Someone tell me WTF is going on. I think Kyle is an attractive man (I would date him) but this chick Melissa is ugly as hell. What am I missing here??????????
Obviously he wants sex! Any man what looks for is sex, but why do society decides to make that bad? That is just part of their nature! Women give sex for love and men give love for sex is natural, but why the hell we make that bad!! Oh right... the Disney prince, well guess what, they do not exist, is like saying women were born to get married and have a familly and that's it, totally ridiculous right?
I think all of the haters here have not had much experience with relationships. Talk to any reasonable woman and she will admit that financial stability is important in a relationship. Women want to date men who can even go beyond providing a subsistence and can spoil them. To each his/her own. If a woman likes a man who showers her with gifts, more power to both of them. Let's not be so quick to judge.
Why does this tool buy shit for that oldie? Why would he show his face? Listen dude, ALL girls want your dough. Find one that wants your meat....just as easy.
Freeze 5:01 to see this broads botoxed/fillered forehead. Why do docs forget to do the upper third of the forehead? Looks a little unnatural for a 35ish woman to have no wrinkles there, little creepy.
This may come as a surprise to some, but not to us. Us rich guys don't have to pay for womens shit! We all pay for our dates, rich and poor guys. Dinner etc. Thats where it ends. We only allow women to get close enough to "smell" our wealth.
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Most women are surprised to learn later in their "relationship" that their guy was a 60k a year poseur. Very common, as those dudes NEED to pay for vagina. LOL.
this dude is whipped to the max...wow, and the truth is most pretty girls in major cities that are lazy and think they're too pretty to work think the same way
ultr whipped that guy is and he act like a push over too, no manhood
They asked Donald Trump's wife "Would you be with Donald if he wasn't rich" and she said "Would Donald Trump be with me if I weren't beautiful?" You're all attacking these women because they dating only for a man's "assets" when in reality these men are only dating the women for their physical "assets." Shallow people attract other shallow people, they deserve each other.
These rich guys need to listen to some Tom Leykis clips.
Make these bitches -believe- that they will get access to your money, and then kick them to the curb once you've gotten sex out of them. If you're spending more than $40 on a date, then you're doing it wrong.
@SoniB I don't think he had the gift of money, I think he spent his life EARNING it and I think he has all the right to spend it as he wishes to, there are men who spend their life time to be rich or even millionaire, not all are born that way ;)
Homeboy Kyle is going about it all wrong. He's not a bad looking guy, but he's got no game whatsoever (e.g. "you are so gorgeous"). Instead of wasting that 10k on dressing up a prostitute, he should spend that money on: a. fitness trainer b. dating coach c. pick up artist classes. He can do much better for a lot less.
This "exchange" isn't all that honest if you think about it. She is being incredibly fake and overly supplicative with him because she has an ulterior motive.
OMG!!!!!!! This really is getting on my nerves!!!!!! These woman need their fathers to teach them how to have some self worth fro crying out loud. The guys need their mothers to show them that some ladies are not worth a nickel and she is one of them. That nose has got to start paying rent on her face.
I am sick to my stomach watching this crap. That girl is not worth a $10,000 date obviously. This is the exact reason why I date foreign woman. They at least have better looks, brains and style than these terrible money grabbing American hootchies. No class whatsoever!!!
In the end they both LOSE. The women will DECREASE in attractivness over time, while the MAN will increase in wealth over time.
The man will be switching to a new model as soon as the old one is bunk, and never find true happyness. While the woman will never find someone to trully love, as she will be dumped while her assets are low, and not be able to do it again.
@MissBlondeGirl10 As everything on life... just some are successful, just some find true love (some people feel alone and just get married to not fell like that), just some people are attractive. I find this actually a very good deal, a possibility to marry a millionaire, doesn't sound bad to me, and some women are really beautiful, with goals in life and a great personality, don't they deserve a great man to be with?
@OoSayuriioO No....I agree with you. I mean to each is own and as long as no one is getting hurt and expectations are stated upfront....I really see no harm in it.
