violence creates violence. simple. what kind of lesson do you teach a child if you use violence? "dont do it again". why? because they have done something you disagree with? fine then don't chastise the child when they hit someone else for doing something they dont agree with. mental/emotional difficulties will pursue.
Are people really still this retarded that they can not teach there own children without violence? you will give your child all sorts of mental and emotional problems.
Spanking makes children fearful of their parents. Not only that but it teaches that he who is strong, holds the power, and that its ok to right a wrong by hitting someone. It's lazy-rather than taking time to teach your child why what he did was wrong, which takes time while spanking takes minutes. Not to mention, kids are so caught up with feeling treated unfairly that they forget why they were even spanked in the first place!!
What is all this about animals. LOL We are ppl. I'm not one of these ppl who have to freak out on other for having a different appinion, I just believe some kids more then others need to know there are consiquenses for their action, it's not about hurting them it's about scaring them to not want the consiquense.
@schneke1 I think 99.999% of most teachers are awesome, it is the system and the union the SUCKS and makes it impossible to demand accountability to those who do harm. BTW, I was a teacher.
Parents who use corporal punishment is a form of authoritarian parenting style. This form of parenting is likely to lead a child to become antisocial, hostile, withdraw, maladjust etc which has been demonstrated by many longitudinal correlation studies. Furthermore, aggressive behaviors by parents are likely to be modeled by children leading to future generation of aggressive parenting styles. For these reasons, I can't see how corporal punishment is any way effective.
corporal punishment cant be considered wisdom by new testiment standards james 3:17-18 but the wisdom that is from above is first pure,then peaceable, gentle,and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hipocracy. and the fruite of the riteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. corporal punishment cant be considered love by new testiment standards 1 john 4:18
Matt5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Corporal punishment is full of hipocracy and is not peacful or merciful and definitley not gentle so it can not be considered wisdom according to the new testiment's definition of wisdom. james 3:17-18 but the wisdom that is from above is first pure,then peaceable, gentle,and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hipocracy. and the fruite of the riteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
Nothing is unnatural...everything is within nature...I'd be careful..one could take that to mean that spanking is natural. Humans used to be, and treated their kids, just like animals, even killed them out of necessity. We are animals, just more intelligent and civilized now. I appreciate your no-spanking stance; I'm one who recognizes a gray area. And I don't understand your POV that spanking makes a parent appear as a sadist to their child. I think it would be evident if the parent
took pleasure, even to a child. The thing is, you, and everyone in your boat, seems to refer to HARD spanking or hitting. Some of us use non-painful striking, like a three-finger-bop on the top of the head. Totally non-painful, attention-getting, and stern, simply to convey the idea of how serious you are. I never let my anger or frustration come out at my daughter, I just do one bop, and then proceed to explain the error of her ways. Tell me this is abusive.
I can't tell you as a parent how to or how to not discipline your child, as long as its in bounds of not physical abuse, but what is physical abuse? From what I read, "physical force is illegal in 24 countries, but what constitutes as physical force?
We need to 1st establish that children are not adults and don't have the same rights. If you were to physically pick up your 4 yr old and force them out of the grocery store, most ppl would agree that it wouldn't be a violation or the right of your 4 year old. But of course If I were to do that to an adult and force them from one location to another, that would be physically abuse and kidnap. So really, what defines a parent's right to conscientiously raise their child?
...& unless you're paying the doctor bill to cut my foot out of my kids butt you can focus your conscientiousness in a place worth it. It's against my conscience not to spank a kid deserving of it. I'm not going to volley back & forth w/ someone who will never have to pay my kid's bail or be up at night burdened w/ the pain of a defiant child who may be on their way to a dirt nap, or doing unspeakable things against ppl like you. Thanks, but save it.
@GrimmReeferX It is not needed, you can do all of those things without the hitting. Just like we do not need a god to explain the universe, it is just extraneous and harmful bullshit.
It kills me how,some ppl are "over sensitive","Projectors" that try to make their traumatic experiences,everyone else's. MOST kids NEED a good whacking and their parents are too busy being WUSSIES to take action. Sure it's not the 1st recourse, but I'm talking about after things have already gotten way out of hand. When your son thinks he's grown,he's out of control & thinks he can run the house, KNOCK THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF HIM!!! Same for these little hot ass,smart mouthed girls!!
@rkzenrage Come on man,stick to the script. I'm not your son and you have no parental responsibility for me & my safety and education or general care. So that was a poor example. Sure your can TRY to hit me, but you wont like the results. ;-)
@rkzenrage Ahh, but you tend to ,hypocritically,lump all instances of violence together and it's many degrees in order to perpetuate your point. Realistically violence has it's place in society to preserve order.
There are many ways to discipline a child. I will pick & choose the way that seems more fitting & appropriate for my kid but I'm not going to pick and chose for someone else. No child should ever be beaten. Physical abuse & molestation are traumatizing. Spanking, however, isn't. Most like myself look back & laugh about it as adults It makes for a good youtube video. When done calmly & properly spanking is very useful. Ppl can do the naughty mat and the time out spanking worked on me.
Lets be real. Adults are not "spanked", they are sent to jail, prison or "the chair". Although I am strongly against physical abuse, there are crucial differences between spanking and physically abusing a child, that ppl on your side of the argument tend to by pass.
Most ppl adapt behaviors from their parents that, in their experience, worked. What could we confer from this? We all vary in experience & what works for me may not work for you. No 1 is wrong or right.
The POV of a loving parent who spanks their child, is that they are relaying the reality of consequences to their child before the world does it cruely. Self-defense is done toward someone who has intent to harm. Spanking (when done PROPERLY) is not intent to harm a child, rather, its done out of a parent's love & concern.
I encourage you to keep on expressing ur opinion against spanking, however its futile to squabble about it. I think both sides hit & miss no pun intended.
@ladyEulaelie Could it be...someone who knows what they are talking about? I had the same idea on straightd0pe's new vid, but I kept thinking how these pampered kids would never make it in the military. They would cry as soon as the DI got in their faces
I'm not a child, I'm a woman. Of course, in real life, children are dealt with differently than adults . Your question is so amazingly strange that I don't know why I bothered to respond. I'm a bit disappointed, I was hoping for a better response.
I'd be damned if my child crossed the line in disrespecting me, the way you see kids doing today, and walk away without dragging my foot out of their ass. Best believe. If I get a report that my child is being beyond out of control at school, cursing, hitting, disrespecting authority in any way, or bullying other kids, I'm going to bully their butt with a belt. Water can quench your thirst or it can drown you, in other words, there is a proper way to spank kids.
I was referring to what you wrote in your info box. I'm sure you know this. Of course, If you read what I wrote you shouldn't come to the conclusion that I think its right. Simply, I'm pointing out something you wouldn't know anything about, be that you are a white male. Much love =)
@schneke1 " wow. you've just said far more about yourself in the last 3 posts than me. "
Naw, you just can't come up with anything entertaining to say. YOUR complete lack of any type of WORTH a shit social life,is manifesting itself here. Do YOU even have any children of your own? Hmmm.. ANYway, you seem to be the type of jerk off,that goes to a party and "over intellectualizes" having a good time,just to make an excuse as to why she is NOT having one. I name call,bc its FUN.
@schneke1 Again, It's the QUEEN of ass-umptions!! How the fuck do you know if I'm NOT learning as we converse? I could be doing "string theory" right now, or going over the "Magna Carta" as we type back & forth. What I know is your a self righteous dick head, who needs a crowbar just to take off your panties. LMFAO This subject is highly debatable,hence our little dance. Ppl will apply whatever methods work for them,& all you PUSSIES that try to mandate how ppl live, should STFU!!
@schneke1 Yeah ,you already know how & why you are "playing dirty", I was simply pointing out that the "Saintly Teacher" is fallible as well. Since you seem to think you hold the monopoly on knowledge. It is the assumption of "what I will understand" that makes it sarcasm. Nice attempt at "mind games" hahahaha
@schneke1 Yeah it did make sense, you are just a full of shit asshole that THINKS you know everything." I'm so educated,so therefore ,I'M the definitive authority on the subject" is what you're saying. & you know what you're doing,so I'm not going to waste time convincing you of what you already know. You play dumb when it suits you. Yeah ,you're definitely the kind of person that wants steak all day,but doesn't want anyone to harm the cow. Yeah,& that's what parents do,what works.
