How hot does it get ? What is the microwatts per second count during the "burning" ? How do you set it off ? What do you get after burning for 60 years ? When is a prototype come online ?
@JessicaAshtonsNews wrong! There is no coolant for steam inside, so no hydriding of the cladding, no steam explosion. It is a hard neutron spectrum to fission the remaining Pu239, U235 etc, and the neutron flux also transmutes the remaining actinides to lower energy isotopes.
@freelistic Guess what you have when Th232 captures a neutron...that's right, highly fissile U233. So you will still have a proliferation issue, but yes thorium is a valuable energy source that we should be using in parallel.
@RagingBubuli Because those technologies will not be able to fill the void, on a large scale, left by fossil fuels for many, many years. Nuclear is a bridge between fossil fuels (the past and, for now, the present) and Solar, wind, geothermal, etc etc (the future). The world needs lots of clean power NOW.
Terrapower: well on one hand it might be a solution, at least better than put it somewhere deep in large numbers like where it came from, but it brings us no further. Thats becauce you need customers who develop on the other hand once more a DEPENDENCE ON THAT..The question for me is how the system is setup in detail. Maybe like:Buy our brand new car fired by radiotrash,CO2 free;)
(Fallout3)
We truly live in crazy times where cars can run by water, and independent communities run by testatika
So if we want to have practical electric cars or robots servants that don't require to plug into wall sockets every few hours, this is one way we could conceivably power them. So the technology in the film, "I Robot" is all reasonably possible, except for power supply. A robot like that, it would need huge batteries and to recharge them often. If this can be turned into a practical power source, such devices might become possible.
Yes, the waste from our current nuclear power plants would become the fuel for this type of reactor. All that stuff they wanted to bury under a mountain for 100,000 years is suddenly useful if you start using this type of technology.
It's not at all like a battery though. Not sure what you meant there. This would be a full-size power plant like any other. That "pellet" shaped thing in the video is the core.
ANSWERS R AWESOME... we need more. Oh yeh, people have to actually take initiative. It's like YAY!... ahhh %@#&. WE NEED MORE PEOPLE TO PUSH THINGS LIKE THIS INTO ACTION. Yes... that's more like it.
This is so funny. They DID NOT develop this technology, it was invented in the 1950's. This idea has been around for a long time. It has just seen renewed interest in the last couple of years. Yes when you fission U238 you get Pu239. This is a modified version of a SODIUM not molten salt as I heard someone say cooled fast reactor. We dont like to make Pu239 here in the states, thus this will be sold over seas. Licensing alone will take many years.
The main innovation here is simplicity of design. Their design allows you to fuel a power plant only one time during its lifetime, instead of needing to re-fuel every year like current nuclear plants.
They did not DEVELOP the idea of breeding uranium, but as far as I've seen, this is one of the most elegant and simple solutions for how to do so.
@yushis1 I do agree with the simplicity of design. Its beautiful and I cheer on innovations like this. I think your missing the issue. You dont breed URANIUM. You breed Plutonium from Uranium. We dont implement fast reactors in the U.S. strictly because of this proliferation issue. The Integral Fast Reactor program was shut down in 1994 because of this. This design will not fly here in the states.
@shidiezel Regarding the first point, you're right, I worded that poorly. I meant breeding plutonium from uranium. Regarding the second point, about proliferation and legality, I would just say that is ≠ ought. Just because it's forbidden right now doesn't mean anything. If this is looking to be successful, the US will wipe out those laws quicker than you can blink. Not doing so would be a huge competitive disadvantage both economically and technologically.
@yushis1 It wasn't poorly worded it was wrong. Your still missing the issue here. Proliferation is the issue and it DOES mean something, it means everything. Why was the multibillion dollar integral fast reactor program shutdown? You got it... proliferation. Your idea of legislation changing so quickly is an illusion. Everything in the nuclear world takes twice as long as anything else. The nuclear game is different than any game out there.
