Pet brown person of the middle-class hippy chattering heads. She could say "I fly UFO's" and swivel her eyeballs at the lefty audience, in a meaningful way, and she would still get an indulgent round of applause. How patronising white, middle-class hippies can be!
I'm losing patience with people who refuse to believe that our governments are committing atrocities and covering it up. If they can refute the evidence of human rights activists, why don't they? The truth is, many high-level officials are socialized psychopaths. DC is crawling with them. I know from long, hard experience. Their attitude is, 'Do as you want but don't get caught.' Like the pigs in Orwell's Animal Farm, they are more equal than we are.
@mrinvincible2001 Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
@warriorprince1010 I think the thing that is so repugnant about her is the way she feigns all this concern for the nasty little characters who she defends. In reality her only passion is driven by her visualization of all the £ signs coming her way at the taxpayers expense. A truly awful individual.
@TheFSMChannel, “Nasty Little Characters” she’s defending human rights, and in the context of this footage, an innocent man who’s only ‘crime’ was to be Muslim and the cover-up at the highest political levels put in place to hide the allegations of illegal torture used on him. “Truly Awful Individual” – what’s awful is a [repugnant] someone criticizing another individual for sticking up for a little something called Justice.
@TYwokki - people "stick up for a little something called Justice." all over the world every day of the year. This self-righteous little bitch is only interested in one thing and that is lining her pockets. That in itself isn't a bad thing when people are honest about it. But the way she lauds herself around as some Mother Theresa of the oppressed whilst raking it in the way she does is just gut wrenching.
@TheFSMChannel, So basically what you’re saying, or at least how you’re coming across, is that your dislike for Chakrabarti’s contaminated your view of everything she stands for. Well personally I like her. She may be a celebrity civil liberalist, but what she’s saying, right here, right now, I agree with.
I’m not really concerned with her personally, what she talks about is much more important.
@TYwokki If she was more balanced and devoted as much of her time to defending victims of female genital mutilation, those threatened with honour killings, battered wives of Muslim men, ex-Muslims living ion fear of their lives which is all going on under her nose in the UK - and a bit less time with the bleeding heart relatives of potential mass murdering terrorists then I might be inclined to agree with you. And my comment was personal - it was meant to be.
@TheFSMChannel, Sorry, your argument doesn’t make sense. Liberty works for and tackles a variety of topics, including women’s rights. It just happens to be here, right now, talking about illegal torture victims.
Are you really trying to argue the practice of torture?
@TheFSMChannel, If torture is so productive and right – why don’t we torture suspects of rape, or murder, UK citizens who we suspect of wrongdoing?
Perhaps it’s easier to torture “potential mass murdering terrorists”; I mean they’re Muslims, not worthy of respect, dignity or Rights. And so what if we get it wrong. They’re Muslims, terrorist basically.
I’m being sarcastic by the way. So fucking sarcastic.
@TheFSMChannel It is not her fault that there is money to be made in ebing a decent human being these days, in a Capitalist society that which is in short supply always comes with a high pricetag.
@TheFSMChannel And? Someone else doing something shitty doesn't make it reasonable for US to do it too. Two wrongs don't make a right, and how dare you call her a 'dyke'. What the fuck is wrong with you? It's not her JOB to sit there and talk to the british public about sharia law - it's not fucking relevant and she wasn't fucking asked.
"It's not her JOB to sit there and talk to the british public about sharia law"
No it doesn't pay well enough does it?
"how dare you call her a 'dyke'"
I open my mouth and say it - or will the Shami thought \police come flying through my window any second? I am just a piece of indigenous non-muslim garbage after all. I'm sure there's a killing to be made getting me banged up lol
why are people quick to point out that "she doesn't mention other countries standards" - so what? Are we all sheep or something? Being critical is good, it helps us improve as a nation rather than trying to defend something carried out against what the majority stand for.
Wow, opinions, strong personality and a VAGINA. That makes it okay for me to insult her on a personal level without even admitting she said anything specific at all.
@herringfly Wow, you belong to a different ideological TRIBE. That makes you effectively subhuman as far as I'm concerned, and oh wait hang on I forgot which one of us I was for a minute there.
Boxingfan`s naivety shows. You don`t "rig" a person`s view. The person speaks and that is an OPINION, a cornerstone of DEMOCRACY. That is why morons with beards are allowed to shout about blowing up British streets, on the streets. Rigging is the twisting of opinion and fact, where democracy is perverted. Obvious, but went over your head. The BBC has duty to be impartial, for all our sakes. If you have warped Liberty views, or warped NF views. But self-styled "Auntie" still has its duty. Pity.
@transonicbuoy1 No what has gone over your head is the fact that you've been rumbled as obviously operating 2 ghost accounts via which you "like" all the lazy, ill concieved rubbish you post. I agree that often the question time audience is composed of numbskulls, but that doesn't take anything away from this woman is saying, that the previous government actively pursued and endorsed torture a totally flawed means of information retrieval in terms of it's practicality as well as its morality
:-D I do, a bit. It's annoying only hearing one side of a debate; like when people post episodes of QT with Nigel Farage or Douglas Murray and edit out everything anyone else says.
She rides on the mighty horse of self-righteousness. And she knows that the rigged teacher/PC luvvie audience is going to clap - rigged of course by the BBC, who have abused their monopoly and conned the British public. Watch her face as she makes the sweeping statements, and expects adulation. Anyone who endorses chavvy twats to roam UK streets, and attack for pleasure, must be stamped down. I wonder is she likes Germans, or Swedes. Probably not. Bigot.
@boxingfan101 You can have a rational view (most people) - decent people to go about their business in safety. Or you could take the irrational one (Chak), which protects chav scum, while the rest of us suffer. Your choice. But BBC duty to - especially as they hit the populace with an unfair tax - paint a balanced picture. And they don`t. The QT audiences and panels are indeed rigged. That is why irrational points made are rabidly clapped by the rigged audience. Viewer held with contempt.
@transonicbuoy1 Second time lucky eh? Not speaking about "chav scum" though is she she's talking about torture which we could discuss the major flaws of but I don't think that is what your issue is. Your problem seems to stem from the fact that little on the BBC corresponds with your obviously blinkered view of the world, which you as a licence fee payer feel should be everywhere although as you are a resident of Japan I don't see how this 'unfair tax' affects you. cont.
