World: Tuning Out the Taliban - nytimes.com/video

[rebounderable]

I stopped watching this out of context fluff after the line:"While America bids for the hearts and minds of Pakistan...."

[johnzaib1]

thats here.you hate pakistan .and they hate you....if you will give hate,you will get hate

[wasak74]

let the TIME decide....

[doctorfaizan]

Well Pakistanis are innocent but not dumb or fool...we know that if moulana, as I mentioned earlier who gave Fatwa against those so called Talibans, is assasined then who is behind this killing. Of course, who is not loyal to Pakistan, not loyal to Islam...these Pakistani Talibans are bullshits, seeds of US...and drone attacks, well i think every engineer of world knows how these drones functions...

[doctorfaizan]

Pakistanis passion about music but they love lyrics,the message in songs.and not the whole music composition. Thats why they prefer Sufi music. Fasi Zaka is good critic in Pakistan, talk alot on these viruses but never mention solution of it. I think he rightly said about Shahzad Roy song Laga Rah, its just for fun, and everything could not be left as so. Moulana Sarfaraz was killed after giving Fatwa that "Killing Muslims and Pakistani in particular are Haram!" Well, tell me who could kill him

[doctorfaizan]

By watching this video, i must say that West knows everything and denys everything! one thing more, most of the pop stars are not as famous as you quoted, Pakistanis prefer Sufi music stars more compared to all these pop stars. If you don't believe me, google it you will find the results. Second did America still deny that this Taliban seed was planted by US themselves, funded by themselves, trained by themselves n now Russians are using against them in the same way as US did in 80's

[supersitara]

/Bullshit...the pakistani pop scene has been on the wane for quite some time, and i can't remember the last time a song was anti-american....not to say that there cant be some obscure band coming out with such lyrics, but one would really have to trawl hard to find such a thing...another yellow journalistic piece designed to scare monger and demonize pakistan.

[JUSTICE3003]

america is the problem, simple and easy

[hofbest]

The taliban are the coproduction of Pakistan and America. And it is not a conspiracy theory. Pakistan is bearing its part of blame but America is trying to unload all its debris on Pakistan alone.If America is a friend of Pakistan then it should share the equal blame for the sinful creation of Taliban. And I think these singers are trying to highlight this thing.

[tulku76]

Wow!..great job by the journalist....now we know we have delusional neighbors...

[rwpla]

Agreed! Those who whine about Taliban being the main threat are among the pathetic ignorant minority who have no clue about the history of Afghanistan and US policies. Such a shallow mentality of that so called cultural critic about schools, nobody said it was the right thing to do, next time he'll be whining about why did they bomb a public toilet. Shame the musicians understand the root of the problem than that him.

[ZaiidHamid]

This video is clearly Hindu RAW Jew CIA sponsored to make Pakistanis look bad and to confuse our youth. Ali Azmat is the only true Pakistani to stand up to Zionist Hindu CIA conspiracy. Why blame the Taliban? Taliban are essentially pious muslims who are doing good for Pakistan. This terrorism is all Hindu RAW Joo

[yakpace]

Seriously. These pakistani pop idiots using all the western music style and instruments creating songs against the west and in support for the taliban. I just want to see that if god forbids taliban come to power and start whipping their asses on mall road in public for making music. Oh that will be just a sweet and cute image. Fucking idiots.

[artistdigital]

This video has a very strong point. How can you all care about the image of Pakistan, if everything is going wrong with our people???

Were there any terror attacks on Pakistan before US intervention in this region?? Couldn't have the US raised their walls high, with all that money spent on war, than going on a wild goose chase, and creating turmoil in this region. Taliban is not the problem, US is!! There can't b any peace with US presence in this region!!

[5170390]

and if you punish your enemy then punish them with the like of that with which you were afflicted [16:126]

Pakistan Govt are the hypocites and we are one of them as we neva stood n said or raised voices against our govt who help NATO forces n Americans and are the biggest ALLies. Talibans are right they kill our people as we help allies to kil theirs;

[5170390]

And you see those in whose heart there is a disease (of hypocrisy), they hurry to their friendship, We Fear lest some misfortune or disaster may befall us, Perhaps Allah May bring victory or a decision according to his will, then they will become regretful for what they have been keeping as a secret in themselves

[5170390]

