I'm curious as to where he bought/procured those awesome protectors. We have a bit of an Irimi problem in Kumite so I think the idea of having to get that close to an attacker might be of some use.
Máquinas de lanzar golpes, cuál es el Arte del que tanto se habla y pregona ?- Las técnicas de defensa-Uke- ya no existen, es un "tóma y dáme". De la mística...saludos les envió...
you train to much loking down I now that punchs to the head are not allowed but if one day you go into a street fight and is not you start punching you will be KO because you never practise defending yourselve against punches to the mouf xD
but hey, u gotta work more kicks. and i mean as in technically. just mawashi-geri...could be better. apart from that use knees. knees are just so effective.
wow that guy is made of iron he doesn't even feel pain, i didn't know you could be that strong by practicing karate, but why does he have black and white clothes on.
i've been looking for a kyokushin dojo in california for a long time now but most of them have white dudes as masters...my friend took tae kwon do for 4 years and i still beat his ass in a fist fight and he trained under a white guy so...yeah waste of your life under a white guy
Some white boys can fight tho. It really depends on the teacher. I promise you that you couldnt be one of our white boys, LOL!!! A lot of white guys came out of Ki Whang Kims dojo and are really good fighter and have trained many ppl.
idk, obviously i'm a street fighter but i have a good form for being a street fighter, unless you get professional training, you wouldn't probaly beat me unless your like 6'8 and 5000 lbs, but yeah i'm like 5'5 120 no fat, and then my friend who took tkd for 4 years is like 5'10 195 or something and i've also won unofficial boxing matches against a 5'11 white guy, 6'0 white guy, and another 5'10 whtie guy, but the tkd 4 year kid is the worst one out of them even though he trained tkd for 4 year.
@koobl0 I hope this a joke lmao! I've been thai boxing for 6 years and i've seen guys like you walk into the gym. Trust me, you do NOT know how to fight unless you are formally trained and have spent hundreds and hundreds of hours slamming technique into the heavybags, sparring and having a coach guide you. 120 pounds and unbeatable unless you are pro trained? right... my 18 year old younger sister weighs more than you.
originally, fist strikes to the face and kicks to the groin were allowed. Due to the severity of injury that game from such bare knuckle sparring, many would drop out.Now for safety, no fist striking/elbow strikes to the head or groin, but kicks are ok to the head. Everything else on the body,arms, and legs are a go for -full contact-. There is semi contact Kyokushin that allows head strikes, as well as offspring arts such as Kudo.
Kyokushin is a popular style in Korea. They have not produced any famous international tournament fighters (yet), but most kyokushin factions are represented there with plenty of dojos.
actualy kyokushin is considered a japanese and okinawan style.....and it is derived from goju-ryu and skotokan....and boxing...and tkd....and hapkido...but mainly from those 2 karate-dos
all karate comes from okinawa (which is about as much part of Japan as Hawaii is USA), but today karate is broadly divided up into okinawan styles (meaning traditional styles founded on okinawa) and japanese styles, mostly sport oriented styles founded on mainland japan.
Kyokushin comes from Okinawa, like any other Karate... The Kyokushin Style is like a mix up from Goju and Shotokan. - Neither from that is japanese origin...
Karate and kyokushin are japanese arts, but this particular clip is from a kyokushin dojo located in korea.
They just have their national flag on the wall.
A bit tacky in my oppinion, but I dont think you can walk into many martial art dojos in the US (karate, tkd, kungfu whatever) without there being a US flag on the wall. Same thing.
actually, kyokushin karate is technically korean. Made by the korean master oyama. It is from all styles of karate but if you want to get technical it is not japanese
Oyama was born korean, but he emigrated to Japan when still a child and became a japanese citizen. He never trained any korean art (only a few months in a chinese art) before moving to japan. Once in japan he trained several japanese arts and 2 japanese karate styles.
He never moved back to korea and considered himself japanese, not korean
Kyokushin is NOT a korean art. However technical you want to be.
"fighter in the wind" is a entertaining movie, but it is not in any way a documentary.
It is a very politically biased korean movie that is very, VERY, loosely based on Oyamas life.
If I take it too seriously it is because it is in fashion right now for especially koreans to claim credit for kyokushin as a korean art and basically a japanese offshot of tkd. just because Kyokushin is doing well in k-1 and is generally well higly respected in fightsport circles.
well then he would change his name yeh but that wouldnt make him consider himself japanese, he would still consider himself korean with a japanese name. Kyokushin wasnt actually accepted by japan as a form of karate due to the creator being korean, I dont know if that still stands today but it did a few years ago
It is and has always been fully accepted as a japanese sport/art.
It was frozen out by most other karate styles due to emphasis on knockdown/full-contact, and was regarded as "kenka" karate or "brawling" karate.
And he did indeed consider himself and his daughters fully japanese. Anyone who knew or met him will know that.
It is funny how the korean opinion sometimes cant decide if Oyama was a korean hero making a name in japan, or a traitor that turned his back on his birth country.
I cant remember where I read it but it was the japanese sporting federation, or a body similar to that as I don't know the title. It was considered karate by its practitioners but the karate federation refused to accept oyamas form as a japanese art. I did some research on it a few years ago and found that out. The art is karate and is accepted to be so by the public, but the heads of japanese karate refused to acknowledge it
You are comparing a korean moving to japan as a child, learning all his MA in japan as traditional japanese arts and then created his own style -with a chinese man who learned all his MA in china as traditional chinese arts, moved to USA as a grown man and founded a new style while living there.
