Project Natal Lag - What Microsoft Doesn't Want You To See

[stapmnam]

u freakin playstation and wii console fans why u give a bad meaning about a console that much better than both consoles? ur guys just jelous becose kinect will give gaming a new life and this is laggy becose this was like one of the first demos now its 2010 this video was out of 2008 u shitty motherF**kers

[Deathaamir]

@stapmnam Wow someone is a real fanboy over a system that doesnt have Internet Browser even though a DS and Wii both have interent, EVEN MY FCKING PHONE HAS INTERNET. Xbox is that low-tech

[360cheaters]

has everyone forgot that microsoft in an attempt to save money removed the chip that would enable kinect to track your body fully with a very quick reponce time, since microsoft has taken that chip out of kinect its very laggy, in my local GAME store "GAME as in the UK chain video games retailers" on eof the guys told us about the 2 seconds of lag with kinect, not only that but no voice activation or motion menues within the dashboard, without the chip kinect takes over 30% of the proccess power

[360cheaters]

@360cheaters on old 360's thats gonna cause no end of problems regardless of using its own power sorce the old 360's are gonna break down even more than before, why do microsoft do stupid things like this (yeah kinect might be cheaper than what it might have cost) but to buy a gadget for your console and find around a week later youll never use it again or it causes you 360 to break (anyone remember the nikko fans that caused even more 360's to have the rrod) thats what kinect will do to old306s

[Po1soNiNg]

they still upgrade it it still has a couple of months till release

[TimsAccountLol]

Why do people compare the Kinect as if we're all going to buy it? I use a 360 and I have no intention of getting a Kinect and if I had a PS3 I wouldn't have any intention of getting a PSmove.

[Sharkinator7]

how the fuck do microsoft let people touch the kinect?

[shreddedbeats]

This was way back in Feb...Sooo,yeahhhh

[Neylonx]

this is going to teach a generation how to breakdance. natal is perfect for dancing games. you actually dance, rather than step on arrows :/

[SinaProductions]

i hope ps3 move is gunna be better since i have a ps3

[arturorios23]

@SinaProductions Always PS3 fanboys saying that PS3 is better...PS3 Move will suck like Wii is doing right now

[Fitzgerald217150]

we're talking about the lag of a system that is trying to track every movement you make, even in your face...the fact is that even if this had 10 frames of lag its still the most innovative gaming technology out there. Think about it, how many times have you wanted to play a game with the homies and you havent had enough controllers for everyone? How many times has your little brother lost the one remaining controller you have? This shits ganna change the world, get used to it

[TheCheezWizz]

@Fitzgerald217150 as long as they're not black all your friends can look like a retard in front of the TV! Hooray!

[Fitzgerald217150]

@TheCheezWizz so only black people dont look like a fool when playing this new system? What drugs are you on kid?

[TheCheezWizz]

@Fitzgerald217150 The kind of drugs that make people keep up with things like this. Last time I checked the device wasn't able to track black people.

[frostynugs]

@Fitzgerald217150

what good is not having a controller if the game doesn't ever do what you tell it to WHEN you tell it to? i'd take the controller any day. besides, it's not like this is anything new. ps2 did it with eyetoy, ps3 does it with pseye (look up kung fu live or eyepet), and PC's did it over 10 years ago with webcams.

[unknowuser10]

@Fitzgerald217150 "its still the most innovative gaming technology out there" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHA YOU ARE FUNNY

[crodney1]

@Fitzgerald217150 u cant really play every game in ur xbox library on kinect. oh and its not so innovative because the ps eye came out before this and the ps eye does more fps.

[SilentNegotiator]

That's right delusional xbot! They've fixed it, they're just not showing it to us!

Oh, and you sure have phallic images on the brain.