@transonicbuoy1 your idea of a rational view includes stamping down the PC twats who endorse chave street thuggery (which I haven't seen any of the 'luvvie' fraternity along with anyone of any relevance in the public eye actually do) reveals your Breivikesque nature. Maybe we should re-open Birkenau and shove them all in mate? One more thing don't be so pathetic as to come on to my channel insult me lecture me on freedom of speech whilst ensuring the comment mechanism on yours is disabled.
She is a sanctimonius twat. As are the PC bigots who make, and rig, Question Time. Chakrabarti, like Jo Brand, is one of the BBC`s vicious PC heavyweights, battle tanks, crushing everything in their righteous path. Mobilized by the corrupt and crooked BBC. Open "Auntie" up to the free market, and there won`t be a platform for bigots like Chak to operate from.
Why are there so many horrid messages on here?? She defends the defenseless. Some times they may be evil, but to have a decent society all deserve representation and I write as solicitor (all be not in criminal law). The work she has done has helped countless people without a voice, without help, and without hope. She is a real life heroine and if you can't see that then I honestly feel sad for you. I am proud that she is British.
@QUENTIN2B2B BURN! KILL! REND FLESH! BREAK THEIR BACKS!
Human rights are universal, you don't get to just suspend them because somebody does something you don't like - if everyone ignored them because of attacks by others upon them, they wouldn't exist.
I cant stand this little cunt, if i ever met her id beat her to within a quarter millimetre of her life. She is so anti British it is a joke, she is one of the many foreign cunts that stay in this country that clearly do not belong here. She clearly despises Britains values so why the fuck does she stay here. Self righteous cunt!
@supersquats So what do you class as British values? Beating a woman within a inch of her life, because she speaks out against torture? I don't know what kind of little Bnp village you live in, but i would hope that the rest of Britain nor the British people view these as British values. Also, so your view is that anyone with darker skin does not belong in Britain? shame on you.
@supersquats - not in this video sir, she does not despise any "western" values here. Having said that, she might be a cunt for other reasons, but not for what she said there. BTW, you should thank me for using English so that you can understand. Fuck you. Have a nice day.
Do you just automatically assume someone is against british values because they have an issue with the way the country functions?
All she said was the government knew their actions were illegal, and they covered them up. She may have been a bit strident, but at no point was she "anti-british".
She's also been a Home Office barrister, LSE graduate and current member of council, governor of BFI, CBE, University chancellor and a visiting fellow.
@supersquats The UK is a tiny squit of land on a planet. When there are no people left in the world, is it still Great Britain? A country with borders is an abstract idea. You're just another one of these EDL/BNP faggots who have no real idea on any political issues and just jump on the back of any hate-feulled bandwagon that gives a platform for people just as ignorant and stupid as you are to speak. I hope your genitals get mangled in some sort of accident so you can't pass on your genes. Cunt
@TheSkintProductions You take the high ground as you are British. How come countries in the world like Syria, Libya, Sierra Leone and Mexico can have borders - basically anyone in the world - but the British? What makes the British so special? Are they too cool to have borders? Are other states not so cool? How come when I fly to my home at the other end of Russia, the ask to see my passport? What is wrong with that? Why is it that I officially cross their border? Do you have a passport yet?
@transonicbuoy1 Well done for completely missing my point. I didn't say the UK hasn't got borders. I said a country, any country, with borders is an abstract idea. I never said anything about as A. being exempt or B. us being special.
@TheSkintProductions "When there are no people left in the world, is it still Great Britain?" Yes. It's a geographical term. Although, if nobody was left to observe it, there would be nobody able to refer to it as "Great Britain".
"A country with borders is an abstract idea." Not really. Borders are a manifestation of the fact that people are inherently territorial and aggressive. They evolved, they were not an "idea". Tree-hugging ideals possibly prevail in some alternative universe. Not here.
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I cant stand this little cunt, if i ever met her id beat her to within a quarter millimetre of her life. She is so anti British it is a joke, she is one of the many foreign cunts that stay in this country that clearly do not belong here.
What an appalling self righteous creature this woman is!
Let's hear her berating the preachers of hate and condemning Shariah law for a change, or is it only the western governments and cultures that she is so fond of criticising!
Let's see her lecture Saudi Arabia or Iran on her precious "Liberty", I know how much liberty they would show her!
@katesnake moron. if the "west" still are going to ride around on their great white horse proclaiming human rights, respect for the individual and so on, then this is extremely important.
you take the false and extremely stupid stance that everyone that doesnt talk about "this" and "that" at the current moment, has to be for that ideology. You have been formed to be an ignorant idiot who doesnt care about the cause, just to bash others.
@Hexachloraphine I disagree unfortunately. She is a favourite of the left minded liberals at the BBC, who is given airtime because she fits the politically correct profile perfectly. From what I have seen, she criticises Britain at every opportunity and seems to hold the country to a ridiculously high standard on issues such as human rights. As other posters have pointed out, she never seems to mention the standards of other countries on such issues.
I'd love to fill a mosque full of Shami's family,friends and supporters and burn them all to death while i forced Harriet Hardperson to watch as i raped her with a long rusty chainsaw.
What is wrong with torturing terror suspects? If the situation was reversed and god forbid a coalition solider was captured by Taliban fighters, or Al-Queda, do you think there would be a court of human rights protecting them? Hell no! That poor soldier would go through humiliation torture, videoing...like a parade, then more than likely executed! Yet in UK people think its wrong to even imprison for more than 28 days!
@clodester So you would refer to that soldier as 'poor' yet allow a SUSPECT to be tortured? Imagine yourself in a country were you are wrongly accused of a crime and imprisoned for 28 days. Would you still have the same lack of concern for human rights? (cont.).....
@theendingnote@theendingnote The thing you forget is in democratic nations, law enforcement don't just accuse random people. They arrest those SUSPECTED of terrorist activities. Which constitutes that person would of have to have been doing certain things (most prob non kosher) to get the attention of the anti terror squad. So its pretty easy NOT to be tortured....dont break the law. In non democratic nations, EVERYBODY is screwed as its not entirely free, so guilty or innocence doesn't matter
@theendingnote Exactly! Granted it was a fuck up by the intellegent services, however how many of those cases have there been? Compared with how many innocent civilians have been murdered by acts of terror, or even by execution via decapitation on video!? 1 vs the many!
There must have been something which brought de Menezes to the attention of the police!
Whats the point in arguing? We have different opinions and we are going to stick to them.....grow up and move on
@clodester Yeah something did bring something to their attention. A mistake which caused an innocent man his life. Do you even know what you're talking about? Menezes was Brazilian. He hadnothing to do with any kind of terrorist act. If the police had reason to has pulled the trigger multiple times then don't you think it would have come to the surface,instead of a fumbled apology?
