ECT - Electroshock Therapy - Diana Loper Part 1

[telemundo]

Postpartum Depression and the baby blues are NOT the same. This dude is a joke.

[koochy79]

I have had 38 ECT treatments and I am just FINE! I continue to have continuation ECT and it is the only thing that works for me. This wackjob here posting this video had ECT back in the days when it was FORCED on people, the shock was much bigger (disabling) and not controlled. Also, you were not given anesthesia and it was utterly horrifying. I am certainly sorry they had to go through this, but they have NO RIGHT to try and ban it for people who WANT and NEED the treatment to survive.

[sriwai1]

@koochy79 "i have had 38 ECT treatments and i am just fine" hahaha sounds like somebody who needs this stupid treatment to get through lifes problems is far from FINE , depression i can understand and i am sympathetic when it comes to depression as my mother suffered for quite sometime with it because of a terrible event in her life , so she went to a psyciatrist and spoke about her problems and she is fine now , this "therapy" is unnecessary just watch doctors opinions of it on youtube

[roxyb03]

@koochy79 The fact that u have had 38 treatments & still need more speaks for itself. I stupidly allowed a Dr. to talk me into having 25 treatments that left me w/ not just "temporary short term" memory loss but permanent short & long term mem loss & personality changes(all after modern ECT (w/anesthesia). The only reason ECT 1st seemed to be helping me was that after ea. treatment I would forget that I had been depressed, but it always came back .If a few treatmts don't work it's time to quit

[roxyb03]

@roxyb03 (con't) Some people do seem to fully recover after a short round of treatments, but the so called "maintenance" treatments that are given when the recovery is insufficient or can't be maintained w/o more treatments are ridiculous.

[mbono81]

I have had 12 E.C.T. sessions. Its quite simply the greatest thing ever.

[brahud]

Memory loss apparently has its advantages... ECT causes that. Thinking..... based on memorical thoughts might lead to maladaptive stuff..... So get rid of the memory and you can start from scratch (theoretically).

[cbohar84]

SUE! SUE! SUE EVERYBODY!

[angelamariapreuss]

This video is very irresponsible and typical of evangelicals full of it self. I have just returned for 62 days in a psyche hospital wherein I was treated with dignity and respect. I felt loved and cared for. Scares on my wrists will attest to the seriousness of my suicide. When ECT was offered and I consented, saying "Do It"! I went into educational courses. I had 6 ECT treatments over a month period. I responded positively immediately. But then would relapse back into depression after a day.

[4windedLARK]

I made the mistake of giving my mother power over me by signing a sheet that let her make all the medical decisions and I ended up getting ect thanks to her.I'm not sure if this is typical for ect but I was given a dose of andrenaline so I wouldn't pass out from the pain or drugs. Also I noticed the machine they were using looked over 100 years old. On top of all this no one believes it happened including my mother for some reason. Is there any way to determine if someone has had ect before?

[angelamariapreuss]

@4windedLARK What was you diagnosis. How long ago with this. I have just returned from 62 days in a very good Psyche Hospital. I would like to think I can give you a little incite. I had 6 ECT treatments and I am just fine. The machine did look quite old.

[4windedLARK]

@angelamariapreuss My diagnosis originally was drug induced psychosis and then it changed to schizophrenia. I only had one treatment and when I started screaming there was a guy that began to strangle me. My heart beat was over 170 beats per minute while the strangler did his thing and I was having a heart attack. Nobody believes that this had happened. In the morning I forgot all about having this "therapy".

[angelamariapreuss]

@4windedLARK Sorry, it has taken me a while to get back to you. Are you feeling any better? I hope you are and I hope the lord blesses you with recover of good memories. I know that to you your experiences are real and very freighting. So I will pray that your heart is moved to the silence of peace that only Jesus can give. May God Bless You.

[angelamariapreuss]

While I was in the hospital my sister died. I did not forget that! I forgot small things, like my address, or conversations I had yesterday, or what I ate for breakfast but nothing of any significance. And my memory soon righted it self. Within an hour after receiving the treatment I was in the day room with the other patients, playing games or whatever. What I learned from my 62 days in the hospital is how to live bipolar. If I can be as kind to my self as the hospital staff was I will be okay.