And you dont see a difference there?
Im swedish, My teachers are swedish, but What I train is Japanese. If I were to found a new style it would still be karate -not glima (a trad. swedish fighsport).
You don't understand what Karate means? It refers to empty handed fighting of any kind. If Glima was in practiced in Japan it would have been referred to as Karate. So the word Karate does not make it Japanese, Korean, or Swedish. On top of that, Karate isn't even Japanese. It's Okinawan.
The Karate federation even had difficulty with deciding if Oyama's style was a Japanese art. So how can you confidently say it is?
karate is a specific tradition developed on Okinawa, and spread from mainland japan. It is not a catch-all word for all empty handed MAs, or even all japanese empty handed MAs.
There are other unarmed MAs in japan.
It is that origin of the ART that is important, not the origin of the practitioner.
That was the basic idea that I tried to convey.
Oyama was born korean, but he learned all his art from karate teachers in japan. What he made of it is still a japanese art! not korean as you claim.
You sound like you researched more of Japan's nationalistic propaganda. If you agree that it is from Okinawa, then it still should not be considered Japanese because they are entirely a different group of people. A vast majority of Okinawan's don't consider themselves Japanese.
If only you understood the prejudices against Koreans, you would understand that it was difficult for Oyama to get any recognition from any karate school until he created his own style and dominated all the other styles.
fact is that okinawa is as much a part of Japan as Hawaii is a part of japan as Hawaii is of USA. If it secedes we can start discussing if karate should be called Japanese or not.
and oyama was a leading member of Yamagushis Goju ryu, with a high position in the org and a grade of 8th dan from Y. His main teacher in Goju (also a korean by birth) actually ran Gogens dojo as #2 in Goju in japan while Gogen was away
Yes there are racism vs koreans in japan, but not all koreans are affected equaly.
The japanese karate federation never had trouble deciding if kyokushin was a japanese art or not. They had trouble accepting it because it was too violent (they calling it kenka=brawling karate) after they formed what today has become ippon shobu and WKF rules =little/no contact & stopping after each hit.
Previously Oyama happily sorted under Gogen Yamagushi´s Goju ryu and fought with Irikumi full contact rules. But they were discontinued when JKF was founded, and Oyama left to found kyokushin.
"Brawling karate" is a weak excuse for their prejudices. Just look up anti-korean propaganda posted all over youtube/the web by Japanese. This hatred evidently strong today.
Also, if you say that Karate is specific tradition, then what makes Kyokushin a style of your definition of Karate? Why do similar MA exist in other countries, but they are not labeled Karate?
if you are unable to distinguish karate as a specific unarmed art from other japanese (and other countries) unarmed arts, Im afraid there is not much more to say in a limited forum like this.
As for anti korean propaganda. yes that is stupid crap, but not much more stupid than the similar anti-japanese propaganda that koreans post.
The hatred is pretty evident there aswell.
Neither affects the origin of karate as a japanese art and kyokushin as a japanese style.
What is this unarmed art you speak of? Jujitsu? Judo? Aikido? These are not striking arts. In fact, there is nothing else and I'm speaking historically. Historically, karate was a general term for Chinese "empty-handed" martial arts. And is still a general term for empty-handed fighting. It may sound like karate to you, but written in Kanji, it's just a word that means "empty hand".
It is somewhat a difficult idea to grasp, but you must understand how kanji works to understand that karate just means "empty-handed martial art". And also karate translated in western terms would be "hand-to-hand combat". I hope this makes it clear.
The hawaii/okinawa comparision does not fly since there is only less than 10% of natives in hawaii.
Btw, there is no animosity from my side. Thank you for the discussion. It's always fun talking about history especially martial arts.
I am fully aware how the kanji for Tode (chinese hand) became the kanji for karate (empty hand), with a creative switch through a alternate reading of the tode kanji
We obviously have very different views on what karate is. You using it as a catch-all term for all unarmed arts, I as a specific tradition created on okinawa and spread through mainland Japan. But I am safely aware that the general populace and the karate community in japan and okinawa (and elsewhere) are sharing my views.
Kempo is termed Kempo karate. I can't make myself anymore clear. It is a catch-all term for martial arts. Of course as new styles are created, they will drop the karate in the name. Beside this point, you can consider kyokushin korean just by the fact of the migration of karate from china to korea to japan.
no. shorinji kempo is not termed shorinji kempo karate. it is not termed karate at all. it is regarded as a completly separate art.
SOME Kempo styles originating from okinawa are called kempo karate, or okinawan kempo. some (admittedly fewer) japanese styles of kempo have no connection to okinwa and has no claim on the name (and not regarded as) karate.
Kempo is 100% Chinese! What is your point? I will say again, the original kanji for Karate (Tode in Okinawan) means "Empty hand" not "japanese empty hand". The term Tode was used as a general term for Chinese martial arts. Historically, Okinawans are not japanese. Different blood and culture. Karate was brought to Okinawa from China or maybe even Korea. With all this in mind, Kyokushin was developed by a Korean man in Japan. So can you say it is japanese when karate is not even from japan?