10 000 000 000 (10 billion people) х50 000 conventional units (half the cost of a standard 60 m flat) = 500 000 000 000 000 (500 trillion units) for crediting of habitation in turn,on the measure of distribution of identifiers. Always construction.
As for oil companies. If they are smart they realize that Oil is running out. That is why they are buying up companies like Solar Cells (BP for example). They will likely be the ones with the money to move to the next generation of Nuclear Power. Also will likely use Nuclear Power to create Hydrogen from water to power the cars of the future when the oil is gone.
If the Chinese or Koreans collaborating with Canadians manage to adapt the Candu to re-burn 'spent fuel', then they would probably go that route I would think since they could then simply build a proven technology reactor next to each existing one not Candu. Should happen much faster than waiting for this to proof test.
The current problem with spent nuke fuel is it has many large fissile atoms that have long half life. Thus they stay radioactive for a long time. The new designs like this one. Keep the "spent fuel" in the reactor for much longer periods of time, say 30-60 years instead of 1-2. Thus they have more time to "burn" and when they burn the byproducts have much lower lifespans.
This MOX type process also allows using other fuels (not just Uranium/Plutonium) but fuels like Th which is much more abundant and cheaper. Thus cheaper fuels, less work, less irradiating employees, and less waste byproduct that needs to be buried in a salt mine. New reactor designs are much farther along than the predominant designs from the 1950ies.
Oil and gas companies will stomp this innovation to oblivion. This device will compete with their profits, and they will not let that happen. Sad but true.
That isnt true cumikasvo. If we do not start bringing next-gen breeder reactors online, then the lack of energy supply growth will inhibit economic growth, resulting in demand destruction. LOWER energy prices will result from the reduced demand. That is what happened in late 2008. Oil supplies have been on a 5 year plateau, with no help coming. We need economic growth in order to drive up energy prices. In order to have growth, we have to have more nukes to make up for stagnant oil production.
Yes, you are mostly right about what you said, but rest assured the oil companies will do whatever it takes to gain maximum profit from their business as long as there is a single drop of oil obtainable from earth's crust. Sometimes this means decelerating development of rival technologies.
Hey, I'm not criticising them on the basis they will get wealthy. I'm very much a free markets person who is happy to see people and corporations who make valuable products and services get remunerated for it.
If they drop billions of dollars into developing the technology and then put all their tech and research into the public domain then they'll be a charity, but I doubt that's what they have in mind.
I thought the same thing, but I was doing a little more research on it, and it seems like they will be using molten salt for the heat transfer. I imagine a reactor core, where several hundred of these 60 cm long tubes will be housed and the molten salt will circulate around them and then travel on to a heat exchanger that will create the steam that will then turn the turbines.
How hot does it get ? What is the microwatts per second count during the "burning" ? How do you set it off ? What do you get after burning for 60 years ? When is a prototype come online ?
vkorchnoifan 1 month ago
That has to be a fkng superior reactor (running for 60yrs)!
SladkaPritomnost 1 month ago
OK, 40-60yrs of working... that's amazing!
But how do they want to maintenance the reactor without no breaks?
I can not believe the reactor can run for 60yrs actuality nothing can run with no problem for such a long time...
SladkaPritomnost 1 month ago
That cylinder full of depleted uranium can leak or over heat and explode like the Fukushima reactors
JessicaAshtonsNews 2 months ago
@JessicaAshtonsNews wrong! There is no coolant for steam inside, so no hydriding of the cladding, no steam explosion. It is a hard neutron spectrum to fission the remaining Pu239, U235 etc, and the neutron flux also transmutes the remaining actinides to lower energy isotopes.
GojiPug 2 months ago
Thorium reactors much?
freelistic 2 months ago
@freelistic Guess what you have when Th232 captures a neutron...that's right, highly fissile U233. So you will still have a proliferation issue, but yes thorium is a valuable energy source that we should be using in parallel.
GojiPug 2 months ago
Why not just develop efficient energy storage for Wind Turbine & Solar panels?