Its EXACTLY like DATING in the normal world. Just up the quality of the women, then youll up the quality of the gifts ect. Money is POWER for men, and throughout history women have been attracted to power
I wouldnt support this! but i have been dating this jerkward who cheated on me and our relaionship ended and i gave him myself for free, trust me the thought of being payed for a waste of a relationship does seem to catch me!
This is basically what happen's on a daily basis with "regular" women especially american women. They pretty much want money and assets without working for them themselves. Let's face it women marry and go out with men rich or not for personal gain, and there own selfish benefits. Women don't want men for "romance" or "love" it's unfortunately all about the women these days. So some simple advise for men don't ever marry and bang chicks for sport and dump when your done.
Jesus. This type of activity takes place everyday in society without the use of a website, yet using a website somehow makes you a whore. My uncle's second marriage was to a woman roughly 15 years his junior, and they've been with each other for 12 years now. They have two children, a great house, and a great life, however, he makes a ton of money. Damn...
martin bashir is asking dumb questions. isn't any marriage prostitution? martin bashir is like the real life 40 year old virgin,"is it true that if you don't use it, you lose it?" bashir is calling people pimps! haha! i love it.
I encourage everyone to create a fake profile on Established Men, of either a superficial male model or your stereotypical stupid slut. The results are hilarious.
@raganriley They look good for each other? Are you fucking retarded? Established Men's "relationships" are among the most illegitimate I've ever seen, and are fueling stereotypes of Americans being shallow morons. Please stop commenting on Youtube and validating those stereotypes.
Society is going downhill fast. These people spends so much money on "white women" who are celebrated as trophy on name brand companies who used slave labor in Asia to make big profits who goes on to market white women as pinnacle of beauty. Really messed up cycle there.
If you have to blame one person in this 'relationship', blame this spineless ignorant man. His wealth is only a temporary substitute for his lack of testicles.
I really feel sorry for these guys. The dude is so pathetic in his rationalization, he's the equivalent of an insecure girl who has sex w anyone bc they want to feel wanted and think sex is all they have to offer, this dude uses money in the same way.
ONly their 3rd date and he spends 10k WTF! What is this website promoting! And shes a so called out of work actress. Jezuz!!!! Shes going through that poor sap like toilet paper on a shitted ass!
If and attractive guy can pick up sexy women because of his looks isn't that worse than this? They were born with that facial structure and didn't have to do anything to get it.
At least the rich guys had to work hard throughout their lives to become successful in order to attain their appeal to the women.
Either way, the woman is looking for one or the other, why is it considered ok for one and not the other?
So true. That is exactly correct. But I can't blame some of these guys. There old ugly and rich. Might as well be happy, even if its paid for. Kinda sad really,
@robophreeq Yeah! and now imagine a middle class man that feels alone and dates (even marryes) a woman that is almost poor, just becouse they both feel alone and what to feel better with themselves. Isn't that worst or what?
what a bunch of whores. i hope the founder burns in hell. I love how people say that if gays are allowed to be married it will destroy the sanctity of marriage, but no one has anything thing to say about stuff like this that totally makes a mockery of what love is. I remember seeing the infomerical and i thought it was a joke, it makes me sick to think that people actually act this way.
@HurfDurfAlive What's the difference between these marrige, and arranged marrige?? Like an old guy that whats to marrige a beautiful girl (she don't wants to), and their parents agree to it, so just becouse momy and daddy said it's ok....it means it's ok??? I mean at least in the sugar baby-daddy marrige they will both be happy and free to decide! Plus marrige is not the most sacred thing on the planet these days...
@HurfDurfAlive Well you said "destroy the sanctity of marrige", meaning mabye all marriges are the most pure thing, or even marrige is the most pure thing, I don't believe so. Plus you said to "it makes a mockery of what love is". Well how do you know if in this kind of relationships they can't fell in love in a pure way, you know there are lots of sugar daddies who are young, handsome and really educated men, plus very lovely, I don't think it's a problem to fell in love with them
Even though she's obviously a huge bitch, the creator of this site has probably made a killing. It's disgusting that this site even exists, let alone that I'm able to see commercials for it.