[angelamariapreuss]

I am not saying it is easy by any means. Living Bipolar is a whole new way of thinking about life, but it is life and I now see being bipolar as a state of being rather than an disease. I am highly educated and highly creative and seriously Bipolar I. ECT saves lives and minds. I am not sure if I will have more treatments if I can make my cognitive and life style changes work. But if I feel the urge to plunge a knife into my heart I will head right back to the hospital and ECT!

[Sportsnutist]

But in SWEDEN today they give ECT to politically and socially not liked emmigrants. Pls help them. 100 000 victimes yearly according to the Swedish State Psychologist dr Magnus E. in Number 17 of the Swedish Magazine DAGENS MEDICINE from 2007. Read the article. And this is also the same number admitted of kmr.nu - the organisation for humane rights in Sweden.

[improvelawstoprotect]

After ECT, memories are fragmented. Many times, memory without detail and certainly no ability to choose. A shadow of memory, "right on the tip of my tongue" style. Desirable memory unavailable. Interfering undesirable memories. A picture puzzle with many pieces missing. Special life events with no detail, or no memory of special events. Technology unavailable for downloading memories to a back-up system prior to ECT. Knowing this now, why risk losing precious memories? The best to you, Dianna!

[angelamariapreuss]

@improvelawstoprotect Risk losing memories to save your life! I can make new memories. I can't make life! Have faith in the human spirit.

[geoffhummerstone]

experimentation

[vishva8kumara]

Proof that Psychiatrists are mad cows :D

[angelamariapreuss]

@vishva8kumara Proof that you do not have a mental health issue. Only some psychiatrists are nuts, no greater percentage than any other professional. I have met a few that are only in it for the money. There medical arts, or lack there of is obvious.

[VioletS2Dream]

Um.. Why do they keep spinning?

[computerrage]

He's a Self important prick

[manny2fs]

my sister has been going through ect for about two years now... the side effects are body aches for about two days and slight short term memory loss.

[ChrisMP1]

@manny2fs Well duh. Obviously it doesn't ruin everyone, you idiot - if it did it wouldn't be so widely accepted. The point is that occasionally it has some ridiculously drastic effects, and is not worth the risk.

Just because you have experience with something doesn't mean you're not talking out of your ass. Use your brain.

[CityGurl30]

Ok thats WAY to many it should have cut off at 8-10 read the DSM4 think its less than that.

[aimeemacdn]

Caroline Aherne had electro therapy for her depression apparently

[upcycle]

sometimes, IMHO, post par tum depression can be result of nutrition deficiencies, and toxin release. Note that she says she was overweight... she may had been putting on not only weight, she may have been storing toxins, and began to release them as a result of the stress of pregnancy and/or if she ate fewer calories.

[gobsiter]

know at least 10 people that ect is the only thing that works for them.

but in my openion it should be the absolut last resort it has some very bad side effects for some people and bad ones for most but it does work often wen nothing else does

[1schwererziehbar1]

wow you must know a lot of mentally ill people. this seems quite unusual and even not credible to me. please explain to me how you know so many people who need electroconvulsive therapy.

[gobsiter]

@1schwererziehbar1 i go to a mental helth soport group also iv been in the local psyc ward 12 times for bipolar mania depresion and psycosis

[hiddenopal]

Just because her psychiatrist was a quack and had no morals doesn't mean that ECT doesn't help some people who actually have depression and other serious mental illnesses.

Also, when did this occur? She has to be at least 50 in this video and she was 24 when it happened.

[eeyoreofborg]

Her phsychiatrist was a quack. How did she get this far into ECT if she was so opposed to it?

[Adominae]

@eeyoreofborg Do you have more experience on this than this "quack" (highly defensive jab, btw) or the woman who received the "therapy"?

Care to have a series of ect on national TV so we can see how "safe and effective" ect is? And you have to promise to come back in a year so we can see the long-term effects, since no one seems "willing" to do long-term studies. (The truth hurts).

