The genius of this man is unparalleled. The quality and amount of music he produced is something I do not think any composer can match and his legacy resonates up until the present day and is simply timeless. I personally enjoy playing him on guitar and consider it a joy!
@Dirkovic80 Latinum holds much higher as a language of "genius," that is intellectual creativity. Bach actually wrote much of his information, music-wise, in Latin. He learned it in his youth, wrote, read, and spoke latin often around German academia, where even in the principalities the German language was treated with little respect. Compare this to Mozart's trip with his family to England ten years after J.S. Bach's death, where they sang of the English "culture," and their envy.
not true about latin ... i can send you tons of quotes of german intellectuals who loved german language most
and one of them was mozart
it was usual back then to get educated in latin and also old greek langguage (even today we got gymnasia in germany which educate both, i visited one of them^) but it doesnt mean that all educated germans thought latin is a more beautiful langage than german
@Dirkovic80 Mozart lived as a young student nearly 60 years later (comparatively in age), plus Mozart had never enjoyed the academic life that J.S. Bach had experienced. It doesn't matter if German intellectual life "liked" their language, but what they used to communicate to other intellectuals everywhere in their writing. In Leipzig, latin was regularly spoken at the University, while minor minutes were written in German since they were the equivalence to errand notes.
On top of this, you've still ignored the very real academic nature of England at this point in history, as well as the bright English speakers of North America during W.A. Mozart's time. Donkey-brained English speakers also spoke, read, and wrote in Latin, much like everybody else, and contributed just as much as Germany ever has intellectually once you consider their contribution in Mathematics, Astronomy, Physics, Philosophy, Economics, and Law.
the greatest composer that ever blessed england was. GEORG FIRDRICH HAENDEL a german composer who showed birtain how to make real music. there are bach mozart and beethoven every1 bigger then the whole hisotry of english music
you have a few big names in natural sciences like newton , but we got loads of famous germans who are way more iportant such as planck, hahn, gauß. leibnitz, schrödinger, ohm, siemens, benz this list here could be endless ...
@Dirkovic80 Again, they traveled, since German and Austria didn't treat the arts or "culture" as highly for reasons pertaining to a lack of money which England and France (by way of loans), had. If English is the language of fools, then Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Edison, Stephen Hawking, Charles Darwin, Carl Sagan, Steven Weinberg, David Gross, Edward Witten. Perhaps we should include the Germany hating Germans (Einstein and Schrödinger) since you've turned this into a patriotism speech?
england of mozarts time is no comparison to germany ,,, you were always jaelous hehe
"Will Germany, my beloved fatherland, which I am proud of, as you know, not record/hire me, then once more, in the name of god, france or britain shall profit from a skillfull german man and this to the shame of the german nation."
@Dirkovic80 Your quote itself proves that they had to go elsewhere for appreciation. The love of their country is one which is "paternal" in nature (as Americans often feel patriotic, for reasons that may not be justifiable beyond birthplace and familiarity). Comments like that by Leopold's father are exactly what I'm talking about. Musical entrepreneurs traveled to England and France to make huge sums of money, or went to Poland or Italy to make more modest amounts/to learn more.
well i dont have time for retarded trolls to waste my time ...
you know nothing about mozart , if you would have reade any of his letters you wouldnt say such bullshit ,,, thats why i dont go on further on your stupid ridiculous comments about mozart
+ i dont give a fuck about your wannabe prfessors from the new brainwashed world ,,, its only telling lies about german history and culture , because they are jaelous
@Dirkovic80 I've mentioned two names from books I've read. One professor work in the United States, at Harvard University. I'm sure you've heard of it. :) Both speak extremely fluent German, far beyond your comprehension of the language (translating 17th and 18th century German). Christoph Wolff (German musicologist at Harvard) and Stanley Sadie (British musicologist at the Royal College of Music). I recommend reading both The New Bach Reader, and Mozart: The Early Years 1756-1781.
mb you think harvard is "elite" but i think harvard is a zionist institution which teaches purposely fake history and lies to their own benefit
consequently their professers and dozents are puppets , which say what they are supposed to say
and btw as i said in the pm allready i dont care which books you read ,,, just because some harvard guy writes a book it doesnt mean to be the truth ... primary sources are the key , not what a fuckin fat harvard guy interprets into it
@Dirkovic80 Also, as a heads up. . . if you want to sound intelligent in English, please use less profanity and learn how to properly spell words that look incorrect, or look them up on Webster's dictionary. Reatrd is spelled retard. Priomaray is spelled Primary (both have their roots in Latin, and are spelled fairly similar to their romantic originals).