Established men. It works because women are shallow and the men are possibly too ugly to be bothered to go out and meet chicks. I don't care. As long as they are both doing it, they both deserve it. S H A L L O W. I call it one thing. Douchebags.
10 grand after 3 dates, lol glorified hooker hahah, he wud be better off if he actually went out and tried to meet normal women who wouldnt expect him to spend 10 grand on them in 3 dates.
Wow lol. Just the most shallow, ridiculous thing I've ever seen. These women are sick, and these dude's are sad, regardless of how much money they have, both parties involved are shallow idiots. Let me guest, this wanker is a venture capitalist? Or maybe an investment banker?
You can tell just from the body language that Kyle is being taken for a ride. What a sucker.
A website established by a professional liar to proliferate the disingenuous panderings of gold diggers that will do anything for money. These men are mono-dimensional. They know how to make money and they run the rest of their lives like disasters. They deserve to have their money taken for them. Oh and BTW, by the time she's 40 he's gonna trade her in to two 20's, if it last that long.
Someone tell me WTF is going on. I think Kyle is an attractive man (I would date him) but this chick Melissa is ugly as hell. What am I missing here??????????
MissBlondeGirl10 1 month ago in playlist More videos from EstablishedMen 2
I'm sorry......is Melissa suppose to be attractive?????!!
MissBlondeGirl10 1 month ago in playlist More videos from EstablishedMen
Obviously he wants sex! Any man what looks for is sex, but why do society decides to make that bad? That is just part of their nature! Women give sex for love and men give love for sex is natural, but why the hell we make that bad!! Oh right... the Disney prince, well guess what, they do not exist, is like saying women were born to get married and have a familly and that's it, totally ridiculous right?
OoSayuriioO 1 month ago
how is it prostitution? you don't have to have sex when you have a sugardaddy unlike prostitution is ONLY SEX
pinklovejessi10 2 months ago in playlist More videos from EstablishedMen
I think all of the haters here have not had much experience with relationships. Talk to any reasonable woman and she will admit that financial stability is important in a relationship. Women want to date men who can even go beyond providing a subsistence and can spoil them. To each his/her own. If a woman likes a man who showers her with gifts, more power to both of them. Let's not be so quick to judge.
mightyoak11111 3 months ago
The owner of the website is a pimp, the guys are simps, lol
teddyd1973 3 months ago
A bunch of simps with too much money getting with whores..wow.
DeadSleepers 6 months ago
6:24 You mean you're not 50 NOW?
FreeBlago1 6 months ago
Why does this tool buy shit for that oldie? Why would he show his face? Listen dude, ALL girls want your dough. Find one that wants your meat....just as easy.
FreeBlago1 6 months ago
Freeze 5:01 to see this broads botoxed/fillered forehead. Why do docs forget to do the upper third of the forehead? Looks a little unnatural for a 35ish woman to have no wrinkles there, little creepy.
FreeBlago1 6 months ago
This may come as a surprise to some, but not to us. Us rich guys don't have to pay for womens shit! We all pay for our dates, rich and poor guys. Dinner etc. Thats where it ends. We only allow women to get close enough to "smell" our wealth.
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Most women are surprised to learn later in their "relationship" that their guy was a 60k a year poseur. Very common, as those dudes NEED to pay for vagina. LOL.
FreeBlago1 6 months ago
adf
FreeBlago1 6 months ago
this dude is whipped to the max...wow, and the truth is most pretty girls in major cities that are lazy and think they're too pretty to work think the same way
ultr whipped that guy is and he act like a push over too, no manhood
jayrperiod 7 months ago
@jayrperiod The thing is.....she isn't pretty!
MissBlondeGirl10 1 month ago
That muhtafucka is pussy-whipped.
hondacivic1992 7 months ago
10k on that disgusting old bitch? cmon 26 is already 30 shes ugly he's a nerd
305peruana 9 months ago
@305peruana I know.....i didn't get what he saw in her. Ewwww
MissBlondeGirl10 1 month ago
They asked Donald Trump's wife "Would you be with Donald if he wasn't rich" and she said "Would Donald Trump be with me if I weren't beautiful?" You're all attacking these women because they dating only for a man's "assets" when in reality these men are only dating the women for their physical "assets." Shallow people attract other shallow people, they deserve each other.
tarasredbox 9 months ago 6
These rich guys need to listen to some Tom Leykis clips.