[Christopher711]

I think most people in teh field of psychlotherapy need more help tahn the majority of their patients. lol

[diddymuck]

ah, who cut your hair, man?

[LaFarfalla246]

I'd also just like to add that there is still a huge amount of stigma & ignorance around this subject. Clinical Depression is a 'real' illness which in in its severest form makes a person totally despondent, apathetic & completely devoid of emotion where they are way beyond being able to even cry. This is when ECT is sometimes used. It is used to try & lift a patient's mood even just a bit & then they use meds to continue treatment. It's totally different to just feeling a bit down or fed up.

[LaFarfalla246]

Whether this lady had what's commonly known as the 'baby blues' or whether she had 'true' post-natal depression, I don't know. What I do know is that there is a huge difference between them both. 'True' post-natal depression is a 'real' illness that can render the mother totally incapable of looking after herself & child. I knew a young woman who had to be hospitalised for almost a year after her first baby. She had to undergo ECT which in her case, did help a bit & then she had to take meds.

[photo986]

to wutitudo98 I did not copy and paste. I am warning people of how damaging ECT is especially in the CIA's brainwashing experiments

[photo986]

ECT should be banned!!!!! In the late 1950's the CIA had a secret brainwashing program called MKUltra They paid a Dr Cameron in Montreal to carry it out. He injected LSD Massive ECT far more powerfull than what was considered normal and weeks of sleep as a brainwash tape played. Most people lost there memories permanently. I am telling my story on You Tube called youkilledyourmother it was horrific in the early 80's we sued the CIA and won after 8 years

[wutitdo98]

Dude u left the exact same comment on another ect vid,are you trying to act smart cause you copy and pasted something smart on youtube?

[CityGurl30]

@photo986 same 3videos actually.

[photo986]

In the late 1950's the CIA hade a secret brainwashing program they paid a doctor in montreal to carry it out using Massive Electric shocks LSD and weeksof sleepas a brainwash tape was being played imn telling my story on you tube called youkilledyourmother

[fuzzbox5150]

all psychiatrists are animals

[Lehmann108]

A psychiatrist that recommends ECT for PPD before trying medications is a damned fool. What year was this?

[k000b]

very true,this procedure is recommended for severe cases of depression,one that is resistant to antidepressant therapy,not every depression case .

[ObamaBinBiden2010]

all psychiatrists are sociopathic animals and all psychologists their fawning minions

[CityGurl30]

@ObamaBinBiden2010 To who, the devil?

[ecomafia]

Credentials: Electrical Engineer.

Real case, ended on my desk for expertise.

Engine mechanic knocked down after putting head in touch with bare ignition cables while crankshaft rotated slowly by hand (general aviation 4cyl engine).

Discharge from magneto at skull level.

Energy in coil less than 5mJ.

Presents signs of memory loss + disorders.

Applied for & obtained invalid fund.

ECT can go beyont 1500mJ, current more than 4Amps.

To safety norms, such a device is considered LETHAL.

[manny2fs]

no one can speak of anything unless they themselves are going throught the scenario or they Live with one who suffers.

[Adominae]

@manny2fs Do you have more experience on this than this "quack" (highly defensive jab, btw) or the woman who received the "therapy"?

Care to have a series of ect on national TV so we can see how "safe and effective" ect is? And you have to promise to come back in a year so we can see the long-term effects, since no one seems "willing" to do long-term studies. (The truth hurts).

[Hal9OOO]

that guy has an enormous vein in his arm

[daleshankins]

I have had over 60 ECT treatments. I have posted videos of my most recent round on my youtube site. I wrote a book that contains exhaustive details of my childhood. Barry Morrow, oscar winner for Rain Man, called my book "...a careworn treasure chest filled with gems." I am sorry your interviewee has had such a terrible time. I wish her well. BUT ECT has helped save my life. Peace.

[mach1man22]

I understand that after this type of therapy, there are just things that people can't remember because they've been permanently erased from ones brain. Is this true with you?

[daleshankins]

No.

[swanscoe]

ha! fuk off!!

[closetome]

Love Texas. Love John Breeding. I support your cause Loper!

[underpantswedgy]

Depression is a negative skizophrenia. Depression is more than just a mood.