[sdfgsfgbvdfv]

natal AND move are gay, but if i had to pick, move would be my choice

[sdfgsfgbvdfv]

natal AND move are gay, but if i had to pick, move would be my choice

[sdfgsfgbvdfv]

natal AND move are gay, but if i had to pick, move would be my choice

[DESX312]

lol Geometry wars on the natal would beg to differ.

watch?v=0QugAilhXOw

It is picking up all the moves very fast and accurate. If anything this guy was using an old ass prototype.

Sony's dildo pretty much just polishes existing Wii technology. If you have played a Wii then you have tried Sony's Move. On the other hand I like how the PS3 D-bag's like to pretend their Eye-toy is like Natal...lol I am sure it has it's own processor, can completely track movements, and has 3 sensors.

[ACEDcomputers]

@DESX312

Natal no longer has its own processor due to cost (so now it puts all the load on the xbox 360), and yes the PSeye can and DOES completely track movements. It does it quite well.

While it doesnt have 3 sensors. The PSeye+Move has over 7 sensors. Which is why EVERY report is showing PS-move is more accurate and fluid.

[DESX312]

@ACEDcomputers

True about the Natal no longer having a processor.....well sort of. That is a rumor as of now as it hasn't been confirmed.

In either case the eye-toy AND move may have decent sensors etc... Yet again....all the light up dildo wand is, is a more polished Wii controller. If you have played with a Wii (especially with wii motion plus) then you have played with the dildo. Everyone knows this which is why it's going to tank.

[doc2850]

@DESX312

... um watch the geometry wars and um .... u realy need new eyes

their was lag but it wasnt much also his hand movements where quick so that could be the reason, but geometry wars is not the same as capturin a person entire body

we will see the final product at E3 (reason being they need a final device to have stuff to release it with) if its like last E3 its going to flop

[DESX312]

@doc2850

Oh and their may have been SOME lag. Yet nothing in the range....hell not even in the ballpark, wait....not even in the fucking same planet as is shown on this video. Also his hand movements being quick and natal recognizing all of it is far more impressive then old-hat Wii controller technology that everyone knows about.

[doc2850]

@DESX312

still think most motion control is crap.

majority of natal and ps move will be casual games like the wii

o and u might make fun of the move lookin like a dildo but if it works as promised then who cares. it would be nice to see hardcore games that actualy work nice with the move or natal. wii hardcore games = not hardcore games on ps3 and xbox3 if u compare them on par with other games

[XxcrawlinginmyskinxX]

whats the song

[TheClassifiedMan]

its the prototype from E3 its months old the real one wont do that

[dontreadmyusername0]

move will dethrone Natal

[TEEDA]

Lol Frosty.

[Humiinabox]

I don't think MS is aiming the NATAL for gamers but rather to new potential customers.

With an aggressive marketing campaign, few family and sports games this thing is going to the masses.

As I own PS3 and XBOX360 currently the Playtation Move is much more impressive for me as a gamer

[swagkid210]

its still early in the year chill out

[ACEDcomputers]

@swagkid210

Lol its comming out in 6 months and this still has a lag issue, 6 months is a very, VERY short time.

[RandomDirectors]

if this level of body tracking was put in ps eye i will download home again and start dancing for real in Home... that would be so fun showing off real moves online :P

[amk68sco]

but its not the finished on the shelf for sale product yet.

[mike223tosis]

For sure I think that move will be better, and I do think that Natal won't be all that much more revolutionary then the eye toy, but I still don't think 5 fps matters. compared to the move, maby. But unless anyone has played it, the reasons for its possible failure might not be because of this reason.

[FuzzyHead05]

hahah wowowow this shit has such a huge lag. i am sooooo fricken glad that i can get the move. reply to this comment if you are thinking the same thing!!!!

[XxcrawlinginmyskinxX]

hell yeah

[mrjuansgreat]

Er, this is nothing new, this is the same demo from E3 last year running on the same hardware, and we saw the lag and spoke about it back then (so it's not a secret MS are hiding)!