O you who believe! Who ever from you turns back from his religion, Allah will bring a people, whom he will love and they will love him; humble towards the believers, stern towards the disbelievers, fighting in the way of ALLAH, and never afraid of the blame of the blamers. That is the grace of Allah which he bestows on whom he wills. And Allah is all sufficient for his creatures needs All-Knower. [5:54]

[5170390]

" A time will come when music and alcohol will be made Halal among the Ummah" (Bukhari)

"There will be a group of nomadic fighters who will rise from the mountains of hindukush and they would fight against the crusaders (jews and christians) and they will be the one Who will be martyr and 313 fighters will be left behind who will join IMAM mehdi A.S and being Islam in the whole world"

[blank267]

18 year old pakistani rapper adil omar's featuring atheist comedian and magician penn jillette which openly condemns religious fundamentalism - watch?v=KqjUsJz0BhU

[sufijohnson]

@khadarzaai

Who told you that all the singers in Pakistan are Punjabi or for that matter those that were shown in this video. What do you think about Rahim Shah? Is he a Punjabi as well? Has HE sung any song about the Taliban? And what about Zeb and Haniya? Or you are so naive that you havent even heard these names...??

[blank267]

It is ridiculous that NOBODY is giving Adil Omar any attention regarding these issues. Adil Omar is an 18 year old rapper based in Islamabad who has worked with Cypress Hill and has recently done a song called SPOOKSHOW which features atheist magician and comedian Penn Jillette on vocals. The song openly condemns the Taliban and suicide bombers and organized religion. I really cant believe its not getting the attention it should be getting.

[sbh02]

Who the hell is this f*cker reporting this newsclip? Sounds like a f*cking desi hypocrite. Anyways, I hate Taliban with all my heart; but the West just as much. They have a deep-rooted strategy to destabilize the region, & establish themselves as regional powers. Taliban is part of that strategy. How can any sane person approve of Obama's "Just War", when innocent civilians are being killed to fulfill the West's imperialistic ambitions? How can Obama expect to gain the support of Pakistanis.

[sbh02]

Taliban are terrorists, but how did they come into power? The CIA and ISI. The people never supported them. They were used to remove the Soviets from dominance, and after that infest themselves into Pakistan. The Taliban is a monster created by the West and the ISI to destabilize the region. In these attacks, Pakistanis are being killed; whether its the drone attacks or suicide bombings: hence, the West & Taliban are both terrorists. America does not care about Pakistan's interests but its own.

[shery865]

why u r not accept the vedio responce do afread of ur report become un popular first serch the hole media and after that did some thing like this i think it would be good message for america reflect the real pakistan.

[myusernameisusername]

Suicide bombings by Taliban or drone attacks by the US, it's the Pakistani people that are dieing and suffering at the end of the day. To us, they both are terrorists and murderers.

[aquarious90]

WTF???? wht do they expect us to do?????SIng all Hail bush n Obama???? who the hell are these stupid white men to tell us wht to do???? do they care to explain wht their bloody 'BLACK WATER' diplomats are doing all over lahore in cars with fake number plates shooting vidz of sensitive locations???? ANd threatening the cops tht they are from states and they can do whtever they want??? BULLSHIT

[khadarzai]

I seen nothing Islamic in Talibans or Wahabis...they are simply terrorists...being a Pashtoon I consider Talibans & Alqaida as cancer for the world...and must be cured as priority No. 1...WHY Punjabi singers should care about schools bombed in SWAT, or rest of PASHTUNISTAN?

If schools are jit in PUNJAB then the singing tone will change automatically....

[khadarzai]

Talibans are assets for securing the punjab supremacy...why they consider it the low priority risk. The talibans are only created for proxy wars in AFG and kashmir. The Taliban are cancer for pashtuns, and may be heroes or saviors for these pop-icons...

[MegaMUDASER]

ALL these songs reflects the thoughts and opinions of PAKSTANI public..............

[shery865]

i agree with you brother

[dakhan]

to say that ali noor and ali hamza is the 'majority view' is ridiculous and seems more like a generalization than anything that mr ellick could actually prove. pakistanis are not in favor of the taliban. its clear that the taliban are a problem for pakistan. ali noor is mistaken to say that this is not a problem.

[ShehryarPakistani]

Fuck off America. The Pop stars are right, and 99% Pakistanis agree. We never saw a single case of suicide bombing inside Pakistan before US invaded Afghanistan. All the problems in Pakistan is because of US.