A depressive person feels dead most of the time, evertbody and everything is not of importance. Depressive people live in a world of fear. Some people dont know nothing about depression - they think its just a sad mood - its more serious than that!

[bobblop]

I knew this woman and her family for years. Her mind was permanently damaged as a high school education was erased from her mind. She was subject to violent seizures many times a day and all through the night. A virtual lobotomy brought on by the extensive shocks caused mental blankness at times and made it extremely difficult to function. A doctor who consulted with her shock doctor before the involuntary treatment had called it post partum depression.

[rforbes1]

You probably should have had some posterior pituitary gland supplementation, Sometimes if they induce labor with pitocin and it makes post partum depression worse.There is an article on the posterior pituitary gland on my website.

[markae0]

Once someone is a mental patient, they're one for life. Doctors think, and have been taught,that they are helping people. It's a form of cognitive dissonance, the smoker who knows smoking causes illness yet continues to smoke,alcoholic who drinks, obese person can barely walk, yet does nothing.

The psychiatrist can say they have helped their patient overcome their depression. The psychiatrist makes and defines the rules of success, not the patient.

[Droyd21]

Not sure what you mean by "mental", but that comment really made me think.

[tooomp]

If anyone hasn't seen the movie "One Flew Over the Cookoo's Nest" you should do so. I cannot understand how the medical community could perform such a Nazzi like procedure. Also, I have known a few people who have taken medications prescribed by psychiatrist and from observation, most were better off prior to taking any.  There probably are only a small number of the meds that actually produce postitive safe results.

[markae0]

"One flew over" is a hollywood film. Reality is quite different.

[tooomp]

Tell us about your experience, I have never witnessed this.

[das733]

"One flew over" was not that far off the mark! ECT is brain damage.

[eduecon]

You should realize that Ken Kesey's experience was during the 60's! Things have changed!!!

It's like showing amputations in a battlefield of the Crimean War to try to ban amputations today!!!

[unicuber]

Written by Ken Kesey, who spent time in a Psychiatric Ward prior to writing that book.

So the story is actually based on reality.

[eduecon]

"Based on reality" is not necessarily reality!!!

Jack Nicholson's ECT scene has nothing to do with the today's ECT procedures!!!

[eduecon]

Besides, ECT has evolved a great deal since the 60´s!!!

There are techniques that greatly reduce memory loss, and a kind of general anesthesia is used! So, it´s painless!!!

[markae0]

evolved? you are joking? its passing massive amounts of electricity through a highly sensitive(to electricity) organ.

How has the (false)idea that Epileptic fits cure insanity(evolved)?

Painless (which it isn't if you ask anyone who has had it) is not the point. IT IS BRAIN DAMAGE, most recover as they would from a hit to the head with a baseball bat.

[eduecon]

The amount of electricity is not the same as before! There is no evidence that ECT causes brain damage!

Besides, when the unilateral electroshock technique is used, memory loss is greatly reduced! I am currently undergoing ECT and I don't feel any pain... just a minor discomfort! I only have a little bit of difficulty remembering certain recent minor events (like what I had for dinner the day before), but that is a VERY LOW PRICE for overcoming DEPRESSION!!!

[eduecon]

I think you are too caught up in old concepts and more worried about scaring people with misinformation than actually helping them overcome this crippling disorder called DEPRESSION!!!

I suggest you read Kitty Dukakis' book called Shock (there's also a documentary on it)and see for yourself how ECT can save one's life!!!

[markae0]

You have memories, then after ECT, memories are gone. Why did the memories disappear?Memory is stored in some bio-chemical way that is damaged by electricity passing through the tissue. Dr's could prescribe drugs like marihuana or opium, or a VNS Vagus nerve stimulation. Many other things to try before damaging the brain.

You suggest I read a book on how ECT helps people, I suggest a book on how ECT HARMS people on endofshock(dot)com

[eduecon]

I'm sorry... But how can marijuana or opium help cure DEPRESSION???

Memory loss is temporary! Besides, ECT is prescribed when ALL OTHER METHODS HAVE FAILED!

