@YesProp8 profanity? antifamily? i know plenty of same sex couples with children, and they are very happy. a family is a family no matter what the genders of the parents are. would you rather orphaned children have two parents of the same gender, or no parents at all?
i don't understand how a person can be opposed to love. who cares what kind of love it is? why are Prop 8 people so anti-love?
@YesProp8 can someone please tell me how the religious bigots twisted the concept of a gay couple getting married into making themselves seem like victims? EXCUSE ME? The REAL victims here are the gay couples and the children of gay couples who LOST their civil rights due to this blatant discrimination and bigotry. Stop crying victim when you are the aggressors. Prop 8 was like two wolves and one sheep voting on who to eat for dinner. It was an uneven playing field. See you in court!
@YesProp8 anyone who cannot see why voting on the civil rights of a minority as small as the gay community is immoral has some real problems understanding the concept of democracy. Democracy does NOT mean that 95 percent of the population votes to remove the rights of five percent. That's called "Mobocracy." I'm glad the USA has a court system designed precisely to protect the minorities from the tyranny of the majority. Our founding fathers knew exactly what they were doing.
@YesProp8 Why are you so anti-human decency and so filled with hate?
Just so you know: you're losing. You are fighting for the wrong side. You are fighting for a side that opposes civil rights, freedom of and from religion, and equality. 50 years ago you'd be campaigning against inter-racial marriage. And you will lose. Your side always does, in the end.
Gay marriage in New York is only the beginning. And in another 50 years ago your movement will be forgotten.
You fear-mongering jerks. This is just history repeating itself. Remember how slaves couldn't marry, because they were born black? The Bible "defined marriage as between a white man and a white woman." Marriage has ALREADY been "redefined" many times! Besides, what's this BS of teaching marriage to kids? Not even STRAIGHT marriage is taught in school. This video is crap!
The panel had ruled 3-0 that allowing the opposing side to view the pro-family campaign memos would set a precedent detrimental to participation in campaigns and strategists speaking frankly through internal communications.
Same-sex "marriage" activists were seeking to view the "Yes on 8" campaign memos in order to demonstrate that an anti-gay bias fueled California's constitutional amendment banning same-sex "marriage."
A three judge panel for the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco said its December 11 decision overturning Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker's October order to produce the "Yes on 8" documents will stand as a majority of the full court voted not to review the case.
@ma7799 i think that considering 10% of those kids ARE IN FACT GAY, and that also some of them have gay parents, to not teach them that there are others like them, as well as support the oppression of gays by taking away their rights and treating them as lesser human beings will only harm the kids and teach them to be unaccepting. i mean, if you don't like gay marriage, DON'T GET ONE.
You WISH those kids were gay so you can take them under your wing and add them to your movement, which is what this is all about-expanding the homo community.
@ma7799 if someone has gay kids, they are OBLIGED to love this kids and treat them the same as they would treat their straight kids. Children have a tough enough time without having some religious bigots screaming at them that they are "sinners" simply because they were born gay.
@ma7799 the fact remains that nearly 100 percent of gay children are indoctrinated into heterosexuality. The interesting thing is that doesn't change the fact that gay children are being born every day. It's funny how nature keeps doing that, isn't it? I wonder why it is that there are 7000 species of animals that mate with same sex partners. Are they "sinners" with a "deviant", "chosen" lifestyle? Nonsense. Homosexuality is equally as natural and normal as heterosexuality.
@ma7799 oh, yes, it's true. Religious assholes who have gay children and teach them that being gay is a "sin" should be arrested for child abuse. No two ways about it. It is a form of mental abuse that should not go unpunished.
@ma7799 still living in the Midwest and watching boring trains go by? I live where I can see the new 380 double decker Airbus flying in from Germany every day. I bet you've never seen an aeroplane that big, have you?
@ma7799 nope, never been groped by them, sorry to disappoint you. However, you might try a plane next time, because it's much faster. I don't know how I could get to Buenos Aires on a train. Any ideas?
@ma7799 oops, my mistake, I have been groped in Paris and Argentina at the airport. My bad. I think I had to go through a strange kind of X-ray when I went to East Germany and Russia, during the Communist days. Also, China had a similar machine. But, no groping there.
They were five boys in their young teens with troubled families and problems in school.
He hung out with them at the Orem Recreation Center. He bought them clothes, took them out to ride four-wheelers and shoot guns and paid them to help with his tiling business or on his friends' mink farm in Payson.
If all this seems arcane and mundane, dont be fooled. On Monday, January 11, Judge Vaughn Walker, the chief judge of the Northern District of California, is set to commence trial in San Francisco in Perry v. Schwarzenegger.
The document calls for public comments to be submitted as soon as convenient and, in any event, no later than January 8, 2010 — a mere five business days from the publication of the notice. The proposed revision would alter the courts longstanding prohibition on public broadcasting or televising, or recording for these purposes in the courtroom or its environs, in connection with any judicial proceeding.
The revised rule would permit the televising of proceedings as part of a pilot or other project authorized by the Judicial Council of the Ninth Circuit.
Hold on... THIS is the best ad that the Pro-Prop 8 people could come up with, and the majority of the voting public of California still approved of it?
"Oh no! Children will realize that there's gay people in the world! Nooooooo!"
Sorry. Not a good enough reason to deny people rights.
A separate federal lawsuit brought by R-71's sponsors seeks to keep those signed referendum petitions secret.
The petitions are considered public records under state law, but R-71's sponsors claim petition-signers could face harassment by political opponents if their names are released. U.S. District Judge Benjamin Settle is expected to rule in that case this week.
Barbara said she thinks "it's wonderful" that they have been able to find all those names on David's line.
Young also discovered that his family tree does cross with President Young's. Their common ancestor is David Young's eighth-great grandfather and Brigham's third-great grandfather.
A lawsuit in California that was filed last month by angry parents who object to a gay-friendly curriculum they say is being foisted on kindergartners could well become a test case for schools around the country.
Parents in the Alameda Unified School District were refused the right to excuse their kids from classes that would teach all kids in the district's elementary schools about gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender alternative families.
The parents say they are concerned about "indoctrination" in the schools, but administrators say the course is needed to protect against sexual discrimination — and that the lessons are protected by laws in California and 10 other states.
i still don't see what they're doing wrong here. they are teaching kids to tolerate different people so they don't grow up to be homophobic. if parents really care that much about kids being tolerant of gay people, then transfer them to a different school. Gay people should have every right straight people do.
um no when did i say that? i said that teaching kids to be tolerant of gay PEOPLE in school and in life should be taught in school. like i said i never heard anything about gay marriage or even homosexuality in my school. and i don't think it is being taught in schools.
the problem is we should teach TOLERANCE for ALL, not force feed a lifestyle down the throats of school children and then call it tolerance.
Teach children to NOT send terrorizing letters to Mormon Temples, teach them to NOT vandalize Mormon places of worship, teach them to NOT act like a mob and try to shut down Mormon sacred places.
and even if it is being taught somewhere, just because kids are aware of the fact that there IS gay marriage doesn't mean they are going to suddenly become an atheist or something. they will still have their beliefs only they will be tolerant of gay PEOPLE hopefully. If you want to believe homosexuality is wrong fine, but don't make others suffer for YOUR beliefs. all gay people want is the right to get married it's not a big deal.
gay marriage in canada has been legal for more than four years and i have not once heard the term 'gay marriage' uttered in a classroom. in fact i've rarely even hear the word marriage. i'm in grade 9 btw.
thanks I did read it, and the school was not teaching the kids about gay marriage or telling them to accept it. They were teaching TOLERANCE of gay PEOPLE. Because some kids felt bullied, because even very young children were saying "fag".
TOLERANCE of gay people is the stepping stones for it. as a matter of fact, we ARE tolerant of gay people, and if we were not, they would not be allow to show their faces on the street
you shouldn't make other people suffer for your beliefs, morals or opinions. gay marriage is not the end of the world, and if you want to keep thinking it's wrong then go ahead. but let people live their lives. all they want is the right to marry, they're not asking for much.
"We believe that [homosexuality] wasn't God's design," Chambers told FOXNews. "We have a decision to make when it comes to how we steward our sexuality."
Lang contacted Armando Marnoto, co-owner of Valentino's, and told him that if the restaurant hosted the meeting, Know Thy Neighbor might organize a protest.
The romance began in 2000 when Toni had been in New Hampshire visiting friends and Martina decided to join her.
'Our first kiss was outside a 7/11 store,' remembered Toni. 'She offered me an orange, then began crying as she reminisced about the first time she had ever done that to anyone, for her beloved grandmother.
This includes a classic Mercedes Benz, two Land Rovers, a Jeep, a speedboat, two jet-skis, two scooters and two all-terrain vehicles.
It also claims Navratilova, 52, has refused to return gifts including jewellery, a bicycle, ceramic pots, pets and even three guns - two shotguns and a pistol.
The lawsuit claims the couple agreed to 'evenly share' all funds and assets earned and obtained by either while together' when they wed in New Hampshire in 2000.
