Condoleezza Rice asserts 'Bin Laden Determined To Attack' wasn't a warning. thumpandwhip.com

[Crusadair]

god IS watching you, be prepared, condo....

and hide somewhere, if you can

[deltalitprof]

Every time I see Condi on TV getting all this praise for her poise and her influence on young women, I think of this moment.

[MichaelOReillyORis]

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[bush1tman]

I would say that it was obvious that Al Qaeda was determined to attack within the United States when the towers were bombed in Feb of '93. But Clinton gets a pass from these lawyers planted in the commission for the sole purpose of taking down the Bush presidency. Condi is and was terrific

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[punxsutawneybarney]

@bush1tman The FBI knew about the '93 bomb plot a full year before it came off, and they had an informant named Emad Salem deep within the al Qaeda cell who wanted to denature the bomb. His FBI handlers wouldn't let him. See Peter Lance's "1000 Years for Revenge".

[bush1tman]

@punxsutawneybarney Thanks. I will take a look at that when I can.

[HurburBurbur]

@punxsutawneybarney

"The FBI knew about the '93 bomb"

Yeah, the whole fucking thing is a charade. The Oklahoma bombing doesn't add up as well. The truth is that with the USSR gone a new enemy was needed. FBI, CIA, the military ,its industrial complex and the administration, all of them stood to loose in budget and influance. Keymembers in each branch decided to give terrorists a helping hand, nurturing them like small plants and after Iraq they grew very well on their own. Mission accomplished.

[Turtleproof]

Reminder: she is a known war criminal who still hasn't been put on trial.

[ynot4tony2]

Been-Fisting-Me only wanted to bring up the title, but cowered like a bitch when Rice was bringing up the actual content of the Aug 6 PDB. The reality is, the PDB said N-O-T-H-I-N-G specific (look it up if you doubt me), and in fact made a bunch of predictions and statements that didn't pan out.

"Bin Laden determined to strike the U.S." was hardly groundbreaking news, since he had been promising that SINCE 1993!

[punxsutawneybarney]

@ynot4tony2 Made predictions and statements that didn't pan out? What planet do you live on? The PDB warned of a group of bin Laden supporters planning an attack inside the US. The PDB warned of preparations for hijackings. Both of those panned out. See my video "Condi Lied Under Oath to the 9/11 Widows"

[ynot4tony2]

@punxsutawneybarney: That was a nice recitation of talking points. Now I'll ask again...what in the PDB warned of specific attacks related to 9-11? I'm assuming you've never read the PDB, otherwise you'd realize that the evidence I'm asking you to cite simply does not exist.

That particular PDB also predicted Al Qaida would used explosives, and target federal buildings in New York. Ooops. Wrong on both counts.

[punxsutawneybarney]

@ynot4tony2 You ask what was warning of specific 9/11 attacks. What about "preparations for hijackings", surveillance of buildings in Manhattan, and bin Laden supporters planning attacks do you not understand?

The PDB contained new information about preparations for hijackings. If you would bother to watch the video "Condi Lied Under Oath to the 9/11 Widows" you would see evidence that the PDB was in fact 11-1/2 pages long.

[ynot4tony2]

@punxsutawneybarney: First, the hijackings were predicted to be part of a hostage taking plan, not for them to be used as missiles. Failed prediction. The surveillance was of FEDERAL buildings, of which the WTC towers were not. Failed prediction.

And what part of "Bin Laden has been promising to attack us since 1993" don't YOU understand?!? How many times do I need to point out the obvious? It WAS NOT NEW INFORMATION to claim Osama wanted to strike America. Stop pretending it was!

[punxsutawneybarney]

@ynot4tony2 Where is your information that the hijackings were predicted as hostage-taking? Al Qaeda's Project Bojinka's plan to crash hijacked airliners into landmark buildings had been known since 1995. NORAD routinely did drills about hijacked suicide-airliners. Preps for hijackings was new information, Recent surveillance in Manhattan was new. You are looking for excuses. The CIA's Cofer Black said "We did everything but pull the trigger to the gun we were holding to her head."

[ynot4tony2]

@punxsutawneybarney: Fuck's sake, if you're asking asinine questions like that THEN YOU HAVEN'T READ THE FUCKING BRIEF!

Also, how utterly convenient that your video makes a claim, attributes it to a newspaper, fails to even show a screen grab of the article, and cites a source in a language no one understands? That of all the anti-war, anti-Bush journalists in America, NONE OF THEM repeat the claim from your video?

Do you know the difference between "evidence" and "hearsay"?

[punxsutawneybarney]

@ynot4tony2 I see, it's the myth of the "liberal media" again. The corporate media are not liberal. 

[ynot4tony2]

@punxsutawneybarney: Seriously, if you insist on citing an unattributed, home-made video on youtube as "evidence", you're wasting everyone's time.

Cripe's sake, this is as pointless as arguing with an average fan of Alex Jones. You don't believe it when you see it...you see it when you believe it.

I'm not wasting any more of my time with someone too dim to understand what a "reliable source" is, and too lazy to read a 425 word document.

[punxsutawneybarney]

@ynot4tony2 I've read the PDB many times. You can read parts of it yourself in the "Condi Lied Under Oath to the 9/11 Widows" video--the parts that warn of preparations for hijackings, recent surveillance in Manhattan, and bin Laden supporters in the USA planning attacks. The Mossad warned of 19 terrorists inside the USA planning something big, and they even named names. Only four of the names have been released, but all are names of alleged 9/11 hijackers, including Mohammed Atta.