@schneke1 "most of that post is unintelligible"--sure it was..smh..so now you're saying someone so basic as myself,is perplexing you? Or is it ,that you understand English when you want to? I'm saying every child and situation is different. Parents have to do what works. As for the sneaky 1, it seems the "Saint" likes to play dirty as well. Sarcasm seems to be your weapon of choice.Hmmm..
@schneke1 " you've just proved my point. It looks to me as though you attack education and the education system to excuse the fact you clearly don't have one."
So the fact that I have OBSERVED headlines in the news,means I'm uneducated? LMFAO I didn't say"All of anyone was anything" ,you're way of thinking told on you. How can someone so"rudimentary" as myself,make someone so"educated"so defensive?Just how is that possible?BTW, the later of which you pro-ported IS your attempt at a sneaky 1.
@schneke1 "clearly don't understand that you are way out of your league on this topic"
& What "league" would that be? The one's that RAPE the state's funding bc they CANT teach worth a damn,bc their kids DON'T respect lazy,fat assed,totally dependent of the Teacher's Edition for knowledge,poor excuse for "Educators",getting caught smoking weed on school grounds,dating the students,in some cases having KIDS with the KIDS? IS that what "League" I'm out of?
@schneke1 Again you ass-sume that I'm actually angry, why ,bc I capitalize? HAHAHAHAHA & THEN you again assume that I don't understand what you've said,why bc I disagree? THEN you TRY to defect the question by a poor attempt at distraction, by making a false accusation. Just answer the question,Teach. Or are you one of those educators that "care about the Kids" when everyone's watching,then date them when they're not?
@schneke1 The assumptions is in the fact that you limited the possibilities of methods,and then you proceed to assume that I ACTUALLY am honest about my position,and NOT playing "Devil's Advocate"to serve another purpose. The fact is you DIDN'T ASK me anything,you TOLD me what I might do. STILL an assumption. YOU KNOW THAT TEACH!! The reason they r "well behaved" might be they are smacked(disciplined) when they go home. How do you know?
@schneke1 Who said "spanking is MY only tool"? I didnt! DONT ASS_sume anything about me,ASK ME!! GOT THAT? The Problem is ,ppl like you ,that take personal traumatic situations,internalize them,then project those fears on to others. You might not like boxing either,or any type of contacts sports either,eh? IS that right ,teach? & YOU DON'T know, for sure, what happens when those kids go home. Unless you live w/ them, you can't honestly speak on them. Just what U see in CLASS.
non human animals do not have reasoning or are aware of consequences and education alternatives like human do. I won't even hit an animal or a child just because it is unfair, its an unfair fight. Its abused.
As an adult, we know right from wrong, leons do not. A shark does not know that he is being mean when he takes your leg off, he does not know the psychological damager he will cause you, he does not even know you feel pain because they do not know, we can't blame them. HUMANS on the other side, we know better, we know right from wrong. We know what PAIN is and we can chose between alternatives.
Time outs and all of that does NOT work. It's funny to me how all you (parental cowards) say violence is wrong,blah,blah,blah, YET, when someone breaks in your house while your there, what's the 1st thing you guys do? A: Grab a gun & defend yourselves. B: Call cops that carry guns to deal with it. Or C: All of the above. Totally hypocritical. Just say you want to create a spoiled little monster that you want to unleash on the world, while you sit back and admire the destruction.
@rkzenrage _ I didnt say he was violent. How could I ,I don't know yall. But you did NOT refute what I said at all in the video. Re-read it again,please. I'm saying in situations like self defense,war,pugilism,violence has it's place. So that is ALSO the real world.
the thing is that hitting a child won't serve as a deterrent from doing that. In contrary, it will make them more violent and resentful towards others. Study some psychology please.
@TengoNoNombre again I look at real world results and NOT academia in this case. In the real world when the neighborhood kids do something to you & your property,whom do you call? Ppl that carry guns & sticks& tazers. All violent tools used as a deterrent. Some ppl are just too weak & soft to apply what it really takes in the world. Like EVERYONE wants to eat steak,but some just don't want to have to kill the cow.
then we should spank adults too right? buddy you make no sense. A deterrent is ok but not a physical deterrent. Those officers carry that for violent criminals, they do not go around tazing and hitting children and when that is used it is usually to control violent minors and is used in extreme circumnstances and highly frown upon by everyone. You can deter a kid without spanking him. You are the pussy. And I call the cops if WOMEN get in my house, should we spank women too?
@TengoNoNombre yes ,we already do,my intellect challenged friend!! LMAO & the cops usually tell the parents to discipline(spank) their kids BEFORE they have to be called. But Officers WILL beat the shit outta minors,I've seen it happen,so,STFU. I never said it should be the 1st thing you try,but it SHOULD be an alternative. PUSSY!!! LMBAOAY That last part you said makes no sense,use better English please.
its funny how people who lose arguments tend to insult others out of desperation and now is English? next time learn to argue like an adult, even a 5 year old can understand what i wrote.
@TengoNoNombre I will rewrite it for you, I'd call the cops even if women get in my house, should we spank women too? (a woman trespassing) and I showed you that scenario because you think that only men can trespass or do tresspass. Women do commit crimes too and I do not think a women should be touched, let alone a minor whether or not she is commiting a crime.
and since you are a monolingual and are not capable of learning other language then I am using the third language I know which is English so mistakes are obvious, if you think that is not ok, then lets switch to Spanish and proof to me you can do better then which I highly doubt
@TengoNoNombre "and since you are a monolingual and are not capable of learning other language"
Seems as though I'm NOT the only one that can be arrogant. You ASS-umme that I only know one language,but since I'm NOT here to date you or for you to get to know me,think what you like,as I know Too many Mexicans are some of the biggest racists & are proud & bullheaded. I think you've shown that. If I was in Mexico,then Spanish would be necessary,but guess what?
typical ignorant way of thinking. Why Spanish classes, French classes and other languages in US universities are full? languages is not about necessity but about education. We are in a global economy and an individual with the knowledge of multiple languages have better opportunities in life and better view or the world overall.
@TengoNoNombre Its not about ""necessity"" but about "education"" and if you ever happen to go to college, you would know that Mexicans aren't the only ones who speak Spanish. More than 800 million ppl speak Spanish worldwide and I am not even Mexican. People all over the world learn Spanish,
English and Chinese without actually being in the USA, they do it because they have a better understanding of the world "education"" and the meaning of ""self improvement"", hald Chinese know English without stepping a foot in the USA or UK.
and since you say Mexicans are racists, that is the biggest generalization I have ever heard and tells me I am arguing with a complete idiot
@TengoNoNombre _sse that's the problem I described ,even b4 you typed your response. You hear/read what you want to see/hear. Hardheaded! I said they can be,got it so far,some of the(biggest racists),still w/ me? That means that some NOT all(obviously) can be that way. Some are loving and kind. Some are assholes like you. There was not generalization,you tried to make it be one.
@TengoNoNombre "Its not about ""necessity"" but about "education"" and if you ever happen to go to college,"--
In this case it is. You are the authority on NOTHING! You set no standard for ANYTHING. Reality is that we are in a ENGLISH speaking country,so therefore it is NOT necessity for me to speak Spanish,no matter how important you try to make it. It's STILL not. I speak 3 languages,and that's good enough for me,get over yourself.
the think is that i am not forcing you to speak Spanish so I don't know why you react that way, not my fault if you don't speak another language but don't criticize those who speak more languages than you cause you look like a moron. Again my English isn't perfect but way better than your Spanish.
And when you argue with someone, be more objective, focus on the topic not on silly personal things like my grammar for example, it makes you look like a teenager who does not know how to argue.
@TengoNoNombre You are the one that got off topic bc I made 1 remark about your shitty context,so YOU got offended(as I see this is a touchy subject to you) and WENT OFF!! LMAO I give lest than a shit about how I look to ppl I cant see,(DUURH) s that is a futile effort. So,I guess that means you COULDN'T get laid then. ROFLAY Trying to teach me how to argue,when you still believe in Mary, & Christ!! LOL They still make you ppl? Go whip yourself!! LOL LOL
too long didn't read. I do not support spanking kids but adults for you I do. You need someone pull your pants down and hit your behind until it bleeds and beg for no more. Then, you need to be put in a corner in front of me so I can teach you how to argue OBEJECTIVELY. i THINK this is the only way you would learn.