Hilton said he used the gay slur because he thought it would be the worst thing he could possibly say to will i am. after the musician told the blogger not to write about his band on his Web site. Police charged the band's tour manager with assault for allegedly punching Hilton during the confrontation at a Toronto nightclub early Monday morning.
well i don't agree with this but at least they didn't make as much of ass of themselves. Now why doesn't each church have their own form of marriage. If your ATHIEST it shouldn't matter what it's called if you get your rights. But what about us christian gays? Why doesn't each church decide who can get married? Just go to a church that accepts gay marriage. Even if the government doesn't give you rights it doesnt matter who sees you as married as long as you know you are married aand have rights
"I am proud to be an American. I am proud of the freedoms we enjoy because of the brave men and women serving this great country and who have served. My grandfather served under General Patton during World War II and is someone I admire greatly. ... He did speak about the freedoms he fought for, and taught me to never back down and never let anyone take those freedoms away from you.
On April 19 on that stage I exercised my freedom of speech, and I was punished for doing so. This should not happen in America. It undermines the Constitutional rights for which my grandfather fought."
"In the past, I opposed gay marriage while supporting the idea of civil unions. I have come to believe that this is a question of fairness and of equal protection under the law, and that a civil union is not equal to civil marriage."
same sex marriage does NOT have the same rights as "traditional" marriage. The word isn't the problem- its the lies, both sides. What about divorce?- the oath you take before you get married? there are so many arguments. Treat people the way you want to be treated, no more, no less. The enjoyment you felt when you found someone you loved with all your heart, shouldn't be just for you. everyone should feel safe with the person they love
Miss California Carrie Prejean, blasted by a Miss USA contest judge because she opposes gay marriage, may have grounds for a discrimination lawsuit herself — against the Miss USA pageant, a legal analyst says.
"But in saying marriage should be between a man and a woman it was a reply that may have cost her the Miss USA crown and led to her being called a 'dumb bitch'."
Couples like Chloe Harris, 28, and Frankie Frankeny, 42, who married during the 4 1/2-months same-sex marriage was legal, said they were disheartened by the tone of the hearing and not very hopeful the justices would rule in their favor.
This is not about comparing divorce to "gay marriage;" but about trying to take control of society to make homos feel better about themselves. They will use every useless stat in the book to try and play victim.
That's precisely how it works, sporto. I've had it happen to me on several occasions. Might as well read "comment removed for grievous and unwarranted difference of opinion. Yours truly, Adolf."
Ohh, what. And removing protections for families and the children many of them have is "prochildren?" The whole pro-family, pro-children spin the YES side has is a sad joke.
rofl. Curmudgeonly America, I swear. Words, ideals, beliefs, everything we've learned will change in our time here, some subtly, some completely. Lest we be left behind as a country, these changes are inevitable. Gay marriage will become law. It's the way modernized countries are going, and it's just a matter of time for the US.
Apparently so nekkidandrew. And I couldnt agree more on your ocmment about the bible and gay people. Funny thing is that most (99.99%) think that the bible as we know it today IS how it was written 1000's years ago. They dont know how many many many times was translated, interpretated and studied. Many have translated it and "added" their own interpretation of words which throughout the years have become more and more distorded from the true meaning.
You know what's really hilarious ch5342, every time people like you, want to speak of the misinterpretation or reinterpreting of the bible, it consist only of the parts you disagree with, hahaha! Funny, right!? Not one of you, so called genius ever accuse or question, love thee neighbor , judge not lest ye be judged or thou shall not kill as misinterpretations. Comical!
And where did I say that? Where did I say that the misinterpretation consist only in the parts I disagree with? Have you read my comment at all? If not, read it 2 or 3 more times.
I think this last comment is a classic example of missinterpretation. Thank you for contributing to my point.
That is why I said people like you not just YOU,which included nikkdanderw,who is a Christian that believe God agrees with homosexuality. Your, misspelled quote,was And I couldnt agree more on your ocmment about the bible and gay people You said you agreed(i.e. their interpretation of the bible concerning gays and its context,mirror yours).
So,maybe you should be the one,who reads more carefully, dear..classic example ,yes,of ignorance.Your welcome :)
I think you are the classic example of not only misinterpreting but also putting stuff in my mouth Ive never even implied.
Again, READ my response to nekkidandrew a few more times. I have NEVER NEVER said anything about missinterpretation of the bible concerning gays. Ive generalized the missinterpretation as a whole.
Again, you are a classic example of how to read something, missinterpret it and add your twisted reasoning to it.
ch5342-However, you love to attempt to convince yourself as well as other that the passages about "homosex" being a sin, is all reinterpretations or just ,misinterpreted. So, funny!! Only the passages that dont fit into your "agenda" or support certain, "politically correct" sins, are rewritten! Wow, your sheer ignorance is extremely funny. LOL!
You and nikkidandrew, should be comedians. LOLROTF!!!So,funny!!Stop,please,stop my stomach is hurting,oh so, funny,haha,my eyes are watering,haaha!!
So youve missread my comments, and now you think Im trying to convince myself of something? What are you talking about? How did you conclude that from my comments?
Are you on drugs? Seriously.
And again, thank you very much for keeping up the contributions to my point.
Again,your quote to nekkidandrew "And I couldnt agree more on your ocmment about the bible and gay people. Funny thing is that most (99.99%) think that the bible as we know it today IS how it was written 1000's years ago. They dont know how many many many times was translated, interpretated and studied. Many have translated it and "added" their own interpretation of words which throughout the years have become more and more distorded from the true meaning."
Again and again and again... "the bible as we know it today" .... THE BIBLE.... not a verse, not a sentence, not a foornote... THE BIBLE... what I say next applies to THE BIBLE... understand now? Or you have to go back to reading lessons?
I need reading lessons? Hahaha! You need spell check. Of course am referring to the bible that we speak of today. The point, dear delusional child is you cant believe one part of the bible, and not the other parts, regardless of what passage or versus, they may be. Either, believe it is all correct, or that is all a distorted .You cant say oh, it has been distorted from the true meaning, and then quote from it later. If, you believe it is distorted then dont read it. Point blank!
Oh dear brainless woman. I dont believe in the bible. PERIOD. To me its just another fairy tale, but a very dangerous one becuase it enables people like you to intrude into other peoples life.
But you are far from understanding whats in the bible. If you believe everything in it, you are just delusional. And every time someone tries to justify anything because it is in the bible it just tells me how little support they have to justify their statements.
Oh, dear diluted man, does that mean you are an atheist? Oh goody, not only are you delusional, and confused, your also a narcissistic egomaniac. One question, though, if you dont believe in the bible, why are you agreeing with a Christian like (nekkidandrew)on gays and the bible?
Of course I dont believe in the bible!! And Ive studied it more than you and STILL dont believe in anything in it. However, I can still comment about it, right?
There are people who know how to keep their religious beliefs to themselves. Thats the people I can agree with. Now, many others cannot do that. Thats the people I have a problem with. I agree with what nekkid said because its true what he says. Simple as that.
Furthermore, you state that, as a Christian I far from understanding whats in the bible. Implying that it is understandable, comprehensible, and intelligible which means it is not illogical, at all. Thanks! Wow. You are confused.LOL!!God bless!!:)
HUH? where did you come up with that? Your assumptions are beyond unbelieaveable.... "Implying that it is understandable, comprehensible, and intelligible" --> WTF? Nothing in the bible is based on reason. Its all about faith and believing in what they tell you to. Sorry, I have more brain to "just believe" what an ancient book says to me.
Huh? Duh? You seems slow. You studied the bible, umm, seems more like you attempted to disprove it; nevertheless you studied hard, and still failed. So, maybe it is you who just didnt comprehend. Is it ignorance or apathy? Hey, I don't know and I don't care. Have a blessed day
No need to disprove it. Tons of other people have done that already.
I think you can relate to the bible because you have no brain to understand how the real world works. Or you are so lonely in the world that you need to believe in imaginary characters. Or you need to justify your actions because a book tells you to. Hey, I dont know and I dont care.
If you have anything positive to add, then do it. If not, go with your irrational comments somewhere else. Have a great day.
Thank you for making my point Obdiane. Calling my reasoning "absurd" just show how little you have to add, if anything at all.
I think nekkidandrew made it quite clear. You like to interpret your bible to your own benefit and to justify your prejudices. Too bad. You might have not made a hateful comment to gays in general, but youve made many to me and nekkid. Its quite clear whats your attitude to homosexuals anyway.
You make condescending comments which makes you look even worse. So sad.
And ch5342, thanks for the solidarity. Really. This woman's a juggernaut with her speech sometimes. When I'm not around, it helps to have another voice of reason. Keep fighting -- the world needs as many of us as it can get.
Get a mirror and you will see what kindS of people Im talking about.
I think its comical that in all your comments you didnt add anything but irrational comments and the usual ilogical statements from religious wackos.
Id rather keep my bad grammar. At least I can correct that with a grammar class. You have your brain consumed with no more space for independent thought. Who has a bigger problem, huh?
Look in the mirror? Wow, okay? What are you referring to; blacks or women both apply? Oh, and you missed spelled "illogical", (the irony),lol!! Why, am I not surprised? Come on, get it together! I dont have a doubt that you will keep your bad grammar, misspellings and ignorance of punctuations (in addition to other things).Yet, you state you have studied the bible, ( doubtful).
ch5342-Furthermore,you indeed have the bigger problem,sweetie, because the eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend, and you obviously are blind to truth, fact, and wisdom.
