Trip To Arrakis - Toto - Dune Soundtrack

[DetroitLove4U]

Man - one could put the soundtrack on and hop in bed and have a mindscape into another world with this OST!!!

[divixmage]

Never a drop of rain on Arrakis.

[Gazdatronik]

Holy Shostakovich's 11th symphony, batman!

[bringbackthemusic]

@Gazdatronik Indeed! Well spotted.

[metalheadnick555]

@Gazdatronik Holy shit you're right! I never would have noticed, and that's one of my favorite symphonies. Thumbs up to Toto for using it!

[TURBODORK2]

very underated

[CodyRicheson]

Still gives me goose bumps every time I listen to it.

[drglebov]

this is one of the best scenes in the movie, so mysterious and so awesome and so downright weird with the way the spicing navigators "fold space," but when you read the book, it's....WTF?.....nowhere to be found -- on one page the characters are talking about their relocation to Dune, and on the next page they are already there -- what a huge disappointment -- how anyone says that the book is better than David Lynch's incredible film is beyond me --

[JayGOS117]

Chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar-Shu-CHA­!!!

[Psychmanxx]

The movie was incredible.

After reading the book, the movie looked F***ing s***.

Frank Herbert is amazing.

[JayGOS117]

@Psychmanxx Aye, i've read all six of Frank's books.

Not yet read the nippers books, tho.

[dw053408]

god i love how surreal and otherworldly the dune universe is, and this theme encapsulates that feeling so well.

[MrBloosey1]

i love this sinister-sounding tune.

[DEP717]

Some bag on this movie but I love it. Saw it when I was about 12, late at night, long version. Fell in love with the score, the "Universe," and oh yeah... Sean Young ;)

[jcfbell3001]

@DEP717

yeah, don't forget sean young in blade runner too lol

[jedimaster303]

@jcfbell3001 a fact not easily forgotten ;]

[Robberick]

Arrakis....Dune......Desert Planet.

[Itsaboutthewaterlife]

@Robberick Dude, its only a book. Did you ever think that the children of Arrakis could be the children of earth. Think about it.

[altar7]

I find Toto's atmospheric pieces in this movie far superior to Eno's. The Water of Life for instance is amazing.

[agnernai]

What Eno/Toto & Lynch managed to do was make us forever spoiled. There will never be an other Dune movie worth a red penny.

[sputnik9453]

@agnernai AMEN TO THAT!!! I'll go even further than that by saying the soundtrack/musical score alone should have won an Oscar AND a Grammy!!

[agnernai]

@sputnik9453 I can recall most of the score via Internal Hard Drive (my brain)!!

[TURBODORK2]

there is something very eerie and menacing about this movie and also beautiful

[poplife123]

its still not a bad film and watchable...unlike any of jennifer anistons (et al) films.....some great moments in it including the sound track which includes eno classics (on par with any of his ambient stuff..ie music for airports etc)....i think some of the characters were so spot on in this film....ie the witches....paul...jessica.....­some not....sting...i think they should get the guy who's dis pans laberinth to do a remake including all the sequels......the sleeper has awoken....

[Ladysn1ff]

Although I would agree this is Lynch's worst film,I would not dismiss it's strengths.It captures the vastness and coldness of the book,if not the political intricacy.

Not sure that Ridley Scott would have done any better(Bladerunner being my all-time cinematic favourite).As for Jodorowsky's vision of the film,Salvador Dali as the Emperor of the known universe sitting on a stylized dolphin toilet,nah,sorry,bad call. I would agree that Alfonso Cuaron might have the craft to direct a remake :)

[Johnlindsey289]

@Ladysn1ff

Did you know Lynch hates this movie, disowned it and doesn't like to talk about it even in interviews? he even walks out of interviews if this movie is ever mentioned for it's a wound and nearly killed his career. A new Dune should be good in a 3 part LOTR style epic like how Jackson did with LOTR, but do you think Star Wars and Avatar are the same thing as Dune books already? they are similar.