@theendingnote@theendingnote A mistake was made he is dead. I said Im in favor of torture, not shooting suspects on site!
I still think it's vaild to use physical & psychological torture on certain terror suspects. If it stops another 9/11, 7/7 Bali, Russian metro or Indian hotel siege.....see my point? the few going through hell to save hundreds if not thousands?
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@clodester what if you get the wrong person? Evidence obtained by torture used to be ignored, because the victim would say anything to stop the pain, even if they were innocent. So there's no guarantee it'd stop an attack.
@clodester And you're comparing two nations again which brings us back to square one. Tell someone to grow up and not to debate over something is a weak answer. I'm not arguing. I'm simply addressing issues that you have overlooked by using an 'eye for an eye' mentality. The English military have killed military have murdered many innocent people too. Just because Sky news isn't airing it, doesn't mean it's not happening.
@clodester .....To compare a legal system in a foreign nation is just as ridiculous as saying that is acceptable in the first place. You place the UK on a pedestal of having a better standard of human rights and yet when the time comes to demonstrate it, you would rather it not? Your logic disqualifies any argument you try to make.
@theendingnote The thing you forget that in democratic nations, the law enforcement don't just accuse random people. They arrest those SUSPECTED of terrorist activities. Which constitutes that person would of have to have been doing certain things (most prob non kosher) to get the attention of the anti terror squad. So its pretty easy NOT to be tortured....dont break the law. In non democratic nations, EVERYBODY is screwed as its not entirely free, so guilty or innocence doesn't matter.
@theendingnote fuck no i don't like the uk at all. I hate the country, it just happens to be where i live and whose laws i am bound by! second I compared it to another nation because you did! "Imagine yourself in a country where you were accused of a crime"....So I did. I imagined both democratic and non democratic scenarios.....!
@clodester Guantanamo Bay detainees are frequently subjected to physical, sexual and mental humiliation by America soldiers. 80% of Guantanamo Bay detaines are innocent. You are a fucking idiot, because the key word you used there was "SUSPECT", we also have a constitutional right "innocent until proven guilty" and if you torture a person enough they will admit to ANYTHING. It's fucking torture, isn't it?
@TheSkintProductions Yeah AMERICAN CITIZENS do have constitutions rights. Which is why GETMO isnt on US Soil, then US constitutions don't apply. The people in jump suits are subjected to conditions and treatment which are deemed illegal, and still happens. They are also under military law....so again same rights dont apply and lastly since 9/11 + 7/7 govs developed laws of questioning and arresting without trial or conviction specifically for those they suspect on terror charges!
@TheSkintProductions I dont make the rules I just support them! If you disagree with the laws UK & US gov have created, the broken promise Obama made to close GETMO....then take that up with them......not randomly spout your views about how u had peoples' views which dont fall into line with yours!
@clodester Well said my friend. Skintproductions is one of the new uber-fascists - basically those who use expletives to offend and bring down fair comment by others. To block democracy. Just like Hitler did in the 1930s.
if there was a slight suspicion that someone was witholding info about an attack on this country, i`d torture the shit out of them. no problem. fuck chakrabarti, the hippy cunt.
I can't stand this hippy. Boo hoo, I'm emotional about torture, glad you don't run the country we'd be in serious trouble. She'd be crying everytime she had to make a tough decision. It's good to show compassion, but don't be a pussy about it....
lol the thing is that uh, Bush is NOT embarrased about it, in fact he even put it in his autobiography... Bush admitting torture, and putting it in print, seems to show he is more boastful than "embarrased" about the subject.
I think it would be ridiculous for someone to really believe that torture is not used in western democracies; and used rampantly. The usa does it, israel does it, and russia does it... are the brits really that nice that they dont torture.
@BingfieldHeights I think "emotional" is a perfect description of her behaviour. It's extraordinary that she is a qualified lawyer but doesn't respect the fact that our laws are based on evidence, not emotion. We can all get emotional but it takes a bit of intelligence and maturity to argue a case as an adult.
@nigshakespeare if it was a man making the same speech, with the same heightened emotion, he wouldn't be called emotional, he would be called passionate
@Redcarpet01 And English is the national language but we don't all speak it as our first language. We have a royal family but that doesn't mean we're all monarchists. We are secular as the overwhelming majority of us do not subscribe to any organised religion.
@nigshakespeare The UK might be culturally secular, but that doesn't make Britain secular. The Church of England would need to be terminated as the state church for that to happen.
@Redcarpet01 No. That is just a constitutional issue, not a cultural one. The people and its shared values define our culture and our shared values do not rest with Christianity or any other organised religion. Therefore, we are secular.
@Redcarpet01 But "Protestantism", "Church of England" and "monarchy" are institutions, not culture. There's more people in attendance at football matches in the UK than at church. Just 15% of the population attend church at least once a month. You cannot claim culture is representative of the 85% of the population that either attend church occasionally or have no interest in it atall. Apathy, disinterest, non-attendance represents rejection, not culture no matter whether it is "official" or not.
@Redcarpet01 What an idiotic comment. You are obviously just a dogmatic Christian. Practices are not irrelevant atall. They are at the very core of what our cultural values are and define them. By your obtuse logic there'd be one last, sole Christian in this country and 60 million atheists but just because it's the "official faith" you'd still be playing King Canute pretending we are still not secular. Good luck with your own unique brand of deluded ignorance.
@nigshakespeare No, an atheist. Claiming that because church attendance is low, etc, doesn't change the fact Christianity is still the official faith of the state. All British monarchs must take a coronation oath, that includes protecting the official faith. Obviously that'd need to change for the UK to become secular.
@Redcarpet01 You are completely incapable of distinguishing between the constitution and culture. We are a secular society because of what we believe and don't believe, what we do, how we behave, our attitudes and values. That is the definition of culture. We could have a monarch who is the Defender of the Faith of there being a Man on the Moon but that doesn't mean that we believe there's a man in the moon or that that is a feature of our culture.
@nigshakespeare Secularism has nothing to do with culture. It simply means there is no official faith. Well Britain HAS one, therefore it's not secular.
@Redcarpet01 There's nothing "official" about secularism atall. I'm secular and there's nothing "official" about that. By your silly logic there could be one man left believing in Christianity and 60 million of us who don't but just because of intitutions that have not adpated to represent the people you would still classify us as a Christian country!