Leave us alone and go back to North America, oh thats right you even stole North America from the Native Americans so half of you who follow Bush go back to Europe where your ancestors came from and the other half who follow Obama go back to Africa where your ancestors came from.

[Zabandraz]

I am 100% against Talibans (BEASTS) as they are killing innocent children, women. But it is the USA who are facilitating this mayhem on Pakistan. They are letting the inflow of weapons and buthers from Afghanistan. They have been telling us to do more but someone in the Govt. should tell them(USA) to DO MORE instead of telling us.

[Frize01]

Most of this mess is because of the US, and the US has a history of screwing up in that region. So this backlash is all a culmination of what has been done.

[massdrnr]

This mini documentary has projected an image thats not true. most information is misinformed and the rest is true but you need to know the full story to understand what Pakistanis think about the taliban and the west.

[rashid1086]

WHAT! criticizing pakistani pop icons for not speaking out against TALIBAN! Mr. Ellick, how about first getting some american pop icons to condem terrorism before criticizing other nations pops stars.

These performers are already making stand against the taliban ideology everytime they hit the stage to perform. FOR THOSE THAT DON'T know, Mr. Ellick conveniently forgot to mention that the Taliban are anti music. (any form of music)

[rashid1086]

The singer in the end shahzad roy, in fact has his own charity foundation dedicated specially to educating children. He even wrote a song about it. So I think it would be common sense that he would be against the destruction of schools by the Taliban.

As far as there anti western imperialist persona is concerned, what about AMERICAN artists like Importal technique and jason mraz who openly spoke out against the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[rashid1086]

Last point, just to correct your lack of knowledge about Pakistani musicians, the song "laga Reh" is actually from the same album as Qismat apna hath main.

[rizwan5226]

well well the educated liberal pakistanis said it all.

[talhabmasood]

Its not that me or others in the country love taliban,.....if they are behind every thing in pakistan...just f*ck them all.....

but we hate the biasness of the west for sure!....

[talhabmasood]

and the americans are doing the same to which they are best at...."Marketing" their brand of thoughts to the world, 'Highlighting' the things which are of their own interest "ONLY"...and leaving behind all the "Public" opinion behind...

The ones who are involved in suicide bombings and terrorism in Pakistan may be branded as the 'Talibans' but this can't so true...even the Afghan taliban dis-owned them....why do we have to trust a documentary made by west??

[talhabmasood]

why do each and every american is so much concerned about the individual opinions of Pakistanis.....Pakistanis have got the right to have an opinion....and no stupid biased person have right to call that opinion wrong! like that ass hole nadeem paracha was saying!!...the term "Taliban" has been converted (deliberately by the west, i'd say) into such a phenomenon which means "Terrorism".....taliban only meant "the people who are eager to study"

[pakmanzildotcom]

The Noori Brothers are just crap.. I dont know what Ali Noor is talking bout.. Ali Azmat i sorta agree with him but than again i dont.. But Noori brothers they are just lame.

[Tobias8164]

fuck the US..

taliban go kill them all invaders.

[JediIndi]

Supporting Taliban to deislamify Pakistan!!!! Is Ali Azmat out of his mind? Sounds like Zaid Hamid kind of logic (if you can call it logic that is) he he. :-)

[3072645]

While it is true that America and it's interference has caused a lot more problems than solved them, it is pointless to say the Taliban are an America-only issue. I can't believe how people can go along with the "everyones wrong but us" ideology. How superior can one be? We Pakistani's really need to wake up to this. Right now.

And if America REALLY wants to help by throwing around money; build civil infrastructure. Keep your arms.

[sunnylander1]

What r you guys going on and on about Laal. never once have they adressed the issue of terrorism in any of their songs. :P

Not once!

[heykellie]

I belong to a middle class family and i completely disagree with Ali Azmat and Noori..

[mudassaralishah]

There is also a left band in Pakistan named "Laal" who clearly oppose Taliban and religious intolerance, i was expecting there interview too in this vid:/

[ImranS89]

@mudassaralishah

NYT would never take their views into account because members of Laal are pro-Communism, hence the name laal i.e. "red".

[mudassaralishah]

lol yeah, true..

[galacticstar007]

Well its pretty simple I guess - Accept and Correct or Deny and Die(not today then surely tmrw)!

[olebaj]

The guy @ 1:48 would blame the west even if his own concert attended by female fans is blown out by a suicide bomber.