funny loser ,,, you need to go of topic all the time in order to feel a lil better ...
you think an american incest brain could teach me something essential ?
haha , you are allready proud if you know the roots of words like "primary" ohoh you got my deepest respect
fuckin poser... go try to impress people of your kind (mb you got your arrogance from arguing with uneducated yankee shits, and thought all the world is as closeminded as you) you only make me laugh out loud the more you write
@Dirkovic80 I'm glad I can entertain. But seriously, I would recommend those books. By the way, you've mentioned that I've been reading the wrong historical works of scholarship on several historical figures. Would you mind giving a few examples so I read the "correct" works? (writing the title, and the author would be fine). It doesn't matter if they're in German or not, since I have several musicologists to talk to about German biographies, and can ask them what they think of your suggestions.
"Die Sprache ist ein Spiegel eines Volkes; wenn wir in diesen Spiegel schauen, so kommt uns ein großes, treffliches Bild von uns selbst daraus entgegen."
basic knowledge are such things like how beethoven got treated by his father etc. its basics ... not worth to ornate yourself all the time with your basics and your millions of your "professors" and musicologist who all (ofc) fear your knowledge and skills
@Dirkovic80 If you'd like to speak about what his Cantatas were written in, you have to remember that at least half of all his congregations were made up of the less-educated German individuals in and surrounding the town. In The New Bach Reader, Bach and many of the rectors complained about the dichotomy, and had little tolerance for their lack of knowledge and taste (French courtly mannerisms). Lutherism in middle to north eastern German looked to Luther's music because it was canon.
well kid i dont go on reading your other bullshit comments ,
i dont have time for jealous losers like you , be proud on your ugly english history im proud on german history ^
and btw u dont need to visit an academy to learn latin and greek , in germany it was usus for smart people to learn these languages , wethe if you visited an academy or not !
mozart spoke latin and greek very good and he still preferred german
The issue was not who's language is "better," but what languages apply to creativity? Both. At the same time, both German and English were "insufficient" as far as academic writing is concerned. You made this a nation issue, not me.
martin luither and js bach also preferred the german language
here is an example of what luther said (luther also translated the entire bible into german ,, but german intellectuals didnt like german language huh ?):
"Die Sprachen sind die Scheiden, darin das Messer des Geistes steckt."
or leibnitz:
"Alles. was sich nicht mit Mitteln der Volkssprache auseinandersetzen läßt, damit ist es nichts."
@Dirkovic80 I've read this information from, professors of history and music, who probably understand the nuances of German culture and language far greater than yourself. Just because you speak German, doesn't mean you're the equivalent of a historian with two doctorates in musicology and history. I'm willing to admit that I don't know everything, but when I read letters from Mozart's father Leopold speaking so well of England in the 1760s, why should I believe you?
latin and greek were and will always be a must for educated people .. but it doesnt mean that you have to estimate it bigger than german language. all the greatest germans loved exessively their german language
and there was no1 that had respect for the english donkey language
@Dirkovic80 You know well that W.A. Mozart wouldn't stand a chance at reading theological arguments in the Compedium locorum theologicorum by Leonhard Hutter or the Newton's Principia Mathematica like Bach's faculty in Ohrdruf. In Stanley Sadie's book "Mozart: The Early Years, 1756-1781," it mentions the awe and delight of Mozart's family in England, and their wish to stay or import English culture to Austria (for the English loved the arts and paid plenty for it).
Shortly after Bach had died, his genius was equated to that of the most popular genius of science in the late Baroque era, the English Isaac Newton - who there is certainly no equal to as far science and math are concerned, existing in Western history. While I can agree that German speaking countries have produced a lot as far as the humanities go, you've overdone it with your assertions against English speakers.
wtf? this is in welsh or summit! LOL! fuckin americans
MrThreshold2009 2 months ago
The best and most important person ever.
phrtphkbrlz 8 months ago
whats up with the beginning lol?
MuscleheadsUnite 8 months ago
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
mburge16 9 months ago
The genius of this man is unparalleled. The quality and amount of music he produced is something I do not think any composer can match and his legacy resonates up until the present day and is simply timeless. I personally enjoy playing him on guitar and consider it a joy!
much love from Kuwait
RIP Kappelmeister Bach
charlatanbaby 10 months ago 2
No need to call in a psychiatrist to expain why Bach was religious.