@Redcarpet01 Of course it does. Good grief, are you a facist too? What defines a country and its culture is its people and their values. Google UK + secular, read the BBC articles on it, read the census. The UK is a secular nation by the fact of the majority non-belief of its citizens. You are simply incapable of distinguishing between the state and its citizens. It has an established church but in the real world 85% have no interest in going every month!
Pet brown person of the middle-class hippy chattering heads. She could say "I fly UFO's" and swivel her eyeballs at the lefty audience, in a meaningful way, and she would still get an indulgent round of applause. How patronising white, middle-class hippies can be!
herringfly 1 day ago
I'm losing patience with people who refuse to believe that our governments are committing atrocities and covering it up. If they can refute the evidence of human rights activists, why don't they? The truth is, many high-level officials are socialized psychopaths. DC is crawling with them. I know from long, hard experience. Their attitude is, 'Do as you want but don't get caught.' Like the pigs in Orwell's Animal Farm, they are more equal than we are.
asynkronos 2 days ago
is that will young next to her?
richthesquire 3 days ago
she's surely a lesbian?
mrinvincible2001 1 week ago
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marionetemanJ 1 week ago
@mrinvincible2001 No shes not
louiscfc93 3 days ago
She`s not a Paki....the surname is Hindi i believe.
sonikue23 1 week ago
Paki bitch. She'll be happy her fellow terrorist Qatada is staying at our expense.
Gonzoidz 1 week ago
She talked about 'medieval' torture as though it was worse...most people succumb to waterboarding after just 4 seconds
philipeafroboy1 1 week ago
I fucking hate this women.
Seriously hate her.
Kozzy06 2 weeks ago
We love you Shami
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KoochyWoochy 2 weeks ago
Is that Will Young next to her!??? Fuck me.
untamedromeo 3 weeks ago
When Muslim extremists capture NATO soldiers you can bet they torture them.
warriorprince1010 1 month ago
@warriorprince1010 yes but there isn't £millions taxpayers money to be made by No-Shame Shami in defending them....
TheFSMChannel 1 month ago
@TheFSMChannel Exactly. However I do not agree with torture I doubt it works.
warriorprince1010 4 weeks ago
@warriorprince1010 I think the thing that is so repugnant about her is the way she feigns all this concern for the nasty little characters who she defends. In reality her only passion is driven by her visualization of all the £ signs coming her way at the taxpayers expense. A truly awful individual.
TheFSMChannel 4 weeks ago
@TheFSMChannel She is pretty. BUt yes the left exploit the poor even more than the right, I dislike both.
warriorprince1010 4 weeks ago
@TheFSMChannel, “Nasty Little Characters” she’s defending human rights, and in the context of this footage, an innocent man who’s only ‘crime’ was to be Muslim and the cover-up at the highest political levels put in place to hide the allegations of illegal torture used on him. “Truly Awful Individual” – what’s awful is a [repugnant] someone criticizing another individual for sticking up for a little something called Justice.
TYwokki 4 weeks ago
@TYwokki - people "stick up for a little something called Justice." all over the world every day of the year. This self-righteous little bitch is only interested in one thing and that is lining her pockets. That in itself isn't a bad thing when people are honest about it. But the way she lauds herself around as some Mother Theresa of the oppressed whilst raking it in the way she does is just gut wrenching.
TheFSMChannel 3 weeks ago
@TheFSMChannel, So basically what you’re saying, or at least how you’re coming across, is that your dislike for Chakrabarti’s contaminated your view of everything she stands for. Well personally I like her. She may be a celebrity civil liberalist, but what she’s saying, right here, right now, I agree with.
I’m not really concerned with her personally, what she talks about is much more important.
TYwokki 3 weeks ago
@TYwokki If she was more balanced and devoted as much of her time to defending victims of female genital mutilation, those threatened with honour killings, battered wives of Muslim men, ex-Muslims living ion fear of their lives which is all going on under her nose in the UK - and a bit less time with the bleeding heart relatives of potential mass murdering terrorists then I might be inclined to agree with you. And my comment was personal - it was meant to be.
TheFSMChannel 3 weeks ago
@TheFSMChannel, Sorry, your argument doesn’t make sense. Liberty works for and tackles a variety of topics, including women’s rights. It just happens to be here, right now, talking about illegal torture victims.
Are you really trying to argue the practice of torture?
TYwokki 3 weeks ago
@TheFSMChannel, If torture is so productive and right – why don’t we torture suspects of rape, or murder, UK citizens who we suspect of wrongdoing?
Perhaps it’s easier to torture “potential mass murdering terrorists”; I mean they’re Muslims, not worthy of respect, dignity or Rights. And so what if we get it wrong. They’re Muslims, terrorist basically.
I’m being sarcastic by the way. So fucking sarcastic.
TYwokki 3 weeks ago
@TheFSMChannel It is not her fault that there is money to be made in ebing a decent human being these days, in a Capitalist society that which is in short supply always comes with a high pricetag.
CraigMetalHead 3 weeks ago
This fuzzy faced little dyke never says anything about the torture dished out by sharia courts every second of the day. Opportunist little cow.
TheFSMChannel 1 month ago
@TheFSMChannel And? Someone else doing something shitty doesn't make it reasonable for US to do it too. Two wrongs don't make a right, and how dare you call her a 'dyke'. What the fuck is wrong with you? It's not her JOB to sit there and talk to the british public about sharia law - it's not fucking relevant and she wasn't fucking asked.
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
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"It's not her JOB to sit there and talk to the british public about sharia law"
No it doesn't pay well enough does it?
"how dare you call her a 'dyke'"
I open my mouth and say it - or will the Shami thought \police come flying through my window any second? I am just a piece of indigenous non-muslim garbage after all. I'm sure there's a killing to be made getting me banged up lol
TheFSMChannel 1 month ago
Wow, i wish i could give a speech like Shami!
dreamingofabeachbody 1 month ago
Shami = FASCIST
nizxbit 1 month ago
@nizxbit care to elaborate?
DontGetVaginal 1 month ago
Hoon at 0:46 Arrogant bastard.
djbethell 1 month ago
Not really fair to cut off the response, because people who don't understand the issue may need to hear both sides.
dangoesforth 2 months ago
why are people quick to point out that "she doesn't mention other countries standards" - so what? Are we all sheep or something? Being critical is good, it helps us improve as a nation rather than trying to defend something carried out against what the majority stand for.
asulei 2 months ago
Wow, opinions, strong personality and a VAGINA. That makes it okay for me to insult her on a personal level without even admitting she said anything specific at all.
