Jokers Smile Returns: Inane Clown Politics

[gothprimal]

power to the juggalo's, it sounds like ICP became fallen hero's like they were great until something got to them and that was their downfall.

Jokers smile you are the smartest dude on youtube for real and the only open minded man i think is honest unlike most people.

i respect you and this video you made.

Much Love

[SwagJuiceBWC]

yes dark comedy is used in music such as from the rapper who they emulated the most and goes by the name eminem...ring a bell?.. and they tried to be like him especially when they first came out they copied him move for move to try and get noticed...eminem was gettin big through controversy dissin boy bands and britney spears and shit so ICP is like hmmm we should try that and youd see them start doin the same shit...ICP copied alot all in the hopes of becoming bigger and gettin more money

[TheUnquestioned]

@SwagJuiceBWC You do realize Eminem came out 5 years after ICP debuted. Its much more likely Eminem was inspired by them. I like Eminem as well, at least his older stuff, so therers no beef there. Just get your facts straight.

[SwagJuiceBWC]

@TheUnquestioned well when you talk about an album ya but ICP only made a name off of riding the coat tails and starting shit with eminem and ICP was signed to Disney so dont act like they so underground and hardcore...they copy off esham and eminem etc. they are not original in anyway and after they got dropped from disney thats when they made the juggalo movement to have an army to help them fight the corporations for their own personal benefit...cant prove me wrong

[TheUnquestioned]

@SwagJuiceBWC ICP made a name for themselves by having an obnoxious fanbase and being white rappers in clown paint. Eminem started that beef. ICP didn't really care, they were already successful by the time Eminem made the scene. The only reason they carried that beef was because Eminem kept talking shit, even after he blew up. It was just a back and forth thing. As for the juggalos, they didn't make them, the juggalos made themselves and ICP has been rolling with it ever since.

[XKaliber2097]

@SwagJuiceBWC Name one element that ICP copied from eminem. Any of the similarities you can point out in their music I can demonstrate that ICP did it first. If anything Eminem copied ICP. I don't know why it matters to you so much. Eminem lyrics consist unmitigated attacks on celebrities, introspective tirades, and insecure rants about how his haters are just jealous. Then he masks this with some shitty pop hook by Rihanna. He sucks, now please shut the fuck up.

[Fish6969691]

I just watched the video and all i have to say is im confused but i understand everything

[WarOnJuggalos]

Welcome back Sir

[KevinKidRIot]

Sorry to say this but ICP fucked up a long time ago man. You talk about them being hypocrites they have been for years. Fuck the mainstream shit yet They were on Hollywood Records. They had a comerical played on nTV in late 98/99 promoting Twiztid. When fucking BpB came out they went all over the place saying real juggalos would buy all 3. They said we did this and sold this many albums without radio play. Fuck that. They are lying out there asses.

[KevinKidRIot]

When the album came out they had a music video played on music on demand and a song played on the radio. (Either In Your Face or The Bone can't remember which one atm) and then there most recent video it's All over was premiered on MTV. Juggalos you are blind to the obvious of what's right in front of your face. ICP sold out. They sold out years ago. Even when Wraith first came out they had commercials for it on TV. I remember seeing a commercial for Hells Pit on Cartoon network. Come on!

[MrLuckySInner]

except the joker looks better and he's not a gay homo clown like you are

[mrhiddenjuggalo1]

You have very great points and J10 is not the only person that said Joe Bruce aka Violent J is like this Esham has said this Mars from the very first Dark Lotus has said this I believe it because I was at the 2009 Gathering waiting in line hours just to meet ICP and they left there autograph signing an hour early when I was just about to meet em everyone chanted you fktup and the ppl in line told me that so many ppl told them when you meet em you feel disgusted and dont see them the same

[mastalife1]

well i Agree on most of your subjects. But i don't think ICP is in any gonna change there game plan it be a fucken miracle if they do. Because i think they are like the pop version of the underground and if i am correct death pop is the meaning of that but i dunno i honestly don't give a fly fuckin monkey about ICP anymore they are to pop for me to even remember as a equal and i don't support kings. All i got to say is ill be back in the 90s when y'all are done cause this shit is Wiggty Wack.!

[DLVlogz]

HELL is no joke

The worst place on this planet doesn't even come close to the nicest place on HELL I feel bad for ICP and the people who follow those 2 idiots.

[XKaliber2097]

@DLVlogz Don't be naive. There is no hell.

[TheScottyNutz]

and btw sooo pised Jo didnt correct Lopez. but w/e

[TheScottyNutz]

they are trying to JOIN the mainstream. thats my biggest problem. they want to join the "devil" and thats not what they were all about. they were supposed to be the antithesis of the lamestream, thats what caught me. the jokers cards are their thing so i give them the right to do that. and its risky so maybe they arent afraid of losing the juggalos. ur so right if they fuct up they should say so and do some shit about it. jo bruce aint no god and he should know that if hes really a christian....