RagingBubuli 11 months ago
@RagingBubuli Because those technologies will not be able to fill the void, on a large scale, left by fossil fuels for many, many years. Nuclear is a bridge between fossil fuels (the past and, for now, the present) and Solar, wind, geothermal, etc etc (the future). The world needs lots of clean power NOW.
Pernell96728 9 months ago
Terrapower: well on one hand it might be a solution, at least better than put it somewhere deep in large numbers like where it came from, but it brings us no further. Thats becauce you need customers who develop on the other hand once more a DEPENDENCE ON THAT..The question for me is how the system is setup in detail. Maybe like:Buy our brand new car fired by radiotrash,CO2 free;)
(Fallout3)
We truly live in crazy times where cars can run by water, and independent communities run by testatika
drMaddin87 1 year ago
So if we want to have practical electric cars or robots servants that don't require to plug into wall sockets every few hours, this is one way we could conceivably power them. So the technology in the film, "I Robot" is all reasonably possible, except for power supply. A robot like that, it would need huge batteries and to recharge them often. If this can be turned into a practical power source, such devices might become possible.
bukster1 1 year ago
@bukster1
Current battery technology is pretty piss-poor, which is the main reason other technologies, mainly solar and wind, are unfeasible at the moment.
hal970fx 11 months ago
are they describing re-using Nuclear waste? And Is this design a Battery?
ukyby 1 year ago
@ukyby
Yes, the waste from our current nuclear power plants would become the fuel for this type of reactor. All that stuff they wanted to bury under a mountain for 100,000 years is suddenly useful if you start using this type of technology.
It's not at all like a battery though. Not sure what you meant there. This would be a full-size power plant like any other. That "pellet" shaped thing in the video is the core.
yushis1 1 year ago
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beatnikcafe 1 year ago
more info please!
yakyakyak69 1 year ago 8
@yakyakyak69 Check out the website - terrapower(dot)com
IntellectualVentures 1 year ago
ANSWERS R AWESOME... we need more. Oh yeh, people have to actually take initiative. It's like YAY!... ahhh %@#&. WE NEED MORE PEOPLE TO PUSH THINGS LIKE THIS INTO ACTION. Yes... that's more like it.
joncl1 1 year ago
This is so funny. They DID NOT develop this technology, it was invented in the 1950's. This idea has been around for a long time. It has just seen renewed interest in the last couple of years. Yes when you fission U238 you get Pu239. This is a modified version of a SODIUM not molten salt as I heard someone say cooled fast reactor. We dont like to make Pu239 here in the states, thus this will be sold over seas. Licensing alone will take many years.
shidiezel 1 year ago 4
@shidiezel
The main innovation here is simplicity of design. Their design allows you to fuel a power plant only one time during its lifetime, instead of needing to re-fuel every year like current nuclear plants.
They did not DEVELOP the idea of breeding uranium, but as far as I've seen, this is one of the most elegant and simple solutions for how to do so.
yushis1 1 year ago
@yushis1 I do agree with the simplicity of design. Its beautiful and I cheer on innovations like this. I think your missing the issue. You dont breed URANIUM. You breed Plutonium from Uranium. We dont implement fast reactors in the U.S. strictly because of this proliferation issue. The Integral Fast Reactor program was shut down in 1994 because of this. This design will not fly here in the states.
shidiezel 1 year ago
@shidiezel Regarding the first point, you're right, I worded that poorly. I meant breeding plutonium from uranium. Regarding the second point, about proliferation and legality, I would just say that is ≠ ought. Just because it's forbidden right now doesn't mean anything. If this is looking to be successful, the US will wipe out those laws quicker than you can blink. Not doing so would be a huge competitive disadvantage both economically and technologically.
yushis1 1 year ago
@yushis1 It wasn't poorly worded it was wrong. Your still missing the issue here. Proliferation is the issue and it DOES mean something, it means everything. Why was the multibillion dollar integral fast reactor program shutdown? You got it... proliferation. Your idea of legislation changing so quickly is an illusion. Everything in the nuclear world takes twice as long as anything else. The nuclear game is different than any game out there.
shidiezel 1 year ago
Someone with bags of cash needs to build a prototype reactor using this.