@TengoNoNombre Why don't you try it & see how it goes? HAHHAAHA For someone that opposes violence as a means of problem solving ,you sure have a funny way of solving problems. Ahhh, more hypocrisy. So,human.
I said I do NOT support spanking, learn how to read English or you want it in Spanish for your better understanding or the practicing of your no-second language? hahah retard, idiota, pendejo come mierda.
@TengoNoNombre -actually ,you piss yourself off!! If your so smart,go fix your own country,then talk shit!! Figure out how to clean the water down there 1st!!--you're too funny!!
look who is talking, a son of imigrants from europe, why don't you go jump back in the mayflower and go back to europe and then I go back to my country that by the way is an American country.
@TengoNoNombre "look who is talking, a son of imigrants from europe" WRONG AGAIN!! 1st of all it's spelled "immigrants",so much for your "my English is better than your Spanish" theory. & 2ndly ,I'm NOT from Europe, AT ALL! So try again....
@TengoNoNombre Su inglés sorbe pelotas de burro!! Y el hablar de más de una lengua no es un logro enorme. Usted es sólo un homosexual patético, que tiene que sentirse elegante a fin de validarse. Usted me hace contento que ellos pasaron aquella ley en Arizona. - LMAOAY
@RedSkullthagreat jajja so now you got your Spanish translator uh? so because yo are arguing with me then you are happy about Arizona law? so now you stereotype every Spanish? this proves to me how stupid and fucktard you are hahahahha
AND BY THE WAY i dont have pelotas de burro, no seas pendejo!
you are so lucky u are protected by the law in USA as if we were in Chile, by now I would have spanked you so bad that I bet I would change your mind about wanting to spank children. Maybe if you feel it and go through it, you'd finally realize that is wrong and not the proper way to correct a child's bad behavior. Only if I was in Chile, only one day in Chile! and I will change ur mind for the better kid and you would never speak like this to an adult again in ur life.
@TengoNoNombre "you are so lucky u are protected by the law in USA as if we were in Chile, by now I would have spanked you so bad that I bet I would change your mind about wanting to spank children."
HAHAHA --classic!!! You defeated yourself!! You couldn't handle the argument,so you resort to what you CLAIM to be against!! BTW, if we were in Chile, and you tried that shit,you'd have your brains air conditioned!!! LMFAO What a cunt!!
I AM against spanking children but YOU ARE AN EXCEPTION. You called me cunt, bitch, and many other stupid names. No need to insult when an adult argue with you. Its clear you do not know the meaning of respect and that is why I think you should be the exception cause you are at the edge of becoming a criminal so strong measures are needed for your own good. Do you speak like that to the police? to your teachers? to your parents? to the elders?
@TengoNoNombre Dont worry about how I speak to everyone else, I'm arguing with your dumbass!! You get disrespectful when you choose to,and you use violence when it suits your purpose,so that = A HYPOCRITE!!! ..AGAIN...YOU DEFEATED YOURSELF. A hard pill to swallow,I know, but drink some water with it,it will help...LMAO
@TengoNoNombre "do you realize you make people want to hit the fuck out of ur behind so you learn the meaning of "respect"?"
Do YOU realize that you have just negated you entire argument? Do YOU realize that you have just contradicted yourself,& then tried to justify it by saying I am the cause of your argument being weak in the 1st place.--Case closed,you lost. BTW, I could care less what anyone thinks of me,that doesn't pay my bills. In fact what ppl think of u doesn't change any facts.
I lost? pufff 90% of people are against spanking except for abusers like you. Violence leads to violence. Why spanking a minor? so you think is ok to protect adult women but not ok to protect minors? one can not hit a woman but its OK to hit a minor? that is illogical u little brat.
@TengoNoNombre -It doesn't matter if I agree or not ,with hitting children,women or men, it's human nature as I've proven by having this argument w/ you. Given proper motive,we ALL,got that?, ALL revert back to basics,no matter how sophisticated we pretend to be. Fake ass ppl kill me,the way they complicate their own lives by trying so desperately to go against the grain,for personal comfort,only to succumb to nature & what is natural.
@TengoNoNombre nope,just the arrogant,unruly motherfuckers like you!! You are the one projecting your stupidity and weakness on to others. So you would be the only fucktard here.
@TengoNoNombre -The THING is you CAN'T force me to do shit!! Even at gunpoint!! LMAO & OF course you don't know why I'd react that way,bc you don't know ALOT! I can critcize whomever I like to,again you worry about you. I haven't attempted to speak Spanish with you ,so you really don't know what I can speak,again that arrogant,hardheaded,racist Spanish shit right there. BTW,Spanish is easy to learn,so it's not much of an accomplishment,& what about some of your ppl that don't know it?
@TengoNoNombre Ohh STFU, you act like you are somehow going to get paid from YT. It's not that serious,but to the truly pathetic, it is. Go get laid ,if you can.
@TengoNoNombre oh,something like YOU did to me at 1st? LMAO Did you test it on a 5 year old,b4 you wrote it? I argue anyway I like dumbass,you set no standard for anything.
@TengoNoNombre -psychology.suggest that ppl remember pain as a reference to avoid danger,developed out of evolution. The 'ole fight or flight,subroutine. Studies show that ppl general develop resentment and become violent even when NOT spanked or disciplined at all. You are NOT as smart as you'd like to THINK your are.
Child buttock-battering for the purpose of gaining compliance is nothing more than an inherited bad habit.
Its a good idea for people to take a look at what they are doing, and learn how to DISCIPLINE instead of hit. Here are some good, quick reads recommended by professionals:
I totally agree w/you! Why hurt your kid when it's unnecessary? That's like (and I realize this is going to be a crappy example haha...but I don't have anymore examples at the moment) cutting off your kids are when they break it rather than doing the less painful and more logical thing: getting a cast put on it.
Personally, I agree with Schneke. Hitting is hitting whether you're punching someone in the face or smacking their butt. If your child smacked someone else on the butt, because they did not like that persons behavior would you deem that acceptable? When in reality they are just doing what you do to them. Or better yet, if your boss hit your butt, because you were late to work, would you accept that?
Children ARE people. They deserve the same common respect that we deserve from our bosses,
coworkers, friends, etc. It is NEVER necessary to spank a child. If you exhaust all possibilities (ie time out, loss of privileges, grounded, etc) eventually one of them will work. In my opinion spanking is a 'quick fix' it instills enough fear and hurt into the child to extinguish the bad behavior for the time being. How can you even imagine hitting a child? I have soon-to-be six younger siblings ranging from 16 to 1 yrs...if anybody EVER hurt them I'd drop kick their ass...and I'm their sister
so I can only imagine what most parents would do if someone hurt their child. It just feels unnecessary to hurt/scare your child just to get them to behavior. And please don't say spanking doesn't hurt or scare them...why do the children behavior when you spank them? Because hitting them hurt and they're scare ur going to do it again that's why! In my opinion that demonstrates poor parenting skills...not saying ur a bad parent, I would never say that, but ur parenting skills could use work.
I've dealt withchildren ofall agesfrom toddler to 19,20yrs of age. So I think I have some level of understanding. And irt to ur commentabout "intent" I will not respond because I can't believe you believe that....
Schneke if you look at it EVERYTHING is based on experimentation even the methods you use in child rearing... ontheGenesis of the earth therewas no manual for parenting, and spanking has been around for a long time,,, I know spankingworks because I turned out fine and I would never disrespect my mom. I've been dealing with childrenfor a long time my eldest nieceis 18 and I am an uncle ofnine, I've worked as a teachers assis for 5 yrs and have been tutoring other ppls kids since I was 15.
schneke i encourage you to keep doing what ure doing only because it works. Ill continue doing as i have. Like i said b4 which u seem to read over is that I DONT WANT TO SPANK children. I hate when it becomes necessary, therefore i set the necessary "boundaries" before hand. I work toward attaining the respect of a child not thru FEAR of pain or fear itself but through love and understanding. But i think u forget that children will be children and the spanking is not meant 2 hurt them but help.
Ok first lets try to sever any emotional feelings you may have about the subject, Its not about what u feel or may have went through. And if ur children are well behaved and respectful that is wonderful I dont suggest u change your method. However I will do what i believe is appropriate when appropriate.