[ynot4tony2]

@punxsutawneybarney: Also, do you have any source gpt "11-1/2 pages" aside from a claim made in a video? Attributed to a German person no one has ever heard of, from "Germany's premier weekly newspaper"? A fact that seem to be mentioned NOWHERE outside of the video or a few unaccountable anti-war blogs?

In other words, can you provide a SINGLE reliable source to back up your claim, which contradicts HUNDREDS of reliable sources?

[punxsutawneybarney]

@ynot4tony2 "Die Zeit" is the TIME Magazine of Germany. How do YOU explain the redacted page numbers?

Condi was briefed by the CIA 5/30/01 and 7/10/01, both times told that an al Qaeda attack was imminent in the next few weeks or months. There were warnings from 13 foreign countries. The UK, Germany, Jordan, and Egypt warned of aircraft as weapons. Russia warned of suicide pilots.

[ynot4tony2]

@punxsutawneybarney: The notion of "redacted page numbers" is AN ASSUMPTION, and a faulty one. A BRIEFING is brief, genius. You don't need page numbers on something that's only two pages.

Furthermore, you didn't cite the Zeit article. You showed a fucking picture of a front page. Why have ALL AMERICAN JOURNALISTS failed to pick up on your alleged fact?

And, I said NOTHING about "liberal media". Grow up, asshole. Straw men arguments don't fly.

I'm done wasting time with you, idiot.

[punxsutawneybarney]

@ynot4tony2 Ask Dan Rather why American journalists have not picked up the story. If you've never read Rather's statement about being "necklaced", you don't know anything about the media.

If those redactions aren't page numbers, what are they? You're done wasting time all right. Your arguments don't hold water.

[punxsutawneybarney]

@ynot4tony2 Also note the statement by CNN's Christiane Amanpour on CNBC, that "the press was muzzled, and I think the press was self-muzzled," that they were "intimidated by the [Bush] administration" and there was "a climate of fear and self-censorship."

If you still believe in the armies of Bush-hating journalists you are seriously out of touch with reality.

[ynot4tony2]

@punxsutawneybarney: Furthermore, the vast majority of the PDB ("briefing" implies "brief", just in case yo missed that) dealt with cataloging attacks from the past.

And the PDB may have "warned of a group of bin Laden supporters planning an attack inside the US", but SO DID BIN LADEN! Many times! The PDB contained NO NEW INFORMATION aside from a few FAILED PREDICTIONS.

Seriously, don't bother responding until you read the damn report. I have. You obviously haven't yet.

[ynot4tony2]

@punxsutawneybarney: The sad things is, that PDB was declassified over six years ago. Just put "August 6 PDB full text" in a search engine and you'll find hundreds of sources. Yet, people still remain willfully ignorant of its contents.

It's a mere 425 or so words. That's half the size of an average op-ed in a newspaper. No excuses for not reading it!

3/4 of the brief is reviewing history. The last three sentences make prediction for the future, but get them ALL WRONG.

[punxsutawneybarney]

Two months before 9/11, CIA head Tenet told Condi that an al Qaeda attack was coming in the next few weeks or months. Cofer Black said they "did everything but pull the trigger on the gun we were holding to her head." Later they both agreed that had she acted on the warnings, 9/11 might have been prevented.

[punxsutawneybarney]

So what's your point, frank? Their rights are our rights. Why shouldn't he defend them?

[frankg3rd]

The point is they are not American citizens under American law !

[punxsutawneybarney]

Then presumably under your scenario, Mr. Ben-Veniste would defend them on some other basis. What's your point?

[Lane4411]

she does not remember !!!!!

[Lane4411]

Ben-Veniste, nailed chuck colson of watergate fame - tough as nails

[punxsutawneybarney]

It's excruciating to see her trying to run out the clock with her long-winded answers.

The "'Bin Laden Determined To Strike in US" memo was actually 11-1/2 pages long, says the German newspaper Die Zeit.

See my video "Condi Lied Under Oath to the 9/11 Widows"

There were warnings from 13 foreign countries, 3 FBI offices, and the CIA. The UK, Germany, Egypt, Jordan, and the Cayman Islands specifically mentioned the use of aircraft. Russia warned of suicide pilots.

[ynot4tony2]

@punxsutawneybarney: "specifically mentioned the use of aircraft"

But didn't specifically say anything about how they would be sued. Gee...terrorists want to hijack a plane. Not exactly stunning info. The reality is (again, READ the PDB before blathering about it), if the PDB were followed, our intelligence services would have been tracking a ton of dead-ends.

But please, feel free to cite anything IN the report that supports your claim. I'll just wait here...

[punxsutawneybarney]

@ynot4tony2 The PDB says they have observed activities consistent with preparations for hijackings. Such activities would be actions by individuals. Such individuals could have been followed and observed. How do you know that would have been "tracking a dead end"? You're just saying "Oh it was hopeless, there was nothing that could have been done," but you don't know that. There were warnings from two FBI offices, Phoenix and Minneapolis, about potential airplane terrorists.

[mintyjo400]

it wasnt something we were told we had to do something about

is it kids running the US

i would probably say it was

[endtyrany]

@mintyjo400 not kids but liers who think we all have the mentallity of children!

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[kiyka]

This is ridiculous. I can't believe we didn't do something about this.