Karate was developed on the island kingdom of okinawa, mostly with direct influences from the nearby Fukien province of china (as in okinawans going to that provice to train. and then blending it with & modifying it to fit okinawan methods when they got home).
After Okinawa had become a intergrated part of modern Japan is is now regarded as a japanese art.
Martial-arts/karate did not migrate from china to okinawa through korea. This is basics.
Karate for a fact came from China. It was called and written Tode for a reason and still is.
If you look at Asian history, you see that the Chinese influence traveled from China to Korea and then to Japan. Martial arts was created in China therefore it followed the same route. I guess I should not have assumed that you are familiar with Asian history or the use of kanji.
@kolsyrade okinawa karate came from hung ga kung fu from southern china. thats were they got most of thier influence from. look at the stances and animal techniques. quit the same low stances and low kicks.
@edlo123 the key word in the "Martial-arts/karate did not migrate from china to okinawa through korea." was "through korea". Yes karate draw its origin from China (although it changed a lot on the way), but the guy I was replying to argued that it was brought to Okinawa from china THROUGH korea -which is simply wrong. As for karate relation to Hung gar, I dont think so -it mostly draws on White crane from Fukien region, but I am not familliar enough with kungfu traditions to go into that.
@kolsyrade You're correct, southern To-de, specifically Naha-Te, and it's descendant systems, such as Goju-Ryu, Chito-Ryu and (part of) Kyokushin-Ryu, have certain elements from White Crane, such as a couple of forms, most famously Sanchin/Sanjian, and some kicking elements, especially the eponymous crane stance, and a precursor to the round kick, Furi Geri/swinging kick, which is closer to a Chinese or Indonesian style round kick than a normal Karate round Kick.
@kolsyrade However, the northern styles of Shuri-Te and Tomari-Te, and those descended from them, such as Wado-Ryu, Shotokan-Ryu and Shorin-Ryu had much less Chinese and a little more Japanese influence, with powerful straight punches and kicks, and a very basic, Spartan approach, with few attacks and simple stances, Judo/Jujutsu style throws and sweeps are more in evidence, compared to complex anti-grappling in Naha systems.
@Hankthejollyspoon If you do a little research, Tomari-Te is, or rather, was taught by a Chinese martial artist to the people surrounding Tomari village. Hence the nature of the Naihanchi kata being so vastly different from most Shuri-Te kata.
If you go back far enough, the Udundi (palace guard martial art) is almost a synthesis of Baguazhang, Xingyiquan, and standard Taijiquan in application. This precedes Shuri-Te, but was criticized by Sokon Matsumora.
My point is proven here by your contradiction. If you are acknowledging that it originated from China, then how can you firmly say that Kyokushin is Japanese? Shouldn't you say that it is Chinese? The Chinese tradition is Okinawan tradition. The kanji for karate is still pronounced Tode by Okinawan dialect. The karate federations can alter the kanji all they want, but the face is that it is not Japanese.
"The karate that has been introduced to Tokyo is actually a single
part of a larger whole. The fact that those who have learned karate in Tokyo think that it consists only of hand strikes and kicks, and that throws and joint locks are only a part of jujutsu or judo can only be attributed to their lack of awareness on this art. "
-Kenwa Mabuni (shurite-ryu karate legend who opened one of the first dojos in mainland japan) ca 1925.
Awesome music! Much more heart in it than some cheezy workout crap or wannabe hardcore trash like Linkin Park. Most of the brats complaining about the music in this clip are probably huge fans of them...
Ususaly 6-7 years depending on how often you train.
Its not unusual for it to take 10 years or more. Also many fighters dont bother to grade, concentrating on fighting and leave the formal gradings for until after their fight career is over. So seeing high level fighters that dont have a blackbelt yet is not uncommon.
Good training. I wish some people would actually DO some research on the shit they're talking about though. Like the guy who said it was Taekkyon, first of all Taekkyon guys don't wear Gi's. Don't think Jackercrack even knows what a Gi is though.
I like the thigh padds the "Human Heavy bag" is wearing. Almost like Hockey shorts. That's a good way to train leg kicks. How many rounds does he do like that?
Not for the kind of low kicks he's doing. The shin is what you want to use for that type of kick. If it was a straight kick to the knee, then the heel would be appropriate.
Jackercrack your giving koreans a badname this is not taekyon nor TKD as you know it, it is kyokushin like the name says. How do i know this firts of all its in korea and all dojang usually have a flag representing the federation they belong to. second of all taekyon has a more softer edge than this.. also dont disrestpect the taegueki with your slander, the gwe does not stand for TKD forms but the tkd forms were modeled after the gwe get it straight before you try to teach others.
actually this is probably taekyon, or korean martial art. authentic korean tae-kwon-do is actually very similar to kyokushin, probably because oyama's mentor so nei chu was korean.
p.s. the lines around the circle on the flag are for the forms in tae-kwon-do!!!
Very typical for a 4th gup. He needs to work on technique rather then just throwing stuff out there. Good stance work, proper execution of the technique and solid stance work is key. I have trained so many people who just want to throw stuff FAST and they don't want to work on "THE BASICS!"