Secondly, Spanking and violence are not the same, The two are different in INTENT and therefore in execution. Spanking is and shud not be done in anger and never with the intent to "injure".
I love and respect my children and I spanked them when the need arises. I have never hit them in anger. When I do spank them I have always explained to them why they are being spank. Noone has the right to tell me I cant spank them. My children are well behaved children and the need to spank them is rare. Your comment about the bible not containing wisdom is wrong. The bible is full of wisdom. I find your views very strange. I will not be watching any more of them.
And i will add that i would give ppl of sound mind, discretion, and integrity the authority to spank my child if their behavior is inappropriate. Not overly exxcessive but so that they get the pt. followed by some kind words of advice.
Oh yes i will indeed spank my nieces and nephew, I love them, i clean them fed them changed them took them out, bought things for them "NURTURED" them which give me every right to spank them WHEN NECESSARY.
Responsibility should not come without some level of authority. That is what community is about, it takes a village to raise a child, and if I see a child acting out in the streets i will say something. I've broken up street fights between kids because it was my duty as an adult . conside
sch: "LOVE THEM ENOUGH not to hit them" Bogus. If you love them, when you see fit to, you WILL and SHOULD spank them.
It is sad you equate spanking to non-love when the very truth is the other way around. A parent who does not spank their child WHEN NECESSARY is neglectful. I educate myself and i'm pro alternative forms of discipline but when those Fail or i have to repeat myself more than twice, i will use my hand which is NOT oftentimes.
Im reminded of a true story of a young man who went to jail for some very bad stuff he had done. His mother went to visit him in jail and he called her over to him from behind the cell i believe. He grabbed her head and bit her ear, he said his reason for doing so was because his mother never spanked him when he got out of order. So the prison is full of ppl who were spanked and who werent spanked. Ultimately it comes down to the child making a decision to or not to.
schn: "most of us don't spank our kids because we love and respect them" It is sad u equate spanking as you not loving your child. The truth is your afraid that your kids will think you dont love them... I dont have that problem with my niece and nephews. I DONT like spanking or want to but i do when i see fit to. They still think i love them and dont hate me 4 what i do. The problem with society 2day is extremism.I provide both love and discipline which "SOMETIMES" is in the form of spanking.
Murray Straus is so out of touch with reality that I am driven to wanting to smack the life out of him! He clearly wasnt smacked enough. He's a fool and so are you all if you believe that smacking is not good for a child when they play up. WAKE UP WORLD..
Most "nice christian parents" like mine spanked their children, maybe with good intentions, maybe not. But it doesn't matter what the intent is. Spanking also equates violence with love. Is it a coincidence that the US, which still advocates spanking, has much higher violent crime than "no-spanking" countries? I vowed to NEVER hit my son, even though I was a single parent, in university so I was extremely poor. My son is now a wonderful 23-year-old man. If you love your kids, don't hit them!
There are many, many studies that show the damage spanking causes. Aggression, inability to be intimate, inability to trust, future domestic violence, and sexual problems (to name a few). In sensitive children, it can cause post-traumatic stress, depression, and even addictions. There is no upside to spanking. I was spanked, and still carry the emotional scars. I became a bulimic, cocaine addict, and smoker. I was in an abusive marriage because I didn't respect my own body. Spanking is EVIL.
It is mostly christians who still support spanking children. Christians also supported hitting women (but not too hard, and only if they were disobedient), and owning slaves. You can't hit a 6'4" man - you would be prosecuted. Yet we can hit the smallest, most vulnerable people? It's insane. Hitting children damages their spirit, just like it damages and adult (only worse). It's incredible that any sane person can say that it's ok to hit children but not other members of society.
cause these fuckers don't have a brain. Since God did the big flood wait and you will see how they drawn their kids cause the bible said God did it, these idiots just don't get the message and take everything so literally.
@DREwestcoast Nope, my wife's job.
rkzenrage 1 month ago
i am sure this is being used for old freaks that get off on this shit. "didn't do me any harm" retards!
GrindstoneTom 1 month ago
violence creates violence. simple. what kind of lesson do you teach a child if you use violence? "dont do it again". why? because they have done something you disagree with? fine then don't chastise the child when they hit someone else for doing something they dont agree with. mental/emotional difficulties will pursue.
Are people really still this retarded that they can not teach there own children without violence? you will give your child all sorts of mental and emotional problems.
GrindstoneTom 1 month ago
And the whole "respect" idea is ridiculous. You can't trust or respect someone who hits you.
gingerisevil02 1 month ago
Spanking makes children fearful of their parents. Not only that but it teaches that he who is strong, holds the power, and that its ok to right a wrong by hitting someone. It's lazy-rather than taking time to teach your child why what he did was wrong, which takes time while spanking takes minutes. Not to mention, kids are so caught up with feeling treated unfairly that they forget why they were even spanked in the first place!!
gingerisevil02 1 month ago
What is all this about animals. LOL We are ppl. I'm not one of these ppl who have to freak out on other for having a different appinion, I just believe some kids more then others need to know there are consiquenses for their action, it's not about hurting them it's about scaring them to not want the consiquense.
jfaithttr 9 months ago
@jfaithttr Spanking does not teach a realistic consequence to actions.
rkzenrage 1 month ago
Bet you could lay on a mean one.
davids1258 9 months ago
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BabeyyJaeaa70 10 months ago
my parents spanked me when i deserved it (being bratty, throwing a tantrum, etc.) Made me a better person because of it
sociopathpsych 11 months ago
@sociopathpsych well im 9 and it doesnt help me :( and i dont like it
teasexytea 11 months ago
@teasexytea I am SO sorry you are being hit, you may need to tell someone.
rkzenrage 1 month ago
If you don't know how to spank a child correctly, i.e. you're not trying to teach them something, but are spanking out of anger, don't do it.
Children do not have the same mind as adults; punishment for an adult's is stricter than for a child.
All you have to do is, when the child does something wrong, warn the child. If s/he repeats the act, spank the child & tell him/her the reason.
1tymthing 1 year ago
@1tymthing I do know how to properly... don't, ever.
rkzenrage 1 year ago 3
@rkzenrage I wasn't saying that you (in particular) don't know how to. I was making a general statement.
1tymthing 1 year ago
@rkzenrage Precisely.
rkzenrage 1 month ago
@1tymthing There is no "correct" way to hit a child.
rkzenrage 1 month ago
@schneke1 I hope you washed your hands.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@schneke1 I think 99.999% of most teachers are awesome, it is the system and the union the SUCKS and makes it impossible to demand accountability to those who do harm. BTW, I was a teacher.
rkzenrage 1 year ago 3
@rkzenrage Yup, not being able to hold teachers accountable for their actions is a HUGE problem due to the unions.
rkzenrage 1 month ago
Parents who use corporal punishment is a form of authoritarian parenting style. This form of parenting is likely to lead a child to become antisocial, hostile, withdraw, maladjust etc which has been demonstrated by many longitudinal correlation studies. Furthermore, aggressive behaviors by parents are likely to be modeled by children leading to future generation of aggressive parenting styles. For these reasons, I can't see how corporal punishment is any way effective.
xEternalx 1 year ago 3
@xEternalx Well written!
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage
Hey there! Thanks for the compliment. I'm really flattered.
xEternalx 1 year ago
corporal punishment cant be considered wisdom by new testiment standards james 3:17-18 but the wisdom that is from above is first pure,then peaceable, gentle,and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hipocracy. and the fruite of the riteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. corporal punishment cant be considered love by new testiment standards 1 john 4:18
guidav123 1 year ago
@guidav123
Matt5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
rkzenrage 1 month ago
@rkzenrage
Matt5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
rkzenrage 1 month ago
Corporal punishment is full of hipocracy and is not peacful or merciful and definitley not gentle so it can not be considered wisdom according to the new testiment's definition of wisdom. james 3:17-18 but the wisdom that is from above is first pure,then peaceable, gentle,and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hipocracy. and the fruite of the riteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
guidav123 1 year ago
Nothing is unnatural...everything is within nature...I'd be careful..one could take that to mean that spanking is natural. Humans used to be, and treated their kids, just like animals, even killed them out of necessity. We are animals, just more intelligent and civilized now. I appreciate your no-spanking stance; I'm one who recognizes a gray area. And I don't understand your POV that spanking makes a parent appear as a sadist to their child. I think it would be evident if the parent
GrimmReeferX 1 year ago
took pleasure, even to a child. The thing is, you, and everyone in your boat, seems to refer to HARD spanking or hitting. Some of us use non-painful striking, like a three-finger-bop on the top of the head. Totally non-painful, attention-getting, and stern, simply to convey the idea of how serious you are. I never let my anger or frustration come out at my daughter, I just do one bop, and then proceed to explain the error of her ways. Tell me this is abusive.