[Ladysn1ff]

@Johnlindsey289 Seem to remember an interview from way back where he did talk about Dune (maybe 20 years ago),and he deeply regretted how it turned out.I had the impression that he got the job too early into his career,and found the project overwhelming.Fortunately his career recovered and he went on to be one of the more interesting directors. Dune's similarity to Star Wars?,well Lucas was influenced by a great many things,the most apparent to me being Kurosawa's films.Not seen Avatar yet :)

[johnnyLikeVideo]

only the slow blade penetrates the shield

[Johnlindsey289]

The worst film of David Lynch's career! there were two bad omens why it was doomed, one was theaters handing out pamphlets that had terminology to teach people about languages and terms in the movie and the second warning sign was the introduction in the beginning of the film which means it's in trouble. Lynch was a poor choice to do an adaptation of my fave book and he hates it so much he disowned it

[TURBODORK2]

@Johnlindsey289 WHY? the film is slightly confusing but the atmosphere is incredible. im sure it probably missed things from the book like jurassic park did and most movie adaptions do

[sajdera]

One of my favorite scenes from any movie I've ever seen. It makes space travel seem absolutely terrifying and exciting at the same time.

[mobius1aic]

While yes, the movie is a bad adaptation of the book, it has some very cool, unique and wondrous qualities about it that I think you can't get in any other movie. It's like DetroitLove4U is saying how it's "esoteric".

[Johnlindsey289]

@mobius1aic

They are gonna re-adapt the book again on the big screen as 3 or 4 parts with searching for a director who is talented and is a fan of the novel and will respect the book, they need Alfonso Cauron of Children of Men fame to do the new movie and make it as great as Lord of the Rings. I hope it erases the memory of this bad parody.

[DetroitLove4U]

I'm sure people in the Soviet Union at this time could heavily respect this esoteric film and the masterpiece soundtrack. 

[Hyshinara]

This makes me want to play Dune 2000 again :D

My first RTS ever, also one of the first games I ever played n____n

[CodyRicheson]

I think both Eno and Toto did amazing work on this soundtrack. It's hard to imagine anything better, save for the score from The Shining, but that's whole other beast.

[Gizziiusa]

@CodyRicheson fair enough. ill have to "revisit" The Shining since you mention such. C'est la vie ! considering there is a "Shining" bar just down the street from me here in Chiang Mai with ole Nicholson's face on it on Huey Kaew Rd. gratias tibi ago

[petunia3331]

This movie was so well done. So visionary. It's too bad it was lost on simple minds who wanted explosions instead. I would LOVE a quality remake, but again, ESPECIALLY now that teens seem to be the only thing Hollywood cares about, that would never happen. If I saw Rob Pattinson as Paul I would jump off the highest building wearing dynamite underwear. Maybe Fincher could do the remake...eno soundtrack...NO YOUNG ACTORS. And no dumbed down script. Screw the simple minded.

[Johnlindsey289]

@petunia3331

This movie as a disgrace to the book, a pure abortion of bad acting, confusion, bad editing and miscasting. Lynch should have never directed this movie, it's just a 47 million dollar mess compared to the brilliant novel.

[Andernerd]

@petunia3331 Agreed. Screw the simple minded. Makes me think of the Wheel of Time series, the only one I can think of that's more complex than Dune.

[vigo894]

@petunia3331= It was one of the first sci-fi films after the Star Wars trilogy that I saw. Where else are you gonna see a movie with giant worms and Sting together?

In fact I know I'm being obvious here. The original novel helped inspire Star Wars.

[Johnlindsey289]

@vigo894

The novel is brilliant stuff and Alejandro Jorowosky's vision would have been grand as would have Ridley Scott's! Did you know Lynch hates this movie and disowns it? the novel did influenced Star Wars and even inspired Stargate, Avatar, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind, The Matrix, Star Trek movies, Fifth Element, Dark City and many more.

[ChronologieIV]

@petunia3331 well said

[yazarogi]

@petunia3331 Hell ya man, I don't know if it's true or not, but I heard presidential speeches have to be written at a third grade level.... WHAT ... THE.... FU*******

Why is our population so ****ing STUPID?!