Actually, his torso faces his opponent because it is an agressive way of close range fighting with a lot of hand strikes. In comparison, in open style fighting tournament fighters do not use front guard, but side guard, which is good for long distance fights with a lot of high kicking. These of course are just tendencies, not absolute rules.
he is just like a moving heavy bag ,and of what i am seeing here he is kinda good every fighter knows what works for him but in his case maybe the only thing missing here is to stop goin back and start circiling osu !!!!! i mean no offense my regards to him .
im just saying his stance is to square, nothing wrong with his balance, but his body is wide open, and his kicks will not have as much power with out champering them back ward wich will take more time, thus all this could be avoided by a less square stance.
I'm curious as to where he bought/procured those awesome protectors. We have a bit of an Irimi problem in Kumite so I think the idea of having to get that close to an attacker might be of some use.
Suigetsukanno 1 month ago
where is this dojo??
g0han86 10 months ago
Nice video always practice hard
shavanthawee 1 year ago
Máquinas de lanzar golpes, cuál es el Arte del que tanto se habla y pregona ?- Las técnicas de defensa-Uke- ya no existen, es un "tóma y dáme". De la mística...saludos les envió...
gusangar 1 year ago
@gusangar
es un entrenamiento especifico... no se si sabes lo que es eso?...
pero en Kyokushin puedes encontrar diferentes estilos de combate
saludos!
VaroEver 1 year ago
you train to much loking down I now that punchs to the head are not allowed but if one day you go into a street fight and is not you start punching you will be KO because you never practise defending yourselve against punches to the mouf xD
mauriinhocosta 1 year ago
im green belt too, great, osu
jjtc100 1 year ago
good stuff osu!
craigedwards1992 1 year ago
oh man ...he's so fluid !
gameboy010203 1 year ago
nice workout
but hey, u gotta work more kicks. and i mean as in technically. just mawashi-geri...could be better. apart from that use knees. knees are just so effective.
CarlitoJohnson 1 year ago
Damn. I'm hope I'm that good when I get to Green Belt [just started this past Feb in Oyama Karate]
IrishKyokushin 1 year ago
Osu! Nice combinations.
ryanmvillarosa 1 year ago
wow that guy is made of iron he doesn't even feel pain, i didn't know you could be that strong by practicing karate, but why does he have black and white clothes on.
misterrr99 2 years ago
słobo nakrencone mało elementów
gratka158 2 years ago
A tam gadasz
CreativeThings1 2 years ago
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KyokushinBrawler 2 years ago
i've been looking for a kyokushin dojo in california for a long time now but most of them have white dudes as masters...my friend took tae kwon do for 4 years and i still beat his ass in a fist fight and he trained under a white guy so...yeah waste of your life under a white guy
koobl0 2 years ago
Hey, I'm looking for a Kyokushin school in Cali too. Have you found anything good, because I haven't. I used Google Directories.
But yeah lol, all the schools out here, Jeet Kune Do, Karate, you name it, have some stiff middle-aged white guy running the show.
Darklogic112358 2 years ago
yup pretty much, but nah i found 1 but it won't take me to the website or anything so i'm just guessing that it ran out of buisness
koobl0 2 years ago
LOL!! Are you serious!!!
Some white boys can fight tho. It really depends on the teacher. I promise you that you couldnt be one of our white boys, LOL!!! A lot of white guys came out of Ki Whang Kims dojo and are really good fighter and have trained many ppl.
Kinghercules 2 years ago
idk, obviously i'm a street fighter but i have a good form for being a street fighter, unless you get professional training, you wouldn't probaly beat me unless your like 6'8 and 5000 lbs, but yeah i'm like 5'5 120 no fat, and then my friend who took tkd for 4 years is like 5'10 195 or something and i've also won unofficial boxing matches against a 5'11 white guy, 6'0 white guy, and another 5'10 whtie guy, but the tkd 4 year kid is the worst one out of them even though he trained tkd for 4 year.
koobl0 1 year ago
@koobl0 maaan... your ah legend.lol...
buddodogg 1 year ago
@koobl0 I hope this a joke lmao! I've been thai boxing for 6 years and i've seen guys like you walk into the gym. Trust me, you do NOT know how to fight unless you are formally trained and have spent hundreds and hundreds of hours slamming technique into the heavybags, sparring and having a coach guide you. 120 pounds and unbeatable unless you are pro trained? right... my 18 year old younger sister weighs more than you.
TheJoshuaZone 1 year ago
Nice front kick should deal with him moving in. When he closes in again...BAM! In the head.
cab711 2 years ago
kyoukushin kai not kan
XaerousCorpus 3 years ago
The kyokushin faction run by Hatsuo Royama use the name Kyokushin-kan, with "Kan" instead of "Kai".
kolsyrade 2 years ago
good raww trainnnnen
zedda786 3 years ago
No punches or kicks to the head?