GrimmReeferX 1 year ago
@GrimmReeferX
I can't tell you as a parent how to or how to not discipline your child, as long as its in bounds of not physical abuse, but what is physical abuse? From what I read, "physical force is illegal in 24 countries, but what constitutes as physical force?
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ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@GrimmReeferX
We need to 1st establish that children are not adults and don't have the same rights. If you were to physically pick up your 4 yr old and force them out of the grocery store, most ppl would agree that it wouldn't be a violation or the right of your 4 year old. But of course If I were to do that to an adult and force them from one location to another, that would be physically abuse and kidnap. So really, what defines a parent's right to conscientiously raise their child?
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie There is NOTHING conscientious about hitting.
rkzenrage 1 month ago
@rkzenrage
...& unless you're paying the doctor bill to cut my foot out of my kids butt you can focus your conscientiousness in a place worth it. It's against my conscience not to spank a kid deserving of it. I'm not going to volley back & forth w/ someone who will never have to pay my kid's bail or be up at night burdened w/ the pain of a defiant child who may be on their way to a dirt nap, or doing unspeakable things against ppl like you. Thanks, but save it.
ladyEulaelie 1 month ago
@GrimmReeferX It is not needed, you can do all of those things without the hitting. Just like we do not need a god to explain the universe, it is just extraneous and harmful bullshit.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage Well put.
rkzenrage 1 month ago
@GrimmReeferX I don't see it as natural or unnatural, just something that is wrong.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@GrimmReeferX Spanking is natural... natural does not mean good. Arsenic is natural.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@GrimmReeferX My point is that our intellect should bring us past "nature".
rkzenrage 1 month ago
if you need to hit your kids, make sure you let someone much bigger than you hit you first then you will know what it's like.
bigpowerfulpeople 1 year ago 2
@bigpowerfulpeople Fortunately no one ever "needs" to hit their kids.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@bigpowerfulpeople Exactly, perhaps we should start that for traffic tickets and littering... NOT!
rkzenrage 1 month ago
It kills me how,some ppl are "over sensitive","Projectors" that try to make their traumatic experiences,everyone else's. MOST kids NEED a good whacking and their parents are too busy being WUSSIES to take action. Sure it's not the 1st recourse, but I'm talking about after things have already gotten way out of hand. When your son thinks he's grown,he's out of control & thinks he can run the house, KNOCK THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF HIM!!! Same for these little hot ass,smart mouthed girls!!
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@RedSkullthagreat This reply is pretty smart-ass... by your reasoning I should hit you.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage Come on man,stick to the script. I'm not your son and you have no parental responsibility for me & my safety and education or general care. So that was a poor example. Sure your can TRY to hit me, but you wont like the results. ;-)
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@RedSkullthagreat Pathetic. See the result of violence people.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage Ahh, but you tend to ,hypocritically,lump all instances of violence together and it's many degrees in order to perpetuate your point. Realistically violence has it's place in society to preserve order.
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@RedSkullthagreat Sure, for self defense.
rkzenrage 1 month ago
There are many ways to discipline a child. I will pick & choose the way that seems more fitting & appropriate for my kid but I'm not going to pick and chose for someone else. No child should ever be beaten. Physical abuse & molestation are traumatizing. Spanking, however, isn't. Most like myself look back & laugh about it as adults It makes for a good youtube video. When done calmly & properly spanking is very useful. Ppl can do the naughty mat and the time out spanking worked on me.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie AMEN!! Well said, I couldn't agree more!!
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@RedSkullthagreat Thanks.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie So if someone forcibly spanked you, you would not consider it battery?
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage
No, not if I were a kid and I deserved it. =)
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Did I mention your age and no one deserves to be hit unless it is direct self-defense.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage
Lets be real. Adults are not "spanked", they are sent to jail, prison or "the chair". Although I am strongly against physical abuse, there are crucial differences between spanking and physically abusing a child, that ppl on your side of the argument tend to by pass.
Most ppl adapt behaviors from their parents that, in their experience, worked. What could we confer from this? We all vary in experience & what works for me may not work for you. No 1 is wrong or right.
cont..
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@rkzenrage
The POV of a loving parent who spanks their child, is that they are relaying the reality of consequences to their child before the world does it cruely. Self-defense is done toward someone who has intent to harm. Spanking (when done PROPERLY) is not intent to harm a child, rather, its done out of a parent's love & concern.
I encourage you to keep on expressing ur opinion against spanking, however its futile to squabble about it. I think both sides hit & miss no pun intended.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Could it be...someone who knows what they are talking about? I had the same idea on straightd0pe's new vid, but I kept thinking how these pampered kids would never make it in the military. They would cry as soon as the DI got in their faces
GrimmReeferX 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Really? In 'real life" you get spanked?
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage No, in real life you get much worse.
GrimmReeferX 1 year ago
@GrimmReeferX Still does not make it the right thing to do.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage
I'm not a child, I'm a woman. Of course, in real life, children are dealt with differently than adults . Your question is so amazingly strange that I don't know why I bothered to respond. I'm a bit disappointed, I was hoping for a better response.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie So, if someone does it to you it's not assault right?
rkzenrage 1 month ago
@rkzenrage It WAS done to me (thank God) and NO, it was not assault.
ladyEulaelie 1 month ago
@rkzenrage
I'd be damned if my child crossed the line in disrespecting me, the way you see kids doing today, and walk away without dragging my foot out of their ass. Best believe. If I get a report that my child is being beyond out of control at school, cursing, hitting, disrespecting authority in any way, or bullying other kids, I'm going to bully their butt with a belt. Water can quench your thirst or it can drown you, in other words, there is a proper way to spank kids.
ladyEulaelie 1 month ago
"in life a cop does not pull you over for speeding, slap you then let you go on your way."
Lol when you're the right skin color...yes, sometimes they do. Thats life.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie So you think this is something that is right... nice.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage
I was referring to what you wrote in your info box. I'm sure you know this. Of course, If you read what I wrote you shouldn't come to the conclusion that I think its right. Simply, I'm pointing out something you wouldn't know anything about, be that you are a white male. Much love =)
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie So, white males are never hit by the police? I know that to be untrue.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage
When you point out where I said that white males are never hit by the police, let me know.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie "something you wouldn't know anything about, be that you are a white male"
rkzenrage 1 year ago
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@schneke1 " wow. you've just said far more about yourself in the last 3 posts than me. "
Naw, you just can't come up with anything entertaining to say. YOUR complete lack of any type of WORTH a shit social life,is manifesting itself here. Do YOU even have any children of your own? Hmmm.. ANYway, you seem to be the type of jerk off,that goes to a party and "over intellectualizes" having a good time,just to make an excuse as to why she is NOT having one. I name call,bc its FUN.
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@schneke1 Again, It's the QUEEN of ass-umptions!! How the fuck do you know if I'm NOT learning as we converse? I could be doing "string theory" right now, or going over the "Magna Carta" as we type back & forth. What I know is your a self righteous dick head, who needs a crowbar just to take off your panties. LMFAO This subject is highly debatable,hence our little dance. Ppl will apply whatever methods work for them,& all you PUSSIES that try to mandate how ppl live, should STFU!!
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@schneke1 Yeah ,you already know how & why you are "playing dirty", I was simply pointing out that the "Saintly Teacher" is fallible as well. Since you seem to think you hold the monopoly on knowledge. It is the assumption of "what I will understand" that makes it sarcasm. Nice attempt at "mind games" hahahaha
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@schneke1 Yeah it did make sense, you are just a full of shit asshole that THINKS you know everything." I'm so educated,so therefore ,I'M the definitive authority on the subject" is what you're saying. & you know what you're doing,so I'm not going to waste time convincing you of what you already know. You play dumb when it suits you. Yeah ,you're definitely the kind of person that wants steak all day,but doesn't want anyone to harm the cow. Yeah,& that's what parents do,what works.