By the way, there are many reasons to disagree with homosexuality behavior that are not biblical related. *kisses*
"the eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend" ---> that is one of the best definitions for you. You can take your eyes off the bible and thats your basis for reasoning. Thats why you are so narrow minded, homophobe and also feel superior to people. So sad.
You can disagree with homosexuality all you want. Could care less if you agree or not. But any argument you have against homosexuality I'll easily refute. But your eyes will see only what you are prepared (or want) to see.
Homophobe is a noun; the adjective homophobic should have been used in your sentence.
Nevertheless, I am not homophobic, nor a homophobe. I have neither, fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality, just disagree with the act. You should understand what a word means, before you attempt to use in a debate. Furthermore, as I have mentioned, there are many reasons to disagree with homosexuality behavior that are NOT biblical related.
The natural structure of the male and female anatomy is obviously designed for the normal male-female relationships. Apparently, the design in human biology (whether evolution, biblical or nature) supports heterosexuality not homosexuality. You can go around and around, take the bible out of the argument all together, and the physical make up of male-female compatibility is still there. The survival of the human race depends on heterosexuality; it has zero need for homosexuality.
The survivla of the human race is not dependant on 5-10% of the total population. Makes will continue to have offspring with females, no matter what. Besides, many human beings are born withouth having sex today. We have that technology available to us.
Also, homosexual behavior can be found in many places around nature, so it is very much part of nature.
The homosexual population is actually less than 5% of the human population. Moreover, the fact that the human race does not depend on them at all for survival is why there is zero need for them, thanks for further proving my point. The FIRST law of Nature, as demonstrated by Nature itself, is survival of the species. How do homosexuals positively contribute to the survival of our species?
De-evolution would result in people like you who still want to live in biblical times. Who want to keep time still and apply 1000's of years old rules that are obsolete now.
When did I say that we can depend on in-vitro feritlization DEAR? Nowhere. So stop twisting what I say. I said that to suppport the idea that humans reproduce not only by sexual intercourse.
I used Darwins theory to demonstrate to YOU that regardless of rather its evolution or creationism, there is still zero need for homosexual acts.Remember,your whole argument was based on the fact that I was using my religion as a,"justification" for my opinions (since you are an atheist).So,I assumed Darwinism would be more comprehendible for you.Anyway, according to Darwin, the only purpose for sex is the transfer of sperm, and if he's right, then homosexuality is a biological dead end(haha)
Darwin, states that successful species produce more offspring in each generation than are needed to replace the adults who die .The species would thus have changed or evolved to favor traits that favor survival and reproduction, this means that not only must these beings be able to reproduce sexually; they must actually do so, for evolution to work as posited. Under evolution, successful reproduction is the key.
I strongly suggest you go back and read "The Origin of Species," something that goes against your bible. And you said you either believe everything in your bible or not. So you cant believe in both.
Make up your mind hun. What is it? Evolution or bible fairy tale? Cant have both.
. Homosexuals would cease to exist because their sexual practices are such that they do not produce natural offspring (with their coupling). Therein lies the quandary, for the gay activist seeking to make his intellectual case for respectability based on science and genetics. These secular gods have abandoned him to oblivion, haha!! By their iron laws of Natural Selection, he cannot possibly exist, let alone be genetically preserved and determined.
Funny though, homosexuals have been around since we have records of human activity, and we are still very much around. Interesting, huh?
Also, gay people come from str8 couples. So as long as there are str8 couples out there, tere will be homosexuals galore. Get used to it! We wont go anywhere, as much as youd like that.
This poses a huge dilemma for both the homosexuals and atheist (like you). Are you willing to weaken your dogma by accepting homosexuals as a genetically determined subspecies? If you accept homosexuals, the whole Darwinian argument falls apart. Haha! Funny, huh?! So let me guess, you dont believe Darwins theory, either. *kisses*.
"homosexuals as a genetically determined subspecies?""---> this is one of the funniest load of crap Ive ever heard. It shows your extreme ignorance. Homosexuals a subspecies?? WTF? LOL This is too much. You should do stand up!
If, anything it will result in De-evolution both physically and socially. Lastly, you cant depend on In vitro fertilization and sperm banks for the survival of the human race, dear, that is truly abused.You really need spell check! Haha!
You are religious person is going to talk to me about darwinism? Survival of the fitest! Thats what it is about. Natural selection. Im not gonna explain darwinism to you, but its NOT about eliminating anything. Nature will select who evolves and who dies off. By the way, didnt you say you either believe in the bible or not? well if you believe in evolution, then you dont believe in parts of the bible. How hypocrytical of you.
Wow, you cant be that thick? Of course, I knew you were making comparisons, did you think I believed in reincarnation (like I actually thought you meant I was Hitler, himself)? You are comparing me to those types of people, duh, it is still absurd, LOL! Anyway, the Pope disagrees with homosexuality; does that make him Hitler (maybe to you)? By the way, how exactly am I,twisting the bible when I quoted its words precisely as written.
In addition, I then gave you ample opportunity to do the same. Like I stated, dont blame me for your lack of knowledge, of the bible. Wow, you had an epiphany, and looked at my page! I mentioned my race long ago, however, you still do not comprehend, homosexuality is a choice (an act) being black is not. Nevertheless, you seem to hold far more hate towards me, and my opinions, then I towards you and yours.
You continually making generalizations (judgments) simple based on my disagreement with an act. Yet, claim to be non-judgmental, rearranged hatred. I find it hilarious that you cant even defend your cause; you actually need reinforcement from an atheist! You are a Christian who needs the help of an atheist to defend the act of homosexuality. It makes sense though, cowards usually run in packs, absurdly hilarious.Maybe, between the two of you a comprehendible thought will occur.
Homosexuality is so clear an unnatural act, yet its impossible to reason with those who adhere to it. God could have clearly made man one gender, but he clearly made them two. Yet many (like you) twist this simple and clear revelation to say, that it does not speak against homosexuality.
Nevertheless, Gods condemnation and historical calamities regarding this act is not enough for you to comprehend. The facts are so clear and the evidence so plain (biblically and biologically), it would stand to reason that you do not seek the truth, merely the defiance of it.
Okay. I'll play this again, even though you don't listen to anything that, you know, makes sense. What I'm telling you is that there is no outright CONDEMNATION of homosexuality in the Bible. Since it's very barely touched upon -- and in manners that are very vague -- I have to assume, as a rational human being, that Jesus just doesn't care either way. Since your knee-jerk reaction is to condemn, I daresay your Christianity is at least up for debate, if not outright rebuttal.
Secondly, I find it interesting that you attack ch5342 and I agreeing with each other. Clearly, I was doing fine arguing with you -- and winning -- before he came along, but yes, it's extremely nice to have somebody else fighting the good fight. And he knows what he's talking about. Don't tell me you'd reject the support of somebody of your opinion tossing their hat into the ring.
Finally, you wanna talk about judgement? That's exactly what you're doing! You are judging gay people as wrong! Do you even have a CLUE as to how hypocritical you're being? It's nauseating. As for me judging you as hateful.... well, I go back to an earlier example: do you judge Hitler as being wrong?
Finally, I like that when you run out of rebuttals to ch5342's arguments, you resort to attacking his grammar -- which, and i've been arguing with you for awhile now, is no worse than your own, I'll add. It shows a lack of ideas on your part, and it essentially shows that you have lost.
nekkidandrew-(cont.) Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."
What do you think that passage means? I do find it funny,that a Christian would become allies with an atheist. I am not lost by the way,you seem to be. Unbelievable,that you still continue to simply pass hateful judgments on me based ONLY on the fact that I disagree with the act of homosexuality.
1st. "Homosexuals would cease to exist because their sexual practices are such that they do not produce natural offspring" --> who do you think are the best "breeders" of gay people? STRAIGHT COUPLES.
2nd. You went right to the bible, when in your own words "there are many reasons to disagree with homosexuality behavior that are NOT biblical related" and you call on leviticus and all that crap. BUSTED!!!
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?
Taken from:
humanistsofutah . org/2002/WhyCantIOwnACanadian_10-02. html
I cant put the terms any simpler, you look so dumb right now, haha, Wowreread the statement, damn, haaha!!. The statement I made toward Lev.20 was for Nek who stated that the bible did not condemn homosexuality that statement was not for you, dear lost child. Now, grasp your ears firmly and remove your head from your ass.
Ch5342-I will write the name on the comments since you seem to be so lost.
Ch5342-You are unclean during menstruation that is why you need hygiene products (i.e douching or cleaning your body extra during that time).Dont you think it is unclean ,if you are bleeding all over the place? God does not want you having sexual intercourse during menstruation. Duh. You are slow,haha!
Ch5342-You are slow,haha! As far as slavery goes the bible was neither advocating or condemning the ownership of slaves, rather, addressing the simple fact that slavery existed, and the proper way to treat them if you do. That was the law at the time and God wanted the slave to obey the law. However, God did send Moses later to free many of them so, God always has a plan. Your attempt to patronize me and the bible, will not work ,youre not smart enough.*kisses*
nekkidandrew-You as a Christian have obviously allowed your need to be politically correct get in the way of being biblical accurate. Sorry, you have exposed. Haha! Play along? Who cares if you join in, you and your ally both lack the knowledge to comprehend common sense.
You cant even speak about common sense. Thats something you dont have and never will.