Since that demo last year, Natal has been shown to others, but they're still ONLY showing the old prototype and that game, but not the latest version of Natal, for example;

watch?v=W81PeswSWP0

Hence we really will have to wait until E3 this year to get a good idea of how Natal will perform. :)

[MTMind2]

Er, this is nothing new, this is the same demo from E3 last year running on the same hardware, and we saw the lag and spoke about it back then (so it's not a secret MS are hiding)!

Since that demo last year, Natal has been shown to others, but they're still ONLY showing the old prototype and that game, but not the latest version of Natal, for example;

watch?v=W81PeswSWP0

Hence we really will have to wait until E3 this year to get a good idea of how Natal will perform. :)

[gunsnroses123456789]

It's the first of it's kind. There will be bugs patches and do overs. It's what all new tech goes through.

[Babygirlsdreams]

(cough) Ps2 eyetoy....

First of it's kind huh? Doubtful

Look @ this upper torso motion tracking at 60fps

watch?v=0lBZ38BTsgs

[bfdmanbd8]

look at the fuckin lag,even if they fix it's still going to fail due to lack of button input's...

[rukaras]

EPIC FAIL!!!

[jrfarve]

Ps3 game lineup might not be that great, but overall I think the ps3 has everything beat. This project natal looks pretty badass tho, but eventually ps3 will do the same thing..

[tntmurda]

i'm a ps3 guy, but i'm sure microsoft will have that fixed... apparently natal is the next big evolution. microsoft has me interested enough to go out and buy a 360 and wait until natal comes out. ps3 wand? not so much...

[itsanewcar123]

oh yeah it will be fixed, its still not done lol

[Nerte85]

OMFG this must be the most annoying video on YouTube.

[p4l3rm0]

166ms ii's still less lag than Killzone 2 or GTA4. Just sayin'...

[GenBonnker]

do you think their going to show off their final product? Do you really think they're going to sell a wii camera? This thing comes out in december!

[Shahraman]

Natal comes out in 9 MONTHS form here. They can improve it yet.

[suicidalsmurf55]

i really cant believe people are actling like 5fps lag is alot for sumthin that is a YEAR from release.

damn sony fanboys....

how much use are you getting out of your eye toy?

[imUntraceable]

haha people think that this is going to be the final version. wake up sony fanboys this still has almost a year to go before it's released.

[SimmoUK21]

LAGGG natal doesnt work Sony's does

[tommat93]

Jeez people, how about waiting until a finished version is in stores before saying how much of an epic win/fail this'll be. Looks like some lag here, but that doesn't mean they won't clean it up for the release; if they don't then they know they'll lose out on a lot of sales.

[habakoski]

Great idea to drop that chip to save some cash, MS!

[pllb]

Exactly, I don' t know why they took the hardware out of the thing. Natal is going to be casual games as seen in the video now because it uses the xbox cpu and memory. Even an MS guy said Natal is aimed for casual gamers last week when this video surfaced.

[ISniffDirtyPanties]

NATAL EPIC FAIL

[stapmnam]

@ISniffDirtyPanties wii and playstation EPIC FAIL

ISniffDirtyPanties=EPIC FAIL

[olorin818]

I am not M$ fan but I think they will improve on that, maybe also the fact that room is so dark causes the lag somehow?

[Antilli]

One question. What's the delay of the tv? =)

[whoelses]

Look into the eyes of the woman on the right from 41 seconds. That will freak you out!

[starvedsanity]

you just have to move really slowly when you play. :) maybe they'll make all the games in zero gravity. lol grab your spacesuit's boys! Natal looks gay. God of War 3 looks EPIC BTW! :D

[ANOTHERFAN]

You look like you're sucking Sony's dick right now.

[starvedsanity]

and all the fanboys hyping Natal for the past year? MS's whores. at least Sony has good exclusives. :D

[imUntraceable]

@starvedsanity . you mean mgs4 and god of war and heavy rain (sad thing is, gow hasn't even come out yet,and heavy rain just got released days ago)....i have a ps3 and the exclusives are shit. my 360 has gears of war, halo, splinter cell, left 4 dead, mass effect. all are great games. proven by reviewers and consumers.