[Shaitan111]

@petunia3331 i really love your way of saying what will happen if rob pattinson was Paul, made me chuckle... but oh, you are so right.

[HighPriestofLemuria]

@petunia3331 One caveat, Patrick Stewart plays the Padisha Emperor Shaddam IV.

[SuperHeroMania]

@petunia3331 Young actors are fine... just make sure they can get the job done right like Harry Potter's actors did

[Mentatskillz]

@petunia3331

I respect the sentiment expressed here, but Paul Atreides was 15 in the first book. Young actors would be fine for young roles, but it would be best if they were complete no-names.

[MrBloosey1]

@petunia3331 what a novel idea. dynamite underwear! why didn't i think of that?

[NoobUBoob]

for anyone into the music. composer bart klepka created a tune (doomed-on- dune) has a cool version of dune(death of the duke). it is combined with the theme from doom. can be found on the videogame website fileplanet. found under game soundtracks. just follow the chart below.

Home / General / Media / Music / Game Related / Other/ Doomed-On-Dune

[Geordie1025]

put the pick in there pete, and turn it round, real neat.

[noshi69]

@Geordie1025

LOL,, yeah, turn it round, 'real neat' 

[hozayamz]

"I'll miss the sea."

[bloosey1]

has a very sinister overtone to it ,but i like it.

[Launcher27]

Arrakis... Dune... Desert Planet!

[VannevarBush]

when=if... sry

[VannevarBush]

I love this song. It opens my heart every time I hear it, letting the prophecy in.

When there is a truth at all, then I guess it surely is the "prophecy".

[transfoby]

spice melange - oil; planet Arrakis - Iraq:

Emperor Shaddam - Sadam Husein...enough said!

[loltoffe]

Never liked Toto, at all, but this is beautiful, haunting <3

[bowlochile]

by TOTO

[neosonologists]

Eno's 'Prophecy' theme gets all the love from this film, but I think I actually prefer this piece for its atmospheric effect.

[sidious76]

Yeah i agree mate. This is even more 'face of God' style music than the 'Prophecy' theme. To be honest i actually always found the Guild/Navigators/Heiliners/Fol­ding Space to be the most mysterious and haunting part of the whole story. If you take a good look at the story, it is the Guild who are the REAL power in the known Universe and Paul's greatest concern. He has to make the ultimate threat of 'civilisation's annihilation' in order to subjugate them.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

Interesting you should mention that.

Creepier, and creepier; maybe the ancient Hebrew messiah of prophecy, and modern ashkenazi Jews, will turn out to be enemies. If I remember my old testament, he is supposed to be a descendant of David (of which there are many), and semitic, through and through.

I still disagree though; The Guild, much like European Jews are more lapdogs than people who control anything.

[sidious76]

I don't actually believe the Ashkenazi are a Semitic people or of the line of David. Just like i don't believe these Black Hebrews from the USA or elsewhere are the real Jews either. Most real Jews either stayed in the middle east or migrated into southern/western Europe - the Sephardim. The Ashkenazis are Jewish by faith yes, but their origins do not lie in Ancient Israel/Canaan. So they have no 'right of return.' But even if the Khazar theory is a lie/mistake, it doesn't matter.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

you're right most are not, in all, like I said, roughly 20% of American ashkenazi Jews have a paternal lineage going back to Levi, and that number jumps to 30% in Israel. The reason there is so much paternal European blood among ashkenazi Jews, is because greedy ashkenazi fathers gave their daughters in marriage to powerful European nobles to secure fortunes. The fools literally bred themselves into near extinction.

[sidious76]

I read an article recently describing how the overwhelming majority of people in the city of York, England were descended from the original Viking settlers - (Danes.) That over the 1300 years since they haven't actually mixed with the surrounding Anglo-Saxon and Celt populations much. So their DNA is overwhelmingly Scandinavian/Danish. So are they entitled to land in Denmark now then? Could you imagine the global incredulity if a bunch of Yorkists dumped themselves in Copenhagen demanding land??