Nekkid's intepretation of the bible is his and only his. At least he doesnt use it to spill all the crap you do. Thats the big difference. You just try to justify all the hate towards the gay community using that book. On top of that, you are extremely ignorant when it comes to the gay community.
I suggest you go something productive today. This country is getting tired of your kind of hate.
Wow..forgot to pay his brain bill? Did you read the statements; I clearly stated twice, that my reason for the "Dawin theory" was for your benefit, not mine, sweetie. I believe in creationism (i.e. the bible) you dont, right (i.e atheist)? So, I posed the evolutionary theory (i.e. Darwin)and yet, you are still lost.LOL!! You just dont seem to comprehend at all. Wow. What the country is getting tried of are the illiterate and uneducated like you.
The Bible's condemnation of homosexuality is as clear and plain as the Bible's condemnation of murder, adultery, premarital sex, kidnapping, lying and idolatry. Furthermore, for me to openly condemn homosexuality theologically makes me no more a "gay basher" than I am an "adultery basher", "premarital sex basher", "kidnapper basher" or a "murderer basher". If you disagree, your argument is with God's Bible.
Oh honey, you are all gay basher. If there was a gay bashing contest you would be fighting for 1st place for sure LOL
You are one of the most pathetic person Ive seen here on youtube. I dont even want to imagine you in real life. Youd give me naucea.
When are you going to take resposibility for your words and not tell someone who has a problem with you that "your argument is with God's Bible."? How truly pathetic are you? You dont even have individuality anymore.
Ch5342-You have a delusional twisted mind. What have I said that is gay bashing, quote one. Not state what you think I said, or what you think I meant, but a quote it.You cannot, because I have not.I may have bashed you as an individual,because you are obviously ignorant,but not homosexuality.The only thing that I have continued to state is that whether its evolution or creationism, there is still zero need FOR the homosexual ACT! That is not bashing.Damn, you can't spell.
Obdiane, you are the most stupid bible fanatic I have ever seen. Plus go read The Origin of Species. You have NO CLUE WHATSOEVER about evlutionism. What you said is NOT what the theory of evolution states. Plus, again, if you believe in creationism (HUGE LAUGH!) then dont use evolutionism on anything. You dont believe in it, stay out of it. Or you want it banned like gay marriage too??
Again, if some of the things Lev says do not apply today, the why is it that that verse you cited DOES apply
Wow,ch5342 have you considered suing your brains for nonsupport? Look you continue to show your ignorance with your grammar spelling and lack common sense in general. You state that you are an atheist, and have studied the bible and continue to quote from it.
Oh honey, I have more common sense that you could imagine. Thats something you entirely lack of!
Read my comment very well!! I havent quoted the bible, I posted a few lines of the famous "Why Cant I Own a Canadian?" See, at the end of my comment it sayd "TAKEN FROM"? That means I didnt say that, someone else did. You really brainless, arent you?
Yet, as a Christian you find solidarity with an atheist someone who disrespects God in the ultimate way! You have not biblically defended you justification for your support of homosexuality. I have defended my beliefs, and opinions .Furthermore, you began with the judgments remember? The fact that you dont have a clear biblical defense is what is truly sad.
Well, I HAVE defended my arguments Biblically. Time and time again. I'm not sure what you don't understand about this -- it means that you're lying through your teeth, which, ironically, is what your entire anti-gay position is based on. And, just because I'm a Christian and he's an athiest, we shouldn't co-exist? Shouldn't be able to agree on anything? Even taken wholly out of any religious context this remains a moral issue, an issue on which you've taken the lowest stance possible.
So Christians shouldn't accept homosexuals. Christians shouldn't commune with athiests. Wow, your entire worldview is really coming into perspective here. And you never mentioned how you can hold this particular view as a black woman -- that, DEAR, is incredibly hypocritical.
Let me put this in a perspective you can understand: in your last post to me, you typed "you" when you should've typed "your".
Thank you nekkidandrew. Youve summarized it very well. I have no problem at all with peopl who interpret their religion as you do, but there are too many obdianes out there and those are one of the biggest problem of this nation. Religious fanatics who justify their hate towards anything and anyone on the bible. Very sad.
gaay
Krockyluv 4 months ago
@Fancybowties I had to remove your comment for profanity. Profanity is antifamily. Why are the No on Prop 8 people antifamily?
YesProp8 6 months ago
@YesProp8 profanity? antifamily? i know plenty of same sex couples with children, and they are very happy. a family is a family no matter what the genders of the parents are. would you rather orphaned children have two parents of the same gender, or no parents at all?
i don't understand how a person can be opposed to love. who cares what kind of love it is? why are Prop 8 people so anti-love?
MadameXproductionz 6 months ago
@YesProp8 can someone please tell me how the religious bigots twisted the concept of a gay couple getting married into making themselves seem like victims? EXCUSE ME? The REAL victims here are the gay couples and the children of gay couples who LOST their civil rights due to this blatant discrimination and bigotry. Stop crying victim when you are the aggressors. Prop 8 was like two wolves and one sheep voting on who to eat for dinner. It was an uneven playing field. See you in court!
lisztnut 2 months ago
@YesProp8 anyone who cannot see why voting on the civil rights of a minority as small as the gay community is immoral has some real problems understanding the concept of democracy. Democracy does NOT mean that 95 percent of the population votes to remove the rights of five percent. That's called "Mobocracy." I'm glad the USA has a court system designed precisely to protect the minorities from the tyranny of the majority. Our founding fathers knew exactly what they were doing.
lisztnut 2 months ago
@YesProp8 Why are you so anti-human decency and so filled with hate?
Just so you know: you're losing. You are fighting for the wrong side. You are fighting for a side that opposes civil rights, freedom of and from religion, and equality. 50 years ago you'd be campaigning against inter-racial marriage. And you will lose. Your side always does, in the end.
Gay marriage in New York is only the beginning. And in another 50 years ago your movement will be forgotten.
Love you bye!
Watto1988 7 months ago 5
@Watto1988 I had to remove your comment for vulgarity. Vulgarity is antifamily. Why are the gay marriage people so antifamily?
YesProp8 7 months ago
what an awful ad
tgirljess 7 months ago
You fear-mongering jerks. This is just history repeating itself. Remember how slaves couldn't marry, because they were born black? The Bible "defined marriage as between a white man and a white woman." Marriage has ALREADY been "redefined" many times! Besides, what's this BS of teaching marriage to kids? Not even STRAIGHT marriage is taught in school. This video is crap!
douglasrmcdonald 7 months ago 2
@ch5342 I had to remove your comment for profanity. Profanity is antifamily.
YesProp8 8 months ago
@YesProp8 I dont know what comment was that but the only "antifamily" here are people like you and the whole anti-gay movement.
ch5342 8 months ago
The panel had ruled 3-0 that allowing the opposing side to view the pro-family campaign memos would set a precedent detrimental to participation in campaigns and strategists speaking frankly through internal communications.
Same-sex "marriage" activists were seeking to view the "Yes on 8" campaign memos in order to demonstrate that an anti-gay bias fueled California's constitutional amendment banning same-sex "marriage."
omiolo 1 year ago 2
A three judge panel for the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco said its December 11 decision overturning Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker's October order to produce the "Yes on 8" documents will stand as a majority of the full court voted not to review the case.
omiolo 1 year ago 2
This is sickening. "Mess them up"? What's that supposed to mean? Teaching children about homosexuality will mess them up?
Fancybowties 1 year ago
@Fancybowties
what do you think?
ma7799 8 months ago
@ma7799 i think that considering 10% of those kids ARE IN FACT GAY, and that also some of them have gay parents, to not teach them that there are others like them, as well as support the oppression of gays by taking away their rights and treating them as lesser human beings will only harm the kids and teach them to be unaccepting. i mean, if you don't like gay marriage, DON'T GET ONE.
Fancybowties 8 months ago
@Fancybowties
You WISH those kids were gay so you can take them under your wing and add them to your movement, which is what this is all about-expanding the homo community.
ma7799 6 months ago
@ma7799 if someone has gay kids, they are OBLIGED to love this kids and treat them the same as they would treat their straight kids. Children have a tough enough time without having some religious bigots screaming at them that they are "sinners" simply because they were born gay.
lisztnut 2 months ago
@ma7799 the fact remains that nearly 100 percent of gay children are indoctrinated into heterosexuality. The interesting thing is that doesn't change the fact that gay children are being born every day. It's funny how nature keeps doing that, isn't it? I wonder why it is that there are 7000 species of animals that mate with same sex partners. Are they "sinners" with a "deviant", "chosen" lifestyle? Nonsense. Homosexuality is equally as natural and normal as heterosexuality.
lisztnut 2 months ago
@lisztnut
oh no how horrible! hahaah
ma7799 2 months ago
@ma7799 oh, yes, it's true. Religious assholes who have gay children and teach them that being gay is a "sin" should be arrested for child abuse. No two ways about it. It is a form of mental abuse that should not go unpunished.
lisztnut 2 months ago
@ma7799 still living in the Midwest and watching boring trains go by? I live where I can see the new 380 double decker Airbus flying in from Germany every day. I bet you've never seen an aeroplane that big, have you?
lisztnut 2 months ago
@lisztnut
it is no surprise that you love to ride planes, because you get turned on by those perverted ATS people groping you! haha
ma7799 2 months ago
@ma7799 nope, never been groped by them, sorry to disappoint you. However, you might try a plane next time, because it's much faster. I don't know how I could get to Buenos Aires on a train. Any ideas?
lisztnut 2 months ago
@ma7799 oops, my mistake, I have been groped in Paris and Argentina at the airport. My bad. I think I had to go through a strange kind of X-ray when I went to East Germany and Russia, during the Communist days. Also, China had a similar machine. But, no groping there.
lisztnut 2 months ago
PROVO — They knew him as "Hugo."