Make these bitches -believe- that they will get access to your money, and then kick them to the curb once you've gotten sex out of them. If you're spending more than $40 on a date, then you're doing it wrong.
SoggyPizzaPockets1 10 months ago
this motehrf*****r spend 10000$ on this peice of trash.
Couldnt he have donated to childcare, japan earthquake....and for the poor in the country?
Dirty kinky person who got the gift of money but does not know how to use it in a CONSTUCTIVE way.
SoniB 10 months ago
@SoniB I don't think he had the gift of money, I think he spent his life EARNING it and I think he has all the right to spend it as he wishes to, there are men who spend their life time to be rich or even millionaire, not all are born that way ;)
OoSayuriioO 9 months ago in playlist Gold Digger
This chic is Red is trying to fool this Journalist.
She is PROMOTING PROSTITUTiON in my opinion. !00% openly.
SoniB 10 months ago
Homeboy Kyle is going about it all wrong. He's not a bad looking guy, but he's got no game whatsoever (e.g. "you are so gorgeous"). Instead of wasting that 10k on dressing up a prostitute, he should spend that money on: a. fitness trainer b. dating coach c. pick up artist classes. He can do much better for a lot less.
This "exchange" isn't all that honest if you think about it. She is being incredibly fake and overly supplicative with him because she has an ulterior motive.
joshspiker 10 months ago
@joshspiker I agree....he's not ugly at all but his sugar baby is.
MissBlondeGirl10 1 month ago
OMG!!!!!!! This really is getting on my nerves!!!!!! These woman need their fathers to teach them how to have some self worth fro crying out loud. The guys need their mothers to show them that some ladies are not worth a nickel and she is one of them. That nose has got to start paying rent on her face.
MrVeesworld 1 year ago
I am sick to my stomach watching this crap. That girl is not worth a $10,000 date obviously. This is the exact reason why I date foreign woman. They at least have better looks, brains and style than these terrible money grabbing American hootchies. No class whatsoever!!!
MrVeesworld 1 year ago
@MrVeesworld The girl is unattractive.
Knock yourself out dating foreign woman dumbs!
MissBlondeGirl10 1 month ago
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MinorHeinrich686 1 year ago
In the end they both LOSE. The women will DECREASE in attractivness over time, while the MAN will increase in wealth over time.
The man will be switching to a new model as soon as the old one is bunk, and never find true happyness. While the woman will never find someone to trully love, as she will be dumped while her assets are low, and not be able to do it again.
northernsupernova1 1 year ago
@northernsupernova1 Well some of these arrangements end up in marriges
OoSayuriioO 9 months ago in playlist Gold Digger
@OoSayuriioO Yeah....the key word is "some."
MissBlondeGirl10 1 month ago
@MissBlondeGirl10 As everything on life... just some are successful, just some find true love (some people feel alone and just get married to not fell like that), just some people are attractive. I find this actually a very good deal, a possibility to marry a millionaire, doesn't sound bad to me, and some women are really beautiful, with goals in life and a great personality, don't they deserve a great man to be with?
OoSayuriioO 3 weeks ago
@OoSayuriioO No....I agree with you. I mean to each is own and as long as no one is getting hurt and expectations are stated upfront....I really see no harm in it.
MissBlondeGirl10 3 weeks ago
Its EXACTLY like DATING in the normal world. Just up the quality of the women, then youll up the quality of the gifts ect. Money is POWER for men, and throughout history women have been attracted to power
northernsupernova1 1 year ago
I wouldnt support this! but i have been dating this jerkward who cheated on me and our relaionship ended and i gave him myself for free, trust me the thought of being payed for a waste of a relationship does seem to catch me!
