McCotter on Hardball (2.22.2010) Part 1

[davidtg445A]

Matthews got schooled.  What a jackass.

[rushindulen]

Fuck you, thaddeus.

[t8114jg]

Chris Matthews is brain dead if he thinks the government can provide for all the needs and wants for all people. Why doesn't the government just give us everything and we can all retire. The government tried to give houses to people that could not pay for them. We all know how that worked out. In case you don't know ... The government doesn't have any money unless they take it from the citizens.

[Instantrebate1]

Chris Mathews is a complete moron. He has a total of 37 viewers, nation wide and he still thinks his opinions are "main stream". He's lost in his own little world. Well, I have to go, Fox News is coming on.

[BUFFBOOF]

To suggest that since car insurance is required then so should health insurance is idiotic. Car insurance is required if you choose to have the luxury of a car but life is a right not a luxury so why should we be required to insure your own life or face penalty. Now dont get me wrong, i think people should have health insurance but they should have the freedom to choose.

[elarson77]

Thad seems to know all the right reasons to oppose Gov takeovers. I like this guy.

[rushindulen]

fuck you, thaddeus.

[kickyerass]

@rushindulen Typical liberal; can't debate this man's brilliance- so you disparage him. Just as your puppet-masters do! Have some more kool-aid!!

[stater68]

Go Thad!

[tvjustice]

All have strings attached.

[4everconservative]

Loved your segment on Greta last night, Congressman. Continue to speak the truth, and get those constituent letters signed - much better way to spend your time!

[fuzzybekool]

FROM THE PELOSI HEALTH CARE BILL:

Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years. [page 3]

[4everconservative]

Yeah, this has nothing to do with taking our liberties and freedoms away - nothing unconstitutional about this...in Pelosi's own words, "are you serious?"

These people have got to be defeated in November, if we can't get them out before.

[RayDAider]

I want to move to Livonia just so I could vote for Rep. T. McCotter, but my vote is sorely needed to to help unseat Dingell here in the 15th district.

Keep up the good work!

[4everconservative]

I wish you good luck, Ray, and wish I could help you with that, because he surely needs to go!

[4everconservative]

The Health Care bill is UNCONSTITUTIONAL - the gov't cannot force citizens to purchase something they do not want. This is another attempt to shove this on us - the people have spoken, and we have said NO. Thank you, Thaddeus, for standing up for us - we know it is not easy to be pummeled by the left-wing media, ridiculed by the liberals who use emotion instead of law to gain even more control over our economy, We need more like you!

[kamanu47]

Social Security, Medicare, and even the Air Force are unconstitutional in the classic sense. Does this mean that our constitution is a document written in stone and that it cannot be amended as society evolves? This is not the same world as that of T. Jefferson. Your argument is that I want access to world class medical but I don't want to be forced to pay for it. How does that work? You are looking at this from the consumer point of view, consider the delivery of the service.

[4everconservative]

What I am looking at is having to pay for others who should be paying for their own. More than 50% of my paycheck goes to one government agency or another, and I am NOT ABOUT to give control over my healthcare decisions and 1/6 of the US economy to a govt who can't keep those unconstitutional Social Security and Medicare programs out of bankruptcy. I am not about to be FINED or JAILED because I refuse to comply with a demand that I purchase something if I don't want to.

[kamanu47]

Your argument would be fine in a perfect world that is everyone able pay their own, but that is not the way our medical insurance system allows for. So if I am not able to get insurance but require expensive care beyond what I could possibly pay what are suggesting I do? I am not 55 and I make too much for medicaid but not enough to pay expensive medical care but cannot get insurance. What do I and the other 30 million Americans do?

[4everconservative]

My argument is fine in the REAL world - you are not my responsibility, and I am not yours. My family and I volunteer, and give generously to our church and to charities we believe in, so don't think we are not caring people. But I WILL NOT have a government tell me what I MUST pay for, for others. And especially not the 12-15 million ILLEGAL ALIENS which would be covered under this atrocity. This bill is about taking CONTROL of a big portion of our economy, and deciding who lives/dies.

[kamanu47]

What are you talking about... so an individual is not responsible if diagnosed with cancer and his/her insurance company refuses to pay for treatment. Not an illegal or unemployed, but but not rich and able to pay for the full set of treatments. I may not be crazy about the progressive plan but what you are suggesting is cruel. You make contradictory statements in which you say you are not your bother's keeper but yet you say that does not make you caring. Wow... Where did we go wrong!

