Terence McKenna on Ketamine

[BLC09]

Where can i get some

[CORNP00]

nvm i hear it now. "awareness, pure awareness"

[CORNP00]

0:31 what does he say quietly?

[CORNP00]

@CORNP00 nvm i got it..."awareness, pure awareness"

[CBRD420]

Rapping on ketamine is insane the featured video on my channel was a freestyle on K I felt like a robot when i recorded it please look at it

[1StarProductions]

Who's the frat boy Terrence is talking to? What a waste of time before Terrence starts speaking, which isn't much. Thumbs down.

[supated2]

"Sometimes on Ketamine, I have the impression, It's like this all the time. I simply don't notice."

[The360dot]

It sounds like they're literally high at that moment.

[KingKook]

Drug experiences reflect the inaccurate, warped, distorted, absurd assumptions & beliefs of our "sober" culture. A glass of wine or a couple tokes & SO much of the bullshit of our society falls away. So the "harder" drugs are more drastically stripping away the false front of our straight consciousness. They also inhibit or impair certain receptors so the drug experience results from a relative heightened sensitivity of specific mental processes. "Reality" hasn't changed, but the "camera" has...

[hondacr60r]

@KingKook nice take on that.

[CORNP00]

@KingKook that was a great way of explaining the drug experience

[KidInsight]

Jesus Christ i've been trying to articulate how I feel about ketamine for months. Terence just hit the nail on the head with a sentence.

[jessjoy777]

k not coke

[BlueMIndMaverick]

I think we really wouldn't need any drugs, or at least to a lesser extent, should we still be in touch with our inner imaginary world. psychedelic are all about bringing forth the visionary world of the archetypes and Gods we all carry within. Indeed ancient populations, though doing drugs to directly encounter the spirits, they could still see the world with dreaming eyes, namely projecting the inner world into the reality. this is what also happen with children or with mad people

[n0m4xx]

@BlueMIndMaverick lol i need drugs to party and have fun

[pervertedpenguin69]

Has anyone here had any creative breakthroughs or stunning revelations from ketamine use?

[tbsaint123]

@pervertedpenguin69 Yes, if i do ketamine after a night out on my own to drift off to sleep !

[KidInsight]

Probably not. Primarily because it's so inarticulate. There isn't much capacity for the internal monologue to elaborate. Nevertheless, that doesn't mean there's nothing to gain. Anyone who has had an OBE will firmly tell you that they feel like they have gained from it, they just don't know why. It's possible that you may have an emotional revelation, but in terms of putting that into a format others would understand, it's possible but difficult, because it's incomprehensible direct experience.

[anjunatc]

@pervertedpenguin69 sure..... but only after lsd, a few hours after, ketamine is pretty akin to dmt when u time it right.................

[jimmyshitbags]

@pervertedpenguin69 I actually have recently and is why I'm here. It's nothing particularly new that hasn't been thought many 1000s of times before, but I just totally get it now. I was thinking about pressure society puts on us to look, act, think a certain way, and why it benefits the economy to trick people into feeling inferior/insecure - it sells products and motivates people to be a "success". But really, you should not be basing your self-worth on how... [continued in next comment]

[jimmyshitbags]

@pervertedpenguin69 [continued] ... on how other people percieve you. I woke up the next day feeling really happy, less stressed, because I suddenly felt like I genuinely no longer cared about what anyone thinks of me. We really do live in a bullshit society that poisons and enslaves minds, and I felt like I'd finally gotten wise to it and I was so happy. I'd heard similar things said before, but I had to really think it through on ketamine before I properly understood.

[jimmyshitbags]

@pervertedpenguin69 I should point out that this wasn't on a particularly heavy dose either, it wasn't like I was totally confused, disorientated and lost in another dimension, cut off from my body and unaware of my past or personality. It was more like a really peaceful, blissful, sedated trip, not an extreme one. Definitely my most useful trip to date on any drug, really need to find some more now.

[deadzeppelin]

@jimmyshitbags Once you open the door a few times, stop doing the drug. No need to keep opening the door over and over again, and do too much drugs. Every sensation and perception is already inside yourself. Learn to open the door. Take a walk inside. Go further. Drugs are not needed., they just show you what is possible. Meditate. Look into vipassana meditation or some form of serious insight meditation. You will slowly find more awareness like this every day. Only happiness follows.

[jimmyshitbags]

@deadzeppelin the thought of attempting serious meditating had never really crossed my mind until recently, I don't really know if I'm capable of it

[deadzeppelin]

@jimmyshitbags Why do you say that? Of course you are capable of it. Everyone is. It is not magic. It is just being. Confidence, an open mind, and determination and you will go far.

[jimmyshitbags]

@deadzeppelin it can be hard to concentrate when your brain is fried from a long day I find

[deadzeppelin]

@jimmyshitbags True, but it always is. You just have to accept that it is hard to concentrate, observe that the mind wanders without getting frustrated, and keep trying. Then it will slowly get easier, and the long days more manageable. I am certain you can do it, if you want to do it. Taking a free vipassana course will give you a very very strong foundation to begin your practice. Lots of towns have weekly group sits. Many ways if you want it.