[pillsburydoughboy47]

the name "York" is derived from the old Norse "Yorvjik" Even the sound of the word "York" has a decidedly Germanic tone to it, it doesn't sound Celtic at all.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

To turn that argument on its head even further, try to imagine if the whole of Australia wanted to return to Ireland and Wales; Australians are overwhelmingly Celtic, there is very little German blood there. Regarding the whole "right of return thing" here I have to disagree though; for one, middle eastern Jewish numbers, are not that large.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

First, second, and while the Canaanites richly deserved their fate, as they were a grotesquely cruel people and trust me NO ONE should claim that heritage, although the Arabs don't talk about it, they have found skeletal remains of small children throughout ancient sacrifical altars in Jordan, confirming that Joshua had the morally high ground.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

When Israel was taken by the Arabs, she was abandoned by her Byzantine occupiers, who were continuing the Roman empire. General Khalid, slaughtered all males who could grow pubic hair, the women were sold into concubinage, and the boys into slavery. As a matter of fact, many Mameluke slave soldiers were Jews. Why do you think you find Egyptians who look like Jeff Goldbloom? Many, ended up staying in Egypt.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

I know Britain, if that is where you live, has some of the most obscure works of history anywhere, a word of friendly warning, do not read middle eastern history, in the words of Dr. Zaes from the original "Planet of the Apes;"

"You may not like what you find."

[sidious76]

Ha nice quote(Dr. Zaes) What of the Khazars though? I mean the very history of Khazaria is conspicuous by its relative absence. The Magyars(Hungarians) have far more historical material regarding their heritage and they were subordinates to the Khazars within the empire. Then like i said there is the small problem of Hungarians and Ashkenazis sharing all the same haplogroups/haplotypes? I don't believe the Khazars just disappeared. The Kievan Rus displaced them west into Eastern/Central Europe.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

The Khazars I think were exterminated by either Ivan, or Peter, I think it was Ivan actually. You know full well that in the same way the different Celtic peoples of Europe did not always get along, I mean just look at the wars with Britain and France, it was the same with the Slavs. The Khazars were really powerful, and Ivan feared they would expand into Russia if he did not wipe them out so, he sent in his Cossacks to exterminate them. I'm sure SOME ashkenazi are Khazars but not many.

[sidious76]

No mate. Between 965 - 969, Khazarian sovereignty was broken by Sviatoslav I of Kiev. They became a subject people of the Kievan Rus'. Gradually displaced by the Rus, Kipchaks, and later the conquering Mongol Golden Horde, the Khazars largely disappeared as a culturally distinct people. They migrated west into eastern/central Europe. I believe many Khazars settled in the Rhineland. It was in the Rhineland that the Ashkenazi and their language of Yiddish appeared around 1000 A.D. Coincidence??

[sidious76]

Please forgive me for correcting you twice (i appreciate you have a great deal of knowledge regarding many topics, but i've devoted a lot of time to researching the Khazars,) but the Khazars were not Slavs. They were Hunns - a 'Turkic' people. They were not 'Slavic.' The very few pictures/sculptures/descriptio­ns of them that do remain portray them as a Caucasion/Mongoloid hybrid race of people or 'mixed race.' Their language had a great deal of Mongol in it.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

that's just the problem; most ashkenazi Jews I've seen don't look asian.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

They are usually one of those WASP Jews (like Alicia Silverstone), or, one of those "Arabid" ones.

[sidious76]

The reason? Because despite what most Ashkenazi Jews claim, they have 'mixed' with the surrounding Germanic and Slavic populations since Khazaria was destroyed. Like you said they 'got into bed' with the European nobility using money, which they are talented at ammassing and hoarding. So a millenia of interbreeding has led them to look the way they do. Your a funny guy, what is a WASP Jew? :0)

[pillsburydoughboy47]