[olebaj]

Pakistanis are living in utter denial. i feel sorry for guys like Paracha, Zaki and even fear for their lives.

[olebaj]

The taliban have infiltrated the paki music scene. proof 2:42

[pakmanzildotcom]

The taliban havent infiltrated the paki music scene.. Its Rob Zombie... He has that Rob Zombie beard in the making going on.. dont hate.. :)

[freedecision]

Here is a response video to the clip, some stuff that Mr. Elick deliberated left out to alter the reality to fit his preconceived narrative

Youtube: Response to NY Times Report

[sunnylander1]

Btw, apart fro Zaka and Paracha, there are some more sane and rational journalists in Pakistan attacking this paranoid mentality. Hassan Nisar, Najam Sethi, Hassan Askari and a few more.

All have been labeled as "Raw/CIA agents!!" Ha ha ha ha.

[hareemaz]

Hassan Nisar is the man!! He is simply amazing!

[0515524847]

@sunnylander1 hassan nisar...CIA agent. you gota be kiding me.

[sunnylander1]

This is an eyeopener. Journalists like Fasi Zaka and Nadeem F. Paracha have been talking about this virus for many years now, and yet again they made the most sense in this documentary.

Ali Azmat sounds like a little fascist. God have mercy on us.

[juslkn]

Pakistanis lack taking responsibility for their problems, which creates poor, characterless society. No wonder it cannot produce real leaders.

[juslkn]

Blaming others for Pakistan's dysfunctional society, politics, culture, bad choices and bad ideologies, is not going to take Pakistan out of its miserable condition.

[juslkn]

Americans are not doing religious and sectarian extremism in Pakistan. Pakistan is victim to its own ideology and negligence which creates rootless people, almost like afro americans prone to violence and extremism. This creates terrorists who maybe exploited by foreign powers. Since several decades, Pakistan has been the no.1 country for terrorism and terrorist attacks. Nothing to do with America.

[Miqnaeem]

Juslkn, I totally agree with u that a country must shoulder its own problem and look forward at making remedy than shifting the blame on others. Yet it obviously demands less logic to say you are clueless that ideological leaning of Pakistan has created a rootless people. Making a linkage with Afro-Americans as rootless, prone to violence and extremism is equally superfluous and doesnt reflect the reality of situation. .

[zuhair22]

this video is an attempt to further decieve people in pakistan ............no one i mean no one dont even have the definition of terrorism havent layed out the rules for engagement these pop icons only two ali azmat and shazad roy if you guys see there videos from an angle that they are trying to wake up trust in Allah and work

[zuhair22]

WORK for the implementation of the teaching of the HOLY QURAN THIS IS A POSITIVE VIDEO BUT WHAT THIS DOCUMENTARY IS SUGGESTING MR.PARACHA DUDE WAKE UP GET OUT OF THE META PHOR AND FACE THE REALITY DISTINGUISH YOUR FRIENDS AND YOUR FOES .......NO ONE DENIES A FOREIGN HAND IN OUR CASE FOREIGN HANDS INDIA ISRAEL AND US(ZIONISTS IN THE WHITE HOUSE) NOT THE PEOPLE F AMERICA BUT THE LEADERSHIP IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO ARE TAKING DICTATION FORM THE ZIONISTS WHO CONTROL VIRTUALLY EVERY THING ........

[zuhair22]

i dont know what your view is about the video mine is very clear i dont agree with the documentary because its anti Pakistani AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU DONT PROPOGATE THESE TYPE OF VIEWS

[adilzafar]

Guys what is the name of song and band at 2:44 ? Sounded like Kovan at 6:13. Links...any one?

[kasaeed]

Shahzad Roys Drone attack song and the one about leaving everything to Allah is in the same cassette. The reporter misrepresented in the last part of the video.

[AntiHypocrisy]

Afghan Taliban is busy kickin the @#$! of Nato while Pakistani Taliban is being fed and supported by India, USA and Israel in order to harm Pakistan and to bring up criminal allegations against Pakistan and to eventually attack Pakistan.

[anoophp]

This is the kind of non-sense which the video talks about..!

[honalalalulu]

this documentary is a piece of crap ....... a one sided opinion of american journalist to show the american people wat they want to see where the hell is hillary 's turning the page and by the way US is not blamed for drone attacks they are actually doing it (extra terresterial killings they say )

[Boudabang]

If the West wants the world to recognise them in a positive way, then they should start by taking people like Blair & Bush to court for war crimes they have committed. The Sri Lankan general is recently beeing branded a war criminal by the west, makes me laugh. Pakistanis, you have the right to deal with your own problems, with no interferrences from anyone.