Applemask 2 months ago 13
@Applemask Wow, you're a KNOB. That makes it okay for me to insult you on a personal level without even having to specify any other reason.
herringfly 1 day ago
@herringfly Wow, you belong to a different ideological TRIBE. That makes you effectively subhuman as far as I'm concerned, and oh wait hang on I forgot which one of us I was for a minute there.
Applemask 1 day ago
@Applemask Well, we know all about people who consider those who differ ideologically from them as Untermensch.
All together now, "Hippies, Hippies über alle ... "
herringfly 22 hours ago
BOOM! Unwarranted self importance right out of nowhere!
KeithUnderneath 2 months ago
I'd rather be tortured than listen to this Whining Dyke. I'm logging out now.
barkingbasher 2 months ago
Shes such a Lesbian
captaincomputa 3 months ago
why does she look like a boy
barhamen 3 months ago
@barhamen why are you so stupid?
corpsemunger 1 month ago
@OxenOrb will young? i think you better leave right now...
jimaldo64 4 months ago
@OxenOrb Fuck knows!! He's fuckin torture!!
bigderekkeene 4 months ago
She may have been emmotional, but a hell of a lot more inteligent and successful than Hoon.
Rabilay1 4 months ago
I can't stand this show, bunch of idiots and the audience are just monkey see monkey do.
MrDataCode 4 months ago
Kudos to Shami - which is what this video is about and not some argument between utbers..
Kaldhore 4 months ago
Boxingfan`s naivety shows. You don`t "rig" a person`s view. The person speaks and that is an OPINION, a cornerstone of DEMOCRACY. That is why morons with beards are allowed to shout about blowing up British streets, on the streets. Rigging is the twisting of opinion and fact, where democracy is perverted. Obvious, but went over your head. The BBC has duty to be impartial, for all our sakes. If you have warped Liberty views, or warped NF views. But self-styled "Auntie" still has its duty. Pity.
transonicbuoy1 5 months ago
@transonicbuoy1 No what has gone over your head is the fact that you've been rumbled as obviously operating 2 ghost accounts via which you "like" all the lazy, ill concieved rubbish you post. I agree that often the question time audience is composed of numbskulls, but that doesn't take anything away from this woman is saying, that the previous government actively pursued and endorsed torture a totally flawed means of information retrieval in terms of it's practicality as well as its morality
boxingfan101 5 months ago
Does anyone know what Geoff Hoon's answer was?
BRaffertyable 5 months ago
@BRaffertyable Does anyone care?
boxingfan101 5 months ago
@boxingfan101
:-D I do, a bit. It's annoying only hearing one side of a debate; like when people post episodes of QT with Nigel Farage or Douglas Murray and edit out everything anyone else says.
BRaffertyable 5 months ago
THESE HUMAN RIGTHS FUCKS NEED TO BE TORTURED TO DEATH!!!!!
Treyb3yond 5 months ago
She rides on the mighty horse of self-righteousness. And she knows that the rigged teacher/PC luvvie audience is going to clap - rigged of course by the BBC, who have abused their monopoly and conned the British public. Watch her face as she makes the sweeping statements, and expects adulation. Anyone who endorses chavvy twats to roam UK streets, and attack for pleasure, must be stamped down. I wonder is she likes Germans, or Swedes. Probably not. Bigot.
transonicbuoy1 5 months ago
@transonicbuoy1 yeah I know, as if those stupid people don't approve of torture! What bigots! : 0
BozalliCopter 3 months ago
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transonicbuoy1 3 months ago
@BozalliCopter Well said pal.
transonicbuoy1 3 months ago
I fucking hate that rigged audience.
transonicbuoy1 5 months ago
@transonicbuoy1 Yeah about as rigged as all your comments which mysteriously all have two thumbs up a piece.
boxingfan101 5 months ago
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transonicbuoy1 5 months ago
@boxingfan101 You can have a rational view (most people) - decent people to go about their business in safety. Or you could take the irrational one (Chak), which protects chav scum, while the rest of us suffer. Your choice. But BBC duty to - especially as they hit the populace with an unfair tax - paint a balanced picture. And they don`t. The QT audiences and panels are indeed rigged. That is why irrational points made are rabidly clapped by the rigged audience. Viewer held with contempt.
transonicbuoy1 5 months ago
@transonicbuoy1 Second time lucky eh? Not speaking about "chav scum" though is she she's talking about torture which we could discuss the major flaws of but I don't think that is what your issue is. Your problem seems to stem from the fact that little on the BBC corresponds with your obviously blinkered view of the world, which you as a licence fee payer feel should be everywhere although as you are a resident of Japan I don't see how this 'unfair tax' affects you. cont.
boxingfan101 5 months ago
@transonicbuoy1 your idea of a rational view includes stamping down the PC twats who endorse chave street thuggery (which I haven't seen any of the 'luvvie' fraternity along with anyone of any relevance in the public eye actually do) reveals your Breivikesque nature. Maybe we should re-open Birkenau and shove them all in mate? One more thing don't be so pathetic as to come on to my channel insult me lecture me on freedom of speech whilst ensuring the comment mechanism on yours is disabled.
boxingfan101 5 months ago
She is a sanctimonius twat. As are the PC bigots who make, and rig, Question Time. Chakrabarti, like Jo Brand, is one of the BBC`s vicious PC heavyweights, battle tanks, crushing everything in their righteous path. Mobilized by the corrupt and crooked BBC. Open "Auntie" up to the free market, and there won`t be a platform for bigots like Chak to operate from.
transonicbuoy1 5 months ago
Why are there so many horrid messages on here?? She defends the defenseless. Some times they may be evil, but to have a decent society all deserve representation and I write as solicitor (all be not in criminal law). The work she has done has helped countless people without a voice, without help, and without hope. She is a real life heroine and if you can't see that then I honestly feel sad for you. I am proud that she is British.
AnnaSofieM 5 months ago
lol if you put a mustache on her she would look like hitler
nassah2010 5 months ago
Shami is a right pain in the arse. Always critical. Watching her makes me feel strangely patriotic.
ben4056 5 months ago
@QUENTIN2B2B BURN! KILL! REND FLESH! BREAK THEIR BACKS!
Human rights are universal, you don't get to just suspend them because somebody does something you don't like - if everyone ignored them because of attacks by others upon them, they wouldn't exist.
phocjame 5 months ago
Why did you cut out his reply?