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@schneke1 "most of that post is unintelligible"--sure it was..smh..so now you're saying someone so basic as myself,is perplexing you? Or is it ,that you understand English when you want to? I'm saying every child and situation is different. Parents have to do what works. As for the sneaky 1, it seems the "Saint" likes to play dirty as well. Sarcasm seems to be your weapon of choice.Hmmm..
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@schneke1 maybe..so
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@schneke1 so, that means you LIVE w/ them,then? Your around ALL the time w/ them?
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@schneke1 " you've just proved my point. It looks to me as though you attack education and the education system to excuse the fact you clearly don't have one."
So the fact that I have OBSERVED headlines in the news,means I'm uneducated? LMFAO I didn't say"All of anyone was anything" ,you're way of thinking told on you. How can someone so"rudimentary" as myself,make someone so"educated"so defensive?Just how is that possible?BTW, the later of which you pro-ported IS your attempt at a sneaky 1.
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@schneke1 "clearly don't understand that you are way out of your league on this topic"
& What "league" would that be? The one's that RAPE the state's funding bc they CANT teach worth a damn,bc their kids DON'T respect lazy,fat assed,totally dependent of the Teacher's Edition for knowledge,poor excuse for "Educators",getting caught smoking weed on school grounds,dating the students,in some cases having KIDS with the KIDS? IS that what "League" I'm out of?
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@schneke1 Again you ass-sume that I'm actually angry, why ,bc I capitalize? HAHAHAHAHA & THEN you again assume that I don't understand what you've said,why bc I disagree? THEN you TRY to defect the question by a poor attempt at distraction, by making a false accusation. Just answer the question,Teach. Or are you one of those educators that "care about the Kids" when everyone's watching,then date them when they're not?
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@schneke1 The assumptions is in the fact that you limited the possibilities of methods,and then you proceed to assume that I ACTUALLY am honest about my position,and NOT playing "Devil's Advocate"to serve another purpose. The fact is you DIDN'T ASK me anything,you TOLD me what I might do. STILL an assumption. YOU KNOW THAT TEACH!! The reason they r "well behaved" might be they are smacked(disciplined) when they go home. How do you know?
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@schneke1 Who said "spanking is MY only tool"? I didnt! DONT ASS_sume anything about me,ASK ME!! GOT THAT? The Problem is ,ppl like you ,that take personal traumatic situations,internalize them,then project those fears on to others. You might not like boxing either,or any type of contacts sports either,eh? IS that right ,teach? & YOU DON'T know, for sure, what happens when those kids go home. Unless you live w/ them, you can't honestly speak on them. Just what U see in CLASS.
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
2 FUSSY
Emz176 1 year ago
non human animals do not have reasoning or are aware of consequences and education alternatives like human do. I won't even hit an animal or a child just because it is unfair, its an unfair fight. Its abused.
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre
As an adult, we know right from wrong, leons do not. A shark does not know that he is being mean when he takes your leg off, he does not know the psychological damager he will cause you, he does not even know you feel pain because they do not know, we can't blame them. HUMANS on the other side, we know better, we know right from wrong. We know what PAIN is and we can chose between alternatives.
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
Time outs and all of that does NOT work. It's funny to me how all you (parental cowards) say violence is wrong,blah,blah,blah, YET, when someone breaks in your house while your there, what's the 1st thing you guys do? A: Grab a gun & defend yourselves. B: Call cops that carry guns to deal with it. Or C: All of the above. Totally hypocritical. Just say you want to create a spoiled little monster that you want to unleash on the world, while you sit back and admire the destruction.
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@RedSkullthagreat My son is not violent, quite the opposite. I clearly address the self-defense point and refute it clearly in the video.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage _ I didnt say he was violent. How could I ,I don't know yall. But you did NOT refute what I said at all in the video. Re-read it again,please. I'm saying in situations like self defense,war,pugilism,violence has it's place. So that is ALSO the real world.
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@RedSkullthagreat I should have typed "If you want to create a spoiled little monster,to unleash on the world then just say so."
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@RedSkullthagreat
the thing is that hitting a child won't serve as a deterrent from doing that. In contrary, it will make them more violent and resentful towards others. Study some psychology please.
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre again I look at real world results and NOT academia in this case. In the real world when the neighborhood kids do something to you & your property,whom do you call? Ppl that carry guns & sticks& tazers. All violent tools used as a deterrent. Some ppl are just too weak & soft to apply what it really takes in the world. Like EVERYONE wants to eat steak,but some just don't want to have to kill the cow.
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@RedSkullthagreat
then we should spank adults too right? buddy you make no sense. A deterrent is ok but not a physical deterrent. Those officers carry that for violent criminals, they do not go around tazing and hitting children and when that is used it is usually to control violent minors and is used in extreme circumnstances and highly frown upon by everyone. You can deter a kid without spanking him. You are the pussy. And I call the cops if WOMEN get in my house, should we spank women too?
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre yes ,we already do,my intellect challenged friend!! LMAO & the cops usually tell the parents to discipline(spank) their kids BEFORE they have to be called. But Officers WILL beat the shit outta minors,I've seen it happen,so,STFU. I never said it should be the 1st thing you try,but it SHOULD be an alternative. PUSSY!!! LMBAOAY That last part you said makes no sense,use better English please.
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@RedSkullthagreat
its funny how people who lose arguments tend to insult others out of desperation and now is English? next time learn to argue like an adult, even a 5 year old can understand what i wrote.
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre I will rewrite it for you, I'd call the cops even if women get in my house, should we spank women too? (a woman trespassing) and I showed you that scenario because you think that only men can trespass or do tresspass. Women do commit crimes too and I do not think a women should be touched, let alone a minor whether or not she is commiting a crime.
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre
and since you are a monolingual and are not capable of learning other language then I am using the third language I know which is English so mistakes are obvious, if you think that is not ok, then lets switch to Spanish and proof to me you can do better then which I highly doubt
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre
lastly I am sure my English is better than ur Spanish. You arrogance is second to your ignorance sir.
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre _ you are "sure" of nothing.
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre "and since you are a monolingual and are not capable of learning other language"
Seems as though I'm NOT the only one that can be arrogant. You ASS-umme that I only know one language,but since I'm NOT here to date you or for you to get to know me,think what you like,as I know Too many Mexicans are some of the biggest racists & are proud & bullheaded. I think you've shown that. If I was in Mexico,then Spanish would be necessary,but guess what?
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@RedSkullthagreat
typical ignorant way of thinking. Why Spanish classes, French classes and other languages in US universities are full? languages is not about necessity but about education. We are in a global economy and an individual with the knowledge of multiple languages have better opportunities in life and better view or the world overall.
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre Its not about ""necessity"" but about "education"" and if you ever happen to go to college, you would know that Mexicans aren't the only ones who speak Spanish. More than 800 million ppl speak Spanish worldwide and I am not even Mexican. People all over the world learn Spanish,
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre
English and Chinese without actually being in the USA, they do it because they have a better understanding of the world "education"" and the meaning of ""self improvement"", hald Chinese know English without stepping a foot in the USA or UK.
and since you say Mexicans are racists, that is the biggest generalization I have ever heard and tells me I am arguing with a complete idiot
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre _sse that's the problem I described ,even b4 you typed your response. You hear/read what you want to see/hear. Hardheaded! I said they can be,got it so far,some of the(biggest racists),still w/ me? That means that some NOT all(obviously) can be that way. Some are loving and kind. Some are assholes like you. There was not generalization,you tried to make it be one.
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre "Its not about ""necessity"" but about "education"" and if you ever happen to go to college,"--
In this case it is. You are the authority on NOTHING! You set no standard for ANYTHING. Reality is that we are in a ENGLISH speaking country,so therefore it is NOT necessity for me to speak Spanish,no matter how important you try to make it. It's STILL not. I speak 3 languages,and that's good enough for me,get over yourself.
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre -matter of fact YOU need a good ass whipping RIGHT NOW!! LMAOAY
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@RedSkullthagreat
@RedSkullthagreat
the think is that i am not forcing you to speak Spanish so I don't know why you react that way, not my fault if you don't speak another language but don't criticize those who speak more languages than you cause you look like a moron. Again my English isn't perfect but way better than your Spanish.
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre
And when you argue with someone, be more objective, focus on the topic not on silly personal things like my grammar for example, it makes you look like a teenager who does not know how to argue.
