, which by itself is the epitome of manhood. Picking on people smaller than you does not make you a man but a coward. Same goes for picking on people who don't want to fight. If your tensions flair with another guy who wants to go, then drop the gloves and do your best. You don't need to win the fight but if you put up a good fight, then you my friend are a man.
professorfoxtrot 2 years ago 2
It'd be nice if more people thought as...honourably as you. However most of the time disrespecting and hurting others is the only way to be respected and admired and too many young men fall into this vicious circle either as victims of violence or as victims of the system, cause as good the abusive do in sheltered enviroments the first time their boss pulls a "You're fired Tom, you're a looser" and they cannot fix it with insults and violence, they realize they've wasted their life.
RayneRockstar 2 years ago
I don' t think that the only way to be respected is to be respected and admired is to perpetuate senseless acts of violence because it supposes that men are bad-natured and bereft of values which I don't think is true.
professorfoxtrot 2 years ago 2
I don't say it's right, but it's true. The fact that we wish the world to be a better place doesn't negate the fact that kids in highschool keep hurting each other for reputation and that the media encores to that.
RayneRockstar 2 years ago 2
I think the big picture reveals that in a world that's gravitating towards sensitivity boys are growing up softer and weaker because their upbringing does not occur in competitive environments where virtues, pride and honour are born. I never would've been the man I am today if my father hadn't taught me to stand up and fight for myself and stand as equals with someone who intends to do me harm.
professorfoxtrot 2 years ago
I think there is a difference in standing up for oneself and others who might not be able to and acting out in violent ways towards women, children or other men strictly for the purpose of showing how tough I am. Its complicated I understand. Men don't have to be like women to be better. Its about the "hypermasculinity". The excessive act of pretending toughness when in reality many men are also victims and have suffered abuse and violence.
marimanque 1 year ago 3