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Jesus. This type of activity takes place everyday in society without the use of a website, yet using a website somehow makes you a whore. My uncle's second marriage was to a woman roughly 15 years his junior, and they've been with each other for 12 years now. They have two children, a great house, and a great life, however, he makes a ton of money. Damn...
rtgoodson 1 year ago
that girl Melissa is sooo ugly! I cant believe they paying for ugly slutts
305peruana 1 year ago
Your the CEO of a pimping website. Haha
lanceawatt 1 year ago
martin bashir is asking dumb questions. isn't any marriage prostitution? martin bashir is like the real life 40 year old virgin,"is it true that if you don't use it, you lose it?" bashir is calling people pimps! haha! i love it.
dant6779 1 year ago
I encourage everyone to create a fake profile on Established Men, of either a superficial male model or your stereotypical stupid slut. The results are hilarious.
bl0wmme 1 year ago
they look good for each other. Nothing wrong with a website helping people with similar qualitys find eachother.
raganriley 1 year ago
@raganriley They look good for each other? Are you fucking retarded? Established Men's "relationships" are among the most illegitimate I've ever seen, and are fueling stereotypes of Americans being shallow morons. Please stop commenting on Youtube and validating those stereotypes.
bl0wmme 1 year ago
omg prostitude slut!!!!!
PinkSkyBlue77 1 year ago 2
Society is going downhill fast. These people spends so much money on "white women" who are celebrated as trophy on name brand companies who used slave labor in Asia to make big profits who goes on to market white women as pinnacle of beauty. Really messed up cycle there.
victormusicify 1 year ago 3
@victormusicify dont be a racist
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victormusicify 1 year ago
i wish i was a woman, then i could just whore myself out to desperate geek-a-zoids for a huge amount of money.
HurfDurfAlive 1 year ago
If you have to blame one person in this 'relationship', blame this spineless ignorant man. His wealth is only a temporary substitute for his lack of testicles.
imnotbncre8ive 1 year ago
I really feel sorry for these guys. The dude is so pathetic in his rationalization, he's the equivalent of an insecure girl who has sex w anyone bc they want to feel wanted and think sex is all they have to offer, this dude uses money in the same way.
eyeswideopen86 1 year ago
Smart Woman. Why date a bum when you can date a wealthy man who will treat you like a princess.
Nofretari 1 year ago
@Nofretari because thats being a prosititute
theEBKman 1 year ago
@theEBKman No that's being smart.
Nofretari 1 year ago
Promoting sex and Money
jamil316 1 year ago
ONly their 3rd date and he spends 10k WTF! What is this website promoting! And shes a so called out of work actress. Jezuz!!!! Shes going through that poor sap like toilet paper on a shitted ass!
DullardGuy 1 year ago
@DullardGuy LOL I wonder has she giving him any putang yet?
WWAHP 1 year ago
Who's paying for the trip to Vegas? lololololololololololololololololollool..............that dude is weak
tommikani95 1 year ago
Instead of spending money on these golddigging hoes! Why not take classes on how to grow a pair of nutts? These guys are weak!
"Let me see the ring I bough you." Pathetic!
horta85 2 years ago
LOL biggest pile of crap... Hahaha
horta85 2 years ago
These people are the same as those responsible for the Mancrunch service.
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If and attractive guy can pick up sexy women because of his looks isn't that worse than this? They were born with that facial structure and didn't have to do anything to get it.
At least the rich guys had to work hard throughout their lives to become successful in order to attain their appeal to the women.
Either way, the woman is looking for one or the other, why is it considered ok for one and not the other?
cyphonephor1909 2 years ago
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cyphonephor1909 2 years ago
wow this is real lol i saw it late night thought it was fake
sillyegoose 2 years ago
"High-Class" prostitution. Nice. Desperate rich guys and gold-digging whores.
Shameful, and frankly disgusting.
robophreeq 2 years ago 13
So true. That is exactly correct. But I can't blame some of these guys. There old ugly and rich. Might as well be happy, even if its paid for. Kinda sad really,
eon001 2 years ago
@robophreeq Yeah! and now imagine a middle class man that feels alone and dates (even marryes) a woman that is almost poor, just becouse they both feel alone and what to feel better with themselves. Isn't that worst or what?