Everyone was religious back then!
wcbroccoli 1 year ago
nothing but noise... kids today
jamesarongray 1 year ago
6:40 this pedal work shows how bach makes music out of legs movement, basically he saw music in everything, pure genius
Bataja706 1 year ago
trust me - u don't want to understand the german mumbo jambo :)
OMHPOZ 1 year ago
Subtitles on the german and french maby?
DarkHypocrisy 1 year ago 2
@DarkHypocrisy I'm not sure, though I'll look for subtitles ;)
ClassicalBeerGuy 1 year ago
i just finished early to baroque music history today...buxtahude! awesome video!!!
sleazebee 2 years ago
Is this supposed to be funny? How about some subtitles for the kraut mumbo jumbo?
AristYdes 2 years ago
@AristYdes lmfao...its easy to understand...go back to school and stay awake this time. try to at least pretend you are getting an education
slovakmath 1 year ago
@AristYdes
actually english is the language made for donkey brains
so its kind of ridiculous calling the german language "mumbo jumbo"
u are just not able to get what real culture is
its no coincidence that all the great geniouses were germans
Dirkovic80 11 months ago
@Dirkovic80 Latinum holds much higher as a language of "genius," that is intellectual creativity. Bach actually wrote much of his information, music-wise, in Latin. He learned it in his youth, wrote, read, and spoke latin often around German academia, where even in the principalities the German language was treated with little respect. Compare this to Mozart's trip with his family to England ten years after J.S. Bach's death, where they sang of the English "culture," and their envy.
ShaneyElderberry 4 months ago
@ShaneyElderberry
not true about latin ... i can send you tons of quotes of german intellectuals who loved german language most
and one of them was mozart
it was usual back then to get educated in latin and also old greek langguage (even today we got gymnasia in germany which educate both, i visited one of them^) but it doesnt mean that all educated germans thought latin is a more beautiful langage than german
in fact its not true
Dirkovic80 4 months ago
@Dirkovic80 Mozart lived as a young student nearly 60 years later (comparatively in age), plus Mozart had never enjoyed the academic life that J.S. Bach had experienced. It doesn't matter if German intellectual life "liked" their language, but what they used to communicate to other intellectuals everywhere in their writing. In Leipzig, latin was regularly spoken at the University, while minor minutes were written in German since they were the equivalence to errand notes.
ShaneyElderberry 4 months ago
On top of this, you've still ignored the very real academic nature of England at this point in history, as well as the bright English speakers of North America during W.A. Mozart's time. Donkey-brained English speakers also spoke, read, and wrote in Latin, much like everybody else, and contributed just as much as Germany ever has intellectually once you consider their contribution in Mathematics, Astronomy, Physics, Philosophy, Economics, and Law.
ShaneyElderberry 4 months ago
@ShaneyElderberry haha your funny
first of all you didnt speak about science buty just only about languages etc .
but i cam answer you on that:
first of all english is a degenerated form of german language , without any "cases" etc.
"you dont even have english words for some things such as "kindergarten" etc.
and contributed just as much as Germany ever has intellectually once you consider their ..."
Dirkovic80 4 months ago
the greatest composer that ever blessed england was. GEORG FIRDRICH HAENDEL a german composer who showed birtain how to make real music. there are bach mozart and beethoven every1 bigger then the whole hisotry of english music
you have a few big names in natural sciences like newton , but we got loads of famous germans who are way more iportant such as planck, hahn, gauß. leibnitz, schrödinger, ohm, siemens, benz this list here could be endless ...
Dirkovic80 4 months ago
@Dirkovic80 Again, they traveled, since German and Austria didn't treat the arts or "culture" as highly for reasons pertaining to a lack of money which England and France (by way of loans), had. If English is the language of fools, then Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Edison, Stephen Hawking, Charles Darwin, Carl Sagan, Steven Weinberg, David Gross, Edward Witten. Perhaps we should include the Germany hating Germans (Einstein and Schrödinger) since you've turned this into a patriotism speech?
ShaneyElderberry 4 months ago
@ShaneyElderberry
literature... schiller . lessing, goethe, kant etc vs ? shakespeare ?! haha
england of mozarts time is no comparison to germany ,,, you were always jaelous hehe
"Will Germany, my beloved fatherland, which I am proud of, as you know, not record/hire me, then once more, in the name of god, france or britain shall profit from a skillfull german man and this to the shame of the german nation."