They were five boys in their young teens with troubled families and problems in school.
He hung out with them at the Orem Recreation Center. He bought them clothes, took them out to ride four-wheelers and shoot guns and paid them to help with his tiling business or on his friends' mink farm in Payson.
omiolo 1 year ago 2
propaganda and lies
meryanoneill 2 years ago 3
If all this seems arcane and mundane, dont be fooled. On Monday, January 11, Judge Vaughn Walker, the chief judge of the Northern District of California, is set to commence trial in San Francisco in Perry v. Schwarzenegger.
omiolo 2 years ago 4
The document calls for public comments to be submitted as soon as convenient and, in any event, no later than January 8, 2010 — a mere five business days from the publication of the notice. The proposed revision would alter the courts longstanding prohibition on public broadcasting or televising, or recording for these purposes in the courtroom or its environs, in connection with any judicial proceeding.
omiolo 2 years ago 4
The revised rule would permit the televising of proceedings as part of a pilot or other project authorized by the Judicial Council of the Ninth Circuit.
omiolo 2 years ago 5
Hold on... THIS is the best ad that the Pro-Prop 8 people could come up with, and the majority of the voting public of California still approved of it?
"Oh no! Children will realize that there's gay people in the world! Nooooooo!"
Sorry. Not a good enough reason to deny people rights.
smurf7777 2 years ago 7
Wow. For "Christians", these anti-gay types are looking pretty hateful.
alicecullengirl 2 years ago 3
Sammybaby185:
I had to remove your comment and block you. My videos will remain family friendly in spite of you. Similar to marriage.
YesProp8 2 years ago
Focus on the Family!
MikuruBeamu 2 years ago 3
Sammybaby185:
Your comment was removed for vulgarity. Vulgarity is antifamily.
Why are the No on Prop 8 people antifamily?
YesProp8 2 years ago
A separate federal lawsuit brought by R-71's sponsors seeks to keep those signed referendum petitions secret.
The petitions are considered public records under state law, but R-71's sponsors claim petition-signers could face harassment by political opponents if their names are released. U.S. District Judge Benjamin Settle is expected to rule in that case this week.
omiolo 2 years ago 4
"I wouldn't have looked it up if I hadn't come here (to Nebraska)," Young said. "I've still got many, many more yet to find."
omiolo 2 years ago 2
Barbara said she thinks "it's wonderful" that they have been able to find all those names on David's line.
Young also discovered that his family tree does cross with President Young's. Their common ancestor is David Young's eighth-great grandfather and Brigham's third-great grandfather.
omiolo 2 years ago 2
A lawsuit in California that was filed last month by angry parents who object to a gay-friendly curriculum they say is being foisted on kindergartners could well become a test case for schools around the country.
omiolo 2 years ago 3
Parents in the Alameda Unified School District were refused the right to excuse their kids from classes that would teach all kids in the district's elementary schools about gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender alternative families.
omiolo 2 years ago 3
The parents say they are concerned about "indoctrination" in the schools, but administrators say the course is needed to protect against sexual discrimination — and that the lessons are protected by laws in California and 10 other states.
omiolo 2 years ago 3
i still don't see what they're doing wrong here. they are teaching kids to tolerate different people so they don't grow up to be homophobic. if parents really care that much about kids being tolerant of gay people, then transfer them to a different school. Gay people should have every right straight people do.
amyray1111 2 years ago 5
so NOW you admit that the redefinition of marriage is being taught in public schools??
/hence the lawsuit?
omiolo 2 years ago 4
um no when did i say that? i said that teaching kids to be tolerant of gay PEOPLE in school and in life should be taught in school. like i said i never heard anything about gay marriage or even homosexuality in my school. and i don't think it is being taught in schools.
amyray1111 2 years ago 4
the problem is we should teach TOLERANCE for ALL, not force feed a lifestyle down the throats of school children and then call it tolerance.
Teach children to NOT send terrorizing letters to Mormon Temples, teach them to NOT vandalize Mormon places of worship, teach them to NOT act like a mob and try to shut down Mormon sacred places.
omiolo 2 years ago 5
and even if it is being taught somewhere, just because kids are aware of the fact that there IS gay marriage doesn't mean they are going to suddenly become an atheist or something. they will still have their beliefs only they will be tolerant of gay PEOPLE hopefully. If you want to believe homosexuality is wrong fine, but don't make others suffer for YOUR beliefs. all gay people want is the right to get married it's not a big deal.
amyray1111 2 years ago 5
"Gay people should have every right straight people do"
They already do.
ma7799 2 years ago 2
gay marriage in canada has been legal for more than four years and i have not once heard the term 'gay marriage' uttered in a classroom. in fact i've rarely even hear the word marriage. i'm in grade 9 btw.
amyray1111 2 years ago 5
**i have not once heard the term 'gay marriage' uttered in a classroom**
google
Alameda Unified School District
gay curriculum
forced on kindergartners
omiolo 2 years ago
thanks I did read it, and the school was not teaching the kids about gay marriage or telling them to accept it. They were teaching TOLERANCE of gay PEOPLE. Because some kids felt bullied, because even very young children were saying "fag".
amyray1111 2 years ago 4
I KNEW you would twist is so I posted the bits from the article even BEFORE you posted.
Your types are predictable.
omiolo 2 years ago 2
TOLERANCE of gay people is the stepping stones for it. as a matter of fact, we ARE tolerant of gay people, and if we were not, they would not be allow to show their faces on the street
ma7799 2 years ago 2
you shouldn't make other people suffer for your beliefs, morals or opinions. gay marriage is not the end of the world, and if you want to keep thinking it's wrong then go ahead. but let people live their lives. all they want is the right to marry, they're not asking for much.
amyray1111 2 years ago
"We believe that [homosexuality] wasn't God's design," Chambers told FOXNews. "We have a decision to make when it comes to how we steward our sexuality."
omiolo 2 years ago 4
God bless.
ChristainPatriot01 2 years ago 6
Lang contacted Armando Marnoto, co-owner of Valentino's, and told him that if the restaurant hosted the meeting, Know Thy Neighbor might organize a protest.
omiolo 2 years ago 3
why is this so epic?
NO ON 8
amyregina1 2 years ago
The romance began in 2000 when Toni had been in New Hampshire visiting friends and Martina decided to join her.
'Our first kiss was outside a 7/11 store,' remembered Toni. 'She offered me an orange, then began crying as she reminisced about the first time she had ever done that to anyone, for her beloved grandmother.
omiolo 2 years ago 3
This includes a classic Mercedes Benz, two Land Rovers, a Jeep, a speedboat, two jet-skis, two scooters and two all-terrain vehicles.
It also claims Navratilova, 52, has refused to return gifts including jewellery, a bicycle, ceramic pots, pets and even three guns - two shotguns and a pistol.
omiolo 2 years ago 3
The lawsuit claims the couple agreed to 'evenly share' all funds and assets earned and obtained by either while together' when they wed in New Hampshire in 2000.
omiolo 2 years ago 3
Hilton said he used the gay slur because he thought it would be the worst thing he could possibly say to will i am. after the musician told the blogger not to write about his band on his Web site. Police charged the band's tour manager with assault for allegedly punching Hilton during the confrontation at a Toronto nightclub early Monday morning.
omiolo 2 years ago 3
ki1ng:
I removed your comment for vulgarity. This is antifamily.
Why are the No on Prop 8 people antifamily?
YesProp8 2 years ago
I apologize for any profanity. But Please inform me how it is anti family?
ki1ng 2 years ago 5
well i don't agree with this but at least they didn't make as much of ass of themselves. Now why doesn't each church have their own form of marriage. If your ATHIEST it shouldn't matter what it's called if you get your rights. But what about us christian gays? Why doesn't each church decide who can get married? Just go to a church that accepts gay marriage. Even if the government doesn't give you rights it doesnt matter who sees you as married as long as you know you are married aand have rights
ki1ng 2 years ago 2
"I am proud to be an American. I am proud of the freedoms we enjoy because of the brave men and women serving this great country and who have served. My grandfather served under General Patton during World War II and is someone I admire greatly. ... He did speak about the freedoms he fought for, and taught me to never back down and never let anyone take those freedoms away from you.
omiolo 2 years ago 5
On April 19 on that stage I exercised my freedom of speech, and I was punished for doing so. This should not happen in America. It undermines the Constitutional rights for which my grandfather fought."
omiolo 2 years ago 3
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"In the past, I opposed gay marriage while supporting the idea of civil unions. I have come to believe that this is a question of fairness and of equal protection under the law, and that a civil union is not equal to civil marriage."
Gov. John Baldacci (Maine)
langsense 2 years ago
Jaegund:
I removed your comment for vulgarity. This is antifamily and antichildren.
Why are the No on Prop 8 people antifamily?