[starvedsanity]

Heavy Rain, the Uncharted games, Resistance games, Motorstorm games, Killzone 2, MGS4, inFAMOUS, and many PSN titles like Wipeout, Flower, and GT5P are all worth owning a PS3. most of those games you listed are also on PC, or do you not understand the meaning of "exclusive"? every game i listed is only on the PS3.

[imUntraceable]

@starvedsanity . you're right those are exclusives too. worth owning a ps3 for? no. i had heard great things about all of them, untill i played them. motorm is no different then any other racer, killzone 2 is just a normal shooter, infamous...just boring. really, it's assassin's creed with lighting. and sorry, let me rephrase what i meant by "exclusive" - games not for ps3, that are on 360. and resistance. i was hyped for that, but like killzone - nothing really set it apart from most other

[imUntraceable]

@starvedsanity shooters. mgs4 is a masterpiece, most definitely one of the best games i've played in my life. other than that, i've failed to see alot of talent in the current ps3 lineup.

[tntmurda]

@imUntraceable i hate this,... but i agree with you... i've actually been a little disappointed with the ps3 line up... in my own personal opinion, i think that heavy rain was the best thing to come out of the ps3 chamber... mgs4 yeah it's ok... mag... not so much... i've been waiting for "the agency" but that'll also be available for pc...

[XxcrawlinginmyskinxX]

Nah man. So many good games yet to come out. God Of War 3, ModNation Racers, InFamous 2, Resistance 3, Motorstorm 3, The Agency, Agent, The Last Guardian...

[rukaras]

@XxcrawlinginmyskinxX

This games OWNS!!

[OMFGSprinkles]

what about uncharted 2, little big planet,infamous, GT5, kz2, and GOW3?

[suicidalsmurf55]

@starvedsanity wow ironic troll is ironic

[misterG2006]

Don't know much about Natal, but from that video it looks like a bad imitation of PS2 EyeToy.

[crapzors]

couldn't have picked a more irritating song ?

[thermadyne123]

@crapzors . Yes, it could have been Rick Roll

[EDTProductions]

@crapzors The irritating song fits the irritating product

[lazerlight2010]

@crapzors he picked because the expresion when people play kinect

they look like retards

[moneydexter]

epic fail ! the lag is very high and the range of movements is limited. this project natal will be an epic fail more than was sega mega cd and sega 32X. I smell the same poor end.

[shystieworld]

Wow maybe M$ should go back to the drawing board and try to get it right before they release it. It's not like M$ to release something that doesn't work correctly, break down, have multiple flaws and so on... oh wait I forgot we are talking M$....lol

[n00b3st]

cant see shit captain

[Chaingangsoldiernit]

yes soldier, time to take your rifle put it to your head and blow it off, you have been blinded by the shrapnel.

[SilentNegotiator]

It's been almost 8 months since the E3 demo, and the lag has only gotten worse.

[Bobby90]

How about noticing where Natal is in this video?

That can't be it besides the 360 its too big. Not in what's suppose to be the proper position in front of the set unless its on the floor.

[EeJLP]

The 'proper position'? Isn't this at a Microsoft event? Why would they not set up their own equipment in the 'proper position' if they're showing it off?

[meteorfreak]

It use the same game engine like in Microsoft's E3 Conference.

The exact same red ball.

[ACEDcomputers]

This is an MS event, you think they have the camera wrong?

Even at E3 you could see significant lag.

[Bobby90]

I'm asking where the Natal unit is. Doubt its the thing standing upright next to the 360 because that then puts three other people in front of it. Has the guy dancing far off center.

[ACEDcomputers]

In all cases of the Natal being demoed, including E3 when the unit is clearly visible, there is significant input lag.

[Bobby90]

Then could you show me where it is in that picture? That's all I asking.

[ACEDcomputers]

You and I both know that the footage is too dark to even see the guys hand half the time, and you think you are going to see a small camera?