Spadie1 6 months ago
Blair and Bush... war criminals... lets see the facts if your not!!
pokerrich9 6 months ago
No Shami, YOU'RE an embarrassment.
lee18580 6 months ago
The fuck is Will young doing there?
eamonn1983 6 months ago 3
torturing people that would cut your head off for being from Europe, America or for just not being muslim. Fuck them.
MrSplashcakes 7 months ago
obamas a cunt as well who allows torture
captainawesomo1 7 months ago 2
Very intelligent...very articulate..and very wrong!
When she is raped and murdered, perhaps she'll shut up about 'The Rights of Criminals'
googleisshittoss 7 months ago
@googleisshittoss When you're murdered, you shut up by default. Twat.
TheSkintProductions 3 months ago
@TheSkintProductions No!...Really?
googleisshittoss 3 months ago
Respect to her for speaking the truth.
kashifzs 7 months ago 2
I saw this bitch yesterday in Glasgow city centre, getting bummed off a magic tramp while she ate a dogshit.
How can 'she' expect to be taken seriously while taking part in such unspeakable acts?
Oh,how the mighty have fallen!
nizxbit 7 months ago
I cant stand this little cunt, if i ever met her id beat her to within a quarter millimetre of her life. She is so anti British it is a joke, she is one of the many foreign cunts that stay in this country that clearly do not belong here. She clearly despises Britains values so why the fuck does she stay here. Self righteous cunt!
supersquats 7 months ago
@supersquats So what do you class as British values? Beating a woman within a inch of her life, because she speaks out against torture? I don't know what kind of little Bnp village you live in, but i would hope that the rest of Britain nor the British people view these as British values. Also, so your view is that anyone with darker skin does not belong in Britain? shame on you.
Saxophonic 7 months ago 5
@supersquats - not in this video sir, she does not despise any "western" values here. Having said that, she might be a cunt for other reasons, but not for what she said there. BTW, you should thank me for using English so that you can understand. Fuck you. Have a nice day.
caviper1 7 months ago 17
@supersquats
Do you just automatically assume someone is against british values because they have an issue with the way the country functions?
All she said was the government knew their actions were illegal, and they covered them up. She may have been a bit strident, but at no point was she "anti-british".
She's also been a Home Office barrister, LSE graduate and current member of council, governor of BFI, CBE, University chancellor and a visiting fellow.
What have you done lately?
MrHowToDoIt 7 months ago 46
@supersquats The UK is a tiny squit of land on a planet. When there are no people left in the world, is it still Great Britain? A country with borders is an abstract idea. You're just another one of these EDL/BNP faggots who have no real idea on any political issues and just jump on the back of any hate-feulled bandwagon that gives a platform for people just as ignorant and stupid as you are to speak. I hope your genitals get mangled in some sort of accident so you can't pass on your genes. Cunt
TheSkintProductions 3 months ago 7
@TheSkintProductions You take the high ground as you are British. How come countries in the world like Syria, Libya, Sierra Leone and Mexico can have borders - basically anyone in the world - but the British? What makes the British so special? Are they too cool to have borders? Are other states not so cool? How come when I fly to my home at the other end of Russia, the ask to see my passport? What is wrong with that? Why is it that I officially cross their border? Do you have a passport yet?
transonicbuoy1 3 months ago
@transonicbuoy1 Well done for completely missing my point. I didn't say the UK hasn't got borders. I said a country, any country, with borders is an abstract idea. I never said anything about as A. being exempt or B. us being special.
TheSkintProductions 3 months ago
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transonicbuoy1 3 months ago
@TheSkintProductions "When there are no people left in the world, is it still Great Britain?" Yes. It's a geographical term. Although, if nobody was left to observe it, there would be nobody able to refer to it as "Great Britain".
"A country with borders is an abstract idea." Not really. Borders are a manifestation of the fact that people are inherently territorial and aggressive. They evolved, they were not an "idea". Tree-hugging ideals possibly prevail in some alternative universe. Not here.
herringfly 1 day ago
@TheSkintProductions If you're going to take the moral high ground stay away from using the word "faggot", just a handy tip
JimothyMcgee 7 hours ago
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I cant stand this little cunt, if i ever met her id beat her to within a quarter millimetre of her life. She is so anti British it is a joke, she is one of the many foreign cunts that stay in this country that clearly do not belong here.
supersquats 7 months ago
Shami Chakrabarti is a fraud. A total fraud.
kstand01 7 months ago
Another pretentious human rights warrior who loves looking all deep and emotional on TV.
Riiye 7 months ago
so much respect for shami chakrabarti
iloveken222 8 months ago
Shami Chakrabarti is an inspiration.
Peppertop 8 months ago 2
@ this is so true
redorocker 8 months ago
What an appalling self righteous creature this woman is!
Let's hear her berating the preachers of hate and condemning Shariah law for a change, or is it only the western governments and cultures that she is so fond of criticising!
Let's see her lecture Saudi Arabia or Iran on her precious "Liberty", I know how much liberty they would show her!
katesnake 8 months ago
@katesnake moron. if the "west" still are going to ride around on their great white horse proclaiming human rights, respect for the individual and so on, then this is extremely important.
you take the false and extremely stupid stance that everyone that doesnt talk about "this" and "that" at the current moment, has to be for that ideology. You have been formed to be an ignorant idiot who doesnt care about the cause, just to bash others.
your a disgrace and pathetic.
m0kkaleiavbrukernavn 8 months ago
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TheSkintProductions 3 months ago
@katesnake
Shami is an absolute bloody Legend.
she has the balls to say what few others say on bbc1 at a primetime moment, during these current times.
for that she deserves respect.
Hexachloraphine 8 months ago
@Hexachloraphine I disagree unfortunately. She is a favourite of the left minded liberals at the BBC, who is given airtime because she fits the politically correct profile perfectly. From what I have seen, she criticises Britain at every opportunity and seems to hold the country to a ridiculously high standard on issues such as human rights. As other posters have pointed out, she never seems to mention the standards of other countries on such issues.
tomd2103 7 months ago
Sham Chakrabarti is a total fruad. She should be put in prison for being a two-faced hypocrite.
kstand01 8 months ago
@kstand01 If being a two-faced hypocrite was a crime, Prime Minister's Question Time would be broadcast from Strangeways.
wesmatron 7 months ago
I bet she is so pissed off now osama is dead.
NottinghamForest22 8 months ago
Its amazing that chatting shit can make you so rich.
Blunder1248 8 months ago
anyone know what the answer proceeding this was?
nimajneb2005 9 months ago
she looks like Mowgli from the Jungle Book.