W.A.Mozart
Dirkovic80 4 months ago
@Dirkovic80 Your quote itself proves that they had to go elsewhere for appreciation. The love of their country is one which is "paternal" in nature (as Americans often feel patriotic, for reasons that may not be justifiable beyond birthplace and familiarity). Comments like that by Leopold's father are exactly what I'm talking about. Musical entrepreneurs traveled to England and France to make huge sums of money, or went to Poland or Italy to make more modest amounts/to learn more.
ShaneyElderberry 4 months ago
@ShaneyElderberry
all your posts show how uneducated you are
well i dont have time for retarded trolls to waste my time ...
you know nothing about mozart , if you would have reade any of his letters you wouldnt say such bullshit ,,, thats why i dont go on further on your stupid ridiculous comments about mozart
+ i dont give a fuck about your wannabe prfessors from the new brainwashed world ,,, its only telling lies about german history and culture , because they are jaelous
Dirkovic80 4 months ago
@ShaneyElderberry
they tell lies about 3rd reich and hitler about bismarck our monarchy our ancients
so only retards like you overtake the mental crap others want you to say
if you want to know real shit then read the priomaray fuckin sources
and dont name me ever names of nameless retards whos boooks you read , i dont give a fuck about which reatrd books your read you loser
Dirkovic80 4 months ago
@Dirkovic80 I've mentioned two names from books I've read. One professor work in the United States, at Harvard University. I'm sure you've heard of it. :) Both speak extremely fluent German, far beyond your comprehension of the language (translating 17th and 18th century German). Christoph Wolff (German musicologist at Harvard) and Stanley Sadie (British musicologist at the Royal College of Music). I recommend reading both The New Bach Reader, and Mozart: The Early Years 1756-1781.
ShaneyElderberry 4 months ago
@ShaneyElderberry
"Both speak extremely fluent German, far beyond your comprehension of the language (translating 17th and 18th century German). "
how it comes a degenerated vegan yankee shit is able to judge wether a harvard professor is speaking my motherlanguage better then me or not ^
i can read through luthers or mozarts texts without stucking ,,,
and just because some harvard dozents said some things about germany it doesnt mean to be the truth
Dirkovic80 4 months ago
@ShaneyElderberry
mb you think harvard is "elite" but i think harvard is a zionist institution which teaches purposely fake history and lies to their own benefit
consequently their professers and dozents are puppets , which say what they are supposed to say
and btw as i said in the pm allready i dont care which books you read ,,, just because some harvard guy writes a book it doesnt mean to be the truth ... primary sources are the key , not what a fuckin fat harvard guy interprets into it
Dirkovic80 4 months ago
@Dirkovic80 Also, as a heads up. . . if you want to sound intelligent in English, please use less profanity and learn how to properly spell words that look incorrect, or look them up on Webster's dictionary. Reatrd is spelled retard. Priomaray is spelled Primary (both have their roots in Latin, and are spelled fairly similar to their romantic originals).
ShaneyElderberry 4 months ago
@ShaneyElderberry
if you would have a brain you would know that my mistakes "Reatrd" "Priomaray"
are typos caused by too fast typing
at least i can articulate myself in english ,,, you seem too understand pretty well what im saying
i offer you once again to answer me in german ...
plus i hate english language , so i dont really intended to sound "intelligent" by using your incest language^
and wrong : they are not spelled fairly similar ... they are spelled as germans would read it
Dirkovic80 4 months ago
funny loser ,,, you need to go of topic all the time in order to feel a lil better ...
you think an american incest brain could teach me something essential ?
haha , you are allready proud if you know the roots of words like "primary" ohoh you got my deepest respect
fuckin poser... go try to impress people of your kind (mb you got your arrogance from arguing with uneducated yankee shits, and thought all the world is as closeminded as you) you only make me laugh out loud the more you write
Dirkovic80 4 months ago
@Dirkovic80 I'm glad I can entertain. But seriously, I would recommend those books. By the way, you've mentioned that I've been reading the wrong historical works of scholarship on several historical figures. Would you mind giving a few examples so I read the "correct" works? (writing the title, and the author would be fine). It doesn't matter if they're in German or not, since I have several musicologists to talk to about German biographies, and can ask them what they think of your suggestions.