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre You are the one that got off topic bc I made 1 remark about your shitty context,so YOU got offended(as I see this is a touchy subject to you) and WENT OFF!! LMAO I give lest than a shit about how I look to ppl I cant see,(DUURH) s that is a futile effort. So,I guess that means you COULDN'T get laid then. ROFLAY Trying to teach me how to argue,when you still believe in Mary, & Christ!! LOL They still make you ppl? Go whip yourself!! LOL LOL
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@RedSkullthagreat
too long didn't read. I do not support spanking kids but adults for you I do. You need someone pull your pants down and hit your behind until it bleeds and beg for no more. Then, you need to be put in a corner in front of me so I can teach you how to argue OBEJECTIVELY. i THINK this is the only way you would learn.
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre Why don't you try it & see how it goes? HAHHAAHA For someone that opposes violence as a means of problem solving ,you sure have a funny way of solving problems. Ahhh, more hypocrisy. So,human.
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@RedSkullthagreat
I said I do NOT support spanking, learn how to read English or you want it in Spanish for your better understanding or the practicing of your no-second language? hahah retard, idiota, pendejo come mierda.
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
@redskull
of course spanking is bad but you are the exception, for real. U piss me off.
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre -actually ,you piss yourself off!! If your so smart,go fix your own country,then talk shit!! Figure out how to clean the water down there 1st!!--you're too funny!!
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@RedSkullthagreat
look who is talking, a son of imigrants from europe, why don't you go jump back in the mayflower and go back to europe and then I go back to my country that by the way is an American country.
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre "look who is talking, a son of imigrants from europe" WRONG AGAIN!! 1st of all it's spelled "immigrants",so much for your "my English is better than your Spanish" theory. & 2ndly ,I'm NOT from Europe, AT ALL! So try again....
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@RedSkullthagreat
too long, didn't read again. Oops sorry teacher, i have to go back to correct my English grammar, is "fuck off" correctly spelled?
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
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@TengoNoNombre "too long, didn't read again." Well un-cross your eyes you retarded,lazy bastard!! LMFAO or jajajajajajajaja (WTF) goddamn "coyote" talk!!
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre Su inglés sorbe pelotas de burro!! Y el hablar de más de una lengua no es un logro enorme. Usted es sólo un homosexual patético, que tiene que sentirse elegante a fin de validarse. Usted me hace contento que ellos pasaron aquella ley en Arizona. - LMAOAY
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@RedSkullthagreat jajja so now you got your Spanish translator uh? so because yo are arguing with me then you are happy about Arizona law? so now you stereotype every Spanish? this proves to me how stupid and fucktard you are hahahahha
AND BY THE WAY i dont have pelotas de burro, no seas pendejo!
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
@RedSjulthagreat
do you realize what the owner of this channel thinks about you?
do you realize that you make people think that is ok to spank when they see how disrespectful you are?
do you realize you make people want to hit the fuck out of ur behind so you learn the meaning of "respect"?
do you realize what you are doing to the ones against physical violence? you are making us think twice about it.
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
@RedSujulthagreat
you are so lucky u are protected by the law in USA as if we were in Chile, by now I would have spanked you so bad that I bet I would change your mind about wanting to spank children. Maybe if you feel it and go through it, you'd finally realize that is wrong and not the proper way to correct a child's bad behavior. Only if I was in Chile, only one day in Chile! and I will change ur mind for the better kid and you would never speak like this to an adult again in ur life.
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre "you are so lucky u are protected by the law in USA as if we were in Chile, by now I would have spanked you so bad that I bet I would change your mind about wanting to spank children."
HAHAHA --classic!!! You defeated yourself!! You couldn't handle the argument,so you resort to what you CLAIM to be against!! BTW, if we were in Chile, and you tried that shit,you'd have your brains air conditioned!!! LMFAO What a cunt!!
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@RedSkullthagreat
I AM against spanking children but YOU ARE AN EXCEPTION. You called me cunt, bitch, and many other stupid names. No need to insult when an adult argue with you. Its clear you do not know the meaning of respect and that is why I think you should be the exception cause you are at the edge of becoming a criminal so strong measures are needed for your own good. Do you speak like that to the police? to your teachers? to your parents? to the elders?
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre Dont worry about how I speak to everyone else, I'm arguing with your dumbass!! You get disrespectful when you choose to,and you use violence when it suits your purpose,so that = A HYPOCRITE!!! ..AGAIN...YOU DEFEATED YOURSELF. A hard pill to swallow,I know, but drink some water with it,it will help...LMAO
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre "do you realize you make people want to hit the fuck out of ur behind so you learn the meaning of "respect"?"
Do YOU realize that you have just negated you entire argument? Do YOU realize that you have just contradicted yourself,& then tried to justify it by saying I am the cause of your argument being weak in the 1st place.--Case closed,you lost. BTW, I could care less what anyone thinks of me,that doesn't pay my bills. In fact what ppl think of u doesn't change any facts.
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@RedSkullthagreat
I lost? pufff 90% of people are against spanking except for abusers like you. Violence leads to violence. Why spanking a minor? so you think is ok to protect adult women but not ok to protect minors? one can not hit a woman but its OK to hit a minor? that is illogical u little brat.
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre -It doesn't matter if I agree or not ,with hitting children,women or men, it's human nature as I've proven by having this argument w/ you. Given proper motive,we ALL,got that?, ALL revert back to basics,no matter how sophisticated we pretend to be. Fake ass ppl kill me,the way they complicate their own lives by trying so desperately to go against the grain,for personal comfort,only to succumb to nature & what is natural.
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre nope,just the arrogant,unruly motherfuckers like you!! You are the one projecting your stupidity and weakness on to others. So you would be the only fucktard here.
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre -The THING is you CAN'T force me to do shit!! Even at gunpoint!! LMAO & OF course you don't know why I'd react that way,bc you don't know ALOT! I can critcize whomever I like to,again you worry about you. I haven't attempted to speak Spanish with you ,so you really don't know what I can speak,again that arrogant,hardheaded,racist Spanish shit right there. BTW,Spanish is easy to learn,so it's not much of an accomplishment,& what about some of your ppl that don't know it?
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre Yes ,we SHOULD spank women too. ESPECIALLY nowadays. Some women will even pay you for it,TRUST me ,I know,tee hee.
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre you meant to say " fi women BRAKE in your house", your welcome.
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@RedSkullthagreat -oopps, I meant "break" in your house. Hee hee
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@RedSkullthagreat
actually a retarded person ends up arguing about english and forgets about the topic, how old are you? 10?
I can see the presidents arguing about global economy and one of the presidents coming out and saying "'break"" hehehehe
that is how stupid and childish you look
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre Ohh STFU, you act like you are somehow going to get paid from YT. It's not that serious,but to the truly pathetic, it is. Go get laid ,if you can.
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre "actually a retarded person ends up arguing about english and forgets about the topic, "
So are you saying that you are retarded?
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre oh,something like YOU did to me at 1st? LMAO Did you test it on a 5 year old,b4 you wrote it? I argue anyway I like dumbass,you set no standard for anything.
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
@TengoNoNombre -psychology.suggest that ppl remember pain as a reference to avoid danger,developed out of evolution. The 'ole fight or flight,subroutine. Studies show that ppl general develop resentment and become violent even when NOT spanked or disciplined at all. You are NOT as smart as you'd like to THINK your are.
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
Child buttock-battering vs. DISCIPLINE:
Child buttock-battering for the purpose of gaining compliance is nothing more than an inherited bad habit.
Its a good idea for people to take a look at what they are doing, and learn how to DISCIPLINE instead of hit.
PhDeverit 2 years ago
Discipline is about showing someone why what they did was wrong and teaching them how to avoid making the same mistake again in the future.
Hitting them does none of this.
rkzenrage 2 years ago
Child buttock-battering vs. DISCIPLINE:
Child buttock-battering for the purpose of gaining compliance is nothing more than an inherited bad habit.
Its a good idea for people to take a look at what they are doing, and learn how to DISCIPLINE instead of hit. Here are some good, quick reads recommended by professionals:
Plain Talk About Spanking
by Jordan Riak,
The Sexual Dangers of Spanking Children
by Tom Johnson,
NO VITAL ORGANS THERE, So They Say
by Lesli Taylor M.D. and Adah Maurer Ph.D.