[TheScottyNutz]

....where no one speaks to each other and just waits for the show to start. Waiting in the juggalo line is different (or was in 09 at the gathering). their music is waaaay different nowadays and i have kinda fallin off too. but the specialness is inside the juggalos. they may play off it but does not every band out there play off emotions? maybe they do it to compete with the main stream. fight fire with fire? i never believed in the magic or fairies or god, but i knew what they were hintin at

[TheScottyNutz]

we all just trying to make a buck and keep it. i cant fault them that. the fact that they use their power only to gain and keep more power is a travesty. i think its because christians have this motto of being only human and suseptible to "sin" therefore they can do these things and ask for forgiveness, the forgiveness gives them the right to these things again. i thinnk they were saying all this family shit to bring folks together, to have them talk in line instead of usual concerts.........

[Jessdmann]

I will sum up everyone's opinion, shut... the... fuck... up... you... stupid... hippie... retard... thanks.

[ninjawheels2]

Seeds of doubt?...Shit..I don't doubt anything..I just don't care..it's whatever..All due respect to TheUnquestioned..You Sir, are a cult leader..

[ninjawheels2]

Also..you seem to what them to be who they were..not who they are...but who were you before the person you are today..I mean..would you really want someone saying..I want you to be who you once were not who you are...really?

[TheUnquestioned]

@ninjawheels2 I want them to remember who they were and where they came from. Not because they should stay the same, but because it will keep them honest. I want them to have the kind of spirit and substance they used to. If thats not possible, I'll just have to accept it.

[OutlawsGFOD]

@TheUnquestioned I would like to think your making a difference.I would like to think they would notice this video.Keep making the effort.I myself welcome you back and hope you decide to stick around,make people think and understand where your coming from.Cause discussion,a riot...anything.Sometimes when you cause a riot you wake people up.

[ninjawheels2]

From what I am hearing in this video..all you seem to want is a leader..like you are lost without ICP being who you or the rest of the cultist thought the were..yes I now concider you part of the cultist..if you really care what the hell is going on with them.

[TheUnquestioned]

@ninjawheels2 I wouldn't say I'm a cultist, but I believed in them. I'm not lost without them but I am shaken. I care about them because I connected with their music. If what was said about them is proven as true, I'll take the good they had and leave it at that. I just hate the idea of one more pointless cult in the world.

[OutlawsGFOD]

@ninjawheels2 I don't see that he is seeking leadership but understanding of his point of view.It's valid and the message is there.All you have to do is listen.

[ninjawheels2]

I have forged my own path because of them..I don't base my life around them..and you shouldn't either..who cares about all the bullshit.

[TheUnquestioned]

@ninjawheels2 I never based my life on them, but they did mean a lot to me. They were heroes. Artists. I guess Harvey Dent was right. You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

[OutlawsGFOD]

@TheUnquestioned I think that's deep "they were heroes.Artists". We all need to have heroes and what better heroes than an artist painting a picture with music.The only problem is when a hero because a hypocrite you feel betrayed. When underground music meets the mainstream its no longer underground.

[OutlawsGFOD]

@ninjawheels2 when you respect someone or look up to the people who should be making an example for others(hopefully a good example) sometimes you are drawn to listen to everything said about them.I think no matter what people are always listening for the message whether it be negative or positive.Music should always be about the message within the music although how a person acts off stage effects their support on stage if their message was against what they may have done themselves.

[ninjawheels2]

If you don't like the music big deal..they have done so much for charities and helping other people..They never asked for people to like the music they know not everybody will like the music they don't care...Like I said..yea they made bad choices..WHEN THEY WERE YOUNG...look at how long ago this shit actually went down find the facts...I am getting tired of this cause it doesn't matter...like them or not their music made you think about things..I have been made aware of things around me.

[TheUnquestioned]

@ninjawheels2 You're right, their music did change me. Maybe its foolish to try and save them. I should just take the good music and consider them spent. That would be the easier option. That might be how this ends up. Until then I'll keep questioning.

[ninjawheels2]

Ok, I'm sick of this shit..everybody makes mistakes everybody grows the fuck up ok straight up yea this shit could have happend..Juggalos shouldn't give a shit..that would make them hypocrites...who gives a damn about what happend in the past J10 can fucking die for all I care ICP has always been about the fans and the riches have not gone to their heads they want you to believe whatever the hell you want they want you to forge your own path if this stuff is true big deal.

[TheUnquestioned]

@ninjawheels2 So just ignore it and go on? That sounds evasive. If ICP meant anything to you, it should matter that they aren't who they seem. I care about them because they mean something to me. If this is true, they need help. Being greedy and manipulative is not healthy. There are better ways to live this life and do what you love. I live my life just the same, but I still feel compelled to raise questions.

[SamuraiHouse57]

YAY YOUR BACK

[XKaliber2097]

6) In the end, Joe does cater to the juggalos, but they also give a lot back. Catering is also not bad. They want to keep their fan-base happy. After-all, they are the ones supporting them. Joe is still not close to employing the tactics of mainstream record labels. They are also not afraid to say what they believe. The Wraith is a perfect example. I have no doubt Joe is wholeheartedly a Christian, He is being genuine in his music, even if you and I both don’t find that message very compelling.