[midhatsiddiqui54]

There is a huge difference b/w Afghani Talibans and these Pak Talibans,We Pakistanis strongly believe that this Baitullah Masood taliban group is US/india backed whose agenda is to destablize Pakisan so that these westerners have the excuse Attack us like the did to afghanistan and iraq,The musicians though modern are actually saying the same things out loud. The drone attacks depicts the hidden agenga of US! No sane muslim let alone jihadi can attack mosques and schools! US stop interefering!

[anoophp]

This is the kind of non-sense the video talks about! You guys are paranoid like hell!

[star67641]

Why bring music into controversy? Music is sort of mental relaxation for humans. Why politize music! music is above all these. Music condemning taliban or terrosrism will not help. Its the duty of the pleasure seekers politicians. Hand over the troubled areas to Military to rule for a while and control situation, then hand over to Civil Government. You do whatever you want at other places not in pakistan is one policy dont do anything is one policy..pakistan should adopt second policy!

[SouliaBoy]

How to be a Pakistani pop star:

Step 1) Do a controversial song (anti-religion)

Step 2) Receive death threats for controversial song

Step 3) Lose your testicles

Step 4) Do the same crap the other bands are doing. (Blame outsiders for everything).

[anoophp]

Hilarious man!

[hareemaz]

lol

[TheFanatic11]

dont forget to watch the guy Ali Azmat singing for the 9/11 victims in his song "no more" by Junoon, his former band.

[OwGosHh]

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[SuperSuperTrooper]

LOL "you see there you go, if you talk to a musician and say what's the problem? and he will come up with the most retarded, the most cliche'd crap"

haha that made my day. xD

[franzfaramir]

sorry to un-make your day, but he actually says "most RHETORICAL, most cliche'd crap"

[DreamerM]

And we still think we can win the war on terror? When we've lost the P.R battle so badly?

Everything comes down to Pakistan. That's where Al Queda, the Taliban, the local military and American interests all intersect.

[seabear145]

Forgot to mention.

Gitmo is America One of the world Democracy Centre.

Thousands are detained without charges.

[dogsbd]

Prisoners of War aren't held on "charges".

[3072645]

But they are tried, are they not?

[seabear145]

USA Support Israel UnConditionally.

threat to USA.

China

Russia

N-Korea

Venezuela

Iraq

Iran

Afghanistan

Middle East

[dubbedcrazy]

lol some of these bands sound like they are mimicking western bands.....but not all of them.

ali akhbar khan r.i.p.

[rsiddi01]

The Pakistani nukes is not something that is just lying around. The Taliban never attacked anyone in Pakistani until we joined the stupid war on terrorism. Pakistan government has always supported the U.S through Afgan/Russia war all we get in the end is the blame. Average U.S solder cost around $900,000 to keep in Afghanistan yet they pay Pakistani's 90,000 a solder and except them to cover the borders. Give me a break.

[salman125]

There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between Taliban of Afghanistan and the CIA/Indian backed terrorists who call themselves pakistani taliban....at least NYTimes should learn this much..or else it will only be proving the typical ignorance of the western media.......no one has anything against Taliban, but all are against the NATO/US/Indian backed terrorists in Pakistan

[pakirockstarz]

this video clearly has a bias, and its using parts of songs to make a point, not to forget getting most if wrong as well

the US created the taliban... their administration has admitted it and apologized... the west in unaffected by the taliban, its pakistanis that have lost more lives and more money to them, and has spoken out again and again and again... we have 150000 troops on the border, millions have had to leave their homes, and the west is concerned that musicians aren't making songs?

[tahnolikessharing]

Those Pakistani popstars shouldn't complain about the West coming and trying to get rid of the Taliban.  Those militants are killing THEIR people and they're too scared to even SAY anything about it.

[LogicalFlawDetector]

Typical of Pakistanis:

read the quran, oppress women, pretend like everything problematic was caused by the west and India.

[seabear145]

85,000 Innocent Iraqis were Killed By US forces.

WoW, What A democracy.

Well, India Occupied Kashmir and Killed thousands of Innocent Muslims Since 1948.

[dogsbd]

Saddam Hussein killed a MILLION Muslims, intentionally.