NottinghamForest22 9 months ago
I'd love to fill a mosque full of Shami's family,friends and supporters and burn them all to death while i forced Harriet Hardperson to watch as i raped her with a long rusty chainsaw.
nizxbit 9 months ago
@nizxbit and that makes you better how?
Exeunt26 9 months ago
@Exeunt26 I didn't say i was better,but,now you mention it,yes of course i'm better.
nizxbit 9 months ago
@nizxbit - your comment made me sick. Next time you cross a road, don't bother looking.
DODODADATUMTEETAAA 9 months ago
@DODODADATUMTEETAAA I'm as horrified by 'her/him'? as you are by my comment,believe me.
nizxbit 9 months ago
@nizxbit .lol wtf?
laudrup90 7 months ago
What is wrong with torturing terror suspects? If the situation was reversed and god forbid a coalition solider was captured by Taliban fighters, or Al-Queda, do you think there would be a court of human rights protecting them? Hell no! That poor soldier would go through humiliation torture, videoing...like a parade, then more than likely executed! Yet in UK people think its wrong to even imprison for more than 28 days!
clodester 10 months ago
@clodester So you would refer to that soldier as 'poor' yet allow a SUSPECT to be tortured? Imagine yourself in a country were you are wrongly accused of a crime and imprisoned for 28 days. Would you still have the same lack of concern for human rights? (cont.).....
theendingnote 10 months ago
@theendingnote @theendingnote The thing you forget is in democratic nations, law enforcement don't just accuse random people. They arrest those SUSPECTED of terrorist activities. Which constitutes that person would of have to have been doing certain things (most prob non kosher) to get the attention of the anti terror squad. So its pretty easy NOT to be tortured....dont break the law. In non democratic nations, EVERYBODY is screwed as its not entirely free, so guilty or innocence doesn't matter
clodester 10 months ago
@clodester Oh, you mean like Jean Charles de Menezes?.....
theendingnote 10 months ago
@theendingnote Exactly! Granted it was a fuck up by the intellegent services, however how many of those cases have there been? Compared with how many innocent civilians have been murdered by acts of terror, or even by execution via decapitation on video!? 1 vs the many!
There must have been something which brought de Menezes to the attention of the police!
Whats the point in arguing? We have different opinions and we are going to stick to them.....grow up and move on
clodester 10 months ago
@clodester Yeah something did bring something to their attention. A mistake which caused an innocent man his life. Do you even know what you're talking about? Menezes was Brazilian. He hadnothing to do with any kind of terrorist act. If the police had reason to has pulled the trigger multiple times then don't you think it would have come to the surface,instead of a fumbled apology?
theendingnote 10 months ago
@theendingnote @theendingnote A mistake was made he is dead. I said Im in favor of torture, not shooting suspects on site!
I still think it's vaild to use physical & psychological torture on certain terror suspects. If it stops another 9/11, 7/7 Bali, Russian metro or Indian hotel siege.....see my point? the few going through hell to save hundreds if not thousands?
clodester 10 months ago
@clodester No, I don't see your point at all.
theendingnote 10 months ago
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yington 9 months ago
@clodester what if you get the wrong person? Evidence obtained by torture used to be ignored, because the victim would say anything to stop the pain, even if they were innocent. So there's no guarantee it'd stop an attack.
Exeunt26 9 months ago
@theendingnote Even Chakrabati approves of taking life to save life on 'The Wright Stuff' this week. check it out on YT or five website yourself!
clodester 10 months ago
@clodester And you're comparing two nations again which brings us back to square one. Tell someone to grow up and not to debate over something is a weak answer. I'm not arguing. I'm simply addressing issues that you have overlooked by using an 'eye for an eye' mentality. The English military have killed military have murdered many innocent people too. Just because Sky news isn't airing it, doesn't mean it's not happening.
theendingnote 10 months ago
@clodester .....To compare a legal system in a foreign nation is just as ridiculous as saying that is acceptable in the first place. You place the UK on a pedestal of having a better standard of human rights and yet when the time comes to demonstrate it, you would rather it not? Your logic disqualifies any argument you try to make.
theendingnote 10 months ago
@theendingnote The thing you forget that in democratic nations, the law enforcement don't just accuse random people. They arrest those SUSPECTED of terrorist activities. Which constitutes that person would of have to have been doing certain things (most prob non kosher) to get the attention of the anti terror squad. So its pretty easy NOT to be tortured....dont break the law. In non democratic nations, EVERYBODY is screwed as its not entirely free, so guilty or innocence doesn't matter.
clodester 10 months ago
@theendingnote fuck no i don't like the uk at all. I hate the country, it just happens to be where i live and whose laws i am bound by! second I compared it to another nation because you did! "Imagine yourself in a country where you were accused of a crime"....So I did. I imagined both democratic and non democratic scenarios.....!
clodester 10 months ago
@clodester "I compared it to another nation because you did!" How? Your comment was before mine.
theendingnote 10 months ago
@clodester Guantanamo Bay detainees are frequently subjected to physical, sexual and mental humiliation by America soldiers. 80% of Guantanamo Bay detaines are innocent. You are a fucking idiot, because the key word you used there was "SUSPECT", we also have a constitutional right "innocent until proven guilty" and if you torture a person enough they will admit to ANYTHING. It's fucking torture, isn't it?
TheSkintProductions 3 months ago
@TheSkintProductions Yeah AMERICAN CITIZENS do have constitutions rights. Which is why GETMO isnt on US Soil, then US constitutions don't apply. The people in jump suits are subjected to conditions and treatment which are deemed illegal, and still happens. They are also under military law....so again same rights dont apply and lastly since 9/11 + 7/7 govs developed laws of questioning and arresting without trial or conviction specifically for those they suspect on terror charges!
clodester 3 months ago
@TheSkintProductions I dont make the rules I just support them! If you disagree with the laws UK & US gov have created, the broken promise Obama made to close GETMO....then take that up with them......not randomly spout your views about how u had peoples' views which dont fall into line with yours!
clodester 3 months ago
@clodester Well said my friend. Skintproductions is one of the new uber-fascists - basically those who use expletives to offend and bring down fair comment by others. To block democracy. Just like Hitler did in the 1930s.
transonicbuoy1 3 months ago
if there was a slight suspicion that someone was witholding info about an attack on this country, i`d torture the shit out of them. no problem. fuck chakrabarti, the hippy cunt.
SpunkDustbin 10 months ago
I can't stand this hippy. Boo hoo, I'm emotional about torture, glad you don't run the country we'd be in serious trouble. She'd be crying everytime she had to make a tough decision. It's good to show compassion, but don't be a pussy about it....