[TheUnquestioned]

@XKaliber2097 That was what I thought about the newer stuff. I thought it was corny, but I chalked it up to Joe and Joey just being genuinely corny guys. They're family men now and they've always been entertainers first, artists second. That might really be the case. I still don't like the idea of Joe using the juggalos and his power to destroy another artist or hold other artists back. It might be in the name of self-preservation, but its still crooked.

[XKaliber2097]

@TheUnquestioned The real question here comes down to this; ICP always wanted to be signed by a record label from the start. After a long time of being fucked by record labels, they decided that they were evil and made their own label. Now, currently, are they using their record label to fuck and exploit artists? If so, they are hypocrites.

[XKaliber2097]

@TheUnquestioned But, there is no real evidence to suggest they are doing this other than a personal testimony that came out of bad situation where there was undoubtedly anger and resentment.

[XKaliber2097]

5) You said they should come out with an album that talks about how they became corrupted and that addresses the criticisms of their fans. Well honestly from what I hear “The Mighty Death Pop” just might do that. The self-satirical title even suggests it.

[XKaliber2097]

4) Nonetheless, you make a good arguments that ICP (and all the psychopathic artists really) cater to their fans. This seems true. You can’t be too upset though because that makes sense. Whether it’s because they care about their fans and want to see them pleased or because their income relies on it or both, what do you expect them to do?

[TheUnquestioned]

@XKaliber2097 I expect them to be artists, which might just be my personal bias. We just have different priorities it seems. It just feels manipulative. A person should succeed because he's saying something powerful, not because he knows how to work a crowd. I realize thats not how things really work, but it still sucks.

[XKaliber2097]

@TheUnquestioned I don’t see how it is manipulative to make music that you know you’re fans are going to like. So you want them to go in their own direction with their music regardless of what their fans think? Okay, there are artists who do this, and honestly I am not certain that ICP isn’t doing this. I still feel like they believe in the music that they are putting out as corny as a song like miracles is.

[XKaliber2097]

@TheUnquestioned As long as the music is genuine, I will support it. Once they stop believing in what they say and just say it to please people or make money, I will stop supporting it.

[XKaliber2097]

3) Joe also pays out of his pocket for gatherings and so forth but that may all be to build loyalty as you said. It may not be. Also, J-10 never posed a threat to Joe. I never understood from the interview why he thought he did. I still feel like you are too shaken up by one man’s comments.

[TheUnquestioned]

@XKaliber2097 Joe seemed to think J10 was a threat, from what was said. I wasn't sure about that either. I'm shaken by what he said because its the only real glimpse behind the curtain I've seen. I know that beneath even the most shining and beautiful surface there are dark unpleasantries. Nothing is as it seems. Its doubt. Once it gets in, it takes a lot to get back out. Like I said, I'd love to be wrong. I'll keep questioning it.

[XKaliber2097]

2) Also the most pop-like album to ever come out was also their riskiest: the Wraith. I am pretty certain Joe felt he would lose some juggalos by revealing that message at the end. Beyond this, they repeat constantly that pop is bad and the underground is good. So why would their new pop sound be just to make crowd-pleasers for money? Music is progressive. Artists grow. They aren’t just going to keep releasing the same shit. They aren’t the people they were back then.

[TheUnquestioned]

@XKaliber2097 What the reveal meant to me was that they weren't really making their music for juggalos, they were making it for the mainstream. Even in the old days. They were making the music with the mainstream in mind, only they were angry then and now they just wanna be friends. They play up the family love and show they aren't really evil, not for the juggalos, but for everyone else. They're making themselves, and the juggalos, accessible. You can see how well thats turningout

[XKaliber2097]

I completely disagree with this. It is very obvious from Behind the Paint and the hints in ICP’s older albums that they had always planned to reveal the message, and it is also obvious that Joe was nervous about doing it. He even talked about how bizaar was just his way of putting off releasing the Wraith. The Wraith (as crappy as it was) was the artistic direction that he wanted to go in, not an attempt to become mainstream, and I respect him for that.

[mrhiddenjuggalo1]

@TheUnquestioned one thing tho you only seem to alway mention ICP and not the other artists on the label it would be nice to have videos with your imput on the other artists as well

[XKaliber2097]

You made a lot of interesting points in this video, but I am still not so sure about your ideas. 1) From early on the juggalos were always a cult; a niche group of die hard followers. Especially after riddlebox. I think you could as easily assume that Milenko was made as a reaction to Joe’s realization of the cult status, rather than his attempt to create a cult status for his group. After all, you are just making assumptions like I am.

[TheUnquestioned]

@XKaliber2097 Thats a good point. That might very well be why they started addressing it. The juggalos became a cult-like following and ICP just rolled with it. I still don't like it, but then again I'm looking at it as an artist, and ICP never thought of themselves as artists. Point taken.

[BoneLonesome]

Very well said, I am not a Juggalo, not much of a joiner really, but what you say is why I was drawn to look into icp and gain a respect for them.

[Jallandhara]

Well, it's good to see you're still around.

[PyroProductions51]

well this suxs man but respect, man

[Shamrockhooligan24]

I am a juggalo but I'm really sick of what have become of juggalos and icp themselves, I don't really know what to think anymore...