GoldenJoker 3 years ago
in competition kicks to the head are allowed, but since it's bare knuckle punches to the head are not allowed
you'd be surprised how painful it is to be punched in the torso (under your ribs, liver, etc)
ArcticSheep 3 years ago 10
ahahahaha trust me I know how painful it is lol
GoldenJoker 3 years ago
what about knees, body and head? what about elbows? i'm just curious.
hungmanhtran 3 years ago
Mate we don't need that to do really big damage ;)
CreativeThings1 2 years ago
sure whatever but are they even allowed? and where would be legal contact for such techniques?
hungmanhtran 2 years ago
To answer your question,
originally, fist strikes to the face and kicks to the groin were allowed. Due to the severity of injury that game from such bare knuckle sparring, many would drop out.Now for safety, no fist striking/elbow strikes to the head or groin, but kicks are ok to the head. Everything else on the body,arms, and legs are a go for -full contact-. There is semi contact Kyokushin that allows head strikes, as well as offspring arts such as Kudo.
BerserkerHawk 2 years ago
hey dis is a kyokushin dojo in korea?! COOL!!!
i never knew there were kyokushin fighters in Korea
OSU!!!
edmun09 3 years ago
Kyokushin is a popular style in Korea. They have not produced any famous international tournament fighters (yet), but most kyokushin factions are represented there with plenty of dojos.
kolsyrade 2 years ago
The other guys are just hanging there, sitting, doing nothing :P
klausbjarne 4 years ago 2
Looks to me as it is free time after the end of the regular class.
People usually use that to stretch, do extra sparring or toughening exercises as needed.
And if someone put up a camera, most of the other students will make room and move to the sides to watch :-)
kolsyrade 4 years ago
actualy kyokushin is considered a japanese and okinawan style.....and it is derived from goju-ryu and skotokan....and boxing...and tkd....and hapkido...but mainly from those 2 karate-dos
yumeji1 4 years ago
WOW you are a retart..........all karate comes from okinawa, not japan
Paitro202 4 years ago
all karate comes from okinawa (which is about as much part of Japan as Hawaii is USA), but today karate is broadly divided up into okinawan styles (meaning traditional styles founded on okinawa) and japanese styles, mostly sport oriented styles founded on mainland japan.
kolsyrade 4 years ago
Kyokushin comes from Okinawa, like any other Karate... The Kyokushin Style is like a mix up from Goju and Shotokan. - Neither from that is japanese origin...
Dafufu24 4 years ago
wow you know your Kyokushin
chicken5soup 4 years ago
this form of karate happens to take place in korea thats why.
kaydo29 4 years ago
I thought karate was japanese... why is there is korean flag?
RoseDelacour 4 years ago
Karate and kyokushin are japanese arts, but this particular clip is from a kyokushin dojo located in korea.
They just have their national flag on the wall.
A bit tacky in my oppinion, but I dont think you can walk into many martial art dojos in the US (karate, tkd, kungfu whatever) without there being a US flag on the wall. Same thing.
kolsyrade 4 years ago
actually, kyokushin karate is technically korean. Made by the korean master oyama. It is from all styles of karate but if you want to get technical it is not japanese
cryingindian 4 years ago
Oyama was born korean, but he emigrated to Japan when still a child and became a japanese citizen. He never trained any korean art (only a few months in a chinese art) before moving to japan. Once in japan he trained several japanese arts and 2 japanese karate styles.
He never moved back to korea and considered himself japanese, not korean
Kyokushin is NOT a korean art. However technical you want to be.
Kyokushin is indeed a japanese art
kolsyrade 4 years ago
hey im just going off fighter in the wind haha and i know he considered himself japanese thats why he changed his name. god talk about over serious
cryingindian 4 years ago
"fighter in the wind" is a entertaining movie, but it is not in any way a documentary.
It is a very politically biased korean movie that is very, VERY, loosely based on Oyamas life.
If I take it too seriously it is because it is in fashion right now for especially koreans to claim credit for kyokushin as a korean art and basically a japanese offshot of tkd. just because Kyokushin is doing well in k-1 and is generally well higly respected in fightsport circles.
I find it annoying.
kolsyrade 4 years ago
dont get me wrong i hate tkd, and actually tkd is an offshoot of karate so that argument is pointless.
cryingindian 4 years ago
He had to considered himself japanese, because of the prejudice against koreans in japan.
steev5 4 years ago
well then he would change his name yeh but that wouldnt make him consider himself japanese, he would still consider himself korean with a japanese name. Kyokushin wasnt actually accepted by japan as a form of karate due to the creator being korean, I dont know if that still stands today but it did a few years ago
cryingindian 4 years ago
It is and has always been fully accepted as a japanese sport/art.
It was frozen out by most other karate styles due to emphasis on knockdown/full-contact, and was regarded as "kenka" karate or "brawling" karate.
And he did indeed consider himself and his daughters fully japanese. Anyone who knew or met him will know that.
It is funny how the korean opinion sometimes cant decide if Oyama was a korean hero making a name in japan, or a traitor that turned his back on his birth country.
kolsyrade 4 years ago
I cant remember where I read it but it was the japanese sporting federation, or a body similar to that as I don't know the title. It was considered karate by its practitioners but the karate federation refused to accept oyamas form as a japanese art. I did some research on it a few years ago and found that out. The art is karate and is accepted to be so by the public, but the heads of japanese karate refused to acknowledge it
cryingindian 4 years ago
How is it a japanese art? It was made by a Korean man who lived in japan. How could you confidently say it's japanese?
steev5 4 years ago
If a japanese guy move to usa as a child, takes up line-dancing and teaches it to others. does that make his linedancing a japanese folk dance?
No ofcourse not!
kolsyrade 4 years ago
Karate is just hand-to-hand combat. Oyama created his own fighting style.