HansLiizberg 11 months ago
she needs to grow her hair
persianprince84 11 months ago
@persianprince84 I thought it was a boy
LowleyUK 11 months ago
@esotericist Unfortunately, governments are NOT doing anything to fight these SAVAGES that you talk about.
TejasM14 11 months ago
GO SHAMI GO SHAMI GO SHAMI GO SHAMI.
britturk123 1 year ago
I love shami she is so small but has the heart of a lion.All countrys that have national aims are usually bullshiting .
britturk123 1 year ago
this woman and Barack Obama are the two reasons I want to become a lawyer.
Go Shami!
GOLDSHINE2 1 year ago 2
@GOLDSHINE2 OBAMA? Why him he is part of the problem.
coralreefuk 1 year ago
@hexcane LOOOOOLLLL IGNORANCE
trisharocks1993 1 year ago
I'm emotional about getting blown to pieces by Muslim savages.
esotericist 1 year ago
@esotericist . You better look under the bed and make sure the boogey man is not hiding there.
Uncle99B 1 year ago
ah, good old Shabby Chakrabarti...the director, CEO, president, and indeed only member, of "Liberty"
TheZanipolo 1 year ago
lol the thing is that uh, Bush is NOT embarrased about it, in fact he even put it in his autobiography... Bush admitting torture, and putting it in print, seems to show he is more boastful than "embarrased" about the subject.
deceiver123m 1 year ago
I think it would be ridiculous for someone to really believe that torture is not used in western democracies; and used rampantly. The usa does it, israel does it, and russia does it... are the brits really that nice that they dont torture.
deceiver123m 1 year ago
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Who are you? I did not vote for you Shami so fuck off !
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BingfieldHeights 1 year ago
'emotional' is such a classic, lame word for a small-minded man to use against a woman when he can't argue with the facts of what she's saying.
BingfieldHeights 1 year ago 44
@BingfieldHeights
lmao i thought it was the other way around.
Candyshooter 1 year ago
@BingfieldHeights I think "emotional" is a perfect description of her behaviour. It's extraordinary that she is a qualified lawyer but doesn't respect the fact that our laws are based on evidence, not emotion. We can all get emotional but it takes a bit of intelligence and maturity to argue a case as an adult.
nigshakespeare 1 year ago
@nigshakespeare if it was a man making the same speech, with the same heightened emotion, he wouldn't be called emotional, he would be called passionate
hilby 11 months ago
@hilby Nonsense. It's nothing to do with gender.
nigshakespeare 11 months ago
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BingfieldHeights 11 months ago
This bitch would call snow racist.
nizxbit 1 year ago
@nizxbit
Wouldn't it be better to disagree with her without using a word like that? Be a bit chivalrous perhaps?
borjon23 1 year ago
shami is a horrible little bastard.
seanie002 1 year ago
A secular democracy isn't without transparency.
intermender 1 year ago
@intermender Britain isn't secular. The Church of England is the official church remember.
Redcarpet01 1 year ago 8
@Redcarpet01 I know, i was making an aspirational statement.
intermender 1 year ago
@Redcarpet01 And English is the national language but we don't all speak it as our first language. We have a royal family but that doesn't mean we're all monarchists. We are secular as the overwhelming majority of us do not subscribe to any organised religion.
nigshakespeare 1 year ago
@nigshakespeare The UK might be culturally secular, but that doesn't make Britain secular. The Church of England would need to be terminated as the state church for that to happen.
Redcarpet01 1 year ago
@Redcarpet01 No. That is just a constitutional issue, not a cultural one. The people and its shared values define our culture and our shared values do not rest with Christianity or any other organised religion. Therefore, we are secular.
nigshakespeare 1 year ago
@nigshakespeare False. The UK has Christianity as the official faith. Protestantism, under the Church of England and monarch as the head of it.
Redcarpet01 1 year ago
@Redcarpet01 But "Protestantism", "Church of England" and "monarchy" are institutions, not culture. There's more people in attendance at football matches in the UK than at church. Just 15% of the population attend church at least once a month. You cannot claim culture is representative of the 85% of the population that either attend church occasionally or have no interest in it atall. Apathy, disinterest, non-attendance represents rejection, not culture no matter whether it is "official" or not.
nigshakespeare 1 year ago
@nigshakespeare Practices are irrelevant. Protestant Christianity is the official faith of the UK, therefore we aren't secular.
Redcarpet01 1 year ago
@Redcarpet01 What an idiotic comment. You are obviously just a dogmatic Christian. Practices are not irrelevant atall. They are at the very core of what our cultural values are and define them. By your obtuse logic there'd be one last, sole Christian in this country and 60 million atheists but just because it's the "official faith" you'd still be playing King Canute pretending we are still not secular. Good luck with your own unique brand of deluded ignorance.
nigshakespeare 1 year ago
@nigshakespeare No, an atheist. Claiming that because church attendance is low, etc, doesn't change the fact Christianity is still the official faith of the state. All British monarchs must take a coronation oath, that includes protecting the official faith. Obviously that'd need to change for the UK to become secular.
Redcarpet01 1 year ago
@Redcarpet01 You are completely incapable of distinguishing between the constitution and culture. We are a secular society because of what we believe and don't believe, what we do, how we behave, our attitudes and values. That is the definition of culture. We could have a monarch who is the Defender of the Faith of there being a Man on the Moon but that doesn't mean that we believe there's a man in the moon or that that is a feature of our culture.
nigshakespeare 1 year ago
@nigshakespeare Secularism has nothing to do with culture. It simply means there is no official faith. Well Britain HAS one, therefore it's not secular.
Redcarpet01 1 year ago
@Redcarpet01 There's nothing "official" about secularism atall. I'm secular and there's nothing "official" about that. By your silly logic there could be one man left believing in Christianity and 60 million of us who don't but just because of intitutions that have not adpated to represent the people you would still classify us as a Christian country!
nigshakespeare 1 year ago
@nigshakespeare Got nothing to do with personal beliefs. Britain has an official faith, therefore it is not a secular state.
Redcarpet01 1 year ago
@Redcarpet01 Of course it does. Good grief, are you a facist too? What defines a country and its culture is its people and their values. Google UK + secular, read the BBC articles on it, read the census. The UK is a secular nation by the fact of the majority non-belief of its citizens. You are simply incapable of distinguishing between the state and its citizens. It has an established church but in the real world 85% have no interest in going every month!
nigshakespeare 1 year ago