[mortitio]

I didn't like Ketamine at all. Not much fun and it lasted long after i wanted it to be over. X is much MORE fun....and the sex is better on it too!

[jimmyshitbags]

"it's like this all the time" - i understand that feelling 100%. last time I took it, I had the sense of this woman being in the room, and she was saying to someone else who I couldn't see, "I knew he'd be back here sooner or later, it's about time".

the other side of it is when I've taken too much, and felt like I was never going to get back to the normal sober state. that wouldn't be so bad on some drugs but I couldn't take being on a life-long ketamine trip, I'd kill myself.

[fishfoodedd]

@jimmyshitbags the part about the woman saying she knew you'd be back sooner or later, I get that everytime i proper trip on K. I fly past people who i dont see (or i only see them in my peripheral) but i know they are there and they are always welcoming me back and sometimes even cheering. sometimes i greet them in my head and its all so ummm "normal" (?)

[austin197110]

@jimmyshitbags I Think its the initial fear of how quick and powerful the ketamine takes control, which causes you to fear being stuck forever.. ive gotten the feeling myself, but you slowly overcome this fear after more and more sessions

[jimmyshitbags]

@austin197110 hmmm i don't know if the speed of the onset of effects is what makes the difference. I mean, there are plenty of drugs that can kick in quickly that don't have that worrying sense of it being a permanent change. I think it's just that it's such an extreme shift into a world that's so different to the normal sober one, but it seems like it's 100% real at the time and it's hard to remember what being sober even feels like.

[austin197110]

@jimmyshitbags Telling me mate! i completely forgot about everything, and i mean everything the first time was so intense all i could think about was getting out off the hole i fell into.. everything just seem so distort haha!! i like it now though, i feel comforted now knowing that it will all just fade away so i just enjoy it whilst it lasts

[jimmyshitbags]

@austin197110 do you still feel as "sane" in the sober world as you did before you got into ketamine though?

I ask because I always get this sense (at higher doses anyway) that I'm doing something that might permanently damage my mind if I completely "let go" and fully embrace the ket reality, i start fighting it instead of totally giving myself over to it. Maybe the government have poisoned my mind with all their "psychedelics cause mental illness" talk...

[austin197110]

@jimmyshitbags I think with all drugs, you feel slightly different when you return to your sober state, possibly due to having a slightly altered perspective.. i think if youve already taken the drug then the damage is been doing (if any) so you may aswell just go for it and completely let go

[artysm7]

i felt like i was balancing on earth, like trying to ride out an earthquake that could swallow me up at any moment. i remember being driven around by a friend to buy more drugs whilst fucked on ketamine and thinking i was handing over cash in order to stay alive...that was fairly hectic!

[mrstrings2006]

@ChuckNorrisKratosLOL Ahhhh, yikes. It's very difficult to describe what I felt. It's even hard to remember what was I felt or was thinking, it's such a strange place that mushrooms take me to, and I only visit there once and a while. I'm beginning to theorize, that perhaps psilocybin removes filters that our brains have in place. As those filters are removed, new sensory input is brought to my attention. So naturally, new conclusions are drawn. Mine was that I was 'a' God, in some sense...

[achemachew]

Ketamine is amazing! DXM isn't as enjoyable then a nice line of K!

[Danman429]

@questionmarkjones i also figure that that is precisely why the government tries to supress cosnciousness alteration, cuz they want to control the novel, they want to write the story to the best of their power. and they dont want people interfering with it, and the more people with the ability to means the more radically everything is shifting. but everything is always shifting, and their just trying to get the best grip, but they're gonna lose it, it's inevitable.

[Danman429]

@questionmarkjones whenever im on mushrooms, i feel like im embedded inside a novel, and that all that i see with my eyes and all that occurs is just what's built around the structure, and the structure of the novel is the consciousness of my life, the various feelings that i receive through experience all mapped out on a plot from point a, my birth, to point b, my death.

[mrstrings2006]

@Danman429 I feel the chaotic state that is my reality, and I, as God, impose time and structure onto the chaos to try and make sense out of it.

[HigherPlanes]

I didn't know TM had tried ketamine. Very interesting. This recording is definitely close to his passing

[737124]

Yes, 'its like this all the time but I just dont know about it'....... I always get that feeling, my theory (backed up by no research what so ever) is that because we only use like 10% of our brains or w/e we are unbale to access this dimension/plane of thought, other animals can do things like detect electro magnetic pulses and stuff, imagine what we could do if we used the other 90% how powerful we would be. Maybe ket makes us use parts of our brain we dont normally

[me351]

@737124

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the 'brains using little potential' thing is a popular myth. In fact, we use close to 100%.

[737124]

@me351 well like I said you condescending little twat it's not like I have researched the subject. Still if we dont use it all, to use even 1 percent more is a lot.