White Anglo Saxon Protestant, the traditional breed of "white" in America. They didn't just go to bed with European nobles in a figurative sense either; like I said, many from among the prettier Jewish girl's greedy fathers, were given to nobility in marriage. That whole "your mother needs to be Jewish" bullshit? That's a case of democracy gone wrong.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

regarding the Jewish mother thing, and its ties with democracy; maternal ancestry isn't mandatory because God said so, but because there are so fucking many mother only ashkenazi Jews, that on force of numbers alone, they forced that doctrine, despite the FACT, that the Tanakh follows paternal lines. Like I said; a case of democracy gone wrong.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

However, paternal descended Crypto Jews, their numbers are much higher; there are only 14 million ashkenazi Jews in the world, as opposed to 35 million potential hidden Hebrews, in the middle east. There is a genetic disorder, although not unique to the Hebrew people, it occurs with highest frequency among men of Hebrew ancestry, than it does among Arabs, its called hemolytic anemia, or red blood cell anemia and it varies in severity.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

Hemolytic anemia is carried via the Y chromosome, and its chances of becoming active are more than doubled, if the woman is also a carrier, that is why the disorder is so agressive among Iraqi Jews in particular. I myself suffer from it; if I consume aspirin, I will become very ill, and weak.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

In fact I am seriously considering moving someplace high altitude to increase my red blood cell count. Moving on; all total, there are 17.5 million men in the middle east, some semitic, others "Kurdish," who suffer from the disorder, and as men are only half of the population, if you count their women, that's 35 million people, the 10 lost tribes of Israel, now number 35 million.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

Creepy isn't it?

Frank Herbert talked about "The Fremen's hidden numbers."

maybe I was wrong, and in fact "the fremen" are not the Arabs, but the lost tribes of Israel.

Seriously this Dune novel is kind of creeping me out; although the Bible predicted a Messiah, Herbert, is giving us the DETAILS. I seriously think "Dune" is in fact a prophetic work, disguised as a cheesy sci fi novel.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

The Messiah, will be born into wealth, be very well educated, in fact like Paul Atreides he may even have three mentors and a "badass" bodyguard. Then for whatever reason, could be a new wave of anti semitism in Europe, could be Arab terrorism, his family ends up massacred, and he has to seek refuge among the Arabs of all people. Its happened before you know; Jews being forced to flee to Arab countries.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

I know this is probably the most idiotic thing I will ever type on youtube, but, the "Dune" novel needs to be taken more seriously than even Nostradamus' prophecies. Nostradamus speaks in riddles, and good luck understanding the fuck, Herbert though, he seriously creeps me out. The Biblical king david had a "badass" right hand man; chances are so will the messiah.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

By the way, Frank Herbert was an atheist, or so he claimed; he didn't believe in Messiahs, and subsequent "Dune" novels were a slam on the idea. However countless people have made disclaimers; Nostradamus disguised his own prophecies as "entertainment" to protect himself rom the Church. In Herbert's time, in the 60's, there was a rise in secularism, and in the academic circles he ran in, a condemnation of anything with the stink of mysticism in it.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

It would have been dangerous to Herbert's reputation as an author to claim any belief in the supernatural, or claim he had psychic powers. Myself personally? If I had psychic powers myself, I would not go around broadcasting it. Wouldn't YOU be private about it?

That stuff scares people, and not everyone understands, or has even a sense of respect for the dignity of others. If Herbert WAS psychic, again I think he may have been the "real deal," "Dune" is way too close to home.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

Oh yeah, lastly; like I said the Khazars are extinct, they were killed off by the Ivans. That whole DNA bullshit was both political ploy, and a malicious way to hurt both the Arabs, and mizrahi Jews.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

I'm from the state of Idaho by the way.

"Duncan Idaho?"

Apparently, the Messiah's bodyguard will be some dude from the state of Idaho with scottish descent. Southern Idaho I know, has a town that in days past was populated by Scots. There is a town near the border of Wyoming I think, populated by Welsh. Tragically though the rest of this state is German; Celtic peoples are generally less assholeish than other whites, and at least they have a concept of justice.

[VannevarBush]

@pillsburydoughboy47

So this means that the prophecy will be fulfilled.

"Assholeish" is an interesting term btw.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

for the most part; not always.