PhDeverit 2 years ago
spanking is what stupid parents do when they can't figure out how to control their kids.
nature2rule 2 years ago
Crying is what educated fools will do when the get hit by their children.
benshabak 2 years ago 4
I totally agree w/you! Why hurt your kid when it's unnecessary? That's like (and I realize this is going to be a crappy example haha...but I don't have anymore examples at the moment) cutting off your kids are when they break it rather than doing the less painful and more logical thing: getting a cast put on it.
Breamarie91 2 years ago
Personally, I agree with Schneke. Hitting is hitting whether you're punching someone in the face or smacking their butt. If your child smacked someone else on the butt, because they did not like that persons behavior would you deem that acceptable? When in reality they are just doing what you do to them. Or better yet, if your boss hit your butt, because you were late to work, would you accept that?
Children ARE people. They deserve the same common respect that we deserve from our bosses,
Breamarie91 2 years ago
coworkers, friends, etc. It is NEVER necessary to spank a child. If you exhaust all possibilities (ie time out, loss of privileges, grounded, etc) eventually one of them will work. In my opinion spanking is a 'quick fix' it instills enough fear and hurt into the child to extinguish the bad behavior for the time being. How can you even imagine hitting a child? I have soon-to-be six younger siblings ranging from 16 to 1 yrs...if anybody EVER hurt them I'd drop kick their ass...and I'm their sister
Breamarie91 2 years ago
so I can only imagine what most parents would do if someone hurt their child. It just feels unnecessary to hurt/scare your child just to get them to behavior. And please don't say spanking doesn't hurt or scare them...why do the children behavior when you spank them? Because hitting them hurt and they're scare ur going to do it again that's why! In my opinion that demonstrates poor parenting skills...not saying ur a bad parent, I would never say that, but ur parenting skills could use work.
Breamarie91 2 years ago
Oki see the mind I'm dealingwith. No matter how relevant the response u will nothear it.wow thank you for proving my pt,
liberatedvialove 2 years ago
U're doing it again....
liberatedvialove 2 years ago
I've dealt withchildren ofall agesfrom toddler to 19,20yrs of age. So I think I have some level of understanding. And irt to ur commentabout "intent" I will not respond because I can't believe you believe that....
liberatedvialove 2 years ago
Schneke if you look at it EVERYTHING is based on experimentation even the methods you use in child rearing... ontheGenesis of the earth therewas no manual for parenting, and spanking has been around for a long time,,, I know spankingworks because I turned out fine and I would never disrespect my mom. I've been dealing with childrenfor a long time my eldest nieceis 18 and I am an uncle ofnine, I've worked as a teachers assis for 5 yrs and have been tutoring other ppls kids since I was 15.
liberatedvialove 2 years ago
schneke i encourage you to keep doing what ure doing only because it works. Ill continue doing as i have. Like i said b4 which u seem to read over is that I DONT WANT TO SPANK children. I hate when it becomes necessary, therefore i set the necessary "boundaries" before hand. I work toward attaining the respect of a child not thru FEAR of pain or fear itself but through love and understanding. But i think u forget that children will be children and the spanking is not meant 2 hurt them but help.
liberatedvialove 2 years ago
Ok first lets try to sever any emotional feelings you may have about the subject, Its not about what u feel or may have went through. And if ur children are well behaved and respectful that is wonderful I dont suggest u change your method. However I will do what i believe is appropriate when appropriate.
Secondly, Spanking and violence are not the same, The two are different in INTENT and therefore in execution. Spanking is and shud not be done in anger and never with the intent to "injure".
liberatedvialove 2 years ago
I love and respect my children and I spanked them when the need arises. I have never hit them in anger. When I do spank them I have always explained to them why they are being spank. Noone has the right to tell me I cant spank them. My children are well behaved children and the need to spank them is rare. Your comment about the bible not containing wisdom is wrong. The bible is full of wisdom. I find your views very strange. I will not be watching any more of them.
whaddidisay 2 years ago
And i will add that i would give ppl of sound mind, discretion, and integrity the authority to spank my child if their behavior is inappropriate. Not overly exxcessive but so that they get the pt. followed by some kind words of advice.
liberatedvialove 2 years ago
Oh yes i will indeed spank my nieces and nephew, I love them, i clean them fed them changed them took them out, bought things for them "NURTURED" them which give me every right to spank them WHEN NECESSARY.
Responsibility should not come without some level of authority. That is what community is about, it takes a village to raise a child, and if I see a child acting out in the streets i will say something. I've broken up street fights between kids because it was my duty as an adult . conside
liberatedvialove 2 years ago
sch: "LOVE THEM ENOUGH not to hit them" Bogus. If you love them, when you see fit to, you WILL and SHOULD spank them.
It is sad you equate spanking to non-love when the very truth is the other way around. A parent who does not spank their child WHEN NECESSARY is neglectful. I educate myself and i'm pro alternative forms of discipline but when those Fail or i have to repeat myself more than twice, i will use my hand which is NOT oftentimes.
liberatedvialove 2 years ago
Im reminded of a true story of a young man who went to jail for some very bad stuff he had done. His mother went to visit him in jail and he called her over to him from behind the cell i believe. He grabbed her head and bit her ear, he said his reason for doing so was because his mother never spanked him when he got out of order. So the prison is full of ppl who were spanked and who werent spanked. Ultimately it comes down to the child making a decision to or not to.
liberatedvialove 2 years ago
schn: "most of us don't spank our kids because we love and respect them" It is sad u equate spanking as you not loving your child. The truth is your afraid that your kids will think you dont love them... I dont have that problem with my niece and nephews. I DONT like spanking or want to but i do when i see fit to. They still think i love them and dont hate me 4 what i do. The problem with society 2day is extremism.I provide both love and discipline which "SOMETIMES" is in the form of spanking.
liberatedvialove 2 years ago
Great video!
UnschoolingEagle 2 years ago
Murray Straus is so out of touch with reality that I am driven to wanting to smack the life out of him! He clearly wasnt smacked enough. He's a fool and so are you all if you believe that smacking is not good for a child when they play up. WAKE UP WORLD..
cunnamullafalla 2 years ago
Most "nice christian parents" like mine spanked their children, maybe with good intentions, maybe not. But it doesn't matter what the intent is. Spanking also equates violence with love. Is it a coincidence that the US, which still advocates spanking, has much higher violent crime than "no-spanking" countries? I vowed to NEVER hit my son, even though I was a single parent, in university so I was extremely poor. My son is now a wonderful 23-year-old man. If you love your kids, don't hit them!
pammer12345 2 years ago 4
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Blah... blah...blah... foolish talk! READ PROVERBS! GET WISDOM!
TheWorldpics 2 years ago
I've read many versions of many bibles more than once... very little wisdom in any of them.
rkzenrage 2 years ago
Exactly.
rkzenrage 2 years ago
There are many, many studies that show the damage spanking causes. Aggression, inability to be intimate, inability to trust, future domestic violence, and sexual problems (to name a few). In sensitive children, it can cause post-traumatic stress, depression, and even addictions. There is no upside to spanking. I was spanked, and still carry the emotional scars. I became a bulimic, cocaine addict, and smoker. I was in an abusive marriage because I didn't respect my own body. Spanking is EVIL.
pammer12345 2 years ago
Proverbs 13:24 One who spares the rod hates his son, but one who loves him is careful to discipline him.
TheWorldpics 2 years ago
It is mostly christians who still support spanking children. Christians also supported hitting women (but not too hard, and only if they were disobedient), and owning slaves. You can't hit a 6'4" man - you would be prosecuted. Yet we can hit the smallest, most vulnerable people? It's insane. Hitting children damages their spirit, just like it damages and adult (only worse). It's incredible that any sane person can say that it's ok to hit children but not other members of society.
pammer12345 2 years ago 2
More stupidity from that idiotic book.
rkzenrage 2 years ago
@rkzenrage
cause these fuckers don't have a brain. Since God did the big flood wait and you will see how they drawn their kids cause the bible said God did it, these idiots just don't get the message and take everything so literally.
TengoNoNombre 1 year ago
Thanks God domebod like yo exist, keep having a good hart, and God would bless yo. see you in heaven.
panamanubian 2 years ago
I agree with you somewhat but why is it that when you start talking about spanking you take it to the extreme ie. "knock the shit out of".
Botzu 2 years ago <