Aslapacrosstheface 1 year ago
@Aslapacrosstheface If only they had someone like Bill Gates to back them.
KirtaPMcG 1 year ago
Standard high-rise house.(Military type.Civil).
10 000 000 000 (10 billion people) х50 000 conventional units (half the cost of a standard 60 m flat) = 500 000 000 000 000 (500 trillion units) for crediting of habitation in turn,on the measure of distribution of identifiers. Always construction.
000vortex 1 year ago
As for oil companies. If they are smart they realize that Oil is running out. That is why they are buying up companies like Solar Cells (BP for example). They will likely be the ones with the money to move to the next generation of Nuclear Power. Also will likely use Nuclear Power to create Hydrogen from water to power the cars of the future when the oil is gone.
SpamRobPrell 1 year ago
Oil companies... hmmm... I wonder how many break through inventions they've destroyed to date, along with the inventors they've assassinated
eujeeves 1 year ago
wow...
futureprogress 1 year ago
If the Chinese or Koreans collaborating with Canadians manage to adapt the Candu to re-burn 'spent fuel', then they would probably go that route I would think since they could then simply build a proven technology reactor next to each existing one not Candu. Should happen much faster than waiting for this to proof test.
MrHighmax 1 year ago
What is the remaining fuel leftover of such a reactor. Plutonium?
NedFlanders1976 1 year ago 2
@NedFlanders1976
The current problem with spent nuke fuel is it has many large fissile atoms that have long half life. Thus they stay radioactive for a long time. The new designs like this one. Keep the "spent fuel" in the reactor for much longer periods of time, say 30-60 years instead of 1-2. Thus they have more time to "burn" and when they burn the byproducts have much lower lifespans.
SpamRobPrell 1 year ago
@NedFlanders1976
This MOX type process also allows using other fuels (not just Uranium/Plutonium) but fuels like Th which is much more abundant and cheaper. Thus cheaper fuels, less work, less irradiating employees, and less waste byproduct that needs to be buried in a salt mine. New reactor designs are much farther along than the predominant designs from the 1950ies.
SpamRobPrell 1 year ago
Oil and gas companies will stomp this innovation to oblivion. This device will compete with their profits, and they will not let that happen. Sad but true.
cumikasvo 1 year ago
That isnt true cumikasvo. If we do not start bringing next-gen breeder reactors online, then the lack of energy supply growth will inhibit economic growth, resulting in demand destruction. LOWER energy prices will result from the reduced demand. That is what happened in late 2008. Oil supplies have been on a 5 year plateau, with no help coming. We need economic growth in order to drive up energy prices. In order to have growth, we have to have more nukes to make up for stagnant oil production.
Iconoclast421 1 year ago
@Iconoclast421
Yes, you are mostly right about what you said, but rest assured the oil companies will do whatever it takes to gain maximum profit from their business as long as there is a single drop of oil obtainable from earth's crust. Sometimes this means decelerating development of rival technologies.
cumikasvo 1 year ago
Hey, I'm not criticising them on the basis they will get wealthy. I'm very much a free markets person who is happy to see people and corporations who make valuable products and services get remunerated for it.
If they drop billions of dollars into developing the technology and then put all their tech and research into the public domain then they'll be a charity, but I doubt that's what they have in mind.
Get rich and save the world = capitalism FTW.
TravisMorien 2 years ago
And they'll probably appreciate the trillion dollar patent revenues just as much... :P
TravisMorien 2 years ago
60cm? From BG's description I'd envisioned something as big as a bus. I guess not.
TravisMorien 2 years ago
I thought the same thing, but I was doing a little more research on it, and it seems like they will be using molten salt for the heat transfer. I imagine a reactor core, where several hundred of these 60 cm long tubes will be housed and the molten salt will circulate around them and then travel on to a heat exchanger that will create the steam that will then turn the turbines.
ball7272 2 years ago
awesome concept
refink33 2 years ago