I've met more than my share of asshole Irish around here.

[sidious76]

'I've met more than my share of asshole Irish around here.'

I'm half Irish mate. Ahahahaha. Don't worry though i'm not offended. I'm half Irish, half Hungarian. But i happen to have been born in England, so i'm 'British.' My mother came here as a child with her parents from Ireland. My father fled here as a teenager when the Soviet Communists had occupied Hungary following WW2. Regarding the Irish i agree. I've always said they like to fight, but they're not 'ruthless.'

[sidious76]

I was taught to box by the Irish side of my family. They're all rough lads, but most of them have a heart of gold deep down. Its easy to get on with Irish folk - just be yourself. They hate the pretentious and can smell them a mile away. They tend to call them out. Scots are the same, maybe more aggressive. But in both cases when you make friends with a Celt, it tends to be for life. They don't pick their friends on the basis of 'usefulness/convenience' but rather likeability. Which is how i am.

[sidious76]

I'll remember the phrase 'WASP.' The original colonists of north America were the white British or WASPs. They committed genocide against the indigenous Amerindians gradually. I think there are only 3 million native Americans now living in the whole of the USA and Canada combined? Wow... thats one hell of a 'pogrom' as Herbert called the Sardaukar's massacres of peoples in Dune.

[sidious76]

I guess the 2 real points we disagree on are:

The origins of the Ashkenazi / disappearance of the Khazars.

And then secondly, that the Ashkenazi Jews of the world are mere lapdogs to the WASPs.

I personally believe, along with many others, that the Ashkenazi Central Bankers have usurped command of the WASPs from the traditional royal monarchies of Europe's past. It really began to take shape in 1776 with N.M. Rothschild and his brothers.

[creamomeat]

@sidious76

Don't foget the J.P.Morgan, and Rockafeller famalies also.

[sidious76]

@creamomeat Yes i know JP Morgan and JD Rockefeller were not Jewish and neither are their progenies. Thats why i said the 'overwhelming majority' of these Oligarchs are Jewish instead of 'all.' But glad to see you're up on it all.

[sidious76]

The great enemy of the world today is Oligarchy. The overwhelming majority of these Oligarchs are Ashkenazis. If they were Nordic Aryans i would still be against them and their ideals. That is the situation we are in and have to deal with. It is very dificult to call them out though, without immediately being labelled an 'anti-semite.' So i am very aware of the fact that the only way to solve the world's core problems, is with the assistance of good Jewish people around the world. Laters.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

Most ashkenazi Jews are German, Polish, or Russian, the minority 20% that descends from Jacob, are individuals with Sephardic ancestry. During the Spanish expulsion of 1492, a lot of Sephardic Jews went to live with the ashkenazi communities.

[sidious76]

They were originally Tengri Shamanists. The sudden conversion of the Khazar Emperor, his royal court and the entire nobility to Judaism occured around 740A.D. Conversion then became fashionable within the Empire. As to just how many of the Empire's inhabitants actually converted to Judaism remains difficult to say. I believe most did, just as most Romans converted to Christianity. At this point Khazaria was the largest and most powerful nation in all of Europe. They were a race of mercenaries.

[sidious76]

It all ties in. There was a sudden 'explosion' within the Jewish population of Europe around this time. The migration of the Sephardic Jews into Spain, Portugal, Italy and other southern European countries from the middle east is well documented. Whereas the origins and migrations of the Ashkenazi into Europe are a mystery. Like you say, 20% of Jews in the world today are Sephardic, the other 80% are Ashkenazi. The latter never came from ancient Israel, but are descendants of Khazar converts.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

the khazars are extinct; most ashkenazi Jews are polish or german.

[sidious76]

But the Ashkenazi were in Poland, Russia and Germany before the Sephardim came there to mix with them. There are no records of Germans and Poles converting to Judaism from Christianity, so the Ashkanzi MUST have migrated into those lands from somewhere else. There is no record of the Khazars being exterminated. The Khagan(Emperor) fled to Spain initially. Later his line moved to Flanders and Burgundy in what is now France. Yes most Ashkenazi Jews don't look Asian, but neither do Hungarians.....?