Tell me, is Jeet Kune Do Chinese or American to you? Get my point?
steev5 4 years ago
You are comparing a korean moving to japan as a child, learning all his MA in japan as traditional japanese arts and then created his own style -with a chinese man who learned all his MA in china as traditional chinese arts, moved to USA as a grown man and founded a new style while living there.
And you dont see a difference there?
Im swedish, My teachers are swedish, but What I train is Japanese. If I were to found a new style it would still be karate -not glima (a trad. swedish fighsport).
kolsyrade 4 years ago
You don't understand what Karate means? It refers to empty handed fighting of any kind. If Glima was in practiced in Japan it would have been referred to as Karate. So the word Karate does not make it Japanese, Korean, or Swedish. On top of that, Karate isn't even Japanese. It's Okinawan.
The Karate federation even had difficulty with deciding if Oyama's style was a Japanese art. So how can you confidently say it is?
steev5 4 years ago
karate is a specific tradition developed on Okinawa, and spread from mainland japan. It is not a catch-all word for all empty handed MAs, or even all japanese empty handed MAs.
There are other unarmed MAs in japan.
It is that origin of the ART that is important, not the origin of the practitioner.
That was the basic idea that I tried to convey.
Oyama was born korean, but he learned all his art from karate teachers in japan. What he made of it is still a japanese art! not korean as you claim.
kolsyrade 4 years ago
You sound like you researched more of Japan's nationalistic propaganda. If you agree that it is from Okinawa, then it still should not be considered Japanese because they are entirely a different group of people. A vast majority of Okinawan's don't consider themselves Japanese.
If only you understood the prejudices against Koreans, you would understand that it was difficult for Oyama to get any recognition from any karate school until he created his own style and dominated all the other styles.
steev5 4 years ago
fact is that okinawa is as much a part of Japan as Hawaii is a part of japan as Hawaii is of USA. If it secedes we can start discussing if karate should be called Japanese or not.
and oyama was a leading member of Yamagushis Goju ryu, with a high position in the org and a grade of 8th dan from Y. His main teacher in Goju (also a korean by birth) actually ran Gogens dojo as #2 in Goju in japan while Gogen was away
Yes there are racism vs koreans in japan, but not all koreans are affected equaly.
kolsyrade 4 years ago
The japanese karate federation never had trouble deciding if kyokushin was a japanese art or not. They had trouble accepting it because it was too violent (they calling it kenka=brawling karate) after they formed what today has become ippon shobu and WKF rules =little/no contact & stopping after each hit.
Previously Oyama happily sorted under Gogen Yamagushi´s Goju ryu and fought with Irikumi full contact rules. But they were discontinued when JKF was founded, and Oyama left to found kyokushin.
kolsyrade 4 years ago
"Brawling karate" is a weak excuse for their prejudices. Just look up anti-korean propaganda posted all over youtube/the web by Japanese. This hatred evidently strong today.
Also, if you say that Karate is specific tradition, then what makes Kyokushin a style of your definition of Karate? Why do similar MA exist in other countries, but they are not labeled Karate?
steev5 4 years ago
if you are unable to distinguish karate as a specific unarmed art from other japanese (and other countries) unarmed arts, Im afraid there is not much more to say in a limited forum like this.
As for anti korean propaganda. yes that is stupid crap, but not much more stupid than the similar anti-japanese propaganda that koreans post.
The hatred is pretty evident there aswell.
Neither affects the origin of karate as a japanese art and kyokushin as a japanese style.
kolsyrade 4 years ago
What is this unarmed art you speak of? Jujitsu? Judo? Aikido? These are not striking arts. In fact, there is nothing else and I'm speaking historically. Historically, karate was a general term for Chinese "empty-handed" martial arts. And is still a general term for empty-handed fighting. It may sound like karate to you, but written in Kanji, it's just a word that means "empty hand".
steev5 4 years ago
It is somewhat a difficult idea to grasp, but you must understand how kanji works to understand that karate just means "empty-handed martial art". And also karate translated in western terms would be "hand-to-hand combat". I hope this makes it clear.
The hawaii/okinawa comparision does not fly since there is only less than 10% of natives in hawaii.
Btw, there is no animosity from my side. Thank you for the discussion. It's always fun talking about history especially martial arts.
steev5 4 years ago
I am fully aware how the kanji for Tode (chinese hand) became the kanji for karate (empty hand), with a creative switch through a alternate reading of the tode kanji
We obviously have very different views on what karate is. You using it as a catch-all term for all unarmed arts, I as a specific tradition created on okinawa and spread through mainland Japan. But I am safely aware that the general populace and the karate community in japan and okinawa (and elsewhere) are sharing my views.
kolsyrade 4 years ago
Kempo is termed Kempo karate. I can't make myself anymore clear. It is a catch-all term for martial arts. Of course as new styles are created, they will drop the karate in the name. Beside this point, you can consider kyokushin korean just by the fact of the migration of karate from china to korea to japan.
steev5 3 years ago
no. shorinji kempo is not termed shorinji kempo karate. it is not termed karate at all. it is regarded as a completly separate art.