[fireball1998]

with the weapons(especially chemical ones) which were produced and actively supplied by the US and British governments in the 1980's for use against Iran .

[fireball1998]

and oh yeah.......INTENTIONALLY

[maafiaa2000]

Ali azmat and Noorie are right taliban are not a threat .CIA RAW and israel are the real threats . America leaves afghanistan every things becomes peaceful.

[LogicalFlawDetector]

"America leaves afghanistan [sic] every things [sic] becomes peaceful."

1) The American troops leave.

2) The Taliban captures the nuclear facilities of PAK.

3) They engage their attack on the west and India--only this time it's nuclear.

Abandon your nukes, we will leave. All the technology you use and democracy comes from the west. Abandon all those things and go back to living with your camel.

[romeXXI]

Couldn't agree more

[3072645]

Its not the Taliban who have issues with India. It's our own army. Hilarious how people keep thinking the taliban are just going to waltz on in and "capture" the nuclear facilities. Guerrillas are what they are and the numbers just don't add up.

And if you could spare a moment from your racist diatribe, we don't have camels. It's the arabs who do. Are you going to say something like "you all look the same to me" now?

[LogicalFlawDetector]

You all look the same to me, Pakis.

[sysmg]

Calling them cowards is probably correct. But in their shoes, would you be willing to put your life and career on the line?

[akhtarns]

if you knew the cultural climate in pak u'd agree in what they're doing is right

[3072645]

While the social and cultural situation is dangerous to say the least, there is no right in reinforcing lies.

[superiorgreen]

It is the Pakistani ISI and the CIA, creators of Al-Qaeda and builders of the Taliban in Afghanistan. The tribal fighting in Northern Pakistan is about Kashmir, not hating or killing Americans. Americans are fighting Pakistans civil war from Afghanistan. to prop up a nuclear mistake unleashed on the world under the CIA's watch, the Islamic bomb and AQ Khan network , BCCI, Cocaine, Iran-Contra.

[akhtarns]

can't be further from reality

[3072645]

The tribal war is about Kashmir?? What on earth are you smoking?

[superiorgreen]

Pakistan had the same people it now calls "the taliban", fighting for independence in Northern Pakistan since it was created. The tribal areas would be fighting Pakistan , even if 911 and America had never happened. They were fighting BEFORE the invasion, and will be fighting long after we leave. The best solution for Pakistan is to call in the American airstrikes, killing it's citizens while keeping public support. The US is told it is Al-Qaeda, and they bomb, keeping a corrupt regime in power

[3072645]

Please learn to differentiate between the Taliban and the indigenous tribal people. They are not the same. Sure they Taliban may find their supporters to mostly hail from the tribal areas but many tribes are fighting the Taliban as well and more recently there have been Taliban movements in Punjab, which is far removed from the tribal areas you refer to.

The Taliban are descendants of the Mujahideen that fought against the Soviets in the late 80s.

[3072645]

And please, air strikes may seem like a glamorous and visible solution, but the mountains are quite immune thank you.

There lasting military solution. Kill as many as you can now, educate the people and develop infrastructure to remove reasons for such movements cropping up again in future.

[3072645]

there is no*

[superiorgreen]

Sounds expensive in AMERICAN money and lives. But well worth it for PAKISTAN!!!! Since when does the security of Pakistan equal the security of America? Since 1947, The National Securityu Act, America will be in a perpetual state of war, FOREVER. The idea is to preemptively attack and keep all others off balance, through subversion, influence, and wealth. The dangerous game sometimes sees the chickens come home to roost, as in 9/11. CIA operatives gone wild, you have seen the movie.

[3072645]

It's a lot cheaper than what America is spending now on military aid. A LOT cheaper.

[superiorgreen]

And Facist, but hey cheap is what America is after. We should just outsource our security, to Pakistan.

[3072645]

How on earth is it FASCIST? Or is there some alternate definition of the word that i'm not familiar with??

[superiorgreen]

I am not quite sure if you are aware of how the histories Facist countries have played out. Lets define facism ....... Fear is the main reason, right wing, militant, nationalist, racial/religious enemies of the state, corporatism combined with government, graduated income tax, government control of media, centralised execututive power, public education, strong domestic security, full control of all information and transportation, and complete state control through law to engineer society, USA.

[abarzilai664]

Or maybe they support the Taliban or they're cowards.