YesProp8 2 years ago
what no on 8 people are you talking about?
same sex marriage does NOT have the same rights as "traditional" marriage. The word isn't the problem- its the lies, both sides. What about divorce?- the oath you take before you get married? there are so many arguments. Treat people the way you want to be treated, no more, no less. The enjoyment you felt when you found someone you loved with all your heart, shouldn't be just for you. everyone should feel safe with the person they love
rosavsc 2 years ago 5
(2:12:42 AM) Nathan: dont teach it to kids
(2:12:43 AM) Nathan: because
(2:12:47 AM) Nathan: they dont understand it
(2:12:57 AM) Nathan: dont teach math then
Jaegund 2 years ago 6
Miss California Carrie Prejean, blasted by a Miss USA contest judge because she opposes gay marriage, may have grounds for a discrimination lawsuit herself — against the Miss USA pageant, a legal analyst says.
omiolo 2 years ago 2
"But in saying marriage should be between a man and a woman it was a reply that may have cost her the Miss USA crown and led to her being called a 'dumb bitch'."
the No on Prop 8 people are MILITANTS!
omiolo 2 years ago 2
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beingforitse1f 2 years ago
Couples like Chloe Harris, 28, and Frankie Frankeny, 42, who married during the 4 1/2-months same-sex marriage was legal, said they were disheartened by the tone of the hearing and not very hopeful the justices would rule in their favor.
omiolo 2 years ago 4
gangrail,
comment removed for profanity.
YesProp8 2 years ago
So kids can't understand that gay people exist?
Heres a free tip.
Your kids, as are almost everyone else's, are more open minded and accepting than you.
norsef 2 years ago 13
Good post, norsef. These people are shameless in desiring to pass on their vile views. They'll get weeded out, though...
nekkidandrew 2 years ago 4
you do NOT teach children taboo! They learn about later in life when they are mature enough to understand it.
ma7799 2 years ago
@ma7799 Divorce used to be taboo. What's you're arguement?
HazelnutInTheSun 1 year ago
@HazelnutInTheSun
This is not about comparing divorce to "gay marriage;" but about trying to take control of society to make homos feel better about themselves. They will use every useless stat in the book to try and play victim.
ma7799 8 months ago
@ma7799 Haha...you're an idiot. There really is no use in trying to argue with you, so I won't.
HazelnutInTheSun 8 months ago
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@HazelnutInTheSun
On the contrary, the gay activists are not worth arguing with, because all they want is attention.
ma7799 8 months ago
this is sickening propaganda
MaMastoast 3 years ago 7
apparenty yesonprop8 will delete any posts he feels doesn't support his ignorant views.
Just like a nazi. You won't stop us though. We continue on....
sporto14 3 years ago 6
That's precisely how it works, sporto. I've had it happen to me on several occasions. Might as well read "comment removed for grievous and unwarranted difference of opinion. Yours truly, Adolf."
nekkidandrew 3 years ago 2
Littleredpictures,
I had to remove your comment for profanity. This is antichildren and antifamily.
Why are the No on Prop 8 people antichildren?
YesProp8 3 years ago
"Why are the No on Prop 8 people antichildren?"
Ohh, what. And removing protections for families and the children many of them have is "prochildren?" The whole pro-family, pro-children spin the YES side has is a sad joke.
RoseEEOE 2 years ago 4
rofl. Curmudgeonly America, I swear. Words, ideals, beliefs, everything we've learned will change in our time here, some subtly, some completely. Lest we be left behind as a country, these changes are inevitable. Gay marriage will become law. It's the way modernized countries are going, and it's just a matter of time for the US.
eRev21 3 years ago 5
Good post, eRev. And nice shot against obdiane... pity she won't be here to hear it, as she's admitted her defeat and moved on.
nekkidandrew 3 years ago
ah yes, we all no that by teaching a child that its fine if your gay, it screws them up
in no way would it screw any one up i belive people are gay or strait before they are even born, you can't make some one gay
Agentbuckwal 3 years ago 5
I agree with you. Wanda Sykes said it best "If you have a problem with same sex marriage then don't marry somebody of the same sex."
liliblue 3 years ago 6
ON biblical times homosexuality wasn't associated with relarionships and love. It was associated with idolotry and male on male rape.
And being gay isn't a choice.
ginb1289 3 years ago
nekkedandrew,
same reason as the rest.
YesProp8 3 years ago
nekkedandrew,
I removed this comment for profanity. Please refrain it is antichildren.
YesProp8 3 years ago
nekkidandrew,
I am going to have to remove your comment for profanity.
YesProp8 3 years ago
ch5342,
I am going to have to remove your comment for profanity.
YesProp8 3 years ago
Huh?? What?? Oh thanks a lot! If you dont let people comment on your videos, then dont post them.
ch5342 3 years ago
ch5342, you and I have made the grave mistake of disagreeing with the poster. That means that our comments aren't worth displaying.
Oh, whatever have we done?
nekkidandrew 3 years ago
Apparently so nekkidandrew. And I couldnt agree more on your ocmment about the bible and gay people. Funny thing is that most (99.99%) think that the bible as we know it today IS how it was written 1000's years ago. They dont know how many many many times was translated, interpretated and studied. Many have translated it and "added" their own interpretation of words which throughout the years have become more and more distorded from the true meaning.
ch5342 3 years ago
You know what's really hilarious ch5342, every time people like you, want to speak of the misinterpretation or reinterpreting of the bible, it consist only of the parts you disagree with, hahaha! Funny, right!? Not one of you, so called genius ever accuse or question, love thee neighbor , judge not lest ye be judged or thou shall not kill as misinterpretations. Comical!
obdiane 3 years ago
And where did I say that? Where did I say that the misinterpretation consist only in the parts I disagree with? Have you read my comment at all? If not, read it 2 or 3 more times.
I think this last comment is a classic example of missinterpretation. Thank you for contributing to my point.
ch5342 3 years ago
That is why I said people like you not just YOU,which included nikkdanderw,who is a Christian that believe God agrees with homosexuality. Your, misspelled quote,was And I couldnt agree more on your ocmment about the bible and gay people You said you agreed(i.e. their interpretation of the bible concerning gays and its context,mirror yours).
So,maybe you should be the one,who reads more carefully, dear..classic example ,yes,of ignorance.Your welcome :)
obdiane 3 years ago
I think you are the classic example of not only misinterpreting but also putting stuff in my mouth Ive never even implied.
Again, READ my response to nekkidandrew a few more times. I have NEVER NEVER said anything about missinterpretation of the bible concerning gays. Ive generalized the missinterpretation as a whole.
Again, you are a classic example of how to read something, missinterpret it and add your twisted reasoning to it.
ch5342 3 years ago
ch5342-However, you love to attempt to convince yourself as well as other that the passages about "homosex" being a sin, is all reinterpretations or just ,misinterpreted. So, funny!! Only the passages that dont fit into your "agenda" or support certain, "politically correct" sins, are rewritten! Wow, your sheer ignorance is extremely funny. LOL!
You and nikkidandrew, should be comedians. LOLROTF!!!So,funny!!Stop,please,stop my stomach is hurting,oh so, funny,haha,my eyes are watering,haaha!!
obdiane 3 years ago
So youve missread my comments, and now you think Im trying to convince myself of something? What are you talking about? How did you conclude that from my comments?
Are you on drugs? Seriously.
And again, thank you very much for keeping up the contributions to my point.
ch5342 3 years ago
Again,your quote to nekkidandrew "And I couldnt agree more on your ocmment about the bible and gay people. Funny thing is that most (99.99%) think that the bible as we know it today IS how it was written 1000's years ago. They dont know how many many many times was translated, interpretated and studied. Many have translated it and "added" their own interpretation of words which throughout the years have become more and more distorded from the true meaning."
Forget to pay your brain bill?
obdiane 3 years ago
Again and again and again... "the bible as we know it today" .... THE BIBLE.... not a verse, not a sentence, not a foornote... THE BIBLE... what I say next applies to THE BIBLE... understand now? Or you have to go back to reading lessons?
ch5342 3 years ago
I need reading lessons? Hahaha! You need spell check. Of course am referring to the bible that we speak of today. The point, dear delusional child is you cant believe one part of the bible, and not the other parts, regardless of what passage or versus, they may be. Either, believe it is all correct, or that is all a distorted .You cant say oh, it has been distorted from the true meaning, and then quote from it later. If, you believe it is distorted then dont read it. Point blank!
obdiane 3 years ago
Oh dear brainless woman. I dont believe in the bible. PERIOD. To me its just another fairy tale, but a very dangerous one becuase it enables people like you to intrude into other peoples life.
But you are far from understanding whats in the bible. If you believe everything in it, you are just delusional. And every time someone tries to justify anything because it is in the bible it just tells me how little support they have to justify their statements.
ch5342 3 years ago
Oh, dear diluted man, does that mean you are an atheist? Oh goody, not only are you delusional, and confused, your also a narcissistic egomaniac. One question, though, if you dont believe in the bible, why are you agreeing with a Christian like (nekkidandrew)on gays and the bible?
obdiane 3 years ago
Of course I dont believe in the bible!! And Ive studied it more than you and STILL dont believe in anything in it. However, I can still comment about it, right?
