So what size boat and how many animals and how many people did God drown and why does the bible deceive us in this story as so many have believed this was a global flood with all human and animal life being drowned by God if this is not the clear reading of scripture. For the record, a literal account of the flood presents a logistic nightmare and I can not believe it.
Robert Audrey talks about the Mediterranean basin being flooded when the gibraltor 'plug' burst allowing the Atlantic to flood the area. The rivers flowing into the Med Sea, Nile, Rhone,
- cont. In Sumerian "older version flood story" Utanapishtim is the "Noah" character, the story is very similar, except there is more than 1 god, and the flood lasts about 7 days. the interesting thing is they do not mention a world flood, but a meditteranean flood that falls more in line with the Flood Basin Theory. Given that the Sumerian version is a few thousand years older than the Biblical version, makes it a bit more reliable.
Problem 1: An australopithecine being intelligent to survive such a flood. Their intelligence was on the rise, but to build an ark?
Question 1: Can you send me a link on the flood geology? All my searches bring up is creationist literature. I'm curious as to how it could flood 20 feet over the tallest mountain.
Question 2: Doesn't the Bible say that the flood dissipated eventually? I mean, I could be wrong.
Balmung, once you accept that the flood myth is about australopithecines, then the rest of the details, are probably not exactly like the bible. The story is a myth, like the garden of eden, it existed but not in the way the bible says. But of course the bible is a metaphor. The exact details are not important. Audrey speaks of the original garden of eden, which probably was inhabited by australopithecine types, when there was only 1 contintent green and abundent.
just yesterday i was reading about the Flood on the net somewhere (forgot where) but the biggest problem with a local Flood that i see is this:
after the Flood God promised to never flood the world again. therefore if it was a local Flood we have two options: it was truly a worldwide Flood or God is a liar.
World translates in Hebrew to land. He would never flood the land again. Ok, so since the flood was in the Meditterannean, he can't have flooded it. It is already filled.
My understanding is that the last time the Med basin was flooded was about 12,000y/a. I guess the question is, would people remember the history, orally transmitted, for thousands of years? One thing I don't know: when Gibraltar broke and the med was flooded, how long did it take for the whole basin to become filled? That is an important Q. :)
Very intereting, something to consider. First off, just to be clear you think that God broke the straight? Secondly this model doesn't make me throw out the world flood model because If God is making a giant flood in the first place (through godly powers) then he could certainly generate and destroy H2O molecules, even with salt content if need be. God doesn't haveto confine his actions on earth, to earth physics.
Sure there is, over in the pacific northwest there are these things called the palous hills (i think thats how its spelled) which are made up of sedimentary materials and from the air exactly resemble the little ripples made on beaches from waves. these hills are hundreds of miles away from the ocean...
National Geographic ran a story on the theory that the Mediterranien Sea burst through what are now the Straights of the Bosporus filling the basin of the valley that is now the Black Sea.
I agree with most of what you say in your videos, but this one I would respectfully disagree with. If it was a local flood, why the need for an ark? Why not just tell Noah to move a few hundred miles? Also, doesn't the Bible imply that the purpose of the flood was to kill everyone but 8 people so there could be a new start (Gen. 6:6-8, 13-14; 7:21-23)?
So what size boat and how many animals and how many people did God drown and why does the bible deceive us in this story as so many have believed this was a global flood with all human and animal life being drowned by God if this is not the clear reading of scripture. For the record, a literal account of the flood presents a logistic nightmare and I can not believe it.
ShaneChiswick 1 year ago
Robert Audrey talks about the Mediterranean basin being flooded when the gibraltor 'plug' burst allowing the Atlantic to flood the area. The rivers flowing into the Med Sea, Nile, Rhone,
etc could barely make up for the evaporation.
You did a very good job!!! You should be
commended for your open mindedness
and your rational logical approach.
fntime 2 years ago
- cont. In Sumerian "older version flood story" Utanapishtim is the "Noah" character, the story is very similar, except there is more than 1 god, and the flood lasts about 7 days. the interesting thing is they do not mention a world flood, but a meditteranean flood that falls more in line with the Flood Basin Theory. Given that the Sumerian version is a few thousand years older than the Biblical version, makes it a bit more reliable.
gilgamesh1962 3 years ago
Problem 1: An australopithecine being intelligent to survive such a flood. Their intelligence was on the rise, but to build an ark?
Question 1: Can you send me a link on the flood geology? All my searches bring up is creationist literature. I'm curious as to how it could flood 20 feet over the tallest mountain.
Question 2: Doesn't the Bible say that the flood dissipated eventually? I mean, I could be wrong.
BalmungSama0 4 years ago
fntime 2 years ago
If you get too caught up with trying to
disprove the Bible, you will miss the
whole point.
fntime 2 years ago
@BalmungSama0 The floods were in many places, due to daming of
of water from glaciers, when the daming broke releasing the
stored water, many places were flooded. The Persian Gulf was maybe
1/4 the size it is today and there were communities there that are
now flooded.
Like most things in the bible, the Flood is background for another
story. If you lived in ancient times and were flooded like Doggerland
it might seem as though the Flood was happening all over
the world at same time.
fntime 6 months ago
20 feet over the highest mountain kabane
butch281972 4 years ago
just yesterday i was reading about the Flood on the net somewhere (forgot where) but the biggest problem with a local Flood that i see is this:
after the Flood God promised to never flood the world again. therefore if it was a local Flood we have two options: it was truly a worldwide Flood or God is a liar.
sickeningsplat 4 years ago
World translates in Hebrew to land. He would never flood the land again. Ok, so since the flood was in the Meditterannean, he can't have flooded it. It is already filled.
Kabane52 4 years ago
Hi Kabane52,
My understanding is that the last time the Med basin was flooded was about 12,000y/a. I guess the question is, would people remember the history, orally transmitted, for thousands of years? One thing I don't know: when Gibraltar broke and the med was flooded, how long did it take for the whole basin to become filled? That is an important Q. :)
BryanAJParry 4 years ago
Very intereting, something to consider. First off, just to be clear you think that God broke the straight? Secondly this model doesn't make me throw out the world flood model because If God is making a giant flood in the first place (through godly powers) then he could certainly generate and destroy H2O molecules, even with salt content if need be. God doesn't haveto confine his actions on earth, to earth physics.
camguy123 5 years ago
I understand that God can break laws of physics. My problem is that there is absolutely no evidence of a global flood.
Kabane52 5 years ago
and since when have Christians needed evidence?
101011001 5 years ago
Sure there is, over in the pacific northwest there are these things called the palous hills (i think thats how its spelled) which are made up of sedimentary materials and from the air exactly resemble the little ripples made on beaches from waves. these hills are hundreds of miles away from the ocean...
camguy123 5 years ago
Your explanation of how a global flood could work is nothing short of godding up the gaps, filling in an holes of evidence with "God did it".
BalmungSama0 4 years ago
National Geographic ran a story on the theory that the Mediterranien Sea burst through what are now the Straights of the Bosporus filling the basin of the valley that is now the Black Sea.
proudfootz 5 years ago
I never said that the flood didn't kill all but 8
Kabane52 5 years ago
I agree with most of what you say in your videos, but this one I would respectfully disagree with. If it was a local flood, why the need for an ark? Why not just tell Noah to move a few hundred miles? Also, doesn't the Bible imply that the purpose of the flood was to kill everyone but 8 people so there could be a new start (Gen. 6:6-8, 13-14; 7:21-23)?
AtheistJ 5 years ago
simple answer: allegory and or metaphor.
Dashes000 5 years ago