SOME Kempo styles originating from okinawa are called kempo karate, or okinawan kempo. some (admittedly fewer) japanese styles of kempo have no connection to okinwa and has no claim on the name (and not regarded as) karate.
kolsyrade 3 years ago
Kempo is 100% Chinese! What is your point? I will say again, the original kanji for Karate (Tode in Okinawan) means "Empty hand" not "japanese empty hand". The term Tode was used as a general term for Chinese martial arts. Historically, Okinawans are not japanese. Different blood and culture. Karate was brought to Okinawa from China or maybe even Korea. With all this in mind, Kyokushin was developed by a Korean man in Japan. So can you say it is japanese when karate is not even from japan?
steev5 3 years ago
Karate did NOT go from china to korea to japan.
Karate was developed on the island kingdom of okinawa, mostly with direct influences from the nearby Fukien province of china (as in okinawans going to that provice to train. and then blending it with & modifying it to fit okinawan methods when they got home).
After Okinawa had become a intergrated part of modern Japan is is now regarded as a japanese art.
Martial-arts/karate did not migrate from china to okinawa through korea. This is basics.
kolsyrade 3 years ago 9
Karate for a fact came from China. It was called and written Tode for a reason and still is.
If you look at Asian history, you see that the Chinese influence traveled from China to Korea and then to Japan. Martial arts was created in China therefore it followed the same route. I guess I should not have assumed that you are familiar with Asian history or the use of kanji.
steev5 3 years ago
@kolsyrade okinawa karate came from hung ga kung fu from southern china. thats were they got most of thier influence from. look at the stances and animal techniques. quit the same low stances and low kicks.
edlo123 8 months ago in playlist Kyokushin
@edlo123 the key word in the "Martial-arts/karate did not migrate from china to okinawa through korea." was "through korea". Yes karate draw its origin from China (although it changed a lot on the way), but the guy I was replying to argued that it was brought to Okinawa from china THROUGH korea -which is simply wrong. As for karate relation to Hung gar, I dont think so -it mostly draws on White crane from Fukien region, but I am not familliar enough with kungfu traditions to go into that.
kolsyrade 8 months ago
@kolsyrade You're correct, southern To-de, specifically Naha-Te, and it's descendant systems, such as Goju-Ryu, Chito-Ryu and (part of) Kyokushin-Ryu, have certain elements from White Crane, such as a couple of forms, most famously Sanchin/Sanjian, and some kicking elements, especially the eponymous crane stance, and a precursor to the round kick, Furi Geri/swinging kick, which is closer to a Chinese or Indonesian style round kick than a normal Karate round Kick.
Hankthejollyspoon 6 months ago
@kolsyrade However, the northern styles of Shuri-Te and Tomari-Te, and those descended from them, such as Wado-Ryu, Shotokan-Ryu and Shorin-Ryu had much less Chinese and a little more Japanese influence, with powerful straight punches and kicks, and a very basic, Spartan approach, with few attacks and simple stances, Judo/Jujutsu style throws and sweeps are more in evidence, compared to complex anti-grappling in Naha systems.
Karate doesn't 'come from China' at all really.
Hankthejollyspoon 6 months ago
@Hankthejollyspoon If you do a little research, Tomari-Te is, or rather, was taught by a Chinese martial artist to the people surrounding Tomari village. Hence the nature of the Naihanchi kata being so vastly different from most Shuri-Te kata.
If you go back far enough, the Udundi (palace guard martial art) is almost a synthesis of Baguazhang, Xingyiquan, and standard Taijiquan in application. This precedes Shuri-Te, but was criticized by Sokon Matsumora.
Suigetsukanno 1 month ago
My point is proven here by your contradiction. If you are acknowledging that it originated from China, then how can you firmly say that Kyokushin is Japanese? Shouldn't you say that it is Chinese? The Chinese tradition is Okinawan tradition. The kanji for karate is still pronounced Tode by Okinawan dialect. The karate federations can alter the kanji all they want, but the face is that it is not Japanese.
steev5 3 years ago
As for karate being a pure striking art:
"The karate that has been introduced to Tokyo is actually a single
part of a larger whole. The fact that those who have learned karate in Tokyo think that it consists only of hand strikes and kicks, and that throws and joint locks are only a part of jujutsu or judo can only be attributed to their lack of awareness on this art. "
-Kenwa Mabuni (shurite-ryu karate legend who opened one of the first dojos in mainland japan) ca 1925.
kolsyrade 4 years ago
I wouldn't use the word 'pure', but 'primarily'. Unless you are stating that karate is a mixed martial art...
steev5 3 years ago
yew seem to jumpy ull use to much energy on jumping around then fighting
HippieSahra 4 years ago
You seem really jumpy and shift when you fight..
switchmang 4 years ago
Awesome music! Much more heart in it than some cheezy workout crap or wannabe hardcore trash like Linkin Park. Most of the brats complaining about the music in this clip are probably huge fans of them...
Anyway, keep up the training!
WarriorBoy 4 years ago
Nah they shoulda put some AC/DC or megadeth on here.
farorin 4 years ago
osu, nice music
akextream 4 years ago
good training, but stupid music... :/
sascorp 4 years ago
?Jesus how can they train with that crud music? Must drive you bonkers!
cab711 4 years ago
Haha, exactly. those tones wouldn't give me 'the right mood' ya know..