[sidious76]

The problem is whenever you hit an Ashkenazi with the Khazar theory - Ashkenazi Jews are in fact descended from Hunns, which i believe is true, they get very aggressive. They throw a whole host of DNA studies at you conducted by Ashkenazi scientists. All of them become very lost and quiet however, when you point out that the people they are most genetically similar to in the whole world are Hungarians - who are the Magyars - who are descended from the Hunns and Attilla himself. Oh dear....

[pillsburydoughboy47]

Ashkenazi Jews descend from the Hebrews, but only via maternal lines; roughly 80% of them, namely American Jews, have European paternal ancestry while in fact only a minority (20%) are paternally semitic.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

The true history is a lot uglier than you realize; ashkenazi Jews descend, overwhelmingly, from the tribe of Levi, however, only 20% of American Jews, and 30% of ashkenazi Jews in Israel, descend from Levi himself. If you remember your Bible, it was Levi and Simeon, who conspired to sell Joseph as a slave. Even if ashkenazi Jews do descend from the Hebrews, I wouldn't call that a good pedigree; the tribe of Levi, where the nastiest of us, every family has its black sheep.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

yes sidious I'm stalking you.

just kidding man I happened across this track and came across your comment; sorry for bugging you.

[sidious76]

@pillsburydoughboy47

Don't worry mate i'm not worried about being stalked on youtube. Especially if that person has a brain. Its the trolls/retards on here i can't stand. For instance you'll probably get a whole truckload of abuse on here for your views you've expressed. Most of that will come from people who either haven't got a clue what you're talking about or even considered what you've said. Or fans of the material who think you shouldn't use the book/film as a political vehicle.

[sidious76]

@pillsburydoughboy47

Which is a bit silly really, as the whole point of this book was to be debated. I'm sure Herbert would have loved all the theorising over his 'prophetic' work. I don't think an ancient Hebrew Messiah of prophecy would be of the Ashkenazi. Like you theorize he would be a Sephardi, Mizrahi, Semitic Arab. And would turn against the Ashkenazi. I read most of your PM and it was good reading. Its true, one could right a book literallly called 'Dune - hidden meanings' or sme such.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

like I mentioned before, London has a lot of Iraqi Jews, and Britain has arguably the best universities in the world. It IS possible, that the "king of the world" MAY be educated there.

An Iraqi Jew world ruler, with a British accent, educated at Oxford?

Britain MAY have that dubious honor. Of course, Britain would educate the Jew Messiah (the ancient Hebrew one) from childhood, only to have him turn against you, the way Paul did against the houses.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

You never know; there may be an Iraqi Jewish couple somewhere in Britain, that spawned either the Messiah, or the bloodline that will eventually lead to him.

Of course this assumes Herbert was right on the money thing is, the Dune fiction is too "close to home" for comfort. Arrakis, royal houses, the similarity of the name "Atreides" to many Iraqi Jewish surnames, its all really eerie, but also kind of cool!

[sidious76]

@pillsburydoughboy47

Ha i can see your very proud to be Jewish and an Iraqi, as you're convinced of this 'Iraqi Jew born in London theory...' Oh well there's nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage. I'll be completely truthful with you. That I'm actually of the opinion that the real Jews/Israelites/Semites of the world are the Sephardic Jews, Mizrahi Jews and Arabs descended from Jews who long since converted to Islam. Those are the Semitic peoples of this planet.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

If a world King should be educated anywhere, it should be Oxford! Or Cambridge.

[Johnlindsey289]

@neosonologists

I actually think the soundtrack is better than the film itself.

[RabbitWonderful]

Whoa this is a trip! I haven't heard these in years!

Thankyou =)

[BringBackTheEighties]

The Dune soundtrack is one of my favs from the 80s. Its amazing!

[Dalbert342]

@BringBackTheEighties This movie was the reason why I love Sci-Fi today...this and Star Trek TNG hehe I am child of the 80s,what can I say hehe