OoSayuriioO 3 weeks ago
what a bunch of whores. i hope the founder burns in hell. I love how people say that if gays are allowed to be married it will destroy the sanctity of marriage, but no one has anything thing to say about stuff like this that totally makes a mockery of what love is. I remember seeing the infomerical and i thought it was a joke, it makes me sick to think that people actually act this way.
HurfDurfAlive 2 years ago 10
@HurfDurfAlive What's the difference between these marrige, and arranged marrige?? Like an old guy that whats to marrige a beautiful girl (she don't wants to), and their parents agree to it, so just becouse momy and daddy said it's ok....it means it's ok??? I mean at least in the sugar baby-daddy marrige they will both be happy and free to decide! Plus marrige is not the most sacred thing on the planet these days...
OoSayuriioO 9 months ago
@OoSayuriioO When did I say arranged marriage was okay?
HurfDurfAlive 8 months ago
@HurfDurfAlive Well you said "destroy the sanctity of marrige", meaning mabye all marriges are the most pure thing, or even marrige is the most pure thing, I don't believe so. Plus you said to "it makes a mockery of what love is". Well how do you know if in this kind of relationships they can't fell in love in a pure way, you know there are lots of sugar daddies who are young, handsome and really educated men, plus very lovely, I don't think it's a problem to fell in love with them
OoSayuriioO 8 months ago
i like the fail at the end
valuablesales 2 years ago
You like Money and Sex.. we should totally hang out..
2:29 "Why not Starbucks"? Has anyone else seen the Movie Idiocracy?!?!
Yeah from a legal view they really should have Prepped this "dating couple" on what is prostitution.
CharAznable 2 years ago
That guy is a simp LOL. He has no game at all. 42 isnt even that old where you have no other options besides being a sugar daddy
futureBLESS 2 years ago
Damn Simone is a PIMP!!!!!!!!!!
lolhodeking 2 years ago
just seen the infomercial. had to see if this was real.Its really sad to see how shallow people have become :( makes me sick.
adeadlyn3rotoxin11 2 years ago
is that martin bashir ?!?!?! god i hate him
YourMyRomeo 2 years ago
"Kyle" is ridiculous.
Ennui83 2 years ago
END FAIL!
vmreyes 2 years ago
you are all prostitutes
mldk45 2 years ago 4
Even though she's obviously a huge bitch, the creator of this site has probably made a killing. It's disgusting that this site even exists, let alone that I'm able to see commercials for it.
hfasdj 2 years ago
lmao i thought it was a joke when i saw the infomercial for this
XxDavidxXPantera 2 years ago 4
@XxDavidxXPantera haha me too
HurfDurfAlive 1 year ago
Established men. It works because women are shallow and the men are possibly too ugly to be bothered to go out and meet chicks. I don't care. As long as they are both doing it, they both deserve it. S H A L L O W. I call it one thing. Douchebags.
tedly3000 2 years ago
10 grand after 3 dates, lol glorified hooker hahah, he wud be better off if he actually went out and tried to meet normal women who wouldnt expect him to spend 10 grand on them in 3 dates.
MEAbd 2 years ago
'lady in the streets' lol at least that woman has no illusions about what shes doing
jjws 2 years ago
Wow lol. Just the most shallow, ridiculous thing I've ever seen. These women are sick, and these dude's are sad, regardless of how much money they have, both parties involved are shallow idiots. Let me guest, this wanker is a venture capitalist? Or maybe an investment banker?
TheGoldenSun0986 2 years ago 5
Anal?
Cadmium77 2 years ago
fucken, they are soooo fake when they talked!!!!
btw, the girl melisa is ugly. she is not hot. if she is cute and pretty then at least it makes sense. (the lady in red is better looking)
xyndy89 2 years ago 4
You can tell just from the body language that Kyle is being taken for a ride. What a sucker.
A website established by a professional liar to proliferate the disingenuous panderings of gold diggers that will do anything for money. These men are mono-dimensional. They know how to make money and they run the rest of their lives like disasters. They deserve to have their money taken for them. Oh and BTW, by the time she's 40 he's gonna trade her in to two 20's, if it last that long.
BadgemanDFW 2 years ago 3
or if he doesnt kill himself by then
charkpunch2 2 years ago