There are people who know how to keep their religious beliefs to themselves. Thats the people I can agree with. Now, many others cannot do that. Thats the people I have a problem with. I agree with what nekkid said because its true what he says. Simple as that.
ch5342 3 years ago
Furthermore, you state that, as a Christian I far from understanding whats in the bible. Implying that it is understandable, comprehensible, and intelligible which means it is not illogical, at all. Thanks! Wow. You are confused.LOL!!God bless!!:)
obdiane 3 years ago
HUH? where did you come up with that? Your assumptions are beyond unbelieaveable.... "Implying that it is understandable, comprehensible, and intelligible" --> WTF? Nothing in the bible is based on reason. Its all about faith and believing in what they tell you to. Sorry, I have more brain to "just believe" what an ancient book says to me.
ch5342 3 years ago
Huh? Duh? You seems slow. You studied the bible, umm, seems more like you attempted to disprove it; nevertheless you studied hard, and still failed. So, maybe it is you who just didnt comprehend. Is it ignorance or apathy? Hey, I don't know and I don't care. Have a blessed day
obdiane 3 years ago
No need to disprove it. Tons of other people have done that already.
I think you can relate to the bible because you have no brain to understand how the real world works. Or you are so lonely in the world that you need to believe in imaginary characters. Or you need to justify your actions because a book tells you to. Hey, I dont know and I dont care.
If you have anything positive to add, then do it. If not, go with your irrational comments somewhere else. Have a great day.
ch5342 3 years ago
ch5342- I don't care what your reasoning is, it's all absurd.Like I said before, God bless and,oh Merry Christmas
obdiane 3 years ago
Thank you for making my point Obdiane. Calling my reasoning "absurd" just show how little you have to add, if anything at all.
I think nekkidandrew made it quite clear. You like to interpret your bible to your own benefit and to justify your prejudices. Too bad. You might have not made a hateful comment to gays in general, but youve made many to me and nekkid. Its quite clear whats your attitude to homosexuals anyway.
You make condescending comments which makes you look even worse. So sad.
ch5342 3 years ago
And ch5342, thanks for the solidarity. Really. This woman's a juggernaut with her speech sometimes. When I'm not around, it helps to have another voice of reason. Keep fighting -- the world needs as many of us as it can get.
nekkidandrew 3 years ago
You can be damn sure I will be there to unmask the insanity these kind of people hide behind their crazy talk full of discrimination and hatred.
ch5342 3 years ago
What do you mean, "these kinds"(only you forgot the "s")? Explain, or do you need your ally(nekkidandrew), to help you speak up!
Its comical that nekkidandrew needs an atheist, with bad grammar as an ally, however, I do enjoy a good laugh so.....explain.
obdiane 3 years ago
Get a mirror and you will see what kindS of people Im talking about.
I think its comical that in all your comments you didnt add anything but irrational comments and the usual ilogical statements from religious wackos.
Id rather keep my bad grammar. At least I can correct that with a grammar class. You have your brain consumed with no more space for independent thought. Who has a bigger problem, huh?
ch5342 3 years ago
Look in the mirror? Wow, okay? What are you referring to; blacks or women both apply? Oh, and you missed spelled "illogical", (the irony),lol!! Why, am I not surprised? Come on, get it together! I dont have a doubt that you will keep your bad grammar, misspellings and ignorance of punctuations (in addition to other things).Yet, you state you have studied the bible, ( doubtful).
obdiane 3 years ago
ch5342-Furthermore,you indeed have the bigger problem,sweetie, because the eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend, and you obviously are blind to truth, fact, and wisdom.
By the way, there are many reasons to disagree with homosexuality behavior that are not biblical related. *kisses*
obdiane 3 years ago
"the eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend" ---> that is one of the best definitions for you. You can take your eyes off the bible and thats your basis for reasoning. Thats why you are so narrow minded, homophobe and also feel superior to people. So sad.
You can disagree with homosexuality all you want. Could care less if you agree or not. But any argument you have against homosexuality I'll easily refute. But your eyes will see only what you are prepared (or want) to see.
ch5342 3 years ago
Homophobe is a noun; the adjective homophobic should have been used in your sentence.
Nevertheless, I am not homophobic, nor a homophobe. I have neither, fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality, just disagree with the act. You should understand what a word means, before you attempt to use in a debate. Furthermore, as I have mentioned, there are many reasons to disagree with homosexuality behavior that are NOT biblical related.
obdiane 3 years ago
The natural structure of the male and female anatomy is obviously designed for the normal male-female relationships. Apparently, the design in human biology (whether evolution, biblical or nature) supports heterosexuality not homosexuality. You can go around and around, take the bible out of the argument all together, and the physical make up of male-female compatibility is still there. The survival of the human race depends on heterosexuality; it has zero need for homosexuality.
obdiane 3 years ago
The survivla of the human race is not dependant on 5-10% of the total population. Makes will continue to have offspring with females, no matter what. Besides, many human beings are born withouth having sex today. We have that technology available to us.
Also, homosexual behavior can be found in many places around nature, so it is very much part of nature.
Anything else you got?
ch5342 3 years ago
The homosexual population is actually less than 5% of the human population. Moreover, the fact that the human race does not depend on them at all for survival is why there is zero need for them, thanks for further proving my point. The FIRST law of Nature, as demonstrated by Nature itself, is survival of the species. How do homosexuals positively contribute to the survival of our species?
obdiane 3 years ago
De-evolution would result in people like you who still want to live in biblical times. Who want to keep time still and apply 1000's of years old rules that are obsolete now.
When did I say that we can depend on in-vitro feritlization DEAR? Nowhere. So stop twisting what I say. I said that to suppport the idea that humans reproduce not only by sexual intercourse.
Again, anything else you have to offer?
ch5342 3 years ago
I used Darwins theory to demonstrate to YOU that regardless of rather its evolution or creationism, there is still zero need for homosexual acts.Remember,your whole argument was based on the fact that I was using my religion as a,"justification" for my opinions (since you are an atheist).So,I assumed Darwinism would be more comprehendible for you.Anyway, according to Darwin, the only purpose for sex is the transfer of sperm, and if he's right, then homosexuality is a biological dead end(haha)
obdiane 3 years ago
Darwin, states that successful species produce more offspring in each generation than are needed to replace the adults who die .The species would thus have changed or evolved to favor traits that favor survival and reproduction, this means that not only must these beings be able to reproduce sexually; they must actually do so, for evolution to work as posited. Under evolution, successful reproduction is the key.
obdiane 3 years ago
I strongly suggest you go back and read "The Origin of Species," something that goes against your bible. And you said you either believe everything in your bible or not. So you cant believe in both.
Make up your mind hun. What is it? Evolution or bible fairy tale? Cant have both.
ch5342 3 years ago
. Homosexuals would cease to exist because their sexual practices are such that they do not produce natural offspring (with their coupling). Therein lies the quandary, for the gay activist seeking to make his intellectual case for respectability based on science and genetics. These secular gods have abandoned him to oblivion, haha!! By their iron laws of Natural Selection, he cannot possibly exist, let alone be genetically preserved and determined.
obdiane 3 years ago
Funny though, homosexuals have been around since we have records of human activity, and we are still very much around. Interesting, huh?
Also, gay people come from str8 couples. So as long as there are str8 couples out there, tere will be homosexuals galore. Get used to it! We wont go anywhere, as much as youd like that.
Keep showing your true homophobic colors!
ch5342 3 years ago
This poses a huge dilemma for both the homosexuals and atheist (like you). Are you willing to weaken your dogma by accepting homosexuals as a genetically determined subspecies? If you accept homosexuals, the whole Darwinian argument falls apart. Haha! Funny, huh?! So let me guess, you dont believe Darwins theory, either. *kisses*.
I do believe in the whole bible and God, duh !!
obdiane 3 years ago
"homosexuals as a genetically determined subspecies?""---> this is one of the funniest load of crap Ive ever heard. It shows your extreme ignorance. Homosexuals a subspecies?? WTF? LOL This is too much. You should do stand up!
ch5342 3 years ago
If, anything it will result in De-evolution both physically and socially. Lastly, you cant depend on In vitro fertilization and sperm banks for the survival of the human race, dear, that is truly abused.You really need spell check! Haha!
obdiane 3 years ago
You are religious person is going to talk to me about darwinism? Survival of the fitest! Thats what it is about. Natural selection. Im not gonna explain darwinism to you, but its NOT about eliminating anything. Nature will select who evolves and who dies off. By the way, didnt you say you either believe in the bible or not? well if you believe in evolution, then you dont believe in parts of the bible. How hypocrytical of you.
ch5342 3 years ago
Wow, you cant be that thick? Of course, I knew you were making comparisons, did you think I believed in reincarnation (like I actually thought you meant I was Hitler, himself)? You are comparing me to those types of people, duh, it is still absurd, LOL! Anyway, the Pope disagrees with homosexuality; does that make him Hitler (maybe to you)? By the way, how exactly am I,twisting the bible when I quoted its words precisely as written.
obdiane 3 years ago
In addition, I then gave you ample opportunity to do the same. Like I stated, dont blame me for your lack of knowledge, of the bible. Wow, you had an epiphany, and looked at my page! I mentioned my race long ago, however, you still do not comprehend, homosexuality is a choice (an act) being black is not. Nevertheless, you seem to hold far more hate towards me, and my opinions, then I towards you and yours.