[4everconservative]

There you go again with emotion - cruel? Come on. Am I allowed to tell you that you can't smoke, drink alcohol, have unprotected sex, eat too much, so that you remain as healthy as possible, so I don't have to pay for excess care needs? NO. Therefore, since I do not have the right to tell you how to live, you do not have the right to tell me I have to pay for your mistakes. Get real. There are payment plans for those who can't pay in full. Being caring does not mean being taken for a ride.

[kamanu47]

So you assume that all diseases (cancer as an example) have a known antecedent? Statistically you are vulnerable to lung cancer if you smoke (increase in 35% probability). The other factors you mention have less than a 5% probability to promoting most cancers. The remaining causes of cancer are complex (naturally occurring mutagenesis, oxygen stress, etc.). So then what do you say to that mother of two who has NOT been reckless in her behavior and yet has cancer? Too expensive to treat?

[4everconservative]

No, that's what the government will say, when they decide that the care she needs will cost more than what she is worth to keep around. Hopefully, she will have had her two kids at a young age, since the younger she is, the more dollar value she will have. Your use of sad-sack what if's do not justify making American citizens pay for her care.

[kamanu47]

You obviously do not understand Medicare. There is no rationing that goes on in that system. I will agree that both the house and senate bills stink. I would propose that they just make Medicare for all. That way people can buy supplemental insurance for cadillac service.

[4everconservative]

Medicare is going BANKRUPT. Social Security (you know, the funds in the lockbox that are no longer there, because they have been stolen/given away to illegals, etc) is going BANKRUPT.  The Post Office is MILLIONS IN THE RED. Amtrak, another government-run entity, going BANKRUPT. And you want to give them the ability to BANKRUPT our healthcare system in its entirety? Go live in Venezuela.

[kamanu47]

And who did this, the GOP.

[salinagrrrl69]

Not to mention they want control of the energy industry with phoney 'GREEN' tech as well as home mortgage, student loans, The Auto industry and giving over to unions (the idiots that wrecked and totaled the auto industry) over share holders, the medical HC industry, Card check to insure that what is WRECKING the country and bankrupting cities and states is everywhere and exempted from taxation on HC plans - OH MAUIH GAUD! Wreck it with whats wrecked it to 'save it'?

IDIOTS IDIOTS IDIOTS IDIOTS

[4everconservative]

Here''s the "rationing" in that system: Medicare pays the doctor/hospital what they want to pay, when they want to pay it. Most doctors do not want to take Medicare patients because they will not be reimbursed properly or in a timely manner. Putting everyone on a Medicare system would destroy this country.

[kamanu47]

As one who has and sometimes works in the medical industry, I whole heartedly disagree with your assumption. Most of my physicians friends would also counter your assumption. Medicare is lot easier to deal with than the abusive actions and pay outs they get from private industry. What we need to save medicare go back to that crappy modernization plan put forth by the previous admin and fix what they screwed up.

[salinagrrrl69]

I have two relitives that are Docs. They loose money - income on Medicare. One lpans if this bad deal goes thru to retire. His employees are unemployed and his area will not have a family care doc. He'd rather he says have private insr. They too do not always want to pay for everything but he has to do defensive medicine due to trial lawyers. Damned if he do - Damned if he don't.

[ARealAmericanVa]

@kamanu47 alot easier to deal with medicare? you meen the fact that they only get paid 60% of the bill? how would you like to only get 60% of your paycheck? the whole reason private insurance is going up is because they have to make up the difference that medicare doesn't cover. the insurance companies have to cover that 40%.

[kamanu47]

@ARealAmericanVa not necessarily true. I have worked in the medical industry and understand the repayment procedure. The story of medicare payments is a complicated one, but to suggest that medicare pays less than private insurance is not true. In fact in some areas of the country private insurance (like where I live) uses medicare standard reimbursements. I challenge you to google the name William Hsiao to find just a part of the repayment story. Sorry I don't agree with your argument.

[salinagrrrl69]

Got that right. Hey there! Are you in the later years of life? I am 50 next week and time goes fast. This is NOT GOOD! Paying Medicare to ilegal aliens - part of that 30 million 1/2 of that 30 million from a broke program - then having amnesty....WE ARE SUNK!!!!!!!!!!