[me351]

@737124 Woah there, sorry man, I didn't mean to come off as condescending, it was meant to be light hearted comment. It's just the 10% theory is one of those myths that loads of people believe. Jus' thought you'd like to know..

No bad vibes, man.

[TylerMcManus1]

@me351 Could ya please tell me where can I find some info on that?The brains potential we use,I mean.

Thanks in advance.

[mastershake0505]

@me351 i think tho when ppl say that, our conscious is only using 10% have you ever seen the ice burg model?

i think an average person is about 10% but you can definatly expand it if you choose...

[Envee211]

Was McKenna on ketamine during this discussion? His words seem to slur and he sounds a bit lethargic.

[noonewn]

The second voice is absolutely Terence.

I have listened to him for hours and I have no doubt.

[rum02]

@antidestr0 second voice is unmistakeably terence 

[2Emos1Razor]

@McGillicutty5000 Yeah, and I'm sure bragging about your Ketamine usage on Youtube makes you more badass than all us, lame, boring, nobodies who have never done it.

[McGillicutty5000]

@2Emos1Razor

My comment had nothing to do with insulting anyone who has not done ketamine or as you put it, how "badass" I am. Clearly you're insecure.

[2Emos1Razor]

@McGillicutty5000 Oh yeah, I'm so insecure.

[McGillicutty5000]

@2Emos1Razor

My mistake; you must have poor reading and comprehension skills if you thought that was the meaning of my comment. Or perhaps you just felt the need to lash out. I personally don’t give a shit, whatever your malfunction.

[nilbud]

@2Emos1Razor Actually it does.

[2Emos1Razor]

@nilbud what?

[rbwade88]

K can be very addicting.....real easy to say fuck the wrold and hit the k-hole 4-5 times a day....thats why i stoped..

[moosey333]

"Its like this all the time we just don't noticed."

This happens to me on any dissociative. Its kinda strange. Even on DXM I was feeling "Everybody can fly, we are all flying but we just don't know it, you don't have to be on DXM to fly."

[xRxAxTxOx]

@NerfHerderD17 nah that isnt joe rogan

[dimebag690]

the best and worst visuals ive ever had

[TWIGGIE2T1]

Ketamine messed with my head to many times ha, When you hallucinate and see yourself looking back at you it gets a bit scary, imho.

[2Emos1Razor]

@TWIGGIE2T1 out of body experience.

[pamaspamas]

terrence says the word "hyper" a little bit too much for my liking.

[BenNCM]

he only says it once you dick

[pamaspamas]

what in the hell is your problem.

[serhumanono]

the problem with ketamine is that you discover that life is just a little point in the infinite, it doesnt really mind

[alistairproductions]

@serhumanono why is that a problem?

[serhumanono]

because its sad

[MightySunTzu]

@serhumanono same thing can happen with any other hallucinogen, not sure about other dissociates.

[fugazi32]

I used to abuse Ketamine, horrible stuff - I used to love it until it messed up my life, then I discovered Psilocybin and everything McKenna said made sense - so true!

Why put something horrible & un-natural in your body when nature does it better?

[stickman225]

Thanks for adding this!

Now I can back up my claims

[stickman225]

<K3

[kayenta33]

ketamine.........no thanks. lsd for me

[choicesdefineus]

i have done many drugs, and lsd seems to be the best in my opinon as well. but im always open to try someonething once

[nilbud]

@choicesdefineus Try peyote

[JiffyNo0b]

I imagine this went a bit farther, but that was the most positive light I've ever heard him discuss ketamine in.

Does anyone know the name of this talk?

[DrGrandDaddyPurple]

yes!! - "its like this all the time" is the feeling i get when do most psychedelics - its kinda a uncomfortable but warm feeling

[harrymanback4]

yep Comfortably Numb

[Kelidiscope]

@DrGrandDaddy

I think what is being suggested in the vid is that the 'its like this all the time' feeling is it softens, quiets, and even shots off the normal static in our experience, and allows one to see subtleties and nuances of what always is..

(also works with certain DXM doses)

As for the plant hallucinigens/psychadelics, it seems to actually enhance ones sensory inputs, which overcomes the typical static in our experience, and allows one to see -InTo- the subtleties of what always is.

[jessjoy777]

@DrGrandDaddyPurple is this gonna be forever? ;-)

[WHYNOTTTTTTyeah]

A drop of pure awareness. Well put.

[dethtongue]

I used to go out with a girl who worked at a vetranarian.

[Davey52Poremba]

gud 4 u

[choicesdefineus]

i think hes refering to how he use to be able to get ketamine.

[2Emos1Razor]

@dethtongue A veterinarian is a profession, not a place. 

[dethtongue]

@2Emos1Razor A-"I'm going to the veterinarian!" B-"What on earth are you talking about?" A-"Oh I'm sorry I meant I'm going to the veterinarians office." B-"Oh OK. Now I understand what you meant." -Note: person B is a pain in the ass to communicate with. He doesn't know it but many people avoid him.