I researched the pros and cons of ECT and I chose to do it! What you people are doing is despicable!!! You are spreading misinformation that will keep people who do not respond to anti-depressants from trying ECT!

Don't forget: depression kills!!!

[markae0]

Marijuuana is known to make people laugh isn't it? Or am I making this up? Opium will make someone feel good, so no longer feeing depressed. Or am I making this up? Memory loss is temporary? THAT IS A LIE. Other methods have failed... I am just a nobody and I could think of three other methods. I think damaging peoples brains is despicable.

[eduecon]

I´m sorry. I don´t mean to be rude, but you have no idea what it´s like to suffer from depression! It´s NOT the same as being sad!!! It is much worse and permanent!!! Making you laugh does NOT get you out of depression!!!

[eduecon]

And please show me any psychiatric research that scientifically proves that opium or marijuana should be used to relieve depression! This idea is preposterous!!!

As a matter of fact, it´s quite the opposite!!! Substances like those (and alcohol as well)are factors that worsen cases of depression! Depression is often associated with substance abuse!

[markae0]

You write as if depression is like getting cancer. Psychiatric research proved terror an effective means of curing the insane, if you want to believe that. Same with insulin shock and Lobotomy.

[eduecon]

You clearly don´t know what it is like having depression.

Depression can kill!!! Depression destroys lives and families!!!

[markae0]

Depression can not kill, it is not alive. People make decisions and perform action. Depression is a feeling, not an action. Peoples decisions and actions destroy lives.

[mach1man22]

False. I have depression. It is a barrier keeping one from experiencing happiness and or fulfillment. I know this because lets say I have a thought process that has always been able to make me feel good and I think of that thought process when I'm depressed.

[CityGurl30]

@markae0 no no no when someone is depressed they feel like life has no meaning, so thererfore it can kill you. A very close friend of mine fought it for 3 years.

[mach1man22]

Well, instead of experiencing the emotion that would normally come as a positive reaction from the thoughts, there is a void. Actually after the thought there is an experience of nothing, absolutely nothing. It is this inability to feel fulfillment or positive reinforcement, which is truly what depression is. Depression is biological.

[markae0]

"you have no idea " I got medical papers that say otherwise.

[eduecon]

I bet they are from that same quack...

[eduecon]

I think you are too caught up in old concepts and more worried about scaring people with misinformation than actually helping them overcome this crippling disorder called DEPRESSION!!!

I suggest you read Kitty Dukakis' book called Shock (there's also a documentary on it)and see for yourself how ECT can save one's life!!!

[markae0]

I think you are NOT a ECT patient. You wrote "just a minor discomfort!" To describe the process. Compare that with Liz Spikol time index 2:20 youtube The Trouble With Spikol: The ECT story.

[eduecon]

Ok... call me a liar... that´s a really good argument!!!

You just want to scare people into thinking like you instead of giving them the right information so they can decide for themselves!!!

There is no point in debating with someone like you.

I hope people don´t listen to this quack!!!

[markae0]

So you have the correct and right answers. Thats good to know. According to you, people who have been killed and hurt by ECT should just be forgotten for the (more important)ones that benefitted from losing their memory. Forget also that Dr's profit from ECT quackery, and the "patient" usually can't complain afterwards.

[utdan123]

Married at 19 and a preachers wife...I believe there's alot more to her story then she says. I believe she suffered with depression before she was pregnant and that she was already having problems in her marriage.

[SplendidSilentSun]

I believe that you're right. It is obvious that she's glossed over quite a bit of her story. Lily

[ericksoncartman]

I agree and the video is highly edited when she is talking about her decision. The interviewer, who certainly has an agenda, makes it sound like it wasn't her choice. I bet that she completely understood and agreed to the treatment at the time.

[nakikita]

GRRRRRRR....... psychiatrists are a curse on society. They're no better now than they were in the 1920's. I'm truly sorry this happened to you.

Whether it's drugs or electricity the brain gets damaged, permanently. For my wife it was Zyprexa and for me it was Zoloft.

[beerbrook]

how did zoloft damage ur brain

[IChoseTheRedPill]

*****

[neo1az]

Very interesting.

~neo