[4everconservative]

Furthermore, you originally said, "Your argument is that I want access to world class medical but I don't want to be forced to pay for it. How does that work? " -And then you say that you "require" (how come you can "require" it, but I only "want" it?) expensive medical care, but can't afford it - when did you become my responsibility? You are using EMOTION again in an argument that can't be won with it, instead of law and logic.

[kamanu47]

I hope you realize this notion of having the best medical care in this country is a matter of access. Also most of the innovations that make our health care great has been funded through NIH (Federal Government program), examples CAT scans, MRI, etc...

[4everconservative]

I hope you realize that we DO have the best care in the world, & it is precisely because there are innovative private medical companies who take the risk & use their own capital to research & discover. In this lovely bill you tout, the gov't is putting taxes on any innovations in medical care; they will tax all medical supply companies for equipment supplied, & will limit the amount of those wonderful services we have now by RATIONING. You are looking for an ideal, they are looking for control

[kamanu47]

What I will say is that we have a lot of innovation and the capacity to deliver the "best" health care, but that system is not delivered evenly throughout the population. I can tell you from direct experience that most of the great innovations are government funded (NIH). In other words you payed for the intellectual rights of those already (taxes). The medical supply companies you refer to: insurance (up 56% in profits), drug (72%) and manufacture (35%). Has your wages gone up as much?

[4everconservative]

WHERE in the constitution does it say that anything must be distributed evenly in our society? Do I get as much steak as you do? Do you pay more for water than I do? Please cite your references showing the NIH funds MOST of the innovations - simply not true. This is a capitalist republic, not a socialist society, and the PRIVATELY owned companies are entitled to make whatever the market bears. I own my own business, so my wages DEPEND ENTIRELY ON MY HARD WORK AND EFFORT.

[kamanu47]

Constitution does not state equal distribution of good, but it also does not allow for an Air Force, does that mean we abolish the Air Force? Please, access to steak or any other food in excess is not equivalent to having access to medical care. MRI was developed at U of Chicago at Urbana, CAT Scan at U of T in Austin both are land grant institutions that depend almost exclusively on NIH and NSF support for research.

[4everconservative]

The Constititution allows for the SECURITY OF OUR NATION - I think the Air Force definitely qualifies as providing security to our citizens. Wow, CAT scan and MRI - that's "most" of the innovations? Again, get real. Don't like the steak or water? How about, you need a roof over your head - should that be provided to everyone? Every citizen needs food to survive - should we pay for that for everyone? And we all need water - should that be "given" to everyone? PAY YOUR OWN WAY.

[kamanu47]

It also says to government will protect us from foreign and DOMESTIC foes. In my eyes but probably not yours (we will not come to any agreement and thus post away, but I cannot afford the time to respond any longer) Medical Insurance is a domestic threat to all Americans and thus require some form of protection. And, MRI and CAT are just examples.  Go ahead ask any pharma or biotech company if they would like to do away with Academic research supported by NIH.

[4everconservative]

The domestic FOE we have is the extreme left liberal faction that has insinuated themselves into every office of government. This is not about healthcare - they do not give a rat's whatever about you - they want the power to control this country. Not gonna happen. We do need reform, but not this atrocity. And whatever your obsession with NIH is, it has not one iota to do with the corruption that is the Senate health care bill. Sorry you don't have time for further dialogue and enlightenment.

[4everconservative]

There are thousands of things wrong with what the Dems are putting forth in their "bills"; I am just giving you an overview of what I find most disgusting about it. And so your argument is that, because we already have unconstitutional programs bankrupting us, we should add another one? That makes excellent sense. And yes, I want world class medical, and I am willing to PAY FOR MY OWN, not yours or anyone else's.

[4everconservative]

The Constitution, the most wonderful of documents ever written in my opinion, has been and can be amended when the situation requires it. This is not what is being done; the Constitution is being TRAMPLED ON left and right, with no regard to what the powers given within it are.

[onvogmasaj]

the dilly with car insurance is you arent forced to buy it if you didnt choose to buy a car.

[aqelfaris]

Thanks for cutting through the nonsense of MSNBC, Rep. McCotter.

[mdicino]

Go McCotter!!! We need more like him.

[jpinkard]

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