Maruuna 4 years ago
Maybe that's the idea. lol.
TopAce628 4 years ago
So country blue grass really gets you guys pumped up huh?
rsobrien 4 years ago
I can understand why it would - Gawd damn it, turn it off! Turn it off! (thump thump thump)
TigerStyleMonkey 4 years ago
mas birth name was Choi Baedal i believe...
Fallashe 4 years ago
wasn't oyama actually japanese but born in a part of korea that was occupied by japs?
jashuynh85 5 years ago
no he was born in korea and went to japan because he wanted to become a piolet andh e oculdnt and just trained hard and killed a ox with just a blow
bkdloc187 4 years ago
theres a movie out now isnt there? i cant seem to find it.. sigh*
traphiccc 4 years ago
ITS GOT THE KOREAN FLAG~!! LOL
urkingod 5 years ago
That's not that weird actually. This is in South Korea and Oyama was a Korean.
S54CSL 5 years ago
Ususaly 6-7 years depending on how often you train.
Its not unusual for it to take 10 years or more. Also many fighters dont bother to grade, concentrating on fighting and leave the formal gradings for until after their fight career is over. So seeing high level fighters that dont have a blackbelt yet is not uncommon.
bushi22 5 years ago
hmm..juz wounderin about hw long it will take to earn a black belt.
joeyamato 5 years ago
you're all very silly, stop leaving comments and go work out yourself, maybe post a video of your own
shagthe 5 years ago
Good training. I wish some people would actually DO some research on the shit they're talking about though. Like the guy who said it was Taekkyon, first of all Taekkyon guys don't wear Gi's. Don't think Jackercrack even knows what a Gi is though.
Ace2021 5 years ago
I like the thigh padds the "Human Heavy bag" is wearing. Almost like Hockey shorts. That's a good way to train leg kicks. How many rounds does he do like that?
jimriddle 5 years ago
his low kicks suck - he uses his feet to kick, shoulda heel
deltaflames 5 years ago
Not for the kind of low kicks he's doing. The shin is what you want to use for that type of kick. If it was a straight kick to the knee, then the heel would be appropriate.
statementz 5 years ago
Jackercrack your giving koreans a badname this is not taekyon nor TKD as you know it, it is kyokushin like the name says. How do i know this firts of all its in korea and all dojang usually have a flag representing the federation they belong to. second of all taekyon has a more softer edge than this.. also dont disrestpect the taegueki with your slander, the gwe does not stand for TKD forms but the tkd forms were modeled after the gwe get it straight before you try to teach others.
ByAnyAndAllMeans 5 years ago
actually this is probably taekyon, or korean martial art. authentic korean tae-kwon-do is actually very similar to kyokushin, probably because oyama's mentor so nei chu was korean.
p.s. the lines around the circle on the flag are for the forms in tae-kwon-do!!!
jackercrack777 5 years ago
It's a typical Kyokishin Gi the guy is wearing. Wake up and smell the coffee Cracker Jack.
therod990 5 years ago
Very typical for a 4th gup. He needs to work on technique rather then just throwing stuff out there. Good stance work, proper execution of the technique and solid stance work is key. I have trained so many people who just want to throw stuff FAST and they don't want to work on "THE BASICS!"
DigitalSurgeon 5 years ago
Actually, his torso faces his opponent because it is an agressive way of close range fighting with a lot of hand strikes. In comparison, in open style fighting tournament fighters do not use front guard, but side guard, which is good for long distance fights with a lot of high kicking. These of course are just tendencies, not absolute rules.
malasangre 5 years ago
he is just like a moving heavy bag ,and of what i am seeing here he is kinda good every fighter knows what works for him but in his case maybe the only thing missing here is to stop goin back and start circiling osu !!!!! i mean no offense my regards to him .
shinogi 5 years ago
Gee, some people just don't get it, do they?
ryanddd3 5 years ago
He's not practicing his defense. Just working on his offence.
norm58 5 years ago
yeah, right
he was just warmin' up for the tournament
Soulsation 5 years ago
not bad
sintagma 5 years ago
he has only 4 kyu...
Simas120kmh 5 years ago
well, he's 1st kyu now..
(and he has 1st dan test next month)
and he knocked a 2nd-dan-fighter out with punch
at 2006 all Japan open tournament.
he was only 3rd kyu then, sir!
Soulsation 5 years ago
oh and your stance is to square
keioffice 5 years ago
whut are u a karate fighter?
why don't u just come over Korea and have some Kumite wit him, huh?
His balance is good enough!
Soulsation 5 years ago
im just saying his stance is to square, nothing wrong with his balance, but his body is wide open, and his kicks will not have as much power with out champering them back ward wich will take more time, thus all this could be avoided by a less square stance.
keioffice 5 years ago
thanks for your comment but he's only doin' warm-up for the tournament with 10%of his skill and power..
he has enough power to knock 'em out, as well..
Soulsation 5 years ago
if thats Kyokushin why do they have a korean flag?? i know Mas was korean but shouldnt you have a Japanese flag to.
keioffice 5 years ago
whut do u say
it's a dojo in Seoul, Korea
Soulsation 5 years ago
Kyokushin Karate is created by a Korean person. Kyokushin is Japanese pronounciation.
sonjool 5 years ago
i know read my above post
keioffice 5 years ago