obdiane 3 years ago
You continually making generalizations (judgments) simple based on my disagreement with an act. Yet, claim to be non-judgmental, rearranged hatred. I find it hilarious that you cant even defend your cause; you actually need reinforcement from an atheist! You are a Christian who needs the help of an atheist to defend the act of homosexuality. It makes sense though, cowards usually run in packs, absurdly hilarious.Maybe, between the two of you a comprehendible thought will occur.
obdiane 3 years ago
Homosexuality is so clear an unnatural act, yet its impossible to reason with those who adhere to it. God could have clearly made man one gender, but he clearly made them two. Yet many (like you) twist this simple and clear revelation to say, that it does not speak against homosexuality.
obdiane 3 years ago
Nevertheless, Gods condemnation and historical calamities regarding this act is not enough for you to comprehend. The facts are so clear and the evidence so plain (biblically and biologically), it would stand to reason that you do not seek the truth, merely the defiance of it.
obdiane 3 years ago
Okay. I'll play this again, even though you don't listen to anything that, you know, makes sense. What I'm telling you is that there is no outright CONDEMNATION of homosexuality in the Bible. Since it's very barely touched upon -- and in manners that are very vague -- I have to assume, as a rational human being, that Jesus just doesn't care either way. Since your knee-jerk reaction is to condemn, I daresay your Christianity is at least up for debate, if not outright rebuttal.
nekkidandrew 3 years ago
Secondly, I find it interesting that you attack ch5342 and I agreeing with each other. Clearly, I was doing fine arguing with you -- and winning -- before he came along, but yes, it's extremely nice to have somebody else fighting the good fight. And he knows what he's talking about. Don't tell me you'd reject the support of somebody of your opinion tossing their hat into the ring.
nekkidandrew 3 years ago
Finally, you wanna talk about judgement? That's exactly what you're doing! You are judging gay people as wrong! Do you even have a CLUE as to how hypocritical you're being? It's nauseating. As for me judging you as hateful.... well, I go back to an earlier example: do you judge Hitler as being wrong?
nekkidandrew 3 years ago
Finally, I like that when you run out of rebuttals to ch5342's arguments, you resort to attacking his grammar -- which, and i've been arguing with you for awhile now, is no worse than your own, I'll add. It shows a lack of ideas on your part, and it essentially shows that you have lost.
nekkidandrew 3 years ago
nekkidandrew-(cont.) Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."
What do you think that passage means? I do find it funny,that a Christian would become allies with an atheist. I am not lost by the way,you seem to be. Unbelievable,that you still continue to simply pass hateful judgments on me based ONLY on the fact that I disagree with the act of homosexuality.
obdiane 3 years ago
WOW you really proven my point!
1st. "Homosexuals would cease to exist because their sexual practices are such that they do not produce natural offspring" --> who do you think are the best "breeders" of gay people? STRAIGHT COUPLES.
2nd. You went right to the bible, when in your own words "there are many reasons to disagree with homosexuality behavior that are NOT biblical related" and you call on leviticus and all that crap. BUSTED!!!
Sorry hun, you absoltely proved my point. Thanks!
ch5342 3 years ago
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?
Taken from:
humanistsofutah . org/2002/WhyCantIOwnACanadian_10-02. html
ch5342 3 years ago
I cant put the terms any simpler, you look so dumb right now, haha, Wowreread the statement, damn, haaha!!. The statement I made toward Lev.20 was for Nek who stated that the bible did not condemn homosexuality that statement was not for you, dear lost child. Now, grasp your ears firmly and remove your head from your ass.
Ch5342-I will write the name on the comments since you seem to be so lost.
obdiane 3 years ago
Ch5342-You are unclean during menstruation that is why you need hygiene products (i.e douching or cleaning your body extra during that time).Dont you think it is unclean ,if you are bleeding all over the place? God does not want you having sexual intercourse during menstruation. Duh. You are slow,haha!
obdiane 3 years ago
Ch5342-You are slow,haha! As far as slavery goes the bible was neither advocating or condemning the ownership of slaves, rather, addressing the simple fact that slavery existed, and the proper way to treat them if you do. That was the law at the time and God wanted the slave to obey the law. However, God did send Moses later to free many of them so, God always has a plan. Your attempt to patronize me and the bible, will not work ,youre not smart enough.*kisses*
obdiane 3 years ago
Interesting that someone who doesn't grasp basic concepts would deride someone else as slow. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle gay.
nekkidandrew 3 years ago
nekkidandrew-You as a Christian have obviously allowed your need to be politically correct get in the way of being biblical accurate. Sorry, you have exposed. Haha! Play along? Who cares if you join in, you and your ally both lack the knowledge to comprehend common sense.
obdiane 3 years ago
You cant even speak about common sense. Thats something you dont have and never will.
Nekkid's intepretation of the bible is his and only his. At least he doesnt use it to spill all the crap you do. Thats the big difference. You just try to justify all the hate towards the gay community using that book. On top of that, you are extremely ignorant when it comes to the gay community.
I suggest you go something productive today. This country is getting tired of your kind of hate.
ch5342 3 years ago
Wow..forgot to pay his brain bill? Did you read the statements; I clearly stated twice, that my reason for the "Dawin theory" was for your benefit, not mine, sweetie. I believe in creationism (i.e. the bible) you dont, right (i.e atheist)? So, I posed the evolutionary theory (i.e. Darwin)and yet, you are still lost.LOL!! You just dont seem to comprehend at all. Wow. What the country is getting tried of are the illiterate and uneducated like you.
obdiane 3 years ago
Nekkid: this woman has NOTHING to say other than my grammar errors. Its just as simple as that.
There is no rational argument she has at all. No idea to put on the table. Just crap and crap. So sad.
ch5342 3 years ago
The Bible's condemnation of homosexuality is as clear and plain as the Bible's condemnation of murder, adultery, premarital sex, kidnapping, lying and idolatry. Furthermore, for me to openly condemn homosexuality theologically makes me no more a "gay basher" than I am an "adultery basher", "premarital sex basher", "kidnapper basher" or a "murderer basher". If you disagree, your argument is with God's Bible.
obdiane 3 years ago
Oh honey, you are all gay basher. If there was a gay bashing contest you would be fighting for 1st place for sure LOL
You are one of the most pathetic person Ive seen here on youtube. I dont even want to imagine you in real life. Youd give me naucea.
When are you going to take resposibility for your words and not tell someone who has a problem with you that "your argument is with God's Bible."? How truly pathetic are you? You dont even have individuality anymore.
ch5342 3 years ago
Ch5342-You have a delusional twisted mind. What have I said that is gay bashing, quote one. Not state what you think I said, or what you think I meant, but a quote it.You cannot, because I have not.I may have bashed you as an individual,because you are obviously ignorant,but not homosexuality.The only thing that I have continued to state is that whether its evolution or creationism, there is still zero need FOR the homosexual ACT! That is not bashing.Damn, you can't spell.
obdiane 3 years ago
Obdiane, you are the most stupid bible fanatic I have ever seen. Plus go read The Origin of Species. You have NO CLUE WHATSOEVER about evlutionism. What you said is NOT what the theory of evolution states. Plus, again, if you believe in creationism (HUGE LAUGH!) then dont use evolutionism on anything. You dont believe in it, stay out of it. Or you want it banned like gay marriage too??
Again, if some of the things Lev says do not apply today, the why is it that that verse you cited DOES apply
ch5342 3 years ago
Wow,ch5342 have you considered suing your brains for nonsupport? Look you continue to show your ignorance with your grammar spelling and lack common sense in general. You state that you are an atheist, and have studied the bible and continue to quote from it.
obdiane 3 years ago
Oh honey, I have more common sense that you could imagine. Thats something you entirely lack of!
Read my comment very well!! I havent quoted the bible, I posted a few lines of the famous "Why Cant I Own a Canadian?" See, at the end of my comment it sayd "TAKEN FROM"? That means I didnt say that, someone else did. You really brainless, arent you?
ch5342 3 years ago
Yet, as a Christian you find solidarity with an atheist someone who disrespects God in the ultimate way! You have not biblically defended you justification for your support of homosexuality. I have defended my beliefs, and opinions .Furthermore, you began with the judgments remember? The fact that you dont have a clear biblical defense is what is truly sad.
obdiane 3 years ago
Well, I HAVE defended my arguments Biblically. Time and time again. I'm not sure what you don't understand about this -- it means that you're lying through your teeth, which, ironically, is what your entire anti-gay position is based on. And, just because I'm a Christian and he's an athiest, we shouldn't co-exist? Shouldn't be able to agree on anything? Even taken wholly out of any religious context this remains a moral issue, an issue on which you've taken the lowest stance possible.
nekkidandrew 3 years ago
So Christians shouldn't accept homosexuals. Christians shouldn't commune with athiests. Wow, your entire worldview is really coming into perspective here. And you never mentioned how you can hold this particular view as a black woman -- that, DEAR, is incredibly hypocritical.
Let me put this in a perspective you can understand: in your last post to me, you typed "you" when you should've typed "your".
nekkidandrew 3 years ago
Thank you nekkidandrew. Youve summarized it very well. I have no problem at all with peopl who interpret their religion as you do, but there are too many obdianes out there and those are one of the biggest problem of this nation. Religious fanatics who justify their hate towards anything and anyone on the bible. Very sad.
ch5342 3 years ago
Believe me, I agree. People like that disgrace the religion entirely. They should be ashamed of themselves.
nekkidandrew 3 years ago