ShaneyElderberry 4 months ago
@ShaneyElderberry
i read the mozart biography by niemetscheck, nissen, mathilde ludendorff and gunther duda (the newest work of those 4)
i read mozarts collected letters in facsimile (german ofc)
i read several bach original copies which are available in germany but i wont link you to it becase haters didnt deserve this present ^
the biography of bach by forkel
plus several material by their contemporaries
among it i dont think i have to mention basic knowledge about other composers
Dirkovic80 4 months ago
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@ShaneyElderberry
"Die Sprache ist ein Spiegel eines Volkes; wenn wir in diesen Spiegel schauen, so kommt uns ein großes, treffliches Bild von uns selbst daraus entgegen."
Schiller
Dirkovic80 4 months ago
@ShaneyElderberry
basic knowledge are such things like how beethoven got treated by his father etc. its basics ... not worth to ornate yourself all the time with your basics and your millions of your "professors" and musicologist who all (ofc) fear your knowledge and skills
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@ShaneyElderberry
"Your quote itself proves that they had to go elsewhere for appreciation. " again bullshit
it proves taht mozart was a proud nationalist and estimated france and england as minor compared to germany
there are other quotes by mozart which proof that mozart didnt have much respect for france and england
all the greatest composers stood in germany
they didnt went to england or poland ... only a few did so , such as haendel
Dirkovic80 4 months ago
@ShaneyElderberry
btw. each week bach composed a cantata over a german text ( he loved to use luthers german texts for his cantatas etc.)
Dirkovic80 4 months ago
@Dirkovic80 If you'd like to speak about what his Cantatas were written in, you have to remember that at least half of all his congregations were made up of the less-educated German individuals in and surrounding the town. In The New Bach Reader, Bach and many of the rectors complained about the dichotomy, and had little tolerance for their lack of knowledge and taste (French courtly mannerisms). Lutherism in middle to north eastern German looked to Luther's music because it was canon.
ShaneyElderberry 4 months ago
@ShaneyElderberry
well kid i dont go on reading your other bullshit comments ,
i dont have time for jealous losers like you , be proud on your ugly english history im proud on german history ^
and btw u dont need to visit an academy to learn latin and greek , in germany it was usus for smart people to learn these languages , wethe if you visited an academy or not !
mozart spoke latin and greek very good and he still preferred german
Dirkovic80 4 months ago
The issue was not who's language is "better," but what languages apply to creativity? Both. At the same time, both German and English were "insufficient" as far as academic writing is concerned. You made this a nation issue, not me.
ShaneyElderberry 4 months ago
@ShaneyElderberry
martin luither and js bach also preferred the german language
here is an example of what luther said (luther also translated the entire bible into german ,, but german intellectuals didnt like german language huh ?):
"Die Sprachen sind die Scheiden, darin das Messer des Geistes steckt."
or leibnitz:
"Alles. was sich nicht mit Mitteln der Volkssprache auseinandersetzen läßt, damit ist es nichts."
Dirkovic80 4 months ago
@Dirkovic80 I've read this information from, professors of history and music, who probably understand the nuances of German culture and language far greater than yourself. Just because you speak German, doesn't mean you're the equivalent of a historian with two doctorates in musicology and history. I'm willing to admit that I don't know everything, but when I read letters from Mozart's father Leopold speaking so well of England in the 1760s, why should I believe you?
ShaneyElderberry 4 months ago
@ShaneyElderberry
conclusion:
latin and greek were and will always be a must for educated people .. but it doesnt mean that you have to estimate it bigger than german language. all the greatest germans loved exessively their german language
and there was no1 that had respect for the english donkey language
Dirkovic80 4 months ago
@Dirkovic80 You know well that W.A. Mozart wouldn't stand a chance at reading theological arguments in the Compedium locorum theologicorum by Leonhard Hutter or the Newton's Principia Mathematica like Bach's faculty in Ohrdruf. In Stanley Sadie's book "Mozart: The Early Years, 1756-1781," it mentions the awe and delight of Mozart's family in England, and their wish to stay or import English culture to Austria (for the English loved the arts and paid plenty for it).
ShaneyElderberry 4 months ago
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Shortly after Bach had died, his genius was equated to that of the most popular genius of science in the late Baroque era, the English Isaac Newton - who there is certainly no equal to as far science and math are concerned, existing in Western history. While I can agree that German speaking countries have produced a lot as far as the humanities go, you've overdone it with your assertions against English speakers.
ShaneyElderberry 4 months ago
Very nice, thank you!
bachbukowski 2 years ago
Thx for watching :]
ClassicalBeerGuy 2 years ago
what was that wound on his head? and why did he yell?
bachspirit 2 years ago
yes that sucked
AristYdes 2 years ago
just doent make sense
bachspirit 2 years ago